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Volume 227: debated on Wednesday 9 February 1876

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House Of Commons

Wednesday, 9th February, 1876.

MINUTES.]—NEW WRITS ISSUED— For Huntingdon Borough, v. Sir John Burgess Karslake, knight, Manor of Northstcad; for Enniskillen Borough, v. Viscount Crichton, Commissioner of the Treasury.

SELECT COMMITTEE—Printing, appointed and nominated.

PUBLIC. BILLS— Resolutions in CommitteeOrderedFirst Reading—Intoxicating Liquors (Licensing Boards)* [6]; Permissive Prohibitory Liquor* [19]; Divine Worship Facilities * [30]; Merchant Shipping Acts Amendment* [34]; Publicans Certificates (Scotland) * [45].

OrderedFirst BeadingGame Laws (Scotland) * [3]; Registration of Voters (Ireland) * [4]; Burghs and Populous Places (Scotland) Gas Supply* [5]; Municipal Franchise (Ireland) * [7]; Electoral County Boards (Ireland) * [8]; Coast and Deep Sea Fisheries (Ireland)* [9]; Land Tenure (Ireland)* [10]; Increase of the Episcopate [11]; Waste Lands (Ireland) Reclamation* [12];Training Schools and Ships* [13]; Elementary Education Act (1870) Amendment"[14]; Employers Liability for Injury* [15]; Elementary Education (Application for School Board) * [16]; Borough Franchise (Ireland) * [17]; Barristers and Advocates Fees* [18]; Women's Disabilities Removal * [20]; Ancient

Monuments * [21]; Grand Jury Presentments, &c. (Ireland)* [22]; Employers and Workmen Act (1875) Extension* [23]; Monastic and Conventual Institutions * [24]; Church Rates Abolition (Scotland) * [25]; Sea Insurances (Stamping of Policies) * [26]; Banns of Marriage (Scotland) * [27]; Metropolis Gas Companies * [28]; House Occupiers Disqualification Removal * [29]; Municipal Officers Superannuation * [2]; Real Estate Intestacy* [31]; Orphan and Deserted Children (Ireland) * [32]; Imprisonment for Debt Abolition* [33]; Offences against the Person* [1]; Free Libraries and Museums * [35]; Medical Act Amendment (Foreign Universities) * [36]; Parish Ministers (Scotland) (Exemption from Rates) * [37]; Sale of Intoxicating Liquors on Sunday (Ireland) * [38]; Municipal Privileges (Ireland)* [39]; Landlord and Tenant (Ireland) Act Amendment* [40]; Towns Rating (Ireland) * [41]; Wild Fowl Preservation * [42]; Legal Practitioners * [43]; Judicature Act (1875) Amendment * [44]; Election of Aldermen (Cumulative Vote) * [46]; County Infirmaries (Ireland) * [47]; Burgesses (Scotland) * [48].

The Address In Answer To The Queen's Speech

Report of Address brought up, and read.

said, he was anxious to take that opportunity of expressing the regret he felt, and which he believed would be very widely shared by the House, that in the gracious Speech from the Throne no allusion was made to the present condition of the Royal Navy of this country. He could not doubt that the people of the country regarded the management of the affairs of the Navy and its condition as highly unsatisfactory. He would not go into the matter then; but he considered this a question of primary importance, and he regretted that there was no acknowledgment on the part of the Government that this was a vital question. He trusted that Her Majesty's Government would not repeat the policy which they indulged in, and which they inherited from their Predecessors of allowing the Navy Estimates to be brought forward at a time when it was not possible that they could be properly discussed. The importance of this subject was paramount to that of every other question that would be brought before the House. He hoped that the Navy Estimates would be laid before the House at the very earliest period, so that they might be properly examined and discussed.

Address agreed to:—To be presented by Privy Councillors.

Supply

Resolved, That this House will, upon Friday, resolve itself into a Committee to consider of the Supply to be granted to Her Majesty.

Ways And Means

Resolved, That this House will, upon Friday, resolve itself into a Committee to consider of the Ways and Means for raising the Supply to be granted to Her Majsty.

Increase Of The Episcopate Bill

Leave First Reading

moved for leave to bring in a Bill for enabling Her Majesty and Her Successors to divide Dioceses, and to erect additional Bishoprics in England and Wales.

said, that, assuming the Bill to be the same as that brought in last year, he had some doubts whether he ought not to ask the House not to allow its introduction. He knew that it was the practice of the House to allow the introduction of Bills, and he thought it was sometimes a very inconvenient practice. He considered that this was not a Bill which ought to be brought in by a private Member. He thought that last year, with reference to this Bill, his hon. Friend, himself a model of academic propriety, strained the Forms of the House, and had not shown the consideration which might have been expected from him. However, two wrongs did not make one right, and he did not like sharp practice, and he would not meet discourtesy by discourtesy. In the hope that his hon. Friend would not resort to the tactics adopted last Session, and that Members might not be put to the trouble of carefully watching the Bill, he would not oppose its introduction.

Motion agreed to.

Bill for enabling Her Majesty and Her Successors to divide Dioceses, and to erect additional Bishoprics in England and Wales, ordered to be brought in by Mr. BERESFORD HOPE, Sir JOHN KESNAWAY, and Mr. THOMAS BRASSEY.

Bill presented, and read the first time. [Bill 11]

Printing

Select Committee appointed, "to assist Mr. Speaker in all matters which relate to the Printing executed by Order of this House, and

for the purpose of selecting and arranging for Printing-, Returns and Papers presented in pursuance of Motions made by Members of this House "—Mr. SPENCER WALPOLE, Mr. HENLEY, Mr. CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER, The O'CONOR DON, Mr. HUNT, Mr. STANSFELD, Mr. SCLATER-BOOTH, Mr. DODON, Mr. MASSEY, Mr. WHITEREAD, and Mr. WILLIAM HENRY SMITH:—Three to be the quorum.—( Mr. William Henry Smith.)

Game Laws (Scotland) Bill

On Motion of Mr. M'LAGAN, Bill to amend the Laws relating to Game in Scotland, ordered to be brought in by Mr. M'LAGAN, Sir WILLIAM STIRLING MAXWELL, Sir EDWARD COLEBROOKE, and Mr. JOHN MAITLAND.

Bill presented, and read the first time. [Bill 3.]

Registration Of Voters (Ireland) Bill

On Motion of Mr. MITCHELL HENRY, Bill to amend the Law with reference to the Registration of Parliamentary Voters in Ireland, ordered to be brought in by Mr. MITCHELL HENRY, Mr. MELDON, Mr. SMYTH, Mr. SHAW, and Mr. SULLIVAN.

Bill presented, and read the first time. [Bill 4.]

Burghs And Populous Places (Scotland) Gas Supply Bill

On Motion of Sir WINDHAM ANSTRUTHER, Bill to make provision for lighting Burghs and Populous Places in Scotland with Gas, ordered to be brought in by Sir WINDHAM ANSTRUTHER, Mr. ORR EWING, Mr. GRIEVE, and Mr. WILLIAM HOLMS.

Bill presented, and read the first time. [Bill 5.]

Intoxicating Liquors (Licensing Boards) Bill

Considered in Committee.

(In the Committee.)

Resolved, That the Chairman be directed to move the House, that leave be given to bring in a Bill to provide for the election of Boards for granting Licences for the sale of Intoxicating Drinks.

Resolution reported:—Bill ordered to be brought in by Mr. JOSEPH COWEN, Sir HENRY HAVELOCK, Mr. BURT, and Mr. NORWOOD.

Bill presented, and read the first time, [Bill 6.]

Municipal Franchise (Ireland) Bill

On Motion of Major O'GORMAN, Bill to amend the Law relating to the Municipal Franchise in Ireland, ordered to be brought in by Major O'GORMAN, Mr. BUTT, Mr. RICHARD POWER, and Sir COLMAN O'LOGHLEN.

Bill presented, and road the first time. [Bill 7.]

Electoral County Boards (Ireland) Bill

On Motion of Captain NOLAN, Bill for the establishment of Electoral County Boards in Ireland, ordered to be brought in by Captain NOLAN, Mr. O'CLERY, and Mr. FAY.

Bill presented, and read the first time. [Bill 8.]

Coast And Deep Sea Fisheries (Ireland) Bill

On Motion of Dr. WARD, Bill for the regulalation and encouragement of the Coast and Deep Sea Fisheries of Ireland, ordered to be brought in by Dr. WARD, Mr. BUTT, Mr. COLLINS, and Sir JOSEPH M'KENNA.

Bill presented, and read the first time. [Bill 9.]

Land Tenure (Ireland) Bill

On Motion of Dr. WARD, Bill to amend the Laws relating to the Tenure of Land in Ireland, ordered to be brought in by Dr. WARD, Mr. BUTT, Mr. RICHARD SMYTH, Mr. MELDON, and Mr. ENNIS.

Bill presented, and read the first time. [Bill 10.]

Waste Lands (Ireland) Reclamation Bill

On Motion of Mr. PARNELL, Bill for the Reclamation of Waste Lands in Ireland, ordered to be brought in by Mr. PARNELL, Mr. MACCARTHY, and Captain NOLAN.

Bill presented, and read the first time. [Bill 12.]

Training Schools And Ships Bill

On Motion of Captain PIM, Bill for the provision, regulation, and maintenance of County Training Schools and Training Ships, ordered to be brought in by Captain PIM and Mr. COOPE.

Bill presented, and read the first time. [Bill 13.]

Elementary Education Act (1870) Amendment Bill

On Motion of Mr. DIXON, Bill to amend "The Elementary Education Act, 1870," by making obligatory in England and Wales the attendance of Children at School and the formation of School Boards, ordered to be brought in by Mr. DIXON, Mr. MUNDELLA, Sir JOHN LUBROCK, and Mr. TREVELYAN.

Bill presented, and read the first time. [Bill 14.]

Employers Liability For Injury Bill

On Motion of Mr. MACDONALD, Bill to amend the Law relating to the liability of Employers for Injuries negligently caused to persons in their employment, ordered to be brought in by Mr. MACDONALD, Dr. CAMERON, Mr. MELDON, and Mr. BASS.

Bill presented, and read the first time. [Bill 15.]

ELEMENTARY EDUCATION (APPLICATION FOR SCHOOL BOARD) BILL.

On Motion of Mr. HEYGATE, Bill to amend "The Elementary Education Act, 1870," in respect of the period which must elapse between the rejection and renewal of a Resolution for application for a School Board, ordered to be brought in by Mr. HEYGATE, Mr. PELL, Mr. W. STANHOPE, and Mr. SAMPSON LLOYD.

Bill presented, and read the first time. [Bill 16.]

Borough Franchise (Ireland) Bill

On Motion of Mr. BIGGAR, Bill to assimilate the Borough Franchise of Ireland to that of England, ordered to he brought in by Mr. BIGGAR, Mr. BUTT, Mr. BLENNERHASSETT, Mr. MAURICE BROOKS, and Mr. RICHARD POWER.

Bill presented, and read the first time. [Bill 17.]

Barristers And Advocates Fees Bill

On Motion of Mr. NORWOOD, Bill to enable Barristers at Law and Advocates to recover their Fees, and to render them liable at Law to persons employing them, ordered to he brought in by Mr. NORWOOD, Mr. LEEMAN, Mr. CHAULES LEWIS, Mr. SAMPSON LLOYD, and Mr. ANDERSON.

Bill presented, and read the first time. [Bill 18.]

Permissive Prohibitory Liquor Bill

Considered in Committee.

(In the Committee.)

Resolved, That the Chairman he directed to move the House, that leave be given to bring in a Bin to enable Owners and Occupiers of Property in certain districts to prevent the common sale of Intoxicating Liquors within such districts.

Resolution reported:—Bill ordered to be brought in by Sir WILFERID LAWSON, Sir THOMAS BAZLET, Mr. DOWNING, Mr. RICHARD, Dr. CAMERON, Mr. DALWAY, and Mr. WILLIAM JOHNSTON.

Bill presented, and read the first time. [Bill 19.]

Women's Disabilities Removal Bill

On Motion of Mr. FORSYTH, Bill to remove the Electoral Disabilities of Women, ordered to be brought in by Mr. FORSYTH, Sir ROBERT ANSTRUTHER, Mr. RUSSELL GURNEY, and Mr. STANSFELD.

Bill presented, and read the first time. [Bill 20.]

Ancient Monuments Bill

On Motion of Sir JOHN LUBBOCK, Bill to provide for the Protection of Ancient Monuments, ordered to be brought in by Sir JOHN LUBBOCK, Mr. BERESFORD HOPE, Mr. RUSSELL GURNEY, and Mr. OSBORNE MORGAN.

Bill presented, and read the first time. [Bill 21.]

Grand Juey Presentments, &C (Ireland) Bill

On Motion of Mr. RONAYNE, Bill to provide for the better administration of public moneys now levied by Grand Jury Presentment in Ireland, and for the establishment of Representative Councils in the Irish counties for the management of local affairs, ordered to be brought in by Mr. RONAYNE, Mr. BUTT, and Mr. O'SHAUGHNESSY.

Bill presented, and read the first time. [Bill 22.]

Employers And Workmbn Act (1875) Extension Bill

On Motion of Mr. BURT, Bill to extend the provisions of the Employers and Workmen Act of last Session to seamen whilst they are in British waters, ordered to be brought in by Mr. BURT, Mr. JOSEPH COWEN, Mr. MUNDELLA, and Mr. GOURLEY.

Bill presented, and read the first time. [Bill 23.]

Monastic And Conventual Institutions Bill

On Motion of Mr. NEWDEGATE, Bill for appointing Commissioners to inquire respecting Monastic and Conventual Institutions in Great Britain; and for other purposes connected therewith, ordered to be brought in by Mr. NEWDEGATE, Mr. HOLT, and Sir THOMAS CHAMBERS.

Bill presented, and read the first time. [Bill 24.]

Church Rates Abolition (Scotland) Bill

On Motion of Mr. M'LAREN, Bill to abolish Church Rates in Scotland, ordered to be brought in by Mr. M'LAREN, Dr. CAMERON, Mr. BAXTER, Mr. TREVELYAN, Mr. GRIEVE, Mr. LAING, and Sir GEORGE BALFOUR.

Bill presented, and road the first time. [Bill 25.]

Sea Insurances (Stamping Of Policies) Bill

On Motion of Mr. Serjeant SIMON, Bill to amend the Law relating to the Stamping of Policies of Sea Insurances, ordered to be brought in by Mr. Serjeant SIMON, Mr. HUBBARD, Mr. NORWOOD, and Mr. RATHBONE.

Bill presented, and read the first time. [Bill 26.]

Banns Of Marriage (Scotland) Bill

On Motion of Dr. CAMERON, Bill to abolish the system of proclaiming Banns of Marriage presently in force in Scotland, and to make due provision for the due publication of such Banns in Scotland, ordered to be brought in by Dr. CAMERON, Mr. BAXTER, Mr. BARCLAY, Mr. M'LAREN, and Mr. EDWARD JENKINS.

Bill presented, and read the first time. [Bill 27.]

Metropolis Gas Companies Bill

On Motion of Sir JAMES HOGG, Bill to amend "The Metropolis Gas Act, 1860; "to make further provision for regulating the supply of Gas within the limits of the said Act; and for other purposes relating thereto, ordered to be brought in by Sir JAMES HOGG, Sir ANDREW Lusk, and Mr. GOLDNEY.

Bill presented, and read the first time. [Bill 28.]

House Occupiers Disqualification Removal Bill

On Motion of Sir HENRY WOLFF, Bill to relieve certain Occupiers of Dwelling Houses from being disqualified from the right of voting in the Election of Members to serve in Parliament by reason of their underletting such Dwelling Houses for short terms, ordered to be brought in by Sir HENRY WOLEF, Sir CHARLES RUSSELL, Mr. ONSLOW, and Mr. RYDER.

Bill presented, and read the first time. [Bill 29.]

Municipal Officers Superannuation Bill

On Motion of Mr. RATHBONE, Bill to enable the Mayor, Aldermen, and Burgesses of Municipal Boroughs in England and Wales to grant Superannuation Allowances to their officers, clerks, and servants, ordered to he brought in by Mr. RATHBONE, Mr. BIRLEY, Mr. DIXON, Mr. CAWLEY, Mr. KIRKMAX HODGSON, and Mr. TORR.

Bill presented, and read the first time. [Bill 2.]

Divine Worship Facilities Bill

Considered in Committee.

(In the Committee.)

Resolved, That the Chairman be directed to move the House, that leave be given to bring in a Bin to provide additional facilities for the performance of Divine Worship according to the rites and ceremonies of the Church of England.

Resolution reported:—Bill ordered to be brought in by Mr. WILBRAHAM EGERTON, Mr. BIRLEY, Mr. WHITWELL, and Mr. RODWELL.

Bill presented, and read the first time. [Bill 30.]

Real Estate Intestacy Bill

On Motion of Mr. POTTER, Bill for the better settling the Real Estates of Intestates, ordered to be brought in by Mr. POTTER, Mr. LEATHAM, Sir WILFRID LAWSON, Mr. HOPWOOD, and Mr. WILLIAM EDWIN PRICE.

Bill presented, and read the first time. [Bill 31.]

Orphan And Deserted Children (Ireland) Bill

On Motion of Mr. O'SHAUGHNESSY, Bill to extend the limits of age up to which, with the assent of Boards of Guardians, orphan and deserted pauper children may be supported out of workhouses in Ireland, ordered to be brought in by Mr. O'SHAUGHNESSY, Mr. O'REILLY, Mr. BRUEN, and Mr. REDMOND.

Bill presented, and read the first time. [Bill 32.]

Imprisonment For Debt Abolition Bill

On Motion of Mr. FIELDEN, Bill for the abolition of Imprisonment for Debt by the Inferior Courts, ordered to be brought in by Mr. FIELDEN, Mr. THOMAS BASS, Mr. COBBETT, Mr. ANDERSON, and Mr. KNOWLES.

Bill presented, and read the first time. [Bill 33.]

Offences Against The Person Bill

On Motion of Mr. CHARLEY, Bill to amend the Law relating to Offences against the Person, ordered to be brought in by Mr. CHARLEY and Mr. WHITWELL.

Bill presented, and read the first time. [Bill 1.]

Merchant Shipping Acts Amendment Bill

Acts read; considered in Committee.

(In the Committee.)

Resolved, That the Chairman be directed to move the House, that leave be given to bring in a Bill to amend the Acts relating to Merchant Shipping.

Resolution reported:—Bill ordered to be brought in by Mr. PLIMSOLL, Mr. ROEBUCK, Mr. SAMUDA, and Mr. KIRKMAN HODGSON.

Bill presented, and read the first time. [Bill 34.]

Free Libraries And Museums Bill

On Motion of Mr. MUNDELLA, Bill to facilitate the establishment of Free Libraries and Museums, and Institutions for the teaching of Science and Art, ordered to be brought in by Mr. MUNDELLA, Sir JOHN LUBBOCK, and Mr. COWPER-TEMPLE.

Bill presented, and read the first time. [Bill 35.]

Medical Act Amendment (Foreign Universities) Bill

On Motion of Mr. COWPER-TEMPLE, Bill to amend "The Medical Act, 1858," so far as relates to the registration of women who have taken the degree of Doctor of Medicine in a Foreign University, ordered to be brought in by Mr. COWPER-TEMPLE, Mr. RUSSELL GURNEY, Dr. CAMERON, and Mr. FORSYTH.

Bill presented, and read the first time. [Bill 30.]

Parish Ministers (Scotland) (Exemption From Rates) Bill

On Motion of Mr. JAMES BARCLAY, Bill to remove the exemption of Parish Ministers in Scotland from payment of poor rates and education rates, ordered to be brought in by Mr. JAMES BARCLAY', Mr. BAXTER, Mr. M'LAREN, and Dr. CAMERON.

Bill presented, and read the first time. [Bill 37.]

Sale Of Intoxicating Liquors On Sunday (Ireland) Bill

On Motion of Mr. RICHARD SMYTH, Bill to prohibit the Sale of Intoxicating Liquors on Sunday in Ireland, ordered to be brought in by Mr. RICHARD SMYTH, The O'CONOR DON, Mr. JAMES CORRY, Mr. WILLIAM JOHNSTON, Mr. DEASE, Mr. THOMAS DICKSON, and Mr. REDMOND.

Bill presented, and read the first time. [Bill 38.]

Municipal Privileges (Irelasd) Bill

On Motion of Mr. MAURICE BROOKS, Bill to extend to the Municipal Corporations of Ireland the same privileges as are enjoyed by the Municipal Corporations of England, ordered to be brought in by Mr. MAURICE BROOKS, Mr. BUTT, and Mr. RONAYNE.

Bill presented, and read the first time. [Bill 39.]

Landlord And Tenant (Ireland) Act Amendment Bill

On Motion of Mr. CRAWFORD, Bill to amend "The Landlord and Tenant (Ireland) Act, 1870," ordered to be brought in by Mr. GRAWFORD, Mr. RICHARD SMYTH, Mr. THOMAS DICKSON, and Mr. MACARTNEY.

Bill presented, and read the first time. [Bill 40.]

Towns Rating (Ireland) Bill

On Motion of Sir JOSEPH M'KENNA, Bill to amend the Law relating to the Eating of Towns in Ireland, ordered to be brought in by Sir JOSEPH M'KENNA, Mr. BUTT, Mr. MAURICE BROOKS, and Mr. MELBON.

Bill presented, and read the first time. [Bill 41.]

Wild Fowl Preservation Bill

On Motion of Mr. CHAPLIN, Bill for the Pre-serration of Wild Fowl, ordered to, be brought in by Mr. CHAPLIN and Mr. RODWELL.

Bill presented, and read the first time. [Bill 42.]

Legal Practitioners Bill

On Motion of Mr. CHARLEY, Bill to amend the Law relating to Legal Practitioners, ordered to be brought in by Mr. CHARLEY and Mr. WILLIAM GORDON.

Bill presented, and read the first time. [Bill 43.]

Judicature Act (1875) Amendment Bill

On Motion of Mr. MELDON, Bill to amend "The Judicature Act, 1875," ordered to be brought in by Mr. MELDON, Mr. BUTT, and Mr. O'SHAUGHNESSY.

Bill presented, and read the first time. [Bill 44.]

Publicans Certificates (Scotland) Bill

Considered in Committee.

(In the Committee.)

Resolved, That the Chairman be directed to move the House, that leave be given to bring in a Bill to assimilate the Law of Scotland relating to the granting of Licences to sell Intoxicating Liquors to the Law of England.

Resolution reported:—Bill ordered to be brought in by Dr. CAMERON, Sir WINDHAM ANSTRUTHER, Mr. RAMSAY, and Mr. MACKINTOSH.

Bill presented, and road the first time. [Bill 45.]

Election Of Aldermen (Cumulative Vote) Bill

On Motion of Mr. HEYGATE, Bill to amend the Law relating to the Election of Aldermen in Municipal Boroughs, by the application thereto of the Cumulative Vote, ordered to be brought in by Mr. HEYGATE, Mr. RUSSELL GURNEY, Mr. FAWCETT, Mr. WHEELHOUSB, and Mr. MORLEY.

Bill presented, and read the first time. [Bill 46.]

County Infirmaries (Ireland) Bill

On Motion of Mr. MELDON, Bill to alter the constitution and government of County Infirmaries in Ireland, ordered to be brought in by Mr. MELDON, Mr. PARNELL, Mr. O'SHAUGHNESSY.

Bill presented, and read the first time. [Bill 47.]

Burgesses (Scotland) Bill

On Motion of Mr. M'LAREN, Bill to assimilate the Law of Scotland to that of England respecting the creation of Burgesses, ordered to be brought in by Mr. M'LAREN, Mr. ANDERSON, and Mr. YEAMAN.

Bill presented, and read the first time. [Bill 48.]

House adjourned at half after One o'clock.