House of Commons
Friday, July 6 1804
Minutes
Lord Marsha reported from the Middlesex committee that C. Willock was guilty of gross prevarication, and concluded with moving, that he be taken into custody. The motion was agreed to, and the Speaker issued his warrant for the committal of C. Willock to Newgate.—A message from the Lords stated, that their lordships had agreed to the Irish Duties and Customs' bill.—Mr. Owen from the India-house, presented the particulars of the sum of 1,501,666l. received from govt. by the E. India Comp. together with the interest at the rate of 4 per cent. thereon. Ordered to lie on the table.—The London Coal Market bill was read a 3d time, and passed.—The Chatham Ordnance Land bill was reported, and ordered to be read a 3d time tomorrow.—The Hackney Coach bill was read a 2d time, and committed for tomorrow; also the Stamp Regulation bill.—The Civil List bill was read a 2d time, and ordered to be committed on Monday; also the Irish County Justices' bill.—The West India Free Port Bill was read a 2d time, and committed for to-morrow.—The Quarter-Masters' Franking bill was read a 2d time, and committed for Monday.—Lady Kilwarden's Pension bill was read a 3d time and passed.—The Expiring Laws bill was committed, and ordered to be reported to-morrow.—The Irish Small Notes bill was read a 2d time, and committed for to-morrow.—The Chancellor of the Exchequer gave notice, that on Monday next he should submit a proposition to the house respecting the holders of the Loyalty Loan.—The order for the 3d reading of the Corn Trade Regulation bill was then read. Several amendments were agreed to, in general tending to lower the prices at which corn might be imported.—Some further regulations were suggested to be necessary; but, as the hon members who suggested the necessity of making such amendments, were not prepared to submit them to the house at the time, the further reading of the bill was deferred till tomorrow.
Lottery
The house having resolved itself into a committee of ways and means,
rose to bring forward his motion for raising a sum of money for the ensuing year, by way of Lottery. He meant that the number of tickets should be 80,000, the same as last year; that the price of each ticket should be 10l. and the whole sum be 800,000l. The whole should be divided into 3 lotteries. He should also propose that, instead of raising a specific sum at one given time, by which the public might be deprived, as was the case last year, of the chance of having tickets on advantageous terms, the commissioners be now empowered to take advantage of the market, by making bargains from time to time. This would have the effect of extending the competition as widely as possible among the individuals who should contract for the lottery. He then moved, "that it be the opinion of the committee, that the Lords Commissioners of his Majesty's treasury have power to contract for the sum of 800,000l. to be raised by lottery tickets, each ticket not to exceed 10l." The resolution was agreed to, and the house being resumed, the report was ordered to be received tomorrow.
London Docks Bill
said, he supposed the motion he was about to make, was one which no gent. would have any objection to. On the contrary, he believed it would give satisfaction to every body, to hear that the London Docks, towards the opening of which he now proposed certain regulations, were in such a state of forwardness, that it was expected they would be opened for the reception and accommodation of shipping, early in the month of Sept. The bill he meant to move for, was to have three objects in view. First, to give additional facility to the trade of the port of London; 2d, to provide for the greater security of that trade; and 3d, to provide for the greater security of the revenue arising out of it. There would be in the bill a variety of details, which he should not now enter into; but these constituted its principal objects. All the regulations that should be contained in the bill, had been already concerted and planned by the directors of the company; and met with the approbation of all to whom they had been submitted. He then concluded with moving, "that leave be given to bring in a bill for the warehousing certain goods within the limits of certain docks, which were made under the provisions of an act of the 40th of the king, for the better accommodation and security of shipping in the port of London." Leave given.
Irish Additional Force Bill
On the motion that the house should resolve itself into a committee on the Irish Additional Force Bill,
, observed, there was a clause which vested a power in the lord lieut. to order what sum he may think fit to be given to the different parishes for the raising of their quota of men. He did not mean to insinuate, by any means, that a person in that high official situation would, in any instance, be guilty of an abuse of such power. The rule by which bounties were formerly fixed in parishes was, to allow them three-fourths of the general regulation bounty, at the time of their quota being raised. There was a possibility, however, that by resigning a parliamentary power up to the discretion of an individual, he might order, that in particular counties or districts, only one guinea should be given for each man so raised. To prevent all possibility of a misapplication of discretionary power, he should move that the terms of the clause be altered, so as to allow the parish bounties to be 3–4ths of the regulation bounty as heretofore.
agreed in this suggestion, and consented that 3–4ths of the bounty for the line should be specified.
expressed his approbation of the amendment. He was always averse to vesting extraordinary powers in any individual, while such powers were usually exercised by parliament. According to the original wording of the clause, counties which were suspected of disaffection, without there being any proof of the existence of such disaffection, might possibly be allowed such very small bounties that it would be impossible for them to raise the men without paying more than the penalty which the law would levy of them in case of their total neglect or omission. The consequence of this would be, that they would pay the 20l. to govt., and they might raise men where they could get them cheaper. The bill would then become a money bill, instead of a bill for raising men in such counties. The same defect, however, existed in the English Additional Force bill, which had passed the house. He hoped that the clause would be amended early in the next session of parliament. To this amendment he was very certain the Irish gent. would very readily give their support, as they had been so very active in supporting that measure, even with such an inaccuracy among the provisions of the bill.—Adjourned.