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Volume 75: debated on Thursday 3 August 1899

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House Of Commons

Thursday, 3rd August 1899.

Private Bill Business

Bexhill And Rotherfield Railway Bill

Lords Amendment considered, and agreed to.

London And South-Western Railway Bill Lords

Manchester Corporation Tramways Bill Lords

Paisley And Barrhead District Railway Bill Lords

Read the third time, and passed, with an Amendment.

Rochdale Canal Bill Lords

Read the third time, and passed, with an Amendment.

Wolverhampton Corporation Bill Lords

Workington Corporation Bill Lords

Read the third time, and passed, with Amendments.

Birmingham, North Warwickshire, And Stratford-Upon-Avon Railway Bill Lords

As amended, considered:

Amendments made.

Ordered, that Standing Orders 223 and 243 be suspended, and that the Bill be now read the third time.—( Dr. Farquharson.)

Bill read the third time accordingly, and passed with Amendments.

Southport And Lytham Tramroad Bill Lords

Ordered, that, in the case of the South-port and Lytham Tramroad Bill [Lords], as amended, Standing Orders 84, 214, 215, and 239 be suspended, and that the Bill be now taken into consideration provided amended prints shall have been previously deposited.—( Dr. Farquharson.)

Bill considered accordingly.

Ordered, that Standing Orders 223 and 243 be suspended, and that the Bill be now read the third time.—( Dr. Farquharson.)

Bill read the third time accordingly, and passed.

Private Bllls

Ordered, that Standing Orders 220 and 246 relating to Private Bills be suspended for the remainder of the session.

That, as regards Private Bills already returned by the House of Lords with Amendments, such Amendments be now considered.

That, as regards Private Bills to be returned by the House of Lords with Amendments, such Amendments to be considered forthwith.

That, when it is intended to propose any Amendments thereto, a copy of such Amendments shall be deposited in the Private Bill Office, and notice given on the day on which the Bill shall have been returned from the Lords.—( The Chairman of Ways and Means.)

Belfast Corporation Bill

City And Brixton Railway Bill

Gateshead And District Tramways Bill

LONDON, WALTHAMSTOW, AND EPPING FOREST RAILWAY BILL.

WEST METROPOLITAN RAILWAY BILL.

Lords Amendments considered accordingly, and agreed to.

Education Department Provisional Order Confirmation (London) Bill Lords

As amended, further considered.

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In proposing the Amendment which stands in my name, I wish to explain that the object I have in view is to extend the provision which the Home Secretary is inserting in this Order to all the previous Orders confirmed by Parliament. I fully admit that the Home Secretary has given his most sympathetic consideration to the mischief which has been brought to his notice on account of the evasion by the London School Board of its statutory obligations with regard to the re-housing of the occupants of working class dwellings displaced by the acquisition of School Board sites. In my opinion the Home Secretary's provision does not go far enough. There were many such evasions before the year 1895—the limit chosen by the right hon. Gentleman—and it would be an act of gross injustice not to go back before that date. The Home Secretary and the School Board have admitted that the evasions have taken place, and I do not see why, in trying to remedy a mischief which has been deliberately and designedly committed, we should stop short of the full measure of justice which ought to be applied. The question of the re-housing of the working class population is one felt severely in the East End of London among the poorer population, for whose special benefit this provision was made by Parliament; yet the School Board, which is supposed in one department of life to serve the best interests of these classes, has deliberately and of set purpose, and not in ignorance, evaded its plain duty. I trust the Home Secretary will look on my Amendment as the logical outcome of the provision he has inserted in this Order, and that by accepting it he will apply a remedy to what is felt to be a crying evil in the East End of London.

Amendment proposed—

"In page 4, in Amendment inserted in Committee, in line 2, after the word 'Orders,' to insert the word 'previously.' "—(Sir Mancherjee Bhownaggree.)

Question proposed, "That the word 'previously' be there inserted."

THE VICE-PRESIDENT OF THE COMMITTEE OF COUNCIL ON EDUCATION
(Sir JOHN GORST, Cambridge University)

There is no doubt that the evil to which the hon. Member refers does exist, and the intention of Parliament has been evaded. The duty of providing fresh dwellings when more than twenty houses have been acquired in any one year for the erection of a School Board has been evaded by taking less than twenty in a year. In order to meet that evasion, the Home Secretary has proposed an Amendment extending the obligation to replace working-class dwellings to a period of five years; so that if more than twenty houses are taken in five years the replacement is obligatory. The hon. Member wishes to carry it still further, and to make it practically perpetual; but the opinion of the Secretary of State is, that it is not necessary to go beyond the period of five years, for persons displaced earlier than that would probably be lost in the crowd by that time. In fact, it would be carrying the remedy to an unreasonable extent. I hope my hon. friend will be satisfied with the Amendment introduced into this Order—an Amendment which I understand will be introduced henceforth into every Bill of this nature.

The hon. Member who moved this Amendment seemed to think there will be no difficulty experienced by the School Board in giving effect to it. Upon that I join issue with him. He desires its operation should extend back for twenty-five years, and that would involve the London School Board instituting a search for many thousands of people amongst a population of an admittedly migratory character. Moreover, it would involve an expenditure of many thousands of pounds, and bearing in mind how heavy the London School Board rate already is, and remembering also, as a member of the board, that the projects and plans we have for the future do not afford much prospect of any early reduction, I would suggest to the hon. Member that, in trying to do an act of kindness and justice, he may at the same time be inflicting a severe punishment in another direction, by making an increased rate necessary. I think the Amendment of the Home Secretary goes quite far enough. I, for one, view with alarm any prospect of the School Board setting itself to work as a housing authority. The London County Council have done something in that direction, but their work has been marred by the high rents which they have been obliged to charge for the buildings they have erected. The School Board would have to face a like difficulty, and there would be a temptation to them to cramp the play-grounds, so as to reduce their obligations in the matter of re-housing. This evasion of the law has not been confined to the present School Board; it is a, legacy from many previous boards, and I trust the hon. Member will be satisfied with the punishment meted out to us by the Home Secretary.

If the Home Secretary had seen his way to make this provision absolutely retrospective, I, for one, would have been very glad, as the more accommodation we can get for the dispossessed poor the better. But I think the right hon. Gentleman has gone as far as we could expect, and Ministers with large majorities at their backs will be disposed to refuse all concessions if they find that when they offer reasonable ones they are met in a hostile spirit.

I agree with the last speaker that my hon. friend would be well advised not to press this Amendment, in view of the sympathetic treatment the Government have given to the matter. At the same, time, I hold that he has done well in calling public attention to the subject. It is almost incredible that a public body in the position of the London School Board should for a number of years continue to evade Acts of Parliament for the benefit of the working classes. We have to face the fact that this public body has broken the law, and is now putting forward the astonishing defence that it would cost them a great deal of money to undo the wrong. So much the worse for them and for the ratepayers, who have been so foolish as to entrust their educational interests to a body of that kind. The board has been fanatically set upon the erection of school after school, wholly regardless of the interests of the working classes and of voluntary schools; and, now they are asked to pay the bill, they complain that the demand is unreasonable. I think my hon. friend has done well to bring the matter before the House, and I hope the people of London, when the next School Board election comes round, will take effectual measures to prevent a recurrence of such conduct.

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After what has been said on behalf of the Government, and being satisfied with the opportunity I have had of calling attention to the great mischief which has occurred in the past, so as to prevent its recurrence in the future, I beg leave to withdraw my Amendment.

Amendment, by leave, withdrawn.

Bill to be read the third time To-morrow.

London Water (Welsh Reservoirs And Works) Bill

Order [13th March] that the London Water (Welsh Reservoirs and Works) Bill be read a second time read, and discharged:—Bill withdrawn.— [Dr. Farquharson.)

Petitions

Poor Law Amendment (Scotland) Act, 1845

Petitions for alteration of Law; from Castleton; Fodderty; and, Kennethmont; to lie upon the Table.

Returns, Reports, &C

Police (Metropolis)

Copy presented.—of Report of the Commissioners of Police for the Metropolis for 1898 [by Command]; to lie upon the Table.

Reformatory And Industrial Schools (Great Britain)

Copy presented,—of Forty-second Report of the Inspector for 1898 [by Command]; to lie upon the Table.

Inebriates Acts, 1879 And 1888

Copy presented,—of Report of Nineteenth Report of the Inspector of Retreats, for the year 1898 [by Command]; to lie upon the Table.

Prisons (England And Wales)

Copy presented,—of Report of the Commissioners of Prisons and the Directors of Convict Prisons for the year ended 31st March 1899 [by Command]; to lie upon the Table.

Revenue And Expenditure (England, Scotland And Ireland)

Return presented,—relative thereto [ordered 18th April; Mr. Lough]; to lie upon the Table, and to be printed. (No. 317.)

Imperial Revenue (Collection And Expenditure) (Great Britain And Ireland)

Return presented,—relative thereto [ordered 18th April; Mr. Lough]; to lie upon the Table, and to be printed. (No. 318.)

Post Office Telegraphs (Revenue And Expenditure)

Return presented,—relative thereto [ordered 25th July; Mr. Hanbury]; to lie upon the Table, and to be printed. (No. 319.)

Post Office (Revenue And Expenditure)

Return presented,—relative thereto [ordered 25th July; Mr. Hanbury]; to lie upon the Table, and to be printed. (No. 320.)

Taxes And Imposts

Return presented,—relative thereto [ordered 20th April; Mr. Goddard]; to lie upon the Table, and to be printed. (No. 321.)

Vagrant Children Relieved

Return presented,—relative thereto [ordered 16th March; Mr. Maddison]; to lie upon the Table, and to be printed. (No. 322.)

London (Equalisation Of Rates) Act, 1894 (Accounts Under Section 1 (7) Of The Act)

Return presented,—relative thereto [ordered 21st July; Mr. T. W. Russell]; to lie upon the Table, and to be printed.[No. 323.]

County Treasurers'fee Fund (Ireland)

Account presented,—for the year ended 25th March 1899 [by Act];to lie upon the Table.

Army (Medical Department)

Copy presented,—of Report for the year 1898, Volume XL. [by Command]; to lie upon, the Table.

Colonial Reports (Annual)

Copy presented,—of Report No. 264 (Gambia, Annual Report for 1898) [by Command]; to lie upon the Table.

Colonial Reports (Annual)

Copy presented,—of Report No. 265 (St. Helena, Annual Report for 1898) [by Command]; to lie upon the Table.

Papers Laid Upon The Table By The Clerk Of The House

  • 1. Adjournment Motions under Standing Order No. 17,—Return relative thereto [ordered 1st August; Dr. Farquharson]; to be printed. [No. 324.]
  • 2. Closure of Debate (Standing Order No. 25),—Return relative thereto [ordered 1st August; Dr. Farquharson]; to be printed. [No. 325.]
  • 3. Divisions of the House,—Return relative thereto [ordered 1st August; Dr. Farquharson]; to be printed.
  • 4. Private Bills and Private Business,—Return relative thereto [ordered 1st August; Dr. Farquharson,]; to be printed.
  • 5. Public Bills,—Return relative thereto [ordered 1st August; Dr. Farquharson]; to be printed.
  • 6. Public Petitions,—Return relative thereto [ordered 1st August; Dr. Farquharson]; to be printed.
  • 7. Select Committees,—Return relative thereto [ordered 1st August; Dr. Farquharson]; to be printed.
  • 8. Sittings of the House,—Return relative thereto [ordered 1st August; Dr. Farquharson]; to be printed.
  • 9. Business of the House (Days Occupied by Government and by Private Members),—Return relative there [ordered 1st August; Dr. Farquharson]; to be printed. [No. 326.]
  • County Courts (Plaints And Sittings)

    Address for "Returns from every County Court in England and Wales of the total number of Plaints, etc., entered in each Court from the 1st day of January to the 31st day of December, 1898, both days inclusive, distinguishing those not exceeding £20, those above £20 and not exceeding £50, and those by agreement over £50."

    "And of the Sittings of the County Courts in England and Wales holden before the Judges of such Courts in the year 1898 (in continuation of Parliamentary Paper, No. 385, of Session 1898)."—( Mr. Jesse Collings.)

    Tramways (Street And Road)

    Return ordered,—"of Street and Road Tramways authorised by Parliament, showing the amount of Capital authorised, paid up, and expended; the length of Tramway authorised, and the length open for the public conveyance of passengers, down to the 30th day of June, 1899; the gross Receipts, working Expenditure, and net Receipts; the number of Passengers conveyed and the number of miles run by Cars during the year ending the 30th day of June, 1899; together with the number of Horses, Engines, and Cars at that date (in continuation of Parliamentary Paper, No. 355, of Session 1898."—( Mr. Ritchie.)

    Return presented accordingly; to lie upon the Table, and to be printed. [No. 327.]

    Questions

    Training Ship For Harwich Harbour

    :I beg to ask the First Lord of the Admiralty if he can now state whether a training ship for boys of the Royal Navy is to be stationed in Harwich Harbour.

    A plan to that effect is taking shape.

    Discharges From The Royal Marines

    I beg to ask the First Lord of the Admiralty whether his attention has been called to a statement of Mrs. Farquhar, of 83, Dalmarnock Road, Glasgow, to the effect that in May last, after correspondence with the Admiralty as to the steps to be taken to secure the discharge of her husband, John Farquhar, who on 1st May had enlisted in the Marines and was serving on board H.M.S. "Northumberland," she sent £10 to the master-at-arms of that vessel, receipt of which was duly acknowledged, to procure his discharge; whether she has sent to the Admiralty documents in proof of her statement, but that, on the excuse that the £10 has been lost, her husband still remains undischarged; and whether he will take steps to have the case promptly settled, either by discharging Farquhar or returning the £10, for which his wife, a very poor woman, having had to borrow, it, is responsible.

    The first intimation received at the Admiralty with regard to the matter referred to in the question was by a letter received from Mrs. Farquhar on July 20th. A report as to the circumstances, which was at once called for from H.M.S. "Northumberland," was received yesterday, August 2nd. It appears that the delay, as set out in the question, has been occasioned by the purchase money having been sent in Scotch notes, which were refused by the Accountant Officer of the ship and were subsequently handed to Farquhar, the husband whose discharge his wife was seeking. He states that he himself lost them while vainly endeavouring to get them changed into gold at the local banks. Under the special circumstances, though the necessary money has not been received by the Government, Farquhar's discharge will be sanctioned without any further payment.

    Army Ordnance Department, Pimlico

    I beg to ask the Under Secretary of State for War whether, seeing that it is contemplated that no Civil Servants of higher rank than Second Division clerks are to be employed in the Army Ordnance Department, Pimlico, it is to be understood that the superior duties now performed by the storekeeper and the staff officers, and the regulations and estimates work until recently in the hands of the principal clerk, will eventually be discharged by Ordnance officers; and, if not, by whom they will be discharged; whether steps are being, taken to have the future Civil establishment in the Store and Factory fixed at the same time as the accounts are taken over by the Accountant-General; and by what date the whole re-organisation of the Clothing Department will be at length completed and the new clerical establishments settled.

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    The matter is still under consideration.

    War Office Administration

    On behalf of the hon. Member for West Belfast I beg to ask the Under Secretary of State for War whether the attention of the Secretary of State has been called to the statement made in evidence before the War Office Re-Organisation Committee by the Lieutenant-General Commanding at Aldershot to the effect that he thought, and he believed he had sufficiently verified his opinion, that the whole system of reports, regulations, and warrants under which the Army now serves has grown up entirely for the benefit of the War Office clerks, and to find work for the War Office, rather than to provide control over the Army; whether during a period of ten years the officer referred to held a post of Quarter-master-General and Adjutant-General at the War Office, and whether during that period he made any official report respecting the office over which he presided to the same effect as the statement above referred to; and whether the facts are as stated by Sir Redvers Buller; and, if so, whether any, and what, steps have been taken to put an end to such a state of things.

    The Committee on Decentralisation reported to the Secretary of State, and he laid its Report, with the evidence, before Parliament. The sentence quoted formed part only of one reply in the course of a long examination; and an accurate knowledge of Sir Redvers Buller's views can best be gathered by reading the whole of his evidence. In reply to the second paragraph, Sir Redvers Buller did not make any report with respect to the branches of the War Office over which he presided; his views on the clerical staff of the whole office were before the Secretary of State in 1895, when certain changes were under consideration. In reply to the third paragraph, the question is one of opinion and not of fact.

    Recruits' Ages

    I beg to ask the Under Secretary of State for War whether he will state the extent to which the experiment to establish a system of verification of the ages of recruits for the Army was carried, and what means were employed; whether the general qualifications as to character, education, and re- spectability of the recruits whose ages could not be verified could compare favourably with those of the recruits who had no difficulty in producing satisfactory proof of age; and whether the immediate discharge from the Army can always be procured of boys proved to be under seventeen years who are prompted thoughtlessly by the allurements of the recruiting agency to give false statements as to their ages, such discharge from the Army taking place without punishment being awarded them from either a civil or military court.

    Search was made in the registers at Somerset House, in Edinburgh, and in Dublin for the certificates concerning 18,000 recruits under the age of twenty according to the places of birth and dates given on attestation. Although a liberal margin was allowed for errors in date, 45 percent. could not be traced at all, and 15 percent. were very doubtful. The labour was very great and the result was not considered to be of sufficient value to justify its continuance. There is no record of the comparative characters of the men identified and those not identified. A boy proved to be under seventeen years of age is immediately discharged; but under Sections 33 and 99 of the Army Act he is liable to punishment for having made a false statement of age on attestation.

    Indian Government Contracts—Iron Manufacture

    I beg to ask the Secretary of State for India if it is the practice of the Indian Government to treat Indian manufacturers of iron and of other products purchased by the Government on equal terms with British or Continental manufacturers as ordered by paragraph 28, of Resolution 185, January, 1883.

    In November, 1895, I instructed the Government of India to be careful to avoid giving any preference to either English or Indian goods, as such, and so far as I am aware they have acted, and are acting, accordingly.

    Ecclesiastical Titles In India

    I beg to ask the Secretary of State for India whether, having regard to the importance of Her Majesty's Indian Empire, and to the fact that certain bishops of the Church of England in the colonies have recently adopted and assumed the style of Archbishop, Her Majesty's Government will take steps to amend the statutes affecting the Church of England in the East Indies, so as really to confer on the Bishop of Calcutta, as statutory Metropolitan Bishop in India, the style and precedence of an Archbishop.

    I am well aware of the nature of the position of the Bishop of Calcutta as Metropolitan of India, and the suggestion contained in the hon. Member's question is not new to me. But there are many important considerations involved, and it is impossible for me at present to give any undertaking on the subject.

    Major Parsons, 7Th Bengal Cavalry

    On behalf of the hon. Member for South Donegal, I beg to ask the Secretary of State for India whether his attention has been drawn to the case of Major (then Lieutenant) J. H. Parsons, 7th Bengal Cavalry, who was appointed in July, 1884, to the Burma Commission as Supernumerary Assistant Commissioner, but was obliged to go home to England on sick leave in 1886; whether he is aware that in 1890 Major Parsons was offered an opportunity of returning to his post in Burma, which he declined to accept, whereupon his name disappeared from the list of Commissioners, but that in April, 1897, Major Parsons was replaced in the Burma Commission after an absence of eleven and a-half years, and in July, 1898, was appointed to the post of Deputy Commissioner, third grade, superseding all the officers in the fourth grade, who had given a continuous service to the Commission; whether, seeing that the Secretary of State for India cancelled the orders of the Local Government of Burma, and reduced Major Parsons to the post of a Deputy Commissioner of the fourth grade, will he explain on what grounds the Burma Government has appointed that officer to officiate as Deputy Commissioner, first grade; and what steps will be taken to enforce the orders of the Secretary of State for India, granting redress to the officers who had been injured by being superseded in their promotion in favour of Major Parsons.

    I have to refer the hon. Member to the answer which I gave on the 1st instant to the hon. Member for the Basingstoke Division, and which, I think, covers all the points in this question. As I then stated, the orders given by me appear to have been duly carried out, and the recent promotions of Major Parsons have not interfered and will not interfere with those of other members of the Burma Commission.

    Guaranteed Railways In India

    I beg to ask the Secretary of State for India whether he could state the dates at which, within the next two years, notice should be given to the several guaranteed or subsidised Indian railways for the termination or revision of their existing contracts or agreements with the Government of India or Secretary of State; and whether due care would be taken in any revision or renewal of these agreements so to limit the new terms as to safeguard the interests of the Government and taxpayers of India.

    Within the next two years notice of termination of contract may be given to one guaranteed Indian railway company, viz., the Great Indian Peninsula Railway Company (on any day within six months after the 17th of August, 1899). The contract with the Rohilkund and Kumaon Railway Company for the completion and working of the Lucknow-Bareilly State Railway may be terminated on the 31st of December, 1900, or on the 31st of December in any subsequent year, by giving not less than twelve months' previous notice. In any revision of contracts with Indian railway companies the interests of the Government and taxpayers of India will be duly safeguarded.

    The Transvaal Petitions

    I beg to ask the Secretary of State for the Colonies whether, in view of the fact that, at the Bloemfontein Conference, President Kruger strongly disputed the genuineness of the petition from the Transvaal submitted to Her Majesty, and asserted that over 23,000 Uitlanders had sent him a counter petition, the proposed Joint Committee will be instructed to inquire to what extent the franchise is really desired by British Uitlanders, and how many would be willing to forfeit their British nationality in order to obtain it, and also to inquire whether the Uitlander movement in the Transvaal is, as alleged, to any and what extent due to instigation of capitalists and their agents.

    The inquiry will be confined to the details of the reforms required for giving immediate substantial representation to the Uitlanders. Full information is given as to the genuineness of the petition to the Queen on pages 184 and 224 of the Blue Book C. 9,345, and pages 46 and 60 and following pages of the Blue Book C. 9,404, as to the character of the counter petition on page 237 of C. 9,345 and page 22 of C. 9,404, and as to the nature of the Uitlander movement on pages 135, 163, and 207 of C. 9,345.

    British New Guinea Ordinances

    I beg to ask the Secretary of State for the Colonies whether the monetary claims arising out of the disallowance of the Ordinance conferring certain concessions upon the British New Guinea Syndicate have yet been adjusted; and, if so, whether he can state the nature of the arrangement that has been arrived at.

    The negotiations respecting the claims of the British New Guinea Syndicate have been carried on between the Syndicate and Governments of the three Colonies concerned through their Agents-Generals. I have not been informed that a settlement has been arrived at.

    Contempt Of Court In The West Indies

    I beg to ask the Secretary of State for the Colonies whether, seeing that the Royal assent was given to The Barba does Contempt of Court Act, 1891, under which all cases of contempt, except in facie curiœ, must be tried by a jury and a judge other than the one who may be aggrieved; and that, on the 19th May, 1898, Her Majesty, by Order in Council, assented to a similar measure passed in the Leeward Islands, he would instruct the Governors of the Windward Islands and the adjoining Crown Colonies under the control of the Colonial Office to pass a law on the same lines, so as to make legislation on the subject uniform in the West Indies.

    I recognise the convenience of uniformity of legislation on the subject in the West Indian Colonies, and I will bring the matter under the consideration of the Governors of the Colonies referred to.

    Sierra Leone

    I beg to ask the Secretary of State for the Colonies whether his attention has been specially drawn to page 121 of the Blue Book on Sierra Leone, just issued, from which it appears that in one of the recent trials, viz., Regina v. Caulker, three witnesses swore to the prisoner having killed a Mr. Roberts with his own hand, whereas it appeared, on looking up another murder case which had been held by the Deputy Judge, that Roberts was killed by an entirely different person, and so the prisoner was fortunately acquitted. And, whether, having regard to the kind of evidence produced at these trials, he will cause inquiry to be made into the circumstances of the prisoners who were convicted, with a view to the extension to them in suitable cases of the clemency of the Crown.

    Yes, Sir, my attention was called to the statement which appears on page 121 of the Blue Book to which the hon. Member's question refers. The evidence of natives requires very careful sifting, and the judge who tried the persons charged with murder, and who was especially selected for the purpose, exercised very great care. I see no reason to direct any general inquiry into the cases which have been tried, but if in any special case circumstances should be found to afford grounds for further inquiry, it will, of course, be made.

    I beg to ask the Secretary of State for the Colonies whether, having regard to the fact that Sir F. Cardew, Governor of Sierra Leone, brought a very serious impeachment against the newspaper press and the community of that colony—viz., that of inciting the natives of the Protectorate to resist payment of the hut tax, and that Her Majesty's Special Commissioner, Sir David Chalmers, has reported that Sir F. Cardew has entirely failed to establish this charge against the people of the colony which he administers, will he consider the advisability of transferring Sir F. Cardew to some other sphere of employment.

    The question of the effect of certain actions of individuals and of articles in the local press is a matter of opinion on which Sir D. Chalmers and Sir F. Cardew are not in full agreement; but even if Sir F. Cardew has, as I hope is the case, attached undue importance to these matters, it is not, in my opinion, a reason for putting a slight on a distinguished and zealous officer who has administered the government of the colony in most difficult and trying circumstances.

    I beg to ask the Secretary of State for the Colonies whether Sir David Chalmers recommended that the Insurgents' Temporary Detention Ordinance, 1898 (Sierra Leone), should be immediately repealed; and whether Commander Sir F. Cardew has admitted that this Ordinance could safely be repealed; and, if so, will he state why this course has not been taken.

    The facts are as stated. No action has been taken under the Ordinance for some time past, and instructions will now be given for its repeal.

    I beg to ask the Secretary of State for the Colonies whether Bai Bureh has been deported to Accra; and, having regard to the fact that Commander Sir F. Cardew reported that Bai Bureh had fought us squarely and well, and recommended that he should be allowed to return to his people, will he state upon what grounds this recommendation has not been adopted.

    I have not lost sight of the recommendation referred to; but, upon consulting the local authorities and Sir F. Cardew as to the date at which Bai Bureh should be sent back, I came reluctantly to the conclusion that it would not be advisable to allow him to return at present, and that in the meantime it would be better for Bai Bureh that he should be removed to Accra, where more liberty could be given him than in Freetown.

    British Commercial Attachés Abroad

    I beg to ask the Under Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs if any decision has been arrived at by Her Majesty's Government with respect to the increase in the number of British Commercial Attachés abroad.

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    Her Majesty's Government, with a view to furthering British trading interests, have decided to appoint commercial agents in certain countries. Appointments will shortly be made in Russia, Switzerland, China and America. These agents will not have diplomatic rank, but will visit various commercial centres, and will be available for special consultation by British firms in respect of various, industries by payment of a moderate fee, such fees going to the Exchequer and not to the commercial agent, who will be paid by salary. The appointments will be made experimentally for two or three years.

    Foreign Service Messengers

    I beg to ask the Under Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs whether the Secretary of State is acting on the recommendations, in respect to Foreign Service messengers, contained in paragraph 20 of the final Report of the Ridley Commission, other than the recommendations as to salary and age which he has accepted.

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    The Secretary of State in filling up the appointment of Queen's Messenger is ready as a general rule to give the preference to gentlemen, who have served in the Army or Navy, though not necessarily on half-pay or in receipt of pension, but he does not hold that the recommendations of the Commission deprive him of the power of appointing suitable civilians. The Secretary of State will also take care that the candidates selected possess a colloquial knowledge of French, are able to ride, to keep simple accounts, and are pronounced medically fit. The office of Queen's Messenger is included in Schedule B of the Order in Council of June 4th, 1870, and is therefore not one for which an examination is obligatory.

    Red Sea Lights

    I beg to ask the President of the Board of Trade when it may be expected that the lighthouses which the Porte is said to have agreed to construct in the southern portion of the Red Sea will be commenced, and if any arrangement has been entered into or is pending for authorising the collection of dues in respect of such lights; and whether the annual surplus of the Egyptian lights revenue, amounting to £45,000, is considered available for this purpose, or if such surplus can only be applied to the reduction of dues on Egyptian lights in conformity with the Convention between Great Britain and Egypt; in the latter case when a reduction may be looked for.

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    As regards the first paragraph of this question there is nothing at present to be added to the answer given to the question of the right hon. Member for the North-east Division of Manchester on the 27th of July ultimo. The sum available for the construction of the proposed lighthouses in the Red Sea is the accumulated amount, about £80,000 sterling, to which reference was made in reply to my hon. Friend's question of July 29th. I would, however, remind him that the dues were reduced by 30 per cent, on September 1st, 1897, and the revenue derived from them has fallen from £E110,000 in 1896 to £E87,000 in 1898. The engagement on the part of the Egyptian Government to reduce the Egyptian light dues by £E40,000, to which the hon. Member alludes, is contingent on the application of the customs tariff to all the Powers. This contingency has not yet arisen.

    British Claims For Losses In Constantinople

    On behalf of the hon. Member for South Donegal, I beg to ask the Under Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs, whether Her Majesty's Government have received a petition from the British merchants in Constantinople, dated 9th May, 1898, praying for an early settlement of their claims against the Turkish Government for losses sustained by them in August, 1896, during the pillage of Pera, Galata, Stamboul, and Hasskein by a mob; whether Her Majesty's Ambassador to the Sublime Porte has reported that the mob in question was organised by and worked under the orders of Turkish officials whose names are known to the Ambassador; whether the Secretary of State is aware that two British firms at Constantinople have been compelled to suspend payment in consequence of the magnitude of their losses on that occasion, and that other firms are in financial difficulties from the same cause; and whether, seeing that no attention has been paid by the Ottoman Government to the note verbale, addressed to it by Sir Philip Currie on 24th March, 1898, Her Majesty's Government will now consider the advisability of liquidating the claims of the petitioners and recovering the sum paid from the Ottoman Government from the profits which will accrue by the conversion of the Cyprus Tribute into Two and a-half Per Cent. Consolidated Stock.

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    The petition has been received. Her Majesty's Ambassador has not made the Report stated, but Her Majesty's Government consider that there are grounds for holding the Turkish Government liable to make compensation in certain cases. Her Majesty's Government are aware that the losses suffered on the occasion have caused serious embarrassment to several of the sufferers. They will continue to press the claim, but no arrangement has yet been made of the nature suggested in regard to the surplus revenue of Cyprus, and, consequently, no assurance can be given on the subject.

    Her Majesty's Consul At Smyrna

    On behalf of the hon. Member for South Donegal, I beg to ask the Under Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs whether the attention of the Secretary of State has been called to the unsatisfactory relations which for some time have existed between Mr. H. C. Cumber batch, Her Majesty's Consul at Smyrna, and the members of the British community in that city; whether he is aware that Mr. Cumber batch is Chairman of the Committee of the Seamen's Hospital, which has made grave charges against the personal character of the British medical officer of that city; can he state whether these charges have been disproved or withdrawn; and whether Mr. Cumberbatch still performs consular duties at Smyrna, and enjoys the confidence of Her Majesty's Government.

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    The Secretary of State is not aware that unsatisfactory relations exist between Her Majesty's Consul at Smyrna and the members of the British community there. Charges against the personal character of the surgeon of the Seamen'sHospital were brought before the Hospital Committee, of which the Consul is the ex-officio chairman. The Judge of the Supreme Court at Constantinople eventually investigated these charges, and pronounced them to have been without any foundation. Mr. Cumberbatch still performs consular duties at Smyrna, and enjoys the confidence of Her Majesty's Government.

    United States Navigation Laws

    I beg to ask the Under Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs whether his attention has been called to Department Circular No. 17, dated 8th February, 1899, promulgated by the Treasury Department of the Bureau of Navigation at Washington, United States of America, reciting an amendment in the Federal Laws of 1884, by an Act approved 21st December, 1898; whether, under the amendment referred to, it becomes unlawful to pay any seaman wages in advance of the time when he has actually earned the same; also, whether any shipmaster paying such an advance to seamen becomes liable to heavy fine and six months' imprisonment; whether any treaty exists between Great Britain and the United States exempting our national shipping from the operation of American domestic legislation, which is in conflict with British law, or otherwise; and whether Her Majesty's Government are prepared to negotiate with the United States for the protection of British shipowners and seamen in regard to advances, which are legal in this country, and especially against the exaction of what is called "blood money" by crimps in lieu of such advances.

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    My attention has been called to the Circular issued by the Treasury Department of the Bureau of Navigation at Washington. The questions affecting British shipping which arise in connection with the United States law referred to are receiving the careful consideration of Her Majesty's Government.

    City Chamberlain's Jurisdiction Over Apprentices

    On behalf of the hon. Member for Pontefract, I beg to ask the Secretary of State for the Home Department whether he is aware that recently the City Chamberlain sentenced two boys, serving as apprentices to Messrs. Eyre and Spottiswoode, to fourteen days" solitary confinement at Bridewell for trifling offences connected with the breaking of their indentures; whether he will state to the House by virtue of what authority the City Chamberlain has jurisdiction in such matters, and whether the procedure followed is similar to the procedure of other courts; and whether he will make inquiries with a view to ascertaining if such jurisdiction and procedure is applicable to existing conditions.

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    THE SECRETARY OF STATE FOR THE HOME DEPARTMENT
    (Sir M. WHITE RIDLEY, Lancashire, Blackpool)

    The City Chamberlain has an ancient customary jurisdiction in connection with the Mayor's Court to adjudicate on disputes between masters and apprentices, and commits apprentices to the Bridewell for misconduct in accordance with a, scheme approved by the Master of the Rolls (under 52, George III. c. 101, and. the Charitable Trusts Acts). I am not aware of any reason for dissenting from the view expressed by my predecessors that the Chamberlain's Court is distinguished for its impartial administration and care of the rights of apprentices. I may add that the Bridewell is not a prison coming within the provisions of the Prison Act., nor is it in any way under the inspection or control of the Home Office.

    Maintenance In Industrial And Reformatory Schools

    I beg to ask the Secretary of State for the Home Department whether his attention has been drawn to paragraph 19 of the 4th Report of the Committee on Public Accounts; and whether, pending the future legislation therein referred to, he proposes to take any measures to enforce the better collection of parental contributions towards the maintenance of children detained in reformatory and industrial schools.

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    A Bill containing provisions relating to the parental contributions referred to was introduced into and passed the House of Lords this session. I am sorry that it was impossible for any further progress to be made with it, but I may say that the inspector and his agents are instructed to use every effort to keep up and improve the present standard of collection; and that, even with the law as it stands, the increased energy devoted to this matter has not been without success.

    Lancashire Sea Fisheries Committee

    I beg to ask the President of the Board of Trade if he will consider, before granting further powers to the Lancashire Sea Fisheries Committee, the cost already incurred, and the loss suffered by the fishermen.

    THE PRESIDENT OF THE BOARD OF AGRICULTURE
    (Mr. LONG, Liverpool, West Derby) (for Mr. Ritchie)

    The only application from this Committee for further powers at present before the Board of Trade is one for sanction to a bye-law for limiting the kind of nets or instruments to be used in fishing for shrimps or prawns in a certain part of the Mersey estuary. A public local inquiry will be held in regard to this, and any representations that fishermen or others interested may make to the inspector will receive the careful consideration of the Board of Trade. As regards any applications that may hereafter be made I can only say that due regard will be had to the interests of all those who may be affected by them.

    Accommodation For Lascar Seamen

    I beg to ask the President of the Board of Trade whether he is now in a position to state if the 210th Section of the Merchant Shipping Act, which deals with the accommodation of seamen on board ship, applies to Lascar and other native seamen in the same manner as it applies to seamen engaged on board British vessels registered in ports of the United Kingdom; and if he is now in the position to give the opinion of the Law Officers of the Crown in accordance with the promise made some months ago.

    Yes, Sir. The Board of Trade are now in possession of the opinion of the Law Officers of the Crown with regard to the point to which the hon. Member refers. The opinion is to the effect that the Board have acted properly in declining to allow any deduction from tonnage in respect of Lascar crew space which is not in accordance with the requirements of Section 210 of the Merchant Shipping Act; further, that the question whether proceedings should be taken to enforce these requirements is one for the consideration of the Board of Trade under all the circumstances of the case, among which are the provisions of Section 25 of the Imperial Act of George IV., 4 c. 80 and the conflicting provisions of the Indian Merchant Shipping Acts. At the moment, I can only say that the matter in all its bearings shall receive very careful consideration, and that I have already placed myself in communication with the India Office with a view of securing, if possible, an assimilation of the Indian to the Imperial law on the subject.

    May I call attention to the fact that the right hon. Gentleman has not answered my question? I want to know whether the Law Officers of the Crown advise that the company are breaking the law in not providing for Lascars the same accommodation as the British seamen.

    Obviously I cannot give any further answer in the unavoidable absence of my right hon. friend.

    I have been promised an answer to this question for over four months. I shall take an early opportunity to call attention to the matter unless I soon get one.

    Weights And Measures Act—Brewers' Casks

    I beg to ask the President of the Board of Trade if he will explain to the House upon what statutory or legal authority, and under what case decided in a competent court of law, the Board of Trade issued their letter to the Warwickshire County Council dated 26th January, 1895, marked T.S.H 86, stating that brewers' casks in use which did not bear any permanent representation upon the cask itself, by way of marking or otherwise of its capacity or of the measure of its contents, were to be considered as exempt from obligation to the Statute and the operations of The Weights and Measures Act, 1878, under Section 22.

    In December, 1894, the Warwickshire County Council asked for the "views" of the Board of Trade upon the subject, and in January, 1895, the Board wrote the letter referred to in the question upon the advice of their solicitor. I do not admit that the hon. Gentleman's question gives an accurate resumé of that letter.

    Light Dues

    I beg to ask the President of the Board of Trade if his attention has been called to the fact that light dues have been levied against vessels engaged in inland navigation and in areas not lighted at the expense of the General Lighthouse Fund; and, if so, whether he will make such alterations as may be necessary to relieve these vessels from this tax.

    The question whether light dues should be levied on vessels exclusively engaged in areas not lighted at the expense of the General Lighthouse Fund has been brought to my notice. I am advised that such vessels are not exempt under the Act, and can only be exempted by Order in Council. This claim to exemption is only one of several which have arisen since the passing of the Act, and I propose that they shall all be very carefully considered as soon as we have a little more experience of the operation of the Act.

    Fraserburgh Light Railway

    I beg to ask the President of the Board of Trade whether he can now state when the Order for the Light Railway from Fraser burgh to St. Courts will be issued.

    The Board of Trade understand from the promoters that they will apply for confirmation of the Order as soon as they have settled with the Treasury the terms of the agreement for an advance of money from the State.

    Electric Tramcar Accident In Dublin

    I beg to ask the President of the Board of Trade whether he is aware that three passengers on an electric tramcar in Dublin, on Sunday last, were injured by the breaking of the electric wires, which was caused by a passenger pulling the trolly rope in mistake for the bell rope to stop the car; whether he is aware that Mr. Mahoney, the magistrate before whom a police charge was brought arising out of the accident, censured the tramway company for exposing the public using the trams to the danger of pulling the trolly rope by mistake for a bell rope, and also censured the Board of Trade for having sanctioned such a dangerous arrangement; and whether he will cause a departmental inquiry into this matter, and see that the trolly rope is so protected that it cannot be interfered with except by the officer in charge of the car, and that proper arrangements for stopping the cars are placed on the top as well as within them.

    The Board of Trade have entered into communication with the company with reference to this matter. When their reply is received I will decide whether an expert inquiry will be useful. In the meantime I can express no opinion on the subject.

    Huddersfield Swine Fever Regulations

    On behalf of the hon. Member for the St. Patrick Division of Dublin, I beg to ask the President of the Board of Agriculture whether he is aware that the local authority for the county borough of Huddersfield have made a regulation that after the 26th July, 1899, no swine shall be moved into the county borough of Huddersfield from Ireland; and whether he will endeavour to have this regulation rescinded.

    I have seen the regulation to which the hon. Member refers. It is made under similar circumstances to those which led to the making of the West Riding regulation with regard to which the hon. Member questioned me on Tuesday, and the answer I then gave is equally applicable on the present occasion.

    Tithe Rent-Charge (Rates) Bill

    I beg to ask the President of the Board of Agriculture if he will state the amount of the sum deducted in each case from the amount payable to Kent, Sussex, Brighton, Hastings, Middlesex, Hertfordshire, and the Isle of Wight out of the Local Taxation Grant, to provide the £87,000 taken from the grant under the Tithe Rent-Charge (Rates) Bill.

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    The share of the counties and county boroughs named in a sum of £87,000, distributed in the proportion of what are known as the "discontinued grants," would amount in the case of Kent to £2,636, East Sussex £868, West Sussex £404, Brighton £307, Hastings £107, Middlesex £2,445, Herts £753, and the Isle of Wight £276.

    I beg to ask the President of the Board of Agriculture if he will state the amount of the sum deducted in each case from the amount payable to the counties of Bucks and Berks, and the county boroughs of Reading, West Ham, and Bournemouth, out of the local taxation grant to provide the £87,000 taken from the grant under Tithe Rent-Charge (Rates) Bill.

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    The shares of the counties and of the first two county boroughs named, in a sum of £87,000, distributed in the proportion of what are known as the "discontinued grants," would be £630, £619, £139, and £551, respectively. The figures for the newly created county borough of Bournemouth are not yet available.

    Rabies And The Muzzling Order

    I beg to ask the President of the Board of Agri- culture what progress has been made with the extirpation of rabies in England since his last statement; and whether he can now say when it will be practicable and expedient to revoke the muzzling orders which are still in force.

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    Perhaps I may be allowed to give the number of cases of rabies known to have occurred in Great Britain since 1896, the year prior to the commencement of our operations against the disease. In that year 436 cases were confirmed; in 1897, 151 cases; in 1898, 17 cases; and during the present year, so far as it has gone, only one case has been confirmed. With regard to the revocation of the muzzling orders, we have now made arrangements for obtaining the same security against the introduction of the disease from Ireland as exists in the case of foreign countries, and as soon as these arrangements arc in effective operation I hope to be in a position to withdraw the Orders from the Midland and West Riding areas, to be followed at no distant date by the revocation of those in force in Lancashire and the metropolitan area, if no further cases occur.

    Tuberculosis

    I beg to ask the President of the Board of Agriculture whether he now proposes to take any steps to give effect to the recommendations of the Commission on tuberculosis as regards what the Commission held to be the most important part of the inquiry, the elimination of the disease by the provision of guaranteed tuberculin, and the services of qualified veterinary surgeons gratuitously or otherwise; and whether, in any case, the Board of Agriculture will prepare and distribute a clear and concise statement of the method of elimination recommended by the Commission, and of the results of the adoption of this method in Denmark and other countries, and on certain estates in the United Kingdom.

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    Since the hon. Member last called my attention to this matter, nothing has occurred which would suggest that there is any general desire on the part of agriculturists that the Government should gratuitously provide tuberculin and the services of a veterinary surgeon for the purpose of enabling stock owners to test their animals for tuber- culosis, and in these circumstances I could not fairly ask the Treasury to supply funds for the purpose. With regard to the issue of literature on the subject, I may remind the hon. Member that the Royal Agricultural Society recently gave extensive circulation to a very concise and practical leaflet, but I propose during the recess to bring up to date our information as to the methods of dealing with the disease, and the results obtained in Denmark and other countries, so as to enable me to determine whether we can usefully supplement the particulars already in the possession of agriculturists on the subject.

    Rating Of Machinery

    I beg to ask the President of the Local Government Board whether his attention has been called to a communication, addressed to his Department by the Sunderland Board of Guardians, calling attention to the fact that there are upwards of 300 unions in England and Wales in which machinery included in the various hereditaments is not rated, thus reducing the amount received from Imperial and other taxation; and what steps, if any, he intends to take in the matter.

    I have seen the communication referred to in the question; but the matter is not one with respect to which the Local Government Board have any authority to interfere. If a person is aggrieved on the ground that a particular hereditament is assessed too low, because the value of machinery which ought to be included in the assessment is not included, he can object to the valuation list before the Assessment Committee, and if he does not obtain relief he can appeal against the rate.

    Rates On Rifle Ranges

    I beg to ask the President of the Local Government Board whether he can state the number of instances in which Assessment Committees have allowed rifle ranges to be exempted from local rates; and whether he will make any representation, by circular or otherwise, to the local rating authorities in cases where this exemption has not been granted.

    The Local Government Board have no information on the subject referred to in the question, nor have they any authority to intervene with regard to it.

    Poisonous Tinned Foods

    I beg to ask the President of the Local Government Board whether he has considered the circumstances disclosed at a recent inquest as to deaths at a London hotel, and other instances in the past few years of alleged danger to life from improperly prepared or packed tinned meats, fruits, vegetables. and other articles of food; what precautions are now taken in the way of inspection, or otherwise, to check these risks, both as regards imported and home-produced tinned articles of food; and whether further steps will be taken in the interests of public health.

    The Local Government Board have from time to time made investigation into the circumstances of injury to health and danger to life by reason of the consumption of various articles of food, including cases of poisoning by tinned meats and other articles. The method of investigation in these cases is now well known, and it would appear that in the case to which the hon. Member refers the inquest has been adjourned in order that further analysis may be made. Power is given by the general law for the inspection and examination of articles of food deposited for the purpose of sale, or preparation for sale, and intended for the food of man, and it does not appear that further steps than those being adopted in the special case referred to, or than those applicable to the subject generally, are required.

    Motor Cars

    On behalf of the hon. Member for the Peckham Division of Camberwell, I beg to ask the President of the Local Government Board whether his attention has been called to the numerous accidents that have lately been caused by motor cars; and whether he will take steps to compel all drivers of motor cars to stop until horses and carriages have passed when requested to do so by the persons in charge of them.

    No representations have been made to me as to numerous accidents caused by motor cars, and ample powers are given already under regulations made by the Local Government Board (Article IV., sub-section 8, of the Light Locomotives on Highways Order, 1896) to give effect to the object of the hon. Member. The article provides that every person shall, on the request of any police constable or of any person having charge of a restive horse, or on such constable or person putting up his hand as a signal for that purpose, cause the light locomotive to stop and to remain stationary so long as may be reasonably necessary.

    East Central Sorters' Holidays

    I beg to ask the Secretary to the Treasury, as representing the Postmaster-General, whether he is aware that Sorters White, Eastop, Woodbridge, Nicholls, North, Dyer, Davidson, and Kennedy, attached to the east central section General Post Office, have not received twenty-one days' annual leave although they have completed five years' service; and whether they are entitled to this period of leave under the Tweed-mouth scheme, seeing that two sorters attached to the east central section of exactly identical service with the first four mentioned have received it, and that with the exception of these two all the sorters granted leave in October, which carries with it a twenty-one days' leave without question, are juniors to the officers mentioned.

    The eight sorters referred to had not completed five years' service when the period arrived which they had selected for annual leave. As regards the latter part of the question the hon. Member appears to be under a misapprehension. Leave in October does not carry with it "a twenty-one days' leave without question"; and no officer completing five years' service (say) in November would be granted twenty-one days' leave in October.

    Fixed Wages For Rural Postmen

    I beg to ask the Secretary to the Treasury, as representing the Postmaster-General, if he will consider the case of Thomas Cooper, rural postman of Pease down St. John, near Bath, who, notwithstanding the announced policy of abolishing the system of fixed wages, is still kept on the fixed scale of 16s: weekly, whereas a second, rural postman at the same office is on scale and is receiving 19s. weekly, although he does an hour less duty daily.

    The hon. Member is under a misapprehension in supposing that a policy of abolishing fixed wages for established rural postman has been adopted. Such is not the case, inasmuch as fixed wages are paid to rural postmen working from many of the smaller post offices. Pease down St. John is one of those offices, and Thomas Cooper is rightly paid fixed wages of 16s. a week. The other rural postman at the same office is on an obsolete scale rising to 19s. a week, for which fixed wages of 16s. will be substituted on a vacancy.

    Fintona Mails

    I beg to ask the Secretary to the Treasury, as representing the Postmaster-General, will he explain why the mails are not delivered in Fintona, County Tyrone, on Sunday mornings before 10 a.m., although they are despatched from Omagh, six miles distant, at 6 a.m.; and whether he is aware that the Great Northern train for Bundoran leaves Fintona on Sundays at 9.10, and that great inconvenience is caused to many inhabitants of Fintona by not receiving their letters before the departure of that train.

    As stated in answer to the hon. Member's question of the 19th June, the mails are due at Fintona on Sundays about 9 a.m., and the delivery commences at 9.15. There being no early morning train to Fintona on Sundays, the mails have to be forwarded by road from Omagh. They are sent by the mounted postman leaving Omagh at 6 a.m., and reaching Derrabard, about 2¼ miles from Fintona, at 8.10a.m. From Derrabard the mails are conveyed by a foot messenger to Fintona. The train leaving Fintona at 9.10 a.m. on Sundays only runs during the summer, and few passengers go by it. No great or wide spread inconvenience is therefore caused through the letters not being delivered on Sundays before the departure of this train.

    Is it not the fact that Omagh is only six miles from Fintona? Can the right hon. Gentleman explain why it takes over three hours to convey the mails that distance?

    I think the distance is nearer eight miles. Letters have to be delivered on the road, and that, I think, sufficiently accounts for the delay.

    Rural Deliveries In County Monaghan

    I beg to ask the Secretary to the Treasury, as representing the Postmaster-General, has anything been done to redress the balance of rural deliveries in the district of Carrickroe, County Monaghan, where great dissatisfaction prevails with the system which provides for one and the same townland a four-day delivery, in certain parts, while in other parts providing for only a two-day delivery; and, whether, if this system cannot be improved, he will revert to the old methods of delivery.

    The correspondence for the district in question is very small, and the service which has been granted to each part is of the greatest frequency that the circumstances at present permit. But fresh returns of the correspondence shall before long be taken, and if it is found that a more frequent service can be given, arrangements shall be made accordingly. If the present system cannot be improved, any of the residents who desire it can, as formerly, have their letters left at the Carrickroe Post Office to be called for.

    Cloughan Postal Arrangements

    I beg to ask the Secretary to the Treasury, as representing the Postmaster-General, whether, seeing that the sub-post office at Coughing, near Mullingar, has been abolished since last May, it is intended to re-establish the office; whether he is aware that the people of the district are greatly inconvenienced by its discontinuance, as their only means at present of purchasing stamps is to meet the letter carrier at a specified time and place on the public roadway; and whether steps will be at once taken to establish the office once more at Coughing, where it is understood there is more than one properly qualified person ready to undertake the duties of the position of sub-postmaster.

    It is not intended to re-establish the sub-post office at Coughing, near Mullingar. A house-to-house delivery has been afforded throughout the district, and an office is no longer needed as a place of call for letters. The Postmaster-General is not aware that the residents are greatly inconvenienced by the closing of the office. The sale of stamps at the Coughing office was small, and the supply carried by the postman is believed to suffice for the ordinary wants of the neighbourhood. The Postmaster-General sees no reason for establishing an office once more at Coughing.

    Cromwell's Statue

    I beg to ask the First Commissioner of Works whether he can state the precise process or arrangement by which it has been decided to erect a statue to Oliver Cromwell within the grounds of Westminster Palace, in addition to the bust of Cromwell already placed near the foot of the grand staircase leading to the Committee Rooms; whether any sanction has ever been given by Parliament for the erection of either of these two memorials; and whether the present House of Commons has had or will have any opportunity of expressing its opinion in the matter.

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    May I ask the right hon. Gentleman if he will also favourably consider the request in the third paragraph of the question, in order that the electors of this country may have an opportunity of taking note of those who are engaged in this, idiotic opposition to honouring the memory of England's greatest ruler?

    Order, order! The hon. Member is not in order in applying the language he has used to a question which appears on the Paper in the name of another hon. Member.

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    I did not apply it to the hon. Member, but to the opposition. I will be glad to exchange it for any Parliamentary equivalent.

    I have already stated on several occasions that the offer of a statue of Oliver Cromwell was made to, and accepted by, the late Government, and a site for its erection chosen by my Predecessor at the Office of Works. The Government on their accession to office in 1895 were asked whether they would adhere to the action of their predecessors, and they agreed to do so. The bust of Oliver Cromwell, which is admitted to be a very fine work of art, was presented to, and accepted by, the First Lord of the Treasury in the name of the House. It has not been customary, nor is it necessary, to obtain the formal sanction of the House to gifts of this character.

    Has my right hon. friend had his attention called to the fact that there is a far more suitable site in Marylebone Road, in the neighbourhood of Baker Street, where there is a chamber specially reserved for malefactors?

    Is the right hon. Gentleman in a position to give us the name of the generous donor?

    Embo Fisherman's Fines

    I beg to ask the Lord Advocate, whether his attention has been called to the case of John Cumming, fisherman, Embo, who on 28th June last was sentenced at Tain to pay a fine of £5, which is the maximum which any police or summary court in Scotland can impose in the very worst case in which the option of a fine is allowed; whether he is aware that, prior to paying the fine, Cumming was compelled to pay a sum of £3 10s. for alleged damage to the cell in which he was confined without any citation being served upon him, or an independent valuation made; and, whether, as Cumming was fined the maximum penalty, the authorities will repay the £3 10s.

    The statement contained in the first paragraph of the hon. Member's question is not quite correct, as the maximum fine under the Burgh Police Act, 1892, is £10. I am informed by the Procurator-Fiscal that John Cumming was tried on the 29th ultimo, and was represented by an agent. The evidence fully supported the charges of serious assaults found proved, and the magistrates gave the accused the option of paying a fine out of compassion, and in respect of his calling as a fisherman, and his statement that he was robbed in the train of his earnings. The Procurator-Fiscal also informs me that the accused was very violent in the police cells, and that the amount acquiesced in and paid for by him for smashing the furniture will not, according to contract prices, now submitted, be sufficient to cover the loss. This matter rests with the county authorities, and I can give no assurance as to repayment.

    Will the Lord Advocate have an independent valuation made of the damage?

    School Board Registers

    I beg to ask the Vice-President of the Committee of Council on Education, if his attention has been called to the working of the present arrangements for compiling the list of voters for School Board elections in parishes outside the metropolis, and outside boroughs, under Section 29 of the Education Act, 1870 (33 and 34 Vic., c. 75, s. 29), and under the second schedule of the Act of 1873 (36 and 37 Vic., c. 86, Schedule 2); and whether he will consider the advisability of taking the necessary steps for making the register of parochial electors also the register for the purposes of School Board elections.

    My attention has been called to the matter by the question. The suggestion of the hon. Member cannot be carried out without legislation, which it is impossible at this period of the session to contemplate.

    Covent Carden Theatre Fund

    I beg to ask Mr. Solicitor-General, whether the scheme of distribution in connection with the Covent Garden Theatre Fund, recently promised by Mr. Attorney-General, will be presented before the close of the session.

    After careful consideration a scheme was formulated under the direction of the Attorney-General in May last. It would in all probability have already received the sanction of the court, but for unexpected opposition raised by the defendants in the suit. The matter stands in the judge's list for next Monday.

    Irish Road Contractors

    I beg to ask Mr. Attorney-General for Ireland, whether his attention has been called to the position of road contractors in Ireland in connection with the Local Government (Ireland) Act, 1898; and whether a contractor for the maintenance and repair of county roads, as holding a place of profit under the council, is disqualified from holding the position of collector of poor rate; and, if so, will the attention of the Local Government Board be directed to the position of these contractors.

    The answer to the first paragraph is in the affirmative. I must ask the hon. Member to give a concrete case, as the answer will in some degree depend on the terms of the scheme under which the collector has been re-employed. The attention of the Local Government Bill is being directed to the matter, as there is some doubt whether it is provided for by this Order of the 3rd of July last.

    Contagious Diseases (Animals) Act In Ireland

    I beg to ask the Chief Secretary to the Lord Lieutenant of Ireland whether the business of guardians as a local authority under the Contagious Diseases (Animals) Act, 1894, which was transferred to the County Council by the Local Government (Ireland) Act, has, by an Order of the Local Government Board of the 19th July, 1899, been retransferred to the guardians as District Council; and whether the Local Government Board has power to make an Order overruling an Act of Parliament; and, if so, whether the rights of clerks of unions for loss of office as existing officers are preserved.

    The reply to the first paragraph is in the negative. The Board's Order of the 19th July does not refer to the business of the guardians under the Diseases of Animals Act, 1894, which was transferred to the County Council by Section 6 (b) of the Local Government (Ireland) Act, 1898; but it empowers urban and rural district councils to appoint inspectors of dairies, milkshops, and cowsheds in accordance with the provisions of Section 9 of the Contagious Diseases (Animals) Act, 1896. The rights of clerks of unions to compensation for loss of office are not interfered with by the Local Government Board's Order above referred to.

    Milk Adulteration In Ireland

    I beg to ask the President of the Board of Agriculture whether his attention has been called to the nominal penalties recently imposed in cases of milk adulteration at a petty sessions in County Cork; and whether it will be possible for similar penalties to be imposed, in like cases, under the Sale of Food and Drugs Bill of the present session.

    At the request of my right hon. friend I will reply to this question. The answer to the first paragraph is in the affirmative. The Bill referred to in the second paragraph contains special provisions prescribing penalties for offences committed under the Sale of Food and Drugs Acts, the penalties in most cases being maximum sums which may be abated in the discretion of the magistrates.

    Is the right hon. Gentleman aware that in one of the cases referred to, in which the milk was deficient in 30 per cent. of fat, the merely nominal fine of 5s. was imposed? Would it be possible for a similar type of penalty to be imposed in like cases under the Bill passed during the present session?

    Irish Land Commission Valuers

    On behalf of the hon. Member for North Meath, I beg to ask the Chief Secretary to the Lord Lieutenant of Ireland whether valuers in the Land Purchase Department of the Irish Land Commission are permitted to make private valuations or not; whether he is aware that on the Garnett estate, in the Land Judge's Court, a Mr. Thomas Roberts, one of the valuators of the Irish Land Commission Court, Purchase Department, made private valuations for the solicitors having carriage of sale, Messrs. Lonfield and Company, which caused the proposed arrangements to purchase by the tenants to fall through; and whether this gentleman, being a small incumbrancer on the property, was permitted to do so by the Land Commission; whether this Mr. Roberts, who is considerably over sixty-five years of age, will be continued as a Commissioner; and whether, in view of the contemplated sale of the portions of this estate in the hands of the encumbrancer and the recent advertisements of sale proposing to create tenancies and divide it into small areas from three acres to 150, the Congested Districts Board be consulted with a view to their purchasing this estate.

    All valuers in land purchase cases for the Land Commission are now Assistant-Commissioners. Assistant-Commissioners paid by annual salary are not permitted to make valuations of land, save in the performance of their duties for the Land Commission. Prior to his appointment in 1897 as a salaried Assistant-Commissioner, Mr. Thomas Roberts, who is an incumbrancer on the estate referred to, was Receiver over that estate. On his appointment in 1897 he resigned the Receivership, and states that he thereupon handed over his books and papers connected with the estate to the new Receiver. He further states that at no time did he inspect the estate for the purpose of valuing it or any part of it for sale, and never made any valuation for the solicitor having carriage of the sale. As to the last paragraph, if the estate referred to is in a congested district, a point upon which I have no information, any proposal that may come before the Congested Districts Board for its purchase would, of course, be considered.

    Delacour V Healy

    I beg to ask the Chief Secretary to the Lord Lieutenant of Ireland whether his attention has been directed to the case of Delacour v. Healy, heard at the Castletown Roche Petty Sessions on the 27th ult., and to the action of the magistrates in refusing to adjourn the case; whether he is aware that the adjournment was sought to enable the defendant to produce documentary evidence of his yearly tenancy, then in the possession of the clerk of the union, and that a decree for possession within fourteen days was granted on the ground that he was a caretaker; and if he will refuse to permit the police to execute this decree until an opportunity is afforded to the tenant to produce the evidence of his yearly tenancy.

    I believe the facts are correctly stated in the first and second paragraphs. I am informed that it was proved that the summons in the case had been served four days before the hearing, and that the magistrates considered this was ample time in which to obtain any documentary evidence from the clerk of the union. The decree was directed for execution to a special bailiff, and not to the police. I have no authority to put a stay on the execution of the decree.

    Dublin City Police

    I beg to ask the Chief Secretary to the Lord Lieutenant of Ireland whether any regulation exists by which members of the Dublin Metropolitan Police may be compelled to deal for such goods as they may require at particular shops; and, if not, whether he will inquire whether any compulsion in that direction has been attempted in the district of Kilmainham; and, if he finds that there has been, whether he will take steps to put a stop to it.

    No officer of any rank in the Dublin Metropolitan Police is permitted directly, or indirectly, to interfere with the members of the force in the purchase of goods that they require for their private use, and they are not required to deal with particular shops. A letter, bearing no signature, was recently received by the Chief Commissioner to the effect that an officer had influenced one of the men at Kilmainham Police Station to change his butcher, and on inquiry it was ascertained that there was not a particle of foundation for the allegation.

    Licensing Commission Reports—Sunday Liquor Trade

    I beg to ask the First Lord of the Treasury whether, as both the majority and minority Reports of the Royal Commission on the Licensing Laws recommend a reduction in the hours of sale of intoxicating liquors on Sundays, he will consider the desirability of introducing a measure next session to carry out these recommendations, and thus effect a much needed reform.

    In answer to my hon. friend, I have to say that the Report, or, rather, Reports, of the Royal Commission deserve, and will receive, our most careful attention, but I am not in a position to pledge the Government with regard to legislation on any of their recommendations at the present time.

    Ben Nevis Observatory

    I beg to ask the First Lord of the Treasury, with reference to the proposal to discontinue the high level observatory on Ben Nevis for want of funds, if he is aware that of the £15,000 granted to the Meteorological Council by Government for scientific investigation, nearly £1,000 is taken as payment for the Council for managing the grant, whilst the secretary also receives £800; that a sum is being annually set aside by the Council in order to provide for a superannuation fund, which now amounts to £2,000, and that upwards of £3,000 has been sunk in the high level observatory at Ben Nevis, the benefits accruing to science from the expenditure of such money being probably lost if the cycle of observations is not completed; whether conditions were imposed by the Government on granting this sum for scientific research that the money should be devoted exclusively to that object, and, if not, whether such conditions could now be imposed; and if he will cause steps to be taken so that the annual grant of money may be made direct to the Scottish Society in place of going through the intermediary of the Council, thus avoiding recourse to private charity for the upkeep of the only observatory possessed by this country at the high level of 4,400 feet.

    The Government have no information as to the details of the expenditure of the Meteorological Council except such as may be derived from their report, and in that report no mention is made of any expenditure for superannuation. Their expenditure is, of course, annually audited. The council, I am informed, are overhauling their expenditure, and I trust that the result of that operation will be that more of the funds given by the State will be available for carrying on observatory work in the United Kingdom. As regards the second paragraph of the question, it is a condition that the grants should be applied exclusively to meteorological work, and no doubt the Controller and Auditor-General would call attention to any misapplication.

    I beg to ask the First Lord of the Treasury whether, seeing that the Meteorological Council have disregarded the recommendation given last year by the Government to afford the Scottish Meteorological Society the necessary support to maintain the Ben Nevis Observatory, he will, failing other action, bring further pressure to bear on the Meteorological Council, or increase the grant to that body by the few hundred pounds necessary to keep up the observatory as a national one.

    The hon. Gentleman is under a misapprehension as regards the facts of this case. He seems to imply that pressure has been put by the Treasury on the council on former occasions with regard to the devotion of their funds to this or that purpose. The Treasury have carefully abstained from any action of that sort. The responsibility for spending their £15,000 rests, and must rest, with the Meteorologial Council.

    Seeing that a private donor has come forward with funds to enable the observatory to be carried on for another year, will the right hon. Gentleman make inquiries during the recess to ascertain whether he would be justified in proposing next year a small grant of a few hundred pounds in aid of the observatory?

    It is not for me to say the Meteorological Council do or do not carry out the functions entrusted to them to the best advantage, but I confess I think a Government Department is even less qualified to deal with a strictly scientific matter.

    Business Of The House

    When does the Chief Secretary propose to take the Lords' Amendments to the Irish Agriculture and Technical Instruction Bill, which we may expect down to-morrow, as the Report stage is being taken to-day?

    It will not be possible to consider the Lords' Amendments to the Bill before Monday or Tuesday, because to-morrow must be devoted to the discussion of the Report of Supply.

    Message From The Lords

    Dublin Corporation Bill

    That they insist on their Amendments to the Dublin Corporation Bill, to which this House have disagreed, for which they assign reasons, and disagree to the consequential Amendments made by this House to the Bill.

    That they have agreed to—

    Isle Of Man (Customs) Bill

    Without Amendment.

    Agriculture And Technical Instruction (Ireland) Bill

    Sale Of Food And Drugs Bill

    Improvement Of Land Bill

    SMALL HOUSES (ACQUISITION OF OWNERSHIP) BILL.

    NORTH-WEST LONDON RAILWAY BILL.

    BROMPTON AND PICCADILLY CIRCUS RAILWAY BILL.

    LEEDS CORPORATION BILL.

    CHARING-CROSS, EUSTON, AND HAMPSTEAD RAILWAY BILL.

    NEWCASTLE-UPON-TYNE TRAMWAYS AND IMPROVEMENT BILL.

    LONDON IMPROVEMENTS BILL.

    HARROW AND UXBRIDGE RAILWAY BILL.

    UXBRIDGE AND RICKMANSWORTH RAILWAY BILL.

    With Amendments.

    Amendments made by this House to the Amendments made by the Lords, and to the consequential Amendment made by this House to

    London And North Western Railway (Additional Powers) Bill

    Amendments to—

    Tramways Orders Confirmation (No 2) Bill Lords

    Tramways Orders Confirmation (No 3) Bill Lords

    Renfrew Burgh And Harbour Extension Bill Lords

    CALEDONIAN RAILWAY (GENERAL POWERS) BILL [Lords].

    ABERDEEN JOINT PASSENGER STATION BILL [Lords].

    LEIGH-ON-SEA URBAN DISTRICT COUNCIL BILL [Lords].

    MOSS SIDE URBAN DISTRICT COUNCIL (TRAMWAYS) BILL [Lords].

    STRETFORD URBAN DISTRICT COUNCIL (TRAMWAYS) BILL [Lords].

    WITHINGTON URBAN DISTRICT COUNCIL (TRAMWAYS) BILL [Lords].

    WESTON-SUPER-MARE, CLEVEDON, AND PORTISHEAD TRAMWAYS COMPANY (LIGHT RAILWAY EXTENSIONS) BILL [Lords].

    YEADON AND GUISELEY GAS BILL [Lords].

    GLASGOW AND SOUTH-WESTERN RAILWAY BILL [Lords].

    GREAT EASTERN RAILWAY (GENERAL POWERS) BILL [Lords].

    GREAT YARMOUTH WATER BILL [Lords].

    NORTH-EASTERN RAILWAY BILL [Lords].

    NORTH STAFFORDSHIRE RAILWAY BILL [Lords].

    WOLVERHAMPTON TRAMWAYS BILL [Lords].

    Without Amendment.

    Agriculture And Technical Instruction (Ireland) Bill

    Lords Amendments to be considered upon Monday next, and to be printed. [Bill 300.]

    Sale Of Food And Drugs Bill

    Lords Amendments to be considered upon Monday next, and to be printed. [Bill 301.]

    Small Houses (Acquisition Of Ownership) Bill

    Lords Amendments to be considered upon Monday next, and to be printed. [Bill 302.]

    Supply 22Nd Allotted Day

    Considered in Committee.

    (In the Committee.)

    Civil Service Estimates, 1899–1900

    Class I

    1. £2, 303, to complete the sum for harbours under the Board of Trade.

    2. Motion made, and Question proposed, "That a sum, not exceeding £17,500, be granted to Her Majesty, to complete the sum necessary to defray the Charge which will come in course of payment during the year ending on the 31st day of March, 1900, for constructing a new Harbour of Refuge at Peterhead."

    I rise to protest against the enormous expenditure yearly upon Peterhead Harbour. I notice that £36,000 is taken for a railway which nobody wants, and £300 for a new road that nobody will travel over. In face of the fact that only £10,000 can be got for the whole of the harbours in Ireland, I object to £378,000 being spent on a useless harbour in the north of Scotland. I hope the House will join with me in my protest. The work is only undertaken in order to use convict labour, and it would be far cheaper to pension the convicts off, or lay them up in brown paper, than incur this enormous outlay. I beg to move to reduce the Vote by £3,500.

    Motion made, and Question, "That a sum, not exceeding £14,000, be granted for the said Service"—( Major Jameson)—put, and negatived.

    Original Question put, and agreed to.

    Class Ii

    3. £329,579, to complete the sum for Stationery and Printing.

    Before this Vote passes I desire to ask the Secretary of the Treasury whether he can make any statement with reference to the course he proposes to take as to the payment to the reporters of The Official Debates of the sums they have lost owing to the bankruptcy of the late contractor.

    I should like to ask the right hon. Gentleman as to the desirability of allowing every Member of this House, as is the case in almost every other Parliament in the world, to have a copy of the proceedings of each day on his breakfast table the following morning. In the case of Canada each Member of Parliament finds on his breakfast table an official report of the Parliamentary proceedings of the previous day. Why cannot the Imperial Parliament give to its Members what the Dominion Parliament gives to its Members? In what respect do the circumstances of the two Parliaments differ? When we last discussed this, the hon. Member who spoke on behalf of the Government seemed to be under the impression that the hours of the Dominion Parliament were very different from our own; but I have found, on careful inquiry, and by an examination of the official reports, that the Canadian Parliament sits quite as late as our own—and, indeed, very much later. Yet, notwithstanding this fact, and the additional fact that the proceedings are conducted in two languages, Members get the official report of the proceedings on their breakfast-table the next morning. If this can be done in Canada, why cannot it be done in London? Are our printers less enterprising? Is it a matter of expense? Then, surely, if the Dominion Parliament can afford it, the Imperial Parliament should be able to do so. It would be a great advantage to hon. Members to be able to secure the answers to questions, and to keep themselves au courant with the proceedings of the House. Are there not other directions in which economies might be made? Certain Papers, for instance, are printed under the regulations of the House which need not be printed. Cannot it be possible to hold such Papers. as unprinted and let them be seen in the Library? Let economy be practised as far as possible in the Stationery Office. No one has done more in that direction than the Gentleman who is now responsible for it; I know that he has done his utmost in connection with these contracts to save the country unnecessary expense in the printing department. In asking the right hon. Gentleman to spend a little more money, I am only asking him to act in a direction which would be useful, and I hope the right hon. Gentleman will take this question into serious consideration. In regard to the question asked by my hon. friend in reference to the reporters who have somewhat unfortunately been deprived of what must, in some cases, have been considerable sums of money, I wish to say that the sympathy of hon. Members on both sides of the House is universally with these reporters, and if the Government can see their way to do anything in the direction of helping them, nobody in this House, or outside it, would raise any objection.

    *

    I wish to join the hon. Gentlemen who have just spoken in their appeal to the Secretary to the Treasury on behalf of the reporters of The Debates. I think the reflection should not lie on this House that the work on some of these volumes of Debates is not paid for. It may be perfectly true that the Treasury are not directly responsible, but they were responsible for accepting the contractor they did, and they should have seen to it that the security they got was thoroughly adequate, and that it was impossible for such circumstances to occur as they did in this case. There is another point I wish to refer to, and on which I wish some information. I must confess that when the reporters parted with their manuscript without an understanding that they would be paid for their arrears, they showed a simplicity not usually exhibited by the members of the Press. I am told that the officials held over them a threat that if the reporters refused, on any consideration, to give up their manuscript they would not be employed in future on The Debates. That is a reflection which ought to be removed if there is no ground for it. But, apart entirely from that consideration, I do think that on the broad ground that these men are not in a position to stand the very serious loss of not being paid for their labour, and on the ground that, after all, we were responsible for accepting the contractor, and that the sum involved is comparatively a small one, the Treasury should see their way to pay the gentlemen, and in that way remove a very considerable reflection on this assembly.

    *

    There are two points in connection with this Vote to which I wish to call attention—I mean the quantity of printed matter poured in upon us, and the character of the reporting of The Debates. I lately, through a question, called the attention of the Secretary to the Treasury to the immense quantity of printed matter delivered to us—a large portion of which is of no interest to the general body of Members; and the right hon. Gentleman was good enough to promise to see if there could not be a reduction of that amount. I call attention to only one class of Papers—the Amendments to private Bills—that come down to us. I remember on one occasion there were 112 pages of Amendments to private Bills, and quite lately—within the last few days—forty pages of Amendments were delivered, and this morning twenty pages. With regard to the reporting of the Debates of the House, a great improvement has taken place since the new contract was entered into, in the speedy delivery of the reports, but with regard to the character of the reporting I am not able to express so favourable an opinion. The right hon. Gentleman said in June that the new contract was on precisely the same conditions as the preexisting contract. I was rather sorry to hear it, and my regret has been increased since, because we have still to complain of the inaccurate character of much of the reporting. It is a moot point whether condensed reports would not in the majority of cases be preferable to reports which are verbatim. Condensed reports, however, require a great deal of skill, and skill must be paid for. If we could always ensure that our Debates should be reported in the intelligent and admirable manner in which they appear day by day inThe Times newspaper, we might be more content with condensed reports than we are at present. The most irritating part of it is that reports which pretend to be verbatim are not verbatim at all. They are given in the language of the reporter and not in the language of the speaker. I know some Members who say they cannot take the trouble, in revising the proofs of their speeches, to restore something like the original language they used. I do not know how long this contract is to run. I assume there is no opportunity of making an alteration at the present time, but I hope, if the right hon. Gentleman should be in office when the change is made, that he will see that it is made in the right direction.

    There have been in the last few years several changes in the contractors who have undertaken the reporting, and that has led to a change in the system of indexing more than once. I hope that in future there will be greater uniformity in the indexing of the discussions. At the present time there are not a sufficient number of copies of the early Hansards of this year to supply hon. Members who want them. I wish to ask whether the Stationery Office would not reprint some of these earlier numbers.

    I express a hope that before the Vote comes on next year the Government will see their way to follow the example set this session by the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs, and have duplicate type-written answers to all questions placed in the library for the convenience of Members.

    *

    An hon. Member below the Gangway seemed to raise some question with regard to the treatment of the reporters by the Stationery Office in reference to the handing over their manuscripts. I do not think there is any justification for that complaint. What happened was this. Under the circumstances the Stationery Office were most anxious to assist these reporters in every legitimate way, and therefore they took two steps. In the first place they asked the new contractor to take the reporters on. I do not know how far they were wise in doing so, for I think there is some justification for the complaints of the reporting by the hon. Member opposite. I am bound to say that the condensation of the speeches is not by any means done as well as the House has a right to expect. The reports which profess to be verbatim are not verbatim as a matter of fact. They are in the words not of the speaker, but of the reporter, and in that sense are misleading. It was a very difficult thing to interfere during the present session, as the Stationery Office was anxious that these reporters should be allowed to continue during the remainder of the session. But I am bound to say that the Stationery Office will have to take steps another year to see that the reporting is better done. We have a right to have it done well, because it is a fairly lucrative contract. I believe that with the exception of a few speakers we do not want the speeches at full length or verbatim. In the majority of cases the speeches should be condensed, and in order to get proper condensation we would have to employ reporters capable of doing that work well. With regard to the question of compensating the reporters who have been referred to, I hope the Committee will bear in mind that we ought not to run the risk of creating a very dangerous precedent. In the first place, so far as the contractor himself goes, I do not know that his contract stands in a different position from any other contract made on the part of the Government. It is not pretended that it was not a remunerative contract. It is not pretended that it was not a contract under which the contractor could very well afford, not only to pay good salaries, but to pay them punctually. I do not disguise from the Committee the fact that I believe that the contract is worth £3,000 a year to the contractor. If it is said that the late contractor took it at a price very much below the other tenders, I will tell the Committee exactly what happened. Under the last contract we had paid a subsidy of about £300 a volume for Hansard. To my astonishment, when the tenders were sent in I found that the large firms—whether they had combined together or not I cannot say—but, at any rate, it was a remarkable fact that the tenders of the principal firms were £900, £1,000, and £1,100 per volume. Well, the late contractor, being a foreman engaged by one of these firms, and who had been thoroughly well acquainted with the working of the contract, tendered on his own account at a low rate. We took sureties for the due performance of the contract, and, as I have said, in tendering for a subsidy of £300 per volume, he had admitted that he was able to make a large profit. That was sufficient justification in our case for not accepting the absurd tenders of £900, £1,000, and £1,100 per volume. Now, the new contractors are Messrs. Wyman's, a very responsible firm, who have got very large contracts with the Government, and they have taken over the contract on the same terms as Mr. Bussy. It is a very serious step indeed for the House to say that the responsibility must fall upon the taxpayer and not upon the contractor for the payment of his servants. That is not a rule which would be applied in the case of any other contract, so far as I know, and I therefore ask hon. Members, however anxious they may be to do justice in the case of these men, to recollect that there is no difference between this and any other contract; and if the bad precedent were once set of the Government making good wages and payments due by the Government contractors we should be saddled with an unlimited responsibility. I hope that anything which the Committee in its good nature may wish to do will not be of such a character as to set such a dangerous precedent. After all I believe what was in the minds of many hon. Members who signed the memorial asking that something should be done for these men, was perhaps the thought that these men were brought more closely into relations with the House than the employees of other contractors. There may be something in that view. But even if there is, I cannot see that that would be sufficient justification for such a step. The real question is—and this will have to be treated as an exceptional case—how far these reporters bonâ fide believed they were in the personal service of the House and not of the contractor. That is a question of evidence; and so far as the Government and the Stationery Office are concerned nothing has been said, written, or done which would lead the reporters to take that view. But I will undertake to see these reporters and find out what evidence they are able to afford the Government which would indicate that they had any just reason for supposing that they were in any sense in the employment of the Government. If they establish that case, then it is only right that the House should do something for them. The House is always very generous to those in its employment, but I ask the House to pause before creating a very dangerous precedent. The only ground for doing this is that these men thought they were in our employment. I will see them and go into the facts of the case; and the House may trust me that, if any reliable evidence is brought forward to show that these men had any sound ground to believe they were in the employment of the Government, I will make good what was due to them. But I cannot admit claims without scrutiny. If we are to pay anything, the proper course will be to see what claims are established against the estate in bankruptcy, and to recognise those claims; for I fear that nothing will come out of the estate. With regard to the point raised by the hon. Member for Flint, I do not know that there is any burning anxiety on the part of the House to get the reports of the previous night's debate on the breakfast table each morning, and unless there is a very strong desire on the part of hon. Gentlemen to have these reports produced so early I do not see any advantage in it. As to the Canadian Parliament, I do not think the hon. Member is quite accurate. The Canadian Parliament does not sit so late as the House of Commons, and I am told that the Members of that House do not receive their reports next day. But, however that may be, I cannot meet the hon. Member's views until the House displays a greater disposition to agree with him in the desire to have the reports furnished next day. I think myself that there is a great deal of waste in the printing of the House, that a great deal of printing is done that is not necessary, whether in the Orders of the Day or otherwise, and before next session I will consult with the authorities to see whether it is not possible to prevent some of this unnecessary printing. With regard to the earlier copies of Hansard's Debates for this session, I am afraid the late contractor's bankruptcy may create some difficulty. What we have done is this. We were afraid that, as there were only a limited number of copies, they might be bought up by outsiders and offered at prohibitive prices. Therefore I instructed the Controller of the Stationery Office to arrange with the Receiver in Bankruptcy to buy up all the printed copies, and these will be distributed in the ordinary way. There are more than enough to meet the claims of those who had given orders in advance: but the full extent of the demand cannot be gauged until the end of the session. I do not think it would be right that Members who have kept Hansard's Debates for a series of years should have to go without their copies: and, therefore, a reprint might be necessary.

    *

    We know by the examples in our library that it is very difficult to index our own Parliamentary papers; still, allowing for all the difficulties, the indexing of the Hansard Debates is extremely perplexing. But I rise with regard to one or two matters mentioned by the right hon. gentleman the Secretary to the Treasury. With regard to the official reporters, the right hon. gentleman has, I think, gone as near giving a promise to do something for the reporters as it is possible to do. He is disposed to do something if it is not brought up as a precedent in any other contract, and I accept his words as being virtually a promise that he will not only look into this matter but redress the grievance. He asks for evidence that these reporters believed themselves to be in the employment of the House. It seems to me that the use of the phrases during the last four years of "official reporters" and "official reports" is quite sufficient to justify the reporters in the belief that they were in the service of this House, and that was the main point in the mind of the Leader of the Opposition when he signed the memorial on behalf of these persons. With regard to the contract itself, the right hon. Gentleman spoke of its being so much a volume. Did the Treasury make any stipulation as to what should be the contents of a volume, because I notice in recent years some volumes have been brought down to such a size as to be less than a quarter of the size of the earlier volumes.

    In the contract there is a definite minimum number of pages per volume fixed. The smallness of these volumes may be due to a difference in the spacing. There has been no alteration in the terms of the contract in respect to the number of pages.

    *

    With regard to the suggestion of my hon. friend that we should have the official report of the proceedings delivered the morning after those proceedings have taken place, I do not think there is any assembly in the world which sits anything like such a length of time as we do; and in those places where they circulate the official report the next day it is essentially an inconvenient practice, because hon. Members are kept up half the night to correct their speeches for the Press. I am quite sure that any such institution here would be entirely alien to our habits. With regard to the last suggestion, that the amount of printing should be reduced, no doubt it might be reduced; but there is a certain danger in reducing it. All the Members of the House would have to be informed by some careful index as to what the documents were which would not be printed. Even in the large amount of printing concerning private Bills, occasionally matters of considerable public importance are incorporated.

    The right hon. Gentleman has expressed some doubt as to the hours of the sittings of the Canadian Parliament and as to the time that members receive the official reports. If the right hon. Gentleman would take the trouble to go to the library, he would see from those official reports the hour at which the Speaker takes the chair and the hour at which the House rises, and he would also see—I dare say very much to his surprise—that the Dominion Parliament very often sits as late as the Imperial Parliament, especially towards the end of the session. In spite of all these difficulties, however, the Dominion Parliament is able to produce the reports at the time I have mentioned. With regard to the time that the members receive proofs of their speeches, I may say that my authority is the hon. Member for South Longford, who occupied a very leading position in the Canadian Parliament for many years, and who may be supposed to know better than anyone in this country what the customs of the Canadian Parliament have been in this respect. I have thought it right to make this explanation, inasmuch as my statement has to some extent been traversed.

    Vote agreed to.

    4. £3,454, to complete the sum for the Lunacy Commission, Scotland.

    5. £2,829, to complete the sum for the Registrar-General's Office, Scotland.

    Class Iv

    6. £381,793, to complete the sum for the Science and Art Department.

    7. Motion made, and Question put, "That a sum, not exceeding £106,030 (including a Supplementary sum of £3,750), be granted to Her Majesty, to complete the sum necessary to defray the Charge which will come in course of payment during the year ending on the 31st day of March 1900, for the Salaries and other Expenses of the British Museum, and of the Natural History Museum, including certain Grants in Aid."

    I have given notice of a motion for the reduction of this particular Vote, which is not on the Paper. My object in doing so is to draw attention to the unjust manner, as we regard it in Wales, in which Wales is treated in respect to the Museum Grant. This is by no means the first time that this question has been raised in the House, and I may say that on every previous occasion we have had replies of the most favourable character from the Minister in charge of the Vote. It is one in which non-political bodies in Wales take a very great interest. The county councils have, I believe, sent to the Chancellor of the Exchequer resolutions upon the subject, and I venture to hope that those representations, coming from the most influential quarters that we have in Wales, will receive favourable consideration. We think that our educational system in Wales is imperfect so long as we have no proper museum provision, especially in connection with our intermediate schools. Some of the most important collections have been destroyed by fire, and we have lost some of our most valued treasures on that account, and what we ask is that a

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    Anson, Sir W. ReynellBalfour, Rt. Hn. G.W. (Leeds)Beach, Rt. Hn. Sir M. H.(Bristol
    Arnold, AlfredBalfour, Rt Hn J Blair (Clackm.Bethell, Commander
    Arrol, Sir WilliamBanbury, Frederick GeorgeBhownaggree, Sir M. M.
    Atkinson, Rt. Hon. JohnBarnes, Frederic GorellBigwood, James

    national institution should be established in Wales, to which, I am sure, many collectors would be only too delighted to contribute.

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    Order, order! I do not think that this question arises under this Vote. The trustees of the British Museum are confined in their operations to the limits of certain Statutes, and the hon. Member must show that under these Statutes they could start a museum in Wales.

    I have always hitherto been allowed to raise this question either under the heading of Science and Art, or under that of the British Museum. I was under the impression that I was taking the proper course by raising the question on the Vote for the British Museum. I will move to reduce the sum for the British Museum by £10,000, on the ground that the provision made for Welsh antiquities, manuscripts, &c., in the British Museum is inadequate, and that that institution ought to collect, as far as possible, all the antiquities relating to Wales, all the valuable manuscripts, and so forth, and place them in one portion of the building, where the Welsh public would be able to consult them, and in that way be able not only to have easy access to the articles of interest to Wales in the British Museum, but also to be able to see them all together. I recognise, of course, that your ruling, Mr. Chairman, has restricted the scope of my remarks very considerably, but I would venture to say that my proposal would be perhaps the essential preliminary to the establishment of a national museum in Wales. I can only assure the right hon. Gentleman that the greatest interest has for many years past been taken in this particular question, that people belonging to all parties are heartily united in its support, and that the requests we have made have been very small and very reasonable.

    The Committee divided:—Ayes, 136; Noes, 51. (Division List, No. 337.)

    Blundell, Colonel HenryGoldsworthy, Major-GeneralMorton, Edw. J. C. (Devonport)
    Bonsor, Henry Cosmo OrmeGordon, Hon. John EdwardMurray, Rt. Hn. A.G. (Bute)
    Boulnois, EdmundGorst, Rt. Hon. Sir J. EldonMurray, Chas. J. Coventry)
    Brassey, AlbertGoulding, Edward AlfredNewdigate, Francis A.
    Bullard, Sir HarryHalsey, Thomas FrederickPickersgill, Edward Hare
    Burdett-Coutts, W.Hanbury, Rt. Hn. Robert Wm.Pierpoint, Robert
    Campbell, J. H. M. (Dublin)Hayne, Rt. Hn. Charles Seale-Pryce-Jones, Lt.-Col. Edward
    Carlile, William WalterHeaton, John HennikerPurvis, Robert
    Cecil, Evelyn (Hertford, East)Hermon-Hodge, Robert TrotterRasch, Major Frederic Carne
    Chaloner, Captain R. G. W.Hoare, Edw Brodie (HampsteadRidley, Rt. Hon. Sir M. W.
    Chamberlain, Rt. Hon. J. (Birm.Houldsworth, Sir Wm. HenryRobertson, Herbert (Hackney)
    Chamberlain, J. Austen (Wore'rHozier, Hn. James Henry CecilRussell, T. W. (Tyrone)
    Chaplin, Rt. Hon. HenryJenkins, Sir John JonesSavory, Sir Joseph
    Cochrane, Hon. T. H. A. E.Johnston, William (Belfast)Sharpe, William Edward T.
    Cohen, Benjamin LouisKearley, Hudson E.Sidebottom, William (Derbys.)
    Collings, Rt. Hon. JesseKimber, HenrySimeon, Sir Barrington
    Cornwallis, Fiennes S. W.Knowles, LeesSmith, Hon. W. F. D. (Strand)
    Cox, Irwin Edw. BainbridgeLawrence, Sir E. D. (Corn.)Stanley, Hon. A. (Ormskirk)
    Curzon, ViscountLawrence, Wm. F. (Liverpool)Stanley, Lord (Lancs.)
    Dalbiac, Colonel Philip HughLawson, John Grant (Yorks.)Steadman, William Charles
    Davies, Sir Horatio D. (Chath'mLlewelyn, Sir Dillwyn-(Swans.Stone, Sir Benjamin
    Dickson-Poynder, Sir John P.Lockwood, Lieut.-Col. A. R.Strutt, Hon. Charles Hedley
    Douglas, Rt. Hon. A. Akers-Loder, Gerald Walter ErskineSutherland, Sir Thomas
    Doxford, William TheodoreLong, Col. Charles W. (EveshamTomlinson, Wm. E. Murray
    Duncombe, Hon. Hubert V.Long, Rt. Hn. Walter (Liverp'l)Tritton, Charles Ernest
    Evans, Sir F. H. (South'ton)Lowe, Francis WilliamValentia, Viscount
    Fellowes, Hon. Ailwyn EdwardLubbock, Rt. Hon. Sir JohnWanklyn, James Leslie
    Field, Admiral (Eastbourne)Macartney, W. G. EllisonWarde, Lieut.-Col. C. E. (Kent)
    Finch, George H.Macdona, John CummingWilliams, Joseph Powell-(Birm
    Finlay, Sir Robert BannatyneMacIver, David (Liverpool)Wilson-Todd, W. H. (Yorks.)
    Fisher, William HayesM'Arthur William (Cornwall)Wodehouse, Rt. Hn. E. R. (Bath
    Fison, Frederick WilliamM'Crae, GeorgeWortley, Rt. Hn. C. B. Stuart-
    Fitzmaurice, Lord EdmondM'Ewan, WilliamWylie, Alexander
    Flannery, Sir FortescueMalcolm, IanWyndham, George
    Flower, ErnestMappin, Sir Frederick ThorpeWyvill, Marmaduke D'Arcy
    Fowler, Rt. Hn. Sir HenryMendl, Sigismund FerdinandYoxall, James Henry
    Fry, LewisMonk, Charles James
    Gibbons, J. LloydMoon, Edward Robert Pacy

    TELLERS FOR THE AYES—Sir William Walrond and Mr. Anstruther.

    Gibbs, Hn. A. G. H (City of LondMoore, William (Antrim, N.)
    Giles, Charles TyrrellMore, Robt. Jasper (Shropsh.)
    Gladstone, Rt. Hon. Herbert J.Morrell, George Herbert

    NOES.

    Abraham, Wm. (Cork, N.E.)Jameson, Major J. EustaceRickett, J. Compton
    Austin, M. (Limerick, W.)Joicey, Sir JamesRoberts, John Bryn (Eifion)
    Bainbridge, EmersonJones, Wm. (Carnarvonshire)Robson, William Snowdon
    Bayley, Thomas (Derbyshire)Kilbride, DenisRunciman, Walter
    Billson, AlfredLawson, Sir W. (Cumberland)Souttar, Robinson
    Broadhurst, HenryMacaleese, DanielSpicer, Albert
    Caldwell, JamesM'Leod, JohnSullivan, Donal (Westmeath)
    Cameron, Sir C. (Glasgow)Maddison, Fred.Ure, Alexander
    Channing, Francis (Allston)Morgan, W. Pritchard (MerthyrWallace, Robert
    Curran Thomas B. (Donegal)Moss, SamuelWalton, J. Lawson (Leeds, S.)
    Dillon, JohnNorton, Capt. Cecil WilliamWhiteley, George (Stockport)
    Donelan, Captain A.O'Brien, James F. X. (Cork)Whittaker, Thomas Palmer
    Fenwick, CharlesO'Connor, Jas. (Wicklow, W.)Williams, John Carvell (Notts)
    Gourley, Sir Edward TemperleyO'Connor, T. P. (Liverpool)Wilson, H. J. (Yorks, W. R.)
    Healy, Timothy M. (N. LouthOldroyd, MarkWilson, J. H. (Middlesbrough
    Hedderwick, Thomas C. H.Palmer, Sir Chas. M. (Durham

    TELLERS FOR THE NOES—Mr. Herbert Lewis and Mr. Lloyd-George.

    Holland, Wm. H. (York, W.R.Perks, Robert William
    Horniman, Frederick JohnPirie, Duncan V.

    8. £6,149, to complete the sum for the National Gallery.

    There is an amount of £5,000 for the purchase of pictures in 1893–99. Can the right hon. Gentleman say in what way that expenditure was incurred—what pictures were purchased?

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    was understood to say that two Rembrandts which were valuable pictures had been purchased.

    9. £2,981, to complete the sum for the National Portrait Gallery.

    I observe that the amount voted for the purchase of pictures in 1898–99 was £1,104, while this year it is £750. May I ask whether there is any particular reason for that decrease?

    I desire to say a few words in regard to the correspondence which has recently been published with reference to the National Portrait Gallery. I cannot help hoping that before another year Her Majesty's Government will consider as to whether this gallery, which is now so much appreciated by the public, cannot be treated with greater liberality. I am quite aware that there are very great demands upon the Government, but surely at a time when education of all kinds is being so much more appreciated, the artistic side might well be thought of. Perhaps I may be told that the artistic side of education and art itself are adequately represented by the National Gallery. I think then I may say that there is another side to the National Portrait Gallery, and that is the historical interest of it. Whatever may be the case with regard to the National Gallery, which is no doubt a popular gallery and attracts a great number of the public, yet on the whole the National Portrait Gallery appeals to the average citizen as much as, if not more than, the National Gallery. There are, no doubt, a considerable number of persons who value a picture on its artistic side, but there is a far larger class who take an interest in art from a historical point of view. There is another reason why the Government might do something to aid this collection. Up to the present time the national contribution has been, extraordinarily small. Not only is the annual Vote very small in amount, but the gallery itself was provided by the splendid generosity of one individual, so that it cannot be said that the nation has ever provided itself with a gallery of historical art. If Mr. Alexander had not presented at enormous cost that gallery to the nation, this magnificent collection would still be slowly deteriorating as it was for many years in the gallery at Bethnal Green, where the miserable parsimony of successive Governments left it to be gradually destroyed by the action of time. It is perfectly well known that one of the greatest authorities on art we ever had warned the Treasury over and over again that owing to the peculiar position of the gallery at Bethnal Green and the manner in which it was constructed, those pictures were bound to deteriorate year by year. At length, Mr. Alexander came forward, and owing to his generosity the country received this magnificent gift. That being so, the Trustees of the National Portrait Gallery may surely appeal to the Treasury for something more generous to be done in regard to the sum given annually than is now the case. I need not repeat to the House the terms of the almost ludicrous reply, if I may say so, which was given the other day by the Treasury to the letter of Lord Peel The Trustees appealed to the Treasury for a moderate enlargement of the annual sum voted, and Lord Peel, on their behalf, called special attention to the fact that there were certain pictures in the market at that moment which were of very great importance. One of those pictures was a portrait of Her Majesty the Queen, by a distinguished English artist, and pictures of the Queen by English artists are exceedingly rare; another was a picture, of great artistic and also of great historical value, of King Charles I.; and the third was a picture of Queen Henrietta Maria. Those are all of very great interest, both from the point of view of art and of history. The reply, which will certainly be historic but not artistic, appeared to be that these three persons were not of sufficient importance to find a place in the gallery. That is the meaning which might be extracted from the words, although I venture to say it was not intended; but the letter was a most awkward one and exceedingly ill-expressed, and every newspaper from one end of the country to the other burst into what may be called a prolonged peal of laughter over it. I venture to make a most earnest appeal to the Government to consider the position of this gallery. If they study the figures which we can give them, and which are in the possession of the House, they will see that this gallery is becoming more and more appreciated from year to year. A great nation like this, which can afford to vote enormous sums of money for all conceivable purposes, some of which, in my opinion, are of very doubtful value, ought not to grudge the few extra hundreds which the trustees, through Lord Peel, have asked for, in order to buy pictures which very likely may pass out of the country altogether, or if they do not pass out of the country, it will be because of the generosity of some private individual who occasionally comes forward at the last minute and saves a picture of great national interest.

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    What appears to me to be ludicrous in this matter is, not the Treasury letter, but the interpretation which has been placed upon it. By a peculiar form of criticism, which consists in adopting the answer of the Treasury to one request as the answer to another request, it has been made to appear that the Treasury has described Her Majesty the Queen, King Charles I., and Queen Henrietta Maria as persons who were not celebrated in history. In the first instance, the trustees asked for a special grant for the purchase of these three pictures, and that application was declined. Then they asked that their annual grant might be increased by a considerable amount, and they based that request on the ground of the increased cost of artistic pictures which they might desire to add to the gallery. To that a reply was returned to the effect that the intention of the National Portrait Gallery is rather to provide a gallery of portraits of celebrated characters in English history than a gallery of art. The result has been somewhat singular. The trustees of the National Portrait Gallery valued the three pictures to which the noble Lord has referred at very high prices, and I have seen a criticism of their valuation which describes it as quite excessive. As far as I am aware, no picture by Sir David Wilkie has ever reached the price put upon this particular picture by the trustees, and with regard to the other pictures, they are by no means of first-class artistic value. Since making that request to the Treasury, the trustees of the National Portrait Gallery do not now desire to purchase this particular portrait of Her Majesty the Queen, and with regard to the other two pictures of King Charles I. and Queen Henrietta Maria, it is notorious that there is in the National Gallery collection a picture of Charles I. of far greater artistic excellence; while there are pictures already of both these sovereigns in the National Portrait Gallery. That brings me to what is the real point of difficulty. Is the National Portrait Gallery to have its grant increased in order to enable it to bid against the National Gallery for the purchase of works of art in the market? That, I think, would be a ludicrous proposition, and one which the Committee would never sanction. I am informed that there are a good many portraits in the National Portrait Gallery which are by no means of historic importance, many of which have been given by the relatives of persons shortly after their death, and which have been allowed to find a place in the National Portrait Gallery. I would suggest to the noble Lord and his colleagues that they would be doing a useful work if they weeded their gallery of the pictures of persons of no historic importance. I would also make a further suggestion. I think it might be possible to make some arrangements between the trustees of the National Gallery and the National Portrait Gallery, by which the portraits of persons of historical importance in the history of the United Kingdom might be transferred from the National Gallery to the National Portrait Gallery. That would be greatly to the advantage of the National Portrait Gallery, and would stamp it as the national collection of portraits rather than of works of art. If an arrangement of that sort could be made, I should be quite prepared to consider, on the part of the Government, an application for the increase of the funds at the disposal of the trustees of the National Portrait Gallery, by which, if necessary, they might, from time to time, purchase valuable portraits of celebrated personages in the history of the United Kingdom, because then they would not be in competition with the trustees of the National Gallery. I hope I have not detained the Committee too long in explaining what seems to me to be the real difficulty.

    In reply to what has fallen from the Chancellor of the Exchequer upon the general question of the position of the gallery, I can assure the right hon. gentleman that the points to which he has alluded have been present over and over again in the minds of the trustees of the National Portrait Gallery. I quite agree that some years ago there was a tendency on the part of the then trustees of the National Portrait Gallery to buy pictures which, from the historical and artistic point of view, combined, were not altogether worthy of the collection. I must also add that the pictures which come within that criticism are not those of personages recently deceased, and in this respect the Chancellor of the Exchequer is wrong. We have a rule, which we can only depart from by special arrangement, that we do not buy pictures of persons recently deceased. The whole of the pictures which are on our walls of persons recently deceased are pictures which have been given to us, and which have cost us nothing at all. We have had, for instance, a magnificent gift of pictures by that famous artist, Mr. Watts. I do not think anybody desires that we should refuse to accept such a magnificent gift as that. In regard to the question of a joint arrangement, I join with every single word which the right hon. Gentleman has said, and if he can persuade the authorities of the National Gallery to enter into any such arrangement I am sure nobody will be more delighted than the trustees of the National Portrait Gallery. So far as I can recollect, whenever any suggestion of that kind has been made by the trustees I do not think it has ever been received in a friendly spirit by the trustees of the National Gallery, for they do not like to denude their walls of pictures, some of which are the finest works of art, and they are determined to keep them there. I am quite willing to grant that from a commonsense point of view there are certain absurdities in these two galleries, which are door to door and back to back, occasionally appearing to compete with one another; but I must deny that under the present management it can be shown that the two galleries have driven up prices one against the other. If the right hon. Gentleman will examine carefully into this question, and put himself in communication with the trustees, he will find that they have had present in their minds all those points he has mentioned.

    Vote agreed to.

    10. £6,000, to complete the sum for the Wallace Collection.

    11. £67,700, to complete the sum for Universities and Colleges, Great Britain, and Intermediate Education, Wales.

    12. £4, to complete the sum for London University.

    13. Motion made, and Question proposed, "That a sum, not exceeding £701,861, be granted to Her Majesty, to complete the sum necessary to defray the Charge which will come in course of payment during the year ending on the 31st day of March, 1900, for Public Education in Scotland, and for Science and Art in Scotland."

    I desire to draw attention to the refusal of the School Board for Kilmalcolm to provide school accommodation for the 900 children who are inmates of the Quarrier Homes at Bridge-of-Weir. Mr. Quarrier considers that he is entitled to have the children in his homes educated at the public schools. He asked the School Board authorities to admit these children into the public schools, but they have refused to do so, and in this action they have been backed up by the Scotch Education Department, and that is what I desire to protest against. I asked the Lord Advocate the other day a question with regard to an exactly similar case in another parish, where there is a home maintained by the Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Children, and in that home there are sixty or seventy children from all parts of Scotland. Now these children are educated at the Board school, and so far from there being any objection to them, the authorities are very glad to have them, because they find that the grant from the Imperial funds for their education pays all the expenses which they are put to. In the parish to which I allude it was necessary to enlarge the school in order to accommodate these children; but in the case to which I refer no such necessity exists, and Mr. Quarrier is willing to send the children to the school, but the authorities will not receive them. The result has been that since the middle of April last these children have been receiving absolutely no education. The excuse made by the Lord Advocate is that the Department do not think it is fair that these children should receive their education at the expense of this parish; but it is equally hard in other parishes where public institutions of this kind have been founded. I maintain that, as the law does not impose upon any other body except the School Board the duty of educating children, and as education is made compulsory by law, the School Board is bound to educate these children. The law takes no cognizance of Mr. Quarrier; it cannot compel him to educate these children. An offer has been made by the Education Department to pay for these children if Mr. Quarrier would submit his schools for examination; but Mr. Quarrier has a conscientious scruple to earning grants, and he has never availed himself of his right to obtain educational grants. The law cannot compel him to accept them, but the law does give the Department power to provide for the education of these children, and in leaving the matter in its present deadlock the Department is grossly neglecting its duty. I do not believe there would be any hardship on the parish if these children went into the public schools, because they would earn quite sufficient to defray every cost to which the School Board would be put in providing for their education. But there is a much greater obstruction than the question of expense. The parish concerned is a favourite residential district, and a number of genteel people send their children to the board schools, and they do not like their children coming into contact with Mr. Quarrier's waifs and strays. Such action is contrary to the whole principle of education in Scotland. Mr. Quarrier is a ratepayer, but the law does not demand that a man should be a ratepayer before he can have his children educated, or even that the children should be his own, because if a man has charge of children and they are not sent to school he is liable to be punished. The excuse put forward on behalf of the Department is absolutely flimsy and unsatisfactory, and I must protest against the elaborate show which is being made of care for secondary education, when such an elementary duty as the education of these children is so absolutely neglected and repudiated by the Department. I beg to move the reduction of the Vote by the sum of £1,000.

    Motion made, and Question proposed—

    "That a sum, not exceeding £700,861, be granted for the said Service."—(Sir Charles Cameron.)

    There is really not the slightest justification for the statement of the hon. Baronet that the Department has been in any way supine in this matter, or that they have made a flimsy excuse. The position is a very peculiar one. Of Mr. Quarrier I do not wish to say anything, except that he seems to be a gentleman whom it is difficult to get to give way when he has once made up his mind. Mr. Quarrier collected a large number of what the hon. Baronet calls waifs and strays and placed them in what after all is a little country parish. All of a sudden, and moved thereto by the fact that a legal decision had been given for which no one was specially responsible—it being merely a decision of the courts putting in force the law of the land—Mr. Quarrier announced that these 900 children would have to be educated at the Board schools.

    Mr. Quarrier stated that he would provide for the education of the children as long as he was not rated.

    But it was not possible for the local body to grant him an exemption from rates. As far as educating these 900 children at the Board schools is concerned, that is physically impossible, as the accommodation is not equal to it. The School Board, rightly or wrongly, contend that there is no absolute duty on them, under the circumstances, to take these 900 children. An application was made to the Department, and, as the hon. Baronet is aware, the Department made an offer to Mr. Quarrier that if he would continue to educate these children as before they would be perfectly prepared under the condition of inspection to admit his school to a full share of the grant from public schools. Mr. Quarrier did not see his way to accept the offer, and the Department is confronted with the refusal of Mr. Quarrier on the one hand, and with the asseveration of the School Board on the other that they are not legally liable for the education of these children. I am not going to say now what the ultimate decision of the Education Department may be. What I do want to tell the Committee is that the matter is not such plain sailing as the hon. Baronet thinks. He seems to imagine that there is nothing more to do except to provide new schools for the education of these children, but then Mr. Quarrier might say, "No; I have changed my mind. I will educate the children myself again." It is not a simple question, but a question which has to be worked out very carefully. It is a question in which the Department cannot be forced. Negotiations have been going on with the School Board, and also with Mr. Quarrier. I can assure the hon. Baronet that the matter will be carried to an issue. The Department is in no way responsible for Mr. Quarrier choosing to raise the whole question by suddenly stopping the education of these children instead of raising it by procedure at law.

    The law in Scotland provides for the education of all children. The right hon. Gentleman says that Mr. Quarrier brought about a crisis by suddenly stopping the education of these children, but before that I asked a question of the right hon. Gentleman on the subject and he informed me that the case did not arise, whereupon Mr. Quarrier brought it to an issue by marching the children to the school. The case has now been running on for nearly four months, and while the Education Department are deliberating these children are growing up absolutely without education.

    I am exceedingly glad the hon. Baronet has moved the reduction of the Vote. I only regret the hon. Member for West Renfrewshire, in whose constituency the district concerned is, is not present to give us his advice. This is a matter which is exciting almost as great an interest in Scotland as the case of Dr. Lamont, and may lead to an equal scandal. I may say, without exaggeration, that Mr. Quarrier is a man whose charity and benevolence are almost worldwide, and the outcome of his self-sacrificing labours is that 900 children are left for four months without any education at all. The right hon. Gentleman said that Mr. Quarrier was a difficult man to persuade. I am glad that he is, when he realises that he is right, and I hope that all Scotchmen when they realise they are right will not allow themselves to be persuaded they are wrong. Taking into consideration that a great many buildings and institutions such as Volunteer drill-halls, churches, and so on are exempt from rates, I think the regulations might have been somewhat relaxed in this case, at any rate until it was settled. The Lord Advocate says that Mr. Quarrier might have raised this question in a court of law. That is the old story—the weak having to bear the expenses against the strong. It is the most extraordinary idea of fairplay that I can imagine, that an appeal to the law should be made by the weaker rather than by the stronger party. The stronger should give way pending a settlement of the question; and then we would not see 900 children going without education. I intend to support the reduction of the Vote.

    Legal proceedings have nothing to do with the question. As regards the other matters, the hon. Gentlemen suggested that there should be a stretching of regulations, but there are no regulations to stretch to meet the views of hon. Members. The matter does not concern the administration of any Government Department.

    I know Mr. Quarrier's homes, and I admit the good work he has done; but I do not feel myself entirely in accord with what has been said by previous speakers. I think Mr. Quarrier has put himself in a false position. I know it is impossible to make an exception in the case of a charitable institution in the matter of rates. If a concession is made to one a hundred would claim it, and a good deal of embarrassment would ensue. I think Mr. Quarrier was wrong in fighting the question of rates. Of course, Mr. Quarrier is a poor man, and cannot fight the question in the Courts himself; but we must not forget that he has a large and influential backing, and there would not have been the slightest difficulty in finding the money. Mr. Quarrier made a mistake in stopping the education of these children. That was not a Scotch proceeding, and he has raised the question in an objectionable way. The fact remains, as the hon. Baronet says, that although the Scotch people are so very jealous in regard to educational matters, 900 Scotch children are at present not being educated in these schools. I am exceedingly glad to hear that there is a hope that this state of things will not long continue.

    Question put.

    The Committee divided:—Ayes, 66; Noes, 141. (Division List, No. 338.)

    AYES.

    Abraham, William (Cork, N.E.Joicey, Sir JamesPerks, Robert William
    Asher, AlexanderJones, Wm. (Carnarvonshire)Pickersgill, Edward Hare
    Balfour, Rt. Hn. J. B. (Clackm.Kearley, Hudson E.Rickett, J. Compton
    Billson, AlfredKilbride, DenisRoberts, John Bryn (Eifion)
    Broadhurst, HenryLawson, Sir Wilfrid (Cumb'l'ndRobson, William Snowdon
    Caldwell, JamesLewis, John HerbertRunciman, Walter
    Curran, Thomas B. (Donegal)Lloyd-George, DavidSinclair, Capt. J. (Forfarshire)
    Curran, Thomas (Sligo, S.)Macaleese, DanielSouttar, Robinson
    Dalziel, James HenryM'Donnell, Dr. M. A. (Qn's C.)Spicer, Albert
    Dillon, JohnM'Crae, GeorgeSteadman. William Charles
    Donelan, Captain A.M'Leod, JohnSullivan, Donal (Westmeath)
    Fenwick, CharlesMaddison, FredWallace, Robert
    Fitzmaurice, Lord EdmondMappin, Sir Frederick ThorpeWalton, J. Lawson (Leeds, S.
    Fowler, Rt. Hon. Sir HenryMendl, Sigismund FerdinandWarner, Thos. Courtenay T.
    Gourley, Sir Edw. TemperleyMorgan, W. P. (Merthyr)Whiteley, George (Stockport)
    Harwood, GeorgeMorton, E. J. C. (Devonport)Whittaker, Thomas Palmer
    Hayne, Rt. Hon. Chas. Seale-Moss, SamuelWilliams, J. Carvell (Notts.)
    Healy, Timothy M. (N. LouthNorton, Captain Cecil W.Wilson, Henry J. (York, W.R.
    Hedderwick, Thos. Chas. H.O'Brien, James F. X. (Cork)Wilson, Jos. H. (Middlesbro')
    Hogan, James FrancisO'Connor, J. (Wicklow, W.)Yoxall, James Henry
    Holland. Wm. H. (York, W. R.O'Connor, T. P. (Liverpool)

    TELLERS FOR THE AYES—Sir Charles Cameron and Mr. Pirie.

    Horniman, Frederick JohnOldroyd, Mark
    Jameson, Major J. EustacePalmer, Sir C. M. (Durham)

    NOES.

    Aird, JohnDyke, Rt. Hon. Sir Wm. HartMellor, Colonel (Lancashire)
    Allsopp, Hon. GeorgeFellowes, Hon. Ailwyn Edw.Mildmay, Francis Bingham
    Anson, Sir William ReynellField, Admiral (Eastbourne)Monk, Charles James
    Arnold, AlfredFinch, George H.Moon, Edward Robert Pacy
    Arrol, Sir WilliamFinlay, Sir Robert BannatyneMoore, William (Antrim, N.)
    Atkinson, Rt. Hon. JohnFirbank, Joseph ThomasMore, Robert Jasper (Shropsh.)
    Bagot, Capt. J. FitzRoyFisher, William HayesMorrell, George Herbert
    Balfour, Rt. Hon. A. J. (Manch'rFison, Frederick WilliamMorton, A. H. A. (Deptford)
    Balfour, Rt. Hn. G. W. (LeedsFlannery, Sir FortescueMurray, Rt. Hon. A. G. (Bute)
    Banbury, Frederick GeorgeFlower, ErnestMurray, Chas. J. (Coventry)
    Barnes, Frederic GorellFry, LewisMurray, Col. Wyndham (Bath)
    Barton, Dunbar PlunketGedge, SydneyNewdigate, Francis Alexander
    Bathurst, Hon. A. BenjaminGibbons, J. LloydParkes, Ebenezer
    Beach, Rt. Hn. Sir M. H. (BristolGibbs, Hn A.G. H.(City of LondPierpoint, Robert
    Bethell. CommanderGibbs, Hon. Vicary (St. Albans)Pryce-Jones, Lt.-Col. Edward
    Bhownaggree, Sir M. M.Giles, Charles TyrrellPurvis, Robert
    Bigwood, JamesGilliat, John SaundersRidley, Rt. Hn. Sir Matthew W.
    Blundell, Colonel HenryGoldsworthy, Major-GeneralRitchie, Rt. Hn Chas. Thomson
    Boscawen, Arthur Griffith-Gordon, Hon. John EdwardRobertson, H. (Hackney)
    Boulnois, EdmundGorst, Rt. Hon. sir John EldonRound, James
    Brassey, AlbertGoschen, Rt Hn G. J (St George'sRussell, T. W. (Tyrone)
    Brodrick, Rt. Hon. St. JohnGoulding, Edward AlfredSavory, Sir Joseph
    Bullard, Sir HarryGray, Ernest (West Ham)Scoble, Sir Andrew Richard
    Burdett-Coutts, W.Hanbury, Rt. Hon Robert Wm.Sharpe, William Edward T.
    Butcher, John GeorgeHeaton, John HennikerSidebottom, Wm. (Derbyshire)
    Carlile, William WalterHoare, Edw. Brodie (Hampst'd)Simeon, Sir Barrington
    Campbell, J. H. M. (Dublin)Houldsworth, Sir Wm. HenrySmith, Hn. W. F. D. (Strand)
    Carlile, William WalterHozier, Hon. James Henry CecilStanley Hn. A. (Ormskirk)
    Cayzer, Sir Charles WilliamJenkins, Sir John JonesStanley, Lord (Lancs.)
    Cecil, Evelyn (Hertford, East)Jessel, Capt. Herbert MertonStrauss, Arthur
    Chaloner, Captain R. G. W.Johnston, William (Belfast)Strutt, Hon. Charles Hedley
    Chamberlain, Rt. Hon. J. (Birm.Kimber, HenrySutherland, Sir Thomas
    Chamberlain, J. Austen (Wore'rKnowles, LeesTalbot, Rt. Hn. J. G. (Ox. Univ.)
    Chaplin, Rt. Hon. HenryLawrence, Sir E. Durning (CornTomlinson, W E. Murray
    Charrington, SpencerLawrence, W. F. (Liverpool)Tritton, Charles Ernest
    Clare, Octavius LeighLawson, John Grant (Yorks.)Valentia, Viscount
    Cochrane, Hn Thos. H. A. E.Llewelyn, Sir Dillwyn. (Swans.)Wanklyn, James Leslie
    Coghill, Douglas HarryLockwood, Lieut.-Col. A. R.Warde, Lt.-Col. C. E. (Kent)
    Cohen, Benjamin LouisLoder, Gerald Walter ErskineWhitmore, Charles Algernon
    Collings, Rt. Hon. JesseLong, Col. C. W. (Evesham)Williams, J. Powell- (Birm.)
    Cornwallis, Fiennes Stanley W.Long, Rt. Hn. W. (Liverpool)Wilson-Todd, Wm. H. (Yorks)
    Cox, Irwin Edw. BainbridgeLowe, Francis WilliamWodehouse, Rt. Hn. E. R. (Bath
    Curzon, ViscountLowles, JohnWylie, Alexander
    Dalbiac, Colonel Philip HughLubbock, Right Hon. Sir J.Wyndham, George
    Davies, Sir H. D. (Chatham)Lucas-Shadwell, WilliamWylie, Marmaduke d'Arey
    Dickson-Poynder, Sir John P.Macartney, W. G. Ellison
    Douglas, Rt. Hon. A. Akers-Macdona, John Cumming

    TELLERS FOR THE NOES—Sir William Walrond and Mr. Anstruther.

    Doxford, William TheodoreMacIver, David (Liverpool)
    Duncombe, Hon. Hubert V.M'Ewan, William

    Original Question put, and agreed to.

    14. £2,000, to complete the sum for the National Gallery, etc., Scotland.

    15. £621,117, to complete the sum for Public Education, Ireland.

    I wish to direct the attention of the Committee to a very great abuse that has arisen in connection with public education in Ireland. There are three or four extremely important questions which we have been anxious to bring under the notice of the Committee, and which we have been urged to bring forward by various parties interested in public education in Ireland. We made various appeals to the Government to give us another day for the discussion of the Irish Votes. The limit of time has been cut down this year to three days, instead of the four which were allowed us in the first year after the new rule as to Supply was introduced. The consequence is, that several of the largest and most important of the Irish Votes have been thrown over till this evening. This extremely important Vote for Public Education in Ireland really ought to have had a whole night in itself. I am not prepared to discuss the Vote to-night, for there is no adequate time to deal with it. Another reason which induces me to take this course, is that the large body of Irish Members had given up the hope of the Vote being discussed, and returned to Ireland. It is purely accidental that even a few of us are here on the present occasion, for we had no assurance that even a few hours would be given to the Vote to-night. I abstain, therefore, from entering into the question, and have risen only for the purpose of protesting against the treatment given to Irish supply this year.

    Vote agreed to.

    16. £560, to complete the sum for Endowed Schools Commissioners, Ireland,

    17. £1,300, to complete the sum for the National Gallery of Ireland.

    18. Motion made, and Question proposed, "That a sum, not exceeding £2,450, be granted to Her Majesty, to complete the sum necessary to defray the Charge which will come in course of payment during the year ending on the 31st day of March 1900, for a Grant in Aid of the Expenses of the Queen's Colleges in Ireland."

    We had this year a very full discussion on the Queen's Colleges, which occupied an entire night. I only desire to make a few observations in order to protest against this Vote, and I will take a Division against it. We have had promises and declarations from Ministers with regard to this whole question of University Education in Ireland, which, I regret to say, have been departed from. In the speech of the First Lord of the Treasury during the debate this year on this question of the grievances of Irish Catholics, and the shameful oppression of the Irish Catholics in regard to University Education, a retrograde step has no doubt been taken. So far as we can judge from the answers of Ministers, we are now further removed from a hope of a settlement than we were twelve years ago, when a remarkable speech was made by the present Chancellor of the Exchequer on the eve of the defeat of the Tory Government; and certainly further removed than we were on the eve of the General Election of 1892, when the then Unionist Government gave the Irish Catholics distinctly to understand, not directly by the mouth of the Leader of the Government, but by various subterranean and irregular channels, that if the Unionists were returned to power this Irish grievance would be immediately dealt with. Now, the First Lord of the Treasury himself has gone so far on this question as to declare, in so many words, that if the Unionists could not settle this grievance, their moral claim to govern Ireland was severely shaken; and he conveyed the impression, in a great and remarkable speech a year ago last January, that he felt that the claim of this Parliament to be able to govern Ireland as well as a native Parliament could do, would be shattered and destroyed if this Parliament and Unionist Government were unable to redress this grievance. The First Lord of the Treasury, in the discussion on this matter six weeks ago, seemed to be under the impression that I was discouraging his efforts, and was ungrateful to him as an Irish Catholic for the exertions he had made to convert his party and others in the country to his point of view on Irish University Education. But that is not the fact. I have never spoken on this subject, either in Ireland or in this House, without saying that the Irish Catholics on this particular question, however bitterly we may differ from him on other questions, owe him a great debt of gratitude. But there is a limit to patience, and though we fully recognise the exertions of the right hon. Gentleman, and admire the eloquence with which he has stated our case, we do say that the time has come when the Government ought to declare their policy more specifically and categorically than they have hitherto done. The shadow of another General Election is deepening over us, and we are entitled to ask the Government what is their policy on this question, which they have over and over again declared to be one of first-rate importance. I say that the position taken up by the Government is indefensible. As I understand it, those leaders of the Government who are most concerned with and have had largest experience in Irish affairs admit that justice is on our side, and that the whole life of Ireland is warped and injured by the present system, in support of which we are now called upon to vote money. That is the opinion of the Chancellor of the Exchequer, of the First Lord of the Treasury, and the present Chief Secretary, and others, who have had any experience, or are or were responsible for the government of Ireland. But while they fully admit that, and have all along admitted it, they are drifting on in this extraordinary fashion. They say that, being a responsible Government, and admitting that it is a question of first-rate importance, they cannot deal with it on ordinary party lines. I say that is not a tolerable position to take, and that no Government ought to be allowed to adhere to it, at all events for a long period of years. They ought to be prepared, it is their duty, and according to all the tradition and practice of English politics, to state frankly to the country, and to the House of Commons, before the next General Election, whether their party and their Ministers are able and willing to grapple with this great question of Irish University Education, if they do not, I do not think they can complain if we dwell strongly on this confession of impotence on their part, as an argument for relegating this question, as well as other great questions of a purely Irish character, to the control of an Irish Legisla- ture. Great as are the differences which divide the Irish Members on some matters, if you relegated this question to a committee of Irish Members, including all sections, it would be settled by a larger majority than any other question could be settled, because we would have the solid vote of the whole of the Nationalist Members. On this question the Irish Members are in a majority of at least six to one. It is a monstrous oppression that the Irish people should be denied the acquisition of a university education. I say deliberately that in the province of education you cannot inflict a greater penalty, or a greater disablement, than to deny the Irish people the advantages of a university education. If I had to choose to-morrow—I do not say this view is shared by all my colleagues—as to whether I should first get a good system of primary education, or secondary education, or university education, I should without hesitation select university education first. I hold that on this question of education it is essential to build from above downwards, and that the greatest evil a country can labour under is a denial of the highest university education. But when we come to look into the future, what is our hope? In my own experience, during the last fifteen years, this question was retrograded. We brought it to an issue three years ago, but it was limited to debates in the House; and a few weeks ago we were assured that it had made progress. Are the Unionists prepared, in order to maintain the Unionist system, that the Irish Catholics should look forward to a boundless future, denied of the advantages which their Protestant fellow subjects enjoy? I know that this demand of ours will not have the sympathy of a great many Members of this House who habitually act with us in a friendly way. I know perfectly well that they hold strong views, which in my judgment are not sound views, and which cannot be logically held, but they hold them conscientiously, and are tying the hands of the Government on this question. I do not believe the main difficulty arises from the Government benches, but from the benches behind. How can the Government justify their position if they are in favour of religious schools? They invoked our aid to maintain religious teaching in the schools of this country, and because we believed in religious teaching in the schools we voted for our opponents, but when the same question is transferred to Irish soil these hon. Gentlemen refuse to support their own Government in conceding the claims of the Irish Roman Catholics. On what logic do those Gentlemen support their action? In England they advocate consistently in season and out of season religious teaching in schools, but when it comes to Ireland, a large section of them take their stand beside the hon. Member for South Belfast, and endeavour to intimidate the Government. In every assistance that is given to the denominational schools we are obliged to admit that there is serious injustice on the whole as regards the children of "non-com.'s" of this country, and many of them have suffered under great difficulties at times, but in Ireland no one can say that anything of that kind is involved. We have made no proposals except the simple proposal of the Government, who have sanctioned the suggestion, that there should be a university in Dublin for Catholics. The First Lord of the Treasury has gone so far as to declare in so many words that if the Unionists cannot settle this grievance their moral claim to govern Ireland is severely shaken. I have always admitted that Irish Catholics owed a debt of gratitude to the First Lord of the Treasury. They fully recognise the right hon. Gentleman's exertions. If hon. Members refer to the speeches and letters of Dr. Hamilton, the best qualified speaker upon the subject, they will find that he points out that such a university is in the interests of higher education, and he urges that so long as the present system is continued the interests of higher education are being sacrificed to the interests of partisanship and religious bigotry. Those of us who have approached this subject from that standpoint and not from the view of religious bigotry, or in a party spirit, have always opposed any agitation to disendow or despoil Trinity College. We have recognised that in Trinity College we possess a great institution of very distinguished history and great traditions, which undoubtedly has done a great deal to uphold in a position of honour in very dark times the name of Ireland in the paths of the higher learning before the world. We are, therefore, not anxious to destroy that institution or to agitate against it, because we want rather to build up than to pull down. But our patience has been badly rewarded. The Bishops of Ireland at their last meeting declared that if there was further delay in dealing with this grievance they would be compelled to call upon the people of Ireland to inaugurate an agitation against Trinity College. It will be a dangerous position of affairs, and a dangerous thing for this country, when that fiat goes forth. The Church of Ireland is very strong, and Trinity College is very strong, and I should be very sorry to agitate against either; but if the Irish Roman Catholics are driven to despair Trinity College will undoubtedly come down. Justice we will have in obtaining that higher education for our people, which we have longed for and which we have fought for from the remote periods of our history. So that it may come about that owing to the perversity on your part, and the stupidity which always obtains in dealing with Ireland, you may bring on Trinity College great misfortune, and drag down education in Ireland to a lower level than that at which it at present stands. You have Mahommedan Colleges, and that does not trouble your conscience in the least. There is a project, preposterous to my mind, to establish a great college at Khartum in which Christianity is not to be taught; but when the English people are asked to place the Irish Roman Catholics on a level of equality with the other portions of the United Kingdom, and to grant an endowment, their consciences rise against the proposal. I warn the Government that before next election they will be forced to make a more specific declaration in this matter, and that if they persist in protestations of impotence they will thereby give a great impetus to the demand for Home Rule.

    thought that the Irish had some ground of complaint against the Government in respect that they were led to hope, from communications by subterranean channels, that a Unionist Government would deal with Roman Catholic University education.

    I never made any such communication.

    was quite aware that the Chief Secretary believed that the allegation was unfounded, but it was not.

    When I referred to communications by subterranean and irregular channels, I had in my mind, for one thing, a well-remembered speech of the hon. Member for South Tyrone before the election of 1892, when he declared to the electors that if a Unionist Government was returned the subject would be dealt with.

    , continuing, said at all events the unholy alliance seemed to have come to an end, or it would come to an end when his Irish friends thoroughly appreciated the fact that they would get nothing from Her Majesty's Government. Nonconformists were opposed to any scheme of Roman Catholic University education, because it was no part of the duty of the community to give money for religious instruction. How absurd it was for Irish Members to argue that English Nonconformists had no right to express an opinion upon Irish religious questions, when they were the very men who came forward to help the Government to saddle upon English Nonconformists an obnoxious system of elementary education! This question was no nearer a solution than it was years ago. A Liberal Government, supported as it was to such a large extent by the Nonconformists of England, Scotland, and Wales, would never consent to establish and endow a Roman Catholic University for Ireland.

    It may be regrettable that the people of Ireland are not Dissenters—not even Wesleyan Methodists; but they are not, and, being in the main either Catholics or Presbyterians, they have somewhat different views on the education question from those of my hon. friend; and if they have the right to differ on religion, surely they are entitled to differ with regard to a question with which religion is inextricably mixed up—namely, the particular form of university education. My hon. friend is still angry with the part the Irish Members took on the voluntary schools question; but he has apparently forgotten that our attitude was largely regulated by the fact that there is a very considerable Catholic population in this country, and that the legislation of the Government dealt not only with their educational position, but also with their strongest and profoundest religious convictions. We should have been untrue to our convictions if we had not stood up for the rights of conscience of our own people in supporting the educational policy of Her Majesty's Government. I desire to discuss the question from a non-partisan point of view. I myself am an old student and graduate of Queen's College, Galway, and whatever poor attempts I have made with regard to education were largely owing to that college. I desire to state the good as well as the bad side of these colleges. Let me first say that in Ireland the university system has this enormous advantage over the university system in this country—that the colleges are brought home to the doors of the poor. I certainly should not have had the least chance of getting a university education if I had been born in this country; therefore, I hold that one of the first things we must consider if we are to bring the university system within reach of the people is that we should have universities largely distributed over the country. I desire to bear testimony to the extraordinary ability, and to the genius even, of some of the men who were at the head of the Queen's Colleges. I am glad to note that Professor D'Arcy Thompson is still there, and I must say that whatever love I have for literature I, largely owe to the fact that I had the happiness and privilege of being one of that gentleman's pupils. The men who formed the Queen's Colleges formed the idea that by bringing together the youth of different classes and creeds and races at the most susceptible period of their lives they would raise up another and a. broader-minded generation of Irishmen, and get over the racial and religious difficulties. This is the idea of some; others have different views. They think that every means should be adopted, for undermining the faith of the majority of the Irish people. Have their ideas been realized? Splendid buildings have been erected and equipped; and yet they do not touch the merest fringe of the people. What is the use of those splendid buildings and of the broad and generous views on which they are founded, if the people for whom they are intended obstinately remain outside? It is preposterous that at this time of day we should be discussing the question whether a nation, predominantly and intensely Catholic, should not have the system of education which it desires because the Protestants of England do not think it good for them. If that is not religious bigotry and intolerance I am unable to understand the meaning of the words. The hon. Member demanded that because he was Protestant and England was Protestant, Ireland should not have Catholic education.

    I never said anything of the sort. You can have as much Catholic education as you like, but not at the public expense.

    I welcome the interruption. A large amount of what in its essence is Protestant education is maintained at the public expense in connection with Dublin University. Therefore we have this extraordinary contradiction in Ireland—that Protestantism, the religion of the minority and of the rich, is endowed at the expense of the State, while the education of the Catholic majority is left without any State aid. It has been suggested that we should level down by spreading the endowments of Trinity College over the whole of Ireland, but that is a policy that would be as bitterly opposed by Protestants as by Catholics in Ireland. I would further point out to the hon. Member that we have more distinctly and truly Catholic education in this country, amid the Protestant majority, than we have in Ireland.

    No, but in the elementary schools. Is it not grotesque that the liberty which we give to Catholics in Protestant England we refuse in Ireland? The Queen's Colleges, I admit, have done a great deal of good so far as education is concerned, but I trust before the close of this Parliament, in which those in favour of a close union of religion and education are in such an overwhelming majority, Ireland may be no longer left with this grievance unreformed, and that that country, which is rich only in the ability of her sons, will not be allowed to see two more generations pass without enjoying the supreme advantage of university education.

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    I do not complain of the hon. Member for East Mayo that he has availed himself of the opportunity to make an impassioned and able appeal on behalf of Ireland for the creation of a Roman Catholic University. It seems to me that after the declaration of the Duke of Devonshire in another place it required something to rehabilitate the question in this House. What I complain of is that the hon. Member has endeavoured to convince the House, not to-night, but on a former occasion, that nearly all the public bodies in this country are in favour of the demand: in fact, the statements which he made on a former occasion would have led the Committee to suppose that it only required a little more courage on the part of the present Government, and then a Roman Catholic University would soon come into existence. The hon. Member has conspicuously left out of account the opposition he must encounter at the hands of the Nonconformists of this country. I can confirm the statements which have been made by my hon. friend the Member for Louth in regard to the unanimity, as well as the strength, of the feeling which exists among the Nonconformists of this country in regard to this question. They are resolved that, whatever an Irish Parliament may do, should one ever come into existence, they will resist to the utmost any attempt on the part of the Imperial Parliament to create such a university. The hon. Member for East Mayo and the hon. Member for the Scotland Division argued as though there were not two sides to the question, and no doubt they think Nonconformists a narrow, bigoted and intolerent set of persons. In my opinion it is quite possible for Nonconformists to defend and to vindicate their position by an array of arguments which is entitled to some respect. I assume the House will not devote another evening to this question, especially as in less than three hours the guillotine is to fall on all the remaining Votes in Supply. I wish, however, to refer to one remark of the hon. Member for East Mayo. The hon. Member has represented the opponents of this scheme as being ready ruthlessly to sacrifice the interests of higher education. On the contrary, the opponents of this project think that they are safeguarding the interests of higher education by offering resistance to any of the proposals which would put university education in the hands of ecclesiastics of the Roman Catholic Church.

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    The First Lord of the Treasury, in a very notable speech which he made on a former occasion, did two things; however, he failed to do some other things. He made it quite clear to me, if it had not been made clear before, that a sectarian university is a contradiction in terms. He submitted to the House certain safeguards and restrictions the object of which was to mitigate, if not to put an end to, Protestant opposition to this proposal. But he did not say, from the beginning of his speech to the end, that the scheme which he then adumbrated had received the consent of the heads of the Irish Church. For aught we know to the contrary, if the Government were to introduce a Bill framed in accordance with the speech of the right hon. Gentleman, that proposal would be rejected by the heads of the Roman Catholic Church. The right hon. Gentleman, with all his desire to provide safeguards and restrictions, did not for a moment suggest that the government of the university should be otherwise than in the hands of the heads of the Roman Catholic Church, or of members of the Roman Catholic Church, lay or ecclesiastic. I do not remember that the right hon. Gentleman went so far as to suggest that the governing body of the university should be a mixed body. If a Catholic University is to be in the hands of ecclesiastics, it follows as a matter of course that the government of that university will be in accordance, as far as possible, with the views of the ecclesiastics. They will put the interests of the ecclesiastics first, and the interests of education second. I venture to express the opinion that no scheme for the creation of an Irish Roman Catholic University will be accepted by the Roman Catholic Church unless it gives to it sole control over its management. That, I contend, is a contradiction in terms. A university, to be worthy of its name, must be unsectarian and comprehensive. I desire to enter my caveat against the assumption of the hon. Member for East Mayo, that only a few and very insignificant number of persons are opposed to the scheme which he so ardently advocates.

    The hon. Member for Mansfield states that the Catholics in this House regard the Nonconformists of England as a narrow, bigoted lot of persons. In my opinion, however, there is no difference in principle between the point of view from which Nonconformists look at this educational problem and that from which Catholics look at it. Nonconformists are in favour of lay education in the public schools, because they are so small a body that they could not have schools of their own, and because, also, they are afraid that if religion were taught in schools it would be the religion of the Established Church, and that their children would be saturated and swamped in the views of episcopacy and establishment. Consequently they do as a minority what Catholics in Ireland do as a majority. Nonconformists will not have schools supported by the State for their children with what I believe is called a common denominator of Christianity—something that all believe in, such as the devil and hell. Animated by that spirit, Nonconformists cannot see any other means of preventing their children getting submerged in Episcopalian Protestantism except by demanding a purely lay education. Will anyone tell me that if in the morning England were to wake up Nonconformist, or half-Nonconformist, every Nonconformist minister and every Nonconformist chapel and conventicle would not at once insist on beating the drum in favour of sectarian schools? (Opposition cries of "No.") What do I say to that denial? I say, "Sour grapes." You wish to protect your children from the contagion of Episcopalian Protestantism, and you say, "We will insist on having schools in which no religion at all shall be taught, but merely the dry bones and skeletons." The Catholics look at the matter from exactly the same point of view, but they approach it from a different standpoint. The Catholics say, "Religion is so important to us, our faith is so dear to us, that we would rather have no education at all than that our children should be taught in Protestant schools." That is our position. You want the education first, and in order that your children may get the education, you say, "Oh, let religion go and be hanged." That is really what it comes to. You say, "We will have an undenominational Christianity." We say, "We will have our children taught their religion, even though they are taught nothing else." That being so, we have refused to go into those schools which are Protestant. You send your children to those schools, though you know they are Protestant, taking all the risks of infection, as you believe it to be. Contrast your position in denying us in Ireland this education. Within a stone's-throw of this House you will find that the poor, by their pence, have not only erected a temple of God, but have provided a little school where they keep themselves apart, having their own faith and their own masters and their own education. Compare that position with those who are able to get a million guineas from Methodism in the course of six or eight months, and ask yourselves which is the nobler position, and which is the greater or the poorer. What is our position in Ireland, where the Catholics are not in a minority, but in a majority? We claim that if we had the country in our own hands we would oppress no religion, but would give equally to each what was meet to its demands in the matter of religion. And we are so animated with the desire of keeping our children pure and undefiled from a faith in which we do not believe, that we will abstain from sending them into schools where that religion is taught. It is said that if we have this university we must get it, but not at the public expense. Will any man show me how a university education can be had in Ireland except at the public expense? I am old enough to remember—though it is thirty years ago now—how the Catholic bishops went begging and craving to this House—for what? They did not ask you then for a university education at the public expense, they asked you merely for a charter. They said, "Give us a charter for our universities." But Protestant England—though the Catholics did not ask for a penny, but only for a roll of parchment and a bit of sealing-wax upon it— refused the Catholic bishops and the people of Ireland that charter. Therefore it is idle at this time of day to suggest that we should not do this at the public expense, when the first essential of a university is that it should get State recognition of some sort. The hon. Member opposite turns the argument the other way. I am bound to say I think the position of Nonconformists in this matter towards us is entirely different from the position of the hon. Member for South Belfast. I believe the Nonconformists of England are not bigoted. I believe they desire to extend us this right. But they feel that if they do so they would be cutting away the ground from under their own position in England in relation to their own claims. It is not that they would seek to deny us our rights, but they are afraid of inflicting an injury to their own position. I respectfully say there is no reason why we should be sacrificed because of their political or religious necessities. The hon. Member for South Belfast is animated by an entirely different view in his opposition to a Catholic university education. His position is that the Pope and the Scarlet Lady are practically Siamese twins. It has been said the difference between a Calvinistic Presbyterian and a Presbyterian proper, was that the Calvinistic Prebyterian believed that the Catholic was destined to be damned, whereas the Presbyterian proper believed that he would be damned anyhow. I do not know whether the hon. Member for South Belfast occupies one or both of those positions. To-night he turns round and says in two or three interruptions, "Oh, but your Pope allows you to send your children to Oxford and Cambridge." But what is the position? The Catholics in England are in a minority, and a very small minority. Those who acquire higher university education are generally the sons of people of high lineage and of large means, who can afford not only to pay for this university education, but to pay for the conditions which the Pope has prescribed as ancillary to their children going to Oxford or Cambridge, namely, that they shall pay for residence in a hall or college presided over by some dignitary or ecclesiastic of the Catholic Church; so that, although they are at Oxford and Cambridge, they are at the same time under strict supervision so far as religious education is concerned. But with regard to elementary schools, wherever Catholics are sufficiently numerous they maintain a school, and therefore it is idle to contend that the case is the same. In Ireland there is a further reason, and one which does credit both to the Pope and to the Universities of Oxford and Cambridge. I read recently an account of a visit to Ireland of a Protestant dignitary, and he was describing the difference between the religious life of the Irish and the English Protestant Churches. He said that it seemed to him that the Protestantism taught in Ireland was of such a wholly different character as to be almost a different religion. For 300 years has not the object of Trinity College been to subvert the faith and to sap the integrity of the Catholic Church? The whole system had that object, and the Education Code was established with the same view; and, as the hon. Member for the Scotland Division said, so recently as the days of Archbishop Whateley there was an absolute confession under the hand of those who established the system that its object was proselytism and the perversion and subversion of the faith of the Catholic Church. Therefore, for my part, even though the Pope had not prescribed these conditions, I would approach the question of going to Oxford or Cambridge from an entirely different point of view—and for this reason. As a rule, Englishmen care very little about religion. In Oxford or Cambridge I am quite satisfied that the professors do not care a dump of what religion a man is, and the last thing any of them would seek to do would be to pervert the mind or attack the faith of any gentleman under their control. That comes of the liberality of thought which prevails in this country; that comes because you have all your political problems settled in this country; that comes from the ingrained and long descended habit of thought which has been cultivated in Tory and Liberal circles for generations. But is it the same in Ireland? In the opinion of the Member for South Belfast the Battle of the Boyne only occurred yesterday. He is as militant over those dead bones and feels as keenly about the matter as though the bloodstains were still fresh. That is the opinion which prevails, and, forsooth, we are to send our children to be instructed by a professoriate which is mainly manned by gentlemen holding such opinions. I remember hearing it said a long time ago that a distinguished surgeon in Trinity College when giving his lectures on anatomy, commenced by saying, especially if Catholics were present, "Gentlemen, I have dissected many subjects, but I have never yet come across the human soul." These things spread and percolate amongst the Catholic population. There is an instinctive dread—it may be unreasonable, but there is an instinctive dread—amongst the masses of the people of Ireland, that the object for which Queen Elizabeth founded Trinity College is still in vogue, even in the days of Queen Victoria—viz., the subversion of the Catholic people. If the Nonconformists are so anxious for equal education amongst all people in Ireland, why is it that from these benches we do not have continual motions for the destruction of the Divinity School at Trinity College? I never hear the hon. Member for Mansfield, or the hon. Member for Louth, get up to ballot for a Tuesday in order to attack this abominable system, under which thousands of pounds of public money has been devoted to sending forth youths equipped in Episcopal doctrine to act as the clerics of Protestant ascendancy in Ireland. I have never heard them say a word about it. They are quite satisfied that this Divinity School should prevail there. ("No.") I have no doubt the hon. Member who says "No" is such an iconoclast that if he could, without any great trouble of body or mind, pull down even Episcopalian Protestanism, he would pronounce an opinion in that sense, but we see no active efforts on the part of the Church militant on this side of the House to destroy the form of the Church militant. They are quite satisfied to allow it to remain, and, speaking for myself, I also am quite satisfied. I do not desire for one moment to deprive them of this. For my part, I never saw much good derived from the disestablishment of the Church of Ireland. I think it was rather rudely attacked, and the question was very stupidly handled. As far as I am concerned, if the Protestants of Ireland desire to have their Divinity School at Trinity College, so long as I and my children are not asked to attend it, let them have it. What do we ask? Here are we supplying you £8,000,000 of money, some of which is to go to the South Pole looking for icebergs, some to establish an observatory on the top of Ben Nevis, some for shooting the Boers, some for providing an open door in China, some to keep up Buddhism and Hindooism, some to create a college in favour of Mahommedanism in some part of Africa. What do we want? We want about as much money as would build a battleship in order to start this system. It is our own money we ask for. We do not ask for your money. You rob us of £3,000,000 every year, according to the Report of your own Commission. You pack the jury, and then quarrel with the verdict. It has now come to this, that one House will not allow us to found a university, and the other House will not allow us to drain our sewers. It is to that position we are brought to-night in this temple of British liberty. We must not have a university, we cannot even have a corporation; we cannot manage our cattle. Although the Catholics of Ireland have to contend under these unequal conditions, and have to come over here to your Parliament to look after the wants and grievances of their country, yet you hope at the same time to maintain loyalty in the

    AYES.

    Aird, JohnChaplin, Rt. Hon. HenryGibbs, Hon. V. (St. Albans)
    Anson, Sir William ReynellCharrington, SpencerGiles, Charles Tyrrell
    Arrol, Sir WilliamClare, Octavius LeighGilliat, John Saunders
    Asher, AlexanderClough, Walter OwenGoldsworthy, Major-General
    Atkinson, Rt. Hon. JohnCochrane, Hon. Thos. H. A. E.Gordon, Hon. John Edward
    Bagot, Capt. Josceline FitzroyCoghill, Douglas HarryGorst, Rt. Hon. Sir J. Eldon
    Balfour, Rt. Hn. A. J. (Manch'r)Cohen, Benjamin LouisGoschen, Rt. Hn G J. (St George's
    Balfour, Rt. Hn. G. W. (Leeds)Collings, Rt. Hon. JesseGoulding, Edward Alfred
    Banbury, Frederick GeorgeCornwallis, Fiennes Stanley W.Gray, Ernest (West Ham)
    Barnes, Frederic GorellCurzon, ViscountGreene, H. D. (Shrewsbury)
    Barton, Dunbar PlunketDalkeith, Earl ofGull, Sir Cameron
    Bathurst, Hon. Allen BenjaminDalziel, James HenryHanbury, Rt. Hon. Robt. Wm.
    Beach, Rt. Hn. Sir M. H. (BristolDavies, Sir Horatio D. (Chath'mHayne, Rt. Hn. Chas. Seale-
    Bethell, CommanderDickson-Poynder, Sir J. P.Hedderwick, Thomas Charles H
    Bhownaggree, Sir M. M.Dilke, Rt. Hon. Sir CharlesHermon-Hodge, Robert Trotter
    Bigwood, JamesDouglas, Rt. Hon. A. Akers-Hoare, E. Brodie (Hampstead
    Billson, AlfredDoxford, William TheodoreHozier, Hn. James Henry Cecil
    Blundell, Colonel HenryDuncombe, Hon. Hubert V.Jeffreys, Arthur Frederick
    Bond, EdwardDyke, Rt. Hon. Sir W. HartJenkins, Sir John Jones
    Boscawen, Arthur Griffith-Fellowes, Hon. Ailwyn Edw.Johnstone, William (Belfast)
    Boulnois, EdmundFenwick, CharlesKeswick, William
    Bousfield, William RobertField, Admiral (Eastbourne)Kimber, Henry
    Broadhurst, HenryFinch, George H.Lawrence, Sir E. Durning-(Corn
    Brodrick, Rt Hon. St. JohnFinlay, Sir Robert BannatyneLawson, John Grant (Yorks.)
    Bullard, Sir, HarryFisher, William HayesLawson, Sir Wilfrid (Cumb'land
    Butcher, John GeorgeFison, Frederick WilliamLea, Sir Thomas (Londonderry
    Caldwell, JamesFitzmaurice, Lord EdmondLlewelyn, Sir Dillwyn-(Swans.)
    Campbell, J. H. M. (Dublin)Fitz Wygram, General Sir F.Lloyd-George, David
    Carlile, William WalterFlannerry, Sir FortescueLockwood, Lt.-Col. A. R.
    Cayzer, Sir Charles WilliamFlower, ErnestLoder, Gerald Walter Erskine
    Cecil, Evelyn (Hertford, East)Foster, Harry S. (Suffolk)Long, Col. Chas. W. (Evesham)
    Chaloner, Captain R. G. W.Fry, LewisLong, Rt. Hn. Walter (Liverpool
    Chamberlain, Rt. Hn. J. (Birm.Gedge. SydneyLowe, Francis William
    Chamberlain, J. Austen(Wore.Gibbons, J. LloydLowles, John
    Channing, Francis AllstonGibbs, Hn. A. G. H. (C. of Lond.)Macartney, W. G. Ellison

    hearts of the Irish people. When we advocate things that do not affect the Empire or the union, but which would enable our young men to enter your Civil Service, and to obtain distinction through the methods of education, you have some Protestant scruple which is to debar us, and keep us in such a condition as if emancipation had never taken place. Under these circumstances, I say the Emancipation Act is a fraud. The people of Ireland have this small demand. It is a demand which they have persisted in for generations—I may say for centuries—and considering that it is not yet more than eighty or ninety years since you compelled them to go abroad, not merely for religious education, but secular, I do think it is a remarkable thing that in the closing days of this century a sum of one or two millions of money should be denied by this House, in the day of £100,000,000 Budgets, to enable the Irish people to receive that higher education in accord with the system in which they believe, and in satisfaction of their consciences.

    The Committee divided:—Ayes, 169; Noes, 26. (Division List, No. 339.)

    Macdonna, John CummingRasch, Major Frederic CarneStirling-Maxwell, Sir J. M.
    Maclure, Sir John WilliamRichards, Henry CharlesStone, Sir Benjamin
    M'Arthur, Charles (LiverpoolRickett, J. ComptonStrutt, Hon. Charles Hedley
    Maddison, Fred.Ridley, Rt. Hn. Sir Matthew W.Sutherland, Sir Thomas
    Mellor, Colonel (Lancashire)Ritchie, Rt. Hn. C. ThomsonTritton, Charles Ernest
    Mildmay, Francis BinghamRoberts, John Bryn (Eifion)Ure, Alexander
    Monk, Charles JamesRoberts, John H. (Denbighs)Valentia, Viscount
    Moore, William (Antrim, N.)Robertson, Herbert (Hackney)Wallace, Robert
    More, R. Jasper (Shropshire)Round, JamesWalton, J. Lawson (Leeds, S.)
    Morrell, George HerbertRunciman, WalterWanklyn, James Leslie
    Morton, A. H. A. (Deptford)Russell, T. W. (Tyrone)Warde, Lt. -Col. C. E. (Kent)
    Moss, SamuelSavory, Sir JosephWhittaker, Thomas Palmer
    Murray, Rt. Hn. A. G. (Bute)Scoble, Sir Andrew RichardWilliams, J. Carvell (Notts)
    Murray, Charles J. (Coventry)Sharpe, William Edward T.Williams, Jos. Powell- (Birm.
    Murray, Col. Wyndham (Bath)Sidebotham, J. W. (Cheshire)Wilson, H. J. (York, W. R.)
    Newdigate, Francis AlexanderSidebottom, W. (Derbyshire)Wodehouse, Rt Hn. E. R. (Bath)
    Nicol, Donald NinianSmith, Hon. W. F. D. (Strand)Wylie, Alexander
    Norton, Capt. Cecil WilliamSouttar, RobinsonWyndham, George
    Oldroyd, MarkSpicer, AlbertYoxall, James Henry
    Parkes, EbenezerStanley, Hn. Arthur (Ormskirk
    Perks, Robert WilliamStanley, Edw. Jas. (Somerset)TELLERS FOR THE AYES—
    Pryce-Jones, Lt.-Col. EdwardStanley, Lord (Lancs.)Sir William Walrond and Mr. Anstruther.
    Purvis, RobertSteadman, William Charles

    NOES.

    Abraham, William (Cork, N. E.Hogan, James FrancisMorgan, W. P. (Merthyr)
    Austin, M. (Limerick, W.)Jameson, Major J. EustaceO'Brien, James F. X. (Cork)
    Bolton, Thomas DollingJones, William (Carnarvonsh)O'Connor, J. (Wicklow, W.)
    Cameron, Sir Chas. (Glasgow)Kearley, Hudson E.O'Connor, T. P. (Liverpool)
    Crilly, DanielKilbride, DenisSullivan, Donal (Westmeath)
    Curran, Thomas B. (Donegal)Macaleese, DanielWilson, J. H. (Middlesbrough)
    Curran, Thomas (Sligo, S.)M'Donnell. Dr. M. A. (Queen'sC
    Gourley, Sir Edw. TemperleyM'Dermott, Patrick

    TELLERS FOR THE NOES—Mr. Dillon and Captain Donelan.

    Harwood, GeorgeM'Leod, John
    Healy, T. M. (N. Louth)Molloy, Bernard Charles

    Class V

    19. Motion made, and Question proposed, "That a sum, not exceeding £227,335, be granted to Her Majesty, to complete the sum necessary to defray the Charge which will come in course of payment during the year ending on the 31st day of March, 1900, for the Expenses of Her Majesty's Embassies and Missions Abroad, and of the Consular Establishments Abroad and other Expenditure chargeable on the Consular Vote."

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    At this time of the evening, with the shadow of the guillotine hanging over us, there is a desire to discuss as many Votes as we can before the closure, and I shall therefore be very brief in the remarks I propose to make. I gave notice of my intention to move two reductions—to reduce the salary of Sir Arthur Hardinge as Consul-General for Zanzibar, and also on another item to reduce the salary of the same gentleman in respect of British East Africa—but for the convenience of the Committee I intend to take the two proposals together, and move a reduction of the entire Vote. In regard to Zanzibar all we have to say really is that the pace at which emancipation is proceeding, there is not, in our opinion, sufficiently rapid for the honour of the country, and also that the emancipation which has been effected has been accompanied by conditions which we think are in some degree disgraceful. But I shall not dwell upon the Zanzibar portion of the case. As is well known, we believe that the great majority of the slaves in Zanzibar, most of whom are brought from what has now become a British possession, are-illegally held in defiance of the proclamations of the Sultan of Zanzibar issued from time to time under our instructions. In respect of British East Africa certain new facts have come to our knowledge since this matter was last mentioned in. the House. Many of us have had an opportunity of meeting the gentleman who is at the head of the Primitive. Methodist Mission, where certain incidents occurred that have previously been brought to the knowledge of the House. The Foreign Office have on this question somewhat reverted to their earlier attitude, and. we have some complaint against the Under Secretary for having taken up, under the suggestion of Sir Arthur Hardinge, a non possums attitude with regard to any further change. At one moment the late Under Secretary very frankly admitted that the Foreign Office had changed their views. When we produced the warrants by which persons have been returned into slavery by British courts the Foreign Office stated that they had been entirely unaware of the practice of British courts in respect to returning fugitive slaves, and the late Under Secretary stated that under instructions which were given by the Government on the opinion of the Attorney-General, the Foreign Office was going to introduce a complete change of system. Now, Sir, after careful discussion with the gentleman to whom I have referred, all of us who have seen him are as convinced of his perfect truthfulness as we are of that of Bishop Tucker, who originally brought this matter to our knowledge, and I am sure Sir Arthur Hardinge shares that view as to the absolute truthfulness and good faith of the gentleman in question. What does he state? He tells us that besides the Kombe case, there have been other instances of the same description. For instance, one of his mission men was sent to prison in June, 1898, on a charge of luring away slaves from their owners, and facts which have been brought to our knowledge with regard to that charge go to show that that is one of those cases where the House of Commons are quite unaware of what is being done in their name by British courts in British East Africa. As regards the case which was previously brought to the knowledge of the House, the Kombe case, the Under Secretary made certain statements which, according to our present information, are quite opposed to the real facts of the case, as we thought they were at the time they were made, on the information then before us. This is a case, as the Committee will remember, of the return into slavery by the action of a British court of a person who had been ten years in freedom. That person was sent back by British authority to an Arab master, who had no means whatever of recovering that slave but for the intervention of the British court. After investigation we found that Mr. Lloyd, who tried the case, was a finance official, and that he had no experience as a magistrate, that he was entirely ignorant of the native tongue and absolutely dependent on his Arab interpreter. I need hardly say that the Government ought to view with the greatest suspicion the action of a British court in British East Africa, where the legal status of slavery has not yet been abolished, when it involves the return into slavery of persons who have been free for over ten years, after a hearing, before such a magistrate as I have described. On March 21st the Under Secretary made a statement with regard to this case in which he said that these slaves made no objection to returning to their master, that they were desirous of doing so in order to get food, and the master brought the matter into court as he wished to get a formal declaration of his legal right to their services in return for subsistence. The Attorney-General, speaking on that occasion, stated that these three persons were willing to return to their master. All I can say is that, after most careful investigation, we believe that this gentleman's, denial that those are the real facts of the case is one which the Committee may accept. That is all I wish to say with regard to the matter, except that further inquiry into the Indian law leads us entirely to maintain our contradiction of the assurance of the Under Secretary that the state of things in British East Africa is as good in respect of the recognition of slavery as it was in India immediately after 1843. The state of things in India then was very similar to that existing in the colony of Lagos, which was defended by the Secretary of State for the Colonies a day or two ago as being virtually equivalent to the total abolition of the legal status of slavery, and we maintain our view that the Under Secretary cannot justify his opinion that the state of things in India in 1843 was less good than that prevailing in British East Africa. I beg to move.

    Motion made, and Question proposed—

    "That a sum, not exceeding £277,135, be granted for the said service."—(Sir Charles Dilke.)

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    It is only out of respect to the right hon. Gentleman that I rise to reply. The whole subject was discussed on the last occasion for three or four hours, and not a single new fact has been brought out this evening by the right hon. Gentleman. He himself said he would not discuss the question of Zanzibar, and then he said the process of emancipation ought to proceed more quickly. He has not given us any new cases, nor has he produced any new facts, except that the opinion which Sir Arthur Hardinge gave us as the result of his investigations, and which he gave publicly in his official position, was not borne out by a certain individual who has been over here, and whom the right hon. Gentleman has seen. I have seen neither that individual nor any information tendered by him in writing in support of his statements, and at this moment I am not in possession of anything but just the fact that even now these persons who were sent back to their master deny that they made any objection to that return. I have not the least doubt that there is some difference of opinion as to the facts, but on the other hand I am convinced that the despatch of Sir Arthur Hardinge shows that he had taken great pains to inform himself of the actual state of the facts. The statements made were, we believe, accurately reported to the presiding magistrate by the interpreter, and I do not think it is possible to provide that the English judge should always have a knowledge of the native tongue so as to be able to dispense with an interpreter. In a great number of courts all over the world that is not done, and I am quite certain there is no desire to do any injustice in the matter. Every effort was made to give these persons an opportunity of objecting if they desired to do so, or if they had any fear about returning to their master; they did not propose to lodge any objection at that time; it was found two or three months afterwards that one of these individuals had left his master again, and another had taken service elsewhere. I never felt that this was a particularly strong case on which to attack the government of Sir Arthur Hardinge. I only express the desire we have that the fullest consideration should be given in all these cases, and that escaped slaves should not be returned to their masters except in cases in which it is proved that we should otherwise be breaking the pledges which were given at the time the territory was taken over.

    I am sorry this matter has been brought to such a very small issue as whether or not these so-called slaves were willing to go back to their master. It seems very strange, if they were willing, that their master should require to go to the court to make them. It is not a question of willingness or unwillingness; the whole question is whether, in any country in which justice is administered in a court in the name of Her Majesty, the judge or magistrate is seriously to consider whether a particular person belongs to himself or to anybody else. I do not suppose for a moment that in such a territory as Zanzibar we can immediately put down slavery, but putting down slavery by force is one thing, and recognising slavery is another. "When we take possession of a country we may leave the laws undisturbed for a time, but it does not follow that our courts ought to enforce those laws. The enforcement ought to be left to the natives themselves. That is a very different thing from lending the aid of our courts and magistrates to enforce the laws of slavery. This has been mentioned over and over again, and I must say it is intolerable that we should have cases arising time after time in which the old saying, that the moment a slave touched British territory he was free, no longer holds good, but that we should have courts of ours putting laws into operation in order that people may be returned to what are called their "owners." I cannot believe in anybody being the owner of somebody else, and I am sure the Members on the Front Bench hold the same view, and I want them to say that this intolerable state of things should not exist a single day longer.

    I think we have some cause of complaint in that the Under Secretary has not taken this matter more seriously. It is not sufficient to ignore a statement simply because it is a repetition of a previous statement. If it was true when first made, and still remains true, it requires an answer. I heard a short time ago, from an undoubted authority, that this law was being administered in Zanzibar in a manner most calculated to prevent it having the effect desired or intended by its authors—that every opposition was placed in the way of poor people in remote parts of the country getting to a magis- trate's court in order to lay bare their case against the slave-owner. These are the allegations, that actually under British government and British authority obstacles are placed in the way of these poor people taking the necessary legal procedure to liberate themselves from their slavery. The right hon. Gentleman ought to say that this is repugnant to British instincts, feeling and sentiment, and that he, as representing the Foreign Office in this House, would take a note of the statement of the right hon. Baronet, and do his best to see that the law is enforced with more energy and with more convenience to the persons seeking this redress than has been the case in the past. The status of slavery ought altogether to be abolished, and the right hon. Gentleman ought to tell us that by the time we reassemble next year much will have been done to meet the views of the people who take a great interest in this subject.

    I have another subject to which I wish to call attention on this Vote. I want to refer, not to the slaves in Zanzibar, but to a class of men who are little better than slaves, and who receive very hard treatment from the hands of the present Government, and I want to point out that the Foreign Office is largely responsible for the treatment received. In 1897 I sent a report to the Board of Trade with regard to the position of seamen who are engaged and discharged at the consular shipping offices abroad, and I pointed out that seamen were assaulted in the offices of Her Majesty's consuls, that they were robbed in those offices, and that it was impossible for any seaman to engage in the ports of the United States without the intervention of "crimps" and other low characters, and that the consular officers allowed these "crimps" free access into the consular offices. I stated in that report that I myself had witnessed in New York as many as twenty or twenty-five of these "crimps" in the shipping office where the men were being engaged and discharged. I also stated that a number of shipowners in this country had entered into contracts with "crimps" in New York for the engagement of men, that these "crimps" charged the seamen as much as £3, £4, or £5 as a shipping fee, and that shipowners shared these fees with the "crimps" A number of Members thought my language was very extravagant; they said that the charges I made were very serious indeed, and they were inclined to doubt my assertions. However, in May, 1898, a Report was moved by a Member of this House in regard to the condition of affairs in the consuls' offices abroad, and I find in that Report that Her Majesty's consuls, themselves, in the United States, fully bear out every statement I made. Her Majesty's consul for Philadelphia said that in ports in the United States a system of contracting exists between the shipping agents and the owners in the United Kingdom for the supply of seamen; in which the blood money is even higher than I have mentioned, as much as twenty dollars being deducted from the seamen's advance. The agreements usually terminate at the final port of discharge in the United Kingdom, the United States, or the Continent of Europe, but in most cases the words "United States" are required by the master, or his agent, to be struck out by the consul. So that, should the vessel return to those waters, the shipowner can demand from one to three months' pay from the men for their discharge; that is to say, if a man engages in one of the ports of the United States, and makes a voyage, returning to the United States, he has paid twenty dollars to this "crimp" for the privilege of getting the employment; he cannot get employment unless he pays that fee, so he pays this twenty dollars for a start, makes a voyage of three or four months, and that ship returns to port. The captain wants to get rid of his crew, so he gives them all kinds of work to do, and no money to spend; and when, as a result, the men ask to be discharged, the captain says, "I will discharge you, but you must pay a month's or two months' wages, and in some cases three months' wages."

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    The hon. Member must confine himself on this Vote to a criticism of the conduct of Her Majesty's consuls abroad. The general system to which he is referring is not a matter within the discretion of the consuls. Any matter which is within the discretion or power of the consuls, in which he thinks they are acting improperly, he can bring under review.

    I contend I am fully entitled to discuss anything which appears in this Report.

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    I do not think that would be right at all. Upon this Vote the hon. Gentleman is entitled to criticise the action of the consuls. If he considers they have not made a proper Report, he can criticise that, but he cannot criticise the system upon which the consuls happen to report.

    Then, Sir, I will stick to the conduct of the consuls. I have maintained more than once that Her Majesty's consuls could put a stop to these proceedings if they took the matter in hand in a proper manner. I have asked that instructions should be issued by the Government to the consuls, that no one, except the seamen and the master, should be allowed in the consuls' offices when the men are being engaged. It is not a proper thing, when the consuls themselves have admitted that this class of men do fasten themselves on the seamen, that they should be tolerated in the offices of the consuls. Surely there must be something radically wrong when the business of Her Majesty's consuls cannot be conducted without—I would not like to say there is collusion between the consuls and these men, but it is a very improper state of things which exists. The Government have been fully aware of this for over two years. It is not a question of to-day. I have repeatedly raised the question in the House. I have put questions to different Ministers, calling their attention to it. My statements have not been denied; they have been confirmed by the consuls themselves, and yet nothing has been done. There is another matter on which I have to complain of the conduct of the consuls. Very often voyages terminate in foreign ports. Under the Merchant Shipping Act, Sec. 186, it is provided that whenever a seaman is discharged in a foreign port, the owner shall provide that man with a passage home, with maintenance, to the port in the United Kingdom at which he was engaged. That section of the Act has been disputed for a long time, but it is established by the decision of a court of law that that obligation is imposed. It is the duty of Her Majesty's consuls, whenever men are discharged in their ports, to see that that section of the Act is complied with. But they do not do so. What is more, I have complained of consuls who deliberately place seamen in such a position, that when they commence an action for the recovery of what they are entitled to under this section, by the action of many of the consuls the men are put out of court. There is a section which says that the consul shall insist upon a certain amount of money, which, in his judgment, is sufficient to defray the expenses, being paid down. Take, for instance, Rotterdam or Antwerp. Many of the consuls, when a captain refuses to pay the men's fares and maintenance to the port in the United Kingdom at which they were engaged, say, "You must deposit 10s."Ten shillings only carries a man to the nearest port in the United Kingdom—say Harwich, and from there a man engaged at Cardiff has to pay his fare to the latter place out of his own pocket. If the seaman desires to sue in a court of law for the balance, all the owners have to do is to prove that Her Majesty's consul made an endorsement on the articles of agreement that 10s. was sufficient, and then the man is put out of court, and has no remedy whatever. I do not want Her Majesty's Government to take up the side of the seamen—theycan take their own part; but I want instructions to be given to every consular-officer abroad that, whenever a seaman is. discharged in his port, he will not make an endorsement on the articles that the captain has complied with the Act, unless the seaman is paid his full passage money to the port at which he was engaged, with maintenance money. We are only asking that no obstruction shall be put on our road in a court of law. Only to-day I was in court in connection with a case in which seamen discharged at Marseilles, claimed passage to Cardiff, but the captain would only pay to London. We are now told that the captain complied with the requirements of the consul, and that the latter has written a letter stating that he asked that the men's fares should be paid to London only, and that the men were perfectly satisfied, and the consul is to be called as a witness against the men. Another section of the Act provides that where the captain or owner fails to pay the passage of the men to the port of engagement, the consul himself can pay, and recover the money as a debt due from the owners. Where is the protection for a British seaman if the consul takes the side of employers as against the men? That seems to me to be a just cause of complaint. I have repeatedly called attention to these matters, and I hope the right hon. Gentleman, the Under Secretary for Foreign Affairs, will see that the law is carried out. We do not ask for any special privileges. I wrote to the Board of Trade, informing them that it was our intention to place our own agents on the continent, so that wherever a captain refused to pay fares back to the port of engagement, our agents could pay and afterwards recover the amount as a debt. I got a letter from the Board of Trade, which no doubt came from the Foreign Office, stating that they could not see their way to issue any instructions. I hope, however, the Foreign Office will now issue instructions that crimps and robbers be kept off consular premises.

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    The hon. Member has made a speech containing a considerable indictment of the officers in the consular service, but he did not give me the slightest notice that he was bringing forward this question, or any opportunity to study the points he was about to make. The hon. Member made several sweeping charges without supporting them by individual cases of fact. With regard to one point to which the hon. Member alluded, viz., the Consular Office at New York, into which he says crimps find their way and ought to be excluded, only a few days ago, in answer to a question on the subject, I said that the point was under consideration at the present moment. The hon. Member represented in vivid terms the scenes which take place in consular offices, but we are informed that disturbances are of very rare occurrence; and in this matter, as in the other, it would be desirable if the hon. Gentleman were more definite.

    I have many cases, but I did not desire to take up the time of the Committee.

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    I do not think the hon. Gentleman can really be under the impression—certainly, we are not under the impression—that there is any desire on the part of our consular officers to deprive any of our seamen of the protection to which they are entitled. The Government have no such desire, and if the hon. Gentleman can produce any cases of that kind, we will take care that they are properly investigated, but I do not think general statements are very helpful to us. The hon. Gentleman takes great interest in these matters; we take an interest in them also; and I may truly say that since I have been at the Foreign Office the hon. Gentleman has not addressed to me one single word of complaint with reference to consular officers.

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    If my right hon. friend the President of the Board of Trade were here, I think he would say that in those cases also the hon. Gentleman might have been more definite. I can assure the hon. Gentleman that there is the strongest desire on our part to see that our seamen get the best possible advantage from our consular officers. As the hon. Gentleman knows, it is illegal in the United States to advance money on wages, but I have not the least doubt, as the right hon. Gentleman says, that the law is to some extent evaded, and if he will give us particulars we will gladly take the matter up. I can only say that in every report we have received there is manifest the strongest desire on the part of our consular officers to do the very best they can for our seamen.

    I think the question raised by the hon. Member for Middlesbrough is one of great importance, and I am quite sure it is through no fault of the right hon. Gentleman himself that he has not been able to give the hon. Member a satisfactory assurance. The right hon. Gentleman complained that no definite details had been given. I quite admit that to a Minister specific instances are of more value than any amount of argument. Well, last year, the hon. Member for Middlesbrough set out at considerable length, and in the minutest detail, charges against the consuls. I take it that this is no charge against the personal conduct of the consuls, but against the bad system. The hon. Member quoted last year, from personal observation, gross cases where the lowest of human kind, crimps, and their attendants, were allowed to go into the British Consular Office at New York. Not only did the hon. Member draw the attention of the House to these complaints last year, but also the year before, and surely we have a right to complain that these grievances have not been redressed in the course of two years. This is not a question concerning seamen only; it is one of national importance. Very useful reports have been issued by certain consuls, which show most conclusively that these crimps ply their baneful trade in the consular offices, where they have actually got a kind of official standing. It is pointed out in these reports that consuls could, if certain steps were taken, have much greater control over the seamen and the crimps than they now have. Mr. Laidlaw, the British Consul at Portland, Oregon, in his Report, says that a comprehensive Consular Convention should be concluded with the United States, giving the same exclusive jurisdiction as is now enjoyed by the French and German Consuls. That would include power to call upon the local authority for necessary assistance. That is a very fertile field of usefulness for the office the right hon. Gentleman represents. Mr. Laidlaw shows clearly the serious danger menacing British seamen, how great the power of the drinking saloon is, and that, in spite of all warning, the seamen listen to what the crimps say. I believe if this exclusive jurisdiction referred to by Mr. Laidlaw were granted it would effectually cure the worst of the evils complained of. I am sure that in the present temper of the United States, which we all rejoice at, a consular convention might be arrived at, and I hope that matter will be taken up in earnest by the right hon. Gentleman during the recess.

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    I am fully aware of the importance of the subject, and I will undertake that in the course of the next few months the points raised shall be fully considered with the view of seeing what possible action can be taken to cure the evils complained of. The point brought forward more especially by Mr. Laidlaw, who is one of our most active and most excellent officers, will be considered, and although the subject is a very complicated one, I think I can promise the hon. Gentleman that he will have no occasion to raise the question next year.

    Two points have been strongly urged by my hon. friend the Member for Middlesbrough. In the first place, he referred to the crimps, contending that they ought not to be allowed on the consular premises while contracts were being made between the masters and the seamen. That is a very small point in itself, but it is very great in its effect upon the interests of the seamen, because it leads the seamen to feel that the crimp has some legal standing in the matter of the contract. The other point is that the consuls should be referred to the section of the Act which makes it imperative on the masters of a ship to pay the fare of a sailor back from the foreign port at which he is discharged to the port at which he was engaged. I think the right hon. Gentleman is entitled to complain, as he has done, that no notice was given that this matter would be revived, but I am sure my hon. friend would be the last person to strike where his opponent is off guard.

    I should not have intervened in this Debate but for the fact that I have seen some of the evils complained of in New York, and I am bound to say that no language can exaggerate them. But I rose for the purpose of drawing attention to the valuable suggestions made in the very first Report published in the Blue Book by Consul Fraser, who speaks with special authority on the subject. Consul Fraser sums up his report by this recommendation:

    "From a very lengthened experience of the British seaman at American ports, and of the many persons who directly or indirectly make their living out of him, I believe that the first step to be taken, and which will doubtless greatly check desertion in the United States, and at some ports almost entirely eliminate it, is to get rid of the so-called shipping master; and until he has ceased to exist all efforts to stop desertion will, in my opinion, he fruitless."
    Then he goes on to make this valuable suggestion:
    "I would suggest the establishment, under the supervision of the consul, of a department on similar lines to mercantile marine officers in the United Kingdom. No man should be allowed to be brought to the consulate to be shipped by any person who makes it a business of finding employment for seamen, and he should also be strictly excluded from the office. Advance notes should be issued and paid at the consulate. Should a master desire to have his crew put on board by an employé of the consulate, a charge of not more than 2 dollars for each man would be made for the service. An objection to this cannot well be raised on the ground that it would be an additional burden on the ship, as it is willingly paid at present to persons who perform the same work."
    Then he goes on to say.
    "A similar department to that to which I have referred was established at the Consulate-General at New York in 1872, under my own supervision, which worked admirably for several years, but, most unfortunately, it had to be discontinued for want of funds."

    Order, order! The question which the hon. Member is discussing cannot be discussed under this Vote.

    All I want to say is that I believe from my own observation there is not sufficient supervision on the part of the Consul-General at New York. I regard the suggestion of Consul Fraser as a most valuable one, and if his proposal were carried out, and if greater supervision were to be exercised, these evils would very soon cease to exist.

    I think much of the mischief has arisen from the consuls acting, in perfect good faith, upon a wrong view of their duties under the Merchant Shipping Act, and only allowing the seaman the bare cost of his passage home without maintenance. The courts, while declaring that view to be wrong, have, at the same time, held that they cannot override the discretion of a consul. The consul is in the position of an arbitrator, from whoso decision there is no appeal, and therefore the seaman has no remedy. Accordingly it comes peculiarly within the province of the Foreign Office to instruct the consuls on this point, and then seamen would be relieved of very great injustice and hardship.

    The matter to which I desire to call attention is the bearing of consular reports on trade. It is well within the knowledge of those connected with trade that we are far behind other countries in this matter, either because the reports furnished by consuls of other countries are superior to ours, or that the Foreign Office does not take sufficient steps to ventilate these reports. We find that in almost every country where there is a prospect of a growing trade, the German, Austrian, and Belgian consuls go in for minuter particulars of every class of trade, and that the various Foreign Offices take special steps to place those reports in the hands of the merchants. They have undoubtedly, by these means, cut us out of many markets where we had hitherto more than held our own. As a case in point, I would draw attention to the trade in Turkey, more especially as regards Asia Minor. I find, from the most excellent report of Acting-Consul Massey, that whereas some years ago our trade in a particular part of Turkey was extremely good, it fell away in consequence of events which took place in that quarter of the world. Now trade is about to revive, and the recovery which took place in 1897 has continued. We find that the exports are now £158,000, and the imports over £200,000. This sum, however, might be easily doubled. Prior to 1890 it was considerably larger than it is now. There is every opening for an increase of trade. But why is it this increase does not take place? Because there is no attempt made on the part of our Government, in conjunction with the consul, to see that proper trade catalogues are furnished, with price lists. The most absurd catalogues are sent out to these countries, furnishing a class of goods which it is altogether outside the power of the inhabitants to buy. It is suggested by the consul to whom I have referred, that a central agency should be established for the collation and distribution of catalogues, and for furnishing practical and useful information for the benefit of those who desire to encourage trade there. At the present time the entire trade is in the hands of a certain number of middlemen, mostly Greeks and Armenians, who are most unscrupulous in their dealing. The English merchant who sends out goods is completely in the hands of these men, who, for a commission of an extra five or six per cent., foist upon the people of this country low-class goods made in Austria and elsewhere. The establishment of a central agency, according to the consul, would not cost more than £2,000, and if the merchants of this country would put their hands in their pockets and pay £5 each, some 400 of them could provide the necessary money. At the present moment the entire trade in cloth is supplied from Austria. A large merchant in these parts declared that he sent an order to England, but it was not entertained. Another said he could not get a particular cloth.

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    Order, order! I do not see how the hon. and gallant Member connects these matters with the Vote. He is critising the actions of merchants.

    I am endeavouring to criticise the action of the Foreign Office, in not taking steps to bring home, by means of consular reports, the condition of our trade, and to distribute these reports amongst the merchants, and I submit that it is in consequence of this attitude that we are losing trade. There is a great opening for a trade of something like £8,000 worth of cloth, as used in one part of Asia Minor. At the present time, however, the whole of this commodity is manufactured in Austria.

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    Order, order! The hon. Member is really criticising the action of the merchants in not acting upon the consular report.

    My contention is that our consular reports fall distinctly behind those of all other great trading countries, as a consequence of which trade in all out-of-the-way places is passing into the hands of Germans and Belgians. I

    AYES.

    Abraham, Wm. (Cork, N. E.)Hazell, Walter,Palmer, Sir C. M. (Durham)
    Asher, AlexanderHealy, Timothy M. (N. Louth)Pearson, Sir Weetman D.
    Ashton, Thomas GairHedderwick, Thomas C. H.Perks, Robert William
    Atherley-Jones, L.Hogan, James FrancisPickersgill, Edward Hare
    Austin, M. (Limerick, W.)Horniman, Frederick JohnPirie, Duncan V.
    Balfour, Rt. Hon. J. B. (Clackm.Jameson, Major J. EustaceProvand, Andrew Dryburgh
    Bayley, Thomas (Derbyshire)Joicey, Sir JamesRickett, J. Compton
    Bllison, AlfredJones, William (Carnarvonsh.)Roberts, J. Bryn (Eifion)
    Bolton, Thomas DollingKearley, Hudson E.Roberts, John H. (Denbighs).
    Burns, JohnKilbride, DenisRobson, William Snowdon
    Caldwell, JamesLabouchere, HenryRunciman, Walter
    Cameron, Sir C. (Glasgow)Lawson, Sir Wilfrid (Cumb'landSouttar, Robinson
    Causton, Richard KnightLewis, John HerbertSteadman, William Charles
    Cawley, FrederickMacaleese, DanielSullivan, Donal (Westmeath)
    Channing, Francis AllstonM'Dermott, PatrickTrevelyan, Charles Philips
    Clough, Walter OwenM'Leod, JohnUre, Alexander
    Curran, Thomas (Sligo, S.)Maddison, Fred.Wallace, Robert
    Curran, Thomas B. (Donegal)Maden, John HenryWalton, John L. (Leeds, S.)
    Dalziel, James HenryMendl, Sigismund FerdinandWarner, Thos. Courtenay T.
    Dillon, JohnMorgan, W. Pritchard (MerthyrWhittaker, Thomas Palmer
    Donelan, Captain A.Morton, E. J. C. (Devonport)Williams, John Carvell (Notts)
    Fenwick, CharlesMoss, SamuelWilson. Henry J. (York, W. R.)
    Fitzmaurice, Lord EdmondMoulton, John FletcherWilson, Jos. H. (Middlesbro')
    Fowler, Rt. Hon. Sir HenryNorton, Capt. Cecil WilliamYoxall, James Henry
    Gedge SydneyO'Brien, James F. X. (Cork)
    Gourley, Sir E. TemperleyO'Connor, James (Wicklow, W.

    TELLERS FOR THE AYES—Sir Charles Dilke and Mr. Broadhurst.

    Griffith, Ellis J.O'Connor, T. P. (Liverpool)
    Hayne, Rt. Hon. Chas. Seale-Oldroyd, Mark

    should therefore be glad if the Under Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs will say what steps are taken in order to prevent our competitors getting the better of us in these places.

    Is it not the fact that the consular reports are in many respects not up to the mark? I contend that the consular service should be made a real service, as it is in other countries. At present gentlemen are appointed haphazard without any training.

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    totally denied the impeachment brought against the consuls by the hon. Member.

    expressed the hope that the right hon. Gentleman would seriously consider the question raised by the hon. and gallant Member for West Newington.

    *

    I propose to ask the Committee to divide, in consequence of the unsatisfactory reply given by the Under Secretary with regard to slavery in Zanzibar and in British East Africa.

    Question put.

    The Committee divided:—Ayes, 80; Noes, 174. (Division List, No. 340.)

    NOES.

    Arid, JohnFisher, William HayesMilward, Colonel Victor
    Allsopp, Hon. GeorgeFitzWigram, General Sir F.Monk, Charles James
    Arnold, AlfredFlannery, Sir FortescueMoon, Edward Robert Pacy
    Atkinson, Rt. Hon. JohnFlower, ErnestMoore, William (Antrim, N.)
    Balfour, Rt. Hon. A. J. (Man)Foster, Harry S. (Suffolk)More, Robt. Jasper (Shropshire)
    Balfour, Rt. Hn. G. W. (Leeds)Fry, LewisMorrell, George Herbert
    Banbury, Frederick GeorgeGalloway, W. JohnsonMorton, A. H. A. (Deptford)
    Barnes, Frederic GorellGibbons, J. LloydMurray, Rt Hn A. Graham (Bute
    Barton, Dunbar PlunketGibbs, Hon. V (St. Albans)Murray, Charles J. (Coventry)
    Bathurst, Hon. A. BenjaminGiles, Charles TyrrellMurray, Col. Wyndham (Bath)
    Beach, Rt. Hn. Sir M. H. (BristolGilliat, John SaundersNewdigate, Francis Alexander
    Bethell, CommanderGoldsworthy, Major-GeneralNicholson, William Graham
    Bhownaggree, Sir M. M.Gordon, Hon. John EdwardNicol, Donald Ninian
    Bigwood, JamesGorst, Rt. Hn. Sir John EldonNorthcote, Hon. Sir H. Stafford
    Blundell, Colonel HenryGoschen, Rt. Hn. G. J. (St. Geo. sOrr-Ewing, Charles Lindsay
    Bond, EdwardGoulding, Edward AlfredParkes, Ebenezer
    Boscawen, Arthur Griffith-Gray, Ernest (West Ham)Pierpoint, Robert
    Boulnois, EdmundGreene, Henry D. (ShrewsburyPryce-Jones, Lt.-Col. Edward
    Bousfield, William RobertGreen, W. Raymond- (Cambs)Purvis, Robert
    Brassey, AlbertGreville, Hon. RonaldRasch, Major Frederic Carne
    Brodrick, Rt. Hon. St. JohnGull, Sir CameronRichards, Henry Charles
    Bullard, Sir HarryHanbury, Rt. Hon. Robert W.Ridley, Rt. Hn. Sir Matthew W.
    Butcher, John GeorgeHeaton, John HennikerRitchie, Rt. Hon. C. T.
    Campbell, J. H. M. (Dublin)Hermon-Hodge, R. TrotterRobertson, Herbert (Hackney)
    Carlile, William WalterHill, Rt. Hn. A. Staveley (StaffsRound, James
    Cayzer, Sir Charles WilliamHoare, Edw. Brodie (Hampste'dRussell, T. W. (Tyrone)
    Cecil, Evely'n (Hertford, E.)Houldsworth, Sir Wm. HenryScoble, Sir Andrew Richard
    Cecil, Lord Hugh (Greenwich)Howard, JosephSharpe, William Edward T.
    Chaloner, Captain R. G. W.Hozier, Hon. James Henry CecilSidebotham, J. W. (Cheshire)
    Chamberlain, Rt. Hon. J. (Birm.Jackson, Rt. Hon. W. LawiesSidebottom, Wm. (Derbyshire)
    Chamberlain, J. Austen (Worc'rJeffreys, Arthur FrederickSimeon, Sir Barrington
    Chaplin, Rt. Hon. HenryJenkins, Sir John JonesSmith, Hon. W. F. D. (Strand)
    Charrington, SpencerJessel, Captain Herbert M.Spencer, Ernest
    Clare, Octavins LeighJohnston, William (Belfast)Stanley, Edw. Jas. (Somerset)
    Cochrane, Hon. Thos. H. A. E.Keswick, WilliamStanley, Lord (Lancs.)
    Coghill, Douglas HarryKimber, HenryStirling-Maxwell, Sir John M.
    Cohen, Benjamin LouisKnowles, LeesStone, Sir Bgnjamin
    Collings, Rt. Hon. JesseLawrence, Sir E Durning-(CornStrauss, Arthur
    Colston, Chas. Ed. H. AtholeLawrence, Wm. F. (LiverpoolStrutt, Hon. Charles Hedley
    Cook, Fred. Lucas (Lambeth)Lawson, John Grant (Yorks)Sturt, Hon. Humphry Napier
    Cornwallis, Fiennes Stanley W.Lea, Sir T. (Londonderry)Sutherland, Sir Thomas
    Cox, Irwin E. BainbridgeLeigh-Bennett, Henry CarrieTalbot, Rt Hn J. G. (Oxford Uni.
    Cripps, Charles AlfredLlewelyn, Sir D.-(Swansea)Tollemache, Henry James
    Curzon, ViscountLock wood, Lieut.-Col. A. R.Tomlinson, Wm. Edw. Murray
    Dalbiac, Col. Philip HughLoder, Gerald Walter ErskineTritton, Charles Ernest
    Dalkeith, Earl ofLong, Col. C. W. (Evesham)Valentia, Viscount
    Davies, Sir H. D. (Chatham)Long, Rt. Hn. W. (Liverpool)Wanklyn, James Leslie
    Dickson-Poynder, Sir J. P.Lowe, Marquess ofWarde, Lt.-Col. C. E. (Kent)
    Disraeli, Coningsby RalphLowe, Francis WilliamWilliams, J. Powell- (Birm.)
    Donkin, Richard SimLowles, JohnWilson, J. W. (Worcestersh., N.
    Doughty, GeorgeMacartney, W. G. EllisonWodehouse, Rt. Hn. E. R. (Bath)
    Douglas, Rt. Hon. A. Akers-Macdona, John CummingWortley, Rt. Hon. C. B. Stuart-
    Doxford, William TheodoreMaclure, Sir John WilliamWylie, Alexander
    Duncombe, Hon. Hubert V.M'Arthur, Charles (Liverpool)Wyndham, George
    Fellowes, Hon. Ailwyn Edw.Malcolm, IanWyndham-Quin, Maj. W. H.
    Field, Admiral (Eastbourne)Manners, Lord Edward Wm. J.Wyvill, Marmaduke d'Arcy
    Finch, George H.Maxwell, Rt. Hn. Sir Herbert E.

    TELLERS FOR THE NOES—Sir William Walrond and Mr.Anstruther.

    Finlay, Sir Robert BannatyneMellor, Colonel (Lancashire)
    Firbank, Joseph ThomasMildmay, Francis Bingham

    It being after Ten of the clock, the Chairman, in pursuance of the Order of the House of the 23rdFebruary last, proceeded to put the Questions necessary to dispose of the outstanding Votes in the Committee of Supply.

    Original Question put, and agreed to.

    20. Motion made, and Question put, "That a sum, not exceeding £154,463, be granted to Her Majesty, to complete the sum necessary to defray the charge which will come in course of payment during the year ending on the 31st day of March, 1900, for Grants in Aid of the Expenses of the British Protectorates in Uganda and in Central and East Africa, and under the Uganda Railway Act, 1896."

    The Committee divided:—Ayes, 206; Noes, 69. (Division List No. 341.)

    AYES.

    Aird, JohnFison, Frederick WilliamMore, Robert Jasp. (Shropshire)
    Allsopp, Hon. GeorgeFitzmaurice, Lord EdmondMorrell, George Herbert
    Anson, Sir William ReynellFitzWygram, General Sir F.Morton, A. H. A. (Deptford)
    Arnold, AlfredFlannery, Sir ForcescueMorton, E. J. C. (Devonport)
    Asher, AlexanderFlower, ErnestMurray, Rt Hn A. Graham (Bute
    Atkinson, Rt. Hon. JohnFoster, Harry S. (Suffolk)Murray, Charles J. (Coventry)
    Bagot, Capt. Josceline FitzRoyFowler, Rt. Hon. Sir HenryMurray, Col. Wyndham (Bath)
    Balfour, Rt. Hn. A. J. (Manch'rFry, LewisNewdigate, Francis Alexander
    Balfour, Rt. Hn. G. W. (Leeds)Galloway, William JohnsonNicholson, William Graham
    Balfour, Rt. Hn. J. B. (Clackm.)Gedge, SydneyNicol, Donald Ninian
    Banbury, Frederick GeorgeGibbons, J. LloydNorthcote, Hon. Sir H. Stafford
    Barnes, Frederic GorellGibbs, Hn. A. G. H (City of Lond)Oldroyd, Mark
    Barton, Dunbar PlunketGibbs, Hon. Vicary (St. Albans)Orr-Ewing, Charles Lindsay
    Bathurst, Hon. A. BenjaminGiles, Charles TyrrellParkes, Ebenezer
    Beach, Rt. Hn. Sir M. H. (BristolGilliat, John SaundersPearson, Sir Weetman D.
    Bethell, CommanderGoldsworthy, Major-GeneralPierpoint, Robert
    Bhownaggree, Sir M. M.Gordon, Hon. John EdwardPollock, Harry Frederick
    Bigwood, JamesGorst, Rt. Hon. Sir John EldonPyrce-Jones, Lt.-Col. Edward
    Blundell, Colonel HenryGoschen, Rt Hn G. J (St George'sPurvis, Robert
    Bond, EdwardGoulding, Edward AlfredRasch, Major Frederic Carne
    Boscawen, Arthur Griffith-Gray, Ernest (West Ham)Richards, Henry Charles
    Boulnois, EdmundGreene, Henry D. (Shrewb'ry)Ridley, Rt. Hn. Sir Matthew W.
    Bousfield, William RobertGreene, W. Raymond-(Cambs.)Ritchie, Rt. Hon. C. Thomson
    Brassey, AlbertGreville, Hon. RonaldRobertson, Herbert (Hackney)
    Brodrick, Rt. Hon. St. JohnGull, Sir CameronRound, James
    Bullard, Sir HarryHanbury, Rt. Hon. Robert Wm.Russell, T. W. (Tyrone)
    Burdett-Coutts, W.Harwood, GeorgeRyder, John Herbert Dudley
    Butcher, John GeorgeHazell, WalterSavory, Sir Joseph
    Campbell, J. H. M. (Dublin)Heaton, John HennikerScoble, Sir Andrew Richard
    Carlile, William WalterHermon-Hodge, Robert TrotterSeely, Charles Hilton
    Causton, Richard KnightHill, Rt. Hn. A. Staveiey (StaffsSharpe, William Edward T.
    Cavendish, V. C. W. (Derbysh.)Hoare, Ed. B. (Hampstead)Sidebotham, J. W. (Cheshire)
    Cayzer, Sir Charles WilliamHogan, James FrancisSidebottom, Wm. (Derbyshire)
    Cecil, Evelyn (Hertford, East)Houldsworth, Sir W. HenrySimeon, Sir Barrington
    Cecil, Lord Hugh (Greenwich)Howard, JosephSmith, Hon. W. F. D. (Strand)
    Chaloner, Captain R. G. W.Hozier, Hon J. Henry CecilSpencer, Ernest
    Chamberlain, Rt. Hn. J. (Birm.)Jackson, Rt. Hn. Wm. LawiesStanley, Hon Arthur (Ormskirk
    Chamberlain, J. A. (Worc'r)Jeffreys, Arthur FrederickStanley, Edw. Jas. (Somerset)
    Chaplin, Rt. Hon. HenryJenkins, Sir John JonesStanley, Lord (Lancs)
    Charrington, SpencerJessel, Capt. Herbert MortonStephens, Henry Charles
    Chelsea, ViscountJohnston, William (Belfast)Stirling-Maxwell, Sir J. M.
    Clare, Octavius LeighKeswick, WilliamStone, Sir Benjamin
    Cochrane, Hon. T. H. A. E.Kimber, HenryStrauss, Arthur
    Coghill, Douglas HarryKnowles, LeesStrutt, Hon. Charles Hedley
    Cohen, Benjamin LouisLawrence, Sir E. Durning-(CornSturt, Hon. Humphry Napier
    Collings, Rt. Hon. JesseLawrence, Wm. F. (Liverpool)Sutherland, Sir Thomas
    Colston, Chas. Edw. H. AtholeLawson, John Grant (Yorks)Talbot, Rt Hn. J. G. (Ox'dUniv.
    Cook, Fred. Lucas (Lambeth)Lea, Sir Thomas (LondonderryThornton, Percy M.
    Cooke, C. W. Radcliffe (Heref'dLeigh-Bennet, Henry CurrieTollemache, Henry James
    Cornwallis, Fiennes Stanley W.Llewelyn, Sir Dillwyn-(Sw'ns'aTomlinson, Wm. Ed. Murray
    Cox, Irwin Edward BainbridgeLockwood, Lieut. Col. A. R.Tritton, Charles Ernest
    Cripps, Charles AlfredLoder, Gerald Walter ErskineUsborne, Thomas
    Curzon, ViscountLong, Col. Chas. W. (EveshamValentia, Viscount
    Dalbiac, Col. Philip HughLong, Rt. Hn. Walter (LiverpoolWalton, J. Lawson (Leeds, S.)
    Dalkeith, Earl ofLowe, Marquis ofWanklyn, James Leslie
    Davies, Sir Horatio D. (Chath'mLowe, Francis WilliamWilliams, J. Powell-(Birm'g'm.
    Dickson-Poynder, Sir John P.Lowles, JohnWilson, J. W. (Worcestersh. N.)
    Disraeli, Coningsby RalphMacartney, W. G. EllisonWilson-Todd, Wm. H. (Yorks.)
    Donkin, Richard SimMacdona, John CummingWodehouse, Rt. Hn. E. R. (Bath
    Doughty, GeorgeMaclure, Sir John WilliamWoodhouse, Sir J. T. (Hudderf'd
    Douglas, Rt. Hon. A. Akers-M'Arthur, Chas. (Liverpool)Wortley, Rt. Hon. C. B. Stuart-
    Doxford, William TheodoreMalcolm, IanWylie, Alexander
    Duncombe, Hon. Hubert V.Manners, Lord Edw. Wm. J.Wyndham, George
    Dyke, Rt. Hn. Sir Williain HartMaple, Sir John BlundellWyndham-Quin, Major W. H.
    Fellowes, Hon. Ailwyn EdwardMellor, Colonel (Lancashire)Wyvill, Marmaduke D'Arcy
    Field, Admiral (Eastbourne)Mildmay, Francis BinghamYoung, Commander (Berks, E.
    Finch, George H.Milward, Colonel Victor
    Finlay, Sir Robert BannatyneMonk, Charles James

    TELLERS FOR THE AYES—Sir William Walrond and Mr. Anstruther.

    Firbank, Joseph ThomasMoon, Edw. Robert Pacy
    Fisher, William HayesMoore, William (Antrim, N.).

    NOES.

    Abraham, Wm. (Cork, N. E.)Healy, Timothy M. (N. Louth)Perks, Robert William
    Ashton, Thomas GairHedderwick, Thomas Charles HPickersgill, Edward Hare
    Atherley-Jones, L.Horniman, Frederick JohnProvand, Andrew Dryburgh
    Austin,' M. (Limerick, W.)Jameson, Major J. EustaceRickett, J. Compton
    Bayley, Thomas (Derbyshire)Joicey, Sir JamesRoberts, John Bryn (Eifion)
    Billson, AlfredJones, William (Carnarvonsh.)Roberts, John H. (Denbighs)
    Bolton, Thomas DollingKearley, Hudson E.Roberts, William Snowdon
    Broadhurst, HenryKilbride, DenisRunciman, Walter
    Burns, JohnLabouehere, HenrySinclair, Capt. John (Forfarsh.
    Caldwell, JamesLawson, Sir W. (Cumberland)Souttar, Robinson
    Cameron, Sir Chas. (Glasgow)Lewis, John HerbertSteadman, William Charles
    Cawley, FrederickMacaleese, DanielSullivan, Donal (Westmeath)
    Channing, Francis AllstonM'Dermott, PatrickTrevelvan, Charles Philips
    Crilly, DanielM'Leod, JohnUre, Alexander
    Curran, Thomas B. (Donegal)Maddison, Fred.Wallace, Robert
    Curran, Thomas (Sligo, S.)Maden, John HenryWarner, Thomas Courtenay T.
    Dalziel, James HenryMendl, Sigismund FerdinandWhiteley, George (Stockport)
    Dilke, Rt. Hon. Sir CharlesMorgan, W. P. (Merthyr)Whittaker, Thomas Palmer
    Dillon, JohnMoss, SamuelWilliams, John Carvell (Notts).
    Donelan, Captain A.Moulton, John FletcherWilson, J. H. (Middlesbro'gh)
    Fenwick, CharlesO'Brien, James F. X. (Cork)Yoxall, James Henry
    Gourley, Sir E. TemperleyO'Connor, J. (Wicklow, W.)

    TELLERS FOR THE NOES—Captain Norton and Mr. Pirie.

    Griffith, Ellis J.O'Connor, T. P. (Liverpool)
    Hayne, Rt. Hn. Charles Seale-Palmer, Sir Charles M. (Durham

    21. Motion made, and Question put, "That a sum, not exceeding £1,000, be granted to Her Majesty, to complete the sum necessary to defray the Charge which will come in course of payment during the year ending on the 31st March, 1900,

    AYES.

    Aird, JohnClare, Octavius LeighGibbons, J. Lloyd
    Allsopp, Hon. GeorgeCochrane, Hon. Thos. H. A. E.Gibbs, Hn. A. G. H. (City of Lond
    Anson, Sir William ReynellCoghill, Douglas HarryGibbs, Hon. Vicary (St. Albans
    Arnold, AlfredCohen, Benjamin LouisGiles, Charles Tyrrell
    Atkinson, Rt. Hon. JohnCollings, Rt. Hon. JesseGilliat, John Saunders
    Bagot, Cap. J. FitzRoyColston, Chas. E. H. AtholeGoldsworthy, Major-General
    Balfour, Rt. Hon. G. W. (LeedsCook, Fred. Lucas (Lambeth)Gordon, Hon. John Edward
    Banbury, Frederick GeorgeCooke, C. W. Radoliffe (Herefd.Gorst, Rt. Hon. Sir John Eldon
    Barnes, Frederic GorellCornwallis, Fiennes Stanley W.Goulding, Edward Alfred
    Barton, Dunbar PluuketCox, Irwin Edward BainbridgeGray, Ernest (West Ham)
    Bathurst, Hon. Allen Benj.Cripps, Charles AlfredGreene, Henry D. (Shrewsbury
    Beach, Rt. Hn. Sir M. H. (BristolCurzon, ViscountGreene, W. Raymond- (Cambs.
    Bethell, CommanderDalbiac, Colonel Philip HughGreville, Hon. Ronald
    Bhownaggree, Sir M. M.Dalkeith, Earl ofGull, Sir Cameron
    Bigwood, JamesDavies, Sir H. D. (Chatham)Hanbury, Rt. Hn. Robert Wm.
    Blundell, Colonel HenryDickson-Poynder, Sir John P.Harwood, George
    Bond, EdwardDisraeli, Coningsby RalphHeaton, John Henniker
    Boscawen, Arthur Griffith-Donkin, Richard SimHermon-Hodge, Robt. Trotter
    Boulnois, EdmundDoughty, GeorgeHill, Rt. Hn. A. Staveley (Staffs.
    Bousfield, William RobertDouglas, Rt. Hon. A. Akers-Hoare. Ed. Brodie (Hampstead)
    Brassey, AlbertDoxford. William TheodoreHouldsworth, Sir Wm. Henry
    Brodrick, Rt. Hon. St. JohnDuncombe, Hon. Hubert V.Howard, Joseph
    Bullard, Sir HarryDyke, Rt. Hon. Sir Wm. HartHozier. Hon. J. Henry Cecil
    Burdett-Coutts, W.Fellowes, Hon. Ailwyn Edw.Jackson, Rt. Hn. Wm. Lawies
    Butcher, John GeorgeField, Admiral (Eastbourne)Jeffreys, Arthur Frederick
    Campbell, J. H. M. (Dublin)Finch, George H.Jenkins, Sir John Jones
    Carlile, William WalterFinlay, Sir Robert BannatyneJessel, Capt. Herbert Merton
    Cavendish, V. C. W. (Derbysh.Firbank, Joseph ThomasJohnston, William (Belfast)
    Cayzer, Sir Charles WilliamFisher, William HayesKeswick, William
    Cecil, Evelyn (Hertford, East)Fison, Frederick WilliamKimber, Henry
    Cecil, Lord Hugh (Greenwich)FitzWygram, General Sir F.Knowles, Lees
    Chaloner, Captain R. G. W.Flannery, Sir FortescueLawrence, Sir E Durning-(Corn
    Chamberlain, Rt. Hn. J. (Birm.Flower. ErnestLawrence, Wm. F. (Liverpool)
    Chamberlain, J. Austen (Worc'rFoster, Harry S. (Suffolk)Lawson, John Grant (Yorks.)
    Chaplin, Rt. Hon. HenryFry, LewisLea, Sir Thomas (Londonderry)
    Charrington, SpencerGalloway, William JohnsonLeigh-Bennett, Henry Currie
    Chelsea, ViscountGedge, SydneyLlewelyn, Sir Dillwyn-(Sw'ns'a

    for a Grant in Aid of the Revenue of the Island of Cyprus."

    The Committee divided:—Ayes, 196; Noes, 78. (Division List, No. 342.)

    Lockwood, Lt.-Col. A. R.Northcote, Hon Sir H. StaffordStirling-Maxwell, Sir J. M.
    Loder, Gerald Walter ErskineOrr-Ewing, Charles LindsayStone, Sir Benjamin
    Long, Col. Chas. W. (Evesham)Parkes, EbenezerStrauss, Arthur
    Long, Rt. Hon. W. (Liverpool)Pierpoint, RobertStrutt, Hon. Charles Hedley
    Lowe, Marquees ofPollock, Harry FrederickSturt, Hon. Humphry Napier
    Lowe, Francis WilliamPryce-Jones, Lt.-Col. EdwardSutherland, Sir Thomas
    Lowles, JohnPurvis, RobertTalbot, Rt Hn J. G. (Oxford Uni.
    Macartney, W. G. EllisonRasch, Major Frederic CarneThornton, Percy M.
    Macdona, John CummingRichards, Henry CharlesTollemache, Henry James
    Maclure, Sir John WilliamRidley, Rt. Hn. Sir M. W.Tomlinson, Wm. Edw. Murray
    M'Arthur, Charles (Liverpool)Ritchie, Rt. Hon. C. T.Tritton, Charles Ernest
    Malcolm IanRobertson, Herbert (Hackney)Usborne, Thomas
    Manners, Ld. Edward Wm. J.Rollit, Sir Albert KayeValentia, Viscount
    Maple, Sir John BlundellRound, JamesWanklyn, James Leslie
    Mellor, Colonel (Lancashire)Russell, T. W. (Tyrone)Warde, Lieut.-Col. C. E. (Kent)
    Mildmay, Francis BinghamRyder, John Herbert DudleyWhitmore, Charles Algernon
    Milward, Colonel VictorSandys, Lieut.-Col. T. MylesWilliams, Joseph Powell-(Birm.
    Monk, Charles JamesSavory, Sir JosephWilson, J. W. (Worcestersh. N)
    Moon, Edward Robert PacyScobel, Sir Andrew RichardWilson-Todd, W. H. (Yorks)
    Moore, William (Antrim, N.)Seely, Charles HiltonWodehouse, Rt. Hn. E. R. (Bath
    More, Robt. Jasper (Shropsh.)Sharpe, William Edward T.Wortley, Rt. Hon. C. B. Stuart-
    Morrell, George HerbertSidebotham, J. W. (Cheshire)Wylie, Alexander
    Morton (A. H. A. (Deptford)SideBottom, Wm. (Derbysh.)Wyndham, George
    Murray, Rt. Hn. A. G. (Bute)Simeon, Sir BarringtonWyndham-Quin, Major W. H.
    Murray, Charles J. (Coventry)Smith, Hon. W. F. D. (Strand)Wyvill, Marmaduke D'Arcy
    Murray, Col. Wyndham (Bath)Spencer, ErnestYoung, Commander (Berks, E.
    Newdigate, Francis AlexanderStanley, Hon. A. (Ormskirk)

    TELLERS FOR THE AYES—Sir William Walrond and Mr. Anstruther.

    Nicholson, William GrahamStanley, E. James (Somerset)
    Nicol, Donald NinianStanley, Lord (Lancashire)

    NOES.

    Abraham, William (Cork, N. E.Healy, Timothy M. (N. Louth)Perks, Robert William
    Asher, AlexanderHedderwiek, Thomas C. H.Pickersgill, Edward Hare
    Ashton, Thomas GairHogan, James FrancisPirie, Duncan V.
    Atherley-Jones, L.Horniman, Frederick JohnProvand, Andrew Dryburgh
    Austin, M. (Limerick, W.)Jameson, Major J. EustaceRickett, J. Compton
    Balfour, Rt. Hon. J. B. (Clackm.Joicey, Sir JamesRoberts, John Bryn (Eifion)
    Billson, AlfredJones, W. (Carnarvonshire)Roberts, John H. (Denbighs.)
    Bolton, Thomas DollingKearley, Hudson E.Robson, William Snowdon
    Broadhurst, HenryKilbride, DenisRunciman, Walter
    Burns, JohnLawson, Sir W. (Cumberland)Sinclair, Capt. John (Forfarsh.)
    Caldwell, JamesLewis, John HerbertSouttar, Robinson
    Cameron, Sir Charles (GlasgowMacaleese, DanielSteadman, William Charles
    Causton, Richard KnightM'Dermott, PatrickSullivan, Donal (Westmeath)
    Cawley, FrederickM'Leod, JohnTrevelyan, Charles Philips
    Crilly, DanielMaddison, FredUre, Alexander
    Curran, Thomas B. (Donegal)Maden, John HenryWallace, Robert
    Curran, Thomas (Sligo, S.)Mendl, Sigismund FerdinandWalton, J. Lawson (Leeds, S.)
    Dalziel, James HenryMoore, Arthur (Londonderry)Warner, Thos. Courtenay T.
    Dlike, Rt. Hon. Sir CharlesMorgan, W. Pritchard (Merth'rWhiteley, George (Stockport)
    Dillon, JohnMorton, E. J. C. (Devonport)Whittaker, Thomas Palmer
    Donelan, Captain A.Moss, SamuelWilliams, John Carvell (Notts.
    Fenwick, CharlesMoulton, John FletcherWoodhouse, Sir J. T. (Hudderf'd
    Fitzmaurice, Lord EdmondO'Brien, James F. X. (Cork)Yoxall, James Henry
    Fowler, Rt. Hon. Sir HenryO'Connor, Jas. (Wicklow, W.)
    Gourley, Sir Edw. TemperleyO'Connor, T. P. (Liverpool)

    TELLERS FOR THE NOES—Mr. Channing and Captain Norton.

    Griffith, Ellis J.Oldroyd, Mark
    Hayne, Rt. Hon. Charles Seale-Palmer, Sir C. M. (Durham)
    Hazell, WalterPearson, Sir Weetman D.

    22. Motion made, and Question put, "That a sum, not exceeding £34,241, be granted to Her Majesty, to complete the sum necessary to defray the Charge which will come in course of payment during the year ending on the 31st day of March,

    1900, for the Subsidies to certain Telegraph Companies."

    The Committee divided:—Ayes, 197; Noes, 84. (Division List, No. 343.)

    AYES.

    Aird, JohnFisher, William HayesMorrell, George Herbert
    Allsopp, Hon. GeorgeFison, Frederick WilliamMorton, A. H. A. (Deptford)
    Anson, Sir William ReynellFitzWygram, General Sir F.Murray, Rt. Hn. A. G. (Bute)
    Arnold, AlfredFlannery, Sir FortescueMurray, Charles J. (Coventry)
    Atkinson, Rt. Hon. JohnFlower, ErnestMurray, Col. Wyndham (Bath)
    Bagot, Capt. Josceline FizRoyFoster, Harry S. (Suffolk)Newdigate, Francis Alexander
    Balfour, Rt Hn Gerald W. (LeedsFry, LewisNicholson, William Graham
    Banbury, Frederick GeorgeGalloway, Wm. JohnsonNicol, Donald Ninian
    Barnes, Frederick GorellGedge, SydneyNorthcote, Hn. Sir H. Stafford
    Barton, Dunbar PlunketGibbons, J. LloydOrr-Ewing, Charles Lindsay
    Bathurst, Hon. Allen BenjaminGibbs, Hn A.G. H. (City of Lond.Parkes, Ebenezer
    Beach, Rt. Hn. Sir M. H. (BristolGibbs, Hn. Vicary (St. Albans)Pierpoint, Robert
    Bentinck, Lord Henry C.Giles, Charles TyrrellPollock, Harry Frederick
    Bethell, CommanderGilliat, John SaundersPryce-Jones, Lt.-Col. Edward
    Bhownaggree, Sir M. M.Goldsworthy, Major-GeneralPurvis, Robert
    Bigwood, JamesGordon, Hon. John EdwardRasch, Major Frederic Carne
    Blundell, Colonel HenryGorst, Rt. Hon. Sir John E.Richards, Henry Charles
    Bond, EdwardGoschen, Rt Hn G. J. (St George'sRidley, Rt Hon Sir Matthew W.
    Boscawen, Arthur Griffith-Goulding, Edward AlfredRitchie, Rt. Hon. C. Thomson
    Boulnois, EdwardGray, Ernest (West Ham)Robertson, Herbert (Hackney)
    Bousfield, William RobertGreen, H. D. (Shrewsbury)Rollit, Sir Albert Kaye
    Brassey, AlbertGreene, W. Raymond-(Cambs.)Round, James
    Brodrick, Rt. Hon. St. JohnGreville, Hon. RonaldRussell, T. W. (Tyrone)
    Bullard, Sir HarryGull, Sir CameronRyder, John Herbert Dudley
    Burdett-Coutts, W.Hanbury, Rt. Hon. Robt. W.Sandys, Lieut.-Col. Thos Myles
    Butcher, John GeorgeHarwood, GeorgeSavory, Sir Joseph
    Campbell, J. H. M. (Dublin)Hermon-Hodge, Robert TrotterScoble, Sir Henry Richard
    Carlile, William WalterHill, Rt. Hn. A. Staveley (Staffs.Seely, Charles Hilton
    Cavendish, V. C. W. (Derbysh.)Hoare, Ed. Brodie (HampsteadSharpe, William Edward T.
    Cayzer, Sir Charles WilliamHouldsworth, Sir Wm. HenrySidebotham, J. W. (Cheshire)
    Cecil, Evelyn (Hertford, East)Howard, JosephSidebottom, William (Derbysh.
    Cecil, Lord Hugh (Greenwich)Hozier, Hon. Jas. Henry CecilSimeon, Sir Barrington
    Chaloner, Captain R. G. W.Jackson, Rt. Hon. Wm. LawiesSmith, Hon. W. F. D. (Strand)
    Chamberlain, Rt. Hn. J. (Birm.)Jeffreys, Arthur FrederickSpencer, Ernest
    Chamberlain, J. Austen (Worc'rJenkins, Sir John JonesStanley, Hon. A. (Ormskirk)
    Chaplin, Rt. Hon. HenryJessel, Capt. Herbert MertonStanley, E. Jas. (Somerset)
    Charrington, SpencerJohnston, William (Belfast)Stanley, Lord (Lancs.)
    Chelsea, ViscountKeswick, WilliamStirling-Maxwell, Sir John M.
    Clare, Octavius LeighKimber, HenryStone, Sir Benjamin
    Cochrane, Hon. Thos. H. A. E.Knowles, LeesStrauss, Arthur
    Coghill, Douglas HarryLawrence, Sir E. Durning-(CornStrutt, Hon. Charles Hedley
    Cohen, Benjamin LouisLawrence, W. F. (Liverpool)Sturt, Hon. Humphry Napier
    Collings, Rt. Hon. JesseLawson, John Grant (Yorks.)Sutherland, Sir Thomas
    Colston, Chas. Ed. H. AtholeLea, Sir Thomas(Londonderry)Talbot, Rt. Hn. J G (Oxf'd Univ.)
    Cook, Fred. Lucas (Lambeth)Leigh-Bennett, Henry CurrieThornton, Percy M.
    Cooke, C. W. R. (Hereford)Llewelyn, Sir Dillwyn-(Swans'aTollemache, Henry James
    Cornwallis, Fiennes Stanley W.Lockwood, Lieut.-Col. A. R.Tomlinson, Wm. E. Murray
    Cox, Irwin Edward BainbridgeLoder, Gerald Walter ErskineTritton, Charles Ernest
    Cripps, Charles AlfredLong, Col. Charles W. (EveshamUsborne Thomas
    Curzon, ViscountLong, Rt. Hn. Walter (L'pool)Valentia, Viscount
    Dalbiac, Colonel Philip HughLorne, Marquess ofWanklyn, James Leslie
    Dalkeith, Earl ofLowe, Francis WilliamWarde, Lt.-Col. C. E. (Kent)
    Davies, Sir Horatio D (ChathamLowles, JohnWhitmore, Charles Algernon
    Dickson-Poynder, Sir John P.Macartney, W. G. EllisonWilliams Joseph Powell-(Birm
    Disraeli, Coningsby RalphMacdona, John CummingWilson, J. W. (Worcestersh. N.
    Donkin, Richard SimMaclure, Sir John WilliamWilson-Todd, Wm. H. (Yorks)
    Doughty, GeorgeM'Arthur, Charles (Liverpool)Wodehouse, Rt. Hn. E. R. (Bath
    Douglas, Rt. Hon. A. Akers-Malcolm, IanWortley, Rt. Hn. C. B. Stuart-
    Doxford, William TheodoreManners, Lord Edward Wm. J.Wylie, Alexander
    Drucker, A.Maple, Sir John BlundellWyndham, George
    Duncombe. Hon. Hubert V.Mellor, Colonel (Lancashire)Wyndham-Quin, Maj. W. H.
    Dyke, Rt. Hn. Sir William HartMildmay, Francis BinghamWyvil, Marmaduke D'Arcy
    Fellowes, Hon. Ailwyn Edwd.Milward, Colonel VictorYoung, Commander (Berks, E.
    Field, Admiral (Eastbourne)Monk, Charles James
    Finch, George H.Moon, Edward Robert Pacy

    TELLERS FOR THE AYES—Sir William Walrond and Mr. Anstruther.

    Finlay, Sir Robert BannatyneMoore, William (Antrim, N.)
    Firbank, Joseph ThomasMore, Robt. J. (Shropshire)

    NOES.

    Abraham, William (Cork, N.E.Austin, M. (Limerick, W.)Broadhurst, Henry
    Asher, AlexanderBalfour, Rt. Hn. J. B.(Clackm.Burns, John
    Ashton, Thomas GairBillson, AlfredCaldwell, James
    Atherley-Jones, L.Bolton, Thomas DollingCameron, Sir Chas. (Glasgow)

    Causton, Richard KnightJoicey, Sir JamesPerks, Robert Willams
    Cawley, FrederickJones, Wm. (Carnarvonshire)Pickersgill, Edward Hare
    Channing, Francis AllstonKearley, Hudson, E.Provand, Andrew Dryburgh
    Crilly, DanielKilbride, DenisRickett, J. Compton
    Curran, Thomas B. (Donegal)Lawson, Sir W. (Cumberland)Roberts, John Bryn (Eifion)
    Curran, Thomas (Sligo, S.)Lewis, John HerbertRoberts John H. (Denbighs.)
    Dalziel, James HenryLloyd-George, DavidRobson, William Snowdon
    Dilke, Rt. Hon. Sir CharlesMacaleese, DanielRunciman, Walter
    Dillon, JohnM'Dermott, PatrickSinclair, Capt. John (Forfarsh.)
    Donelan, Captain A.M'Ewan, WilliamSouttar, Robinson
    Fen wick, CharlesM'Leod, JohnSteadman, William Charles
    Fitzmaurice, Lord EdmondMaddison, Fred.Sullivan, Donal (Westmeath)
    Fowler, Rt. Hon. Sir HenryMaden, John HenryTrevelyan, Charles Philips
    Gladstone, Rt. Hn. H. JohnMendl, Sigismund FerdinandUre, Alexander
    Gourley, Sir E. TemperleyMoore, Arthur (Londonderry)Wallace, Robert
    Griffith, Ellis J.Morgan, W. Pritchard (Merthr.Walton, John Lawson (Leeds, S.
    Hayne, Rt. Hn. Chas. Seale-Morton, E. J. C. (Devonport)Warner, Thomas C. T.
    Hazell, WalterMoss, SamuelWhiteley, George (Stockport)
    Healy, Timothy M. (N. Louth)Moulton, John FletcherWhittaker, Thomas Palmer
    Heaton, John HennikerO'Brien, James F. X. (Cork)Williams, John Carvell (Notts.
    Hedderwick, Thos. Chas. H.O'Connor, J. (Wicklow, W.)Woodhouse, Sir J. T. (Huddrsfld
    Hogan, James FrancisO'Connor, T. P. (Liverpool)Yoxall, James Henry
    Holland, Wm. H. (York, W. R.)Oldroyd, Mark

    TELLERS FOR THE NOES—Captain Norton and Mr. Pirie.

    Horniman, Frederick JohnPalmer, Sir Chas. M. (Durham).
    Jameson, Major J. EustacePearson, Sir Weetman D.

    Class I

    23. £4,000, Supplementary, Royal Palaces and Marlborough House.

    24. Motion made, and Question put, "That a sum, not exceeding £130,537, be granted to Her Majesty, to complete the sum necessary to defray the Charge

    AYES.

    Aird, JohnChaloner, Captain R. G. W.Fisher, William Hayes
    Allsopp, Hon. GeorgeChamberlain, Rt. Hn. J. (Birm.)Fison, Frederick William
    Anson, Sir William ReynellChamberlain, J. A. (Worc'r)FitzWygram, General Sir F.
    Arnold. AlfredChaplin, Rt. Hon. HenryFlannery, Sir Fortescue
    Asher, AlexanderCharrington, SpencerFlower, Ernest
    Atkinson, Right Hon. JohnChelsea, ViscountFoster, Harry S. (Suffolk)
    Bagot, Capt. Josceline FitzRoyClare, Octavius LeighFowler, Rt. Hon. Sir Henry
    Balfour, Rt. Hn. G. W. (Leeds)Cochrane, Hon. Thos. H. A. E.Fry, Lewis
    Balfour, Rt. Hn. J. B. (Clackm.)Coghill, Douglas HarryGalloway, William Johnson
    Banbury, Frederick GeorgeCohen, Benjamin LouisGedge, Sydney
    Barnes, Frederic GorellCollings, Rt. Hon. JesseGibbons, J. Lloyd
    Barton Dunbar PlunketColston, C. E. H. AtholeGibbs, Hn A. G. H. (City of Lond.
    Bathurst, Hon. Allen B.Cook, F. L. (Lambeth)Gibbs, Hon. Vicary (St. Albans)
    Beach, Rt. Hn. Sir M. H. (Bristol)Cooke, C. W. R. (Hereford)Giles, Charles Tyrrell
    Bentinck, Lord Henry C.Cornwallis, Fiennes Stanley, WGilliat, John Saunders
    Bethell, CommanderCox, Irwin Edw. BainbridgeGladstone, Rt. Hon. H. John.
    Bhownaggree, Sir M. M.Cripps, Charles AlfredGoldsworthy, Major-General
    Bigwood, JamesCurzon, ViscountGordon, Hon. John Edward
    Blundell, Colonel HenryDalbiac, Colonel Philip HughGorst, Rt. Hn. Sir John Eldon
    Bond, EdwardDalkeith. Earl ofGoschen, Rt Hn G J (St George's)
    Boscawen, Arthur Griffith-Davies, Sir H. D. (Chatham)Goulding, Edward Alfred
    Boulnois, EdmundDickson-Poynder, Sir J. P.Gray, Ernest (West Ham)
    Bousfield, William RobertDisraeli, Coningsby RalphGreene, Henry D. (Shrewsbury
    Brassey, AlbertDonkin, Richard SimGreene, W. Raymond-(Cambs-
    Brodrick, Rt. Hon. St. JohnDoughty, GeorgeGreville, Hon. Ronald
    Bullard, Sir HarryDouglas, Rt. Hon. A. Akers-Gull, Sir Cameron
    Burdett-Coutts, W.Doxford, William TheodoreHanbury, Rt. Hon. R. W.
    Butcher, John GeorgeDrucker, A.Harwood, George
    Campbell, J. H. M. (Dublin)Duncombe, Hon. Hubert V.Heaton, John Henniker
    Carlile, William WalterDyke, Rt. Hon. Sir W. HartHermon-Hodge, Robt. Trotter
    Causton, Richard KnightFellowes, Hon. Ailywn Edw.Hill, Rt. Hn. A. Staveley (Staffs.
    Cavendish, V. C. W. (Derbysh.)Field, Admiral (Eastbourne)Hoare, Edw Brodie (Hampstead
    Cayzer, Sir Charles WilliamFinch, George H.Houldsworth, Sir Wm. Henry
    Cecil, E. (Hertford, East)Finlay, Sir Robert BannatyneHoward, Joseph
    Cecil, Lord H. (Greenwich)Firbank, Joseph ThomasHozier, Hn. James Henry Cecil

    which will come in course of payment during the year ending on the 31st day of March, 1900, for the Survey of the United Kingdom, and for minor services connected therewith."

    The Committee divided:—Ayes, 207; Noes, 76. (Division List, No. 344.)

    Jackson, Rt. Hon. Wm. LawiesMore, Robt, Jasper (Shropshire)Stanley, Hon. A. (Ormskirk)
    Jeffreys, Arthur FrederickMorrell, George HerbertStanley, E. J. (Somerset)
    Jenkins, Sir John JonesMorton, A. H. A. (Deptford)Stanley, Lord (Lancs.)
    Jessel, Captain Herbert MertonMurray, Rt. Hon. A. G. (Bute)Stephens, Henry Charles
    Johnston, William (Belfast)Murray, Charles J. (Coventry)Stirling-Maxwell, Sir John M.
    Joicey, Sir JamesMurray, Col. Wyndham (BathStone, Sir Benjamin
    Keswick, WilliamNewdigate, Francis AlexanderStrauss, Arthur
    Kimber, HenryNicholson, William GrahamStrurtt, Hon. Charles Hedley
    Knowles, LeesNicol, Donald NinianSturt, Hon. Humphry Napier
    Lawrence, Sir E Durning-(CornNorthcote, Hon. Sir H. StaffordSutherland, Sir Thomas
    Lawrence, Wm. F. (Liverpool)Orr-Ewing, Charles LindsayTalbot, Rt. Hn. J. G. (Ox. U.)
    Lawson, John Grant (Yorks)Parkes, EbenezerThornton, Percy M.
    Lea, Sir T. (Londonderry)Pierpoint, RobertTollemache, Henry James
    Leigh-Bennett, Henry CurriePollock, Harry FrederickTomlinson, Wm. Edw. Murray
    Llewelyn, Sir D. (Swansea)Pryce-Jones, Lt.-Col. EdwardTritton, Charles Ernest
    Lockwood, Lt.-Col. A. R.Purvis, RobertUre, Alexander
    Loder, Gerald Walter ErskineRasch, Major Frederic CarneUsborne, Thomas
    Long, Col. C. W. (Evesham)Richards, Henry CharlesValentia, Viscount
    Long, Rt. Hn. W. (Liverpool)Ridley, Rt. Hn. Sir Matthew WVincent, Col. Sir C. E. Howard
    Lorne, Marquess ofRitchie, Rt. Hn. C. ThomsonWanklyn, James Leslie
    Lowe, Francis WilliamRobertson, Herbert (HackneyWarde, Lt.-Col. C. E. (Kent)
    Lowles, JohnRollit, Sir Albert KayeWhitmore, Charles Algernon
    Macartney, W. G. EllisonRound, JamesWilliams, Joseph Powell (Birm.
    Macdona, John CummingRussell, T. W. (Tyrone)Wilson, J. W (Worcestersh., N.
    Maclure, Sir John WilliamRyder, John Herbert DudleyWilson-Todd, W. H. (Yorks.)
    M'Arthur, Charles (Liverpool)Sandys, Lt.-Col. Thos. MylesWodehouse, Rt. Hn. E. R. (Bath
    Malcolm, IanSavory, Sir JosephWortley, Rt. Hon. C. B. Stuart-
    Manners, Lord Ed. Wm. J.Scoble, Sir Andrew RichardWylie, Alexander
    Maple, Sir John BlundellSeely, Charles HiltonWyndham, George
    Mellor, Colonel (Lancashire)Sharpe, William Edward T.Wyndham-Quin, Major W. H.
    Mildmay, Francis BinghamSidebotham, J. W. (Cheshire)Wyvil, Marmaduke D'Arcy
    Milward. Colonel VictorSidebottom, William (Derbysh)Young, Commander (Berks, E.)
    Monk, Charles JamesSimeon, Sir Barrington

    TELLERS FOR THE AYES.—Sir William Walrond and Mr. Anstruther.

    Moon, Edward Robert PacySmith, Hon. W. F. D. (Strand)
    Moore, William (Antrim, N.)Spencer, Ernest

    NOES.

    Abraham, William (Cork, N. E.)Horniman, Frederick JohnPickersgill, Edward Hare
    Ashton, Thomas GairJameson, Major J. EustacePirie, Duncan V.
    Atherley-Jones, L.Kearley, Hudson E.Provand, Andrew Dryburgh
    Austin, M. (Limerick, W.)Kilbride, DenisRickett, J. Compton
    Billson, AlfredLawson, Sir Wilfrid (Cumb'landRoberts John Bryn (Eifion)
    Bolton, Thomas DollingLloyd-George, DavidRoberts, John H. (Denbighs.)
    Broad hurst, HenryMacaleese, DanielRobson, William Snowdon
    Burns, JohnMacDonnell, Dr M. A (Queen'sCRunciman, Walter
    Caldwell, JamesM'Dermott, PatrickSinclair, Capt. J. (Forfarshire)
    Cameron, Sir Charles (Glasgow)M'Ewan, WilliamSouttar, Robinson
    Cawley, FrederickM'Leod, JohnSteadman, William Charles
    Channing, Francis AllstonMaddison, Fred.Sullivan, Donal (Westmeath)
    Crilly, DanielMaden, John HenryTrevelyan, Charles Philips
    Curran, Thomas B. (Donegal)Mendl, Sigismund FerdinandWallace, Robert
    Curran, Thomas (Sligo, S.)Moore, Arthur (Londonderry)Walton, John Lawson (Leeds, S.)
    Dalziel, James HenryMorgan, W. Pritchard (MerthyrWarner, Thomas Courtenay T.
    Dilke, Rt. Hon. Sir CharlesMorton, E. J. C. (Devonport)Whiteley, George (Stockport)
    Dillon, JohnMoss, SamuelWhittaker, Thomas Palmer
    Donelan, Captain A.Moulton, John FletcherWilliams, John Carvell (Notts.
    Fenwick, CharlesNorton, Capt. Cecil WilliamWilson, Joseph (Middlesbro')
    Gourley, Sir Edw. TemperleyO'Brien, James F. X. (Cork)Woodhouse, Sir J. T. (Hudders F.
    Griffith, Ellis J.O'Connor, James (Wicklow W,Yoxall, James Henry
    Hayne, Rt. Hon. Charles Seale-O'Connor, T. P. (Liverpool)
    Hazell, WalterOldroyd, Mark

    TELLERS FOR THE NOES—Mr. Herbert Lewis and Mr. William Jones.

    Healy, Timothy M. (N. Louth)Palmer, Sir Chas. M. (Durham
    Hedderwick, Thomas Charles HPearson, Sir Weetman D.
    Holland, Wm. H. (York, W. R.)Perks, Robert William

    25. Motion made, and Question put, "That a sum, not exceeding £17,641 (including a Supplementary sum of£13,000), be granted to Her Majesty, to complete the sum necessary to defray the Charge which will come in course of payment during the year ending on the 31st day of March, 1900, for the Erection,

    Repairs, and Maintenance of Public Buildings in Ireland, for the Maintenance of certain Parks and Public Works, and for the Maintenance of Drainage Works on the River Shannon."

    The Committee divided:—Ayes, 196; Noes, 81. (Division List, No. 345.)

    AYES.

    Aird, JohnFisher, William HayesMurray, Rt. Hn. A. G. (Bute)
    Allsopp, Hon. GeorgeFison, Frederick WilliamMurray, Charles J. (Coventry)
    Anson, Sir William ReynellFitz Wygram, General Sir F.Murray, Col. Wyndham (Bath)
    Arnold, AlfredFlannery, Sir FortescueNewdigate, Francis Alex.
    Atkinson, Right Hon. JohnFlower, ErnestNicholson, William Graham
    Bagot, Capt. Josceline FitzRoyFoster, Harry S. (Suffolk)Nicol, Donald Ninian
    Balfour, Rt. Hon Grld W. (LeedsFry, LewisNorthcote, Hon. Sir H. Stafford
    Banbury, Frederick GeorgeGalloway, William JohnsonOrr-Ewing, Charles Lindsay
    Barnes, Frederic GorellGedge, SydneyParkes, Ebenezer
    Barton, Dunbar PlunketGibbons, J. LloydPierpoint, Robert
    Bathurst, Hon. A. BenjaminGibbs, Hn. A. G. H. (City of Lon.Pollock, Harry Frederick
    Beach, Rt. Hn. Sir M. H. (Bristol)Gibbs, Hon. Vicary (St. Albans)Pryce-Jones, Lt.-Col. Edward
    Bentinck, Lord Henry C.Giles, Charles TyrrellPurvis, Robert
    Bethell, CommanderGilliat, John SaundersRasch, Major Frederic Carne
    Bhownaggree, Sir M. M.Goldsworthy, Major-GeneralRichards, Henry Charles
    Bigwood, JamesGordon, Hon. John EdwardRidley, Rt Hon Sir Matthew W.
    Blundell, Colonel HenryGorst, Rt. Hon. Sir J. EldonRitchie, Rt. Hon. Charles T.
    Bond, EdwardGoschen, Rt Hn G J (St George's)Robertson, Herbert (Hackney)
    Boscawen, Arthur Griffth-Goulding, Edward AlfredRollitt, Sir Albert Kaye
    Boulnois, EdmundGray, Ernest (West Ham)Round, James
    Bousfield, William RobertGreene, H. D. (Shrewsbury)Russell, T. W. (Tyrone)
    Brassey, AlbertGreene, W. Raymond-(Cambs.Ryder, John Herbert Dudley
    Brodrick, Rt. Hon. St. JohnGreville, Hon. RonaldSandys, Lieut-Col. Thomas M.
    Bullard, Sir HarryGull, Sir CameronSavory, Sir Joseph
    Burdett-Coutts, W.Hanbury, Rt. Hn. Robert Wm.Scoble, Sir Andrew Richard
    Butcher, John GeorgeHermon-Hodge, Rbt. TrotterSeeley, Charles Hilton
    Campbell, J. H. M. (Dublin)Hill, Rt. Hn. A. Staveley (StaffsSharpe, William Edward T.
    Carlile, William WalterHoare, Edw. Brodie (Hampstd.Sidebotham, J. W. (Cheshire)
    Cavendish, V. C. W. (Derbysh.)Houldsworth, Sir Wm. HenrySidebottom, William (Derbys.
    Cayzer, Sir Charles WilliamHoward, JosephSimeon, Sir Barrington
    Cecil, Evelyn (Hertford, East)Hozier, Hon. J. Henry CecilSmith, Hon. W. F. D. (Strand)
    Cecil, Lord Hugh (Greenwich)Jackson, Rt. Hon. Wm. LawiesSpencer, Ernest
    Chaloner, Captain R. G. W.Jeffreys, Arthur FrederickStanley, Hon. A. (Ormskirk)
    Chamberlain, Rt. Hon. J.(Birm.Jenkins, Sir John JonesStanley, Edw. Jas. (Somerset)
    Chamberlain, J. A. (Worc'r)Jessel, Capt. Herbert MertonStanley, Lord (Lancs.)
    Chaplin, Rt. Hon. HenryJohnston, William (Belfast)Stephens, Henry Charles
    Charrington, SpencerKeswick, WilliamStirling-Maxwell, Sir John M.
    Chelsea, ViscountKimber, HenryStone, Sir Benjamin
    Clare, Octavius LeighKnowles, LeesStrauss, Arthur
    Cochrane, Hon. T. H. A. E.Lawrence, Sir E. Durning-(CornStrutt, Hon. Charles Hedley
    Coghill, Douglas HarryLawrence, Wm. F. (LiverpoolSturt, Hon. Humphry Napier
    Cohen, Benjamin LouisLawson, John Grant (Yorks)Sutherland, Sir Thomas
    Collings, Rt. Hon. JesseLea, Sir Thos. (Londonderry)Talbot, Rt. Hn. J. G. (Ox. Univ.)
    Colston, Chas. Edw. H. AtholeLeigh-Bennett, Henry CurrieThornton, Percy M.
    Cook, Fred. Lucas (Lambeth)Llewelyn, Sir Dillwyn-(Sw'nseaTollemache, Henry James
    Cooke, C. W.R. (Hereford)Lockwood, Lt.-Col. A. R.Tomlinson, Wm. E. Murray
    Corwallis, Fiennes Stanley W.Loder, Gerald W. ErskineTritton, Charles Ernest
    Cox, Irwin Edward BainbridgeLong, Col. C. W. (Evesham)Usborne, Thomas
    Cripps, Charles AlfredLong, Rt. Hn Walter (LiverpoolValentia, Viscount
    Curzon, ViscountLorne, Marquess ofVincent, Col. Sir C. E. Howard
    Dalbiac, Colonel Philip HughLowe, Francis WilliamWanklyn, James Leslie
    Dalkeith, Earl ofLowles, JohnWarde, Lieut.-Col. C. E.(Kent)
    Davies, Sir H. D. (Chatham)Macartney, W. G. EllisonWhitmore, Charles Algernon
    Dickson-Poynder, Sir John P.Macdona, John CummingWilliams, J. Powell-(Birm.)
    Disraeli, Coningsby RalphMaclure, Sir John WilliamWilson, J. W. (Worcestersh. N.
    Donkin, Richard SimM'Arthur, Charles (Liverpool)Wilson-Todd, Wm. H. (Yorks.)
    Doughty, GeorgeMalcolm, IanWodehouse, Rt. Hn. E. R. (Bath
    Douglas, Rt. Hon. A. Akers-Maple, Sir John BlundellWortley, Rt. Hon. C. B. Stuart-
    Doxford, William TheodoreMellor, Colonel (Lancashire)Wylie, Alexander
    Drucker, A.Mildmay, Francis BinghamWyndham, George
    Duncombe, Hon. Hubert V.Milward, Colonel VictorWyndham-Quin, Major W. H.
    Dyke, Rt. Hn. Sir William HartMonk, Charles JamesWyvill, Marmaduke D'Arcy
    Fellowes, Hon. Ailwyn Edw.Moon, Edward Robert PacyYoung; Commander (Berks, E.)
    Field, Admiral (Eastbourne)Moore, William (Antrim, N.)
    Finch, George H.More, Robert.(Shropshire)

    TELLERS FOR THE AYES

    Finlay, Sir Robert BannatyneMorrell, George HerbertSir William Walrond and Mr. Anstruther.
    Firbank, Joseph ThomasMorton, A. H. A. (Deptford)

    NOES.

    Abraham, Wm. (Cork, N.E.)Atherley-Jones, L.Billson, Alfred
    Asher, AlexanderAustin, M. (Limerick, W.)Bolton, Thomas Dolling
    Ashton, Thomas GairBalfour, Rt Hn. J. Blair (ClackmBroadhurst, Henry

    Burns, JohnKearley, Hudson E.Pickersgill, Edward Hare
    Caldwell, JamesKilbride, DenisPirie, Duncan V.
    Cameron, Sir Charles (Gl'sg'w)Lawson, Sir W. (Cumberland)Provand, Andrew Dryburgh
    Cawley, FrederickLewis, John HerbertRickett, J. Compton
    Channing, Francis AllstonLloyd-George, DavidRoberts, John Bryn (Eifion)
    Crilly, DanielMacaleese, DanielRoberts, J. H. (Denbighsh.)
    Curran, Thomas B. (Donegal)MacDonnell, Dr. M A (Queen'sCRobson, William Snowdon
    Curran, Thomas (Sligo, S.)M'Dermott, PatrickRunciman, Walter
    Dalziel, James HenryM'Ewan, WilliamSinclair, Capt. J. (Forfarshire)
    Dilke, Rt. Hon. Sir CharlesM'Leod, JohnSouttar, Robinson
    Dillon, JohnMaddison, Fred.Steadman, William Charles
    Fenwick, CharlesMaden, John HenryTrevelyan, Charles Phillips
    Fowler, Rt. Hon. Sir HenryMendl, Sigismund FerdinandUre, Alexander
    Gourley, Sir Edw. TemperleyMorgan, W. Pritchard (Merth.)Wallace, Robert
    Griffith, Ellis J.Morton, Edw. J. C.(Devonport)Walton, J. Lawson (Leeds, S.)
    Harwood, GeorgeMoss, SamuelWarner, Thos. Courtenay T.
    Hayne, Rt. Hn. Chas. Seale-Moulton, John FletcherWhiteley, George (Stockport)
    Hazell, WalterNorton, Capt. Cecil WilliamWhittaker, Thomas Palmer
    Healy, Timothy M. (N. Louth)O'Brien, James F. X. (Cork)Williams, J. Carvell (Notts.)
    Hedderwick, Thomas C. H.O'Connor, Arthur (Donegal)Wilson, J. H. (Middlesbrough)
    Holland, W. H. (York, W. R.)O'Connor, James (Wicklow, W.Woodhouse, Sir JT. (Hudd'field
    Horniman, Frederick JohnO'Connor, T. P. (Liverpool)Yoxall, James Henry
    Jameson, Major J. EustaceOldroyd, Mark

    TELLERS FOR THE NOES—Captain Donelan and Mr. Donal Sullivan.

    Joicey, Sir JamesPalmer, Sir C. M. (Durham)
    Jones, William (Carnarvonsh.)Perks, Robert William

    Class Ii

    26. Motion made, and Question put, That a sum, not exceeding £6,099, be granted to Her Majesty, to complete the sum necessary to defray the Charge which will come in course of payment during

    AYES.

    Aird, JohnCohen, Benjamin LouisGilliat, John Saunders
    Allsopp, Hon. GeorgeCollings, Rt. Hon. JesseGoldsworthy, Major General
    Anson, Sir William ReynellColston, Chas. Edw. H. AtholeGordon, Hon. John Edward
    Arnold, AlfredCook, Fred Lucas (Lambeth)Gorst, Rt. Hn. Sir John Eldon
    Atkinson, Right Hon. JohnCooke, C. W. R. (Hereford)Goschen, Rt. Hn. G. J. (St. Geo's)
    Bagot, Capt. J. FitzRoyCornwallis, Fiennes Stanley W.Goulding, Edward Alfred
    Balfour, Rt. Hn. G. W. (Leeds)Cox, Irwin Edward BainbridgeGray, Ernest (West Ham)
    Banbury, Frederick GeorgeCripps, Charles AlfredGreene, H. D. (Shrewsbury)
    Barnes, Frederic GorellCurzon, ViscountGreene, W. Raymond-(Cambs.
    Barton, Dunbar PlunketDalbiac, Col. Philip HughGreville, Hon. Ronald
    Bathurst, Hon. A. BenjaminDalkeith, Earl ofGull, Sir Cameron
    Beach, Rt. Hn. Sir M. H. (BristolDavies, Sir H. D. (Chatham)Hanbury, Rt. Hon. Rbt. Wm.
    Bentinck, Lord Henry C.Dickson-Poynder, Sir John P.Hermon-Hodge, R. Trotter
    Bethell, CommanderDisraeli, Coningsby RalphHill, Rt Hon A Staveley (Staffs)
    Bhownaggree, Sir M. M.Donkin, Richard SimHoare, E. B. (Hampstead)
    Bigwood, JamesDoughty, GeorgeHouldsworth, Sir Wm. H.
    Blundell, Colonel HenryDouglas, Rt. Hon. A. Akers-Howard, Joseph
    Boscawen, Arthur Griffith-Doxford, William TheodoreHozier, Hon. J. H. Cecil
    Boulnois, EdmundDrucker, A.Jackson, Rt. Hn. Wm. Lawies
    Bousfield, William RobertDuncombe, Hon. Hubert V.Jeffreys, Arthur Frederick
    Brassey, AlbertDyke, Rt. Hon. Sir W. Hart-Jenkins, Sir John Jones
    Brodrick, Rt. Hon. St. JohnFellowes, Hon. Ailwyn EdwardJessel, Captain H. Merton
    Bullard, Sir HarryField, Admiral (Eastbourne)Johnston, William (Belfast)
    Burdett-Coutts, W.Finch, George H.Keswick, William
    Buteher, John GeorgeFinlay, Sir Robert BannatyneKimber, Henry
    Campbell, J. H. M. (Dublin)Firbank, Joseph ThomasKnowles, Lees
    Carlile, William WalterFisher, William HayesLawrence, Sir E. Durning-(Corn
    Cavendish, V.C.W.(Derbysh.)F'ison, Frederick WilliamLawrence, Wm F. (Liverpool
    Cayzer, Sir Charles WilliamFitz Wygram, General Sir F.Lawson, John Grant (Yorks.)
    Cecil, Evelyn (Hertford, East)Flannery, Sir FortescueLea, Sir Thomas (Londond'rry
    Cecil, Lord Hugh (Greenwich)Flower, ErnestLeigh-Bennett, Henry Currie
    Chaloner, Captain R. G. W.Foster, Harry S. (Suffolk)Llewelyn Sir Dillwyn-(Swansea
    Chamberlain, Rt. Hn. J. (Birm.)Fowler, Rt. Hon. Sir HenryLockwood, Lt.-Col. A. R.
    Chamberlain, J. Austen (Wor.)Fry, LewisLoder, Gerald Walter Erskine
    Chaplin, Right Hon. HenryGalloway, William JohnsonLong, Col. Charles W. (Evesham
    Charrington, SpencerGedge, SydneyLong, Rt. Hn. Walter (Liverp'l)
    Chelsea, ViscountGibbons, J. LloydLorne, Marquess of
    Clare, Octavius LeighGibbs, Hn. A. G. H. (City Lond.)Lowe, Francis William
    Cochrane, Hon. Thos. H. A. E.Gibbs, Hn. Vicary (St. AlbansLowles, John
    Coghill, Douglas HarryGiles, Charles TyrrellMacartney, W. G. Ellison

    the year ending on the 31st day of March, 1900, for the Salaries and Expenses of the Offices of the House of Lords."

    The Committee divided:—Ayes, 198; Noes, 81. (Division List, No. 346.)

    Macdona, John GummingPurvis, RobertStrutt, Hon. Charles Hedley
    Maclure, Sir John WilliamRasch, Major Frederic Carne Richard, Henry CharlesSturt, Hon. Humphry Napier
    M'Arthur, Charles (Liverpool)Richard, Henry CharlesSutherland, Sir Thomas
    Malcolm, IanRidley, Rt. Hn. Sir Matthew W.Talbot, Rt. Hon. J. G. (Oxf'd U.
    Manners, Lord Edward W. J.Ritchie, Rt. Hn. Chas. ThomsonThornton, Percy M.
    Maple, Sir John BlundellRobertson, Herbert (Hackney)Tollemache, Henry James
    Mellor, Colonel (Lancashire)Rollit, Sir Albert KayeTomlinson, Wm. Edw. Murray
    Mildmay, Francis BinghamRound, JamesTritton, Charles Ernest
    Milward, Colonel VictorRussell, T. W. (Tyrone)Usborne, Thomas
    Monk, Charles JamesRyder, John Herbert DudleyValentia, Viscount
    Moon, Edward Robert PacySandys, Lt.-Col. Thos. MylesVincent, Col. Sir C. E. Howard
    Moore, William (Antrim), N.)Savory, Sir JosephWanklyn, James Leslie
    More, R. Jasper (Shropshire)Scoble, Sir Andrew RichardWarde, Lieut.-Col. C. E. (Kent)
    Morrell, George HerbertSeely, Charles HiltonWhitmore, Charles Algernon
    Morton, Arthur H.A.(DeptfordSharpe, William Edward T.Williams, Jos. Powell-(Birm.)
    Murray Rt. Hon. A. G. (ButeSidebotham, J. W. (Cheshire)Wilson, J. W. (Worcestersh., N.
    Murray, Charles J. (Coventry)Sidebottom, Wm. (Derbysh.)Wilson-Todd, Wm. H. (Yorks.)
    Murray, Col. Wyndham(Bath)Simeon, Sir BarringtonWodehouse, Rt. Hn. E. R.(Bath.
    Newdigate, Francis AlexanderSmith, Hon. W. F. D. (Strand)Wortley, Rt.Hn. C. B. Stuart-
    Nicholson, William GrahamSpencer, ErnestWylie, Alexander
    Nicol, Donald NinianStanley, Hn. Arthur (OrmskirkWyndham, George
    Northcote, Hon. Sir H. StaffordStanley, Edw. Jas. (Somerset)Wyndham-Quin, Major W. H.
    Orr-Ewing, Charles LindsayStanley, Lord (Lancs.)Wyvill, Marmaduke D'Arcy
    Parkes, EbenezerStephens, Henry CharlesYoung, Commander (Berks, E.
    Pierpoint, RobertStirling-Maxwell, Sir John M.

    TELLERS FOR THE AYES—Sir William Walrond and Mr. Anstruther.

    Pollock, Harry FrederickStone, Sir Benjamin
    Pryce-Jones, Lt.-Col. EdwardStrauss, Arthur.

    NOES.

    Abraham, William (Cork, N. E.Healy, Timothy M. (N. Louth)Palmer, Sir Chas. M. (Durham)
    Asher, AlexanderHedderwick, Thomas Charles HPearson, Sir Weetman D.
    Ashton, Thomas GairHolland, W. H. (York, W. R.)Perks, Robert William
    Atherley.Jones, L.Horniman, Frederick JohnPickersgill, Edward Hare
    Austin, M. (Limberick, W.)Jameson, Major J. EustaceProvand, Andrew Dryburgh
    Balfour, Rt. Hon. J. B. (Clackm.Joicey, Sir JamesRickett, J. Compton
    Billson, AlfredJones, William (Carnarvonsh.)Roberts, John Bryn (Eifion)
    Bolton, Thomas DollingKearley, Hudson E.Roberts, John H. (Denbighs.)
    Broadhurst, HenryKilbride, DenisRobson, William Snowdon
    Burns, JohnLawson Sir Wilfrid (Cumb'landRunciman, Walter
    Caldwell, JamesLewis, John HerbertSinclair, Capt. John (Forfarsh.
    Cameron, Sir Charles (GlasgowLloyd-George, DavidSouttar, Robinson
    Causton, Richard KnightMacaleese, DanielSteadman, William Charles
    Cawley, FrederickMacDonnell, Dr. M. A. (Qn'sC.)Sullivan, Donal (Westmeath).
    Channing, Francis AllstonM'Dermott, PatrickTrevelyan, Charles Philips
    Crilly, DanielM'Ewan, WilliamUre, Alexander
    Curran, Thomas, B. (Donegal)M'Leod, JohnWallace, Robert
    Curran, Thomas (Sligo, S.)Maddison, Fred.Walton, J. Lawson (Leeds, S.)
    Dalziel, James HenryMaden, John HenryWarner, Thomas Courtenay T.
    Dilke, Rt. Hon. Sir CharlesMendl, Sigismund FerdinandWhiteley, (George (Stockport)
    Dillon, JohnMorgan, W. P. (Merthyr)Whittaker, Thomas Palmer
    Donelan, Captain A.Morton, Edw. J. C. (Devonport)Williams, J. Carvell (Notts.)
    Fenwick, CharlesMoss, SamuelWilson, Jos. H. (Middlesbrough
    Gourley, Sir Edward TemperleyMoulton, John FletcherWoodhouse, Sir J. T. (Huddersf.
    Griffith, Ellis J.O'Connor, Arthur (Donegal)Yoxall, James Henry
    Harwood, GeorgeO'Connor, James (Wricklow, W

    TELLERS FOR THE NOES—Captain Norton and. Mr. Pirie.

    Hayne, Rt Hn. Charles Seale-O'Connor, T. P. (Liverpool).
    Hazell, WalterOlroyd, Mark

    27. £15,269, to complete the sum for House of Commons Offices.

    28. £59,300, to complete the sum for the Treasury and Subordinate Departments.

    29. Motion made, and Question put, "That a sum, not exceeding £96,868, be granted to Her Majesty, to complete the

    AYES.

    Aird, JohnAsher, AlexanderBalfour, Rt Hn Gerald W (Leeds
    Allsopp, Hon. GeorgeAtkinson, Rt. Hon. JohnBalfour, Rt Hn J. Blair (Clackm.
    Anson, Sir William ReynellBagot, Capt. Josceline FitzRoyBanbury, Frederick George
    Arnold, AlfredBalfour, Rt. Hn. A. J. (Manch.)Barnes, Frederic Gorell

    sum necessary to defray the Charge which, will come in course of payment, during the year ending on the 31st. day of March, 1900, for the Salaries and Expenses of the Office of Her Majesty's. Secretary of State for the Home Department and Subordinate Offices."

    The Committee divided:—Ayes, 204;Noes, 74. (Division List, No. 347.)

    Barton, Dunbar PlunketFry, LewisMurray, Charles J. (Coventry)
    Bathurst, Hon. Allen B.Galloway, William JohnsonMurray, Col. Wyndham (Bath)
    Beach, Rt, Hn. Sir M. H. (BristolGedge, SydneyNewdigate, Francis Alexander
    Bentinck, Lord Henry C.Gibbons, J LloydNicholson, William Graham
    Bethell, CommanderGibbs, Hn. A. G. H. (City of Lon.Nicol, Donald Ninian
    Bhownaggree, Sir M. M.Gibbs, Hon. V. (St. Albans)Northcote, Hn. Sir H. Stafford
    Bigwood, JamesGiles, Charles TyrrellOrr-Ewing, Charles Lindsay
    Blundell, Colonel HenryGilliat, John SaundersParkes, Ebenezer
    Bond, EdwardGoldsworthy, Major-GeneralPierpoint, Robert
    Boscawen. Arthur Griffith-Gordon, Hon. John EdwardPollock, Harry Frederick
    Boulnois, EdmundGorst, Rt. Hon. Sir J. EldonPryce-Jones, Lt.-Col. Edward
    Bousfield, William RobertGoschen, Rt. Hn.G. J. (St. Geo'sPurvis, Robert
    Brassey, AlbertGoulding, Edward AlfredRasch, Major Frederic Carne
    Brodrick, Rt. Hon. St. JohnGray, Ernest (West Ham)Richards, Henry Charles
    Bullard, Sir HarryGreen, H. D. (Shrewsbury)Ridley, Rt. Hon Sir Matthew W
    Burdett-Coutts. W.Greene, W. Raymond-(Cambs.)Ritchie, Rt. Hon Chas. Thomson
    Butcher, John GeorgeGreville, Hon. RonaldRoberts, John Bryn (Eifion)
    Campbell. J. H. M. (Dublin)Gull, Sir CameronRobertson, Herbert (Hackney)
    Carlile, William WalterHanbury, Rt. Hon. R. Wm.Rollitt, Sir Albert Kaye
    Causton, Richard KnightHedderwick, Thomas C. H.Round, James
    Cavendish, V. C. W. (Derbysh.Hermon-Hodge, Robt. TrotterRussell, T. W. (Tyrone)
    Cayzer, Sir Charles WilliamHill, Rt. Hn. A. Staveley (Staffs)Ryder, John Herbert Dudley
    Cecil, Evelyn (Hertford, East)Hoare, Ed. Brodie (Hampstead)Sandys, Lieut.-Col. T. Myles
    Cecil, Lord Hugh (Greenwich)Houldsworth, Sir Wm. HenrySavory, Sir Joseph
    Chaloner, Captain R. G. W.Howard, JosephScoble, Sir Andrew Richard
    Chamberlain, J. Austen(Worc.Hozier, Hon. James H. CecilSeely, Charles Hilton
    Chaplin, Rt. Hon. HenryJackson, Rt. Hon. W. LawiesSharpe, William Edward T.
    Charrington, SpencerJeffreys, Arthur FrederickSidebotham, J. W. (Cheshire)
    Chelsea, ViscountJenkins, Sir John JonesSidebottom, Wm. (Derbyshire)
    Clare, Octavius LeighJessel, Capt. Herbert MertonSmith, Hon. W. F. D. (Strand)
    Cochrane, Hon. Thos. H. A.E.Johnston, William (Belfast)Spencer, Ernest
    Coghill, Douglas HarryJoicey, Sir JamesStanley, Hon. A. (Ormskirk)
    Cohen, Benjamin LouisKeswick, WilliamStanley, E. J. (Somerset)
    Collings, Rt. Hon. JesseKimber, HenryStanley, Lord (Lancs.)
    Colston, Chas. Edw. H. AtholeKnowles, LeesStephens, Henry Charles
    Cook, Fred. Lucas (Lambeth)Lawrence, Sir E. Durning-(CornStirling-Maxwell, Sir John M.
    Cooke, C. W. Radcliffe(Heref'd)Lawrence, Wm. F. (Liverp'l)Stone, Sir Benjamin
    Cornwallis, Fiennes Stanley W.Lawson, John Grant (Yorks.)Strauss, Arthur
    Cox, Irwin Edward BainbridgeLea, Sir Thos. (Londonderry)Strutt, Hon. Charles Hedley
    Cripps, Charles AlfredLeigh-Bennett, Henry CurrieSturt, Hon. Humphry Napier
    Curzon, ViscountLlewelyn, Sir Dillwyn-(Swans.Sutherland, Sir Thomas
    Dalbiac, Colonel Philip HughLock Wood, Lieut.-Col. A. R.Talbot, Rt Hn J.G.(Oxf'd Univ.
    Dalkeith, Earl ofLoder, Gerald Walter ErskineThornton, Percy M.
    Davies, Sir H. D. (Chatham)Long, Col. Charles W. (EveshamTollemache, Henry James
    Dickson-Poynder, Sir J. P,Long, Rt. Hn. Walter (Liver'l)Tomlinson, Wm. Edward M.
    Disraeli, Coningsby RalphLorne, Marquess ofTritton, Charles Ernest
    Donkin, Richard SimLowe, Francis WilliamUsborne, Thomas
    Doughty, GeorgeLowles, JohnValentia, Viscount
    Douglas, Rt. Hon. A. Akers-Macartney, W. G. EllisonVincent, Col. Sir C. E. Howard
    Doxford, William TheodoreMaedona, John CummingWanklyn, James Leslie
    Drucker, A.Maclure, Sir John WilliamWarde, Lieut.-Col. C. E. (Kent)
    Duncombe, Hon. Hubert V.M'Arthur, Charles (LiverpoolWhitmore, Charles Algernon
    Dyke, Rt. Hon. Sir W. HartMalcolm, IanWilliams, J. Powell-(Birm.)
    Fellowes, Hon. Ailwyn Edwd.Manners, Lord Edward W. J.Wilson,. J. W. (Worcestersh., N.
    Field, Admiral (Eastbourne)Maple, Sir John BlundellWilson-Todd, Wm. H.(Yorks.)
    Finch, George H.Mellor, Colonel (Lancashire)Wodehouse, Rt. Hn. A. R. (Bath)
    Finlay, Sir Robert BannatyneMildmay, Francis BinghamWortley, Rt. Hon. C. B. Stuart—
    Firbank, Joseph ThomasMilward, Colonel VictorWylie, Alexander
    Fisher, William HayesMonk, Charles JamesWyndham, George
    Fison, Frederick WilliamMoon, Edward Robert PacyWyndham-Quin, Major W. H.
    FitzWygram, General Sir F.Moore, William (Antrium, N.)Wyvill, Marmaduke D'Arcy
    Flannery, Sir FortescueMore, Robt. Jasper (Shropsh.)Young, Commander (Berks, E.)
    Flower, ErnestMorrell, George Herbert

    TELLERS FOR THE AYES—Sir William Walrond and Mr. Anstruther.

    Foster, Harry S. (Suffolk)Morton, Arthur H. A. (Dept'd
    Fowler, Rt. Hon. Sir HenryMurray, Rt. Hon. A. G. (Bute)

    NOES.

    Abraham, Williaim (Cork, N. E.Cameron, Sir Chas. (Glasgow)Donelan, Captain A.
    Ashton, Thomas GairCawley, FrederickFenwick, Charles
    Atherley-Jones, L.Channing, Francis AllstonGourley, Sir E. Temperley
    Austin, M. (Limerick, W.)Crilly, DanielGriffith, Ellis J.
    Billson, AlfredCurran, Thos. B. (Donegal)Harwood, George
    Bolton, Thomas DollingCurran, Thomas (Sligo, S.)Hayne, Rt. Hon. Chas. Seale—
    Broadhurst, HenryDalziel, James HenryHazell, Walter
    Burns, JohnDilke, Rt. Hon. Sir CharlesHealy, Timothy M. (N. Louth
    Caldwell, JamesDillon, JohnHolland, Wm. H. (York. W. R.

    Horniman, Frederick JohnMorton, E. J. C. (Devonport)Steadman, William Charles
    Jameson, Major J. EustaceMoss, SamuelSullivan, Donal (Westmeath)
    Jones, Wm. (Carnarvonshire)Moulton, John FletcherTrevelyan, Charles Philips
    Kearley, Hudson E.O'Connor, Arthur (Donegal)Ure, Alexander
    Kilbride, DenisO'Connor, J. (Wicklow, W.)Wallace, Robert
    Lawson, Sir Wilfrid(Cumb'landO'Connor, T. P. (Liverpool)Walton, J. Lawson (Leeds, S.)
    Lewis, John HerbertOldroyd, MarkWarner, Thomas Courtenay T.
    Lloyd-George, DavidPalmer, Sir C. M. (Durham)Whiteley, George (Stockport)
    Macaleese, DanielPearson, Sir Weetman D.Whittaker, Thomas Palmer
    MacDonnell, Dr. M. A. (Q'n's C.Pickersgill, Edward HareWilliams, J. Carvell (Notts.)
    M'Dermott, PatrickProvand, Andrew DryburghWilson, J. H. (Middlesbrough)
    M'Ewan, WilliamRickett, J. ComptonWoodhouse, Sir J. T. (Huddrstld
    M'Leod, JohnRoberts, John H. (Denbighs)Yoxall, James Henry
    Maddison, Fred.Robson, William Snowdon
    Maden, John HenryRunciman, Walter

    TELLERS FOR THE NOES.—Captain Norton and Mr. Pirie.

    Mendl, Sigismund FerdinandSinclair, Capt. J. (Forfarshire
    Morgan, W. P. (Merthyr)Souttar, Robinson

    30. Motion made, and Question put, "That a sum, not exceeding £49,482, be granted to Her Majesty, to complete the sum necessary to defray the Charge which will come in course of payment during the year ending on the 31st day

    AYES.

    Aird, JohnCripps, Charles AlfredHouldsworth, Sir William H.
    Allsopp, Hon. GeorgeCurzon, ViscountHoward, Joseph
    Anson, Sir William ReynellDalbiac, Colonel Philip HughHozier, Hon. James H. Cecil
    Arnold, AlfredDalkeith, Karl ofJackson, Rt. Hon. Wm. Lawies
    Atkinson, Rt. Hon. JohnDavies, Sir Horatio D (Chath'mJeffreys, Arthur Frederick
    Bagot, Capt. Josceline FitzRoyDickson-Poynder, Sir John P.Jenkins, Sir John Jones
    Balfour, Rt. Hn. A. J. (Manch'r)Disraeli, Coningsby RalphJessell, Capt. Herbert Merton
    Balfour, Rt. Hn. G. W. (Leeds)Donkin, Richard SimJohnston, William (Belfast)
    Banbury, Frederick GeorgeDoughty, GeorgeKeswick, William
    Barnes, Frederic GorellDouglas, Rt. Hon. A. Akers-Kimber, Henry
    Barton, Dunbar PlunketDoxford, William TheodoreKnowles, Lees
    Bathurst. Hon. A. BenjaminDrucker, A.Lawrence, Sir E. Durning-(Corn
    Beach, Rt. Hn. Sir M. H. (BristolDuncombe, Hon. Hubert V.Lawrence, Wm. F. (Liverpool)
    Bentinck, Lord Henry C.Dyke, Rt. Hon. Sir W. HartLawson, John Grant (Yorks.)
    Bethell, CommanderFellowes, Hon. Ailwyn Edw.Lea, Sir Thomas (Loudonderry)
    Bhownaggree, Sir M. M.Field, Admiral (Eastbourne)Leigh-Bennett, Henry Currie
    Bigwood, JamesFinch, George H.Llewelyn. Sir Dillwyn-(Swans'a
    Blundell, Colonel HenryFinlay, Sir Robert BannatyneLockwood, Lt.-Col. A. R.
    Bond, EdwardFirbank, Joseph ThomasLoder, Gerald Walter Erskine
    Boseawen, Arthur Griffith-Fisher, William HayesLong, Col. Chas. W.(Evesham)
    Boulnois, EdmundFison, Frederick WilliamLong, Rt. Hn. Walter (Liverpool
    Boasfield, William RobertFitzWygram, General Sir F.Lorne, Marquess of
    Brassey, AlbertFlannery, Sir FortescueLowe, Francis William
    Brodrick, Rt. Hon. St. JohnFlower. ErnestLowles, John
    Bullird, Sir HarryFoster, Harry S. (Suffolk)Macartney, W. G. Ellison
    Burdett-Coutts, W.Fowler, Rt. Hon. Sir HenryMacdona, John cumming
    Butcher, John GeorgeFry, LewisMaclure, Sir John William
    Campbell, J. H. M. (Dublin)Galloway, William JohnsonM'Arthur, Charles (Liverpool)
    Carlile, William WalterGedge, SydneyMalcolm, Ian
    Cavendish, V. C. W. (Derbysh.)Gibbons, J. LloydManners, Lord Edward Wm. J.
    Cayzer, Sir Charles WilliamGibbs, Hn. A. G. H. (City of Lon.Maple, Sir John Blundell
    Cecil, Evelyn (Hertford, E.)Gibbs, Hn. Vicary (St. AlbansMellor, Colonel (Lancashire)
    Cecil, Lord Hugh (Greenwich)Giles, Charles TyrrellMildmay, Francis Bingham
    Chaloner, Captain R. G. W.Gilliat, John SaundersMonk, Charles James
    Chamberlain, J. Austen(Worc'rGoldsworthy, Major-GeneralMoon, Edward Robert Pacy
    Chaplin, Rt. Hon. HenryGordon, Hon. John EdwardMoore, William (Antrim, N.)
    Charrington, SpencerGorst, Rt. Hon. Sir J. EldonMore, Rbt. Jasper (Shropshire)
    Chelsea, ViscountGoschen, Rt. Hn. G. J. (St. Geo'sMorrell, George Herbert
    Clare, Octavius LeighGoulding, Edward AlfredMorton, A. H. A. (Deptford)
    Cochrane, Hn. T. H. A. E.Gray, Ernest (West Ham)Murray, Rt. Hon. A. G. (Bute)
    Coghill, Douglas, HarryGreen, H. D. (Shrewsbury)Murray, Chas. J. (Coventry)
    Cohen, Benjamin LouisGreene, W. Raymond-(Cambs.)Murray, Col. Wyndham (Bath)
    Collings, Rt. Hon. JesseGreville, Hon. RonaldNewdigate, Francis Alexander
    Colston, Chas. Edw. H. AtholeGull, Sir CameronNicholson, William Graham
    Cook, Fred. Lucas (Lambeth)Hanbury, Rt Hon. R. Wm.Nicol, Donald Ninian
    Cooke, C.W. Radcliffe (Heref'dHermon-Hodge, Robt. TrotterNorthcote, Hon. Sir H. Stafford
    Cornwallis, Fiennes Stanley WHill. Rt. Hn. A. Staveley (StaffsOrr-Ewing Charles Lindsay
    Cox, lrwin Edw. BainbridgeHoare, Ed. Brodie (HampsteadParkes, Ebenezer

    of March, 1900, for the Salaries and Expenses of the Department of Her Majesty's Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs."

    The Committee divided:—Ayes, 197; Noes, 77. (Division List, No. 348.)

    Pierpoint, RobertSidebottom, William (Derbys.)Valentia, Viscount
    Pollock, Harry FrederickSimeon, Sir BarringtonVincent, Col. Sir C. E. H.
    Pryce-Jones, Lt.-Col. EdwardSmith, Hon. W. F. D. (Strand)Wanklyn, James Leslie
    Purvis, RobertSpencer, ErnestWarde, Lt.-Col. C.E. (Kent)
    Rasch, Major Frederick CarneStanley, Edward J. (Somerset)Whitmore, Charles Algernon
    Richards, Henry CharlesStanley, Lord (Lancs.)Williams, J. Powell-(Birm.)
    Ridley, Rt. Hon. Sir M. W.Stephens, Henry CharlesWilson, J. W. (Worcestersh. N.)
    Ritchie, Rt. Hon. C. ThomsonStirling-Maxwell, Sir J. M.Wilson-Todd, Wm. H. (Yorks.)
    Robertson. Herbert (Hackney)Stone, Sir BenjaminWodehouse, Rt. Hn. E. R. (Bath
    Rollit, Sir Albert KayeStrauss, ArthurWortley, Rt. Hon. C. B. Stuart-
    Round, JamesStrutt, Hon. Charles HedleyWylie, Alexander
    Russell, T. W. (Tyrone)Sturt, Hon. Humphry NapierWyndham, George
    Ryder, John Herbert DudleySutherland, Sir ThomasWyndham-Quin, Major W.H.
    Sandys, Lieut.-Col. T. MylesTalbot, Rt. Hn. J. G. (Oxf. Univ.Wyvill, Marmaduke D'Arcy
    Savory, Sir JosephThornton, Percy M.Young, Commander (Berks, E.)
    Scobel, Sir Andrew RichardTollemache, Henry James
    Seely, Charles HiltonTomlinson, W. E. Murray

    TELLERS FOR THE AYES—Sir William Walrond and Mr. Anstruther.

    Sharpe, William Edward T.Tritton, Charles Ernest
    Sidebotham, J. W. (Cheshire)Usborne, Thomas.

    NOES.

    Abraham, Wm. (Cork, N. E.)Hedderwick, Thomas C. H.Palmer, Sir C. M. (Durham)
    Asher, AlexanderHolland, W. H. (York, W.R.)Pearson, Sir Weetman D.
    Ashton, Thomas GairHorniman, Frederick JohnPickersgill, Edward Hare
    Atherley-Jones, L.Jameson, Major J. EustaceRickett, J. Compton
    Austin, M. (Limerick, W.)Joicey, Sir JamesRoberts, John Bryn (Eifion)
    Balfour. Rt Hn J. Blair (Clackm.Jones, William (Carnarvonsh.Roberts, John H. (Denbighsh)
    Billson, AlfredKearley, Hudson E.Robson, William (Snowdon)
    Bolton, Thomas DollingKilbride, DenisRunciman, Walter
    Broadhurst, HenryLawson, Sir Wilfrid (Cumb'l'dSinclair, Capt. J. (Forfarshire
    Burns, JohnLewis, John HerbertSouttar, Robinson
    Caldwell, JamesMacaleese, DanielSteadman, William Charles
    Cameron, Sir Charles (Glasgow)MacDonnell, Dr M A (Queen'sC)Sullivan, Donal (Westmeath)
    Cawley, FrederickM'Dermott, PatrickTrevelyan, Charles Philips
    Channing, Francis AllstonM'Ewan, WilliamUre, Alexander
    Crilly, DanielM'Leod, JohnWallace, Robert
    Curran, Thomas (Sligo, S.)Maddison, Fred.Walton, John Lawson (Leeds, S.
    Dalziel, James HenryMaden, John HenryWarner, Thomas Courtenay T.
    Dilke, Rt. Hon. Sir CharlesMendl, Sigismund FerdinandWhiteley, George (Stockport)
    Dillon, JohnMorgan, W. P. (Merthyr)Whittaker, Thomas Palmer
    Donelan, Captain A.Morton, E. J. C. (Devonport)Williams, John Carvell (Notts
    Fenwick, CharlesMoss, SamuelWilson, J. H. (Middlesbrough)
    Gourley, Sir E. TemperleyMoulton, John FletcherWoodhouse, Sir J T (Huddersf'd
    Harwood, GeorgeO'Connor, Arthur (Donegal)Yoxall, James Henry
    Hayne, Rt. Hon. Chas. Seale-O'Connor, James (Wicklow, W.

    TELLERS FOR THE NOES—Captain Norton and Mr. Pirie.

    Hazell, WalterO'Connor, T. P. (Liverpool)
    Healy, Timothy M. (N. Louth)Oldroyd, Mark

    31. £64,070, to complete the sum for Mercantile Marine Services.

    32 £6, to complete the sum for the Bankruptcy Department of the Board of Trade.

    33. Motion made, and Question put "That a sum, not exceeding £28,919, be granted to Her Majesty, to complete the

    AYES.

    Aird, JohnBlundell, Colonel HenryChamberlain, J. Austen (Worc'r
    Allsopp, Hon. GeorgeBond, EdwardChaplin, Rt. Hon. Henry
    Anson, Sir William ReynellBoscawen, Arthur Griffith-Charrington, Spencer
    Arnold, AlfredBoulnois, EdmundChelsea, Viscount
    Atkinson, Rt. Hon. JohnBousfield, William RobertClare, Octavius Leigh
    Bagot, Capt. Joseline FitzRoyBrassey, AlbertCochrane, Hon. Thos. H. A. E.
    Balfour, Rt. Hon. A. J. (Manchr'Brodrick, Rt. Hon. St. JohnCoghill, Douglas Harry
    Balfour, Rt. Hn. G.W. (Leeds)Bullard, Sir HarryCohen, Benjamin Lewis
    Banbury, Frederick GeorgeBurdett-Coutts, W.Collings, Rt. Hon. Jesse
    Barnes, Frederic GorrellButcher, John GeorgeColston, Chas. Ed. H. Athole
    Barton, Dunbar PlunketCampbell, J. H. M. (Dublin)Cook, Fred. Lucas (Lambeth)
    Bathurst, Hon. Allen BenjaminCarlile, William WalterCooke, C. W. Radcliffe (Heref'd)
    Beach. Rt. Hn. Sir M. H. (BristolCavendish, V. C. W. (Derbysh.Cornwalls, Fiennes Stanley W.
    Bentinck, Lord Henry C.Cayzer, Sir Charles WilliamCox, Irwin Edward Bainbridge
    Bethell, CommanderCecil, Evelyn (Hertford, East)Cripps, Charles Alfred
    Bhownaggree, Sir M. M.Cecil, Lord Hugh (Greenwich)Curzon, Viscount
    Bigwood, JamesChaloner, Captain R. G. W.Dalbiac, Colonel Philip Hugh

    sum necessary to defray the Charge which will come in course of payment during the year ending on the 31st day of March, 1900, for the Salaries and Expenses of the Board of Agriculture, and to pay certain Grants in Aid."

    The Committee divided:—Ayes, 196; Noes, 77. (Division List, No. 349.)

    Davies, Sir H. D. (Chatham)Johnston, William (Belfast)Robertson, Herbert (Hackney)
    Dickson-Poynder, Sir John P.Keswick, WilliamRollit, Sir Albert Kaye
    Disraeli, Coningsby RalphKimber, HenryRound, James
    Donkin, Richard SimKnowles, LeesRussell, T. W. (Tyrone)
    Doughty, GeorgeLawrence, Sir E. Durning-(CornRyder, John Herbert Dudley
    Douglas, Rt. Hon. A. Akers-Lawson, John Grant (Yorks.)Sandys, Lt.-Col. Thos. Myles
    Doxford, William TheodoreLea, Sir Thomas (LondonderrySavory, Sir Joseph
    Drucker, A.Leigh-Bennett, Henry CurrieSeoble, Sir Andrew Richard
    Duncombe. Hon. Hubert V.Llewelyn, Sir Dillwyn-(Swans.Seely, Charles Hilton
    Dyke, Rt. Hn. Sir William HartLockwood, Lt.-Col. A. R.Sharpe, William Edward T.
    Fellowes, Hon. Ailwyn EdwardLoder, Gerald Walter ErskineSidebotham, J. W. (Cheshire)
    Field, Admiral (Eastbourne)Long, Col. C. W. (Evesham)Sidebottom, William (Derbysh.
    Finch, George H.Long, Rt. Hn. Walter (LiverpoolSmith, Hon. W. F. D. (Strand)
    Finlay, Sir Robert BannatyneLorne, Marquess ofSpencer, Ernest
    Firbank, Joseph ThomasLowe, Francis WilliamStanley, Hon. A. (Ormskirk
    Fisher, William HayesLowles, JohnStanley, Edward J. (Somerset)
    Fison, Frederick WilliamMacartney, W. G. EllisonStanley, Lord (Lancs.)
    FitzWygram, General Sir F.Macdona, John CummingStephens, Henry Charles
    Flannery, Sir FortescueMacIver, David (Liverpool)Stirling-Maxwell, Sir John M.
    Flower, ErnestMaclure, Sir John WilliamStone, Sir Benjamin
    Foster, Harry S. (Suffolk)M'Arthur, Charles (Liverpool)Strauss, Arthur
    Fowler, Rt. Hon. Sir HenryMalcolm, IanStrutt, Hon. Charles Hedley
    Fry, LewisManners, Lord Edward Wm. J.Sturt, Hon. H. Napier
    Galloway, William JohnsonMaple, Sir John BlundellSutherland, Sir Thomas
    Gedge, SydneyMellor, Colonel (Lancashire)Talbot, Rt. Hn. J. G. (Oxf'dU.
    Gibbons, J. LloydMildmay, Francis BinghamThornton, Percy M.
    Gibbs, Hn. A. G. H (City of Lond.Milward, Colonel VictorTolleimache, Henry James
    Gibbs, Hon. Vicary (St. AlbansMonk, Charles JamesTomlinson, Wm. Edw. Murray
    Giles, Charles TyrellMoon, Edward Robert PacyTritton, Charles Ernest
    Gilliat, John SaundersMore, Rbt. Jasper (Shropshire)Usborne, Thomas
    Goldsworthy, Major-GeneralMorrell, George HerbertValentia, Viscount
    Gordon, Hon. John EdwardMorton, A. H. A. (Deptford)Vincent, Col. Sir C. E. Howard
    Gorst, Rt. Hon. Sir John EldonMurray, Rt. Hn. A. G. (Bute)Wanklyn, James Leslie
    Goschen, Rt Hn G. J. (St George'sMurray, Charles J. (Coventry)Warde. Lt.-Col. C. E. (Kent)
    Goulding, Edward AlfredMurray, Col. Wyndham (BathWhitmore, Charles Algernon
    Gray, Ernest (West Ham)Newdigate, Francis AlexanderWilliams, J. Powell-(Birm.)
    Greene, Henry D.(Shrewsbury)Nicholson, William GrahamWilson, J. W. (Worcestersh. N.)
    Greene, W. Raymond-(Cambs.)Nicol, Donald NinianWilson-Todd, Wm. H. (Yorks.)
    Greville, Hon. RonaldNorthcote, Hn. Sir H. StaffordWodehouse, Rt. Hn. E. R. (Bath
    Gull, Sir CameronOrr-Ewing, Charles LindsayWortley, Rt. Hon. C. B. Stuart-
    Hanbury, Rt. Hon. Robert Wm.Palmer, Sir C. M. (Durham)Wylie, Alexander
    Hermon-Hodge, Robert TrotterParkes, EbenezerWyndham, George
    Hill, Rt. Hn. A. Staveley (Staffs.Pierpoint, RobertWyndham-Quin, Major W. H.
    Houldsworth, Sir Wm. HenryPollock, Harry FrederickWyvill, Marmaduke D'Arcy
    Howard, JosephPryce- Jones, Lt.-Col. EdwardYoung, Commander (Berks, E.)
    Hozier, Hon. James Henry CecilPurvis, Robert
    Jackson, Rt. Hon. Wm. LawiesRasch, Major Frederic Carne

    TELLERS FOR THE AYES—Sir William Walrond and Mr. Anstruther.

    Jeffreys, Arthur FrederickRichards, Henry Charles
    Jenkins, Sir John JonesRidley, Rt, Hn. Sir Matthew W.
    Jessel. Capt. Herbert MertonRitchie, Rt. Hn. Chas. Thomson

    NOES.

    Abraham, William (Cork, N. E.)Hedderwick, Thomas Chas. H.O'Connor, T. P. (Liverpool)
    Asher, AlexanderHolland, Wm. H. (York, W.R.)Pearson, Sir Weetman D.
    Ashton, Thomas GairHorniman, Frederick, JohnPickersgill, Edward Hare
    Atherley-Jones, L.Jameson, Major J. EustacePirie, Duncan V.
    Austin, M. (Limerick, W.)Joicey, Sir JamesRickett, J. Compton
    Balfour, Rt Hn J Blair (Clackm.Jones, William (Carnarvonsh.Roberts, John Bryn (Eifion)
    Billson, AlfredKearley, Hudson E.Roberts, John H. (Denbighs.)
    Bolton, Thomas DollingKilbride, DenisRobson, William Snowdon
    Broadhurst, HenryLawson, Sir Wilfrid (Cumb'landRunciman, Walter
    Burns, JohnLewis, John HerbertSinclair, Capt. J.(Forfarshire)
    Caldwell, JamesLloyd-George, DavidSouttar, Robinson
    Cameron, Sir Charles (GlasgowMacaleese, DanielSteadman, William Charles
    Cawley, FrederickMacDonnell, Dr. M. A. (Qn's. C.)Sullivan, Donal (Westmeath)
    Crilly, DanielM'Dermott, PatrickTrevelyan, Charles Philips
    Curran, Thomas (Sligo, S.)M'Ewan, WilliamUre, Alexander
    Dalziel, James HenryM'Leod, JohnWallace, Robert
    Dilke, Rt. Hon. Sir CharlesMaddison, Fred.Walton, J. Lawson (Leeds, S.)
    Dillon, JohnMaden, John HenryWhiteley, George (Stockport)
    Donelan, Captain A.Mendl, Sigismund FerdinandWhittaker, Thomas Palmer
    Fenwick, CharlesMorgan, W. P. (Merthyr)Williams, John C. (Notts.)
    Gourley, Sir Edward TemperleyMorton, E. J. C. (Devonport)Wilson, J. H. (Middlesbrough)
    Griffith, Ellis J.Moss, SamuelWood house, Sir J. T. (Huddsfld)
    Harwood, GeorgeMoulton, John FletcherYoxall, James Henry
    Hayne, Rt. Hon. Chas. Seale-Norton, Capt. Cecil William

    TELLERS FOR THE NOES.—Mr. Channing and Mr Warner.

    Hazell, WalterO'Connor, Arthur (Donegal)
    Healy, Timothy M. (N. Louth)O'Connor, J. (Wicklow, W.)

    34. Motion made, and Question put, "That a sum, not exceeding £132,732, be granted to Her Majesty, to complete the sum necessary to defray the Charge which will come in course of payment during the

    AYES.

    Allsopp, Hon. GeorgeFisher, William HayesMorrell, George Herbert
    Anson, Sir William ReynellFison, Frederick WilliamMorton, Arthur H. A. (Deptford
    Arnold, AlfredFitzWygram, General Sir F.Murray, Rt. Hn. A. G. (Bute)
    Atkinson, Rt. Hon. JohnFlannery, Sir FortescueMurray, Charles J. (Coventry)
    Bagot, Capt. Josceline FitzRoyFlower, ErnestMurray, Col Wyndham (Bath)
    Balfour, Rt. Hn. A. J. (Manch'r)Foster, Harry S. (Suffolk)Newdigate, Francis Alexander
    Balfour, Rt. Hn. G. W. (Leeds)Fry, LewisNicholson, William Graham
    Balfour, Rt. Hn. J. B. (Clackm.)Galloway, William JohnsonNicol, Donald Ninian
    Banbury, Frederick GeorgeGedge, SydneyNorthcote, Hon. Sir H. Stafford
    Barnes, Frederic GorellGibbons, J. LloydOrr-Ewing, Charles Lindsay
    Barton, Dunbar PlunketGibbs, Hn A. G. H. (Cy. of Lond.)Parkes, Ebenezer
    Bathurst, Hn. Allen BenjaminGibbs, Hon. Vicary (St. AlbansPierpoint, Robert
    Beach, Rt. Hn. Sir M. H. (Brstl.)Giles, Charles TyrrellPollock, Harry Frederick
    Bentinck, Lord Henry C.Gilliat, John SaundersPryce-Jones, Lt.-Col. Edward
    Bethell, CommanderGoldsworthy, Major-GeneralPurvis, Robert
    Bhownaggree, Sir M. M.Gordon, Hon. John EdwardRasch, Major Frederic Carne
    Bigwood, JamesGorst, Rt. Hn. Sir John EldonRidley, Rt. Hon. Sir M. W.
    Blundell, Colonel HenryGoschen, Rt. Hn. G. J. (St. Geo's)Ritchie, Rt. Hn. Chas. Thomson
    Bond, EdwardGoulding, Edward AlfredRobertson, Herbert (Hackney)
    Boscawen, Arthur Griffith-Gray, Ernest (West Ham)Rollit, Sir Albert Kaye
    Boulnois, EdmundGreene, Henry D. (ShrewsburyRound, James
    Bousfield, William RobertGreene, W. Raymond- (Cambs.)Russell, T. W. (Tyrone)
    Brassey, AlbertGreville, Hon. RonaldRyder, John Herbert Dudley
    Brodrick, Rt. Hon. St. JohnGull, Sir CameronSandys, Lieut.-Col. T. Myles
    Bullard, Sir HarryHanbury, Rt. Hn. Robt. Wm.Savory, Sir Joseph
    Burdett-Coutts. W.Hayne, Rt. Hn. Charles Seale-Scoble, Sir Andrew Richard
    Butcher, John GeorgeHermon-Hodge, R. TrotterSeely, Charles Hilton
    Campbell, J. H. M. (Dublin)Hill, Rt. Hon. A. S. (Staffs.)Sharpe, William Edward T.
    Carlile, William WalterHouldsworth. Sir Wm. HenrySidebotham, J. W. (Cheshire)
    Causton, Richard KnightHoward, JosephSidebottom, Wm. (Derbysh.)
    Cavendish, V. C. W. (Derbys.Hozier, Hon. James Hy. CecilSimeon, Sir Barrington
    Cayzer, Sir Charles WilliamJackson, Rt. Hon. Wm. LawiesSmith, Hon. W. F. D. (Strand)
    Cecil, Evelyn (Hertford, E.)Jeffreys, Arthur FrederickSpencer, Ernest
    Cecil, Lord Hugh (Greenwich)Jessel, Capt. Herbert MertonStanley, Hon. A. (Ormskirk)
    Chaloner, Captain R. G. W.Johnston, William (Belfast)Stanley, Edward J. (Somerset)
    Chamberlain, J. A. (Worc'r)Keswick, WilliamStanley, Lord (Lancs.)
    Chaplin, Rt. Hon. HenryKimber, HenryStephens, Henry Charles
    Charrington, SpencerKnowles, LeesStirling-Maxwell, Sir J. M.
    Chelsea, ViscountLawrenee, Sir E. Durning- (CornStone, Sir Benjamin
    Cochrane, Hon. Thos. H. A. E.Lawrence, Wm. F. (Liverpool)Strauss, Arthur
    Coghill, Douglas HarryLawson, John Grant (Yorks.)Strutt, Hon. Charles Hedley
    Cohen, Benjamin LouisLea, Sir Thos. (Londonderry)Sturt, Hon. Humphry Napier
    Collings, Rt. Hon. JesseLeigh-Bennett, Henry CurrieSutherland, Sir Thomas
    Colston, Chas. Ed. H. AtholeLlewelyn, Sir Dillwyn-(Swan.)Talbot, Rt. Hn. J. G. (Oxf'd Univ.
    Cook, Fred Lucas (Lambeth)Lockwood, Lieut.-Col. A. R.Thornton, Percy M.
    Cooke, C. W. Radcliffe (Heref'dLoder, Gerald Walter ErskineTollemache, Henry James
    Cornwallis, Fiennes S. W.Long, Col. C. W. (Evesham)Tomlinson, Wm. E. Murray
    Cox, Irwin Edward BainbridgeLong, Rt. Hn. W. (Liverpool)Tritton, Charles Ernest
    Cripps, Charles AlfredLorne, Marquess ofUsborne, Thomas
    Curzon, ViscountLowe, Francis WilliamValentia, Viscount
    Dalbiac, Colonel Philip HughLowles, JohnVincent, Col. C. E. Howard
    Dalkieth, Earl ofMacartney, W. G. EllisonWanklyn, James Leslie
    Davies, Sir Horatio D. (Chat'mMacdona, John CummingWarde, Lt.-Col. C. E. (Kent)
    Dickson-Poynder, Sir John P.MacIver, David (Liverpool)Whitmore, Charles Algernon
    Donkin, Richard SimMaclure, Sir John WilliamWilliams, Jos. Powell-(Birm.
    Doughty, GeorgeM'Arthur, Charles (Liverpool)Wilson, J. W. (Worcestersh, N.)
    Douglas, Rt. Hon. A. Akers-Malcolm, IanWilson-Todd, Wm. H. (Yorks.)
    Doxford, William TheodoreManners, Lord Edward W. J.Wodehouse, Rt. Hn. E. R. (Bath)
    Drucker, A.Maple, Sir John BlundellWortley, Rt. Hon. C. B. Stuart-
    Duncombe, Hon. Hubert V.Mellor, Colonel (Lancashire)Wylie, Alexander
    Dyke, Rt. Hon. Sir Wm. HartMildmay, Francis BinghamWyndham, George
    Fellowes, Hon. Ailwyn Edw.Milward, Colonel VictorWyndham-Quin, Major W. H.
    Field, Admiral (Eastbourne)Monk, Charles JamesWyvill, Marmaduke D'Arcy
    Finch, George H.Moon, Edward Robert Pacy

    TELLERS FOR THE AYES—Sir William Walrond and Mr. Anstruther.

    Finlay, Sir Robert BannatyneMoore, William (Antrim, N.)
    Firbank, Joseph ThomasMore, R. Jasper (Shropshire)

    year ending on the 31st day of March 1900, for the Salaries and Expenses of the Local Government Board."

    The Committee divided:—Ayes, 196; Noes, 72. (Division List, No. 350.)

    NOES.

    Abraham, William (Cork, N. E.Joicey, Sir JamesPickersgill, Edward Hare
    Asher, AlexanderJones, William (Carnarvonsh.Pirie, Duncan V.
    Ashton, Thomas GairKearley, Hudson E.Provaud, Andrew Dryburgh
    Atherley-Jones, L.Kilbride, DenisRickett, J. Compton
    Austin, M. (Limerick, W.)Lawson, Sir W. (Cumberland)Roberts, John Bryn (Eifion)
    Billson, AlfredLewis, John HerbertRoberts, John H. (Denbighsh.
    Bolton, Thomas DollingLloyd-George, DavidRobson, William Snowdon
    Burns, JohnMacaleese, DanielRunciman, Walter
    Caldwell, JamesMacDonnell, Dr M A (Qu'n's C.Sinclair, Capt. J. (Forfarshire)
    Cameron, Sir Charles (GlasgowM'Dermott, PatrickSouttar, Robinson
    Cawley, FrederickM'Ewan, WilliamSteadman, William Charles
    Crilly, DanielM'Leod, JohnSullivan, Donal (Westmeath)
    Curran, Thomas (Sligo, S.)Maddison, Fred.Trevelyan, Charles Philips
    Dalziel, James HenryMaden, John HenryUre, Alexander
    Donelan, Captain A.Mendl, Sigismund FerdinandWallace, Robert
    Fenwick, CharlesMorgan, W. Pritchard (Merth'rWalton, John Lawson (Leeds, S)
    Gourley, Sir Edward TemperleyMorton, E. J. C. (Devonport)Whiteley, George (Stockport)
    Griffitn, Ellis J.Moss, SamuelWhittaker, Thomas Palmer
    Harwood, GeorgeMoulton, John FletcherWilliams, John Carvell (Notts
    Hazell, WalterNorton, Capt. Cecil WilliamWilson, Jos. H. (Middlesbr'gh
    Healy, Timothy M.(N. Louth)O'Connor Arthur (Donegal)Woodhouse, Sir J T (Huddersf'd.
    Hedderwick, Thomas Chas. H.O'Connor, James (Wicklow, W.Yoxall, James Henry
    Holland, W. H. (York, W.R.)Oldroyd, Mark

    TELLERS FOR THE NOES.—Mr. Channing and Mr. Broadhurst.

    Horniman, Frederick JohnPalmer, Sir C. M. (Durham)
    Jameson, Major J. EustacePearson, Sir Weetman D.

    35. Motion made, and Question put, "That a sum, not exceeding £13,000, be granted to Her Majesty, to complete the sum necessary to defray the Charge which will come in course of payment during the year ending on the 31st day of March

    AYES.

    Allsopp, Hon. GeorgeChamberlain, J. A. (Worc'r.)Fisher, William Hayes
    Anson, Sir William ReynellChaplin, Rt. Hon. HenryFison, Frederick William
    Arnold, AlfredCharrington, SpencerFitzWygram, General Sir F.
    Atkinson, Rt. Hon. JohnChelsea, ViscountFlannery, Sir Fortescue
    Bagot, Capt. Josceline FitzRoyCochrane, Hon. Thos. H. A. E.Flower, Ernest
    Balfour, Rt Hn A. J. (Manch'rCoghill, Douglas HarryFoster, Harry S. (Suffolk)
    Balfour, Rt Hon G. W. (LeedsCohen, Benjamin LouisFry, Lewis
    Banbury, Frederick GeorgeCollings, Rt. Hon. JesseGalloway, William Johnson
    Barnes, Frederic GorellColston, Chas. E. H. AtholeGedge, Sydney
    Barton, Dunbar PlunketCook, Fred. Lucas (Lambeth)Gibbons, J. Lloyd
    Bathurst, Hn. Allen BenjaminCooke, C. W. Radeliffe (Heref'd)Gibbs. Hn A. G. H. (City of Lond.
    Beach, Rt Hn Sir M. H. (BristolCornwallis, Fiennes Stanley W.Gibbs, Hon. Vicary (St. Albans)
    Bentinck, Lord Henry C.Cox, Irwin Edwd. BainbridgeGiles, Charles Tyrrell
    Bethell, CommanderCripps, Charles EdwardGilliat, John Saunders
    Bhownaggree, Sir M. M.Curzon, ViscountGoldsworthy, Major-General
    Bigwood, JamesDalbiac, Colonel Philip HughGordon, Hon. John Edward
    Blundell, Colonel HenryDalkeith, Earl ofGorst, Rt. Hon. Sir John Eldon
    Bond, EdwardDavies, Sir Horatio D. (Chath'mGoschen, Rt Hn G. J. (St. Georg's
    Boscawen, Arthur Griffith-Dickson-Poynder, Sir John P.Goulding, Edward Alfred
    Boulnois, EdmundDilke, Rt. Hn. Sir CharlesGray, Ernest (West Ham)
    Bousfield, William RobertDisraeli, Coningsby RalphGreene, Henry D. (Shrewsbury)
    Brassey, AlbertDonkin, Richard SimGreene, W. Raymond- (Cambs.)
    Brodrick, Rt. Hon. St. JohnDoughty, GeorgeGreville, Hon. Ronald
    Bullard, Sir HarryDouglas, Rt. Hon. A. Akers-Gull, Sir Cameron
    Burdett-Coutts, W.Doxford, William TheodoreHanbury, Rt. Hon. Robert Wm.
    Butcher, John GeorgeDrucker, A.Harwood, George
    Campbell, J. H. M. (Dublin)Duncombe, Hon. Hubert V.Hermon-Hodge, Robt. Trotter
    Carlile, William WalterDyke. Rt. Hn. Sir William HartHill, Rt. Hn. A. Staveley (Staffs.
    Cavendish, V.C.W. (Derbysh.)Fellowes, Hn. Ailwyn EdwardHouldsworth, Sir Wm. Henry
    Cayzer, Sir Charles WilliamField, Admiral (Eastbourne)Howard, Joseph
    Cecil, Evelyn (Hertford, East)Finch, George H.Hozier, Hon. James Henry Cecil
    Cecil, Lord Hugh (Greenwich)Finlay, Sir Robert BannatyneJackson, Rt. Hon. Wm. Lawies
    Chaloner, Captain R. G. W.Firbank, Joseph ThomasJeffreys, Arthur Frederick

    1900, for Her Majesty's Foreign and other Secret Services."

    The Committee divided:—Ayes, 201; Noes, 71. (Division List, No. 351).

    Jenkins, Sir John JonesMorgan, W. Pritchard (MerthyrStanley, Hn. Arthur (Ormskirk)
    Jessel, Captain Herbert MertonMorrell, George HerbertStanley, Edward Jas. (Somerset
    Johnston, William (Belfast)Morton, Arthur H. A. (DeptfordStanley, Lord (Lancs.)
    Keswick, WilliamMurray, Rt. Hon. A. G. (ButeStephens, Henry Charles
    Kimber, HenryMurray, Charles J. (Coventry)Stirling-Maxwell, Sir John M.
    Knowles, LeesMurray, Col. Wyndham (Bath)Stone, Sir Benjamin
    Lawrence, Sir E. Durning-(CornNewdigate, Francis AlexanderStrauss, Arthur
    Lawrence, Wm. F. (LiverpoolNicholson, William GrahamStrutt, Hon. Charles Hedley
    Lawson, John Grant (Yorks)Nicol, Donald NinianSturt, Hon. Humphry Napier
    Lea, Sir Thomas (Londonderry)Northcote, Hon. Sir. H. StaffordSutherland, Sir Thomas
    Leigh-Bennett, Henry CurrieOrr-Ewing, Charles LindsayTalbot, Rt. Hn. J. G. (Oxford U.)
    Llewelyn, Sir Dillwyn- (Swan.Parkes, EbenezerThornton, Percy M.
    Lockwood, Lt.-Col. A. R.Pierpoint, RobertTollemache, Henry James
    Loder, Gerald Walter ErskinePollock, Harry FrederickTomlinson, Wm. Edw. Murray
    Long, Col. C. W. (Evesham)Pryce-Jones, Lt.-Col. EdwardTritton, Charles Ernest
    Long, Rt. Hon. W. (Liverpool)Purvis, RobertUsborne, Thomas
    Lorne, Marquess ofRasch, Major Frederic CarneValentia, Viscount
    Lowe, Francis WilliamRickett, J. ComptonVincent, Col. Sir C. E. Howard
    Lowles, JohnRidley, Rt. Hn. Sir Matthew W.Wanklyn, James Leslie
    Macartney, W. G. EllisonRitchie, Rt. Hn. Chas. ThomsonWarde Lt.-Col. C. E. (Kent)
    Macdona, John CummingRobertson, Herbert (Hackney)Warner, Thomas Courtenay T.
    MacIver, David (Liverpool)Rollit, Sir Albert KayeWhitmore, Charles Algernon
    Maclure, Sir John WilliamRound, JamesWilliams, Jos. Powell- (Birm.)
    M'Arthur, Charles (Liverpool)Russell, T. W. (Tyrone)Wilson, J. W. (Worcestersh, N.)
    Malcolm, IanRyder, John Herbert DudleyWilson-Todd, Wm. H. (Yorks)
    Manners, Lord Edward Wm. J.Sandys, Lieut.-Col. Thos. MylesWodehouse, Rt. Hn. E. R. (Bath
    Maple, Sir John BlundellSavory, Sir JosephWortley, Rt. Hon. C. B. Stuart-
    Mellor, Colonel (Lancashire)Scoble, Sir Andrew RichardWylie, Alexander
    Mendl, Sigismund FerdinandSeely, Charles HiltonWyndham, George
    Mildmay, Francis BinghamSharpe, William Edward T.Wyndham-Quin, Major W. H.
    Milwand, Colonel VictorSidebotham, J. W. (Cheshire)Wyvill, Marmaduke D'Arcy
    Monk, Charles JamesSidebottom, William (Derbysh.Young, Commander(Berks, E.)
    Moon, Edward Robert PacySimeon, Sir Barrington

    TELLERS FOR THE AYES.—Sir William Walrond and Mr. Anstruther.

    Moore, William (Antrim, N.)Smith, Hon. W. F. D. (Strand)
    More, Robt. Jasper (Shropshire)Spencer, Ernest

    NOES.

    Abraham, William (Cork, N. E.Holland, Wm. H. (York, W. R.)Pickersgill, Edward Hare
    Asher, AlexanderHorniman, Frederick JohnPirie, Duncan V.
    Ashton, Thomas GairJoicey, Sir JamesProvand, Andrew Dryburgh
    Atherley-Jones, L.Jones, Wm. (Carnarvonshire)Roberts, John Bryn (Eifion)
    Balfour, Rt Hn J. Blair (Clackm.Kearley, Hudson E.Roberts, John H. (Denbighs.)
    Billson, AlfredKilbride, DenisRobson, William Snowdon
    Bolton, Thomas DollingLawson, Sir Wilfrid (Cumb'landRunciman, Walter
    Broadhurst, HenryLewis, John HerbertSinclair, Capt. J. (Forfarshire)
    Burns, JohnLloyd-George, DavidSouttar, Robinson
    Caldwell, JamesMacaleese, DanielSteadman, William Charles
    Cameron, Sir Charles (Glasgow)MacDonnell, Dr M A (Queen'sC.Sullivan, Donal (Westmeath)
    Causton, Richard KnightM'Dermott, PatrickTrevelyan, Charles Philips
    Cawley, FrederickM'Ewan, WilliamUre, Alexander
    Channing, Francis AllstonM'Leod, JohnWallace, Robert
    Crilly, DanielMaddison, Fred.Walton, J. Lawson (Leeds, S.)
    Curran, Thomas (Sligo, S.)Maden, John HenryWhiteley, George (Stockport)
    Dalziel, James HenryMorton, E. J. C. (Devonport)Whittaker, Thomas Palmer
    Donelan, Captain A.Moss, SamnelWilliams, John Carvell (Notts.
    Fenwick, CharlesMoulton, John FletcherWilson, J. H. (Middlesbrough)
    Gourley, Sir Edward TemperleyNorton, Capt. Cecil WilliamWoodhouse, Sir J. T. (Hddersf'd
    Griffith, Ellis J.O'Connor, Arthur (Donegal)Yoxall, James Henry
    Hayne, Rt. Hon. Chas. Seale-O'Connor, J. (Wicklow, W.)
    Hazell, WalterOldroyd, Mark

    TELLERS FOR THE NOES—Major Jameson and Mr. Pirie.

    Healy, Timothy M. (N. Louth)Palmer, Sir C. M. (Durham)
    Hedderwick, Thos. Charles H.Pearson, Sir Weetman D.

    36. Motion made, and Question put, "That a sum, not exceeding £16,169, be granted to Her Majesty, to complete the sum necessary to defray the Charge which will come in course of payment during the year ending on the 31st day of March 1900, for the Salaries and Expenses of

    the Fishery Board in Scotland and for Grants in Aid of Piers or Quays."

    The Committee proceeded to a Division, and the Chairman stated that he thought the Ayes had it; and on his decision.

    being challenged it appeared to him that the Division was frivolously claimed, and he accordingly directed the Noes to stand up in their places, and five Members having stood up, the Chairman declared that the Ayes had it.

    37. £8,000, to complete the sum for the Local Government Board for Scotland.

    38. Motion made, and Question put, "That a sum, not exceeding £28,782, be

    AYES.

    Allsopp, Hon. GeorgeDuncombe, Hon. Hubert V.Lowles, John
    Anson, Sir William ReynellDyke, Rt. Hon. Sir Wm. HartMacartney, W. G. Ellison
    Arnold, AlfredFellowes, Hon. Ailwyn Edw.Macdona, John Cumming
    Atkinson, Rt. Hon. JohnField, Admiral (Eastbourne)MacIver, David (Liverpool)
    Bagot, Capt. Josceline FitzRoyFinch, George H.Maclure, Sir John William
    Balfour, Rt. Hon. G. W. (Leeds)Finlay, Sir Robert BannatyneM'Arthur, Charles (Liverpool)
    Banbury, Frederick GeorgeFirbank, Joseph ThomasMalcom, Ian
    Barnes, Frederick GorellFisher, William HayesManners, Lord Edward W. J.
    Barton, Dunbar PlunketFison, Frederick WilliamMaple, Sir John Blundell
    Bathurst, Hon. Allen BenjaminFitzWygram, General Sir F.Mellor, Colonel (Lancashire)
    Beach, Rt. Hn. Sir M. H.(Bristol)Flannery, Sir FortescueMildmay, Francis Bingham
    Bentinck, Lord Henry C.Flower, ErnestMilward, Colonel Victor
    Bethell, CommanderFoster, Harry S. (Suffolk)Monk, Charles James
    Bhownaggree, Sir M. M.Fry, LewisMoon, Edward Robert Pacy
    Bigwood, JamesGalloway, William JohnsonMoore, William (Antrim, N.)
    Blundell, Colonel HenryGedge, SydneyMore, Robt. J. (Shropshire)
    Boscawen, Arthur Griffith-Gibbons, J. LloydMorrell, George Herbert
    Boulnois, EdmundGibbs, Hn. A. G. H. (Cy. of Lond.Morton, A. H. A. (Deptford)
    Bousfield, William RobertGibbs, Hon. Vicary (St. Albans)Murray, Rt. Hon. A. G. (Bute)
    Brassey, AlbertGiles, Charles TyrrellMurray, Charles J. (Coventry)
    Brodrick, Rt. Hon. St. JohnGilliat, John SaundersMurray, Col. Wyndham (Bath)
    Bullard, Sir HarryGoldsworthy, Major-GeneralNewdigate, Francis Alexander
    Burdett-Coutts, W.Gordon, Hon. John EdwardNicholson, William Graham
    Butcher, John GeorgeGorst, Rt. Hon. Sir J. EldonNicol, Donald Ninian
    Campbell, J. H. M. (Dublin)Goschen, Rt Hn G J(St. George's)Northcote, Hn. Sir H. Staff'd
    Carlile, William WalterGoulding, Edward AlfredOrr-Ewing, Charles Lindsay
    Cavendish, V. C.W. (Derbysh.)Gray, Ernest (West Ham)
    Cayzer, Sir Charles WilliamGreene, Hy. D. (Shrewsbury)Parkes, Ebenezer
    Cecil, Evelyn (Hertford, E.)Greene, W. Raymond (Cambs.)Pierpoint, Robert
    Cecil Lord Hugh (Greenwich)Greville, Hon. RonaldPollock, Harry Frederick
    Chaloner, Captain R. G. WGull, Sir CameronPryce-Jones, Lt.-Col. Edward
    Chamberlain, Rt. Hn. J. (Birm.)Hanbury, Rt. Hon. Robert W.Purvis, Robert
    Chamberlain, J. A. (Worc'r)Hermon-Hodge, Robert T.Rasch, Major Frederic Carne
    Chaplin, Rt. Hon. HenryHill, Rt. Hn. A. Staveley (Staffs.Ridley, Rt. Hon. Sir M. W.
    Charrington, SpencerHouldsworth, Sir Wm. HenryRichie, Rt. Hon. Charles T.
    Chelsea, ViscountHoward, JosephRobertson, Herbert (Hackney)
    Cochrane, Hon. T. H. A. E.Hozier, Hon. James Hy. CecilRollit, Sir Albert Kaye
    Coghill, Douglas HarryJackson, Rt. Hon.Wm. LawiesRound, James
    Cohen, Benjamin LouisJeffreys, Arthur FrederickRussell, T. W. (Tyrone)
    Collings, Rt. Hon. JesseJenkins, Sir John JonesRyder, John Herbert Dudley
    Colston, Chas. Edw. H. AtholeJessel, Capt. Herbert MertonSandys, Lt.-Col. Thos. Myles
    Cook, Fred. Lucas (Lambeth)Johnston, William (Belfast)Savory, Sir Joseph
    Cooke, C. W. R. (Hereford)Keswick, WilliamScoble, Sir Andrew Richard
    Cornwallis, Fiennes Stanley W.Kimber, HenrySeely, Charles Hilton
    Cox, Irwin Edward BainbridgeKnowles, LeesSharpe, William Edward T.
    Cripps, Charles AlfredLawrence, Sir E Durning-(Corn.Sidebotham, J. W. (Cheshire)
    Curzon, ViscountLawrence, Wm. F. (Liverpool)Sidebottom, Wm. (Derbysh.)
    Dalbiac, Colonel Philip HughLawson, John Grant (Yorks.)Simeon, Sir Barrington
    Dalkeith, Earl ofLea, Sir Thomas (LondonderrySmith, Hon. W. F. D. (Strand)
    Davies, Sir Horatio D. (ChathamLeigh-Bennett, Henry CurrieSpencer, Ernest
    Dickson-Poynder, Sir John P.Llewelyn, Sir Dillwyn-(Swans.Stanley, Hon. A. (Ormskirk)
    Disraeli, Coningsby RalphLockwood, Lieut.-Col. A. R.Stanley, Edward Jas. (Somerset
    Donkin, Richard SimLoder, Gerald Walter ErskineStanley, Lord (Lancs.)
    Doughty, GeorgeLong, Col. C. W. (Evesham)Stephens, Henry Charles
    Douglas, Rt. Hon. A. Akers-Long Rt. Hn. W. (Liverpool)Stirling-Maxwell, Sir John M.
    Doxford, William TheodoreLorne, Marquess ofStone, Sir Benjamin
    Drucker, A.Lowe, Francis WilliamStrauss, Arthur

    granted to Her Majesty, to complete the sum necessary to defray the Charge which will come in course of payment during the year ending on the 31st day of March 1900, for the Salaries and Expenses of the Offices of the Chief Secretary to the Lord Lieutenant in Dublin and London, and Subordinate Departments."

    The Committee Divided: Ayes, 193; Noes, 75. (Division List, No. 352.)

    Strutt, Hon. Charles HedleyVincent, Col. Sir C. E. HowardWylie, Alexander
    Sturt, Hon. Humphry NapierWanklyn, James LeslieWyndham, George
    Sutherland, Sir ThomasWarde, Lt.-Col. C. E. (Kent)Wyndham-Quin, Major W. H.
    Talbot, Rt. Hn. J. G. (Oxf. Univ.Whitmore, Charles AlgernonWyvill, Marmaduke D'Arcy
    Thornton, Percy M.Williams, Jos. Powell- (Birm.)Young, Commander (Berks, E.)
    Tomlinson, Wm. Edw. MurrayWilson, J. W. (Worcestersh, N.)
    Tritton, Charles ErnestWilson-Todd, Wm. H.(Yorks.)

    TELLERS FOR THE AYES—Sir William Walrond and Mr. Anstruther.

    Usborne, ThomasWodehouse, Rt, Hn. E. R, (Bath)
    Valentia, ViscountWortley, Rt. Hon. C. B. Stuart-

    NOES.

    Abraham, William(Cork, N. E.Holland, W. H. (York, W. R.)Palmer, Sir Charles M. (Durham
    Asher, AlexanderHorniman, Frederick JohnPearson, Sir Weetman D.
    Ashton, Thomas GairJameson, Major J. EustacePickersgill, Edward Hare
    Atherley-Jones, L.Joicey, Sir JamesPirie, Duncan V.
    Balfour, Rt. Hn. J. Blair (ClackmJones, Wm. (Carnarvonshire)Provand, Andrew Dryburgh
    Billson, AlfredKearley, Hudson E.Rickett, J. Compton
    Bolton, Thomas DollingKilbride, DenisRoberts, John Bryn (Eifion)
    Broadhurst, HenryLawson, Sir Wilfrid (Cumb'landRoberts, John H. (Denbighs)
    Burns, JohnLewis, John HerbertRobson, William Snowdon
    Caldwell, JamesLloyd-George, DavidRunciman, Walter
    Cameron, Sir Charles(Glasgow)Macaleese, DanielSouttar, Robinson
    Cawley, FrederickMacDonnell, Dr M A (Queen'sC.Steadman, William Charles
    Channing, Francis AllstonM'Dermott, PatrickTrevelyan, Charles Philips
    Crilly, DanielM'Ewan, WilliamUre, Alexander
    Curran, Thomas B. (Donegal)M'Leod, JohnWallace, Robert
    Curran, Thomas (Sligo, S.)Maddison, Fred.Walton, John Lawson (Leeds. S.
    Dalziel, James HenryMaden, John HenryWarner, Thos. Courtenay T
    Dilke, Rt. Hon. Sir CharlesMendl, Sigismund FerdinandWhittaker, Thomas Palmer
    Fenwick, CharlesMorgan, W. P. (Merthyr)Williams, John Carvell (Notts.)
    Gourley, Sir E. TemperleyMorton, Ed W. J. C. (Devonport)Wilson, Jos. H. (Middlesbrough
    Griffith, Ellis J.Moss, SamuelWoodhouse, Sir J T (Huddersf'd
    Harwood, GeorgeMoulton, John FletcherYoxall, James Henry
    Hayne, Rt. Hon. Chas. Seale-Norton, Capt. Cecil William
    Hazells, WalterO'Connor, Arthur (Donegal)

    TELLERS FOR THE NOES—Captain Donelan and Mr. Donal Sullivan.

    Healy, Timothy M. (N. Louth)O'Connor, James (Wicklow, W.
    Hedderwick, Thomas C. H.Oldroyd, Mark

    39. £27,479, to complete the sum for the Local Government Board, Ireland.

    Class Iii

    40. £60,806, to complete the sum for Law Charges and Courts of Law, Scotland.

    41. £29,565, to complete the sum for the Register House, Edinburgh.

    42. £3,000, to complete the sum for the Crofters' Commission.

    AYES.

    Aird, JohnBathurst, Hon. Allen Benj.Brassey, Albert
    Allsopp, Hon. CeorgeBeach. Rt. Hn. Sir M. H. -(Brist'lBrodrick, Rt. Hon. St. John
    Anson, Sir William ReynellBentinck, Lord Henry C.Bullard, Sir Harry
    Arnold, AlfredBethell, CommanderBurdett-Coutts, W.
    Atkinson, Rt. Hon. JohnBigwood, JamesButcher, John George
    Bagot, Capt. Josceline FitzRoyBlundell, Colonel HenryCampbell, J. H. M. (Dublin)
    Balfour, Rt Hn Gerald W.(LeedsBond, EdwardCarlile, William Walter
    Banbury, Frederick GeorgeBoscawen, Arthur Griffith-Cavendish, V. C. W. (Derbysh
    Barnes, Frederic GorellBoulnois, EdmundCayzer, Sir Charles William
    Barton, Dunbar PlunketBousfield, William RobertCecil, Evelyn (Hertford, E.)

    43. £53,180, to complete the sum for Prisons, Scotland.

    44. Motion made, and Question put, "That a sum not exceeding £71,777 be granted to Her Majesty to complete the sum necessary to defray the Charge which will come in course of payment during the year ending on the 31st day of March,1900, for such of the Salaries and Expenses of the Supreme Court of Judicature and of certain other Legal Departments in Ireland as are not charged on the Consolidated Fund."

    The Committee divided:—Ayes, 188; Noes, 69. (Division List, No. 353.)

    Cecil, Lord Hugh (Greenwich)Greville, Hon. RonaldPollock, Harry Frederick
    Chaloner, Captain R. G. W.Gull, Sir CameronPryce-Jones, Lt.-Col. Edward
    Chamberlain, Rt. Hn. J. (Birm.)Hanbury, Rt. Hon. Robert W.Purvis, Robert
    Chamberlain, J. Austen (Worc'rHill, Rt. Hn. A. Staveley (Staffs.Rasch, Major Frederic Carne
    Chaplin, Rt. Hon. HenryHoward, JosephRidley, Rt. Hn. Sir Matthew W.
    Charrington, SpencerHozier, Hon. James Henry C.Ritchie, Rt. Hn. Chas. Thomson
    Chelsea, ViscountJackson, Rt. Hon. Wm. LawiesRobertson, Herbert (Hackney)
    Cochrane, Hon. Thos. H. A. E.Jeffreys, Arthur FrederickRollit, Sir Albert Kaye
    Coghill, Douglas HarryJenkins, Sir John JonesRussell, T. W. (Tyrone)
    Cohen, Benjamin LouisJessel, Capt. Herbert MertonRyder, John Herbert Dudley
    Collings, Rt. Hon. JesseJohnston, William (Belfast)Sandys, Lt.-Col. Thos. Myles
    Colston, Chas. E. W. AtholeKeswick, WilliamSavory, Sir Joseph
    Cook, Fred. Lucas (Lambeth)Kimber, HenryScoble, Sir Andrew Richard
    Cooke, C. W. Radcliffe (Heref'd)Knowles, LeesSeely, Charles Hilton
    Cornwallis, Fiennes S. W.Lawrence, Sir E. Durning-(CornSharpe, William Edward T.
    Cox, Irwin E. BainbridgeLawrence, Wm. F. (Liverpool)Sidebotham, J. W. (Cheshire)
    Curzon, ViscountLawson, John Grant (Yorks.)Sidebottom, Wm. (Derbysh.)
    Dalbiac, Colonel Philip HughLea, Sir Thos. (Londonderry)Simeon, Sir Barrington
    Dalkeith, Earl ofLeigh-Bennett, Henry CurrieSinclair, Louis (Romford)
    Davies, Sir H. D. (Chatham)Llewelyn, Sir Dillwyn-(Sw'ns'aSmith, Hon. W. F. D. (Strand)
    Dickson-Poynder, Sir J. P.Lockwood, Lt.-Col. A. R.Spencer, Ernest
    Disraeli, Coningsby RalphLoder, Gerald Walter ErskineStanley, Hn. Arthur (Ormskirk
    Donkin, Richard SimLong, Col. Chas. W. (Evesham)Stanley, Edward J. (Somerset)
    Doughty, GeorgeLong, Rt. Hon. W. (Liverpool)Stanley, Lord (Lancs.)
    Douglas, Rt. Hon. A. Akers-Lorne, Marquess ofStephens, Henry Charles
    Doxford, William TheodoreLowe, Francis WilliamStirling-Maxwell, Sir John M.
    Duncombe, Hon. Hubert V.Lowles, JohnStone, Sir Benjamin
    Dyke, Rt. Hon. Sir W. HartMacartney, W. G. EllisonStrauss, Arthur
    Fellowes, Hon. Ailwyn Edw.Macdona, John CimmingStrutt, Hon. Charles Hedley
    Field, Admiral (Eastbourne)MacIver, David (Liverpool)Sturt, Hon. Humphry Napier
    Finch, George H.Maclure, Sir John WilliamSutherland, Sir Thomas
    Finlay, Sir Robert BannatyneM'Arthur, Charles (Liverpool)Talbot, Rt. Hn. J. G. (Ox.Uni.)
    Firbank, Joseph ThomasMalcolm, IanThornton, Percy M.
    Fisher, William HayesManners, Lord Edward W. J.Tomlinson, Wm. Edw. Murray
    Fison, Frederick WilliamMaple, Sir John BlundellTritton, Charles Ernest
    FitzWygram, General Sir F.Mellor, Colonel (Lancashire)Usborne, Thomas
    Flannery, Sir FortescueMildmay, Francis BinghamValentia, Viscount
    Flower, ErnestMilward, Colonel VictorVincent, Col. Sir C. E. H.
    Foster, Harry S. (Suffolk)Monk, Charles JamesWanklyn, James Leslie
    Fry, LewisMoon, Edward Robert PacyWarde, Lieut.-Col. C. E. (Kent)
    Galloway, William JohnsonMoore, William (Antrim, N.)Whitmore, Charles Algernon
    Gedge, SydneyMore, R. Jasper (Shropshire)Williams, J. Powell- (Birm.)
    Gibbons, J. LloydMorrell. George HerbertWilson, J. W. (Worcestersh. N.)
    Gibbs, Hn.A.G. H.(City of LondMorton, A. H. A. (Deptford)Wilson-Todd, Wm. H. (Yorks).
    Giles, Charles TyrrellMurray, Rt Hn A. Graham (ButeWodehouse, Rt. Hn. E. R. (Bath)
    Gilliat, John SaundersMurray, Charles J. (Coventry)Wortley, Rt. Hn. C. B. Stuart-
    Goldsworthy, Major-GeneralMurray, Col. Wyndham (Bath)Wylie, Alexander
    Gordon, Hon. John EdwardNewdigate, Francis AlexanderWyndham, George
    Gorst, Rt. Hon. Sir John EldonNicholson, William GrahamWyndham-Quin, Major H. W.
    Goschen, Rt Hn G J (St George's)Nicol, Donald NinianWyvill, Marmaduke D'Arcy
    Goulding, Edward AlfredNorthcote, Hn. Sir H. StaffordYoung, Commander (Berks, E.)
    Gray, Ernest (West Ham)Orr-Ewing, Charles Lindsay

    TELLERS FOR THE AYES—Sir William Walrond and Mr. Anstruther.

    Greene, H. D. (Shrewsbury)Parkes, Ebenezer
    Greene, W. Raymond-(Cambs.)Pierpoint, Robert

    NOES.

    Abraham, Wm. (Cork, N.E.)Fenwick, CharlesMacaleese, Daniel
    Asher, AlexanderGourley, Sir Edw. TemperleyMacDonnell, Dr. M. A. (Qu'n'sC
    Austin, M. (Limerick, W.)Griffith, Ellis J.M'Dermott, Patrick
    Balfour, Rt. Hn. J. B. (Clackm.)Hayne, Rt. Hon. Chas. Seale-M'Ewan, William
    Billson, AlfredHazell, WalterM'Leod, John
    Bolton, Thomas DollingHealy, Timothy M. (N. Louth)Maddison, Fred.
    Broadhurst, HenryHedderwick, Thos. Chas. H.Maden, John Henry
    Burns, JohnHolland, Wm. H. (York, W. R.)Mendl, Sigismund Ferdinand
    Caldwell, JamesHorniman, Frederick JohnMorgan. W Pritchard (Merthyr
    Cameron, Sir Chas. (Glasgow)Jameson, Major J. EustaceMorton, E. J. C. (Devonport)
    Cawley, FrederickJoicey, Sir JamesMoss, Samuel
    Channing, Francis AllstonJones, Wm. (Carnarvonshire)Moulton, John Fletcher
    Crilly, DanielKearley, Hudson E.Norton, Capt. Cecil William
    Curran, Thos. B. (Donegal)Kilbride, DenisO'Connor, Jas. (Wicklow, W.)
    Curran, Thos. (Sligo, S.)Lawson, Sir Wilfrid (Cumb'landOldroyd, Mark
    Dalziel, James HenryLewis, John HerbertPalmer, Sir C. M. (Durham)
    Dilke, Rt. Hon. Sir CharlesLloyd-George, DavidPearson, Sir Weetman D.

    Pirie, Duncan V.Souttar, RobinsonWillams, J. Carvell (Notts.)
    Provand, Andrew DryburghSteadman, William CharlesWilson, J. H. (Middlesbrough
    Rickett, J. ComptonTrevelyan, Charles PhilipsWoodhouse, Sir J T (Huddersf'd
    Roberts John Bryn (Eifion)Ure, AlexanderYoxall, James Henry
    Roberts. John H. (Denbighs.)Wallace, Robert

    TELLERS FOR THE NOES—Captain Donelan and Mr. Donal Sullivan.

    Robson, William SnowdonWarner, Thos. Courtney T.
    Runciman, WalterWhittaker, Thomas Palmer

    45. Motion made, and Question put, "That a sum, not exceeding £84,484, be granted to Her Majesty to complete the sum necessary to defray the Charge which will come in course of payment during the year ending on the 31st day of March,

    AYES.

    Allsopp, Hon. GeorgeDuncombe, Hon. Hubert V.Macartney, W. G. Ellison
    Anson, Sir William ReynellDyke, Rt. Hon. Sir W. HartMacdona, John Cumming
    Arnold. AlfredFellowes, Hon. Ailwyn EdwardMacIver, David (Liverpool)
    Atkinson, Rt. Hon. JohnField, Admiral (Eastbourne)Maclure, Sir John William
    Bagot, Capt. Josceline FitzRoyFinch, George H.M'Arthur Charles (Liverpool)
    Balfour, Rt. Hon. G. W. (Leeds)Finlay, Sir Robert BannatyneMalcolm Ian
    Banbury, Frederick GeorgeFirbank, Joseph ThomasManners, Lord Edward W. J.
    Barnes, Frederic GorellFisher, William HayesMaple, Sir John Blundell
    Barton, Dunbar PlunketFison, Frederick WilliamMildmay, Francis Bingham
    Bathurst, Hon. Allen B.FitzWygram, General Sir F.Milward, Colonel Victor
    Beach, Rt. Hn. Sir M. H.-(BristolFlannery, Sir FortescueMonk, Charles James
    Bentinck, Lord Henry C.Flower, ErnestMoon, Edward Robert Pacy
    Bethell, CommanderFoster, Harry S. (Suffolk)Moore, William (Antrim, N.)
    Bigwood, JamesFry, LewisMore, R. Jasper (Shropshire)
    Blundell, Colonel HenryGalloway, William JohnsonMorrell, George Herbert
    Bond, EdwardGedge, SydneyMorton, Arthur H. A. (Deptf'd
    Boscawen, Arthur Griffith-Gibbons, J. LloydMurray, Rt. Hon. A.G. (Bute)
    Boulnois, EdmundGibbs. Hn. A. G H. (City of Lon.Murray, Charles J. (Coventry)
    Bousfield, William RobertGiles, Charles TyrrellMurray, Col. Wyndham (Bath
    Brassey, AlbertGilliat, John SaundersNewdigate, Francis Alexander
    Brodrick, Rt. Hon. St. JohnGoldsworthy, Major-GeneralNicholson, William Graham
    Bullard, Sir HarryGordon, Hon. John EdwardNicol, Donald Ninian
    Burdett-Coutts, W.Gorst, Rt. Hon. Sir J. EldonNorthcote, Hon. Sir H. Stafford.
    Butcher, John GeorgeGoschen, Rt Hn G. J (St George'sOrr-Ewing, Charles Lindsay
    Campbell. J. H. M. (Dublin)Goulding, Edward AlfredParkes, Ebenezer
    Carlile, William WalterGray, Ernest (West Ham)Pierpoint, Robert
    Cavendish, V. C. W. (Derbysh.)Greene, Henry D. (Shrewsby.Pollock, Harry Frederick
    Cayzer, Sir Charles WilliamGreene, W. Raymond-(Cambs.Pryce-Jones, Lt.-Col. Edward
    Cecil, Evelyn (Hertford, East)Greville, Hon. RonaldPurvis, Robert
    Cecil, Lord Hugh (Greenwich)Gull, Sir CameronRasch, Major Frederic Carne
    Chaloner, Captain R. G. W.Hanbury, Rt. Hon. Rbt. Wm.Ridley, Rt. Hn. Sir Matthew W.
    Chamberlain, Rt. Hn. J. (Birm.)Hill, Rt. Hn. A. Staveley (Staffs.Ritchie, Rt. Hn. Chas. Thomson
    Chamberlain, J. Austen (Worc'rHoward, JosephRobertson, Herbert (Hackney)
    Chaplin, Rt. Hon. HenryHozier, Hon. J. Henry CecilRollit, Sir Albert Kaye
    Charrington, SpencerJackson, Rt. Hon. Wm. LawiesRussell, T. W. (Tyrone)
    Chelsea, ViscountJeffreys, Arthur FrederickRyder, John Herbert Dudley
    Cochrane, Hon. Thos. H. A. E.Jenkins, Sir John JonesSandys, Lieut.-Col. T. Myles
    Coghill, Douglas HarryJessel, Capt. Herbert MertonSavory, Sir Joseph
    Cohen, Benjamin LouisJohnston, William (Belfast)Scoble, Sir Andrew Richard
    Collings, Rt. Hon. JesseKeswick, WilliamSeely, Charles Hilton
    Colston, Chas. Edw. H. AtholeKimber, HenrySharpe, William Edward T.
    Cook, Fred. Lucas (Lambeth)Knowles, LeesSidebotham, J. W. (Cheshire)
    Cooke, C. W. Radcliffe (Heref'd)Lawrence, Sir E. Durning-(CornSidebottom, Wm. (Derbyshire)
    Cornwallis, Fiennes Stanley W.Lawrence, Wm. F. (Liverpool)Simeon, Sir Barrington
    Cox, Irwin Edward BainbridgeLawson, John Grant (Yorks.)Smith, Hon. W. F. D. (Strand)
    Curzon, VicountLea, Sir Thomas (LondonderrySpencer, Ernest
    Dalbiac, Colonel Philip HughLeigh-Bennett, Henry CurrieStanley, Hon. A. (Ormskirk)
    Dalkeith, Earl ofLlewelyn, Sir Dillwyn-(Swans,Stanley, E. James (Somerset)
    Davies, Sir Horatio D (ChathamLockwood, Lt-Col. A. R.Stanley, Lord (Lancs.)
    Dickson-Poynder, Sir John P.Loder, Gerald Walter ErskineStephens, Henry Charles
    Disraeli, Coningsby RalphLong, Col. Chas. W. (EveshamStirling-Maxwell, Sir John M.
    Donkin, Richard SimLong, Rt. Hn Walter (LiverpoolStone, Sir Benjamir
    Doughty, GeorgeLorne, Marquess ofStrauss, Arthur
    Douglas, Rt. Hon. A. Akers-Lowe, Francis WilliamStrutt, Hon. Charles Hedley
    Doxford, William TheodoreLowles, JohnSturt, Hon. Humphry Napier.

    1900, for the Salaries and Expenses of the Office of the Irish Land Commission."

    The Committee divided:—Ayes, 186; Noes, 66. (Division List, No. 354.)

    Sutherland, Sir ThomasWanklyn, James LeslieWylie, Alexander
    Talbot, Rt Hn J. G. (Oxf'dUniv.)Warde, Lt.-Col. C. E. (Kent)Wyndham, George
    Thornton, Percy M.Whitmore, Charles AlgernonWyndham-Quin, Major W. H.
    Tomlinson, Wm. E. MurrayWilliams, J. Powell- (Birm.)Wyvill, Marmaduke D'Arcy
    Tritton, Charles ErnestWilson, J. W. (Worcestersh., NYoung, Commander (Berks, E.)
    Usborne, ThomasWilson-Todd, Wm. H.(Yorks.)

    TELLERS FOR THE AYES—Sir William Walrond and Mr. Anstruther.

    Valentia, ViscountWodehouse, Rt. Hn. E. R. (Bath)
    Vincent, Col. Sir C. E. HowardWortley, Rt. Hn. C. B. Stuart-

    NOES.

    Abraham, William (Cork, N. E.Horniman, Frederick JohnOldroyd, Mark
    Asher, AlexanderJameson, Major J. EustacePalmer, Sir C. M. (Durham)
    Austin, M. (Limerick, W.)Joicey, Sir JamesPearson, Sir Weetman D.
    Balfour, Rt. Hn. J. B. (Clackm.)Jones, Wm. (Carnarvonshire)Pirie, Duncan V.
    Billson, AlfredKearley, Hudson, E.Provand, Andrew Dryburgh
    Bolton, Thomas DollingKilbride, DenisRickett, J. Compton
    Broadhurst, HenryLawson, Sir Wilfrid (Cumb'l'ndRoberts, John Bryn (Eifion)
    Burns, JohnLewis, John HerbertRoberts, John H. (Denbighs)
    Caldwell, JamesLloyd-George, DavidRobson, William Snowdon
    Cameron, Sir Charles (Glasgow)Macaleese, DanielRunciman, Walter
    Channing, Francis AllstonMacDonnell, Dr. M. A.(Qn's C.Souttar, Robinson
    Crilly, DanielM'Dermott, PatrickSteadman, William Charles
    Curran, Thomas (Sligo, S.)M'Ewan, WilliamTrevelyan, Charles Philips
    Dalziel, James HenryM'Leod, JohnUre, Alexander
    Dilke, Rt. Hon. Sir CharlesMaddison, Fred.Wallace, Robert
    Fenwick, CharlesMaden, John HenryWarner, Thomas Courtenay T.
    Gourley, Sir Ed. TemperleyMendl, Sigismund FerdinandWilliams, John Carvell (Notts
    Griffith, Ellis J.Morgan, W. Pritchard (MerthyrWilson, J. H. (Middlesbrough
    Hayne, Rt. Hn. Charles Seale-Morton, E. J. C. (Devonport)Woodhouse, Sir J. T. (Hudderf'd
    Hazell, WalterMoss, SamuelYoxall, James Henry
    Healy, Timothy M. (N. Louth)Moulton, John Fletcher

    TELLERS FOR THE NOES—Captain Donelan and Mr. Donal Sullivan.

    Hedderwiek, Thomas Chas. H.Norton, Capt. Cecil William
    Holland, Wm. H. (York. W. R.)O'Connor, James (Wicklow, W.

    46. £75,675, to complete the sum for County Court Officers, &c., Ireland.

    47. £63,316, to complete the sum for Dublin Metropolitan Police.

    48. Motion made, and Question put," That a sum, not exceeding £750,900,

    AYES.

    Allsopp, Hon. GeorgeCavendish, V. C. W. (Derbysh.)Doughty, George
    Anson, Sir William ReynellCayzer, Sir Charles WilliamDouglas, Rt. Hon. A. Akers-
    Arnold, AlfredCecil, Evelyn (Hertford, East)Doxford, William Theodore
    Atkinson, Rt. Hon. JohnChaloner, Captain R. G. W.Duncombe, Hon. Hubert V.
    Bagot, Capt. Joseeline FitzRoyChamberlain, Rt. Hon. J. (Birm.Dyke, Rt. Hn. Sir William Hart
    Balfour, Rt Hn Gerald W (LeedsChamberlain, J. Austen (Worc'rFellowes, Hn. Ailwyn Edward
    Banbury, Frederick GeorgeChaplin, Rt. Hon. HenryField, Admiral (Eastbourne)
    Barnes, Frederic GorellCharrington, SpencerFinch, George H.
    Barton, Dunbar PlunketChelsea, ViscountFinlay, Sir Robert Bannatyne
    Bathurst, Hon. Allen BenjaminCochrane, Hon. Thos. H. A. E.Firbank, Joseph Thomas
    Beach, Rt. Hn Sir M. H. (Bristol)Coghill, Douglas HarryFisher, William Hayes
    Bentinck, Lord Henry C.Cohen, Benjamin LouisFison, Frederick William
    Bethell, CommanderCollings, Rt. Hon. JesseFitzWygram, General Sir F.
    Bigwood, JamesColston, Chas. Edw. H. AtholeFlannery, Sir Fortescue
    Blundell, Colonel HenryCook, Fred. Lucas (Lambeth)Flower, Ernest
    Boscawen, Arthur Griffith-Cooke, C. W. Radcliffe (Heref d)Foster, Harry S. (Suffolk)
    Bousfield, William RobertCornwallis, Fiennes Stanley W.Fry, Lewis
    Brassey, AlbertCox, Irwin Edward BainbridgeGalloway, William Johnson
    Brodrick, Rt. Hon. St. JohnCurzon, ViscountGedge, Sydney
    Bullard, Sir HarryDalkeith, Earl ofGibbons, J. Lloyd
    Burdett-Coutts, W.Davies, Sir Horatio D (ChathamGibbs, Hn. A. G. H. (City of Lond
    Butcher, John GeorgeDickson-Poynder, Sir John P.Giles, Charles Tyrrell
    Campbell, J. H. M. (Dublin)Disraeli, Coningsby RalphGilliat, John Saunders
    Carlile, William WalterDonkin, Richard SimGoldsworthy, Major-General

    be granted to Her Majesty, to complete the sum necessary to defray the Charge which will come in course of payment during the year ending on the 31st day of March, 1900, for the Expenses of the Royal Irish Constabulary."

    The Committee divided:—Ayes, 178; Noes, 64. (Division List, No. 355.)

    Gordon, Hon. John EdwardM'Arthur, Charles (Liverpool)Sidebottom, Wm. (Derbysh.)
    Gorst, Rt. Hn. Sir John EldonMalcolm, IanSimeon, Sir Barrington
    Goschen, Rt. Hn. G. J (St Georg'sManners, Lord Edward Wm. J.Smith, Hn. W. F. D. (Strand)
    Goulding, Edward AlfredMaple, Sir John BlundellSpencer, Ernest
    Gray, Ernest (West Ham)Mildmay, Francis BinghamStanley, Hn. Arthur(Ormskirk)
    Greene, Henry D. (Shrewsbury)Milward, Colonel VictorStanley, Edw. Jas. (Somerset)
    Greene, W. Raymond-(Cambs.)Monk, Charles JamesStanley, Lord (Lancs.)
    Greville, Hon. RonaldMoon, Edward Robert PacyStephens, Henry Charles
    Gull, Sir CameronMoore, William (Antrim, N.)Stirling-Maxwell, Sir John M.
    Hanbury, Rt. Hon. Robt. Wm.More, Robert J. (Shropshire)Stone, Sir Benjamin
    Hill, Rt. Hn. A. Staveley (Staffs.Morrell, George HerbertStrauss, Arthur
    Howard, JosephMorton, A. H. A. (Deptford)Strutt, Hon. Charles Hedley
    Hozier, Hn. James Henry CecilMurray, Rt. Hon. A. G. (Bute)Sturt, Hon. Humphry Napier
    Jackson, Rt. Hon. Wm. LawiesMurray, Charles J. (Coventry)Sutherland, Sir Thomas
    Jeffreys, Arthur FrederickMurray, Col. Wyndham (Bath)Thornton, Percy M.
    Jenkins, Sir John JonesNewdigate, Francis AlexanderTomlinson, Wm. Edw. Murray
    Jessel, Captain Herbert MertonNicholson, William GrahamTritton, Charles Ernest
    Johnston, William (Belfast)Nicol, Donald NinianUsborne, Thomas
    Keswick, WilliamNorthcote, Hn. Sir H. StaffordValentia, Viscount
    Kimber, HenryOrr-Ewing, Charles LindsayVincent, Col. Sir C. E. Howard
    Knowles, LeesPierpoint, RobertWanklyn, James Leslie
    Lawrence, Sir E. Durning-(CornPollock, Harry FrederickWarde, Lieut.-Col. C. E. (Kent
    Lawson, John Grant (Yorks.)Pryce-Jones, Lt.-Col. EdwardWilliams, Jos. Powell-(Birm.)
    Lea, Sir Thomas (Londonderry)Purvis, RobertWilson, J. W. (Worcestersh, N.
    Leigh-Bennett, Henry CurrieRasch, Major Frederic CarneWilson-Todd. Wm. H. (Yorks.)
    Llewelyn, Sir Dillwyn-(Sw'nseaRidley, Rt. Hn. Sir Matthew W.Wodehouse, Rt. Hn. E. R. (Bath
    Lockwood, Lt.-Colonel A. R.Ritchie, Rt. Hn. Chas. ThomsonWortley, Rt. Hn. C. B. Stuart-
    Loder, Gerald Walter ErskineRobertson, Herbert (Hackney)Wylie, Alexander
    Long, Col. Chas. W. (Evesham)Rollit, Sir Albert KayeWyndham, George
    Long, Rt. Hon. W. (Liverpool)Russell, T. W. (Tyrone)Wyndham-Quin, Major W. H.
    Lorne, Marquess ofRyder, John Herbert DudleyWyvill, Marmaduke D'Arcy
    Lowe, Francis WilliamSandys, Lt.-Col. Thos. MylesYoung, Commander (Berks, E.)
    Lowles, JohnSavory, Sir Joseph
    Macartney, W. G. EllisonScoble, Sir Andrew Richard

    TELLERS FOR THE AYES—Sir William Walrond and Mr. Anstruther.

    Macdona, John CummingSeely, Charles Hilton
    MacIver, David (Liverpool)Sharpe, William Edward T.
    Maclure. Sir John WilliamSidebotham, J. W. (Cheshire)

    NOES.

    Abraham, William (Cork, N. E.Jameson, Major J. EustacePalmer, Sir Chas. M. (Durham)
    Asher, AlexanderJoicey, Sir JamesPearson, Sir Weetman D.
    Austin, M. (Limerick, W.)Jones, W. (Carnarvonshire)Pirie, Duncan V.
    Balfour, Rt. Hn. J. B. (Clackm.)Kearley, Hudson E.Provand, Andrew Dryburgh
    Billson, AlfredKilbride, DenisRickett, J. Compton
    Bolton, Thomas DollingLawson, Sir W. (Cumberland)Roberts, John Bryn (Eifion)
    Burns, JohnLewis, John HerbertRoberts, John H. (Denbighs.)
    Caldwell, JamesLloyd-George, DavidRobson, William Snowdon
    Cameron, Sir Chas. (Glasgow)Macaleese, DanielRunciman, Walter
    Channing, Francis AllstonMacDonnel, Dr. M. A. (Q'n's C).Souttar, Robinson
    Crilly, DanielM'Dermott, PatrickSteadman, William Charles
    Curran, Thomas (Sligo, S.)M'Ewan, WilliamTrevelyan, Charles Philips
    Dalziel, James HenryM'Leod, JohnUre, Alexander
    Dilke, Rt. Hon. Sir CharlesMaddison, Fred.Wallace, Robert
    Fenwick, CharlesMaden, John HenryWarner, Thomas Courtenay T.
    Gourley, Sir Edward T.Mendl, Sigismund FerdinandWhittaker, Thomas Palmer
    Griffith, Ellis J.Morgan, W. Pritchard (M'rthyrWilliams, J. Carvell (Notts.)
    Hayne, Rt Hn. Charles Seale-Morton, E. J.C. (Devonport)Woodhouse, Sir J. T. (Hudd'rfld
    Hazell, WalterMoss, Samuel
    Healthy, T. M. (N. Louth)Moulton, John Fletcher

    TELLERS FOR THE NOES—Captain Donelan and Mr. Donal Sullivan.

    Hedderwick, Thomas C. H.Norton, Capt. Cecil William
    Holland, Wm. H. (York, W. R.O'Connor, J. (Wicklow, W.)
    Horniman, Frederick JohnOldroyd, Mark

    49. £69,096, to complete the sum for Prisons, Ireland.

    50. £54,669, to complete the sum for Reformatory and Industrial Schools, Ireland.

    51. £4,044, to complete the sum for Dundrum Criminal Lunatic Asylum, Ireland.

    Class Vi

    52. £7,497, to complete the sum for Hospitals and Charities, Ireland.

    Class Vii

    53. Motion made, and Question put, "That a sum, not exceeding £10,928 (including a Supplementary sum of £4,000), be granted to Her Majesty, to complete the sum necessary to defray the Charge which will come in course of payment

    AYES.

    Allsopp, Hon. GeorgeFlannery, Sir FortescueMurray, Charles J. (Coventry)
    Anson, Sir William ReynellFlower, ErnestMurray, Col. Wyndham (Bath)
    Arnold, AlfredFoster, Harry S. (Suffolk)Newdigate, Francis Alexander
    Atkinson, Rt. Hon. JohnFry, LewisNicholson, William Graham
    Bagot, Capt. Josceline FitzRoyGalloway, William JohnsonNicol, Donald Ninian
    Balfour, Rt Hn Gerald W. (LeedsGedge, SydneyNorthcote, Hon. Sir H. Stafford
    Balfour, Rt. Hn J Blair (Clackm.Gibbons, J. LloydOrr-Ewing, Charles Lindsay
    Banbury, Frederick GeorgeGibbs, Hn. A. G. H. (City of Lon.
    Barnes, Frederic GorellGiles, Charles TyrrellParkes, Ebenezer
    Barton, Dunbar PlunketGilliat, John SaundersPierpoint, Robert
    Beach. Rt. Hn. Sir M. H. (BristolGladstone, Rt. Hon. H. JohnPollock, Harry Frederick
    Bentinck, Lord Henry C.Goldsworthy, Major-GeneralPryce-Jones, Lt.-Col. Edward
    Bethell, CommanderGordon, Hon. John EdwardPurvis, Robert
    Bigwood, JamesGorst, Rt. Hon. Sir John EldonRasch, Major Frederic Carne
    Blundell, Colonel HenryGoschen, Rt Hn G. J. (St. Geo.'s)Ridley, Rt. Hon. Sir M. W.
    Boscawen, Arthur Griffith-Goulding, Edward AlfredRitchie, Rt. Hon. C. Thomson
    Bousfield, William RobertGray, Ernest (West Ham)Robertson, Herbert (Hackney)
    Brassey, AlbertGreene, Henry D. (Shrewsbury)Rollit, Sir Albert Kaye
    Brodrick, Rt. Hn. St. John.Greene, W. Raymond-(Cambs.)Russell, T. W. (Tyrone)
    Bullard, Sir HarryGreville, Hon. RonaldRyder, John Herbert Dudley
    Burdett-Coutts, W.Gull, Sir CameronSandys, Lt.-Col. Thos. Myles
    Butcher, John GeorgeHanbury, Rt. Hon. Robert W.Savory, Sir Joseph
    Campbell, J. H. M. (Dublin)Hill, Rt, Hon. A. Staveley (StaffsScoble, Sir Andrew Richard
    Carlile, William WalterHoward, JosephSeely, Charles Hilton
    Cavendish, V. C. W. (Derbysh.)Hozier, Hon. James Henry CecilSharpe, William Edward T.
    Cayzer, Sir Charles WilliamJackson, Rt. Hon. Wm. LawiesSidebotham, J. W. (Cheshire)
    Cecil, Evelyn (Hertford, East)Jeffreys, Arthur FrederickSidebottom, Wm. (Derbyshire)
    Cecil, Lord Hugh (Greenwich)Jenkins, Sir John JonesSmith, Hon. W. F. D. (Strand)
    Chaloner, Captain R. G. W.Johnston, William (Belfast)Spencer, Ernest
    Chamberlain, Rt. Hn. J. (Birm.Keswick, WilliamStanley, Hon. A. (Ormskirk)
    Chamberlain, J. Austen (Worc'rKimber, HenryStanley, Edward Jas. (Somerset
    Chaplin, Rt. Hon. HenryKnowles, LeesStanley, Lord (Lancs.)
    Charrington, SpencerLawrence, Sir E. Durning-(CornStephens, Henry Charles
    Chelsea, ViscountLawson, John Grant (Yorks.)Stirling-Maxwell, Sir John M.
    Cochrane, Hon. Thos. H. A. E.Lea, Sir Thos. (Londonderry)Stone, Sir Benjamin
    Coghill, Douglas HarryLeigh-Bennett, Henry CurrieStrauss, Arthur
    Cohen, Benjamin LouisLlewelyn, Sir Dillwyn-(Swans.)Strutt, Hon. Charles Hedley
    Collings, Rt. Hon. JesseLockwood, Lieut.-Col. A. R.Sturt, Hon. Humphry Napier
    Colston, C. Edward H. AtholeLoder, Gerald Walter ErskineSutherland, Sir Thomas
    Cook, Fred. Lucas (Lambeth)Long, Col. Chas. W. (EveshamThornton, Percy M.
    Cooke, C. W. Radcliffe (Heref'd)Long, Rt. Hn. Walter (L'pool)Tomlinson, Wm. E. Murray
    Cornwallis, Fiennes Stanley W.Lorne, Marquess ofTritton, Charles Ernest
    Cox, Irwin Edward BainbridgeLowe, Francis WilliamUsborne, Thomas
    Curzon, ViscountLowles, JohnValentia, Viscount
    Dalkeith, Earl ofMacartney, W. G. EllisonVincent, Col. Sir C. E. Howard
    Davies, Sir H. D. (Chatham)Macdona, John Cumming
    Dickson-Poynder, Sir John P.MacIver, David (Liverpool)Wanklyn, James Leslie
    Disraeli, Coningsby RalphMaclure, Sir John WilliamWarde, Lt.-Col. C. E. (Kent)
    Donkin, Richard SimM'Arthur, Charles (Liverpool)Williams, Joseph Powell-(Birm
    Doughty, GeorgeM'Ewan, WilliamWilson, J. W. (Worcestersh. N.
    Douglas, Rt. Hon. A. Akers-Malcolm, IanWilson-Todd, W. H. (Yorks.)
    Doxford, William TheodoreManners, Lord Edward W. J.Wodehouse, Rt. Hn. E. R. (Bath
    Duncombe, Hon. Hubert V.Maple, Sir John BlundellWortley, Rt. Hon. C. B. Stuart-
    Dyke, Rt. Hn. Sir William HartMildmay, Francis BinghamWylie, Alexander
    Fellowes, Hon. Ailwyn EdwardMilward, Colonel VictorWyndham, George
    Field, Admiral (Eastbourne)Monk, Charles JamesWyndham-Quin, Major W. H.
    Finch, George H.Moon, Edward Robert PacyWyvil, Marmaduke D'Arcy
    Finlay, Sir R. BannatyneMoore, William (Antrim, N.)Young, Commander (Berks, E.
    Firbank, Joseph ThomasMore, Robt. Jasper (Shropshire)
    Fisher, William HayesMorrell, George Herbert

    TELLERS FOR THE AYES—Sir William Walrond and Mr. Anstruther.

    Fison, Frederick WilliamMorton, Arthur H. A. (Deptford
    FitzWygram, General Sir F.Murray, Rt. Hn Abraham (Bute

    during the year ending on the 31st day of March, 1900, for certain Miscellaneous Expenses."

    The Committee divided:—Ayes, 180; Noes, 60. (Division List, No. 356.)

    NOES.

    Abraham, Wm. (Cork, N.E.)Holland, Wm. H. (York, W. R.)Oldroyd, Mark
    Asher, AlexanderHorniman, Frederick JohnPalmer, Sir C. M. (Durham)
    Austin, M. (Limerick, W.)Jameson, Major J. EustacePearson, Sir Weetman D.
    Billson, AlfredJoicey, Sir JamesPirie, Duncan V.
    Bolton, Thomas DollingJones, Wm. (Carnarvonshire)Provand, Andrew, Dryburgh
    Burns, JohnKearley, Hudson E.Rickett, J. Compton
    Caldwell, JamesKilbride, DenisRoberts, John Bryn (Eifion)
    Cameron, Sir Charles (GlasgowLawson, Sir W. (Cumberland)Roberts, John H. (Denbighs)
    Channing, Francis AllstonLewis, John HerbertRobson, William Snowdon
    Crilly, DanielLloyd-George, DavidRunciman, Walter
    Curran, Thomas (Sligo, S.)Macaleese, DanielSouttar, Robinson
    Dalziel, James HenryMacDonnell, Dr. M. A (Q'n'sC.)Sullivan, Donal (Westmeath)
    Dilke, Rt. Hon. Sir CharlesM'Dermott, PatrickTrevelyan, Charles Philips
    Donelan, Captain A.M'Leod, JohnUre, Alexander
    Fenwick, CharlesMaden, John HenryWarner, Thomas Courtenay T.
    Gourley, Sir Edw. TemperleyMendl, Sigismund FerdinandWhittaker, Thomas Palmer
    Griffith, Ellis J.Morgan, W. Pritchard (MerthyrWilliams, John Carvell (Notts
    Hayne, Rt. Hn. Charles Seale-Morton, Edw. J. C. (Devonport)Woodhouse, Sir J. T. (Huddrsf'd
    Hazell, WalterMoss, Samuel

    TELLERS FOR THE NOES.—Captain Norton and Mr. Steadman.

    Healy, Timothy M.(N. Lonth)Moulton, John Fletcher
    Hedderwick, Thos. Charles H.O'Connor, James (Wicklow, W.

    54. £20,000, for the Congested Districts Board, Scotland.

    55. £14,251, for repayments to the Civil Contingencies Fund.

    56. £60,000, for the Paris Exhibition, 1900.

    'Army Estimates, 1899–1900

    57. £305,800, for Medical Establishment, Pay, etc.

    58. £571,000, for Militia Pay, Bounty, etc.

    59. £75,000, for Yeomanry Cavalry, Pay and Allowance.

    60. £624,200, for Volunteer Corps, Pay and Allowances.

    AYES.

    Allsopp, Hon. GeorgeCayzer, Sir Charles WilliamFellowes, Hon. Ailwyn Ed.
    Anson, Sir William ReynellCecil, Evelyn (Hertford, East)Field, Admiral (Eastbourne)
    Arnold, AlfredCecil, Lord Hugh (Greenwich)Finch, George H.
    Asher, AlexanderChaloner, Captain R. G. W.Finlay, Sir Robert Bannatyne
    Atkinson, Rt. Hon. JohnChamberlain, J. A. (Worc'r)Firbank, Joseph Thomas
    Bagot, Capt. Josceline FitzRoyChaplin, Rt. Hon. HenryFisher, William Hayes
    Balfour, Rt. Hn. A. J. (Manch r)Charrington, SpencerFison, Frederick William
    Balfour, Rt. Hn. G. W. (LeedsChelsea, ViscountFitzWygram, General Sir F.
    Balfour, Rt Hn J. Bair (Clackm.Cochrane, Hon. Thos. H. A. E.Flannery, Sir Fortescue
    Banbury, Frederick GeorgeCoghill, Douglas HarryFlower, Ernest
    Barnes, Frederic GorrellCohen, Benjamin LouisFoster, Harry S. (Suffolk)
    Barton, Dunbar PlunketCollings, Rt. Hon. JesseFry, Lewis
    Bathurst, Hon. Allen BenjaminColston, Chas. Edw. H. AtholeGalloway, William Johnson
    Beach, Rt. Hn. Sir M. H. (BristolCook, Fred. Lucas (Lambeth)Gedge, Sydney
    Bentinck, Lord Henry C.Cooke, C. W. R (Hereford)Gibbons, J. Lloyd
    Bethell, CommanderCornwallis, Fiennes Stanley W.Gibbs, Hn. A. G. H. (C. of Lond.)
    Bigwood, JamesCox, Irwin Edwd. BainbridgeGiles, Charles Tyrrell
    Blundell, Colonel HenryCurzon, ViscountGoldsworthy, Major-General
    Boscawen, Arthur GriffithDalkeith, Earl ofGordon, Hon. John Edward
    Bousfield, William RobertDavies, Sir Horatio D. (Chath'mGorst, Rt. Hon. Sir J. Eldon
    Brassey, AlbertDickson-Poynder, Sir John P.Goschen, Rt Hn G. J (St George's
    Brodrick, Rt. Hon. St. JohnDisraeli, Coningsby RalphGoulding, Edward Alfred
    Bullard, Sir HarryDonkin, Richard SimGray, Ernest (West Ham)
    Burdett-Coutts, W.Doughty, GeorgeGreene, H. D. (Shrewsbury)
    Butcher, John GeorgeDouglas, Rt. Hon. A Akers-Greene, W. Raymond-(Cambs.)
    Campbell, J. H. M. (Dublin)Doxford, William TheodoreGreville, Hon. Ronald
    Carlile, William WalterDuncombe, Hon. Hubert V.Gull, Sir Cameron
    Cavendish, V. C W (Derbyshire)Dyke, Rt. Hon. Sir Wm. HartHanbury, Rt. Hon. R. Wm.

    61. £790,000, for Transports and Remounts.

    62. £111,100, for Establishments for Military Education.

    63. £60,200, for Miscellaneous Effective Services.

    64. Motion made, and Question put, "That a sum, not exceeding £248,300, be granted to Her Majesty, to defray the Charge for the Salaries and Miscellaneous Charges of the War Office, which will come in course of payment during the year ending on the 31st day of March,1900."

    The Committee divided:—Ayes, 180; Noes, 57. (Division List, No. 357.)

    Hill, Rt. Hn. A. Staveley (Staffs.Monk, Charles JamesSmith, Hon. W. F. D. (Strand)
    Howard, JosephMoon, Edward Robert PacySpencer, Ernest
    Hozier, Hon. James Henry CecilMoore, William (Antrim, N.)Stanley, Hon. A. (Ormskirk)
    Jackson, Rt. Hon. Wm. LawiesMore, Robt. Jasper (Shropsh.)Stanley, Edw. Jas. (Somerset)
    Jeffreys, Arthur FrederickMorrell, George HerbertStanley, Lord (Lancs.)
    Jenkins, Sir John JonesMorton, A. H. A. (Deptford)Stephens, Henry Charles
    Johnston, William (Belfast)Murray, Rt. Hon. A. G. (Bute)Stirling-Maxwell, Sir John M.
    Keswick, WilliamMurray, Charles J. (Coventry)Stone, Sir Benjamin
    Kimber, HenryMurray, Col. Wyndham (Bath)Strauss, Arthur
    Knowles, LeesNewdigate, Francis AlexanderStrutt, Hon. Charles Hedley
    Lawrence, Sir E.Durning-(CornNicholson, William GrahamSturt, Hon. Humphry Napier
    Lawson, John Grant (Yorks)Nicol, Donald NinianSutherland, Sir Thomas
    Lea, Sir Thos. (Londonderry)Northcote, Hon. Sir H. StaffordThornton, Percy M.
    Leigh-Bennett, Henry CurrieOrr-Ewing, Charles LindsayTomlinson, Wm. E. Murray
    Llewelyn, Sir Dillwyn-(Sw'ns'aParkes, EbenezerTritton, Charles Ernest
    Lockwood, Lt.-Col. A. R.Pierpoint, RobertUsborne, Thomas
    Loder, Gerald Walter ErskinePollock, Harry FrederickValentia, Viscount
    Long, Col. C. W. (Evesham)Pryce-Jones, Lt.-Col. EdwardVincent, Col. Sir C. E. H.
    Long, Rt. Hon. W. (Liverpool)Purvis, RobertWanklyn, James Leslie
    Lorne, Marquess ofRasch, Major Frederic CarneWarde, Lieut.-Col. C. E. (Kent)
    Lowe, Francis WilliamRidley, Rt. Hn. Sir Matthew W.Williams, Joseph Powell-(Birm
    Lowles, JohnRitchie. Rt. Hon Chas. ThomsonWilson, J. W. (Worcestersh., N.)
    Macartney, W. G. EllisonRobertson, Herbert (Hackney)Wilson-Todd, W. H. (Yorks.)
    Macdona, John CummingRollit, Sir Albert KayeWodehouse, Rt. Hn. E. R. (Bath)
    MacIver, David (Liverpool)Russell, T. W. (Tyrone)Wortley, Rt. Hn. C. B. Stuart-
    Maclure, Sir John WilliamRyder, John Herbert DudleyWylie, Alexander
    M'Arthur, Charles (Liverpool)Savory, Sir JosephWyndham, George
    M'Ewan, WilliamScoble, Sir Andrew RichardWyndham-Quin, Major W. H.
    Malcolm, IanSeely, Charles HiltonWyvill, Marmaduke D'Arcy
    Manners. Lord Edward W. J.Sharpe, William Edward T.Young, Commander (Berks, E.)
    Maple, Sir John BlundellSidebotham, J. W. (Cheshire)

    TELLERS FOR THE AYES—Sir William Walrond and Mr. Anstruther.

    Mildmay, Francis BinghamSidebottom, Wm. (Derbysh.)
    Milward, Colonel VictorSimeon, Sir Barrington

    NOES.

    Abraham, William (Cork, N. E.)Jameson, Major J. EustacePalmer, Sir Charles M. (Durham
    Austin, M. (Limerick, W.)Joicey, Sir JamesPearson, Sir Weetman D.
    Billson, AlfredJones, William (Carnarvonsh.Provand, Andrew Dryburgh
    Burns, JohnKearley, Hudson E.Rickett, J. Compton
    Caldwell, JamesKilbride, DenisRoberts, John Bryn (Eifion)
    Cameron, Sir Charles (Glasgow)Lawson, Sir W. (Cumb'land)Roberts, John H. (Denbighs.)
    Channing, Francis AllstonLewis, John HerbertRobson, William Snowdon
    Crilly, DanielLloyd-George, DavidRunciman, Walter
    Curran, Thomas (Sligo, S.)Macaleese, DanielSouttar, Robinson
    Dalziel, James HenryMacDonnell, Dr. M. A. (Q. C.)Steadman, William Charles
    Dilke, Lt. Hon. Sir CharlesM'Dermott, PatrickSullivan, Donal (Westmeath)
    Donelan, Captain A.M'Leod, JohnTrevelyan, Charles Philips
    Fenwick, CharlesMaden, John HenryUre, Alexander
    Gourley, Sir Edw. TemperleyMendl, Sigismund FerdinandWarner, Thomas Courtenay T.
    Griffith, Ellis J.Morgan, W. P. (Merthyr)Whittaker, Thomas Palmer
    Hayne, Rt. Hon. C Seale-Morton, Edw. J. C. (Devonport)Williams, John Carvell (Notts)
    Hazell, WalterMoss, SamuelWoodhouse, Sir J T (Huddersf'd
    Healy, Timothy M. (N. Louth)Moulton, John Fletcher

    TELLERS FOR THE NOES—Captain Norton and Mr. Pirie.

    Holland, W. H. (York. W. R.)O'Connor, Jas. (Wicklow, W.)
    Horniman, Frederick JohnOldroyd, Mark

    65. £100, for Ordnance Factories.

    Resolutions to be reported To-morrow.

    Ways And Means

    Considered in Committee.

    (In the Committee.)

    Resolvod—

    "That, towards making good the Supply granted to Her Majesty for the service of the year ending on the 31st day of March, 1900, the sum of £55,858,263 be granted out of the Consolidated Fund of the United Kingdom."—(Mr. Hanbury.)

    Resolution to be reported to-morrow.

    In pursuance of the Order of the House of the 17th day of July last, Mr. Speaker adjourned the House without Question put.

    House adjourned accordingly at five minutes after One o'clock.