House Of Commons
Monday, July 10, 1837.
MINUTES.] Bills. Read a third time:—Consolidation Fund (Appropriation); Militia Ballot Suspension; Exchequer Bills (Public Works); Slave Trade Treaties; Tithe Advances (Ireland); Bankrupts (Ireland); Militia Pay Bill.—Read a first time:—Lords Justices.
Petitions presented. By Dr. BOWRING, from Kilmarnock, against the Slave Trade; By Mr. FIELDEN, from Operatives of Oldham, for a repeal of the Poor-law Amendment Bill.—By Mr. WAKLEY, from Operatives of Mansfield and Manchester, for a total repeal of the Poor-law Amendment Bill.—By Mr. GILLON, from Airdrie, for some alteration in the mode of apprenticing Slaves in the West Indies By Sir W. FOLLETT, from 800 Bachelors of Arts of the University of Cambridge, not to encourage any plan to injure that Establishment; and two in favour of the better Observance of the Lord's Day.—By Mr. W. FATTEN, from Lancaster, against the Poor-law Amendment Act.—By Mr. ROBINSON, from Creditors of certain South American States, for redress.
Slavery
took the opportunity of asking the right hon. Baronet the President of the Board of Control, whether it was the intention of the government of India to put an end to slavery in that country?
could only repeat what he had stated in reply to a similar question in the last Session of Parliament, that the Government of India were taking such steps to ameliorate the condition of slavery as, at no distant period, should lead to its total extinction. The hon. Member must be aware that the domestic slavery of the East was very different from that of the slavery of the negroes in the West Indies; but he might rest assured that neither the Home authorities nor the Local Governments would for a moment lose sight of an object which every Englishman desired to see attained—the total extinction of slavery in every part of the British dominions.
admitted, that the domestic slaver of the East might at the present momen be of a very mild character; but he felt perfectly satisfied if sugar should be grown to any extent in the East that the system of slavery would soon become as disgraceful as it had ever been in the West.
assured the hon. Gentleman that, supposing sugar to be cultivated on a more extensive scale in India than it had hitherto been, the Government at home, as well as in the East, would take ample care that no such state of slavery should arise as had existed in the West Indies.
Buxton was much obliged to the right hon. Baronet for that assurance. He begged, however, to put another question connected with the same subject. He had received communications from the Mauritius, by which he was informed that a vast number of the natives of Bengal had of late been imported into that island as well as into some of the West India islands, to assist in the cultivation of sugar. He wished to know how these importations took place, and whether the natives so imported were in any degree regarded as slaves?
thought, that the hon. Member must himself be well aware that the exportation of these persons from Bengal took place entirely with their own consent, and that they were landed in the different settlements to which they sailed in the character of free labourers. They were no more regarded as slaves than the House of Commons itself. The Governor-general of India, in consequence of the increased exportation of these free labourers, had thought right to make certain regulations for their transport, by which their convenience and comfort were insured. Only a certain number were allowed to embark in any ship, and that under regulations which secured their comfort on the passage. Care was also taken, in case they should not like the country to which they were removed, that every facility should be given them to return.
as far as the colonies were concerned, begged to assure the hon. Gentleman that wherever these natives of the East were imported every precaution was taken to preserve them in a state of complete and perfect freedom.
The Church Of Scotland
said, that he was prevented by the immediate termination of the Session, from calling the attention of the House to the memorial from the Moderator of the General Assembly to the first Lord of the Treasury on the subject of Church accommodation in Scotland, agreeably to the notice which he had previously given. He should therefore merely say that if he had had the opportunity of bringing his motion forward, he should have endeavoured to have proved that the course pursued by several of the Scotch clergy as well as others, so far as the Church of Scotland was concerned, had been most unwise; and, so far as his Majesty's Ministers were concerned, had been most unjust and ungenerous. So far as being unconnected with the Church of Scotland he was circumstanced similarly to the hon. Baronet the Member for Bute, who had lately called the attention of the House to this subject; but he begged to assure the House that he was as anxious as that hon. Baronet to see the Church of Scotland upheld. He should, however, have objected to his late Majesty's Government deciding upon any partial question relating to that Church. He should have opposed their taking any steps with reference to Glasgow, or Aberdeen, or Edinburgh until the subject had been thoroughly investigated. In the meantime, this Church extension question, as he had anticipated, was now made a handle of for electioneering purposes in Scotland. He should be sorry to occupy the attention of the House with anything in which he was personally concerned, but he could not refrain from adverting to a document that had lately emanated from an electioneering Committee, in which allusion was made to the Church Commission in Scotland, and in which it was stated, that it was impossible for the friends of that Church to overlook the petition for the overthrow of the Establishment in that country, which had been presented by Mr. Bannerman, without one word of objection on the part of that gentleman. This document set forth that the petition in question came from persons who cared not for reason, truth, or consistency, and who, disregarding the councils of the wise and good, sought the overthrow of religion, treated its injunctions with scorn, and held up its ordinances to derision. Such were the terms in which these parties, for election purposes, thought proper to speak of the petition which he (Mr. Bannerman) had presented to the House. Now, he begged to say that he never did present any petition for the overthrow of the Establishment, and yet he was described by these persons as one who was totally void of religion, of consistency, or of truth. This manifesto was put forth at a time when the parties well knew that he was five hundred miles distant. But they very soon should know that he had remained in London for the purpose of moving for certain returns to enable the Government to facilitate the settlement of this Church question. The hon. Gentleman moved for a return of the number of churches erected in Scotland by voluntary contributions recognised by the General Assembly, and whose ministers were appointed by the Kirk. Also a return of the number of seats in every such church, specifying the mode in which they were appropriated; likewise a return of the stipends paid to the ministers of every such Church, and the sources whence those stipends were derived; together with the sums annually collected for the support and education of the poor in every such place of worship.
Motion agreed to.
Abduction Of An Elector
, in pursuance of notice, to call the attention of the House to the petition of certain electors for the combined counties of Ross and Cromarty, which he had the honour to present a few evenings ago. The petitioners set forth, that at the last election for the combined counties of Ross and Cromarty, which was contested between Thomas Mackenzie, of Applecross, Esq., and William Mackenzie, of Muirton, Esq., one John Gibson, farmer, was an elector; that on the day preceding the election, a messenger came to inform him that Captain Hugh Clark wished him to come immediately to the house of Mr. Watson, of Cromarty, as the captain was desirous of paying him a sum of money which was due to him. Gibson crossed the ferry that evening, and at the house of Watson met Clark, and two other persons named Reid and Smith, the latter being a surgeon of Cromarty. The parties supped together, and afterwards had a jug of toddy; but before drinking any of it, Gibson asked Clark to settle with him; but Clark said he could not do so then, but would the following day. Gibson drank about three glasses, when he became insensible, in consequence, as it was presumed, of some drug having been mixed with his drink. Between one and two o'clock on Friday morning, a boat's crew came to Watson's house, and with the assistance of Watson, Clark, and others, took Gibson, who was all the time in a state of insensibility, across the Nairn. A chaise was then hired by Watson and others, and into which Gibson was forcibly placed and carried towards Grantown. In the morning Gibson awoke, and found himself in the chaise with Watson, and on observing that he was in a strange part of the country, and asking where he was, Watson replied, "God knows! I was asleep as well as yourself; it is now Saturday morning." And on Gibson expressing his surprise, Watson said, "It was easy for Dr. Smith to make you and me sleep for eight days." Gibson then forced himself out of the chaise, but was soon retaken and put into the chaise again, and was then taken to an inn at Ardclach, about eleven miles from Nairn. They represented Gibson to be out of his mind, who certainly appeared stupid and foolish, and asked the landlady what day of the week it was. Watson and Gibson proceeded to breakfast, and afterwards Gibson laid his head down on a table and pretended to be asleep, and heard Watson go out of the room and call for the driver of the chaise. The driver having come in, Watson and he went to the corner of the room, and Watson pulled a letter from his pocket, and said to the driver, 'This is a letter which I have from my friend Muirton,' (meaning William Mackenzie, of Muirton), and desiring me to try to get Gibson out of the way, as he is 'the cock' of the Tories. Watson further added, ' You will watch the door below, and I will lock the door here, and put the key in my pocket.' Watson then undressed himself and went to bed, and, having fallen asleep, Gibson took the opportunity of forcing the lock of the door with a knife, and went down stairs. Gibson met the driver in the passage, and desired him to put the horses to, and he would walk on before him. Watson afterwards got up and looked after Gibson, and informed the landlady that Gibson was a most respectable man, and that it was not for his vote they cared, but for those of three others. Gibson walked about a mile on the road to Calder, when he was overtaken by the driver without the chaise, who insisted on his return to Mrs. Falconer, the landlady. Gibson returned, got into the chaise, and was drawn to Calder with Watson. On inquiring on the road, Gibson discovered it was then only Friday, although he had previously been informed that it was Saturday. They arrived at Calder about six in the evening, and about an hour afterwards were overtaken by John Strachan, messenger, in Tain, and a person of the name of Mackay, who arrived there in a chaise, and took Gibson back with them to Cromarty the same night, notwithstanding the opposition of Watson, who insisted that Gibson should proceed with him. Gibson was thereby enabled to give his vote the next morning for Thomas Mackenzie, of Apple-cross. On his return to Cromarty, he discovered that his coat had been torn, his hat destroyed, and his face much cut and swollen; his shirt was covered with blood, and he was in a very weak state from the usage he had received." He thought that these facts amounted to a forcible abduction of Gibson, and called for the attention of the House. He was aware, that under ordinary circumstances, the proper course would have been to move, that the parties be committed to the custody of the Sergeant-at-arms; but at the present moment, this course was wholly inappropriate. He had, therefore, determined to move, that a humble Address be presented to her Majesty, praying her Majesty to give directions that there be laid before the House copies of the depositions and declarations taken by the officers of the Crown concerning the forcible taking away of John Gibson, from Cromarty to the parish of Ardclach, in Scotland, on the 13th of April last. The hon. Member then concluded by making a motion to the effect he had just stated.
said, that the circumstances of this case had already been investigated by the officers of the Crown; and it was considered that no further proceedings were necessary to be taken. Very serious imputations were thrown by the petitioners on individuals who had no opportunity to defend themselves. It was a question deserving the serious consideration of the House, whether petitions were to be made the means of attacking the characters of individuals by the insertion of imputations which it was admitted formed no essential part of the proceedings on which the petitioners founded their complaint. If the person had been, subjected to the injurious treatment set forth in the petition, it was competent for him to prosecute the parties inflicting-the injury, but the present complaint was on the part of certain electors of the county of Ross. What injury was it that had been done to them? Had they lost the vote of Mr. Gibson? Not so; because it was admitted in the petition that Mr. Gibson voted on the second day of the election. The electors of Ross, therefore, had no ground of complaint. With respect to the motion before the House, he begged to state to the hon. Gentleman that the uniform practice on the part of his (the Lord Advocate's) predecessors had been to consider it to be inconsistent with the proper course of criminal procedure that any communication of the result of a private inquiry on the part of the Crown, should be made to other parties. As far as regarded the fact, that no further proceedings had been taken on the part of the Crown in this case, he was quite ready to hold himself responsible for that course.
Motion withdrawn.