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Commons Chamber

Volume 2: debated on Monday 9 April 1804

House of Commons

Monday, April 9 1804

Minutes

Mr. J. Latouche brought up a petition from the prisoners confined for debt in the prison for the county and the city of Dublin, stating the hardships under which they labour, and praying relief. Ordered to be laid on the table.—He brought another of a similar kind from the prisoners confined for debt in the Marshalsea prison of Dublin, which was also ordered to be laid on the table.—Sir J. Newport gave notice, that he should on Wednesday next move to postpone the consideration of the subject of the Ilchester committee on the 17th of this month, until the 8th of May next.—Mr. Corry gave notice, that to-morrow he should propose for the consideration of the house a measure respecting the present circulation of Ireland, he meant that which circulates as coin in Ireland.—Mr. Serjeant Best presented a petition on behalf of the company of proprietors of the Swansea canal navigation, against a bill now depending before the house. Ordered to be laid on the table.—Mr. H. Addington moved, that the order of the day for taking into consideration the report on the cotton weavers' petition be postponed to Thursday next. Ordered.

Irish Militia Augmentation Bill

moved the order of the day going into a committee of the whole house, to consider of making a provision for augmenting the Irish militia; which being read, the hon. gent. said, that before he moved that the speaker do now leave the chair, he should state the nature of the measure now proposed, the augmentation of the Irish militia; and if parliament should think fit that it should take place, money must be advanced out of the exchequer of Ireland, to be afterwards repaid by the treasurers of the counties; for this it would be necessary to introduce a clause into the bill, and there must be a resolution by a committee of the whole house for the purpose: that should be reported on a subsequent day, and an instruction must afterwards be given to the committee on the bill, that they may have power to insert it in such bill.

doubted the regularity of moving any certain sum for a certain service, before parliament had voted that service. He thought it extraordinary that the sum of money should be voted for a thing, before that thing itself was voted. If there was any absolute necessity for it, or that it could not be done at any other time, he should be ready to give way, and offer no opposition to it; but he should think it would be much more regular for parliament to grant the thing itself before it granted the means of supporting it.

said, that the thing now proposed was mere matter of course, in order to enable the house to proceed in the committee to-morrow on the subject of the Irish militia, for until there was a vote of a committee of the whole house to advance this money out of the Irish exchequer, no provision could be made to enable the lord lieutenant to go into the measure. This was merely matter of form; for if the house should not adopt the bill, the vote now about to be proposed would fall to the ground; the report could not be received until to-morrow, and without this vote it would be impossible to proceed bill; and he submitted, that as there were two bills before the house upon this subject, whether it might not be better that they should both come on together.

thought one of them sufficient for the discussion of one day, but he was satisfied with the reason given for the vote which was now about to be proposed, and therefore should not oppose it any longer.—The house then resolved itself into a committee of the whole house, in which Mr. Corry moved resolution to the effect he had stated, for advancing a sum not exceeding 4 guineas per man, &c.; which was passed, and the report was ordered to be received to-morrow.

asked which of the two bills on the subject of the Irish militia was intended to be brought on to-morrow?

said, he should have thought it more convenient to the house, and a saving of a great deal of debate, if they were both to come on together in the discussion upon the principle, but if gentlemen chose to exercise their lungs twice upon one subject, he could have no objection, and the debate must therefore necessarily be put off on one of them. The one which was to come on to-morrow, was that which stood first in order, and therefore he moved that the bill for making provision for augmenting the militia of Ireland be postponed to Wednesday next. Ordered.