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Finance Bill (Allocation Of Time)

Volume 765: debated on Thursday 23 May 1968

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Report [22nd May] of the Business Committee (Finance Bill) to be considered forthwith.—[Mr. Roy Jenkins.]

Considered accordingly.

Question put forthwith, pursuant to Standing Order No. 43A (Allocation of time to Bills), That this House doth agree with the Committee in the said Resolution.

Division No. 164.]

AYES

[4.27 p.m.

Albu, AustenDickens, JamesHughes, Hector (Aberdeen, N.)
Allaun, Frank (Salford, E.)Dobson, RayHughes, Roy (Newport)
Alldritt, WalterDoig, PeterHunter, Adam
Allen, ScholefieldDriberg, TomHynd, John
Anderson, DonaldDunnett, JackIrvine, Sir Arthur
Archer, PeterDunwoody, Mrs. Gwyneth (Exeter)Jackson, Peter M. (High Peak)
Armstrong, ErnestDunwoody, Dr. John (F'th & C'b'e)Jay, Rt. Hn. Douglas
Atkins, Ronald (Preston, N.)Eadie, AlexJeger, George (Goole)
Atkinson, Norman (Tottenham)Ellis, JohnJenkins, Hugh (Putney)
Bacon, Rt. Hn. AliceEnglish, MichaelJenkins, Rt. Hn. Roy (Stechford)
Bagier, Gordon A. T.Ennals, DavidJohnson, Carol (Lewisham, S.)
Barnes, MichaelEnsor, DavidJohnson, James (K'ston-on-Hull W.)
Barnett, JoelEvans, Albert (Islington, S.W.)Jones, Dan (Burnley)
Baxter, WilliamEvans, loan L. (Birm'h'm, Yardley)Jones, J. Idwal (Wrexham)
Beaney, AlanFaulds, AndrewJones, T. Alec (Rhondda, West)
Bence, CyrilFletcher, Raymond (Ilkeston)Kelley, Richard
Benn, Rt. Hn. Anthony WedgwoodFletcher, Ted (Darlington)Kenyon, Clifford
Bennett, James (G'gow, Bridgeton)Foley, MauriceKerr, Mrs. Anne (R'ter & Chatham)
Bidwell, SydneyFoot, Rt. Hn. Sir Dingle (Ipswich)Kerr, Dr. David (W'worth, Central)
Binns, JohnFoot, Michael (Ebbw Vale)Kerr, Russell (Feltham)
Blackburn, F.Ford, BenLawson, George
Blenkinsop, ArthurForrester, JohnLeadbitter, Ted
Boardman, H. (Leigh)Fowler, GerryLedger, Ron
Booth, AlbertFraser, John (Norwood)Lee, Rt. Hn. Frederick (Newton)
Bottomley, Rt. Hn. ArthurFreeson, ReginaldLee, John (Reading)
Boyden, JamesGalpern, Sir MyerLestor, Miss Joan
Braddock, Mrs. E. M.Gardner, TonyLever, Harold (Cheetham)
Bray, Dr. JeremyGarrett, W. E.Lever, L. M. (Ardwick)
Brooks, EdwinGinsburg, DavidLewis, Arthur (W. Ham, N.)
Brown, Rt. Hn. George (Belper)Gourlay, HarryLewis, Ron (Carlisle)
Brown, Hugh D. (G'gow, Provan)Gray, Dr. Hugh (Yarmouth)Lipton, Marcus
Brown,Bob(Nc'tle-upon-Tyne,W.)Greenwood, Rt. Hn. AnthonyLomas, Kenneth
Brown, R. W. (Shoreditch & F'bury)Gregory, ArnoldLoughlin, Charles
Butler, Herbert (Hackney, C.)Grey, Charles (Durham)Luard, Evan
Butler, Mrs. Joyce (Wood Green)Griffiths, David (Rother Valley)Lyon, Alexander W. (York)
Callaghan, Rt. Hn. JamesGriffiths, Rt. Hn. James (Llanelly)Mabon, Dr. J. Dickson
Cant, R. B.Griffiths, Will (Exchange)McBride, Neil
Carmichael, NeilGunter, Rt. Hn. R. J.McCann, John
Carter-Jones, LewisHamilton, James (Bothwell)MacColl, James
Castle, Rt. Hn. BarbaraHamilton, William (Fife, W.)MacDermot, Niall
Chapman, DonaldHamling, WilliamMacdonald, A. H.
Coe, DenisHannan, WilliamMcGuire, Michael
Coleman, DonaldHarper, JosephMcKay, Mrs. Margaret
Concannon, J. D.Harrison, Walter (Wakefield)Mackenzie, Gregor (Rutherglen)
Conlan, BernardHart, Rt. Hn. JudithMackie, John
Corbet, Mrs. FredaHaseldine, NormanMackintosh, John P.
Craddock, George (Bradford, S.)Hattersley, RoyMacPherson, Malcolm
Crawshaw, RichardHazell, BertMahon, Peter (Preston, S.)
Crosland, Rt. Hn. AnthonyHealey, Rt. Hn, DenisMahon, Simon (Bootle)
Crossman, Rt. Hn. RichardHeffer, Eric S.Mallalieu, E. L. (Brigg)
Cullen, Mrs. AliceHilton, W. S.Mallalieu, J.P.W.(Huddersfield, E.)
Dalyell, TamHooley, FrankManuel, Archie
Darling, Rt. Hn. GeorgeHorner, JohnMarks, Kenneth
Davidson, Arthur (Accrington)Houghton, Rt. Hn. DouglasMarquand, David
Davies, Harold (Leek)Howarth, Robert (Bolton, E.)Marsh, Rt. Hn. Richard
de Freitas, Rt. Hn. Sir GeoffreyHowell, Denis (Small Heath)Mason, Rt. Hn. Roy
Delargy, HughHowie, w.Maxwell, Robert
Dell, EdmundHoy, JamesMayhew, Christopher
Dempsey, JamesHuckfield, LeslieMellish, Rt. Hn. Robert
Dewar, DonaldHughes, Rt. Hn. Cledwyn (Anglesey)Mendelson, J. J.
Diamond, Rt. Hn. JohnHughes, Emrys (Ayrshire, S.)Mikardo, Ian

The House divided:

(Tiverton) (seated and covered): On a point of order, Mr. Speaker—

Ayes 283, Noes 229.

Millan, Brucepentland, NormanStonehouse, John
Miller, Dr. M. S.Perry, George H. (Nottingham, S.)Strauss, Rt. Hn. G. R.
Mitchelt, R. C. (S'th'pton, Test)Prentice, Rt. Hn. R. E.Summerskill, Hn. Dr. Shirley
Molloy, WilliamPrice, Christopher (Perry Barr)Swingler, Stephen
Moonman, EricPrice, Thomas (Westhoughton)Taverne, Dick
Morgan, Elystan (Cardiganshire)Price, William (Rugby)Thornton, Ernest
Morris, Alfred (Wythenshawe)Probert, ArthurTinn, James
Morris, Charles R. (Openshaw)Pursey, Cmdr. HarryTomney, Frank
Morris, John (Aberavon)Randall, HarryUrwin, T. W.
Moyle, RolandRankin, JohnVarley, Eric G.
Murray, AlbertRees, MerlynWainwright, Edwin (Dearne Valley)
Neal, HaroldRhodes, GeoffreyWalker, Harold (Doncaster)
Newens, StanRichard, IvorWallace, George
Noel-Baker, Francis (Swindon)Roberts, Albert (Normanton)Watkins, David (Consett)
Noel-Baker, Rt. Hn. Philip (Derby,S.)Roberts, Goronwy (Caernarvon)Watkins, Tudor (Brecon & Radnor)
Norwood, ChristopherRoberts, Gwilym (Bedfordshire, S.)Weitzman, David
Ogden, EricRobertson, John (Paisley)Wellbeloved, James
O'Malley, BrianRobinson, Rt. Hn. Kenneth (St.P'c'as)Whitaker, Ben
Oram, Albert E.Rodgers, William (Stockton)Whitlock, William
Orbach, MauriceRoebuck, RoyWilliams, Alan (Swansea, W.)
Orme, StanleyRogers, George (Kensington, N.)Williams, Alan Lee (Hornchurch)
Oswald, ThomasRoss, Rt. Hn. WilliamWilliams, Clifford (Abertillery)
Owen, Dr. David (Plymouth, S'tn)Rowlands, E. (Cardiff, N.)Williams, Mrs. Shirley (Hitchin)
Owen Will (Morpeth)Ryan, JohnWillis, Rt. Hn. George
Page, Derek (King's Lynn)Shaw, Arnold (llford, S.)Wilson, Rt. Hn. Harold (Huyton)
Paget, R. T.Sheldon, RobertWilson, William (Coventry, S.)
Palmer, ArthurShinwell, Rt. Hn. E.winnick, David
Pannell, Rt. Hn. CharlesShort, Rt. Hn. Edward (N'c'tle-u-Tyne)woodburn, Rt. Hn. A.
Park, TrevorSilkin, Rt. Hn. John (Deptford)Woof, Robert
Parker, John (Dagenham)Silkin, Hn. S. C. (Dulwich)Wyatt, Woodrow
Parkin, Ben (Paddington, N.)Silverman, Julius (Aston)
Parkyn, Brian (Bedford)Skeffington, ArthurTELLERS FOR THE AYES:
Pavitt, LaurenceSmall, WilliamMr. Alan Fitch and
Pearson, Arthur (Pontypridd)Snow, JulianMr. Ernest G. Perry.
Peart, Rt. Hn. FredSpriggs, Leslie

NOES

Alison, Michael (Barkston Ash)Crosthwalte-Eyre, Sir OliverHastings, Stephen
Allason, James (Hemel Hempstead)Crouch, DavidHawkins, Paul
Astor, JohnCunningham, Sir KnoxHay, John
Atkins, Humphrey (M't'n & M'd'n)Currie, G. B. H.Heald, Rt. Hn. Sir Lionel
Awdry, DanielDalkeith, Earl ofHeath, Rt. Hn. Edward
Baker, Kenneth (Acton)Dance, JamesHeseltine, Michael
Baker, W. H. K. (Banff)Davidson, James (Aberdeenshire, W.)Higgins, Terence L.
Balniel, Lordd'Avigdor-Goldsmid, Sir HenryHiley, Joseph
Barber, Rt. Hn. AnthonyDean, Paul (Somerset, N.)Hill, J. E. B.
Batsford, BrianDeedes, Rt. Hn. W. F. (Ashford)Hirst, Geoffrey
Beamish, Col. Sir TuftonDigby, Simon WingfieldHogg, Rt. Hn. Quintin
Bell, RonaldDoughty, CharlesHolland, Philip
Bennett, Sir Frederic (Torquay)Douglas-Home, Rt. Hn. Sir AlecHooson, Emlyn
Bennett, Dr. Reginald (Gos. & Fhm)Drayson, G. B.Hordern, Peter
Berry, Hn. Anthonydu Cann, Rt. Hn. EdwardHornby, Richard
Bessell, PeterEden, Sir JohnHunt, John
Biffen, JohnElliot, Capt. Walter (Carshalton)Hutchison, Michael Clark
Biggs-Davison, JohnEmery, PeterIremonger, T. L.
Birch, Rt. Hn. NigelErrington, Sir EricJenkin, Patrick (Woodford)
Black, Sir CyrilEwing, Mrs. WinifredJohnston, Russell (Inverness)
Blaker, PeterEyre, ReginaldJones, Arthur (Northants, S.)
Boardman, TomFarr, JohnKaberry, Sir Donald
Body, RichardFisher, NigelKerby, Capt. Henry
Bossom, Sir CliveFletcher-Cooke, CharlesKershaw, Anthony
Boyd-Carpenter, Rt. Hn. JohnFortescue, TimKing, Evelyn (Dorset, S.)
Boyle, Rt. Hn. Sir EdwardFoster, Sir JohnKirk, Peter
Braine, BernardGalbraith, Hon. T. C.Kitson, Timothy
Brewis, JohnGibson-Watt, DavidLambton, Viscount
Bromley-Davenport. Lt.-Col.SirWalter Giles, Rear-Adm. MorganLancaster, Col. C. G.
Brown, Sir Edward (Bath)Gilmour, Ian (Norfolk, C.)Lane, David
Bruce-Gardyne, J.Glyn, Sir RichardLangford-Holt Sir John
Bryan, PaulGodber, Rt. Hn. J. B.Lewis, Kenneth (Rutland)
Buchanan-Smith, Alick(Angus, N&M)Goodhew, VictorLloyd, Ian (P'tsm'th, Langstone)
Buck, Antony (Colchester)Gower, RaymondLloyd, Rt. Hn. Selwyn (Wirral)
Bullus, Sir EricGrant, AnthonyLongden, Gilbert
Burden, F. A.Gresham Cooke, R.Lubbock, Eric
Campbell, GordonGrieve, PercyMcAdden, Sir Stephen
Carlisle, MarkGriffiths, Eldon (Bury St. Edmunds)MacArthur, Ian
Carr, Rt. Hn. RobertGurden, HaroldMackenzie, Alasdair (Ross & Crom'ty)
Channon, H. P. G.Hall, John (Wycombe)Macleod, Rt. Hn. lain
Chichester-Clark, R.Hall-Davis, A. G. F.McMaster, Stanley
Clark, HenryHamilton, Lord (Fermanagh)Macmillan, Maurice (Farnham)
Clegg, WalterHamilton, Michael (Salisbury)Maddan, Martin
Cordle, JohnHarris, Frederic (Croydon, N.W.)Maginnis, John E.
Corfield, F. V.Harrison, Brian (Maidon)Marples, Rt. Hn. Ernest
Costain, A. P.Harvey, Sir Arthur VereMarten, Neil

Mawby, RayPym, FrancisTemple, John M.
Maxwell-Hyslop, R. J.Quennell, Miss J. M.Thatcher, Mrs. Margaret
Maydon, Lt.-Cmdr. S. L. C.Ramsden, Rt. Hn. JamesThorpe, Rt. Hn. Jeremy
Mills, Peter (Torrington)Rawlinson, Rt. Hn. Sir PeterTilney, John
Mills, Stratton (Belfast, N.)Rees-Daviet, W. R.Turton, Rt. Hn. R. H.
Miscampbell, NormanRenton, Rt. Hn. sir Davidvan Straubenzee, W. R.
Mitchell, David (Basingstoke)Rhys Williams, sir BrandonVaughan-Morgan, Rt. Hn. Sir John
Monro, HectorRidley, Hn. NicholasVickers, Dame Joan
Montgomery, FergusRidsdale, JulianWainwright, Richard (Colne Valley)
Morrison, Charles (Devizes)Rippon, Rt. Hn. GeoffreyWalker, Peter (Worcester)
Mott-Radclyfte, Sir CharlesRodgers, Sir John (Sevenoaks)Walker-Smith, Rt. Hn. Sir Derek
Munro-Lucas-Tooth, Sir HughRossi, Hugh (Hornsey)Wall, Patrick
Murton, OscarRoyle, AnthonyWalters, Dennis
Nabarro, Sir GeraldSt. John-Stevas, NormanWard, Dame Irene
Neave, AireySandys, Rt. Hn. D.Weattierill, Bernard
Noble, Rt. Hn. MichaelScott, NicholasWebster, David
Nott, JohnScott-Hopkins, JamesWells, John (Maidstone)
Onslow, CrarleySharpies, RichardWhitelaw, Rt. Hn. William
Orr, Capt. L. P. S.Shaw, Michael (Sc'b'gh & Whitby)Williams, Donald (Dudley)
Orr-Ewing, Sir IanSilvester, FrederickWills, Sir Gerald (Bridgwater)
Page, Graham (Crosby)Sinclair, Sir GeorgeWilson, Geoffrey (Truro)
Page, John (Harrow, W.)Smith, Dudley (W'wick & Li'mington) Winstanley, Dr. M. P.
Pardoe, JohnSmith, John (London & W'minster)Wolrige-Gordon, Patrick
Pearson, sir Frank (Clitheroe)8peed, KeithWood, Rt. Hn. Richard
Percival, IanStainton, KeithWorsley, Marcus
Peyton, JohnSteel, David (Roxburgh)Wright, Esmond
Pike, Miss MervynStodart, AnthonyWylie, N. R.
Pink, R. BonnerStoddart-Scott, Col. Sir M. (Ripon)
Pounder, RattonTapsell, PeterTELLERS FOR THE NOES:
Powell, Rt. Hn. J. EnochTaylor, Sir Charles (Eastbourne)Mr. R. W. Elliott and
Price, David (Eastleigh)Taylor, Edward M.(G'gow,Cathcart)Mr. Jasper More.
Prior, J. M. L.Taylor, Frank (Moss Side)

On a point of order, Mr. Speaker. Is it in order for the Government—

Order. The hon. Member for Tynemouth (Dame Irene Ward) must leave the place where she is now standing, before the Table, and return to her place on the benches.

Order. If the hon. Lady wishes to protest, she must protest in a Parliamentary way from her place on the benches.

Hon. Members: Sit down.

Order. I am sorry, but, if the hon. Lady will not obey the Chair, I shall have to name her.

Hon. Members: Name her.

I beg to move,

That the hon. Member for Tynemouth (Dame Irene Ward) be suspended from the service of the House.

Hon. Members: Shame.

Order. The Question is, That the hon. Lady the Member for Tynemouth (Dame Irene Ward) be suspended from the service of the House.

The House proceeded to a Division; but no Member being willing to act as Teller for the Noes, Mr. Speaker declared that the Ayes had it.

I have a right to make a protest. I am no longer in a position adequately to protect the interests of my constituents. Parliament is turning into a dictatorship, and I protest about it.

Order. I must ask the hon. Lady now that she obey the directions of Mr. Speaker and that she leave the Chamber. The hon. Lady must not make it more difficult.

The Government are preventing me from protecting the interests of my constituents.

Order. If the hon. Lady does not obey I shall have to call the Serjeant at Arms to conduct her from the Chamber. The hon. Lady must leave the Chamber.

The Serjeant at Arms will be pleased to conduct the hon. Lady from the Chamber.

The Serjeant at Arms came forward.

The hon. Member then withdrew, escorted by the Serjeant at Arms.

Hon. Members: Out. Out. Out.

The following is the Report of the Business Committee:

That the following provisions shall apply to the remaining Proceedings in Standing Committee:—

Number of Sitting and division of Bill

1.—(1) Thirteen days in all, including Wednesday 1st May and later days on which the Committee have already sat when these recommendations take effect, shall be allotted to the Consideration of the Bill by the Standing Committee.

(2) The Proceedings to be taken on the 9th to 13th days shall be as shown in the Table at the end of this paragraph.

(3) The Proceedings which are to be so taken on any day or days shall, if not previously brought to a conclusion, be brought to a conclusion at 11.20 p.m. on that day or as the case may be on the last of those days.

TABLE

Days

Proceedings

9,10and 11All Clauses and related Schedules to the end of Part IV.
12 and 13Parts V and VI and related Schedules to the end of the Bill.
New Clauses.
Schedule 20.
New Schedules.

Supplemental

2.—(1) At a Sitting of the Standing Committee at which any Proceedings are so to be brought to a conclusion the Chairman shall not adjourn the Committee under any Order relating to the Sittings of the Committee unless the Proceedings have been brought to a conclusion.

(2) In Proceedings on the Bill in the Standing Committee:—

  • (a) no Motion shall be made relating to the sitting of the Committee except by a Member of the Government, and the Chairman shall permit a brief explanatory statement of the reasons for the Motion from the Member who moves, and from the Member who opposes, the Motion, and shall then put the Question thereon,
  • (b) no Motion shall be made to postpone any Clause, Schedule, new Clause or new Schedule,
  • (c) no dilatory Motion shall be made except by a Member of the Government, and the Question on any such Motion shall be put forthwith.
  • (3) On the conclusion of the Proceedings in the Standing Committee on the Bill the Chairman shall report the Bill to the House without putting any Question.

    3.—(1) For the purpose of bringing to a conclusion any Proceedings in accordance with these recommendations which have not previously been brought to a conclusion, the Chairman shall forthwith proceed to put the following questions (but no others), that is to say: —

  • (a) the question or questions already proposed from the Chair, or necessary to bring to a decision a question so proposed (including, in the case of a new Clause or new Schedule which has been read a second time, the question that the Clause or Schedule be added to the Bill);
  • (b) the question on any amendment or Motion standing on the Order Paper in the name of any Member, if that amendment or Motion is moved by a Member of the Government;
  • (c) any other question necessary for the disposal of the business to be concluded,
    • and on a Motion so moved for a new Clause or a new Schedule, the Chairman shall put only the question that the Clause or Schedule be added to the Bill.

    4. That the Business Committee do meet again to make further recommendations as to the Proceedings on any recommittal and on report.

    Report to lie upon the Table.