Written Answers Written Answers To Questions Wednesday, 11th November, 1970 Scotland Stonehouse (Proposed Development) 31. Mrs. Hart asked the Secretary of State for Scotland if it is his intention to make the East Kilbride Development Corporation responsible for the planning and construction of the proposed new town development at Stonehouse. Mr. Younger My right hon. Friend is considering the proposals for a development at Stonehouse, and in doing so he is bearing in mind the possibility mentioned by the right hon. Lady. Unemployment 32. Mrs. Hart asked the Secretary of State for Scotland what discussions he has had with the Scottish Economic Planning Council about the present level of unemployment in Scotland. Mr. Gordon Campbell Two meetings of the lull Council have taken place since I took office and I raised this subject on each occasion. Mr. William Hamilton asked the Secretary of State for Scotland if he will publish a detailed breakdown of the allocation of the £1½ million, as between functions and local authorities, to be allotted for the immediate purpose of alleviating unemployment in the winter months; and how soon the money will be allocated to the various authorities concerned. Mr. Gordon Campbell Of the £1½ million, it is intended to apply £1 million to trunk road maintenance and the remainder to work on hospitals, social work projects, agriculture and further education colleges, the demolition of air raid shelters, and improving the environment of some of the Scottish Special Housing Association's older schemes. The allocations to spending authorities are not yet complete. Ninewells Hospital, Dundee 39. Mr. Doig asked the Secretary of State for Scotland if he will now give an estimate of the total cost of Ninewells Hospital in Dundee; and his latest estimate of when it will be completed. Mr. Edward Taylor The March, 1970, estimate of the cost of Ninewells Hospital, including fees and equipment, was £17 million. The possible effect upon this estimate of current arbitration between the Eastern Regional Hospital Board and the contractors cannot be assessed. On completion date, I have nothing to add to my reply given to the hon. Gentleman on 15th July last.—[Vol. 803, c. 218.] Tayside Study Group Report 40. Mr. Doig asked the Secretary of State for Scotland what action he proposes to take on the Tayside Study Group Report made to him; and what financial assistance the Government are prepared to give. Mr. Younger My right hon. Friend has asked the local planning authorities in the area to let him have their views on the report by the end of November. He will consider Government assistance when he knows what the local authorities propose to do. Local Government (White Paper) 41. Mr. Grimond asked the Secretary of State for Scotland whether he will now announce his proposals for the reform of local government in Scotland. Mr. Gordon Campbell As stated in my reply on 8th July to the hon. Member for Greenock (Dr. Dickson Mabon) and my hon. Friend the Member for Ross and Cromarty (Mr. Gray), I hope it will be possible to produce a White Paper before the end of the year.—[Vol. 803, c. 664–5.] Glasgow (Doctors) Mr. William Hannan asked the Secretary of State for Scotland if he is aware that the north-west of Glasgow is becoming under-doctored and that general practitioners have difficulty in obtaining premises adequate and suitable as surgeries; and when a start will be made on the redevelopment of this area, and in particular when the construction of the two proposed health centres will commence. Mr. Gordon Campbell I have no information to suggest that the number of general practitioners providing services is inadequate to the needs of the area, though I understand there may be difficulties in finding suitable surgery accommodation. The timing of the redevelopment of the area as a whole is a matter for Glasgow Corporation, but my Department is now discussing possible sites for health centres for Maryhill and Possilpark. Depending on the outcome of local negotiations, I hope that construction work on them would start in about two years' time. Drug Taking (School Children) Mr. Coleman asked the Secretary of State for Scotland if, in view of the widespread concern at drug taking amongst school children, he will take steps to institute an investigation into the problem in the schools of Scotland, so as to identify the size of the problem and to make recommendations as to its solution. Mr. Gordon Campbell Inquiries earlier this year gave no reason to suppose that drug-taking is a serious problem in Scottish schools and, while I share the hon. Member's concern about misuse of drugs, I doubt whether a national survey in schools would serve a useful purpose at present. I will continue to watch the position carefully. Students (Grants) Mr. Gregor Mackenzie asked the Secretary of State for Scotland if he will review the position of grants to students of colleges of domestic science who have exceptionally heavy expenses not presently covered by the existing allowance arrangements. Mr. Gordon Campbell This matter will be considered as part of the general review of students' grants which was announced on 29th October. Primary Schools Mr. Gregor Mackenzie asked the Secretary of State for Scotland how many additional new places will be provided for children in primary schools between 1972 and 1975 in Scotland and Lanarkshire as a result of the policy changes announced in Command Paper No. 4515. Mr. Gordon Campbell The additional resources will be used for the improvement and replacement of primary schools as well as the provision of additional places to enable class sizes to be reduced. Until the projects to be started have been decided, after consultation with education authorities, it will not be possible to give the number of additional places that will be provided. Mr. Rankin asked the Secretary of State for Scotland what number of fully qualified teachers are still required to enable all primary schools to be fully staffed on the basis of a class roll not exceeding 40. Mr. Gordon Campbell About 800 would be needed to implement the staffing standards proposed in my Department's circular of 29th April. These standards would give at most an average class size of 35 and would make classes of 40 unlikely. Mr. William Hamilton asked the Secretary of State for Scotland how many new primary schools were built in the five years 1964 to 1969; what was the comparable figure for the previous five years; how many are currently being built; how many are expected to be completed in 1970; and what is the estimate of completions in 1971, 1972, 1973 and 1974. Mr. Gordon Campbell Two hundred and fifty-nine schools were completed in the five years 1965 to 1969, and 168 in the previous five years; 43 were under construction at the end of June, 1970, and I estimate that completions in 1970 will total 36. Completions of primary schools cannot be estimated beyond 1970. Nursery Schools Mr. Gregor Mackenzie asked the Secretary of State for Scotland whether it is his intention to expand the nursery school building programme between 1972 and 1975; and if he will make a statement. Mr. Gordon Campbell Under the Urban Aid Programme introduced in 1968, approval has been given to the provision of over 1,000 new nursery places in areas of special social need in Scotland. Proposals for 300 places are now under consideration and I hope to approve further proposals as the programme continues. Further developments will take place as resources permit. Older Houses (Modernisation) Mr. Gregor Mackenzie asked the Secretary of State for Scotland if he will continue the policy of giving grants for the modernisation of the older houses in Scotland as set out in the 1969 Act; and if he will make a statement. Mr. Gordon Campbell Yes. I attach great importance to the improvement of existing houses and I shall continue to give this every encouragement. Police Mr. Sillars asked the Secretary of State for Scotland what representations he has received from the Scottish Police Federation on police pay and conditions; and what replies he has sent. Mr. Gordon Campbell I have received one representation from a branch board of the Scottish Police Federation in my capacity as a constituency Member and I have replied to the board in that capacity. Three right hon. and hon. Members have written to me enclosing a memorandum prepared by the Police Federations setting out their case for higher pay. I have replied that in the Police Council, established by Parliament, the Police Federation has negotiating machinery which provides ample opportunity for them to state and argue their case, and that the Official Side of the Council is equally concerned with the efficiency of the police service. Mr. Sillars asked the Secretary of State for Scotland what steps he is taking to improve the morale and efficiency of the police in Scotland. Mr. Gordon Campbell The police service have my full backing in carrying out their difficult duties. In conjunction with police authorities, I propose to see that they are provided with the best equipment available, and an extensive programme of new police building is planned. I have announced my intention to review police establishments; a joint recruiting campaign is planned; pay is under review; and with the help of the police associations I shall keep up to date the regulations affecting police conditions of service. M90 Motorway Mr. William Hamilton asked the Secretary of State for Scotland if he will consider the siting of telephones along that section of the M90 motorway which runs through Fife. Mr. Gordon Campbell Yes. Starting in 1972, a new combined emergency telephone and automatic traffic warning system will be installed on the M90. Clyde Planning Mr. Gregor Mackenzie asked the Secretary of State for Scotland if he will make a statement on arrangements for planning in the Clyde Valley. Mr. Gordon Campbell I have set up the West Central Scotland Plan Steering Committee to prepare and keep up to date an advisory economic and physical plan for the area. This plan is intended to serve as a guide to local planning authorities in preparing their development plans, and as the framework for decisions by developers. The Committee comprises representatives of central and local government and persons with particular economic and industrial knowledge of the area. It has a permanent staff and an annual budget of up to £100,000. Commercial Properties (Rating) Mr. Gregor Mackenzie asked the Secretary of State for Scotland if he will publish his findings on the rating of commercial properties in Scotland. Mr. Gordon Campbell I would refer the hon. Member to the reply I gave to the hon. Member for Clackmannan and East Stirlingshire (Mr. Douglas) on 28th October.—[Vol. 805, c. 148.] Tayside Study Mr. MacArthur asked the Secretary of State for Scotland what consultations he has held with local authorities regarding the implementation of the Tayside Study; and if he will make a statement. Mr. Gordon Campbell I have asked the planning authorities to consult the other local authorities in the area about the proposals made in the Study, and to let me have their views by the end of this month. I am sure that the Report is being very carefully considered by all concerned. Licensing Law (Reform) Mr. William Hamilton asked the Secretary of State for Scotland what is his policy regarding a reform of the licensing law. Mr. Gordon Campbell I am aware that there is fairly widespread dissatisfaction with various aspects of the existing law, but that opinions vary on the kind of changes that might be made. I am considering what action to take. Secondary Schools (Size Of Classes) Mr. Brewis asked the Secretary of State for Scotland what proposals he has for reducing the size of classes in secondary schools. Mr. Gordon Campbell I am at present reviewing the whole question of staffing standards in secondary schools but it will be some time yet before the results are available. Scottish Hospital Advisory Service Mr. Brewis asked the Secretary of State for Scotland what has been the cost to date of the Scottish Hospital Advisory Service. Mr. Gordon Campbell The cost of the service from its inception on 1st April, 1970, to 30th September, 1970, was approximately £12,500. Prescription Charges Mr. William Hamilton asked the Secretary of State for Scotland what was the total amount collected in prescription charges in each of the last eight years; and how much he estimates will be collected in each year up to 1974–75. Mr. Gordon Campbell The National Health Service (Scotland) Accounts for the years 1962–63 to 1968–69 contain figures of prescription charges collected in these years. Income in 1969–70 and 1970–71 is estimated at about £1·8 million in each year. I am not yet able to give estimates for later years. Teachers Mr. Eadie asked the Secretary of State for Scotland what new steps he now proposes to deal with the teacher shortage in Scotland. Mr. Gordon Campbell By next session, the number of primary teachers forecast to be available should match the requirements of the schools although there may be local difficulties. In secondary schools, a shortage will persist and no single measure is likely to provide a remedy. As an indication of the steps that are being taken, I am sending the hon. Gentleman a copy of Circular 762 issued in July of this year. Quinquennial Revaluation Mr. Eadie asked the Secretary of State for Scotland if he will take steps to delay the quinquennial revaluation of properties in Scotland. Mr. Gordon Campbell No. Western Heritable Investment Co Ltd Mr. Gregor Mackenzie asked the Secretary of State for Scotland how much public money has been paid to the Western Heritable Investment Company Limited in the form of housing subsidies and improvement grants; and if he will make a statement. Mr. Gordon Campbell £2·7 million in annual subsidies over 40 years under the Housing (Financial Provisions) (Scotland) Act, 1924. No improvement grants have been paid. University Graduates (Payment) Mr. Gregor Mackenzie asked the Secretary of State for Scotland what action he proposes to take on the General Teaching Council's proposal that university graduates should be paid during their training period. Mr. Gordon Campbell I have only recently received the Council's proposal. I shall consider it carefully. Emigration Mr. William Hamilton asked the Secretary of State for Scotland if he will publish in the OFFICIAL REPORT the estimates of net numbers emigrating from Scotland to other parts of the United Kingdom and overseas, respectively, in each of the last eight years up to 6th June, 1970. Mr. Gordon Campbell Estimates of the net numbers emigrating from Scotland to other parts of the United Kingdom and overseas are to be found for each of the seven years to the year ending 30th June, 1969, in the Digest of Scottish Statistics for April, 1970. It is estimated that the net numbers emigrating to other parts of the United Kingdom and overseas during the year ending 30th June, 1970, were 8,000 and 13,000 respectively. New Houses Mr. Rankin asked the Secretary of State for Scotland how many new houses will be completed by the end of 1970 and ready for occupation; and what will be the number still on the waiting list at the same date. Mr. Gordon Campbell About 33,500 houses were completed in the first nine months of 1970; I cannot say how many more will be completed in the last quarter. I am asking local authorities for information about outstanding housing needs. Motorway (Glasgow—Edinburgh) Mr. Rankin asked the Secretary of State for Scotland when the motorway between Glasgow and Edinburgh will be completed. Mr. Gordon Campbell I would refer the hon. Gentleman to the Reply given to his earlier Question today. Highlands And Islands Development Board Mr. William Hamilton asked the Secretary of State for Scotland if he will remove from the Highlands and Islands Development Board that member who indicated that the Board is indifferent to the welfare of the Western Isles. Mr. Gordon Campbell I have no evidence that any member of the Board has given any indication so contrary to the Board's policies. Public Expenditure And Social Services Mr. William Hamilton asked the Secretary of State for Scotland if he will publish in the OFFICIAL REPORT, or in the form of a White Paper, statistics showing how, and by what amounts, the cuts in public expenditure and increased charges for social services as set out in Command Paper Number 4515 specifically affect Scotland. Mr. Gordon Campbell The next in the annual Treasury series of White Papers on Public Expenditure will include a table relating to Scotland similar to Table 2.23 of Command 4234. Housing Subsidies Mr. William Hamilton asked the Secretary of State for Scotland what are the minimum and maximum reductions in the total housing subsidies which he aims to achieve within the figures of £100 million to £200 million for the United Kingdom as a whole, as indicated in Command Paper Number 4515, New Policies of Public Spending. Mr. Gordon Campbell My aim is not to reduce the current level of subsidies but to ensure that subsidies in future go to those who need them. The amount of money required for this purpose will depend on the detailed arrangements we are to discuss with the local authority associations. School Meals Mr. James Hamilton asked the Secretary of State for Scotland what steps he is taking to advise parents of their rights as regards school meals; and if he will make a statement. Mr. Gordon Campbell There will be a general publicity campaign about the improved entitlements of those with low incomes. It will include advice about the more favourable conditions for the remission of charges for school meals which the Government intend to introduce. Civil Service Ministers (Emoluments) 36 and 37. Mr. Arthur Lewis asked the Minister for the Civil Service (1) whether, in his legislative proposals to ensure that taxpayers who draw subsidies for housing whilst they are able to afford to pay the economic rents, pay the market rent, he will arrange that Ministers of the Crown who receive 100 per cent. subsidies and charge rent for their private properties have off-set against their subsidies the rents which accrue due to having ministerial residences;(2) whether he is aware that, in addition to having the use of accommodation and services costing as much as £2,650 per annum, Ministers are allowed to let off their private residences; and whether he will introduce legislation to claim back these amounts from Ministers;(3) whether, in his proposals to deal with housing and subsidies and fair rents, he will end the situation whereby Ministers receive 100 per cent. subsidies on the cost of their rents, rates and service charges, and ensure that such Ministers are charged an economic rent for their properties on a rebate system, similar to that as proposed for council rents. Mr. David Howell No. There is a long-standing convention that no contributions should be required of Ministers in respect of official residential accommodation which is allocated because of their public duties and not their private needs. It would in any case be impossible to assess a realistic rental for this type of accommodation. Business Advisers 38. Mr. Sheldon asked the Minister for the Civil Service how many outside advisers have been appointed to Her Majesty's Government. Mr. William Hamilton asked the Minister for the Civil Service if he will make a further statement on the appointment of outside business advisers to Her Majesty's Government. Mr. David Howell No further appointments have yet been made beyond the six members of the business team and the special adviser already announced. The following contributions are being made from public funds to the companies concerned for the services of the businessmen:Full-time: Mr. R. East—Guest Keen and Nettlefolds Ltd.—£12,500; Mr. R. Hutton—Hambros Bank—£13,694; Mr. R. A. Meyjes—Shell International Petroleum Co., Ltd.—£19,000; Mr. D. G. Rayner—Marks & Spencer Ltd.—£12,500. Part-time: Mr. A. Fogg—P.A. Management Consultants Ltd.—£12,450 for the first 12 months; Mr. K. F. Lane—Rio Tinto-Zinc Corporation Ltd.—£6,750 for the first nine months. Central Policy Review Staff Mr. Sheldon asked the Minister for the Civil Service if he will make a statement on the composition of the Central Capability Unit. Mr. David Howell I have nothing to add to the reply my right hon. Friend the Prime Minister gave to the hon. Member for Rutherglen (Mr. Gregor Mackenzie) on the 5th November.—[Vol. 805, c. 1261.] Aviation Supply Airbus Project 42. Mr. Barry Jones asked the Minister of Aviation Supply whether he will make a statement on Her Majesty's Government's policy towards the European Airbus project. Mr. David Price My right hon. Friend is not yet in a position to add to the answer he gave to the hon. Member for Glasgow, Govan (Mr. Rankin) on Monday, 9th November.—[Vol. 806, c. 35.] Concorde (Fairford Base) Mr. Adley asked the Minister of Aviation Supply if he will give an assurance that the Concorde base at Fairford will be maintained. Mr. Corfield B.A.C. with our agreement is planning to make Fairford the centre of its Concorde test operations. European Space Conference Mr. Michael McNair-Wilson asked the Minister of Aviation Supply if he will report on the outcome of the European Space Conference in Brussels on 4th November. Mr. Corfield The Fourth Ministerial European Space Conference was held in two parts. The first session was held in July when the Conference agreed that a mission headed by its President, the Belgian Minister of Scientific Policy and Planning, Mr. Lefevre, should explore with the Government of the United States of America the political, financial and other conditions for possible European participation in the post-Apollo programme. Expenditure of up to $2·5 million to June, 1971 (United Kingdom share £0·23 million) on studies of possible forms of participation in the programme was also authorised.A proposal for a unified European Space Organisation to replace the four existing organisations was approved and a working group set up to draft a convention.Agreement was reached on the financial resources to be made available during 1971 for studies and pre-development work on applications satellites, with priority being given to a telecommunications satellite. Decisions to proceed to the next stage would be dependent on the outcome of the studies. In the field of scientific research, financial arrangements were agreed for the period up to the end of 1973 inclusive. In addition France, Germany and Belgium agreed to continue the current programme for the development of Europa I and Europa II launchers; to construct up to six vehicles for potential customers and to start the development of the more powerful Europa III.The United Kingdom, which had previously negotiated a limitation to its financial commitments to the EUROPA I and II development programmes, did not undertake further commitments in respect of launchers but agreed to continue its support of the scientific programme and to pay its share of the agreed applications satellite programme.Because at least all major contributors could not agree to participate in all parts of the programme reservations were made by some Member States. In particular, the French Government subordinated its consent to the establishment of a unified European Space Organisation to agreement being reached on the adoption of a comprehensive space programme.The Second Session of the Conference was held in Brussels on 4th November, to consider the report by Mr. Lefevre on his mission to the United States. The United States had welcomed European participation in the development of a reusable shuttle and space tug, the development of which would cost, on current estimates, about $10,000 million over the next ten years. In return for a European contribution of at least 10 per cent. of the cost the United States would undertake to supply launchings to Europe for all peaceful purposes consistent with existing international agreements from the start of the development programme. European countries could therefore, if they so wished, abandon the development of an independent launching capability and instead participate in the post-Apollo programme.The United States is not yet committed to carrying out a post-Apollo programme. Indeed Congress has yet to decide whether to vote the necessary funds. Studies are expected to be available in the middle of next year which will define the programme and give a more realistic estimate of the cost and timescale.In the course of the meeting in Brussels the Belgian, French and German delegations made it clear that they wished to participate in a comprehensive European Space Programme including applications satellites, scientific satellites and launchers. They wished to continue to examine the possibility of participating in the post-Apollo programme while continuing their European launcher programme including studies and pre-development work for EUROPA III, costing some $35 million up to the end of 1971, in case the plans for joining in the post-Apollo programme could not be brought to fruition. Participation by the United Kingdom would have involved paying a share of the EUROPA III studies (which it was claimed could be so arranged as to be in part useful for the post-Apollo programme) and an implied commitment to paying a share in the full costs of the post Apollo programme if satisfactory arrangements (which were left undefined) could be negotiated.The cost of participation in a heavy satellite launcher programme is high in relation to the limited number of launchings at present foreseen and it is not possible to assess at present either the costs or potential benefits of participation in the post-Apollo programme. There is, moreover, no reason to suppose that present ad hoc arrangements for the supply of launchings will be discontinued. Her Majesty's Government has been examining projects in all fields, both national and international, more realistically than ever before with a view to optimising the benefits in relation to resources and therefore felt unable to enter into any additional commitments in respect of the launcher programmes, particularly open ended commitments. The commitments previously accepted in the July session of the Conference were however endorsed. At the end of the meeting the German Delegation, supported by the Belgian and French Delegations, suggested that all Member States should decide by 31st December, 1970, whether they are prepared to support a programme comprising a scientific part, an applications part and a launcher programme which, it was claimed, could be formulated in such a way as to enable it to be adapted to the post-Apollo programme. Those countries willing to support this programme would continue discussions on collaboration with the United States, submit proposals for reorganising the structure required for implementing their agreed programme and establish ad hoc machinery whereby other countries could be associated with particular parts of the programme in which they might be interested. The effect of such a proposal, if it is pursued, on existing European Space Organisations cannot at present be determined. Local Government And Development Houses (Demolition In Urban Areas) 43. Mr. David Stoddart asked the Secretary of State for the Environment what is the estimated number of houses that will be demolished annually over the next five years in towns and cities in the United Kingdom to make way for urban road building and improvements. Mr. Graham Page This information is not readily available. Highways Grants System 45. Mr. Thomas Cox asked the Secretary of State for the Environment if, in view of the high cost of road improvments faced by local authorities, he will review the present highways grants system. Mr. Graham Page No. London Underground (Extension) 46. Mr. Spearing asked the Secretary of State for the Environment if he has yet received any application from the Greater London Council for contributions of capital funds for the proposed Fleet Line; and if he will make a statement. 57. Mr. Thomas Cox asked the Secretary of State for the Environment what proposals he has now received for capital expenditure on the London Underground. 59. Mr. Selwyn Gummer asked the Secretary of State for the Environment what requests for capital expenditure on the future Underground lines in London have been received from the Greater London Council. 72. Mr. Moyle asked the Secretary of State for the Environment whether he has now received a proposal from the Greater London Council for the extension of the Fleet Line into South East London; and whether he will make a statement. Mr. Michael Heseltine The Government has been asked to pay capital grants towards the cost of extending the Piccadilly Line to Heathrow and of the Fleet Line.The decision on the Heathrow Link was published on 6th November. I am in consultation with the G.L.C. about the Fleet Line. Humber Bridge 47. Mr. McNamara asked the Secretary of State for the Environment if he will make a further statement on the future of the Humber Bridge project. Mr. Michael Heseltine I have nothing to add to the reply I gave my hon. Friend the Member for Haltemprice (Mr. Wall) and the hon. Member for Kingston upon Hull, West (Mr. James Johnson) on 4th November.—[Vol. 805, c. 1056–8.] Lancashire-Yorkshire Motorway (Hull Extension) 48. Mr. McNamara asked the Secretary of State for the Environment whether he will now announce the extension of the Lancashire-Yorkshire motorway to Hull. Mr. Michael Heseltine Reports from recently completed investigation reached me only last month and careful study is needed before I can decide what form of improved road access is necessary between Hull and the present planned terminal of M62 at Balkholme. Malton (Bypass) 51. Mr. Turton asked the Secretary of State for the Environment if he will make a statement on the Malton bypass on the A64. Mr. Michael Heseltine After consultation with the local authorities concerned, the eastern junction has been re-designed and an amended Firm Programme Report is expected by the end of the year. A further announcement about a place in the programme should follow early in 1971. Bishop Auckland (Bypass) 52. Mr. Boyden asked the Secretary of State for the Environment when he proposes to authorise the start of the construction of the Bishop Auckland bypass. Mr. Michael Heseltine This is a principal road scheme. Its progress therefore depends primarily on how quickly Durham County Council, the responsible highway authority, can prepare it. Road Programme 53. Mr. Boyden asked the Secretary of State for the Environment what alterations he is making in the road programme in the financial year 1971–72. Mr. Graham Page Spending next year on the road programme of motorway, trunk and principal road improvements will be unaffected by the new policies for public spending outlined in the White Paper Cmnd. 4515. However, the exceptional progress made on some motorway schemes this year may reduce the incidence of payments on these schemes in 1971–72. Motorway Service Areas (Disabled Persons) 55. Mr. Ashley asked the Secretary of State for the Environment what special provision is made for disabled persons in motorway service areas. Mr. Graham Page Special lavatories and ramped accesses have been mandatory in tenders invited since 1966. M11 (Route) 56. Mr. Biggs-Davison asked the Secretary of State for the Environment what decision he has made on the route to be followed by the M11. Mr. Michael Heseltine As announced on 4th September the published route in the Roding Valley was confirmed with certain minor modifications described in the announcement. Roads (Kerb Heights) 66. Mr. Evelyn King asked the Secretary of State for the Environment if, in the interests of disabled persons, he will advise local authorities not to erect kerbs of more than four inches in height. Mr. Graham Page Advice that kerbs should be about four inches high is given in the Department's design manual entitled "Roads in Urban Areas". Freightliner Traffic (Soundproofing Of Homes) 68. Mr. Kaufman asked the Secretary of State for the Environment if he will introduce legislation to provide for financial payment to assist in the sound-proofing of homes which have been severely affected by the passage nearby of freightliner traffic. Mr. Graham Page My right hon. Friend has such provision, with many others, under consideration in his extensive review of the compensation code. Motorway Development 70. Mr. Carter-Jones asked the Secretary of State for the Environment if he will appoint inspectors to see that contractors and resident engineers ensure that hardship and suffering caused to residents in the area of motorway development is kept to a minimum; if he will reconsider policy regarding compensation; and if he will make a statement. Mr. Graham-Page No. Highway authorities, including my Department already do their best to keep disturbance caused by large-scale road works to a minimum. If residents near motorway works think there is unnecessary disturbance they should bring their complaint to the immediate notice of my Department or, if it is a principal road motorway, to the notice of the responsible local highway authority.Compensation policy is currently under an extensive and thorough review. London Underground (Epping—Ongar Section) 73. Mr. Biggs-Davison asked the Secretary of State for the Environment whether he has now received London Transport's application to close the Epping-Ongar section of the underground railway; and how much grant aid, under the Transport Act, 1968, he estimates is required to keep the line open. 88. Mr. Tebbit asked the Secretary of State for the Environment what is the amount of grant aid under the Transport Act, 1968, that will be needed to keep open the Epping-Ongar line. Mr. Michael Heseltine The proposal is now being examined in accordance with the normal statutory procedures. The question of grant would arise only after a decision to refuse closure. 89. Mr. Tebbit asked the Secretary of State for the Environment if he will order an inquiry into the proposed closure of Epping-Ongar Railway. Mr. Michael Heseltine No. I am satisfied that the normal statutory procedures, which will include a public hearing by the Transport Users' Consultative Committee, are sufficient. M4 Motorway 75. Mr. Gurden asked the Secretary of State for the Environment on what date he expects each stage of the M4 motorway to be completed. Mr. Michael Heseltine I expect all stages to be completed by the end of 1971. It is too early to say whether any parts completed earlier can be opened in advance of the remainder. Mini-Bus Services (Rural Areas) 77. Mr. Brocklebank-Fowler asked the Secretary of State for the Environment if he will seek powers to encourage the establishment of private mini-bus services in those rural areas where the existing public services are inadequate. Mr. Michael Heseltine These services can already be provided under present legislation and, should they not pay their way, can receive the encouragement of a grant to which both central and local government contribute. I hope that the pilot studies of rural transport now under way in Devon and West Suffolk will yield more information about the scope for such services. M3 Extension (Itchen Valley) 79. Rear-Admiral Morgan-Giles asked the Secretary of State for the Environment what consideration he gave to the report of the Landscape Committee when making his decision to route the M3 extension through the Itchen Valley. Mr. Graham Page The report of the Landscape Advisory Committee was one of the factors taken into account in selecting the proposed route. Derelict Land (Northern Region) 81. Mr. Willey asked the Secretary of State for the Environment whether he will make a statement on the progress being made on the clearance of derelict land in the Northern Region. Mr. Graham Page In the Northern Region during the twelve months ending 31st March, 1970, 22 schemes covering 550 acres at an estimated gross cost of £1,006,817 were given final approval by the Department allowing work to start. The figures for the 6 months ending 30th September, 1970, were 21 schemes covering 377 acres at an estimated gross cost of £715,752. Industrial Effluent 82. Mr. Leadbitter asked the Secretary of State for the Environment (1) if he will take steps to encourage local authorities to prevent industries from discharging polluted effluent in their areas; (2) what recent steps he has taken to protect rivers and beaches from the polluting effluent of firms; and what discussions he has had with managements to encourage them to meet the full cost of disposal and provide alternative methods of dealing with waste products. Mr. Graham-Page Local authorities control discharges of trade effluents into their sewers; river authorities control discharges into non-tidal rivers and some discharges into estuaries; and in both cases the dischargers have certain rights of appeal to me. Parliament having made the local bodies primarily responsible for these controls, I do not discuss waste disposal with individual firms, though my technical officers are sometimes present by invitation at their meetings with the local bodies. Furthermore, as the standard required of an effluent needs to be determined in the light of local factors, including the dilution available in the receiving water and its quality and subsequent use, I think that it must generally be left to the river authority.There is no general statutory control of other discharges to estuaries or of discharges to the sea. The need for this and to make industrialists meet the full cost of treatment are the subject of recommendations in the report of the Working Party on Sewage Disposal, which I am at present considering. Kirton 85. Mr. Body asked the Secretary of State for the Environment whether he will delay any compulsory purchase order for land in the parish of Kirton until consultations have taken place with the Kirton Parish Council or the Rural District Council about his proposed changes in the centre of Kirton. Mr. Graham Page Yes. There was a meeting yesterday between the divisional road engineer and all the interested local authorities. Trunk Roads (Sanitary Installations) Mr. Awdry asked the Secretary of State for the Environment whether he has completed his study of the reports received in January this year on the operation of the 34 sanitary installations along certain stretches of trunk roads; and what conclusions he has reached. Mr. Graham Page A draft report on this scheme is being drawn up. When complete this can be a basis for further consideration with all interested parties. Northern Region (Roads) Mr. Leadbitter asked the Secretary of State for the Environment how many miles of motorway were constructed between 1958 and 1964, and 1964 and 1970 in the Northern Region; and how many miles are under construction at present. Mr. Graham Page 1958–64 (inclusive) nil.1965-to date 83 miles.There are 19 miles of motorway under construction in the Region. Mr. Armstrong asked the Secretary of State for the Environment what was the public expenditure on roads in the Northern Region in the years ending 31st March, 1964, and 31st March, 1970, respectively; and what is the proposed expenditure for the years ending 31st March, 1972, and 31st March, 1973. Mr. Graham Page Public expenditure on road construction in the Northern Economic Planning Region for 1963–64 and 1969–70 was £9 million and £45·4 million respectively at out-turn prices*.The level of expenditure in 1971–72 and 1972–73 cannot be forecast precisely at this stage but is expected to be of the same order as for 1969–70. * These figures exclude land and road maintenance costs which are not readily available. Fire-Damaged Houses (Rebuilding) Mr. Evelyn King asked the Secretary of State for the Environment if he will seek powers to ensure that when a man's house is accidentally burnt down he may, if he wishes, restore it without asking the consent of the planning authorities; and how many cases have been reported to him over the last three years in which county planning authorities have in such circumstances refused consent to re-build. Mr. Graham Page Records are not kept which would provide a reliable figure in answer to the second half of the question. The fact that only a very small number of appeals against refusal of planning permission or even of reports of difficulty in such cases have been made to the Department would appear to suggest that this is a matter in which local planning authorities exercise the existing powers with full regard to the circumstances of each case. If my hon. Friend has evidence to the contrary I will be glad to examine it. Mersey Tunnel (Finance) Mr. Tilney asked the Secretary of State for the Environment if he will make financial arrangements to assist the Mersey Tunnel Joint Committee with a view to reducing the proposed rise in tolls. Mr. Graham Page We are considering the request which the Tunnel Committee recently made for help in their financial arrangements but they have already been told that there is no prospect of direct assistance from the Government. M11 (Route) Mr. Biggs-Davison asked the Secretary of State for the Environment what further objections have been received to his choice of the Roding Valley route for the M11; what compulsory purchase orders have been issued; when work on the motorway will begin and be completed; and whether he will make a statement. Mr. Graham Page Since the announcement of my right hon. Friend's decision on 4th September, 1970 no further formal objections to the choice have been received but there have been a Notice of Motion to the High Court (on a matter other than that choice) and several expressions of disappointment from residents' associations. River Tees (Barnard Castle Bridge) Mr. Boyden asked the Secretary of State for the Environment what steps he is taking to provide a new bridge across the Tees at Barnard Castle to replace the existing one which is dangerous and inadequate for present-day traffic. Mr. Graham Page This is a matter for the Durham and North Riding County Councils who are the highway authorities jointly responsible. If they submit proposals for a new bridge it will be considered for a place in the principal roads preparation list. South Mimms-Hatfield Road Sir R. Russell asked the Secretary of State for the Environment when the dualling of the five-mile single carriageway stretch of the A.1 between South Mimms and Hatfield will be completed. Mr. Graham Page Preparation of the scheme has not reached a stage at which a definite date can be set. Schoolchildren (Fares) Mr. James Hamilton asked the Secretary of State for the Environment if he will take steps to ensure that children over the age of 15 years are allowed to travel to school at children's fares; and if he will make a statement. Mr. Graham Page No. Transport Industries British Railways Workshops 44. Mr. David Stoddart asked the Secretary of State for the Environment in the light of the profit of £70,000 on work for outside parties by British Railways workshops, as revealed in the British Railways Board Annual Report and Accounts for 1969, if he will issue a general direction to the British Railways Board to maintain and extend operations in this field. Mr. Peyton I am reviewing the manufacturing activities of British Railways under Section 48 of the Transport Act, 1968. Trains (Telephone Connections) 49. Dr. Gilbert asked the Secretary of State for the Environment if he will give a general direction to British Railways to introduce public telephone connections on to passenger trains operating in the intercity services. Mr. Eldon Griffiths No. Speed Limits 50. Dr. Gilbert asked the Secretary of State for the Environment if he will seek powers to impose temporary speed limits on new roads and on roads with altered classifications, where appropriate, and where local authorities have failed to apply in good time for such restrictions; and if he will make a statement. Mr. Peyton I already have adequate powers. 78. Mr. William Price asked the Secretary of State for the Environment what recent discussions he has had with motoring organisations over the 70 miles per hour speed limit on motorways. Mr. Peyton I am frequently in touch with the motoring organisations and am aware of their views on this subject. Mr. Rankin asked the Secretary of State for the Environment if he will reduce the speed limit for buses and coaches on general purpose roads from 50 miles per hour to 40 miles per hour, and when drawing trailers from 40 miles per hour to 30 miles per hour on general purpose roads and from 50 miles per hour to 40 miles per hour on motorways, as from 1st January, 1971, as a contribution towards reducing the increasing number of persons now being killed or injured on the roads. Mr. Peyton No. Mr. Gregor Mackenzie asked the Secretary of State for the Environment what representations he has received from the Pedestrians' Association concerning the 70 miles per hour speed limit; and what reply he has sent. Mr. Eldon Griffiths I am sending the hon. Member a copy of the letter and the reply. Channel Tunnel 54. Mrs. Renée Short asked the Secretary of State for the Environment if he will make a further statement on the proposed Channel Tunnel. Mr. Peyton I would refer the hon. Member to the answer I gave to my hon. Friend the Member for Hastings (Mr. Warren) and the hon. Member for Ashton-under-Lyne (Mr. Sheldon) on 4th November. Drivers (Hours Of Work) 58. Mr. Farr asked the Secretary of State for the Environment if, in view of the difficulties facing the smaller bus companies which are privately operated when the limitation on drivers' working hours comes into effect, he will seek to change the limitation to one on the number of hours of daily driving rather than the number of hours of daily work. Mr. Peyton I am reviewing the drivers' hours requirements generally. Evidence received from the bus operators' Associations shows that the present restrictions have hampered services and that substantial relaxations are necessary in the interests of the travelling public. I shall consult both sides of the industry about any changes. National Bus Company 60. Mr. Normanton asked the Secretary of State for the Environment if he will issue a general direction to the National Bus Company to improve its operating standards and to hold its fares at their present levels. Mr. Eldon Griffiths No. The National Bus Company are aware of their managerial responsibilities including the improvement of their operations. Fares must reflect cost increases, but they are subject to the statutory control of the Traffic Commissioners. 65. Mr. Cormack asked the Secretary of State for the Environment if he will take steps to wind up the National Bus Company. Mr. Eldon Griffiths No. Hull (Capital Developments) 61. Mr. Prescott asked the Secretary of State for the Environment what capital projects for the development of Hull's freightliner terminal he has approved. Mr. Peyton I would refer the hon. Member to my reply of 4th November given to the hon. Member for Kingston upon Hull, West (Mr. James Johnson)—[Vol. 805, c. 1059–60.] Motor Vehicle Passengers (Insurance) 62. Mr. Clinton Davis asked the Secretary of State for the Environment whether, following his consideration of this matter, he will introduce legislation to require compulsory insurance for passengers carried in motor vehicles and, in particular, for pillion passengers on motorcycles. Mr. Peyton Having carefully considered the views of all interested parties, I have decided that there is a strong case for making passenger liability insurance compulsory. I recognise the particular problem involved in motor-cyclists and their passengers, and propose to invite insurers and the motorcycle interests to discuss this with me with a view to considering the terms of legislation. In principle, there seems a good case for exempting mopeds from any requirement for passenger insurance. Ports (Vehicle Weights) 63. Mr. Spearing asked the Secretary of State for the Environment what arrangements are made at roll-on roll-off berths at British ports for the weighing of vehicles arriving from countries where the all-up and axle weight limits exceed those in this country. Mr. Eldon Griffiths Spot checks are carried out. Foreign vehicles are also subject to roadside checks. Road Safety 64. Mr. Longden asked the Secretary of State for the Environment what response has been made by the United Kingdom to the invitation to participate in the work of the North Atlantic Treaty Organisation's pilot project on Road Safety and meanwhile to provide relevant data. Mr. Eldon Griffiths The Government is participating in work to develop a standard method of recording road accident information and is working towards participation in work on safety features in car design. Mr. Rankin asked the Secretary of State for the Environment if he will strengthen the road safety provisions of the 1967 Act by introducing more inspectors to prevent accidents. Mr. Peyton No. Mr. Rankin asked the Secretary of State for the Environment in view of the fact that recent returns show an increase between 1959 and 1969 of 19,741 road casualties, what steps are being taken to reduce those figures. Mr. Peyton I am carrying out a review of possible road safety measures. I will announce my conclusions as soon as possible. Motorways (Anti-Dazzle Precaution) 67. Mr. Tilney asked the Secretary of State for the Environment what are his plans for the planting of anti-dazzle bushes along motorways as has been done in some European countries along the centre. Dr. Gilbert asked the Secretary of State for the Environment what proposals he has for screening traffic travelling in one direction on the M1 from the headlights of traffic coming in the other direction. Mr. Eldon Griffiths I have no plans at present for the erection of anti-dazzle screening on M1. Experiments with the use of such screening have so far proved inconclusive as improvements to road safety, but further trials are being considered. Nor do I plan the general introduction of anti-dazzle bushes. Experiments have been carried out with central reserve planting, but there are considerable difficulties in promoting the successful growth of shrubs and plants in the 13 feet reserve normally provided on motorways in this country. Railways (Manchester-Oldham-Rochdale Service) 74. Mr. Barnett asked the Secretary of State for the Environment if he will make a statement on his policy in view of the application by British Railways to close the Manchester-Oldham-Rochdale passenger rail service. Mr. Peyton I am reviewing my policy on unremunerative rail passenger services. Meanwhile each closure proposal will be considered individually on its merits. Road Fund Licences 71. Mr. Roger White asked the Secretary of State for the Environment if he will give details for the most convenient recent period of total revenue received in the collection of road fund licensing and also the cost of administration including that incurred by defaulters. Mr. Eldon Griffiths In the year ended 31st March, 1970, the revenue was £411 million. Administration costs were £9·8 million. Longbridge Lane, Northfield (Accidents) 69. Mr. Carter asked the Secretary of State for the Environment how many serious accidents have there been in Longbridge Lane, Northfield, Birmingham, during the past three-and-a-half years. Mr. Eldon Griffiths 25 in the 3½ years up to 30th September. Port Of Bristol (West Dock) 76. Mr. Palmer asked the Secretary of State for the Environment if he will now approve the scheme of the Port of Bristol Authority for a new West Dock. Mr. Peyton I hope to be able to announce my decision within the next week or so. Pedestrian Crossings 86. Mr. Kinsey asked the Secretary of State for the Environment if he will consider amending the Road Traffic Regulations Act, 1967, Sections 21 to 23, so as to give powers to local authorities to approve pedestrian crossings without referring to his Department. Mr. Eldon Griffiths Local authorities already have power to install zebra crossings within numerical quotas based on population. They are expected to follow the Department's criteria in deciding upon sites so that the safety value of zebras can be maintained. Birmingham (Lorry Parking) 87. Mr. Kinsey asked the Secretary of State for the Environment when he will approve appropriate signs banning lorry parking in Birmingham and its suburbs. Mr. Eldon Griffiths The new signs banning overnight parking on certain streets in the City, were issued on 10th November, after consultation with interested organisations. Unroadworthy Vehicle (Test Certificates) Mr. Bob Brown asked the Secretary of State for the Environment what steps he intends to take following the issue of Ministry of Transport test certificates in respect of an unroadworthy vehicle registration number ATJ 620A by a number of his authorised examiners. Mr. Eldon Griffiths Investigations have now been made into the allegations about wrongful issue of test certificates for this vehicle. In line with normal procedure the three garages concerned have been notified that withdrawal of their authorisation to test is contemplated and their comments have been invited. New Cars (Safety Requirements) Dr. Gilbert asked the Secretary of State for the Environment if he will introduce regulations to ensure that all new cars sold in this country have to pass safety requirements no less stringent than those obtaining in any part of Europe or North America; and if he will make a statement. Mr. Peyton No. Unlicensed Vehicles Mr. Arthur Lewis asked the Secretary of State for the Environment in view of the fact that the enforcement departments are refusing to take action on reports made to them by Members of Parliament and the general public of unlicensed road vehicles being used on the road illegally, whether he will seek power to compel the appropriate authority to deal with matters referred to them by the general public concerning licence enforcement. Mr. Eldon Griffiths I would refer the hon. Member to the answers I have sent him on 28th October.—[Vol. 805, c. 200, 120.] British Railways (Fares Structure) Mr. Gregor Mackenzie asked the Secretary of State for the Environment if, in the public interest, he will give a general direction to British Railways to revise the fares structure. Mr. Eldon Griffiths No. Goods Vehicle Weight Limits Mr. Spearing asked the Secretary of State for the Environment what consultations he held with outside bodies during the recent review of goods vehicle weight limits. Mr. Eldon Griffiths Proposals for increasing weight limits have been the subject of extensive consultations between the Department and local authorities, British Railways, the Police and many organisations concerned with road use, road safety and amenity. Crewe-Glasgow Line (Electrification) Mr. Dempsey asked the Secretary of State for the Environment if he will now give a starting and completion date and the estimated cost of electrifying that stretch of British Railways lying between Crewe and Glasgow; and if he will make a statement. Mr. Peyton The British Railways Board tell me that work has already started and that the target date for completion is May, 1974. The estimated cost, excluding the cost of locomotives, is £21·7 million. Mr B Pearson (Driving Licence) Mr. Hardy asked the Secretary of State for the Environment whether he will make arrangements to allow Mr. B. Pearson of Bevan Crescent, Maltby, Yorkshire, a disabled driver, to receive a licence to drive a three-wheeled motor vehicle which he was qualified to drive before being disabled. Mr. Eldon Griffiths I have no power to interfere with the decision of the local licensing authority, to grant only a provisional licence until Mr. Pearson has passed the necessary driving test: an appeal may be made to the magistrates' court. I sympathise with Mr. Pearson in his misfortune, but provision for a further driving test in certain circumstances is in the interests of disabled drivers themselves, their passengers and road users generally. Housing And Construction Brent (Stonebridge Development Scheme) 80. Mr. Pavitt asked the Secretary of State for the Environment if Government subsidy is to be applied to the rents charged by the London Borough of Brent for two-bedroom and three-bedroom units now completed in stage three of the Stonebridge Development Scheme; how many units are ready for letting; and what rents will be charged for them. Mr. Channon The dwelling have been approved for subsidy. The Brent Council is responsible for the letting of these dwellings and deciding what rents are charged. Only it can give details of the number of units ready for letting. Somerset House Dame Joan Vickers asked the Secretary of State for the Environment whether he will consider releasing Somerset House for use as an art gallery and museum. Mr. Amery I regret that the high cost and acute shortage of office space in Central London prevents me from releasing Somerset House for use as an Art Gallery and Museum. Ministers (Accommodation And Services) Mr. Arthur Lewis asked the Secretary of State for the Environment (1) whether he will take action to charge the Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster £1,450 per annum, the approximate costs of the accommodation and services which he and his family enjoy at present at public expense;(2) whether he will take action to charge the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs £2,350 per annum, the approximate costs of the accommodation and services which he and his family enjoy at present at public expense;(3) whether he will take action to charge the Secretary of State for the Home Department £2,000 per annum, the approximate costs of the accommodation and services which he and his family enjoy at present at public expense;(4) whether he will take action to charge the Chancellor of the Exchequer £2,650 per annum, the approximate costs of the accommodation and services which he and his family enjoy at present at public expense;(5) whether he will take action to charge the Prime Minister £2,400 per annum, the approximate costs of accommodation and services which he enjoys at present at public expense. Mr. Amery No. Caravan Sites Mr. David Steel asked the Secretary of State for the Environment if he will introduce comprehensive legislation on the subject of caravan sites. Mr. Amery I would refer the hon. Member to the answers I gave to the hon. Member for Newcastle-under-Lyme (Mr. Golding) on 27th October—[Vol. 805, c. 78] and to the hon. Member for Dartford (Mr. Trew) on 9th November.—[Vol. 806, c. 62.] Council House Building Programmes Mr. Leadbitter asked the Secretary of State for the Environment what estimate he has made on future council house building programmes and the numbers of houses to be built in 1971, 1972 and 1973 arising from the policy of Her Majesty's Government to recast subsidies for these programmes. Mr. Amery As a result of the reform of housing finance, authorities with severe housing problems will be better placed to build more houses. When the new arrangements have been worked out with the local authority associations, each authority can decide how best to shape its building programme so as to take advantage of the new system. Trade And Industry Marketing Techniques 90. Mr. Douglas asked the Secretary of State for Trade and Industry if he will make a statement on the establishment of regional machinery designed to improve the marketing techniques of industry. Mr. Ridley We have no plans for the establishment of such machinery. Turnhouse Airport (Safety Standards) Mr. Eadie asked the Secretary of State for Trade and Industry if he is now satisfied with the standards of safety at Turnhouse Airport, Edinburgh; and if he will make a statement. Mr. Anthony Grant Turnhouse continues to maintain a good safety record but arrangements there, as at other United Kingdom airports, are kept under review. Some diversion of services is caused by crosswinds and sea-mist from time to time. The second instrument landing system, which came into operation in September, and the surveillance radar installed earlier this year are, however, now helping to improve regularity of operations. Merseyside (Development Area Status) Mr. Dell asked the Secretary of State for Trade and Industry what plans he has to change the development area status of Merseyside. Mr. Anthony Grant We shall make no change in the development area status of Merseyside until the economic problems of the area are on the way to solution. Textiles (United States Import Quotas) Mr. Eadie asked the Secretary of State for Trade and Industry what representations he has received from the Federation of British Carpet Manufacturers arising out of the United States' proposed legislative action to restrict textile imports from the United Kingdom; and if he will make a statement. Mr. Anthony Grant We have received representations from the Federation of British Carpet Manufacturers, and from several hon. Members on behalf of the Federation. I would refer the hon. Member to the Answer which my right hon. Friend gave to the hon. Member for Bolton, West (Mr. Redmond) on 2nd November.—[Vol. 805, c. 664–5.] Rhodesia (Exports) Earl of Dalkeith asked the Secretary of State for Trade and Industry what is his estimate of the potential value of exports to Rhodesia that have been cancelled due to the observance of sanctions on the basis of the growth in the value of West German and French exports to Rhodesia in each of the last three years. Mr. Anthony Grant An estimate cannot be made in the way suggested; German and French exports to Rhodesia fell sharply last year to very low levels and were in each case less than the United Kingdom's. Glasgow Airport Mr. Rankin asked the Secretary of State for Trade and Industry if he will make a statement on the development of Glasgow Airport. Mr. Anthony Grant I cannot comment on matters considered at the recent public inquiry; but in general we welcome any development by Glasgow Corporation which is intended to cater for the growth in short and medium haul traffic. Estate Agents (Monopolies Commission Report) Mr. Body asked the Secretary of State for Trade and Industry whether he will now make a statement of the action he proposes to take on the Monopolies Commission Report on the Supply of Certain Services by Estate Agents. Mr. Ridley As my hon. Friend the Minister of State for Employment told the House on 16th July, the Government accept the conclusion of the Monopolies Commission that the arrangements which give rise to the practice of charging fees at standard rates operate against the public interest. We have made an Order declaring such arrangements to be unlawful. Where such arrangements are already in existence, six months' grace will be allowed for their termination. The Order will be laid before the House as soon as possible and the House will be invited to approve it. West Riding (Air Communications) Mr. Edward Lyons asked the Secretary of State for the Environment what proposals he now has to meet the need of the West Riding of Yorkshire for modern air communications. Mr. Anthony Grant I have been asked to reply.None; it is for the local interests, in the first instance, to consider what developments may be required. North Sea (Pipeline) Mr. Laurance Reed asked the Secretary of State for Trade and Industry whether in view of the hazard to shipping and potential damage to the marine environment, he will instruct British Petroleum to rebury the pipeline, Easington/West Solefield, uncovered on the seabed of the North Sea. Mr. Anthony Grant Previous attempts to re-bury short uncovered sections have resulted in some damage to the concrete coating without achieving burial. Measures have been taken recently to stabilise the pipeline and I am awaiting a report on the survey findings. The line is marked on Admiralty charts with a warning against anchoring or trawling in the vicinity. I have no reason to believe that there is any danger to shipping as long as this warning is heeded. Home Department Immigrants (Deportation) Mr. Fox asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department since the commencement of the Race Relations Act, 1965, how many immigrants have been recommended for deportation by the courts; and of these, in how many cases has the sentence been carried out. Mr. Sharples From 1st January, 1966 to 30th September, 1970, 3,089 Commonwealth citizens, Irish citizens and aliens were recommended for deportation by the courts; and 1,812 deportation orders were made following court recommendations. There is no record of a recommendation for deportation on conviction of an offence under the Race Relations Act, 1965. Fireworks Mr. Parry asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department if he will now consider introducing legislation banning the sale of fireworks to the general public. Mr. Sharples I would refer the hon. Member to the reply given on 5th November to a Question by the hon. Member for Thurrock (Mr. Delargy).—[Vol. 805, c. 410.] Legal Aid 91. Mr. Willey asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department what is the number of legal aid applications which were made at magistrates' courts in the Northern Region during the last 12 months in respect of summary proceedings, committal proceedings and cases committed for trial, respectively; and what is the number of legal aid applications granted in each of these respects in each case, and the number of refusals. Mr. Sharples I will, with permission, circulate in the OFFICIAL REPORT a table--------------------------- | | --------------------------- |Northumberland | --------------------------- |Newcastle-upon-Tyne | --------------------------- |Tynemouth | --------------------------- |Durham | --------------------------- |North Riding of Yorkshire| --------------------------- |Carlisle | --------------------------- |Darlington | --------------------------- |Gateshead | --------------------------- |Westmorland | --------------------------- |Hartlepool | --------------------------- |South Shields | --------------------------- |Sunderland | --------------------------- |Northern Region | --------------------------- Mr. Peter Archer asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department what is the number of legal aid applications which were made at magistrates' courts, respectively, in the County Boroughs of Birmingham, West Bromwich, Warley, Walsall, Wolverhampton and Dudley within the last 12 months in respect of summary proceedings, committal proceedings and cases committed for trial,----------------- | | | ----------------- |Birmingham |…| ----------------- |Dudley |…| ----------------- |Walsall |…| ----------------- |Warley |…| ----------------- |Wolverhampton|…| ----------------- |West Bromwich|…| ----------------- Road Safety In Schools Mr. Ron Lewis asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department what reports he has called for from chief constables regarding the withdrawal of instruction in road safety in schools and elsewhere, as to how many authorities are withdrawing this service, and as to what will be the pattern for future instruction of the figures for 1969, which is the latest year for which statistics are available. respectively; and what is the number of legal aid applications granted in each of these respects in each court and the number of refusals. Mr. Carlisle The figures for 1969, which is the latest period for which statistics are available, are given in the following table. These do not include juvenile court cases.on road safety in these schools and other places. Mr. Sharples There has been a good deal of misunderstanding about the police contribution to road safety instruction in schools. Arrangements in the Metropolitan Police District are to be altered in July, but the police contribution here is not being withdrawn, and I am not aware of any proposal for it to be withdrawn in any other police force. Rubbish Dumping (Fines) Mr. Arthur Lewis asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department whether he will state for the longest and most up-to-date period of time the number of persons who have been fined for dumping rubbish in the street or near to buildings, either on a national or a London area basis; what were the maximum and minimum fines imposed and the average; and what were the actual fines imposed for this offence in Hackney on Monday, 2nd November, 1970. Mr. Carlisle The criminal statistics are not collected in such a way as to make it possible to answer this Question. Commonwealth Citizens And Aliens Mr. Merlyn Rees asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department if those Commonwealth citizens and aliens who are refused changes of their conditions of stay in the United Kingdom are informed of their right of appeal at the time of refusal. Mr. Sharples Yes. Immigration Appeals Act Mr. Merlyn Rees asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department how many appeals were made under the Immigration Appeals Act between 1st July and 31st October, 1970. Mr. Sharples During this period the Home Office received 625 appeals under the Immigration Appeals Act, 1969 or the Aliens (Appeals) Order, 1970, of which 285 were against decisions of the Secretary of State and 340 against decisions of entry certificate officers or visa officers; and a further 325 extra-statutory appeals against decisions taken by entry certificate officers before 1st July, 1970. During the same period 52 extra-statutory appeals were brought against decisions of immigration officers. Education And Science School Building Programme 92. Mr. Marks asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science what was the total school buildings programme approved for the years 1970–71, 1971–72 and 1972–73; and what changes in the total programme she now proposes for those years. Mrs. Thatcher At the beginning of this Parliament the primary and secondary school building programmes for England and Wales, at constant prices, stood at £171 million, £186 million and £160·5 million for 1970–71, 1971–72 and 1972–73. The first two figures are unchanged: the third has been increased to £186 million. Further Education, Wales (Civil Servants) Mr. Elystan Morgan asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science what is the total number of civil servants in her Department stationed in England whose duties relate to further education in Wales. Mrs. Thatcher No officers stationed in England are exclusively concerned with further education in Wales, and the number who may from time to time be involved cannot be identified separately. Further education in Wales will continue to be administered mainly in Wales. Autistic Children Mr. Rose asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science (1) if she will give details of her proposals to increase the provision of educational facilities for autistic children in areas outside the South-East of England;(2) when she proposes to call for information from local education authorities on the action they have undertaken to provide facilities for autistic children. Mr. van Straubenzee The responsibility for initiating proposals for additional educational provision lies with local education authorities. I am considering issuing a Circular of guidance about the educational needs of autistic children, which would include a request for information about the numbers of autistic children and the educational provision made or planned for them. The Arts Mr. Gregor Mackenzie asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science what proportion of the additional £1 million made available to the arts for 1971–72 will be used in Scotland; and how she proposes to allocate these funds. Mr. van Straubenzee My Noble Friend the Paymaster-General will consider with my right hon. Friend, the Secretary of State for Scotland, the proportion of the total sum available for expenditure on the arts which will be spent in Scotland in 1971–72 as part of the standing arrangements for the preparation of Estimates. Expenditure Mr. Marks asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science what is the planned percentage of the gross national product to be devoted to public expenditure on education in 1971–72 and 1972–73. Mrs. Thatcher The White Paper on public expenditure which will appear later in this session will indicate forecast growth of expenditure in education and in the economy as a whole. Museums And Galleries Mr. Finsberg asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science if she will provide a list of the national museums and galleries to which it is proposed to make an entrance charge; and if, in her discussions with the appropriate authorities, she will propose the possibility of free admission on one day per week, free admission to researchers at institutions such as the British Museum, and a free or reduced admission to bona fide students. Mr. van Straubenzee It is intended that entrance fees will be introduced at all the national museums and galleries. They are:London—British Museum, British Museum (Natural History), Science Museum, Victoria and Albert Museum, Geological Museum, National Gallery, Tate Gallery, National Portrait Gallery, London Museum, National Maritime Museum, Wallace Collection, Imperial War Museum.Scotland—Royal Scottish Museum, National Gallery, National Gallery of Modern Art, National Portrait Gallery, National Museum of Antiquities.Wales—National Museum of Wales.The possibility of cheap or free admission on certain days of the week and of cheap or free admission to some categories of visitors is being discussed with the Trustees of the institutions. Employment Average Weekly Wages 93. Mr. Grimond asked the Secretary of State for Employment what is the average weekly wage for men and for women, respectively, in Scotland; and what information he has on the rates in different regions. Mr. Bryan The most recent information available for Scotland, Wales and the Standard regions of England is for October, 1969 and relates to men manual workers aged 21 years and over. As the reply consists of a table of figures, I will, with permission, circulate it in the OFFICIAL REPORT.Following is the information: -------------------------- | | -------------------------- |Scotland | -------------------------- |Wales | -------------------------- |South East | -------------------------- |East Anglia | -------------------------- |South Western | -------------------------- |West Midlands | -------------------------- |East Midlands | -------------------------- |Yorkshire and Humberside| -------------------------- |North Western | -------------------------- |Northern | -------------------------- |United Kingdom | -------------------------- Northern Region Mr. Armstrong asked the Secretary of State for Employment how many men in the Northern Region, registered as unemployed at the latest count were 55 years of age or over; how many of those had been unemployed for six months or more; and what percentage they represent of the total number of men unemployed in the region. Mr. Dudley Smith At 13th July, 1970, the latest date for which an age analysis is available, 16,275 men aged 55 or over were registered as wholly unemployed in the Northern region. Of these, 11,959 had been on the registers for more than 26 weeks and they formed 25·3 per cent. of a total of 47,189 men registered as wholly unemployed in the region at that date. Agriculture, Fisheries And Food Mastitis (Wales) 94. Mr. Barry Jones asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food (1) what was the number of mastitis cases in Wales for the years 1959, 1963, 1967 and 1969; and what were the comparable figures for the East Flintshire Division;(2) if he will supply figures concerning the percentage number of dairy cattle in Wales and East Flintshire affected by mastitis in the latest year for which information is available. Mr. Anthony Stodart Mastitis is not a notifiable condition and the statistics requested are not therefore available, but information from the field suggests that some 50 per cent. of all milking animals in England and Wales are affected to some extent. There is no reason to suppose that the incidence of the condition in Wales or Flintshire differs from this general pattern although the condition known as summer mastitis has been somewhat more prevalent than usual in Wales this year. Prices (Ministerial Responsibility) Dr. Bennett asked the Prime Minister if he will make a statement about Ministerial responsibility for matters relating to prices. The Prime Minister The Secretary of State for Trade and Industry will answer general questions about prices. Questions about particular goods or services should be addressed to the Minister who answers in respect of the particular trade or industry concerned. Defence Hms "Blake" Dame Joan Vickers asked the Minister of State for Defence what is the result of the board of inquiry following the towing of H.M.S. "Blake" to Australia after the failure of two of her boilers; and how soon will her future be decided. Mr. Kirk H.M.S. "Blake" returned to the United Kingdom fully operational on completion of her Far East deployment and her future is not in any doubt.She is at present at Portsmouth for routine docking, maintenance and recommissioning.The Board of Inquiry was only set up on the ship's return to the United Kingdom, and is still sitting. H.M.S. "Blake" was at no time under tow during her Far East deployment. Microbiological Defence Establishment Miss Devlin asked the Minister of State for Defence what are the names of all persons who have been on the advisory board of scientists retained by the Chemical Research Establishment or the Microbiological Defence Establishment at Porton during the last fifteen years; on what dates were they appointed; and on what dates did they cease to hold such positions. Mr. Ian Gilmour The names of members of defence advisory boards are not normally disclosed. Himsworth Committee Miss Devlin asked the Minister of State for Defence how many and which members of the Himsworth Committee are or have been in receipt of research grants from his Department. Mr. Ian Gilmour Research grants are normally paid to the university or other institution concerned, not to individuals. Cs Miss Devlin asked the Minister of State for Defence whether the 1968 studies into the possible toxic effects of the CS gaseous agent, initiated under the auspices of his Department, have now been concluded; and when the results will be made available to the public. Mr. Ian Gilmour The report on the 1968 studies, which was extended to include additional material, will be published in due course. Miss Devlin asked the Minister of State for Defence whether the content of hitherto unpublished studies into the possible toxic value of the CS gaseous agent carried out under the auspices of his Department have been made fully available to Sir Harold Himsworth and his colleagues investigating the effect on civilian populations in built-up areas. Mr. Ian Gilmour Yes. Miss Devlin asked the Minister of State for Defence how many people have been involved under the auspices of the Government in investigating the possible toxic qualities of the CS gaseous agent between 1st January, 1968, and the present time; and how such people are selected and at what cost. Mr. Ian Gilmour The only investigation under Government auspices, apart from work done at the Chemical Defence Establishment, is that being carried out by the Himsworth Committee. The members of this committee were selected and appointed by the predecessor of my right hon. Friend the Secretary of State for Home Affairs. My right hon. Friend is responsible for the cost. Miss Devlin asked the Minister of State for Defence whether since the initiation of its investigation into the real qualities of the CS gaseous agent, his Department has continued to manufacture, license the manufacture, supply and direct the supply of the substance for possible use. Mr. Ian Gilmour Yes, except that no CS is manufactured under licence. Miss Devlin asked the Minister of State for Defence how much of the CS gaseous agent has been produced at the Chemical Defence Establishment during each month since 1st January, 1968. Mr. Ian Gilmour An average of less than one ton annually since 1st January, 1968. Monthly totals are not readily available. Miss Devlin asked the Minister of State for Defence how much of the CS gaseous agent has been produced under licence from his Department within the United Kingdom during each month since 1st January, 1968. Mr. Ian Gilmour None. Miss Devlin asked the Minister of State for Defence how much of the CS gaseous agent manufactured since the beginning of 1968 has been destroyed during each month since the beginning of 1968. Mr. Ian Gilmour It is not the practice to disclose information of this nature. Miss Devlin asked the Minister of State for Defence on how many occasions members of the British armed forces have discharged CS grenades or canisters in Northern Ireland since 1st August, 1969. Mr. Ian Gilmour CS has been used during 43 sets of disturbances in Northern Ireland betwen 1st August, 1969 and 31st October, 1970. Miss Devlin asked the Minister of State for Defence on whose authority the armed forces initiate a CS gas offensive; and of what minimum ranking is the officer who instructs the use. Mr. Ian Gilmour The use of the word "offensive" is misleading.CS is used on the authority of the Director of Operations, Northern Ireland. The decision to use CS rests with the military commander on the spot who will normally be a company commander of the rank of Major or Captain. Miss Devlin asked the Minister of State for Defence how many CS cartridges and how many CS grenades have been issued by his Department to the Royal Ulster Constabulary during each month from 1st January, 1968. Mr. Ian Gilmour It is not the practice to disclose information of this nature. Lethal Dose Quotient Miss Devlin asked the Minister of State for Defence to what extent recent tests carried out by the Chemical Research Establishment at Porton have resolved the discrepancy caused by the lethal dose quotient 50 assessment by the United States military research scientists; whether these studies have led to a reappraisal of the lethal dose quotient; what is his latest assessment; and whether the Medical Research Council was asked to provide personnel or otherwise to advise the investigation. Mr. Ian Gilmour Recent tests at Porton have confirmed previously published median lethal dosage figures which, for small animals, are approximately the same as those found by American researchers. The staff of the Medical Research Council have been consulted as appropriate. Northern Ireland (Armed Forces) Miss Devlin asked the Minister of State for Defence (1) how many grenades have been issued for use of the armed forces in Northern Ireland during each month since 1st August, 1969;(2) how many C.S. canisters have been issued for use of the armed forces in Northern Ireland since 1st August, 1969. Mr. Ian Gilmour It is not the practice to disclose information of this kind about the stocks of the Armed Forces. North Sea (Wrecks) Mr. Laurance Reed asked the Minister of State for Defence approximately how many wrecks there are on the seabed of the North Sea; and how many of these are accurately marked on Admiralty charts. Mr. Kirk Available records indicate that there are approximately 7,000 wrecks in the North Sea. Of these over 4,000 are marked on Admiralty charts. The majority are accurately marked but for some only a "position approximate" is recorded. Scotland (Defence Expenditure) Mr. Gregor Mackenzie asked the Minister of State for Defence what proposals he has for increasing the proportion of his Department's spending in Scotland. Mr. Kirk The special circumstances of Scotland, and of other development areas will continue to be taken into account in the defence field as they have been in the past. Military Salaries Mr. Gregor Mackenzie asked the Minister of State for Defence if he has made an assessment of the operation of military salaries; and if he will make a statement. Mr. Lambton The new pay system has been given a favourable reception by Service men generally, though the full effects will not be felt until 1st April, 1971, when single men will receive the balance of the increase designed to give them full parity with the military salary paid to their married colleagues.There have been no unforeseen or insurmountable problems in operating the new pay system. Such radical changes in the concept of pay naturally caused some administrative difficulties. These are being reviewed to see how they can be alleviated. In view of the speed with which the new system was introduced and the vast amount of detailed work involved in drawing up new procedures and rules, the changeover to the military salary was made remarkably smoothly. Foreign And Commonwealth Affairs Overseas Colonial Service Officers (Brunei) Dame Joan Vickers asked the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs if he will give Her Majesty's Overseas Colonial Service officers in Brunei the right to retire under abolition terms with compensation and pensions. Mr. Wood No. Provision of this kind is normally made only when responsibility for the public service passes entirely into local hands. No such transfer of responsibility has taken place in Brunei. Social Services Consultants Mr. Pavitt asked the Secretary of State for the Social Services what is the amount of the weekly increase finally given to consultants on maximum with A-plus award; what is the percentage increase this represents over the remuneration on 1st January, 1969; and what is the date from which the increase has been received. Mr. Alison £40 9s. 6d.: 20 per cent.: with effect from 1st April, 1970. General Practitioners Mr. Pavitt asked the Secretary of State for the Social Services what is the percentage increase in remuneration awarded to general practitioners since June, 1970 and the total increase in public expenditure resulting from the award made on 1st April, 1970. Mr. Alison The increase in remuneration agreed by the previous Government in June resulted in increases of about 17 per cent. in the total payments to general medical practitioners by Executive Councils (including payments in respect of practice expenses). The further increase agreed in August has meant that the total increase in these payments is nearly 22 per cent.It is estimated that the overall effect will be to increase total annual payments to general medical practitioners in Great Britain by £33 million a year. Rugby (Hospitals) Mr. William Price asked the Secretary of State for Social Services how many people are at present waiting for admission to the Hospital of St. Cross, Rugby; and what was the figure 12 months ago. Mr. Alison 946 on 31st October, 1970; 1,040 on 31st October, 1969. Mr. William Price asked the Secretary of State for Social Services what is the present average cost per patient, per week, in the Hospital of St. Cross, Rugby; and what is the national average. Mr. Alison The average cost per patient per week in the Hospital of St. Cross at Rugby for the financial year 1969–70 was £66 10s. 10d. The national average cost in acute hospitals of over 100 beds was £55 14s. 0d. for the same year. Mr. William Price asked the Secretary of State for Social Services whether he is satisfied with the availability of geriatric beds in the Rugby area; and if he will make a statement. Mr. Alison I have no evidence to suggest that the need for hospital geriatric beds in the Rugby area is not being met. Mr. William Price asked the Secretary of State for Social Services how many people have been waiting for a year or more to enter the Hospital of St. Cross for cold surgery. Mr. Alison 129. Mr. William Price asked the Secretary of State for Social Services how many people were treated in the emergency department of St. Cross Hospital, Rugby, in the last 12-month period for which figures are available. Mr. Alison During the year ended 30th June, 1970, 14,480 new patients attended; total attendances were 20,814. National Insurance (Old Persons) Act, 1970 Mr. Harper asked the Secretary of State for Social Services of the number of applications approved under Section 1 of the National Insurance (Old Persons) Act, 1970, how many had a total or partial reduction of supplementary benefit. Mr. Dean Up to and including 9th November over 101,000 awards under Section 1 of the Act had been made. Of these about 38,000 involved adjustments to supplementary pensions. Strikers (Supplementary Benefits) Mr. Finsberg asked the Secretary of State for Social Services what are the current arrangements made by his Department or the Supplementary Benefits Commission for payments to official and unofficial strikers and their families in cases of hardship. Mr. Dean Under Section 10 of the Ministry of Social Security Act, 1966, supplementary benefit is payable for the dependants of strikers, but not for the requirements of the strikers themselves. Where refusal of benefit for the requirements of the striker himself would cause undue hardship payments are occasionally made under the general discretionary powers of Section 13 of the same Act. The Act does not distinguish between official and unofficial strikers. Mr. Finsberg asked the Secretary of State for Social Services what was the total amount of money disbursed in the financial years 1968–69 and 1969–70 and in the first six months of the current financial year by the Supplementary Benefits Commission and/or his Department in cases of hardship to official or unofficial strikers and their families. Mr. Dean The following is the information requested: ---------------------------------------- | | ---------------------------------------- | | ---------------------------------------- |Financial Year 1968–69 | ---------------------------------------- |Financial Year 1969–70 | ---------------------------------------- |First six months April—September, 1970| ---------------------------------------- Separate figures relating to official and unofficial strikers are not available. Health And Welfare Services (Research) Mr. Crouch asked the Secretary of State for Social Services if he will publish details of all the projects and programmes of research in health and welfare services being undertaken by his Department and state the name of the person, persons or organisations involved and the amount of grant involved in each case. Mr. Alison My Department is preparing for publication in 1971 an account of its research and development activities, which will include detailed information about projects and programmes. Regional General Medical Service Mr. Crouch asked the Secretary of State for Social Services what was the total expenditure during each of the years ended 31st March, 1965 to 31st March, 1970, inclusive, on the Regional General Medical Service. Mr. Alison The cost in England for the year ended 31st March, 1970 was about £1,260,000. This includes the cost of the Medical Referee Service, a large proportion of which is recovered from the National Insurance and Industrial Injuries Funds. Figures for the earlier years are not immediately available but they are being worked out and I will send them to my hon. Friend. Mr. Crouch asked the Secretary of State for Social Services in what regions the regional medical officers operate; and how many such officers are employed in each region. Mr. Alison The information is as follows: --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- |East Midlands Division (Nottingham, Leicester Lincoln, Sheffield) | --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- |Eastern Division (London, Norwich, Cambridge, Chelmsford) | --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- |North Eastern Division (Newcastle, Leeds) | --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- |North Western Division (Blackburn, Manchester, Liverpool Wigan) | --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- |Southern Division (Tunbridge Wells, Reading, Lewisham, Southampton, Wallington)| --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- |Western Division (Birmingham Bristol Worcester) | --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- |Headquarters | --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mr. Crouch asked the Secretary of State for Social Services in what document or documents prepared by the Department of Social Services the duties and responsibilities of regional medical officrs are specified; and if he will arrange for copies of these documents to be placed in the Library. Mr. Alison There is no comprehensive document of this nature and instructions on particular aspects of the work are internal documents which it would not be appropriate to publish. Mr. Crouch asked the Secretary of State for Social Services on what particular parts of England and Wales the regional medical officers concentrate their work. Mr. Alison There is no such geographical concentration in England and I understand from my right hon. Friend the Secretary of State for Wales that there is none in Wales. Mr. Crouch asked the Secretary of State for Social Services how many regional medical officers are currently employed by the Department of Social Services. Mr. Alison There are 60 medical officers in the regional medical service, including seven at Headquarters. Social Services And Hospital Treatment (Charges) Mr. Leadbitter asked the Secretary of State for Social Services what further proposals he has for increasing charges in the social services and for hospital treatment. Sir K. Joseph I have nothing to add at present to the White Paper Cmnd. 4515 and to my replies to my hon. Friends the Members for Gravesend (Mr. Roger White) and Reading (Dr. Vaughan) on 28th and 30th October and 5th November.—[Vol. 805, c. 153–4, 230–1, 437–8.] Cancer Mr. Ashley asked the Secetary of State for Social Services if he will make a statement about the treatment of cancer in British hospitals. Sir K. Joseph All recognised methods of treatment of cancer are available in National Health Service hospitals. Mr. Ashley asked the Secretary of State for Social Services what guidance he proposes to give to British cancer sufferers who are inquiring about the medical evidence concerning cures provided by the Ringberg Clinic, Bavaria. Sir K. Joseph The facts about the methods used and results obtained in the Ringberg Clinic have not yet been published in a form which would enable guidance to be given. Publication is said to be imminent and enquiries are being made from the West German Federal Health Department. Mr. Ashley asked the Secretary of State for Social Services what steps are being taken to make available to all cancer sufferers in Great Britain treatment on the lines provided at the Ringberg Clinic, Bavaria. Sir K. Joseph The treatment in the Ringberg Clinic uses conventional as well as unorthodox methods, of which the former are available in National Health Service hospitals to all cancer patients. It will be open to the medical profession to study the information, when published, on all aspects of this treatment and to adopt those methods that are supported by medical evidence. National Finance Income Tax (Reduction) Mr. Hardy asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer what is his estimate of the proposed reduction in income tax in 1971–72 for a man with an average income of £19 10s. per week and a man with a taxable income of £6,500 per annum, assuming that each has a wife and two children under the age of 16 years. Mr. Patrick Jenkin £3 8s. and £117, assuming in both cases that the income is wholly earned and includes family allowance for one child and that the children are under 11. Christmas Bank Holidays Mr. Michael McNair-Wilson asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department when he will announce the date of the Christmas bank holiday. Mr. Ian Lloyd asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer whether he will make an announcement about the official date of the Boxing Day holiday. Mr. Higgins I have been asked to reply.The Christmas bank holidays in England and Wales this year will be on the traditional days, 25th and 26th December. Wales Health Service (Expenditure) Mr. Caerwyn Roderick asked the Secretary of State for Wales what are the latest annual figures for Wales, comparing them with the figures for England and Wales as a whole, for expenditure on the Health Service, the incidence of illness, infant mortality, the number of hospital beds available and the average waiting time for a hospital bed, respectively. Mr. Peter Thomas The gross voted expenditure by health services plus gross revenue expenditure by local health authorities for 1970–71 is as follows: ------------------- | | ------------------- |Wales | ------------------- |England and Wales| ------------------- It is not possible to make a simple comparison of the incidence of illness. However, the average numbers of certified absences from work due to sickness during 1969 were: ------------------- |Wales | ------------------- |England and Wales| ------------------- The numbers of discharges or deaths from hospitals in 1969 were: ------------------- |Wales | ------------------- |England and Wales| ------------------- The rates (per thousand live births) of deaths of infants under one year of age in 1969 were: ------------------- |Wales | ------------------- |England and Wales| ------------------- The numbers of staffed in-patient beds in 1969 were: ------------------- |Wales | ------------------- |England and Wales| ------------------- Figures of average waiting times would not be meaningful. In 1969 the waiting lists for in-patient treatment in all specialities were: ------------------- |Wales | ------------------- |England and Wales| ------------------- School Building (Carmarthenshire) Mr. Gwynoro Jones asked the Secretary of State for Wales what will be the total amount of the recently announced school building expansion programme that will be allocated to Carmarthenshire. Mr. Peter Thomas The distribution of the capital resources available for this programme which will be related to projects expected to start building in 1972–73 is under consideration. I hope to be able to announce the programme towards the end of this month. European Economic Community Mr. Gwynoro Jones asked the Secretary of State for Wales what steps he has taken, or is prepared to take, to consult the farmers' representatives in Wales on their views regarding the consequences of entry into the Common Market. Mr. Peter Thomas My right hon. Friend the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food and my hon. Friend the Minister of State have had and are continuing to have regular consultations with the National Farmers' Union about the likely consequences of entry to the European Economic Community and the Farmers' Union of Wales will be kept informed of developments.