Skip to main content

Commons Chamber

Volume 23: debated on Wednesday 3 June 1812

House of Commons

Wednesday, June 3, 1812.

Orders in Council

enquired of the hon. and learned gent. opposite, whether it was his intention to bring forward his motion regarding the Orders in Council on Tuesday next?

replied, that he saw no motive for postponing it beyond the Thursday following, which day it was his intention to fix as the period when he should positively submit his propositions to the House. If indeed it were wished that the discussion should be deferred until something in the shape of a government were formed, he thought that it would be postponing it to a period infinitely too distant for the decision of a question so momentous and important.

observed, that it was impossible that the House could at so early a period be prepared for the discussion: the evidence given at the bar, generally only in the presence of six or seven members, could not be printed in time.

reminded Mr. Rose, that between five and six hundred pages had already been printed and distributed.

Negociations for Forming a New Administration

rose and said:—Having been the channel of communicating to the House on Monday the circumstance that a noble friend of mine, the marquis Wellesley, had on that day received authority from his royal highness the Prince Regent to proceed to the formation of a new Administration, I feel it incumbent upon me this day to state to the House, being in possession of the information, that my noble friend has this morning resigned that authority again into the hands of his Royal Highness. I shall accompany this disclosure with no observation, unless I might be permitted earnestly to deprecate discussion, which can be productive of no good, and may lead to great mischief, by kindling animosities, which are certainly not wanted to add to the embarrassments of the country. Being now, however, in possession of the information, and having been on the former day the channel of communication of the one fact, I thought I should be guilty of something like delusion if I had not communicated the other.

, said:—After what has fallen from the right hon. gentleman, the House may be assured that nothing will proceed from me that can in the least degree embarrass any arrangement hereafter to be attempted, but as a member of parliament I feel it my duty to ask one question, and it is this; I address myself to the right hon. gentleman opposite (Mr. Ponsonby)—

rose to order. He admitted that a precedent had been the other day set of putting interrogatories to individual members in their places, but he did not think that it was sufficient to authorize the practice. It would be recollected, that on Monday last the question had been read before he had objected; he now interposed to prevent the reading of the question, as well as the answering of it.

replied, that had he not been sanctioned by the proceeding of Monday last, he should not have ventured to propose the question to which he was desirous of obtaining an answer. If the right hon. gentleman, after it had been stated, felt that it was a question which he could not reply to, without difficulty, he would not press it upon him.

said, that the point was not whether the question could be answered, but whether it ought to be put in the manner proposed. The practice of a former day had lent some support to this mode of proceeding, but he thought that it ought not to be countenanced.

.—Then I will not put it in the form so much objected to. I will only say this, to what cause is it to be attributed that the negociation—[The hon. member was interrupted by loud cries of Order!]

declared his determination, if the question were persisted in, to take the sense of the House upon it. Whether it were read from a written paper, or put by word of mouth, could make no difference; he warmly insisted, that such interrogatories were wholly out of order.

.—I certainly shall not persevere. My object was to put the country in possession of the cause, as far as I was able to ascertain it, that the negociation set on foot, under the auspices of the marquis Wellesley and earl Moira, had failed. Finding that it is not the sense of the House that I should proceed, I shall acquiesce. In consequence also of what has fallen from the right hon. gentleman on the floor, recommending that the subject should not now be agitated, I shall abandon the notice I have given.

The House then went into a Committee on the Orders in Council.