House Of Commons
Tuesday, August 4, 1846.
MINUTES.] PUBLIC BILLS.—1°. Judgment Creditors.
2°. Cheshire Returning Officer.
Reported. Cheshire Returning Officer.
3°. and passed. Cheshire Returning Officer.
PETITIONS PRESENTED. From Inhabitants of the City of York, for the Adoption of Measures for promoting the Due Observance of the Lord's Day.—By Mr. Thomas Buncombe, from John Williams, Inhabitant of the Town of Holywell; by Sir Robert Harry Inglis, from Archdeacon of Sarum, and from Dean and Chapter of the Collegiate Church of Saint Peter, Westminster; by Mr. Long, from Clergy and Laity of the Deanery of Potterne; and by Colonel Reid, from Members of the Windsor and Eton Church Union, against the Union of St. Asaph and Bangor, but in favour of the Immediate Appointment of a Bishop to the newly erected See of Manchester.—By Mr. Thomas Mackenzie, from Heritors, Magistrates, and Commissioners of Supply of the County of Ross, met in the Court House at Dingwall, for Repeal of the Duties on Malt and Whiskey.—By Mr. Baine, from Bankers, Merchants, Shipowners, and other Traders, Inhabitants of the Town of Greenock, in favour of the Measure proposed by Her Majesty's Government respecting the Sugar Duties.—By Mr. Law, from Inhabitants of Bradford, for an Investigation into the Working of the Anatomy Act, with a view to its Repeal.—From Directors and Members of the York Institute of Popular Science and Literature, in favour of the Corresponding Societies and Lecture Rooms Bill.—By Lord Granville Somerset, from Owners and Occupiers of Fen Lands situated in the Parishes of Northwold and Methwold, in favour of the Drainage of Lands Bill.—By Dr. Bowring, from Inhabitants of the Parish and Borough of Ilfracombe, and by Mr. Thomas Duncombe, from George Williams, Resident in the Parish of Saint John's, in the Town of Cardiff, for the Abolition of Naval and Military Flogging, and for a Strict Investigation into the Treatment of Private Frederick John White, late of Her Majesty's Regiment the 7th Hussars, who was flogged at Hounslow by order of the Commanding Officer.—By Viscount Newport, from Inhabitants of Broseley, and by Mr. Manners Sutton, from Inhabitants of the Town of Cambridge, for the Establishment of Local Courts for the Recovery of Small Debts.—By Mr. Thomas Duncombe, from Edward Baker, of No. 2, Catherine Place, Westminster, late Warder in the Milbank Prison, for an Immediate Inquiry into the Manner in which the Prison of Milbank is conducted.—By Mr. Robert Palmer, from Guardians of the Poor of the Wokingham Union, for Alteration of the Poor Law.—By Mr. Wrynn Ellis, from Chairman, Vice Chairman, and Guardians of the Leicester Poor Law Union, and from Guardians of the Poor of the York Union, for Alteration of the Poor Removal Bill.—By Mr. Henry Berkeley, from Members of the Bristol Peace Society, for the Abolition of Punishment of Death.—By Lord John Russell, from Wholesale Book sellers and Stationers of the City of London and Westminster, respecting the Opening of Railway Parcels.—By Mr. Eliot Yorke, from Bankers, Merchants, Traders, and other Inhabitants of the Borough of Wisbech, for the more easy Recovery of Small Debts.
Cheshire Returning Officer
moved the Second Reading of the Cheshire Returning Officer Bill, and in doing so begged to explain that Chester was a county palatine in itself, and that consequently until the passing of the Act 1 William IV., cap. 70, the writs were always directed to the Chamberlain of the County Palatine of Chester, as the Queen's writ did not run in the county. The 1st William IV., c. 70, abolished the practice; but, nevertheless, since then all the writs for the county had continued to be directed to the Chamberlain, and had been consequently perhaps irregularly issued, and all the hon. Members returned by the various constituencies had been elected under writs issued by that officer. As the practice could prevail no longer, it was necessary to pass the short Act which he had introduced on the preceding evening, under which, for the future, the writs would be directed to the sheriff of the county, or the sheriff of the county of the city of Chester, and former elections would be declared valid. He trusted that the House would allow the Bill to be read a second time, committed, and engrossed, and to be read a third time that evening, or as soon as possible after being engrossed, in order that it might be made law before next Saturday, when the writ issued for the city of Chester should be returned.
Bill read a second time, and passed through all the other stages.
Flogging In Hong-Kong
begged to ask the noble Lord the question of which he had given notice, namely, Whether the attention of the Government had been called to the frequent application of flogging, as a punishment for petty offences, in the island of Hong-Kong, it being stated that no less than fifty-four persons were so punished on Saturday, the 25th day of April last, for not having obtained tickets of registration; and after such infliction, were deliverd over to the Chinese authorities to be subjected to further penalties under the criminal code of that empire?
had received no account whatsoever of the affair alluded to by his hon. Friend; and the only punishment he had received accounts of, as having been inflicted for such an offence was fine and imprisonment, or imprisonment with hard labour. The circumstance, however, to which his hon. Friend had alluded, would receive attention and be inquired into, and by the next mail orders upon the subject would be issued.
begged to hand his hon. Friend the best evidence he possessed of the affair, the Hong-Kong newspaper.
Tenants Of Trinity College, Dublin
would take that opportunity of asking the right hon. Gentleman the Secretary for Ireland, whether he would undertake to direct his attention during the coming recess to the subject of a petition from certain tenants of Trinity College, Dublin, together with the other landlord and tenant questions in Ireland, with a view to carry into effect the recommendations of the Landlord and Tenant Commission? He did not ask with the petitioners that their leases might be converted into perpetuities, but merely that such corporations as they held under might have larger and more extensive powers of granting leases.
replied, that his attention had been called to the subject, and all he could say was, that he would endeavour to bring forward a measure which would remove the existing grievances, whilst preserving a due regard to the interests of Trinity College, as well as of the tenants.
Westminster, Improvement
rose to ask the Attorney General if he would propose an Amendment of the law, affording means of obtaining compensation in the following case, viz.: in the poorer part of St. John's parish, Westminster, there are various persons who have resided for a series of years in the same dwellings without leases, relying on the good faith of their landlords that they would not be dispossessed; and whose families have been supported, and livelihood depends on the good will or business connexion they have established in the locality—they are now about to be removed compulsorily without compensation, and their houses taken down, in order to construct new streets, under the provisions of a "Westminster Improvement Act," passed last year, empowering a building company or association to this effect.
replied, that although every one would admit the hardship, yet the question of landlord and tenant's relative rights was so complicated, that it was wholly impossible the hardship could be satisfactorily remedied.
felt it to be his duty not to let the matter rest.
Tobacco Duties
begged again to call the attention of the House to the subject of the Tobacco Duties. Upon a former occasion he had presented to them facts and figures, showing the enormous increase in the numbor of seizures which had taken place in the United Kingdom, and that five-sevenths of the whole amount of those seizures were connected with tobacco smuggling. Since the year 1842, the convictions under the excise laws had doubled in this country, and had become fivefold in Scotland, and they were chiefly for smuggling tobacco, for which a vast number of receiving houses had been established. He had shown them a publication, which contained 100 folio pages, of the names of sufferers under the penalties of the tobacco excise law. Those persons had been taken before the magistrates and imprisoned, whilst struggling in a successful contest against the Chancellor of the Exchequer. He wanted the House to look into the state of the law, and to inquire into the causes which occasioned so many people to be, under one particular Act, crowded into prison, whilst the public were placed under heavy charges to carry out the punishments to which they had been sentenced, with, as he believed, and as the facts would show, exceedingly little benefit to the revenue. He thought a duty of 1s. per pound would be productive to the revenue, and would prevent a great deal of fraud. The hon. Member concluded by moving a Resolution, that the state of the Tobacco Duties require the revision of Parliament, with a view to their early reduction.
said, that there was no doubt the evils resulting from smuggling were very great; but the hon. Member, when he suggested a reduction, ought to recollect that the reduction would involve the sacrifice of a large amount of revenue, which, in that case, must be made up from some other source. He was not, therefore, prepared, on the part of the Government, to agree to the Motion.
supported the Motion. The maintenance of a large coast-guard establishment, and the adoption of other means to prevent smuggling, were causes of a very great expense to the country.
moved that the House be counted, and there being only thirty-five Members present, it was adjourned at a quarter before Six o'clock.