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Commons Chamber

Volume 351: debated on Thursday 21 September 1939

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House Of Commons

Thursday, 21st September, 1939.

The House met at a Quarter before Three of the Clock, Mr. SPEAKER in the Chair.

Oral Answers To Questions

Sandbag Filling, Romford

1.

asked the Minister of Labour whether he is aware that all women employed at the Romford London and North Eastern Railway factory to fill sandbags are shut out from a day's work if they arrive one minute or more late; and whether, as such regulations are unreasonable in wartime conditions, he will approach the company on the matter?

I am making inquiries into this allegation and will communicate with the hon. Member.

Special Areas

2.

asked the Minister of Labour whether he can make a statement indicating what changes, if any, are contemplated in the work of the Commissioner for Special Areas during the emergency?

6.

asked the Minister of Labour whether he will make a statement regarding the policy of the Government in relation to the Special Areas?

It is not proposed for the present that the Commissioners for the Special Areas should enter into any new commitments save in very special circumstances. In general the schemes already initiated by the Commissioners, including the trading estates and the land settlement schemes, will be continued, but a number of items are being examined in the light of their particular circumstances, in order that a decision may be reached as to their continuance or otherwise.

Does that mean that in the future the work of the Special Areas Commissioner is to come to an end, and does that indicate that the Government now conclude that there is no war work to be done in the Special Areas?

No, Sir, if the hon. Member will read my answer he will find that he cannot draw that conclusion. He will understand that when we are dealing with commitments involving buildings and work of that kind we have to take other considerations into account now.

Are we to take it that this means an extension of the work of the Special Areas Commissioner in order to bring in other areas which are not at present classified?

Is the right hon. Gentleman aware that the commitments that have been made are not being carried out, that schemes that were being considered are now suspended altogether, and that, irrespective of party, there is apprehension in the Special Areas as to the position?

I am not aware of any grounds for that apprehension. I have already said in the House that schemes already initiated by the Commissioner, including the trading estates and land settlement schemes, will be continued.

Will the Minister see that there is no winding-up of these schemes, as it is certain that when these times are passed there will be very grave need for special consideration to be given to these areas?

Will the right hon. Gentleman see that in the matter of Government work preference is given to what are, in effect, infant industries in these Special Areas?

Is it the case that the Special Areas Commissioner for Scotland has rejoined his military unit, and are other arrangements being made for the carrying on of the work?

I would ask the hon. and learned Member to put that question to the Secretary of State for Scotland, who answers for Scotland in these matters.

Reserved Occupations (Token Badges)

7.

asked the Minister of Labour whether he will consider issuing a token badge to all persons in reserved occupations under the age of 41 who are retained for work on national essential services?

Education (Facilities)

9.

asked the Parliamentary Secretary to the Board of Education what arrangements are being made to provide for the continuation, as far as practicable, of facilities for adult education, and for technical and other education for juveniles in evacuation areas, neutral areas and reception areas?

On 16th September the Board authorised the opening in evacuation areas of technical schools, evening institutes and other institutions of further education—as was already permissible in neutral and reception areas—subject to certain conditions relating to the protection of students. This decision, which applies also to adult education classes, was taken in view of the Board's conviction of the national importance of these types of education. A communication is about to be issued to local education authorities impressing upon them the desirability of opening evening institutes wherever possible, and the special problems of the adult education service are receiving the Board's active consideration. It will be appreciated that most of the institutions concerned are in industrial centres, the majority of which are vulnerable areas, and it must inevitably take some time for authorities to arrange for the protection of students and for compliance with lighting regulations.

Is it the policy of the Government to encourage university extension work as far as possible during the war?

The policy of the Government is to keep all possible forms of adult education alive.

10.

asked the Parliamentary Secretary to the Board of Education whether he can make a statement indicating the arrangements made in regard to the education of children in areas to which the number of children evacuated are beyond the capacity of the existing schools?

Authorities are tackling this problem on the lines suggested in the Board's Circular 1474, namely by the hiring of other accommodation, by the use of a double-shift system and by the development of outside activities which aim at utilising the resources of the countryside as a means of education. In some cases a school has been, and others may be, moved to another area where educational conditions are easier.

In areas like that—my own being one of them—where the school population now far exceeds the school accommodation, will the Minister arrange with the other Departments that the local education authorities shall have priority over at least some of the Departments which are now claiming schools in those areas?

We are looking into that matter very carefully. I am aware that there is some competition. If the hon. Member will give me particulars of any case I shall be glad to do what I can.

11.

asked the Parliamentary Secretary to the Board of Education whether he is taking steps to make arrangements for the leisure-time occupation of evacuated children in the reception areas; and whether the help of women's institutes and other local organisations is being enlisted for this purpose?

This matter is dealt with in the Board's Circular 1474, of which I am sending a copy to the hon. Member. In that circular stress is laid on the importance of utilising existing social organisations. Valuable help is already being given by women's institutes and other voluntary bodies. In addition, the Board's officers are in touch with central offices of large organisations, which are in turn advising their local branches to offer help to the schools.

Has the hon. Member been in contact with the directors of education in the counties in regard to this matter so as to stimulate local reception committees?

From the beginning the directors of education have had this matter very closely in mind.

Will the Board be prepared to give financial help where it is necessary to get further accommodation for play centres and for occupations out of school hours?

A variety of arrangements is being made in the reception areas with the object of utilising every existing building, from a church hall to a cricket pavilion.

Is the hon. Gentleman aware that already a great deal is being done and that financial help is not needed?

(by Private Notice) asked the Parliamentary Secretary to the Board of Education whether he is aware of the difficulties in maintaining adequate facilities for the social and recreational welfare of young adolescents during wartime; and, in view of the urgency of the matter, whether he will take steps to promote and assist adequate facilities through statutory and voluntary agencies?

My Noble Friend is keenly alive to the importance of this matter. He has already taken steps, in consultation with other Departments, to examine the problem and he hopes at an early date to be able to announce what steps he proposes to take to deal with those problems as speedily and effectively as possible. In the meantime, he hopes that organisations concerned with the welfare of young people will use such efforts as they reasonably can to prevent their personnel being dispersed.

Will the hon. Gentleman make representations to the War Department that lads' clubs and other social clubs should not be commandeered by the military authorities?

The National Fitness Council has been disbanded, but some of the work is of such great national importance that it is hoped to build an organisation effectively to deal with it.

Can the hon. Gentleman say whether it is a fact that the National Fitness personnel has now been transferred to the Ministry of Information?

Civil Defence

Evacuation

12.

asked the Minister of Health whether he will arrange for a further opportunity in the near future to register for evacuation to be given to mothers with young children, expectant mothers, cripples and blind persons?

In a circular letter of 8th September, of which I am sending my hon. Friend a copy, I informed the local authorities that it was desirable that parents of school children resident in evacuating areas who did not take advantage of the Government scheme should be granted a further opportunity to register their children, in the event of any further movement being found possible. This further registration is limited to children of school age who would be evacuated without their parents, and it has now been carried out in most of the evacuation areas. The further evacuation of members of the priority groups other than unaccompanied school children will have to receive careful consideration in the light of experience.

Would my right hon. Friend be good enough to bear in mind that in the areas which have not priority there is very little time for publicity before the evacuation?

Can the Minister do something to assist the helpless young men and women in the various localities to get away?

Will the right hon. Gentleman see, before there is any further evacuation of expectant mothers, cripples and blind persons, that hostel arrangements are made in the reception areas?

Any evacuation of other priority groups than school children will have to receive very careful consideration.

18.

asked the Minister of Health whether, in view of the financial difficulties mothers with young children are experiencing owing to their having to provide food for themselves and their children at their own expense, he can inform the House how he proposes that these difficulties shall be met?

Mothers evacuated with young children whose husbands cannot supply them with sufficient money to provide for them and their children in the receiving areas should apply to the local office of the Ministry of Labour for an allowance under the Government scheme for the prevention and relief of distress.

Is the right hon. Gentleman aware that mothers who applied for this relief as wives of unemployed men were told that they must live within the allowance paid to their husbands and that he must send money to them; and that the husband who sends money in that way is unable to maintain the home?

I will consider the specific instances brought to my notice by the hon. Lady.

I am grateful to the right hon. Gentleman for promising to look into the matter, but I would point out that this is not a specific but a very general case, which is worrying many wives.

It is much easier to determine a matter of this kind upon specific instances.

Cannot the Unemployment Assistance Board give wives an amount over and above what the husbands get in their ordinary places of location?

The local office of the Ministry of Labour can ensure that the person in question is not in distress, and a final arrangement between the area in which the husband may be situated and that of the wife would have to be the subject of further consideration. It is for the local areas of the Ministry of Labour to see that the wife is not in distress.

Local Authorities (Finance And Rating)

21 and 30.

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department (1) whether, in view of the difficulties local authorities are experiencing in meeting the expenditure incurred under the Civil Defence Acts of 1937 and 1938 since the declaration of war, he will now consider making this expenditure for National Service a charge upon the State;

(2) whether, in view of the large amount of work undertaken by the local authorities under the Civil Defence Acts, 1937 and 1939, during the course of the present municipal financial year, which is much in excess of the estimated financial provisions made at the commencement of the rate period, and in view also of the fact that local authorities are bearing considerably increased financial burdens because of the war, whilst their income to meet normal duties will be seriously reduced as a consequence of the evacuation of the population and of business firms to other areas, he will consider whether some immediate form of relief can be given to such local authorities by way of financial assistance?

:would refer the hon. Member to the reply given yesterday to the hon. Member for the Stoke Division of Stoke-on-Trent (Mr. E. Smith). As stated in that reply, I am in consultation with local authorities on the general question of financing Civil Defence expenditure in war.

Is the right hon. Gentleman aware that the borough council of Southwark has spent in one week the equivalent of a 2d. rate in this direction, and will he expedite his inquiries?

It is not a question of making inquiries. A comprehensive memorandum was prepared some time ago and is now in the hands of the association of local authorities. I am ready at any moment to consider any representations they may make.

Is not one way of reducing the expenditure of local authorities, and that of the nation as well, to control drastically the present demands on local authorities for A.R.P. work in safe areas?

That is a different question altogether. The organisation of Civil Defence has been very carefully adjusted to take account of differences between one area and another. I venture to utter just a word of warning in regard to the risk of basing conclusions on the experience or lack of experience so far.

Personnel

22.

asked the Home Secretary whether he will arrange that payments made in connection with Civil Defence will be at such convenient periods as to ensure that no hardship will be involved to those undertaking Civil Defence duties?

The responsibility in this matter rests with the local authorities and I have no doubt that they will arrange for payments to be made regularly and promptly, though at the outset some delays may have occurred in particular places.

24.

asked the Home Secretary the estimated annual cost of the salaries and wages of the various personnel which has been recruited in connection with civilian defence, whether employed by local authorities or directly under his Department?

The annual cost of the staff now employed under my Department on Civil Defence duties is estimated at approximately £1,000,000. As regards the personnel engaged by local authorities, the major part of the expenditure will be attributable to the wages of whole-time volunteers. Local authorities have been asked to furnish particulars of the numbers of persons at present on their pay roll. Until these particulars are available it is not possible to give a reliable estimate of the cost involved.

Will my right hon. Friend publish the figures when they are received from the local authorities?

If a question is put down in due course I shall endeavour to answer it.

Air-Raid Precautions

23.

asked the Home Secretary whether he has considered the representations from the Jarrow, Heb-burn and Felling councils regarding the difficulties of providing people with air-raid protection under the present financial arrangements; and whether he will give special consideration, in view of the lack of protection in this vulnerable area?

The only representations which have reached me are those recently made by the hon. Lady herself, and the position as represented by her is being investigated as a matter of special. urgency.

While expressing my gratitude to the Minister for his courtesy to myself may I ask whether he has not received resolutions passed by those two councils?

Will my right hon. Friend bear in mind that we made representations from the borough council of Wall-send and that we had a very quick answer, although we are still lacking a great many of the things that are necessary?

Auxiliary Fire Service

25.

asked the Home Secretary when he anticipates that a sufficient supply of bedding and blankets will be available for the Auxiliary Fire Service; whether he intends to rely largely on gifts of these articles from householders; and whether, in view of the approach of winter, some grant will be made to those who bring their own bedding and blankets, which in many cases have had to be purchased owing to nothing having been provided by the authorities other than a garage floor?

The provision of bedding and blankets for the use of those members of the Auxiliary Fire Service whose duties require them to sleep away from their homes is the responsibility of the local fire authorities, and the cost ranks for Exchequer grant. In one or two instances I understand that, shortly after the Auxiliary Fire Service was mobilised, requests were made for assistance in meeting immediate requirements, but I am not aware that there is now any special difficulty in obtaining the necessary supplies.

Is my right hon. Friend aware of the very great shortage of mattresses, and that the only blankets we have are the curtains that have been cut down?

I shall be glad to look into the difficulties which exist in any area, but my information is that supplies from contractors are now coming for ward very satisfactorily.

Voluntary Help

28.

asked the Home Secretary whether he is aware that in the Civil Defence Services qualified volunteer help is being discouraged in favour of paid service, thus largely increasing the public expenditure and discouraging patriotic offers of service; and whether he will take action to prevent this?

I have no reason to believe that the practice described by my hon. Friend is at all prevalent; but, if he will send me detailed particulars of any cases that have come to his notice, I shall be glad to make inquiries and to take immediate action where the circumstances warrant it.

Motor Vehicles (Requisitioning)

29.

asked the Home Secretary whether any steps are being taken to put the requisition of motor vehicles on to a more efficient and fairer basis, and to remedy the many unnecessary cases of hardship which have been created?

I have been asked to reply. Vehicles for the purposes of Civil Defence have been for the most part secured by voluntary arrangements made in peace-time, and recorded with the traffic commissioners. Requisitioning has been resorted to only where such arrangements could not be made. In either case, care has been taken to avoid hardship so far as possible. If my hon. Friend has any particular case in mind where requisitioning has been made on what appears to be an unfair basis, I shall be glad to look into it if he will give me the necessary particulars. Any question regarding the impressment of vehicles for the armed forces should be addressed to the appropriate Minister.

Does the right hon. Gentleman not realise the heavy burden which has been thrown on to the Ministry of Transport through its policy of choking road transport? There would have been 500,000 more vehicles if the Ministry had not choked road transport for the benefit of the railways.

Maternity And Child Welfare (Cheap Milk)

13.

asked the Minister of Health whether he is prepared to put into operation immediately the scheme for the provision of cheap milk for mothers and young children on the same basis as the milk-in-schools scheme, so as to ensure that the cheap milk will be available on application to any expectant and nursing mother and pre-school child?

The scheme for this purpose which was made by the Milk Marketing Board and approved by my right hon. Friend the Minister of Agriculture and Fisheries came into operation on 31st July. I have received proposals under the scheme from a number of welfare authorities and these are at present being examined by my Department in consultation with the Milk Marketing Board and I hope it will be possible to put them into operation at an early date.

Will the right hon. Gentleman try to expedite the operation of this scheme, particularly in the reception areas?

Yes, Sir; I am very anxious that it should be brought into operation as early as possible.

Is the Minister aware that owing to the higher cost of living in many reception areas poor expectant mothers are denied the necessary amount of milk?

That is all the more reason for trying to get these arrangements completed.

Is not the higher price of milk due to the machinations of the Milk Board?

Nursing Services

14.

asked the Minister of Health whether he is aware that women offering to enrol for training as nurses are being informed that no more women can be accepted for training as nurses or assistant nurses; whether such information is being given by his authority, and whether he is satisfied that there is no further need for the training of nurses and assistant nurses?

No such instruction is being given by my authority. It is possible that some temporary dislocation was feared at the outbreak of war, but I am informed that the General Nursing Council have taken all necessary steps to enable training to continue without interruption.

Will the right hon. Gentleman take the necessary steps to ensure that this information is made available to all those who may require nurses, as I do not think that any such information has been given?

15.

asked the Minister of Health whether he is aware that experienced trained nurses and nursing sisters" have been invited to volunteer for National Service in London, and on appointment by borough councils have been paid £2 a week, the salary of first-aid workers; and whether a different scale of salaries can be established for trained nurses?

I would refer the hon. Member to the reply given to my hon. and gallant Friend the Member for Blackburn (Captain Elliston) on 28th July. The standard rate of £90 a year for a trained nurse, plus board, lodging and laundry, is applicable to a nurse employed by the borough council at a first-aid post, under conditions laid down in a recent circular, a copy of which I will send to the hon. Member.

Is not the right hon. Gentleman aware that in certain areas in London nurses are being paid a flat rate of £2 without any allowances whatever; and if I bring him cases will he look into them?

Rents (Private Schools)

16.

asked the Minister of Health whether any arrangements are to be made for partial remittance of London rents to those who, in order to maintain schools or colleges for young persons or adolescents, have been forced to find country accommodation?

I assume that my hon. Friend has in mind schools and colleges which are not supported out of public funds. It would not be possible for me to make arrangements for the remission of rents to owners of schools, which did not also apply to other classes of tenants. On the general question, I would refer to the answer given by my right hon. Friend the Attorney-General to the Member for Don Valley (Mr. T. Williams) yesterday.

Vaccination (Exemption Attestations)

17.

asked the Minister of Health whether, in view of the special circumstances now prevailing, he will authorise a modification of the regulations governing attestations relating to vaccination exemptions, to enable such attestations to be taken by post and from either parent?

Amending legislation would be required to give effect to the hon. Member's suggestions, and I do not consider it necessary to propose such legislation at present.

Is it the intention of the Department to carry on with the prosecutions as usual?

Defence Regulations

19.

asked the Home Secretary whether he has delegated any of his functions under Section 39e (2) of the Defence Regulations, 1939, to any mayor, justice of the peace, or chief officer of police; and, if so, to what extent and subject to what restrictions, and to what officials he has made such delegation?

The answer to the first part of the question is in the negative. The second part does not, therefore, arise.

Would the right hon. Gentleman bear in mind, if he does make this. delegation, the desirability of making it in some public form?

Aliens (Registration)

20.

asked the Home Secretary whether he will consider the advisability of withdrawing the description enemy aliens now placed on every registration card of Austrian and other refugees, in view of the fact that nearly all these persons are friendly aliens, and the victims of aggression?

I am in sympathy with the hon. Member's suggestion. Under the Aliens Order, nationals of a state with which this country is at war are subject to certain provisions which are not applicable to aliens of other nationalities. These provisions are explained in two printed slips, of which one is attached to the registration certificate of Germans and Austrians and the other to the certificates of other aliens. I find that, in order to prevent mistakes in the use of the two prints, there were added at the foot of the first print the words "Enemy alien." All these cases are, however, to be reviewed by the tribunals which I am appointing, and wherever the tribunal decides that a German or Austrian can be relieved from the special restrictions applicable to enemy aliens, this slip will be cancelled and a more appropriate endorsement stamped on the certificate.

When does the right hon. Gentleman expect the aliens tribunals to be in operation?

About 1oo appointments have been made. Instructions have been drafted and I hope that all necessary arrangements to enable the tribunals to begin sitting will be completed within the next 10 days.

Does the answer which the right hon. Gentleman has just given and for which we are very grateful mean that Austrians will in future be treated in approximately the same way as the Czechs?

That point is covered in the general answer which I made when I explained rather carefully about the various categories.

Licensed Trade (Restrictions)

26 and 27

asked the Home Secretary (1) whether the Government are considering a return to the wartime restrictions on the sale and supply of alcoholic beverages as a measure of national safety; and whether any step will be taken to discourage public advertisement designed to increase the sale of intoxicants for the duration of the war;

(2)whether the Government contemplate the reinstitution of the no-treating order for the protection of men and women on duty in the Defence services against hospitality by the public, and for the greater efficiency and safety of the services?

The existing restrictions on the sale of intoxicating liquor which are contained in the Licensing Act, 1921, are similar to the restrictions which were imposed in the last war. As regards treating and the other matters to which the Noble Lady refers, I am, as I said on Friday last, watching the situation carefully, but as yet I have no information to indicate that special measures are needed to check the consumption of alcohol.

If I brought my right hon. Friend cases not from one, but from all areas, particularly areas where young. soldiers are being treated, would he consider the matter? Were not the hours for the sale of alcohol quite different in the last war from what they are now, and was not that not on account of drunkenness, but mainly on account of output?

I will certainly consider any information with which the Noble Lady can furnish me, but we have to recognise that the public are at present subject to many restrictions, and we should be sure of our ground before we act. As regards the second part of the question, it is quite true that the hours fixed under the Defence of the Realm Regulations during the last war were somewhat shorter than those in the Licensing Act, but those hours were very much shorter than the normal hours previously enforced. I do not think any case has yet been made out.

It is no good my trying to get through questions if hon. Members will insist upon asking supplementaries.

It is only one supplementary. I must insist on asking this supplementary.

I really must ask this supplementary. It is only one question, and I will not be ruled out. Is it not inconsistent with the rights of private Members that any Member should be closed down like this on a question that affects the liberties of the individual?

The hon. and learned Member, like others, must realise that we cannot allow too many supplementary questions.

On a point of Order. May I ask, Mr. Speaker, whether the difficulty that has just arisen does not indicate the desirability of giving consideration to a Motion which I put on the Paper, requesting that the number of supplementaries that could be asked should be evened out to some extent by not allowing six on one question and only one on another?

Further to that point of Order. Would it not be better for the Noble Lady to take the hon. and learned Gentleman out and treat him?

Capital (Valuation)

31.

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer whether he will take steps to ascertain the present value of the capital owned by individuals liable to Income Tax?

I would ask my hon. Friend to await any statement I may have to make when opening my Emergency Budget.

May I have the assurance of my right hon. Friend that this matter of the taxation of the growth of capital during the war will receive careful consideration and that we shall have a considered statement on the matter in due course?

I believe my hon. Friend will appreciate that my answer showed that we have the matter under consideration.

Does the right hon. Gentleman not realise that capital goes up and down from day to day and hour to hour, and that there is no possibility of making a satisfactory calculation?

Income Tax (Workers)

32.

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer whether, in view of the considerable distances many persons have to travel in connection with their war work, he will consider more generous Income Tax allowances for travelling expenses to and from work; and whether, in view of the heavy expenditure on tools necessitated for men who resume work after long periods of unemployment, he will consider increasing the flat-rate allowance for tools?

I do not see my way to propose an extension of the deductions already permitted. With regard to the second part of the hon. Member's question, the flat-rate allowances to which he refers are allowances agreed between the Board of Inland Revenue and the respective trade unions, as covering the average annual expenses of the workers concerned. The existence of a flat rate allowance does not, of course, debar any worker who may have incurred special expenditure on tools after a period of unemployment from claiming a deduction by reference to his actual expenditure, and any such claim would be considered on its merits. If the hon. Member has any particular cases in mind, I should be glad to cause inquiry to be made into them if he will send me the necessary details.

Would the Minister give further consideration to this question of travelling expenses, which very often constitute in a period such as this an exceptionally heavy burden on workers who are forced to travel very long distances to carry on their work?

Bank For International Settlements

33.

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer whether he proposes to allow the Bank of England to continue to collaborate with the Bank for International Settlements, in view of the passing of the Trading with the Enemy Act?

The Bank of England are acting, and have from the outbreak of the war been acting, in close collaboration with the Treasury to ensure that no infringement of the Trading with the Enemy provisions shall arise.

Can the right hon. Gentleman say whether the Bank of England are still collaborating with the Bank for International Settlements, as I put it in the question?

I think the point of the hon. Gentleman's question, and a very natural one, was that he wanted to be assured that the Trading with the Enemy Act was being strictly observed.

Will the right hon. Gentleman be good enough to answer the question whether the Bank of England are continuing to collaborate with the Bank for International Settlements?

There can be no possible trading under the terms of Trading with the Enemy Act merely in the fact that the Bank of England and a Swiss bank are in communication. What is necessary is to be sure that none of these communications or transactions in the least involves any trading with the enemy.

Is it not time that the Bank for International Settlements was wound up?

Can the right hon. Gentleman give an assurance that there cannot happen in present circumstances the kind of trading with the enemy whereby millions of pounds were handed from the Czech State to the Nazi Government?

The point of the question —without any question of what has happened in the past—was whether any question of trading with the enemy could arise.

Does it mean that the Chairman of the Bank of England and other representatives of the Bank of England will be meeting German Ministers at Basle on the business of the Bank for International Settlements?

Are we to understand that members of the German Government are still members of this International Bank, and, therefore, will it be possible for our representatives to meet these German representatives at Basle if they should go there?

34.

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer whether he will consider the advisability of reclaiming from the Bank for International Settlements the Treasury's Trust Account Deposit which has been re-invested in Germany, in view of the fact that, by virtue of The Hague Agreement of 1930 and the Brussels Protocol of 1936, Germany has undertaken not to place any restrictions upon the bank assets even in time of war?

I stated the position of this matter very fully in answer to questions on 1st August last, and after full consideration I cannot add anything to that reply.

In view of the fact that the German Government has given an undertaking to pay over this money, and that to refuse to do so would involve a breach of two international agreements freely entered into, will not the Chancellor of the Exchequer—and is not it his duty to do so—make an attempt to obtain this money for the British Government?

As I assured the hon. Gentleman before, this matter has been most carefully looked into. The action which has been taken undoubtedly is the best action to take, and, I may add, after fully exploring it, it is quite plain that our action and the French action in the matter are exactly the same.

I do not think I could do that in answer to a supplementary question. It is an extremely complicated matter.

War Risks Insurance

35.

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer whether his attention has been drawn to advertisements in the Press by companies offering to insure real properly against damage arising from enemy action; and whether he has made or will make inquiries as to the financial resources of these companies?

My attention has been drawn to the cases referred to in my hon. Friend's question, and I would refer him to the reply given on this subject to the hon. Member for East Ham South (Mr. Barnes) on 27th July last by my right hon. Friend the President of the Board of Trade.

Does not the promotion of enterprises of this kind make even more urgent the need for a national scheme of property insurance; and can my right hon. Friend say when the Government expect to receive the report of the committee they have appointed to consider this matter?

Yes, Sir, I think it has already been stated—at any rate it is the fact—that Lord Weir's Committee, in view of the present situation, is hastening its report as much as possible, and we expect to receive it very shortly.

Does not the right hon. Gentleman think that, in view of the attractive nature of these advertisements and the liability of many lower-middle class and working class people responding, it is the responsibility of the Treasury to give some advice to householders in this matter?

I am not sure on what department that responsibility rests, but I do not mind about that. The statement which was made by my colleague the President of the Board of Trade was that he advised all who are invited to insure their property in this way to consider whether an undue proportion of contributions may not be appropriated to management expenses, and also to consider the severe limitation which events may impose on the amounts which may be available for compensation in individual cases. I think that the right hon. Gentleman will agree that is a warning which could hardly be more specific.

Will not the right hon. Gentleman warn these people that they may be merely sharepushers and that they may lose all their money; and does he not realise that po5r people have not the intelligence to examine these things?

Civil Administration (Expenditure)

36.

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer whether, in view of the preparations for a war of three years' duration, he will take steps immediately to introduce economies in the civil administration corresponding to those made in 1931?

My hon. Friend will appreciate that the particular economies put into effect in 1931 were related to the circumstances then obtaining and would not necessarily be appropriate or practicable at the present time. I welcome this opportunity, however, of making it clear that His Majesty's Government fully realise the imperative necessity of husbanding the financial resources of the country so as to make them available to the utmost for the successful prosecution of the war. Action has already been taken to review expenditure on a number of important services and I propose to supplement this action by instructing all departments to undertake a careful examination of every item of expenditure, whether in the sphere of policy or ad-ministration, with a view to securing the maximum possible economy. As I have previously suggested, I trust that I may have the co-operation of the House in resisting demands for the expansion of expenditure on any services which cannot be regarded in present circumstances as absolutely vital in the national interest.

Has my right hon. Friend any special measures in view to propose to this House by which the Members of this House can help and assist in preventing the waste in public expenditure?

The matter is so important that suggestions of any kind are being very carefully examined, and I can assure my hon. Friend that that suggestion is one of them.

Will the right hon. Gentleman see to it that the poor are not deprived of any necessities while the wealthy are enabled to enjoy luxuries?

Czech Aliens (Blocked Bank Accounts)

38.

asked the Financial Secretary to the Treasury whether he will now issue instructions for the release of the blocked bank accounts of those friendly Czech aliens who have escaped here, have funds here, and wish to use that money of their own?

The matter referred to by the right hon. and gallant Member is under active consideration, and perhaps he will be so good as to repeat his question in a week's time.

Agriculture

National Mark Grading

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asked the Minister of Agriculture whether he will arrange for the employment of women inspectors to replace male inspectors formerly employed in the National Mark grading of agricultural produce, so that the high standard and commercial goodwill attached to the mark through many years work will not be wasted?

No, Sir. I regret that owing to the control to which supplies of various commodities must necessarily be subject in time of war it is not possible to continue the National Mark grading schemes. The schemes have undoubtedly effected a substantial improvement in the marketing of home produce and I would like to take this opportunity to thank all those who have given the National Mark movement their support and encouragement. The advantages of proper grading and packing are now widely recognised and I feel sure that the suspension of the schemes will not mean that the work of the past few years will be wasted.

Will not the absence of this National Mark be a great discouragement to those who have been improving the standard of agricultural produce; and could not the scheme be kept alive even in respect to National Mark fruit, in respect of which there has been great improvement due to its introduction?

I very much doubt whether in present circumstances we shall be able to continue the National Mark scheme, but if it should be possible to do so we will try our best to reinstate it.

Can the Minister of Agriculture assure us that he is going to do more about employing women in agriculture and get them organised than has been done up to now, as his Department has been the slackest of all, while there are thousands of women ready' to take men's places?

The response of women to the appeal for the Land Army has been perfectly magnificent, and we are getting on with the training as quickly as possible.

Tractors

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asked the Minister of Agriculture whether he can make a statement as to the method by which the Government's reserve of tractors is to be made available for the use of farmers?

Tractors from the Government reserve will be assigned to county war agricultural executive committees upon a plan which takes into account the amount of grassland to be ploughed and the estimated numbers of agricultural tractors already located in each county. These tractors, of which a first consignment will be sent to each county within the next few days, will be worked by the county committees who will undertake, on a contract basis comparable with the arrangements made by agricultural contractors, the ploughing up of grassland and any subsequent cultivations that may be necessary, for farmers who have been unable to get their land ploughed by other means. Full particulars of these plans are contained in a circular letter that was issued to county committees on 18th September. I am sending a copy of this letter to the hon. Member.

While thanking the right hon. and gallant Gentleman for his reply, may I say that I have seen a copy of that circular and I wonder whether he could given an assurance that a point which is not clear in it will be cleared up, namely, that the county committees may use the reserve of tractors especially in those counties which are short of tractors before all the tractors in private hands are already in use so that the county committees may get on with the job?

They are now being trained and the county committees will be able to use their own initiative as to the way in which they use the available drivers.

Will not the effective use of these tractors be nullified unless they are accompanied with sets of implements with which they can be worked?

Food Production (County Committees)

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asked the Minister of Agriculture whether he can make a statement showing the extent to which the county committees have now undertaken their work of increasing food production?

Since their formation immediately on the outbreak of war, county war agricultural executive committees have been completing their organisation, including staffing arrangements, and the setting up of sub-committees and district committees, in order to enable them to carry out the duties delegated to them. The executive committees have been advised as to the steps to be taken for increasing home food production, and as to the minimum addition to the tillage area to be secured by each committee by the ploughing up of grassland in their county. I have every hope that the greater part of this addition will be secured by the voluntary efforts of the farmers themselves without recourse to the exercise of compulsory powers by the committees. I am glad to be able to say that there is every indication that the committees are getting down to their task, which is one of assistance as well as direction to agriculturists, with great energy.

Will my right hon. and gallant Friend do every-think he can to encourage allotments?

Already, circulars have been sent out with regard to that matter, and a campaign is to be launched to try at first to deal with allotments and private gardens.

Is my right hon. Friend aware that there are a million fewer allotments than two years ago?

May we have an assurance that the county committees will not be hampered by having to fill up too many forms, and that they will be allowed to get on with their work?

Does that apply only to England and Wales, or is there a special scheme for Scotland?

Ministry Of Information

43.

asked the Parliamentary Secretary to the Ministry of Information whether he has considered the protest from the National Union of Journalists concerning failure to provide the public with adequate news of the conduct of the war; and whether he will consider consulting with the union as to the best methods of reorganising the Ministry with a view to providing a more adequate service?

My Noble Friend has received and considered the resolution referred to, which was passed on 8th September. The Press organisations are now, I am sure, satisfied of the Ministry's desire to work in close co-operation with them, and much consultation has already taken place. In this connection the House will welcome the announcement that Lord Camrose has been good enough to give the Ministry the benefit of his great knowledge and long experience.

Would it not be desirable to meet the representatives of the National Union of Journalists and to reorganise the whole method of providing information, through the service that they, are able to give? Is the hon. Member aware that everyone is very dissatisfied with the present very undesirable situation?

As I have explained to the hon. Member, full consultation is already taking place with organisations representing journalists, and I think he may rest assured that those consultations will go into every point of importance.

May the House be assured that the practices of Russia will never obtain here?

Would it not have been much better to have appointed a competent working journalist for this job, rather than Lord Camrose?

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asked the Parliamentary Secretary to the Ministry of Information what proportion of the journalists employed in connection with the Ministry of Information are members of the National Union of Journalists; how many members of the union volunteered for such work during the preliminary registration carried out before the war by the National Service Department of the Ministry of Labour; and how many of those who volunteered have since been called upon?

There are at present 16 journalists employed at the headquarters of the Ministry of Information. With two or three exceptions, they are all understood to be members of professional organisations of journalists, about one-third being members of the National Union of Journalists. As regards the second and third parts of the question, my Noble Friend is informed by my right hon. Friend the Minister of Labour that 317 members of the National Union of Journalists have enrolled under the Central Register scheme; they did so mostly before the outbreak of the war. The journalists at present employed in the Ministry of Information were almost entirely selected before the Central Register of Journalists had been compiled. None of them in consequence figures upon that register. No further appointments of that character have so far been required. When any are found necessary, the hon. Gentleman may rest assured that the Central Register will be closely consulted for men with the qulifications essential to such post.

Is there not something wrong when such a small proportion of members of the National Union of Journalists is engaged for this work, and is this any encouragement to the voluntary service which the journalists so readily offered in the event of hostilities?

Is not the Ministry of Information meant to prevent information leaking out, just as the Ministry of Transport is meant to obstruct transport?

The National Union of Journalists is not the only voluntary organisation. I can assure the hon. Member that the National Union of Journalists is fully consulted in these matters, but he will recognise that the choice of individual journalists must rest on their qualifications for their particular duties.

48.

asked the Parliamentary Secretary to the Ministry of Information whether he will give an assurance that in exercising its powers, the Ministry of Information will not attempt to suppress critical examination of any aspect of Government policy, whether military, economic or diplomatic, as long as no actual disclosure of facts unknown to the enemy is involved?

My Noble Friend made it clear in his statement last week that the function of the Ministry is to be a Ministry of expression and not of repression, and I can give the fullest assurance that there is no intention on the part of the Ministry so to exercise their powers as to restrict the free expression of opinion, including the critical examination of any aspect of Government policy, save in so far as this might convey information which might be useful to the enemy.

The hon. and learned Member had better put that question to the appropriate Department.

Is the Minister aware that the impression is now universal that if the Germans do not manage to bomb us to death the Ministry of Information will bore us to death?

Dominions (War Co-Operation)

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asked the Prime Minister whether it is intended to form an Imperial War Council; and whether the council will have a representative in the War Cabinet?

:I do not think that the hon. Member's suggestion is immediately practicable. There is already close contact with His Majesty's Governments in the Dominions on all matters connected with the prosecution of the war, and means for the fullest possible co-operation between the Governments are constantly under consideration.

Will the Prime Minister reconsider that reply? In view of the magnificent way in which the whole of the British Commonwealth of Nations have rallied to the needs of the Commonwealth, and in view of the progressive policy that has been pursued by the Colonies and Dominions and the respect that the world has for the Government, may we be assured that we shall follow that policy?

I think, if I may say so, the hon. Member is not looking at this matter from the right aspect. This is not a favour to be offered by this Government to the Governments of His Majesty's Dominions overseas. It is a question of the best possible co-operation between the various Governments concerned, and I can tell the hon. Member that we are in close co-operation with them and we should have their agreement, I have no doubt, in any steps that we may take.

Germany (British Leaflets)

47.

asked the Parliamentary Secretary to the Ministry of Information whether he is satisfied that the dropping of leaflets on German soil meets with the approval of the nation and of neutral peoples; and if the practice is to be continued?

My Noble Friend cannot, of course, speak for individual members of the public, but he is satisfied that the dropping of leaflets has met with approval in many quarters. Reports received from neutral countries make it clear that they have noted with interest the promulgation in Germany of severe penalties against any person found in possession of a British leaflet and also that they share our own opinion that leaflets alone will not defeat the German Armies. As regards the second part of the question, it would not be in the public interest to make any statement as to future action.

Will the hon. Member undertake to ask for the co-operation of prominent Members of this House who have broadcast messages to the country and to foreign nations, such as the right hon. Member for Warwick and Leamington (Mr. Eden) and the Deputy-Leader of the Opposition in compiling these leaflets?

Yes, Sir. We welcome the co-operation of Members of this House in every way.

Food Supplies

Retailers (Conditions Of Sale)

49.

asked the Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster whether he is aware that certain food retailers are refusing to sell certain commodities, namely, sugar, unless the customer purchases some other article, namely, tea; and what steps he proposes to take in the matter?

I would refer my hon. and learned Friend to the reply which I gave yesterday to my hon. and learned Friend the Member for Cardiff, East (Mr. Temple Morris) in which I stated that the Food (Conditions of Sale) Order makes conditional sales of the kind indicated in the question an offence against the Defence Regulations. If my hon. and learned Friend will furnish me with particulars of any cases brought to his notice, I will be very glad to make inquiries.

Can the Minister tell us whether any prosecutions have been undertaken against anybody in regard to this particular offence, because I have had complaints not only from my own division but from the part of London, Richmond, where I live?

There have been some complaints of this nature and if the hon. and learned Member has any specific case to bring to my notice, I will see that appropriate action is taken.

Is the Minister aware that this particular type of offence hits very hard the old age pensioners who cannot afford to buy these things in large quantities and their opportunities of dealing with certain shops are curtailed?

Fish Distribution

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asked the Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster whether he is now in a position to make a statement on the working of the Bennett scheme at Manchester wholesale fish market?

I would refer my hon. and learned Friend to the statement which I made yesterday on this subject.

May I ask whether any steps are being taken to reimburse wholesalers in Manchester and elsewhere for the losses they have sustained through the supplies of fish being unfit for human consumption?

The hon. and learned Member should put that question on the Order Paper.

Scotland

Prisoner, Glasgow

53.

asked the Secretary of State for Scotland whether Mr. Turkington, debt collector of Gallowgate, Glasgow, who was recently sentenced at Glasgow High Court to 12 months imprisonment for various fraudulent practices, is still a prisoner at Barlinnie Prison, Glasgow, or if he has been recently released?

This prisoner has been transferred to Edinburgh Prison, where he is now detained.

Evacuation

54.

asked the Secretary of State for Scotland whether he is now prepared to consider Falkirk and Grange-mouth, with Stirlingshire, as probable areas of danger from air attack; and what steps he is prepared to take for the evacuation of children there?

At the present time a supplementary scheme of evacuation from the existing evacuation areas in Scotland is being put into operation. I regret that I cannot at present consider an extension of the existing areas, but I am keeping the position under review.

It may be inadvisable to discuss this matter in public, but will the Secretary of State be prepared to accept certain information which I have and consider it?

I am willing to consider any information which the hon. Member puts before me.

Will the Secretary of State take special care to see that the Wallace Monument is protected?

War Risks Insurance (Farmers)

55.

asked the Secretary of State for Scotland whether he is aware that Scottish farmers consider the com pulsory insurance scheme against war risks to be impossible and financially disastrous for farmers, and that they desire that the scheme should be made voluntary; and will he take steps o meet this demand?

I am aware that dissatisfaction with the scheme in its original form was expressed by the National Farmers' Union and Chamber of Agriculture of Scotland. The hon. Member will be aware, however, that it has been announced that certain important agricultural products are now to be excluded from the scope of the War Risks Insurance Act. Insurance for those products not covered by the exemption will be compulsory only if their total value on the farm at any one time exceeds £1,000.

Commodity Insurance Scheme

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