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Volume 87: debated on Thursday 2 August 1900

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House Of Commons

Thursday, 2nd August, 1900.

Private Bill Business

Amendment Of Standing Orders

The period of the session has now arrived when it is customary to make alterations in the Standing Orders. I gave notice of these more than a week ago, but I do not think they call for many observations. One of the Amendments it is proposed to insert in Standing Order III.—namely, the words "or compulsory user of the same"—has become necessary in consequence of a Bill having been introduced which proposed to deal with certain lands without acquiring them, by taking the right of user for certain military purposes. It was found that the Bill had been brought in without notice to the individuals whose land it was proposed to use, and at the suggestion of the Standing Orders Committee this Amendment is now proposed. Its effect will be that in similar cases, before scheduling the lands of any individual, due notice will have to be given of the intention to do so. The next Amendment to Standing Order VI. is purely a drafting one; and a further trifling one to insert the words "or newspapers" is intended to give facilities for further publicity, instead of confining the advertisment to one newspaper. There is a new Standing Order proposed providing that a map shall be deposited at the Board of Trade on or before 30th November in the case of Bills for the supply of electrical energy, it being felt that the districts affected should be able to see from the map the extent to which the Bill applies to them. A fresh series of new Standing Orders are also proposed (250 to 257 inclusive) for the purpose of carrying out the Private Legislation Procedure (Scotland) Act of last year. Throughout that Act there are many references to certain procedure to take place in this House—the words usually being "subject to Standing Orders if the two Houses of Parliament think fit so to order." These Standing Orders are little more than a repetition of the words of the statute, but they have become necessary in order to enable the various proceedings laid down by the Act to take place. I beg to move the series of Amendments standing on the Paper in my name.

I should like to ask the Chairman of Committees what is to be done with regard to the constitution of the non-Parliamentary panel. I understand it has to lie appointed by the two Chairmen before the 1st January. There is more latitude with regard to the Parliamentary panel.

I have not been in communication very recently with the Secretary for Scotland on this matter, but during the recess I will communicate with him and we can then constitute the non-Parliamentary panel. But, of course, no action will be taken and no members will be selected to sit upon any of these Commissions until the Parliamentary panel has been constituted at the commencement of next session. The Bills will not be ready for the Commissioners until February or March. Under the Act of Parliament the Commissioners are to be selected, in the first place, from the two Parliamentary panels, and it is only in the event of those two bodies being exhausted that the non Parliamentary panel can be drawn upon. I do not think it likely that the services of the non-Parliamentary panel will be often needed.

Amendments to the Standing Orders agreed to.

Ordered, That the said Resolutions, numbered 250 to 257, be Standing Orders of the House.—( The Chairman of Ways and Means.)

Ordered, That the Standing Orders, as amended, be printed. [No. 314.]

Muirkirk, Mauchline, And Dalmellington Railways (Abandonment) Bill Lords

Read the third time, and passed, without amendment.

Manchester Corporation Tramways Bill Lords

As amended, considered; Amendments made.

Ordered, That Standing Orders 223 and 243 be suspended, and that the Bill be now read the third time.—( Mr. Caldwell.)

Bill accordingly read the third time, and passed, with Amendments.

Workington Railways And Docks Bill Lords

Ordered, That, in the case of the Workington Railways and Docks Bill [Lords], Standing Orders 84, 214, 215, and 239 be suspended, and that the Bill be now taken into consideration, provided amended prints shall have been previously deposited.—( Mr. Caldwell.)

Bill, as amended, considered accordingly.

Ordered, That Standing Orders 223 and 243 be suspended, and that the Bill be now read the third time.—( Mr. Caldwell.)

Queen's consent signified; Bill read the third time, and passed, with Amendments.

Bournemouth Corporation Bill Lords

Ordered, That, in the case of the Bournemouth Corporation Bill [Lords], Standing Orders 84, 214, 217, 239, and 242 be suspended, and that the Bill be now taken into consideration, provided amended prints shall have been previously deposited.—( Mr. Caldwell.)

Bill, as amended, considered accordingly.

Amendments made.

Ordered, That Standing Orders 223 and 243 be suspended, and that the Bill be now read the third time.—( Mr. Caldwell.)

Bill accordingly read the third time, and passed, with Amendments.

Message From The Lords

That they have agreed to—

London (St. Marylebone) Provisional Order Bill,

Paisley Waterworks Provisional Order Confirmation Bill,

Edinburgh (Housing of the Working Classes) Improvement Scheme Provisional Order Bill,

Saint David's Railway (Abandonment) Bill, without amendment.

Tramways Provisional Orders (No. 5) Bill,

Electric Lighting Provisional Orders (No. 10) Bill,

Devonport Corporation Bill,

Hastings Corporation Bill,

Scarborough Corporation Bill,

Newry, Keady, and Tynan Light Railway Bill,

Mid-Kent Water Bill,

Bray and Enniskerry Railway Bill,

Christchurch and Bournemouth Tramways Bill,

Metropolitan District Railway Bill,

Coventry Corporation Bill,

Taunton Corporation Bill,

Metropolitan Gas (Prepayment Meter) Bill (changed from Gas Light and Coke, Commercial Gas, and South Metropolitan Gas Companies Bill),

South Wales Electrical Power Distribution Bill,

Tottenham Urban District Council Bill,

Southport Corporation Bill,

Dublin Corporation Bill,

Plymouth, Stonehouse, and Devonport Tramways Bill,

North Metropolitan Electric Power Supply Bill,

Southport and Lytham Tramroad Bill,

Huddersfield Corporation Tramways Bill,

London County Tramways (No. 1) Bill,

London County Council (Improvements) Bill,

London County Council (General Powers) Bill,

London United Tramways Bill,

Great Northern Railway (Ireland) Bill,

Alexandra Park Bill,

Rochdale Corporation Bill, with Amendments.

That they have agreed to Amendments to—

Tramways Orders Confirmation (No. 1) Bill [Lords],

North British Railway Bill [Lords],

Walsall Corporation Bill [Lords],

Liverpool Overhead Railway Bill [Lords],

Buenos Ayres and Rosario Railway Bill [Lords],

Ipswich Corporation Tramways Bill [Lords],

Rotherhithe and Ratcliff Tunnel Bill [Lords],

Salford Corporation Bill [Lords],

Withington Urban District Council Bill [Lords], without amendment.

Petition

Sale Of Intoxicating Liquors To Children (No 2) Bill

Petition from Pontefract, in favour; to lie upon the Table.

Returns, Reports, Etc

Railways (General Report)

Copy presented, of General Report to the Board of Trade on the Capital, Traffic, and Expenditure of the Railway Companies of the United Kingdom for the year 1899 (by Command); to lie upon the Table.

Statistical Abstract (United Kingdom)

Copy presented, of Statistical Abstract for the United Kingdom in each of the last fifteen years from 1885 to 1899, Forty-seventh Number (by Command); to lie upon the Table.

Statistical Abstract (Colonies)

Copy presented, of Statistical Abstract for the Colonial and other Possessions of the United Kingdom in each of the last fifteen years from 1885 to 1899, Thirty-seventh number (by Command); to lie upon the Table.

Board Of Trade (Labour Department) (Changes In Wages, Etc)

Copy presented, of Report and Statistical Tables relating to Changes in Rates of Wages and Hours of Labour in the United Kingdom, 1899, with Statistical Tables [by Command]; to lie upon the Table.

Merchant Shipping Act, 1894 (Vessels Detained)

Copy presented, of Return of all ships ordered by the Board of Trade, or its officers, to be provisionally detained as unsafe, together with summaries, etc. [by Command]; to Se upon the Table.

Boiler Explosions Acts, 1882 And 1890

Copy presented, of Report to the Secretary of the Board of Trade upon the Working of the Boiler Explosions Acts, 1882 and 1890, with Appendices (in continuation of Parliamentary Paper, C. 9495 [by Command]; to lie upon the Table.

Tramway And Gas And Water Orders

Copy presented, of Report by the Board of Trade of their proceedings under the Tramways Act, 1870, and the Gas and Water Works Facilities Act, 1870, during, the Session of 1900 [by Command]; to lie upon the Table.

Merchant Seamen

Copy presented, of Report of a Committee appointed by the Board of Trade on the question of Continuous Discharge Certificates for Seamen. II. Minutes of Evidence, Appendix, and Index [by Command]; to lie upon the Table.

Tramways (Street And Road)

Return presented, relative thereto [ordered 3rd July; Mr. Ritchie]; to lie upon the Table, and to be printed. [No. 315.]

Bankruptcy

Copy presented, of Seventeenth General Annual Report by the Board of Trade under the Bankruptcy Act, 1883 [by Act]; to lie upon the Table, and to be printed. [No. 316.]

Companies (Winding Up)

Copy presented, of Ninth General Annual Report by the Board of Trade [by Act]; to lie upon the Table, and to be printed. [No. 317.]

Universities (Scotland)

Return presented, relative thereto [ordered 23rd July; Mr. Thomas Shaw]; to lie upon the Table, and to be printed. [No. 318.]

Local Taxation (Scotland)

Copy presented, of the Annual Local Taxation (Scotland) Returns for the year 1898–9 [by Act]; to lie upon the Table, and to be printed. [No. 319.]

Board Of Agriculture (Distribution Of Grants)

Copy presented, of Annual Report on the Distribution of Grants for Agricultural Education and Research in the year 1899–1900, with Statements respecting the several Colleges and Institutions aided and the experiments conducted [by Command]; to lie upon the Table.

Housing Of The Working Classes

Return presented, relative thereto [ordered 9th April; Mr. Hasell]; to lie upon the Table, and to be printed. [No. 320.]

Local Taxation (England) Account, 1899–1900

Return presented, relative thereto [ordered 21st June; Mr. T. W. Russell]; to lie upon the Table, and to be printed. [No. 321.]

Parliamentary Elections (Areas Transferred)

Return presented, relative thereto [ordered 2nd July; Lord Edmond Fitz-maurice]; to lie upon the Table, and to be printed. [No. 322.]

London (Equalisation Of Rates) Act, 1894 (Accounts Under Section 1 (7) Of The Act)

Return presented, relative thereto [ordered 26th July; Mr. T. W. Russell]; to lie upon the Table, and to be printed. [No. 323.]

Local Taxation Returns (England)

Copy presented, of Part II. (Accounts of County Councils and Lunatic Asylums); Part III. (Municipal Borough Accounts, etc.); Part IV. (Accounts of Metropolitan Vestries, District Boards, etc.); Part V. (Accounts of Commissioners of Sewers, etc.); Part VI. (Accounts of Highway Authorities in Rural Districts); and Part VII. (Summary) [by Act]; to lie upon the Table, and to be printed. [No. 324.]

Contracts For School Board (Wages)

Return presented, relative thereto [ordered 26th April; Sir Charles Dilke]; to lie upon the Table.

County Council Scholarships

Return presented, relative thereto [ordered 25th July, 1899; Mr. Broadhurst]; to lie upon the Table.

Public Works (Ireland)

Copy presented, of Sixty-eighth Annual Report of the Commissioners of Public Works in Ireland, with Appendices, for the year ending 31st March, 1900 [by Command]; to lie upon the Table.

Government Departments (Contracts)

Return presented, relative thereto, [ordered 25th June; Sir Howard Vincent]; to lie upon the Table, and to be printed. [No. 325.]

Post Office Telegraphs (Revenue And Expenditure)

Return presented, relative thereto [ordered 23rd July; Mr. Hanbury]; to lie upon the Table, and to be printed, [No. 326.]

Post Office (Revenue And Expenditure)

Return presented, relative thereto [ordered 23rd July; Mr. Hanbury]; to lie upon the Table, and to be printed. [No. 327.]

Criminal And Judicial Statistics (Ireland)

Copy presented, of Criminal and Judicial Statistics of Ireland for the year 1899. Part I. Criminal Statistics [by Command]; to lie upon the Table.

Lunacy (Ireland)

Copy presented, of Forty-ninth Report, with Appendices, of Inspectors of Lunatics (Ireland) [by Command]; to lie upon the Table.

Queen's College (Galway)

Copy presented, of Report of the President for the Session 1899–1900 [by Command]; to lie upon the Table.

Land Judges Court (Ireland)

Copy ordered, "of Fourth Return of Estates prepared, by the Registrar of the. Land Judges Court, pursuant to Rules dated 23rd January, 1897, in relation to proceedings under Section 40 of the Land Law (Ireland) Act, 1896."—( Mr. G. W. Balfour.)

Return presented accordingly; to lie upon the Table, and to be printed. [No. 328.]

Papers Laid Upon The Table By The Clerk Of The House

1. Adjournment Motions under Standing Order No. 17.—Return relative thereto [ordered 31st July; Mr. Caldwell]; to be printed. [No. 329.]

2. Closure of Debate (Standing Order No. 25).—Return relative thereto [ordered 31st July; Mr. Caldwell]; to be printed. [No. 330.]

3. Divisions of the House.—Return relative thereto [ordered 31st July; Mr. Caldwell]; to be printed.

4. Private Bills and Private Business.—Return relative thereto [ordered 31st July; Mr. Caldwell]; to be printed.

5. Public Bills.—Return relative thereto [ordered 31st; Mr. Caldwell]; to be printed.

6. Public Petitions.—Return relative thereto [ordered 31st July; Mr. Caldwell]; to be printed.

7. Select Committees.—Return relative thereto [ordered 31st July; Mr. Caldwell]; to be printed.

8. Sittings of the House.—Return relative thereto [ordered 31st July; Mr. Caldwell]; to be printed.

9. Business of the House (Days occupied by Government and by Private Members).—Return relative thereto [ordered 31st July; Mr. Caldwell]; to be printed. [No. 331.]

Diocesan Registries

Address for "Return of the Statements received by the Secretary of State for the Home Department, under 7 and 8 Vic., c. 68, from the Diocesan Registrars of the Fees received by them and of the state of their Offices during the last three years."—( Mr. H. D. Greene.)

Local Government (Ireland) Act, 1898

Return ordered, "respecting Local Government Electoral Areas, showing for the whole of Ireland the number of Local Government electors and Poor Law Valuation of each county and each county electoral division therein, and of each county district (urban and rural), and each district electoral division or ward therein, and the number of county councillors for each such county and county electoral division, and of district councillors and guardians for each such

county district and district electoral division or ward."—( Mr. Maurice Healy.)

Loss Of Life At Sea

Return ordered, "of the Loss of Life at Sea for the year 1899 (in continuation of Parliamentary Paper, No. 236, of Session 1899)."—( Mr. Ritchie.)

Members Of Parliament (Service On Committees)

Return ordered, "showing—

  • (a) Names of Members who have not served on Private Bill Committees during the present Parliament (omitting Members of the late and present Governments);
  • (b) Number of days' attendance of Members on Private Bill Committees and Public Committtes (other than Standing Committees) during the present Parliament, in the following form:—
  • Names of Members.Number of days' attendance.
    Private Bill Committees.Public Committees (other than Standing Committees).
    —(Mr. D. A. Thomas.)

    Kitchen And Refreshment Rooms (House Of Commons)

    Power given to the Select Committee to report their Observations.

    Report, brought up, and read.

    Report to lie upon the Table, and to be printed. [No. 332.]

    Questions

    China—Operations Against Ta-Ku Forts—Attitude Of United States Admiral

    On behalf of the hon. Member for East Mayo, I beg to ask the Under Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs whether his attention has been directed to the fact that Admiral Kempff has reported to the Government of the United States that ho had declined to join in the demand for the temporary occupation of the Ta-ku Forts because it endangered the lives of people in the interior in advance of absolute necessity, for up to 17th June the Chinese Government had not committed, so far as he was aware, any act of open hostilities towards the foreign armed forces; and whether the Foreign Office are still without any information as to the refusal of the American Admiral to join the other Admirals in the demand for the surrender of the Ta-ku Forts.

    *THE UNDER SECRETARY OF STATE FOR FOREIGN AFFAIRS
    (Mr. BRODRICK, Surrey, Guildford)

    We have no information to the effect suggested in the first part of the question. In a report which reached the Admiralty on the 31st July, Roar-Admiral Bruce states that though Rear-Admiral Kempff attended the Council of the Admirals on each occasion, he did not sign the protocols, and informed Rear-Admiral Bruce that he was unable to take any action, not having received authority from Washington to do so.

    Having regard to that answer, does the right hon. Gentleman adhere to his statement of 3rd July that the American Admiral acted absolutely in concert with the other Admirals?

    Order, order! It is irregular to refer to a previous answer and to proceed to argue on it.

    Advance Of The Allies On Peking

    I beg to ask the Under Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs whether the forces of Great Britain and Japan are now prepared to advance in strength to the relief of the Legations and Europeans at Peking, and if he will state who is in command of these allied forces.

    I have nothing to add to the statement I made on Tuesday on the subject.

    Can the right hon. Gentleman say whether or not the force has actually started?

    [No answer was given.]

    South Africa—War Indemnity—Set-Off Of The Jameson Raid Indemnity

    I beg to ask the First Lord of the Treasury whether, in determining the amount and incidence of any indemnity to be obtained from the Transvaal, regard will be had to the indemnity admittedly due to the Transvaal Government in respect of the Jameson raid; and what steps will be taken to determine the amount equitably due to the Transvaal Government by the Chartered Company in respect of the raid, and to obtain such amount from the Chartered Company, and to include this amount in the assets of the Transvaal out of which any indemnity is to be paid.

    It does not seem that the question of the indemnity due to the Transvaal in respect of the raid has any connection with the indemnity to be obtained from the Transvaal for the war. With regard to the second paragraph, I must refer the hon. Gentleman to an answer given by my right hon. friend the Colonial Secretary on 15th June last.*

    Are we to understand that in taking over the Transvaal we are not taking over the assets as well as the liabilities of the Transvaal Government?

    I cannot answer any general question of that sort. Perhaps the hon. Gentleman will confine himself to the question on the Paper.

    Orange River Colony—Tariffs

    I beg to ask the Secretary of State for the Colonics if he will state what tariff is now applied to goods imported into the Orange River Colony;

    *See The Parliamentary Debates [Fourth Series], Vol. lxxxiv., page 142.
    and, in particular, what duties are chargeable on tobacco, cigars, and cigarettes imported into that colony.

    The tariff applied to goods imported into the Orange River Colony is the Customs Union Tariff which applies equally to the Cape Colony and Natal. The duty on tobacco manufactured and cut is 3s. 6d. per pound, on cigars 6s. per pound and 10 per cent, ad valorem, on cigarettes 4s. per pound.

    Treatment Of Rebels—Lord Roberts's Proclamation In The Orange Free State

    On behalf of the hon. Member for East Mayo, I beg to ask the Secretary of State for the Colonies whether Lord Roberts had authority to issue the proclamation of 1st June, announcing that after a certain date all inhabitants of the Orange Free State found in arms against his troops would be treated as rebels; whether such a proclamation is in accordance with the usages of war, and why Lord Roberts did not consult Her Majesty's Government before taking so grave a step; why the issue of this proclamation was not reported to the Government until the 28th June, and then only on an inquiry from the Colonial Office; whether the issue of this proclamation is sanctioned by Her Majesty's Government; and whether it is proposed to act in accordance with its terms.

    (1) Lord Roberts had authority to annex. Upon annexation the burghers of the Orange Free State became British subjects. His proclamation stated that inhabitants found in arms would be liable to be treated as rebels, not that they would be treated as rebels. (2, 3, 4, and 5) Under his commission Lord Roberts had power to take this step, and Her Majesty's Government have full confidence in his discretion as to any action under the proclamation.

    Boer Treachery—Allegations Against Mr Leroux

    I beg to ask the Under Secretary of State for War whether Mr. Leroux was a justice of the peace at Vredefort under the Orange Free State Government, and whether he was reinstated in his office by the British authorities after taking the oath of allegiance; whether he has been convicted on a charge of giving information to General de Wet, by the help of which information the recent raids on the railway were carried out successfully by that general; and whether he has been sentenced to five years imprisonment; whether he can state approximately the number of our troops and Colonial troops; who were killed, wounded, and taken prisoners in the railway raids referred to; and whether any other punishment is contemplated to be inflicted in such cases, with a view of deterring others from similar acts of treachery.

    No report has reached us of the alleged trial and condemnation of Mr. Leroux. The charge, if made, is serious, but it is one with which those responsible for the administration of martial law are competent to deal. Under these circumstances my hon. friend will, I am sure, agree that I should not be justified in expressing any opinion which might be held to influence either the verdict or the sentence in this or similar cases. In the railway raid of the 21st July, to which I believe my hon. friend alludes, two officers and one hundred men of the Welsh Fusiliers were captured. Both the officers and thirty-one men have since been released, one of the latter being severely wounded.

    Will an inquiry be held, in accordance with the Queen's Regulations, into the circumstances under which these officers and men were taken prisoners?

    That does not arise out of the question. I have dealt with this subject six or seven times already, and I have nothing to add.

    Boers Signing Pledges Of Neutrality

    I beg to ask the Under Secretary of State for War whether he can state approximately the number of Boers who have signed conditions of neutrality and returned to their homes.

    Sentences On Pretoria Traitors

    I beg to ask the Under Secretary of State for War whether any information has yet reached the War Office of the sentences of death alleged to have been passed on Captain Tossel and Mr. Solomon Gillingham, of Pretoria; if so, what was the charge, by what tribunal were they tried, what was the sentence passed, what date was fixed for its execution, and has it been carried into effect yet, or when is it intended to be carried into effect.

    Considersidering the hon. Gentleman told me three weeks ago that despatches were on their way home, may I ask if we are likely to get the information, or is it always to be refused when Ireland is concerned?

    Most certainly we shall get the information, but I do not feel justified in sending inquiries to South Africa, for reasons I have already given.

    I will repeat this question every day until I get a satisfactory answer.

    Pocket Filters For Soldiers

    I beg to ask the Under Secretary of State for War whether, considering the spread of enteric fever in South Africa, he will consider the possibility of increasing the number of pocket Rustem filters served out to the troops on active service there.

    No filters of the kind referred to have been issued to the troops. The only filters that have passed the tests and have been issued are of the Berkefelde and Stack and Brownlow type.

    Press Censors

    I beg to ask the Under Secretary of State for War if he can inform the House whether the noble Lord the Member for the Westhoughton Division of Lancashire is now serving in South Africa as military press censor; and how many, if any, other Members of this House are serving or have served at any time during the war in that capacity.

    Yes, Sir. The noble Lord is serving as chief press censor. The following hon. and gallant Members of this House have served as military press censors—namely, the Member for the Kendal Division of Westmorland, the Member for the Northern Division of Somersetshire, and the noble Lord the Member for the Chichester Division of Sussex.

    May I ask the hon. Gentleman if he can tell me whether the chief press censor is the Tory Whip in this House?

    Soldiers' And Sailors' Compensation

    I beg to ask the First Lord of the Treasury if he can state what steps have yet been taken in pursuance of the resolution of the House of Tuesday, 1st May, relating to compensation for injuries to soldiers and sailors.

    As regards soldiers killed in action or dying of wounds received or disease contracted on active service the Government propose to ask Parliament for a grant for pensions to widows, with allowances to children, as soon as the necessary rules can be drawn up by a small committee of experts. Such a system already exists with regard to the widows and children of men in the Royal Navy and Marines, and both soldiers and sailors are entitled to allowances while disabled from wounds or disease. If this plan is carried out, all subscriptions by the public will be available as additions to such pensions and allowances as may be found desirable after inquiry by local committees or otherwise in the circumstances of each particular case, so that the intention of subscribers will be fulfilled. This is the course recommended by the War Relief Fund Committee.

    Will Parliament be asked to make provision for this purpose this session?

    Will the compensation be equivalent to that given under the Workmen's Compensation Act?

    Settlement Of Troops In South Africa After The War

    I beg to ask the Under Secretary of State for War whether he can state what are the conditions under which it is expected that some 15,000 of the troops now in South Africa will make their homes there; and whether this settlement will be carried out as part of a general scheme under the encouragement and supervision of Her Majesty's Government.

    The whole question of soldiers settling in South Africa after the war is under the consideration of an Inter-departmental Committee.

    Ammunition Reserves

    I beg to ask the Under Secretary of State for War what was the reserve of field and horse artillery ammunition in this country when the South African Republic declared war, and how many rounds per gun were sent with the batteries which went from India to Durban; and whether, in order to make up the artillery ammunition required for the war recourse was had to foreign manufacturers.

    It is not desirable to state definitely the number of rounds of ammunition which are held in reserve in this country; but I may say that when war was declared in October last that authorised reserve was in existence. Five hundred rounds per gun were sent with the batteries which went from India to Durban. The answer to the second paragraph of the question is in the negative.

    Reinstatement Of Retired Officers

    I beg to ask the Under Secretary of State for War whether officers formerly of Her Majesty's Regular Forces, who have served or who are serving in South Africa with the Imperial Yeomanry, colonial forces, or other corps, could, if properly recommended, be reinstated in their former branch of the service.

    Officers who have retired cannot be reinstated without injury to the prospects of officers still serving; there would therefore be serious difficulties in carrying out the hon. Member's suggestion except in very special circumstances.

    General Prinsloo's Surrender

    I beg to ask the Under Secretary of State for War if he can state what was the number of Boer prisoners taken with General Prinsloo on the 30th July, and also the number of horses, rifles and cannon taken on the same occasion.

    Lord Roberts's telegram giving the detailed numbers was published in yesterday's papers. The number surrendered on 30th July was: 986 men, 1,432 horses, 955 rifles, and one Krupp 9-pounder. Since then, on the 31st July, 1,200 men surrendered to General Hunter; and a further number, the total of which is not reported, surrendered to General Bruce Hamilton, giving up 1,200 rifles, 650 ponies, and one Armstrong gun.

    General Rundle's Force

    I beg to ask the Under Secretary of State for War whether he has any information which he can communicate to the House as to the condition of the British troops under the command of General Rundle, who, it is stated, are starving; and, if he has no information, will the Secretary of State for War at once cause inquiry to be made.

    There is no official information, but I understand that, owing to the nature of the country and of the operations in which these troops have been engaged, they have suffered some hardships.

    Great Yarmouth Barracks

    I beg to ask the Under Secretary of State for War whether it is intended to more fully utilise the barracks and twenty-one acres of War Office ground facing the sea at Great Yarmouth; and why only some half-dozen invalids have been sent there since his statement on 1st August last year that this was one of the barracks selected to receive convalescent soldiers.

    In all cases recommended by the medical officers convalescents have been sent to the barracks at Great Yarmouth. The number of cases so sent is thirty-one. The value of the land as a piece of War Department property is fully recognised, but it is not possible to determine the best method of turning it to account except in connection with a general scheme of distribution.

    Military Bands At Garden Parties

    I beg to ask the Under Secretary of State for War whether the attention of the Secretary of State for War has been directed to the fact that the band of the Coldstream Guards played at intervals on Saturday last at Compton Place, Eastbourne, at a garden party to which the Duke of Devonshire invited nearly 4,000 members of the United Conservative and Liberal Unionist Associations of the Eastbourne Parliamentary Division of Sussex; whether the band went to the garden party with the permission of the colonel of the regiment; and whether it is with the sanction of the Secretary of State for War that soldiers in a Queen's regiment were allowed to take part in a political gathering of a party character.

    Sanction was given by the colonel of the regiment. His action was approved by the General Officer Commanding the Home District, who was under the impression that the engagement was not of a political nature. I have no reason to believe so either.

    Is the hon. Gentleman aware of the Queen's Regulation prohibiting bands from attending political gatherings? Was not this a gathering of the Primrose League?

    Is the hon. Gentleman aware that cards of invitation were sent out to members of the Liberal Unionist Association for such and such a Division of this county? Is not that a political gathering?

    Royal Rkserves—Statistics

    I beg to ask the Under Secretary of State for War if he will state the total number of Royal Reserve men who have been re-enrolled and are now serving, distinguishing cavalry, field and garrison artillery, engineers, guards, and Line, and how many corps of each arm of the service have been formed; whether field and garrison artillery and engineers have been formed into separate Reserve units, or whether the men have been utilised to fill up vacancies in existing regular organisations; whether all such Reserve corps are in every respect fully supplied with arms, accoutrements, and other appointments, and whether the mounted portions are fully horsed; and whether these corps are fit to take the field, and have taken part in all field days with other troops where they are stationed.

    The numbers are: —Cavalry, 1,586; Horse and Field Artillery, 1,518; Garrison Artillery, 1,121; Royal Engineers, 437; Foot Guards, 631; infantry of the Line 18,055; other corps, 429; total, 23,777—out of 28,262 who offered their services. Four cavalry Reserve regiments and eighteen infantry Reserve battalions have been formed; in other arms the men have been posted to existing units. The Reserve units are not yet fully supplied with arms and accoutrements; some 230 rifles, 1,250 swords, and 3,000 sets of accoutrements and 500 waistbelts remain to be supplied. The cavalry regiments are not yet fully horsed; horses are furnished gradually as the regiments apply for them. In some cases the generals under whom these units are serving consider them already fit to take the field; but in others, owing to their musketry training being unfinished or their accoutrements incomplete, they are not yet ready.

    Will the men of the field artillery be retained at the end of the twelve months, or will fresh men be called up?

    The question of retaining for service any of these men has, as I have already informed the House, been considered, and we shall do so in some cases, though it will not be the general rule. Probably in the case of artillery there is a stronger reason for doing so than in other cases.

    Australian And Welsh Coal For The Navy

    I beg to ask the First Lord of the Admiralty if he can inform the House whether Australian coal, which is obtainable at Hong Kong, has been used for Her Majesty's ships now engaged in China; and if so, what is the amount so purchased; and whether he can inform the House approximately of the cost per ton to the Admiralty of Welsh coal at Hong Kong, and what is the price per ton deliverable at Hong Kong, all charges included, at which Australian coal has been offered to the Admiralty.

    No information has been received of any purchase of Australian coal at Hong Kong, and no Australian coal has been bought here for Hong Kong. Offers of Australian and New Zealand coal delivered at Hong Kong have ranged since the 1st April last from 38s. to 54s. per ton. The price of Welsh coal during the same period has been from 38s. 6d. to 61s. per ton for cargoes shipped by the Admiralty from Cardiff.

    Distilling Ships

    I beg to ask the First Lord of the Admiralty whether the Admiralty have under consideration the construction of distilling ships of adequate capacity for the service of the Mediterranean Fleet.

    The Board have had under consideration for some time past the provision of distilling ships for service with fleets, and two hired vessels are now under trial in the manœuvres.

    Penalties For Breach Of Naval Contracts

    I beg to ask the First Lord of the Admiralty whether his attention has been called to the Report of the Public Accounts Committee animadverting on the failure of the Admiralty to enforce penalties for breaches of contract for the amount of £113,760 under the Shipbuilding Vote in the year 1898–99, and on the failure of the Admiralty to answer the Treasury Letter relating thereto, dated 28th March 1899, and to similar animadversions in connection with Vote 9; and whether he can now state to the House the defence, if any, of the Admiralty to these censures.

    No, Sir. My attention has not been specially called to the Report in question. I am informed that the letter referred to did not seem to call for a reply, and that none was asked for. The defence of the Admiralty to the so-called "censures," if I wished to make one, would be that the question involved is one of administration, on which it is possible to hold opposite views, and not one of finance. I may remind the hon. and learned Gentleman once more that the policy of the present board as to penalties is still the same as that of the board of which he was a Member.

    Was not the Admiralty's defence before the Committee that it was practically impossible to enforce these penalty clauses

    Penalty Clauses In Admiralty Contracts

    I beg to ask the First Lord of the Admiralty whether the new form of Admiralty contract has been finally settled; and, if so, whether a copy will be laid upon the Table before the Second Reading of the Appropriation Bill; and if he can explain why contracts for the delivery of armour plates and of electrical apparatus contain, as stated by the Report of the Public Accounts Committee, no penalty clauses.

    The answer to the first paragraph is in the negative. On the final revision a point of considerable importance was reserved for discussion with the Law officers. It was found impracticable to insert penalty clauses in contracts for armour plates, and with regard to contracts for electrical apparatus which are made by the Director of Navy Contracts, penalties are omitted in accordance with the general policy pursued since the formation of his Department some thirty years ago.

    Discharged Seamen—Case Of John Blythe

    I beg to ask the First Lord of the Admiralty whether he can reconsider the case of John Blythe, who was discharged from the Navy on the 4th May, 1900, with a gratuity, with the view to granting him a pension, as he states that he was injured in the back by a fall while on service, and is now partially paralysed.

    I am glad that my hon. friend has given me an opportunity of stating the facts of this case. The chairman of the Isle of Wight Board of Guardians is reported to have stated to that board that Blythe was badly wounded in the back at Zanzibar in 1896, and that he had malarial fever in the Benin expedition and was now suffering from paralysis as a result, and that it was a standing disgrace to this country that no more provision should have been made for one who had become incapacitated when fighting for his country. It would appear from the official records that these statements are wholly untrue, that Blythe was not wounded at Zanzibar, and that he was not landed in the Benin expedition. His medical history sheet shows that ho was not a healthy man, but there is no record of his ever having suffered from malarial fever. I shall be glad to show it to my hon. friend if he cares to see it. Blythe had less than seven years service, and his invaliding was not due to the service. Under these circumstances the Board cannot increase the pension already awarded. I regret that the chairman of the board of guardians did not communicate with the Admiralty before making an attack based upon statements which appear to be wholly without foundation.

    India—Poppy Cultivation In Bengal

    I beg to ask the Secretary of State for India whether he is aware that in the Reports of the Bengal Opium Department it appears that the area under poppy cultivation increased from 770,000 big has in 1889–90 to 890,000 big has in 1896–7; that "the increased area obtained was doubtless largely attributable to the necessitous condition of the cultivators"; and that, in the Report for 1897–8, it is stated that "food grains are selling at so high a price that the cultivators are expecting to gain more by sowing wheat, and such crops, than by sowing poppy"; and whether he will call the attention of the Indian Government to the undesirability of tempting cultivators by the offer of Government advances to sow poppy instead of more profitable food crops.

    (1)I am aware that the area of poppy cultivation in Bengal has increased, nearly as stated in the hon Member's question, between the years 1890 and 1898. The area in 1898 appears to have been considerably below that of 1897. (2) The cultivators are perfectly free to sow food or other crops as they may prefer; and if food crops are more profitable, as stated in the question, they will no doubt sow them. The present system is the result of long experience and much inquiry and consideration, in which full weight was given to the importance of controlling the traffic in opium and keeping it within bounds, and I should be reluctant to interfere with the rules and regulations of a system which has worked well.

    Garrison Churches For Presbyterian Soldiers In India

    I beg to ask the Secretary of State for India whether he can yet say what action the Government of India have resolved to take on the subject on which representations have been made by the General Assembly of the Church of Scotland, as to insufficient provision in India of special churches or the use of garrison churches for services for Presbyterian soldiers at garrison stations.

    The intentions of the Government of India have been fully explained in the correspondence laid before Parliament—namely, to establish equality of treatment, so far as the provision and use of churches is concerned, between the Church of England and the Church of Scotland. As regards increased accommodation it is proposed to build Presbyterian churches at Rawal Pindi, Sialkote, and Cherat. Inquiries are being instituted on this point elsewhere.

    Venezuela—Murder Of British Vice-Consul At Ciudau Bolivar

    I beg to ask the Under Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs if he can give any further information as to the murder, on 26th February, of Mr. James Lyall, acting vice-consul at Ciudad Bolivar; whether the Venezuelan Government have refused to try the murderer, who was taken red-handed; whether Her Majesty's Government have sent Her Majesty's sloop "Alert" to investigate the murder, and whether this means that a trial will be insisted on at an early date; and whether, considering the fact that there is evidence that this was a political crime, and that Mr. Lyall was murdered on account of his official position, Her Majesty's Government will insist upon an indemnity being paid, and in any event make adequate compensation to Mr. Lyall's family.

    There is no further information to give respecting the murder of Mr. Lyall. The Venezuelan Government have not refused to try the murderer, but have assured Her Majesty's Charge d'Affaires, who is constantly making representations on the subject, that the proceedings will be conducted properly in accordance with Venezuelan law. An early decision has been pressed for. Her Majesty's ship "Alert" has visited Ciudad Bolivar. Her Majesty's Government must await the full report of the trial before the question of demanding compensation can be considered.

    Fruit Preserving Factories— Hours Of Labour

    I beg to ask the Secretary of State for the Home Department whether he can state what steps are being taken to prevent the working of young women and children for excessive hours in the fruit-preserving factories, and whether any improvement has taken place in this industry since attention was called to the abuse of the regulations by the report of the principal lady inspector.

    *THE SECRETAEY OF STATE FOR THE HOME DEPARTMENT
    (Sir M. WHITE RIDLEY, Lancashire, Blackpool)

    The danger referred to by my right hon, friend is no new thing. It is the result of the undue latitude allowed by the Factory Acts as they stand at present, the abuse of which it is impossible to prevent without legislation. One of the clauses in the Factory Bill was designed to provide a remedy. In the meantime the law is enforced as far as it will go; and some improvement has been effected.

    Metropolitan Police Magistrates' Jurisdiction

    I beg to ask the Secretary of State for the Home Department whether he can say when the Report of the Departmental Committee appointed to inquire into the jurisdiction of the Metropolitan Police magistrates and county justices, which was signed in August, 1899, will be presented to Parliament.

    I had not intended to publish this Report, and my hon. friend must remember that it by no means follows that Reports of Departmental Committees are presented to Parliament, but in this case I have no, objection to adopt the course suggested.

    The Burial Laws

    I beg to ask the Secretary of State for the Home Department whether his attention has been called to a case in which the right of interment under the provisions of the Burial Laws Amendment Act of 1880 was refused; and whether the removal of a man to a hospital outside his own parish for six months deprives him of such right of interment in the churchyard or cemetery of the parish in which he has lived for ten years, and in which his family continued to reside during his stay at the hospital.

    I presume the hon. Member refers to a case about which he wrote to me a few days ago. I am in communication with the incumbent on the subject; but the question as to any right of interment is one which I have no authority to determine.

    I know nothing about the case, so I am afraid I cannot answer.

    Rye Bay—The Removal Of The Wreck Of The "Monica"

    I beg to ask the President of the Board of Trade whether he is aware that, not-withstanding the representations made by the Mayor to the Trinity Board on behalf of the Rye fishermen for the lifting instead of the blowing up of the "Monica," this vessel was, on 19th July, blown up, which has resulted in wreckage being scattered over the principal fishing area in Rye Bay, thus rendering losses in fishing gear inevitable, and causing danger to navigation by floating debris; and whether, seeing that the cost of blowing up the "Monica" was in excess of the expense which would have been incurred in her removal by those on the spot, ready to act on the understanding that in the event of failing to remove her they would not ask to be paid, he will represent to the Trinity Board the desirability of its showing some consideration for the interests of the fishing industry.

    I am informed by the Elder Brethren of the Trinity House that the wreck of the "Monica" was a serious danger to navigation and required to be dealt with immediately. They were unable to entertain the application made to them by the Mayor of Rye to lift the vessel instead of dispersing her by explosives in the usual manner in consequence of the uncertainty as to the success of the operation and the expense involved. An application was subsequently received from the Rye fishermen through the hon. Member to be allowed to undertake the work of lifting the wreck at their own expense, but in the meantime the divers had shattered the vessel beyond any possibility of lifting her. I am assured by the Elder Brethren that, when applications from the fishing interests in similar cases are made at once, and are accompanied by sufficient guarantees for payment of the expenses involved in departing from the prescribed course, full consideration will be given to them.

    Elementary School Teachers—Appeal From Wrongful Dismissal

    I beg to ask the Vice-President of the Committee of Council on Education if he is now prepared to place upon the Table of the House of Commons a Minute of the Board giving a right of appeal to teachers in eases of their alleged, wrongful dismissal by managers of schools, Board and Voluntary, which receive grants under the Day School Code.

    THE VICE-PRESIDENT OF THE COMMITTEE OF COUNCIL ON EDUCATION
    (Sir J. GORST, Cambridge University)

    The Board of Education, having considered this question, are of opinion that legislation is necessary, and they hope to introduce a Bill dealing with the subject next session.

    Holyhead National School

    I beg to ask the Vice-President of the Committee of Council on Education whether he is aware that the managers, of the Holyhead National School habitually bring pressure to bear upon all their teachers to attend Church of England services and to be confirmed, and that out of nine Nonconformists employed at the school seven have been obliged to comply with these demands, although the parents are Nonconformists, and that this is the only school available for a Nonconformist district; and whether, seeing that repeated applications by the Holyhead School Board to be allowed to build a school have been refused, and that the National school is generally overcrowded, he will state what steps the Board of Education will take in this matter.

    The statement in the first paragraph of the question is positively denied by the managers of the Holyhead National School. They state that "church attendance is not made a condition of apprenticeship; some of the pupil teachers attend church, some do not. One or two pupil teachers have been just admitted who are Nonconformists and wish to remain such; another who has just left after securing a Queen's Scholarship is still a Nonconformist….. Nellie Roberts is free to continue apprenticeship."

    I beg to ask the Vice-President of the Committee of Council on Education whether his attention has been called to the fact that repeated demands have been made by the Education Department upon the managers of the Holyhead National School that they should sign the memorandum of agreement of Nellie Roberts, a pupil teacher at the infants' department of that school, but that, although she has been a recognised pupil teacher for over three years, these demands have not yet been complied with; and what reasons are assigned by the managers for their noncompliance.

    I have inquired both in the Department and at the Holyhead National School, and find that no such repeated demands have ever been made. Nellie Roberts had been a pupil teacher for two, not for over three, years.

    I beg to ask the Vice-President of the Committee of Council on Education whether he is aware that, on the 11th of April last, the Rev. Canon Thomas, one of the managers of the Holyhead National School, called Nellie Roberts and another pupil teacher before him, in the presence of the head teachers, and after inquiring of each if they were willing to attend the services of the Church of England and to assist in the Sunday school, and being answered by the first negatively, and by the second affirmatively, that he proceeded to sign the memorandum of agreement of the latter and informed Nellie Roberts that he would leave her agreement unsigned for a time so as to give her an opportunity of deciding whether she would comply with his demands that she should renounce her Nonconformity; and will he cause inquiry to be made in this case.

    I have made inquiries into this matter. The conversation alleged in the question to have taken place is declared by Canon Thomas to be incorrectly reported.

    County Court Payments And Postal Orders

    I beg to ask Mr. Attorney General if he will state the reason of the arrangement by which, while in other courts postal orders are received in payment of small debts, in the City of London money orders only are received, and the exclusion of postal orders is so rigid that if they are remitted instead of money orders, a warrant to levy is issued, as if there had been no tender of payment made; and if it would be possible to make the practice of receiving money and postal orders alike, as in other courts, applicable to the City of London Court.

    I have made inquiry into the subject of the question, and find that there is no uniform practice in the matter. County court registrars commonly accept postal orders, but there are a good many county courts in which they are not accepted. It is stated that a good deal of inconvenience has in some instances been found to result from remittance by postal order. The matter is, no doubt, one which deserves consideration, and I am taking steps to have in considered in the proper quarter.

    Publication Of False News

    On behalf of the hon. Member for North Leitrim, I beg to ask Mr. Attorney General whether any proceedings are in contemplation against the responsible editors of any daily papers for the publication, during the past few weeks, of unfounded news concerning the situation in Peking, thereby causing pain to the relatives of the members of the British Legation in Peking.

    No case of the kind referred to in the question in which proceedings could properly be instituted has been brought to my notice

    Does the same decision apply to papers publishing unfounded news from South Africa?

    [No answer was given.]

    Registration Problems

    I beg to ask Mr. Attorney General whether he is aware that an elector is now deprived of the right to vote by reason of his wife or other member of his family being an inmate of the County Lunatic Asylum, although he has duly made the weekly payment demanded of him, on the ground that he is in receipt of parochial relief; and whether, if such a case does not come within the Medical Relief Disqualification Removal Act, 1885, he will take steps to introduce a Bill to remove such disqualification.

    So far as I am aware there is no authoritative decision that the case mentioned in the question does not come within the Medical Relief Disqualification Removal Act, 1885. There is no intention at present to propose legislation on the subject.

    Reservists And The Parliamentary Vote

    I beg to ask Mr. Attorney General whether he is aware that certain men serving in the Reserve, Militia, Yeomanry, and Volunteer forces in South Africa have failed to pay their rates to 5th January last, which payment is a condition of registration of a person otherwise entitled to be placed on the occupiers portion of the List of Voters; whether his attention has been called to the case of Abel v. Lee (1871) L. R., 6 C., p. 363, which decided that excusal by justices from the payment of rates on the ground of poverty under the Poor Relief Act, 1814, s. 11, is not equivalent to payment; and whether this case has been overruled, and whether cases where the rates have not been paid are covered by the Electoral Disabilities (Military Service) Removal Act, 1900.

    The case of Abel v. Lee referred to in the question has not been overruled on the point to which the question relates. The Electoral Disabilities (Military Service) Removal Act of this session does not cover cases of non-payment of rates.

    Recent Postal Delays In London

    I beg to ask the Secretary to the Treasury, as representing the Postmaster General, whether he is aware that irregularity still exists in the delivery of letters in London; and whether he can assure the House that efficient steps will be taken without further delay to restore the efficiency of the Post Office.

    The Postmaster General assures me that he is not aware that irregularity still exists in the delivery of letters in London. If the hon. Member will furnish the covers of any letters that may appear to have been delayed inquiry shall be made respecting them.

    May I ask my right hon. friend whether there is any distinction in the treatment of letters posted in the Eastern Central district as compared with those posted in other parts of London?

    There is this distinction, that if a letter is put in the wrong box for any district other than the E.C. district—the S.W., for instance— the mistake is corrected at the head office of that district; but, as I understand, that does not happen with regard to letters posted in the E.C. district—that is to say, no re-sorting takes place in that district office, but letters are sent on direct. It is possible delay may arise from that cause, and I will call the attention of the Postmaster General to see if some remedy cannot be applied.

    Commissioners Of Woods And Forests' Investments

    I beg to ask the Secretary to the Treasury if he can state what amount was invested by the Commissioners of Woods and Forests during the financial year ended 31st March, 1899; and whether any, and, if so, what portion of this amount was invested in the purchase of ground rent; and where are such ground rents situated, and how many years purchase was paid for them.

    The amounts invested by the Commissioners of Woods in the year ending 31st March, 1899 were £185,338 8s. 9d. in purchasing estates, and £328,604 0s. 6d. in Stocks, etc. The former sum includes £98,000 invested in purchasing (at 27⅗ years purchase) a freehold ground-rent at Knights-bridge, and £18,585 in purchasing (at 237/10 years purchase) an improved ground rent payable for a term of 78 years secured on Crown property in Regent Street.

    Qualifying Examinations For Sorters And Telegraphists

    I beg to ask the Secretary to the Treasury, as representing the Postmaster General, whether postmen of more than twenty-five years of age are not eligible to compete for the position of sorting clerk and telegraphist until they have first passed a qualifying examination in telegraphy, and whether, as no other class of public servants have to qualify in official duties before being submitted to the educational test, the regulations will be so modified as to permit postmen over twenty-five years of age to first compete at the educational examination, and, if successful, to allow them a certain period within which to qualify in official duties before being finally promoted.

    Persons who are above twenty-five years of age and are candidates for appointment as sorting clerks and telegraphists are required, before being allowed to compete in the educational examination, to show that they have certain postal and telegraph qualifications, because persons above that age who do not possess the required qualifications find them very difficult to acquire, and their appointment without such a proviso is calculated to lead only to disappointment. It is not proposed to make any alteration in the present practice.

    Bradford Telephone Service

    I beg to ask the Secretary to the Treasury, as representing the Postmaster General, if he will explain why one part of the telephone district around Bradford is allowed to communicate by telephone with the post office at Bradford, while other parts of the same telephone district are not allowed the same privilege.

    A certain portion of the Bradford telephone area is also included in the Leeds area. Subscribers in that part may be connected with the exchange system in either area, but not with the systems of both areas. Several of the chief exchanges in the Bradford area are connected with the nearest post offices, and not with the Bradford post office. Possibly the circumstances referred to by the hon. Member are due to these facts, but if he will kindly furnish the Postmaster General with more definite particulars, full information on the subject will be furnished.

    Denbighshire Postal Arrangements

    I beg to ask the Secretary to the Treasury, as representing the Postmaster General, whether he is aware that the districts of Little Mountain, Wheatsheaf, Bradley, Glanllyn, Brynissa, and Rhosrobin, all in, the parish of Gwersyllt, in the county of Denbigh, contain an aggregate population of 2,041, and have only one delivery of letters each day; and whether, seeing, that representations have been made to Her Majesty's Postmaster General by the Gwersyllt Parish Council as to the desirability of having a second delivery, and having regard to the population of the parish, he can promise that arrangements I will be made for a second delivery of letters in the districts named.

    There is already a second post to Wheatsheaf post office with a delivery to callers after 4.20 p.m. Careful inquiry has been made as to the possibility of providing a second house-to-house delivery of letters at the places mentioned by the hon. Member, but it is found that the correspondence is not sufficient to justify the expense of such a service.

    Dundee Sheriff Court—Vaccination Prosecutions

    I beg to ask the Lord Advocate whether his, attention has been called to the recent conviction in the Dundee Sheriff Court of a number of men for failing or refusing to have their children vaccinated, and to the fact that accused pleaded conscientious objections, and on conviction preferred to go to prison rather than pay the fines imposed; whether similar cases have occurred in other parts of Scotland; and whether, having regard to the difference now existing between the laws of England and Scotland on this matter, and to the dissatisfaction created thereby, the Government will consider the question of the assimilation of the laws of the two countries on this matter.

    I have seen a report of the Dundee case referred to, and I am aware of similar cases in Aberdeen and Kirkcaldy. I believe such cases, however, to be very few. In the six convictions at Dundee referred to five went to prison and one paid the fine. One of the five paid the fine pro tanto after a detention of one day. I have reason to believe that there is a great preponderance of opinion in Scotland in favour of the existing law, and the Government do not propose to consider the question of assimilating the Scottish to the English law.

    Passengers' Free Luggage In Scotland

    I beg to ask the President of the Board of Trade whether the Scottish railway companies allow their passengers a less amount of free luggage than is allowed by the English railway companies; and whether he will urge upon the Scottish railway companies the expediency of giving their passengers rights as regards free luggage at least as favourable as those allowed by the English railway companies.

    Yes, Sir; I understand that some of the Scottish companies allow their passengers a less amount of free luggage than that allowed by English companies. This they are apparently authorised to do by the terms of their special Acts. The Board of Trade will use their good offices with the Scottish companies with the object of endeavouring to bring about a uniformity of practice in this respect.

    Fraserburgh And St Combs Light Railway

    I beg to ask the President of the Board of Trade whether any steps have yet boon taken by the Great North of Scotland Railway Company to construct the light railway from Fraserburgh to St. Combs, the Order for which was obtained last year, and for the construction of which a grant has been promised by the Treasury.

    I have communicated with the Great North of Scotland Rail way Company, and they inform me that a commencement of the line has been made on their land at the Fraserburgh end, and that the company are in correspondence with the landowners who undertook to provide the other land required for the railway.

    Arran Islands (Galway) Graveyards

    I beg to ask the Chief Secretary to the Lord Lieutenant of Ireland whether any steps have been taken by the Local Government Board or other authority in preventing injury and desecration of the graveyards in the Arran Islands, Galway, by the grazing of cattle in those places; and if he will state how often within the last twelve months the sanitary inspector has visited these islands for the purpose of inspection.

    As already pointed out by me in answer to a previous question of the hon. Member, the matter referred to is entirely one for the local authority to deal with. I understand that the rural district council at their meeting held on Saturday last decided to appoint a caretaker of the burial ground. If the second paragraph refers to the sub-sanitary officer or medical officer of health, I can only say that both of these officials reside on the islands.

    Proposed Infectious Diseases Hospital At Purdysburn

    I beg to ask the Chief Secretary to the Lord Lieutenant of Ireland whether the Lord Lieutenant has received a memorial from the County Down County Council against the proposal of establishing a hospital for infectious diseases at Purdysburn near the Belfast Lunatic Asylum whether he is aware that the Belfast Hospitals Act, 1898, under which this proposal is made is permissive and not mandatory, and that the statute is not a public statute; and whether, in the interest of the unfortunate persons mentally afflicted, he will take the whole matter into consideration, with the view of preventing the erection of any such hospital.

    The reply to the first paragraph is the affirmative. The county council have been informed that under the Act of 1898 the Belfast Corporation are empowered to devote and hold for hospital purposes the whole or any part of the lands in question, and that under the circumstances the Government have no power to interfere in the matter.

    Irish Teachers' Results Fees

    I beg to ask the Chief Secretary to the Lord Lieutenant of Ireland whether he is aware that the Commissioners of National Education decided last June that with the first payment of the consolidated income would be remitted the equivalent of a full year's results fees, to teachers who would in every case receive full payment for all services, leaving no arrears; and that, if the results period terminated on 31st March, 1900, the teacher would be paid with the June instalment of income, the equivalent of twelve months results fees up to the 31st March, 1900, £20, and also one-fourth of his consolidated income; and seeing that the first payment of the new income was made to a number of teachers, and that in no case was the equivalent of the year's results fees paid, whether he can say why it was withheld, and when it will be paid.

    The Commissioners of National Education decided to make payments as stated in the question, and issued a circular on the subject. In a very large number of cases the equivalents of the results fees were issued two days after the consolidated payments for June quarter, and in most of the remaining cases the equivalents have since been sent, and the issue will soon be completed in all cases. It was impossible to complete the remittance of the equivalents concurrently with the consolidated payments, owing to the shortness of the time at the disposal of the office staff and the complexities of the calculations involved.

    I beg to ask the Chief Secretary to the Lord Lieutenant of Ireland can he state whether any of the teachers of Agricultural schools under the National Board have been paid results fees for the year ended 31st March, 1900; and, if not, what is the cause of the delay.

    These schools have yet to be visited by the inspectors to report specially as to the claims of the teachers. Delay has necessarily taken place owing to the transfer of the agricultural inspector to the new Department of Agriculture. The equivalent grant will be paid as soon as possible.

    Irish National Teachers—Salaries Under New Rules

    I beg to ask the Chief Secretary to the Lord Lieutenant of Ireland whether the Commissioners of National Education have received a petition from the National teachers of District No. 60, pointing out the hardship, which will result to them in fixing their future salaries under the new rules owing to the results of the examination held in the district for the year ending 30th April, 1898; whether he is aware that this examination was held by an inspector performing temporary duty in the district, that the results fees awarded as the result of this examination were below the average received by the teachers affected before and subsequently, and that there have been several complaints as to the character of the reports of this gentleman both in this and other districts; and whether, seeing that his reports in this district reflected injuriously on many teachers who both previously and subsequently had got excellent reports both for skill in teaching and the general management of their schools, the Commissioners propose to accede to the prayer of the petition that in calculating the future income of the teachers of this district the year in question will be excluded and another year selected instead.

    Representations have been received by the Commissioners to the effect stated in the first and second paragraphs. The matter will require careful consideration and is at present engaging their attention.

    Fairymount School, Roscommon

    I beg to ask the Chief Secretary to the Lord Lieutenant of Ireland whether the Commissioners of National Education can state on what grounds they refused to pay to the assistant teacher in the parish of Fairymount, county Roscommon, three quarters salary, although this amount was certified to be due by the manager of the school; and what redress they propose to offer to the lady who has been thus deprived of the money which she alleges she had earned.

    I am informed by the Commissioners that payment of salary was not allowed to the assistant teacher of the school referred to prior to the 1st October, 1899, because the necessary conditions as to average attendance and accommodation were not fulfilled, and that the circumstances of the case do not admit of any further concession in favour of this teacher.

    Leyny (North Sligo) National Schools

    I beg to ask the Chief Secretary to the Lord Lieutenant of Ireland whether he is aware that, owing to the insufficiency of the Government grant for the erection of the proposed new National schools in Leyny, North Sligo, no contractor can be got to undertake the work, with the result that the children of the locality are practically deprived of the benefits of primary education, and that representations have been made on this subject to the Board of Education by the local manager; and whether, as the people of this and other congested districts in the west of Ireland are unable to supplement these grants, he will consider the advisability of having them increased.

    An application has been made by the manager of the Leyny National school containing representations to the effect stated in the first paragraph. The regulations of the Commissioners of National Education, approved by the Treasury, limit the grant to two-thirds of the cost of the buildings as estimated by the Board of Works, and the Commissioners have, therefore, no power to supplement the grant. I will make further inquiry into the matter.

    Irish Potato Crop—Spraying

    I beg to ask the Chief Secretary to the Lord Lieutenant of Ireland whether any inspectors have been appointed to see that spraying is properly done in Limerick and other parts of Ireland where potato blight has set in; and, if so, whether he can give the names of the inspectors, their qualifications, and remuneration.

    No inspectors have been appointed for the purpose suggested in the question, either in Limerick or elsewhere, but six persons experienced in spraying operations are employed by the Congested Districts Board in giving instruction in spraying in Donegal and Kerry. Similar instruction is afforded in Donegal, Mayo, and Galway by the six agricultural instructors in the service of the Board. A statement of the names of these persons, with their emoluments, is being prepared, and will be forwarded to the hon. Member.

    Seeing that the potato blight is so very prevalent in Limerick, will an inspector be sent there?

    [Mr. G. W. BALFOUR'S reply was, inaudible.]

    Boycotting At Tallow

    I beg to ask the Chief Secretary to the Lord Lieutenant of Ireland, with reference to the alleged case of boycotting at Tallow, county Waterford, if he can now say to whom, and in what manner such alleged boycotting is applied.

    The person referred to in the question, has been, affected by boycotting in his trade as shopkeeper and merchant. The police have exercised and will continue to exercise the utmost vigilance in affording him every possible protection and assistance, and his position, I am informed, has considerably improved of late. It would, be contrary to practice to mention his name.

    Is boycotting to be the exclusive privilege of the Prim rose League?

    United Irish League Courts

    I beg to ask the Chief Secretary to the Lord Lieutenant of Ireland whether his attention has been drawn to resolutions which have been passed by certain. United Irish League courts in the county of Kerry, which were identical in character with the resolutions passed by a Land League court in 1887; and whether the Irish Government proposes to take any steps to protect life and property in districts where these courts are held.

    My attention has been drawn to resolutions of the kind mentioned in the first paragraph, stated to have been passed at an indoor meeting of the Lixnaw branch of the United Irish League. The Irish Government will continue, as heretofore, to take all such measures as may appear proper for the preservation of life and property in this or any other district in Ireland.

    Ballygawley Prosecution— M'donnell's Case

    I beg to ask Mr. Attorney General for Ireland whether he is aware that the Bally-gawley Bench on the 17th July instant adjudicated in the case of a man named M'Donnell, summoned before them for drunkenness, and sent the accused to Omagh gaol for fourteen days without the option of a fine; whether he is aware that, in employing vehicles for the conveyance of prisoners from Ballygawley to Omagh, the police engage those of a magistrate, who is a posting master; and that other persons than the prisoner and the escort occasionally ride on those vehicles; and will these matters be inquired into.

    The hon. Member is under a misapprehension. The summons having been amended at the hearing, the accused was convicted of having been, while drunk, guilty of disorderly conduct. The conviction was therefore legal. Vehicles for the conveyance of prisoners have been hired by the police at the posting establishment of a local magistrate. There does not appear to be anything objectionable in this practice. On four occasions persons other than the prisoners and their escort have been accommodated with seats on these conveyances, but the police have been directed not to permit this to occur in future.

    Enniskillen Postal Arrangements

    I beg to ask the Secretary to the Treasury, as representing the Postmaster General, whether he is aware that the male sorting clerks and telegraphists employed at the Enniskillen post office are compelled to perform night duty for periods averaging eight months in each year, and that the meal times are arranged irregularly, and that the staff experience discomfort in this respect; whether the Postmaster General has received the petition which has been forwarded to him, but of which the staff has since heard nothing; and whether he will cause inquiries to be made into the case of these men.

    The Postmaster General is aware that the staff of the Enniskillen post office are being put to some inconvenience in the discharge of their duties, and arrangements are under consideration for removing all cause for complaint. They will, it is hoped, be carried out at an early date. The Postmaster General received the petition referred to in due course.

    Dublin Parcels Deliveries

    I beg to ask the Secretary to the Treasury, as representing the Postmaster General, will he explain why the parcels post deliveries in Dublin are made by the aid of vans, while the postmen in the towns of the county, such as Bray, Howth, and Kingstown, are obliged to carry heavy loads of parcels with the ordinary letter deliveries; and whether it would be possible to provide vans for the delivery of parcels in these towns as well as in the city, in order to expedite the letter deliveries and relieve the postmen of the heavy loads they are now obliged to carry.

    About two-thirds of the parcels for delivery in Dublin are taken out by van, and of the remainder some are taken out by hand carts and some by postmen. At Kingstown also about two-thirds are taken out by van, and the remainder by postmen. At Bray and Howth all the parcels are delivered by postmen. Those arrangements work satisfactorily, and as care is always taken to provide against any postman being overloaded no change appears to be called for.

    Kildalkey Postal Arrangements

    I beg to ask the Secretary to the Treasury, as representing the Postmaster General, whether he has received a petition from the inhabitants of Kildalkey and the districts surrounding it asking that the midday delivery of letters now carried from Athboy to Clifton Lodge may be extended to Kildalkey; whether he is aware that under the present arrangement English letters, and letters posted in Dublin after six o'clock for Kildalkey and districts adjoining, are delayed in Athboy from midday until the following morning, and that inconvenience is thereby caused to a number of graziers and cattle traders; and whether he will see that the prayer of the petitioners is complied with.

    The Postmaster General has received an application for a midday delivery of letters at Kildalkey, and the matter is under inquiry. The result shall be communicated to the hon. Member as soon as possible.

    Grand Canal Company Of Ireland

    I beg to ask the Secretary to the Treasury whether he has any information as to the alleged intention of the Grand Canal Company of Ireland to abandon the traffic on the river Shannon owing to the conduct of the Irish Board of Works; and whether he will make representations to this Board with a view to their treating the Grand Canal Company in a more generous manner.

    The answer to the first paragraph is in the negative. I am informed that the Board of Works are training the company in all respects in a very liberal manner, and that their conduct compares very favourably with that of the company towards bye-traders on their own canal. The tolls charged to the company by the Board are far below those charged by the company; and the Board are not making any profit out of them.

    Cork To Fermoy Railway

    I beg to ask the Secretary to the Treasury whether he is in a position to make any further statement as to the construction of the direct line of railway from Cork to Fermoy.

    I received yesterday a letter from the Secretary to the Fish-guard and Rosslare Railway Company stating, "So far as they [the directors] can see at the present time it will probably be about a twelvemonth before they wall be in a position to commence the section of their undertaking from Fermoy to Cork, and I am authorised on their behalf to say that that portion of their line shall be commenced within a twelvemonth from this date." I have inquired what is meant by "commencing," and said that presumably, if this assurance is to be of any practical value, it must mean at least that the whole of the necessary land will have been taken, a contract for the construction of the line been signed, and a bonâ fide start made with the works themselves.

    Does the correspondence show if any portion of this line has yet been surveyed?

    Seeing that the Amalgamation Bill has passed through the House, I suppose the directors will choose their own time for making the railway.

    Arrest Of Newspaper Proprietors In Ireland

    I have to ask the Chief Secretary for Ireland a question of which I have given him private notice—namely, whether Messrs. P. J. O'Keefe and E. T. Keane, manager and editor respectively of the Kilkenny People, were arrested yesterday morning in their office; whether the offence charged was the publication in their paper of the proceedings of a public meeting; when was the offence committed; under what Act were they arrested and charged; and why the ordinary course of proceeding by summons was departed from in this case.

    It is a fact that Messrs. P. J. O'Keefe and E. T. Keane, proprietors of the Kilkenny People newspaper, were arrested yesterday. They are charged with publishing a notice pur-porting to be a report of the proceedings of the Mullinahone branch of the United Irish League and advocating the boycotting of Barton Brothers. The newspaper containing the notice was dated 2nd June, 1900. The prosecution is under one of the Whiteboy Acts (1 and 2 Will. IV., c. 44). The defendants were, on the advice of the Attorney General, arrested on warrants grounded on sworn informations, that being the most expedient mode of procedure under the circumstances. No unnecessary inconvenience was indicted on the accused, who were admitted to bail.

    In consequence of that answer, I ask leave to move the adjournment of the House for the purpose of calling attention to a definite matter of urgent public importance—namely, the arbitrary arrest on warrant of Mr. Patrick J. O'Keefe, and Mr. E. T. Keane, manager and editor respectively of the Kilkenny People newspaper, for having published the proceedings of a public meeting, instead of the institution of proceedings against them by summons, as is usual in the case of press offences.

    If the hon. Member will read the Sessional Order as to the last two days of Supply he will find that on those two days no such motion can be accepted.

    If there is no other opportunity of bringing this matter before the House I will do so on the Appropriation Bill.

    The Attempt On The Life Of The Prince Of Wales—The Acquittal Of Sipido

    I beg to ask the First Lord of the Treasury whether Her Majesty's Government made any representations to the Belgian Government in consequence of the result of the trial of the Anarchist Sipido, what was the nature of such representations, and what reply was received from the Belgian Government.

    Her Majesty's Government have informed the Belgian Government that they consider the result of the proceedings in connection with Sipido to be a grave and most unfortunate miscarriage of justice, and that they have learned with great surprise and regret that the Belgian Government did not see fit to detain Sipido pending a decision as to the course they should take in view of the verdict of the jury. The Belgian Government have not yet replied.

    Coal Supply—Suggested Royal Commission

    I beg to ask the First Lord of the Treasury whether, having regard to the growing scarcity and dearness of coal, and in view of the altered circumstances of the Trade since the inquiry into our coal, resources made by Royal Commission a generation ago, and the fact that experience has shown the conclusions of that Commission to be erroneous, he can now see his way to cause a fresh inquiry to be made in order to remove the uncertainty that prevails as to the quantity of coal remaining unworked and available for naval, domestic, manufacturing, and, commercial purposes.

    I do not think the scarity and dearness of coal have any relation to the larger issue dealt with in the main part of the question. The question of a revised survey of the coalfields is, I understand, engaging the attention of a Committee now sitting in, regard to the geological survey, and a Report will be made to the Lord President of the Council. I think it will be found useful to collect tabulated information with a view to determining whether it is necessary to hold further inquiry into, this very important subject.

    Business Of The House

    Will the right hon. Gentleman give an explanation as to the, business for to-morrow and Monday?

    I do not think I have any detailed information to give. As the right hon. Gentleman knows,to-day and to-morrow are allocated to Supply. After that we shall do our best, to hurry through the remaining Orders of the Day, which are not of a controversial character. If the House will consent to expedite matters, there ought to be no difficulty in proroguing on Wednesday.

    Message From The Lords

    That they have agreed to—Customs Duties (Isle of Man) Bill, without amendment.

    That they have agreed to—Agricultural Holdings Bill, and Post Office Sites Bill, with Amendments.

    Agricultural Holdings Bill

    Lords Amendments to be considered upon Monday next, and to be printed. [Bill 320.]

    Death Of His Royal Highness The Duke Of Saxe-Coburg And Gotha

    Mr. Speaker, it is only a few hours ago that I had to ask the House to pass a resolution expressing our sympathy with the misfortune that had befallen the people of Italy, and our horror at the dastardly crime by which that misfortune was caused. I now have to ask the House again to pass a vote of sympathy, but, if possible, this motion is one which touches us more intimately and more nearly than that which I moved on Tuesday last, for the subject of my resolution is a Prince of our own Royal House, a countryman of our own, and a sailor of the British Navy of distinguished capacity. Mr. Speaker, the Duke of Coburg's death is not surrounded by those circumstances of violence and crime which attended that other Royal death to which I have referred, but in its suddenness and in its unexpectedness it produces, and must produce, an equal shock, an equal pain, an equal sympathy with those who are the most immediate sufferers. His Royal Highness was not only, as I have said, a Prince of our Royal House, and a member of one of the noblest and most exacting professions, but the high authorities I have consulted are unanimous in telling mo that he worked at that profession in no holiday spirit, and that he excelled as a sailor in competition with the very best of those with whom he was brought into contact. He worked his way through the ranks of that service, and when he reached the highest post of responsibility as Commander of the Mediterranean Fleet he proved himself to be not only an unequalled master of detail in all that concerned the naval service, but, what is of even more importance and is even of rarer occurrence, he showed himself to be a master of naval tactics—to excel in the manipulation of a great modern steam fleet. It was not given him in actual war to show how his great naval accomplishments could have been brought practically to the service of his country, but the work which he did in his profession was of the kind for which I think we, who depend upon the Navy for our very existence, may well bear him national gratitude. Sir, these are reasons why we should remember with respect and sorrow, on his own account, the Duke of Coburg; but it is not simply in relation to the great loss that has been sustained by his death that I ask the House to pass this resolution. The motion which I have put on the Paper expresses more than this; it expresses the sympathy of the House and of the country, so far as this House represents it, towards the wife and towards the mother. Those, Sir, are not feelings which I should care to do more than to indicate on an occasion like this, but they are present to all our minds. When the wife with whom we sympathise is one who has gained so much of the affections of the people of these islands as her Imperial Highness the Duchess of Coburg, and when the mother is the Queen of this, country, whose sorrows are our sorrows and whose joys are our joys, then, Sir, I feel that this resolution will be passed by the House with more than common feelings of earnest sympathy. I do not think it is necessary to add anything to what I have said, or to reinforce the words of the resolution themselves, for I know that they will commend themselves to the hearts and to the feelings of every man whom I am addressing, be his opinions or his politics what they may. I will therefore content myself with asking the House to accept the motion standing in my name.

    Sir, it is not a mere formal duty that the right hon. Gentleman invites the House of Commons to discharge. In passing this resolution, we not only follow former precedents and walk in the path prescribed by constant, usage, but it is the instinct of our hearts that we obeyx2014;the instinct of loyalty and devotion, and I may even say, of gratitude and affection. It has often been said of our gracious Queen—and our experience down to the most recent days amply vouches for it—that she suffers with all the sufferings of her subjects. Not less is it true, Sir, that any sorrow which affects the Queen or her Royal House touches deeply the hearts of all her people. And when, as on this occasion, a beloved son is taken from her by the awful stroke of death, it is the desire, quite as much as the duty, of the House to approach the Throne with dutiful expressions of sympathy. The Queen has made her life a life of duty, and therefore of happiness, and she has not been spared by the heavy hand of affliction, a hand which rests equally upon the palace and the cottage; and our earnest hope is that she may support this most recent stroke with the same fortitude which has been proved before, and that Her Majesty's health, so precious not only to us and the people of these islands, but to the whole Empire—and I will even say to the whole world—may be fully sustained. Sir, it is, however, not only feelings of grief and sympathy that inspire us at this moment; we have also in our breasts a sentiment not less genuine, a sentiment of cordial regret. The Duke of Coburg was not only a German reigning Sovereign, he had not ceased to be a British Prince; and while we share the admiration with which his subjects and neighbours have seen him loyally and successfully set to work in his new duties and accomplish all that was required of him, and seen the skill with which he merged the old Prince in the new ruler, we still remember him and think of him rather as the Duke of Edinburgh than as Duke of Coburg. We remember the part he played in our national life, the readiness he showed on all occasions, as his Royal brothers and sisters have ever done, to display interest in any patriotic and philanthropic purpose. We remember, above all, the career which the right hon. Gentleman has referred to, his devotion to the noble profession to which from his boyhood he belonged, and the great service which, while he followed his seaman's career, he rendered to his country. I do not know if I am going too far in saying this, but surely when we see how this Prince, so essentially British by birth, by training, by associations, by sympathies, by his whole career—when we see how he was able with the most perfect success to fill the role of a loyal, unimpeachable, and acceptable Gorman ruler—surely we may believe that there is something between these two great nations, some affinity, some element of homogeneity, which will triumph over every passing suspicion or passing jealousy, and over the narrow views of selfish men. Therefore it is with grateful feelings that we record our sense of the loss which both nations have, by this Prince's death, sustained, and while we thus think of the Queen and her Royal House, and of the nation, we do not forgot the widowed Duchess of Coburg and her daughters, and we tender to them our respectful sympathy. I beg, Sir, to second the motion. Resolved, nemine contradicente, That an humble Address be presented to Her Majesty to express the deep concern of this House at the great loss which Her Majesty has sustained by the death of His Royal Highness the Duke of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha, Duke of Edinburgh, K.G., second son of Her Majesty the Queen, and to condole with Her Majesty on this melancholy occasion; to assure Her Majesty that this House will ever feel the warmest interest in whatever concerns Her Majesty's domestic relations; and to declare the ardent wishes of this House for the happiness of Her Majesty and her family. —(Mr. A.J. Balfour.)

    To be presented by Privy Councillors and Members of Her Majesty's Household.

    Resolved, nemine contradicente, That this House do condole with Her Royal and Imperial Highness the Duchess of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha, Duchess of Edinburgh, on the great loss which she has sustained by the death of His Royal Highness the Duke of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha, Duke of Edinburgh, K.G.—( Mr. A. J. Balfour.)

    Ordered, That a message of condolence be sent to Her Royal and Imperial Highness the Duchess of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha, Duchess of Edinburgh, and that Mr. Speaker do communicate the said message to Her Majesty's Minister resident at the Court of Saxony and Saxe-Coburg and Gotha, with a request that he will attend Her Royal and Imperial Highness the Duchess of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha, Duchess of Edinburgh, for the sake of conveying it to Her Royal and Imperial Highness.—( Mr. A. J. Balfour.)

    Supply 22Nd Allotted Day

    Considered in Committee.

    (In the Committee.)

    [Mr. J. W. LOWTHER (Cumberland, Penrith) in the Chair].

    Civil Service Estimates, 1900–1901

    Class Ii

    1. Motion made, and Question proposed, "That a sum, not exceeding £45,501, be granted to Her Majesty, to complete the sum necessary to defray the charge which will come in course of payment during the year ending on the 31st day of March, 1901, for the salaries and expenses of the Department of Her Majesty's Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs."

    Some hon. Members may take the view that it is possible and useful on this occasion to discuss our foreign relations in the ordinary sense of the word, but I confess it would be difficult for me to imagine an occasion more unsuitable than the present for a general discussion on the state of our foreign relations. Our relations with foreign Powers have been described to us very recently by the Prime Minister in language to which reference was made in the debate yesterday in the remarkable speech of the right hon. Gentleman the Member for West Monmouth. I agree that if we had a serious discussion on the alarming state of things revealed it might not conduce to the continuation of those good relations which now exist in the neighbourhood of Peking, and to the advance towards Peking to which the country attaches so much importance at the present time. But although this is not an occasion on which we can properly discuss our foreign relations generally, still we may usefully ask questions in order to elucidate the policy of the Government. To discuss that policy, to try and probe it to the bottom, and to try and throw the responsibility where ultimately it will be thrown would not conduce to those good relations between the allied Powers which we all desire to have continued, especially at the present moment, when we are executing allied operations in China under circumstances of the greatest gravity. A Blue-book which was lately laid before the House shows certain symptoms of difference on certain points, and indicates certain temporary divergences between the allied Powers; and for us to insist on taking advantage of any rifts that may appear would be, I confess, a task which I for one should not attempt to undertake, and which would not be to the interest of the country. Of course, in China, as generally, it is impossible to avoid seeing the obvious fact that our foreign relations are at this moment coloured by our colonial affairs, and that the war in South Africa must have a marked effect on our diplomacy throughout the world. There are only two questions to which I will call the attention of the Committee before I come to a matter on which I wish to ask the judgment of the Committee. These two matters appear to have grown out of our situation in South Africa. A statement has been made during this session by the Government with regard to Corea which may have the gravest consequences in the future, and which I think ought not to pass without some statement on the present occasion, which is the first occasion on which the Foreign Office Estimates have been taken since that statement was I made. There was not in actual words any great difference between what was said by the present Under Secretary for Foreign Affairs and what was said some years ago by the hon. Baronet for the Berwick Division; but there is a difference in tone which I confess appears to me to be marked, and I shall be very glad indeed if the Under Secretary for Foreign Affairs is able to-day to remove the impression which has been produced in the minds of a good many hon. Members on both sides of the House. The Committee will remember that at the time when this country evacuated Port Hamilton, long negotiations took place in which Her Majesty's Government were concerned, they not being negotiations between China and Russia alone. As a result of those negotiations, there was laid before the House of Commons a Parliamentary Paper which showed that Russia had made a promise to China—which we noted and informed Parliament of—to the effect that Russia would not occupy at any future time any Corean territory. The late Under Secretary for Foreign Affairs was asked questions at various times as to whether, under the altogether I changed circumstances, that promise was still binding, and he made a distinct, statement which it is unnecessary for me to quote—he is present and will correct me if I am wrong—that that promise was in the middle of 1895 still binding, and there was no reason to suppose that down to the present year it had in any way ceased to be binding. But when the present Under Secretary for Foreign Affairs was asked not very long ago a question on the matter, I confess I thought he went rather out of his way, in a manner which the form of question did not render necessary, to state that the assurance given by Russia was not an assurance given to Her Majesty's Government, but an assurance given to another Power; and although I still hope he may be able to remove the impression which these words created, he will not deny the fact they did create an uneasy impression, and that they in some degree weakened the position as it was left by the Parliamentary Paper and the assurances of the hon. Baronet. He seemed to imply that an assurance given to China under the circumstances was not an assurance given to us, and did not form in any sense a guarantee to us as regards the future. It was called a guarantee in the "Map of Europe by Treaty," which is generally looked upon as a semi-official publication. I need hardly suggest to the Committee the notorious fact that most of our Far-Eastern guarantees, both territorial and for our trade, depend upon assurances of this kind which have been given to other Powers, and which we have always treated as being substantially given also to ourselves. The other of the two matters I wished to mention in this connection concerns the recent agreement with Germany, known as the Samoan Agreement. There also South Africa has played a very leading part. The Samoan Agreement is one which at first sight appears to be satisfactory to Australia and New Zealand as regards their trade, because the islands named are covered by an extension of the Free Trade provisions which have previously concerned islands subject to an arrangement between Germany and ourselves. But that feeling of satisfaction is not entertained in Australia and New Zealand—for this reason. This freedom of trade has been broken down in practice by a licence system. These licences are nominally given to the subjects of all Powers, but in practice Australians and New Zealanders engaged in trade in the islands have found that the licences are refused, for one reason or another, to firms in which there is not a German manager. Unless firms, nominally New Zealand or Australian, have German managers or German capital it is very difficult for them to obtain these licences, and the freedom of trade provisions are thus rendered nugatory. The Prime Minister of New Zealand has made a very important declaration on this point. He shares the view I have put before the Committee that it is our South African embarrassments which have caused us to conclude this agreement, and he has said that there can be no doubt that had a council of the colonies been held it would have averted what he believed was inimical to Australia and New Zealand—namely, the Samoan Agreement. In that agreement the Germans give up something to which they had no right. They give up their rights in Tonga, where they have never had any rights at all. The worst point in the agreement, in my opinion, is that which concerns the two Solomon Islands which are picked out as our share and given by Germany to us. These islands are inhabited by a population probably always ferocious, but the feelings of which toward Europeans have not been improved by the kidnapping of their people through the help of bribes to chiefs, which has been carried on for many years partly by our own countrymen, but largely by the subjects of other Powers. The bad point to which I wish to refer is that under the agreement the Germans are to continue to enlist labour in these islands, although they are nominally under British protection, and to carry on this practice of kidnapping. I have now finished these general remarks. If I were dealing with the matter more widely I should endeavour to convey to the Committee my sense of the crudity of these attempts to patch up our relations with the German people by little sacrifices of this kind. The whole Government policy towards Germany, with its occasional proclamations of an alliance which does not exist, and occasional attempts to secure an alliance in a mode calculated to defeat its own object, might be made matter of remark, but I prefer to confine myself to these two cases, in which I cannot but think our South African embarrassments have gravely influenced our policy in a way which is open to the comments I have made. I will now pass to a matter upon which I wish to take the judgment of the Committee to-day. It is a matter which several of us mentioned last year, and upon which we should then have taken the judgment of Parliament but for the fact that at a late period in the debate a complete surrender, as we thought, to our views was made by the Government. It did not enter my mind that it would be necessary to raise the question this year. It seemed to me that we had accomplished our object, and obtained all we asked for. No doubt I interpreted the words of the Chancellor of the Exchequer in a wide, but still in that generous sense in which we always interpret declarations of Ministers in this House—generous, that is, in the sense of seeing in those declarations a little more than the words actually used, and believing that when the probability of a settlement is announced in cheerful tones a settlement is really and closely in view. It is the matter of Waima to which I refer. It is a case in which there has been dreadful delay, and under circumstances which reflect upon the national honour. It was the case fourteen months ago, and, therefore, still more is it the case now, that the time had come for a settlement. Personally, I feel that, unless we can settle this matter tonight, it is useless for us to bring it before the House of Commons year after year. It is a small matter, but it is one of great importance from its bearing on the manner in which statements in Parliament are to be interpreted——

    *THE UNDER SECRETARY OF STATE FOR FOREIGN AFFAIRS
    (Mr. BRODDRIVK, Surrey, Guildford)

    Perhaps I can save the right hon. Baronet going further into the matter. I have a statement to make with regard to Waima which I think will be satisfactory to the whole Committee.

    I am very glad to hear it, and I will not go into the details of the matter. I will simply say that last year the Chancellor of the Exchequer, in the debate on the 9th June, used these words—the Committee will by them be able to judge whether the statement of the Under Secretary tonight is of a sufficiently definite character to render it unnecessary to continue the debate on this point—

    "This is a case in which compensation has been demanded from the French Government, but until the last few days we have had no real reason to suppose that the request for compensation would be favourably considered by the French Government."
    And then he made an announcement in the following words—
    "I am happy to be able to say that very recently we have had reason to believe that this matter may be favourably considered by the French Government."
    I hope we shall have to-night an absolutely definite statement that this matter has been arranged. After that debate £200 was given by the Chancellor of the Exchequer—£80 to the family of one of the officers, and £60 each to the families of two others who were killed on that occasion—but I do not know that any relief has been given to the dependents of the sergeant-major of the West Indian Regiment or of the seventeen non-commissioned officers and men who were killed or severely wounded. However that may be, the sum of £200 was given, and now there has been these fourteen months further delay. On the 17th May the Under Secretary was asked how matters were progressing, and he then stated that we had sent a note to France, but had had no reply. On the 28th June the hon. Member for the Leek Division asked for a copy of the despatch of the 29th March which had been addressed to the French Government on the subject; but that despatch was not given. What I gather has occurred is this: In January we had already reached the point of having said there should be arbitration on this question, but another case, that of the detention of a ship on the Niger, had been mixed up with it. In January we accepted the principle of arbitration on that case also, and £5,000 was fixed as the lower limit of the amount of money we might be called upon to pay. In March the upper limit of £8,000 was accepted, but I believe in the despatch asked for it was found that again another case, that of Lieutenant Mizon in 1892, had been mixed up in the matter. I wish the Under Secretary to make it clear to us whether this case is now to be considered by itself or mixed up with other cases. I hope a definite announcement will be made that the matter will not be left as it has been, so that we may not feel that, while we paid more or less cheerfully and at once £10,000 in connection with Uganda in regard to a matter which occurred much later than this, and in which we have never admitted we were in the wrong, yet this matter is allowed to drag on from December, 1893, notwithstanding the statement of last year to which I have referred. I beg to move the reduction of the Vote by £100, but, of course, I shall withdraw the motion if the statement of the hon. Gentleman is satisfactory. Motion made, and Question proposed, "That Item A (Salaries) be reduced by £100 in respect of the salary of the Secretary of State."—(Sir Charles Dilke.)

    I have heard with great pleasure the announcement that this Waima case is in course of settlement. It is a very serious case, and has dragged on for a very long time. I brought it repeatedly before the House myself from 1893 to 1895. I am glad to know now that that is going to be settled in a satisfactory way. With regard to the conditions which very seriously affect British commerce and manufactures in the Ottoman Empire I should like to say a few words. We go very far afield in search of commerce. Our difficulties in China are practically caused by the commercial enterprise of our people, and yet for a long period of years we have been neglecting, and I am afraid we are still neglecting, a very large field which is much nearer and far more easy of access for British commerce and manufactures. There are two or three cases that I should like to bring to the attention of the House which are of great interest to British manufacturers at the present moment, as showing the difficulties with which they have to contend. One case I have endeavoured to bring to the attention of my right hon. friend by the unsatisfactory method of question and answer, but without much success. I refer to the re-armament of the Turkish fleet. The history of this case in itself summarises the difficulties with which British traders have to contend. The Ottoman Government invited tenders for the re-armament of a certain number of Turkish war-ships. The English tenders were £80,000 below the German tenders, and our guns are said to be better, longer, and to carry further than German guns—I may say that I am not connected with this business and have no interest whatever in it—although that tender was made and the Turkish Minister of Marine was strongly in favour of giving that contract to the British firm, great pressure was brought to bear upon the Turkish Government by the highest influence in Germany. The decision was held over and an opportunity given for the German firm to tender again. The German firm reduced their tender, and the English firm reduced its tender, with the result that there was the same difference in the tenders. The English tender was still £80,000 lower. In spite of that the British firm was unable to get the order, and the last I heard of it was that tremendous pressure was being brought to bear upon the Turkish Government to give their order to the German firm. It is not fair that British manufacturers should be subjected to this kind of political competition, and if it is continued I hope the British Minister at Constantinople will be asked not merely to make one casual representation, but to make constant and vigorous representations upon this subject. I make no complaint as to the action of our Ambassador at Constantinople, who, I believe, is fully alive to the course of events. I merely wish to call the attention of the right, hon. Gentleman to the fact that this unfair German pressure is being continued. In connection with railway construction there is an enormous field open to British manufacturers; there is, perhaps, no other country in the world which offers such an opening for railway construction that would so benefit the people of the country itself and outside communities as the Ottoman Empire. There is no country in the world where railway construction would do so much good to improve the condition of the people at large and those interested in commerce. There is a railway which everybody has heard of for years—the Bagdad Railway, or the Euphrates Valley Railway. The competition for the Euphrates Railway has been going on the last thirty years, and lately has been renewed. British contractors undertook to construct that railway on terms which would have been advantageous to all concerned. What is the result? The English offer was far more advantageous than the German offer, but, owing to the great political pressure which Germany brought to bear, the British firms were pushed entirely out of the field, and the Germans obtained the concession. And what did they do? They took advantage of their position to double the former estimate for the railway, and they have demanded of Turkey an enormous kilometric guarantee amounting to £1,000,000 a year. This is twice as much as is needed, and is only asked in order to swell the profits of the: German financers. Such demands as the successful Germans are making are impossible for Turkey to bear, and only render the construction of the railway practically impossible, and cause great injury to trade and greater injury to British manufacturers. I hold that the influence of our Government ought to have been more strongly asserted in support of the British capitalists who were endeavouring to obtain that concession. After Germany had obtained this concession, what else happened?—and this is a far more serious matter. The Russians, not to be outdone, came down and put more political pressure upon the Turkish Government in order to obtain the monopoly to construct all the northern lines in a large district of Asia Minor, and by the mobilisation of an army of 100,000 men upon the Turkish frontier, they succeeded. They have obtained the monopoly for railway construction in the whole of northern Asia Minor, where there are districts of great wealth. It would be an enormous boon to the people if railways are constructed; but the Russians have no money to construct them, and do not intend to do so. Everybody else is debarred, because of the monopoly which has been created, and a great injury will be inflicted upon Turkey, and upon British commerce and manufacture. There is railway construction to the amount of from £20,000,000 to £50,000,000 to be done in Turkey, and it is all being lost to British manufacture. I have ventured to go into some detail, because these are questions of great importance; but the question upon which I wish to trouble the House to-night—and it is a question which excites universal interest in this country —is the condition of affairs in China. We have indeed reason to be grateful that the news which has reached this country during the last few days is of a more satisfactory and cheerful character than most people could have anticipated a few weeks or even days ago. There is not a Member of this House who will not rejoice to know that the Ministers of the Powers at Peking are, so far as we know to-day, in a state of comparative safety. But, although we are relieved from the immediate and most grievous anxiety with regard to their condition, yet the position is still serious and is not likely to diminish in gravity as the allied or British forces go up to Peking. Many of us have been surprised during the past eight weeks at the delays which have occurred at taking active measures for the relief of the beleaguered Ministers and Europeans in Peking. This is the 2nd of August. Eight weeks have now elapsed since the world knew that the situation was one of extreme seriousness, and certainly seven weeks have now elapsed since it was known that the position of the Legations was one of extreme peril; still no serious attempt was made for their relief, although now at last it seems possible that a forward movement has begun. Why has this long delay taken place in the expedition for the relief of the Legations and the Europeans in Peking? Why were not steps taken earlier to seek the active help of the only Power who could send a force immediately to their relief—Japan? The first distinct request to Japan was made on the 25th of June. Why was not that request made three weeks earlier, when the gravity of the position was known, and why was it not pressed more actively? We are now over five weeks from that date, and, so far as we know, no considerable Japanese force is yet on its way to Peking. It would have been possible, if the Government had made clear representations to Japan that she would have been sure of support from this country in case of her taking action, for the Japanese forces to have reached Peking at the outside within four weeks. The British despatch of 6th July, guaranteeing support to Japan, ought to have been sent on 8th June. As it has turned out, the most awful and terrible catastrophe which we feared had taken place has been most mercifully avoided, but the question of delay is one which I feel justified in pressing upon the attention of the House, and one with regard to which we are entitled to have some explanation. The right hon. Baronet the Member for the Forest of Dean in his speech deprecated any reference to the difficulties of the political position in China for reasons which he did not explain in detail, but in general terms he dreaded the endangering of the-so-called Concert of Europe. The right hon. Baronet has a very good reason for trying to defend "the Concert of Europe," because that interesting fiction originated at the period when he was Under Secretary for Foreign Affairs in the Government of Mr. Gladstone. Then we heard for the first time of what I call the mischievous fiction of the Concert of Europe put forward as a serious item of political belief. I hold that what is called the Concert of Europe is the curse of all our dealings with those Eastern questions, and is likely to prove a still greater danger than it has been in the past. I hold it for this reason: "the Concert" is a chimera. It does not exist. There is no real concert, and there can be no real concert. To suppose that British policy in China can be identified with Russian policy, or even French policy, is to blind ourselves to the essential conditions of the whole Chinese problem. History in the past has shown the absurdity of this effort. Whenever we have tried to adapt our policy to the Concert of Europe we have failed. Between 1880 and 1885 Mr. Gladstone's Government failed in everything through trusting to this fictitious Concert. Again, we have had examples in recent times under the Government of Lord Rosebery and under the present Government, from 1893 to 1898, when the same Concert was tried with the same result of failure. We saw what happened in regard to the Armenian policy, the Greek policy, and the Cretan policy of the British Governments. All these were based upon the alleged Concert of Europe, which never existed, and which led to infinite trouble and suffering to our protégés, a great deal of disgrace for England, and to war. It was only when the Government cut themselves adrift from the will-o'-the-wisp of a Concert that we achieved the real successes of Fashoda and South Africa. I say deliberately that if the Government are basing their policy in China upon the supposed Concert of Europe, which does not and cannot exist, they are bound to end in grievous danger, and probably in war. No other result can happen. Ministers may blind themselves for a time. They may blind a large number of the Members of this House and a great proportion of the people of this country by a phrase which is always agreeable and tickling to the palate. Representatives of either Front Bench are fond of deceiving themselves with it, and especially the right hon. Baronet, who always says ditto to the Front Bench on any question of the Concert of Europe. However much Ministers may blind themselves and the country they are bound to end in disappointment and disaster. The position of affairs in China shows that we have come to the parting of the ways in our policy towards that country. It will be impossible after this present revo- lution or rising is put down for this country to allow affairs to go on in China in their old course of drift. There has been nothing but drift in our policy towards China for the last seven years. It will be necessary for the Government to have a policy in China—a clear and defined policy. They will have to adopt a policy based not on the supposed Concert of Europe, which does not exist, and never will exist, but upon all the support they can get from the Great Powers whose interests are the same as theirs and whose views coincide with theirs. We began the policy of drift in China in 1893, when gentlemen on that bench allowed Japan to be driven out of the Liao-Tung peninsula. That paved the way for the present troubles. I believe some of the then Ministers agreed with reluctance to allow Russia to have her way; but they actually did permit Japan to be driven out of the strong positions she had so gallantly conquered. Russia actually expelled Japan from Port Arthur on the hypocritical excuse that it was dangerous for any other Power than China to have possession of Port Arthur. The next crisis came under the present Government, and it was when the Russsan Government requested that our men-of-war should be removed from Port Arthur. This Government allowed our men-of-war to be removed. The Russian Government solemnly stated that they had no design upon Port Arthur, a pledge soon to be deliberately broken by the Czar. That was the second stage in the great policy of drift. It has been going on since. Everyone who looks to what has happened in China must realise that Her Majesty's Government have had no real, determined, and defined policy with regard to that country. Unless the Chinese question is to be opened up in all its vastness and dangers, and unless we are to have throughout the length and breadth of China 400,000,000 people rising against every form of European civilisation, and certain Great Powers struggling to get a hold over China which will keep our commerce out of the country, the British Government must have a clear policy in this matter. What is that policy to be? I venture to say that the time has come —and herein I differ from the right hon. Baronet—for Members of this House who have clear views upon this subject to express them, and to try to induce the Government to adopt a policy which seems to them to be wise in the interests of this country, and for the maintenance of the general peace of the world. There are only two policies, I venture to say, possible in China for the future. I put on one side the policy of drift as hopeless and as unworthy of consideration. The two policies which I venture to describe as possible with regard to China are, firstly, deliberate partition, and, secondly, the maintenance of the independence and the integrity of the Chinese Empire. There are various phases of the partition policy if you like. You may call it a sphere of influence or occupation, but sooner or later it is bound to result in a partition policy. I know that such a policy, in a modified form, is advocated by certain hon. Members. The hon. Member for Chester and his friends have been, in a sort of tentative way, advocating a policy of partition in China. I hold that that policy is most inadvisable and most dangerous. I want to deal at as close quarters as possible with the difficulties into which those hon. Members, I think from want of knowledge, are gradually drifting. They are advocating what they call a Yang-tsze-Kiang Protectorate or sphere of influence. They want us to treat northern China as lost, and they say, "Make up for the loss of northern China by getting possession, so far as we can, of the great central valley of China, which lies around the Yang-tsze river." If that policy were practicable there might be a good deal to be said for it, but it is no use proposing to yourself a policy which you are unable to carry out. Let me ask my hon. friends one or two questions on this subject, and see how they are prepared to deal with the practical difficulties. What you would have to do would be to establish a protectorate over nearly 200,000,000 people. You would have to be prepared to set up in central China another India, and to have an army of 250,000 men to maintain your power there, or to try to maintain your power. I do not think you would lie able to maintain that policy. It is a policy that would set the whole of China against you at once. It is most dangerous, therefore, on that account. It would unify China against this country, and perhaps against all the Powers of Europe. The United States is against such a policy. It is a policy that would set the United States against us, because the United States have made declarations against any territorial partition of China. I doubt very much whether it is a policy for which you would get the support of the German Emperor, and without German support you could not undertake a policy of that kind. The most serious difficulty in relation to this policy, and one with which I have never seen any attempt to deal——

    I am sorry to interrupt my hon. friend, but I have never advocated the partition of China.

    I dealt with that contradiction of my hon. friend in my opening remarks with reference to him, but I am afraid they did not receive from him the attention which I hoped they might have done. Though my hon. friend may not use the word "partition" of China, and may even repudiate it, as he has just now done, yet his policy of a sphere of interest or influence, or whatever you like to call it, in the Yang-tsze valley must in the long run, if it means anything at all, and if it is not mere empty verbiage, come to a protectorate. If the hon. Gentleman can get out of that difficulty, I shall be very glad to hear how he does it. He cannot get out of that. He can only indulge in vague generalities. Perhaps he does not mean partition, but in order to maintain a sphere of interest or influence, or practical British commercial preponderance in the Yang-tsze valley, which is what he means, he can only maintain it by a great army and an administrative organisation. I do not think this country is prepared yet, at all events, to sot up a second India in the heart of China. The point I wish to put to the House is that the Yang-tsze-Kiang valley is, from the military point of view, very indefensible. There are no effective strategical positions from which you can defend it against attack from the north. What does a protectorate over the Yang-tsze valley mean to us? It means that the north of China, with a population numbering anything from 50,000,000 to 100,000,000, is to lie abandoned to Russia. What will Russia do then? The first thing that Russia does in any country over which she gets control is to introduce conscription. She will make the Chinese of northern China into splendid soldiers, and we have seen that the Chinese can fight when they are pushed to it. The north of China will be turned into a great recruiting ground for Russia, and in the course of a few years we shall have to face an army of half a million Chinese, disciplined, armed, and led by Russia. What will become of my hon. friend the Member for Chester and his school then? Where will they set up their line of defence? How will they guard the Yang-tsze valley against these vast forces from the north? These are the practical questions which everybody who wishes to regard the future of China from a practical point of view must consider. You cannot divide China without setting up an enormous organisation and army in the centre of China if you intend to hold it. Even then you will not be able to hold it, because the military power of Russia in the north will be so much greater than your own, and will be more unscrupulously directed and worked than you can ever hope to work your defence. For these reasons I hold that the policy of partition, protectorate, sphere of interest, or whatever you like to call it, is impracticable, and ought to be resisted by this House. Now I come to the alternative policy—that of maintaining the independence and integrity of China. The House is committed to this policy already. The hon. Member opposite smiles. Why should he laugh?

    If the hon. Member wishes to know why I laughed, it was because that policy has already been abandoned.

    Then the laugh of the hon. Member is based on want of information. I deny that the policy of maintaining the independence of China has been abandoned by Her Majesty's Government. There may have been some signs of abandonment and some mistakes committed, but if the hon. Member will examine what has been done by this country and by Germany, and even by France, in regard to China, he will find that at all events the formal integrity of China has been recognised, because all the occupations of territory have been in the nature of leases. The same safeguard applies less to the action of Russia at Port Arthur, although even there the form of lease has been observed. Our great mistake was, of course, in allowing Russia to establish herself there, and that action will continue to have a disastrous effect in China until it is undone. Her Majesty's Government have not yet abandoned the policy of maintaining the independence and integrity of China, and I sincerely hope they will not abandon it. They are committed to it, and it is the only policy in which they can hope to succeed. It is a policy which will bring to their support the 400,000,000 people of China; it is a policy which will get for them the support of Japan, which is all important, because Japan holds the key of the position; it is a policy which will get for them the support of the. United States, which also is important; and it is a policy which will, I believe, get for them the support of the German Empire and of its great ruler. No. Power could upset such a combination as that. We have been told that Manchuria is absolutely lost, that Russia has it already. I deny it. Recent events show that Russian military control over that province is comparatively slight, and that it rests upon a very precarious foundation. A distinct statement on the part of Her Majesty's Government that further inroads upon the integrity of China would, not be permitted would have the effect of at once stopping this aggression on the part of Russia. There is one other subject to which it is necessary to refer in dealing with this question, and that is the influence which a certain Great Power has for some time exerted in China, and which, I believe, is responsible very largely for the present unfortunate revolution in that country. The policy of our great rival in China is exactly the policy that it has been for many years pursuing in Turkey. Russia desires to maintain. China in a state of bad government and rottenness. That is a fact which the Government have to deal with in any arrangements they make for the future. I shall probably be denounced for making; this statement; it will be called a provocative statement; but it is well the truth should be known. This Boxer movement in its initiatory stages has been encouraged; one of the objects of this Great Power being to break up Sir Robert Hart's wonderful organisation, which is one of the great civilising influences in China. The object—I do not say of the Russian Government itself but of the emissaries of our great rival in China—has been to break up that organisation of 8,000 subordinates, who have been by degrees trained under that distinguished Englishman to a service which is unique in the East and which has conferred great benefits upon China. With the object of breaking up Sir Robert Hart's organisation this revolutionary agitation was for a considerable time encouraged. If any hon. Member thinks this impossible or improbable I beg him to read over again the history of the Armenian troubles in Turkey, where he will find that exactly the same influence was used that is now being used in China. The whole of the Russian press of late has been denouncing any interference with Chinese government, except only in the relief of the Legations. It has been saying that China is more important to Russia than the whole of Europe; it has been advocating a refusal to co-operate with this country in any attempt to improve the government or to alter the conditions of life in China. These are very serious facts, and they are facts which I hope the Government will bear in mind. Another point to which I wish briefly to refer is the question of missionaries. Much undeserved opprobrium has been cast upon the action of missionaries in China. I believe they have done, and are doing, a great work in China, although, no doubt, there may have been some indiscretions. If the truth were known I fancy it would be seen that Chinese jealous is directed against our traders quite as much as, or even more than, against our missionaries. I regretted to read the sort of lecture which the Prime Minister gave to missionaries at St. James's Hall, and I am bound to say that if I had been a missionary I should have been disposed to retort that the withdrawal of our men-of-war from Fort Arthur at the dictation of Russia was a far more serious blow to British influence and to civilisation in China than any action of missionaries possibly could be. I hope in the movement now being made towards Peking by our troops great care will be taken to dissociate our soldiers from any acts of violent inhumanity towards the non-combatant Chinese. I sincerely hope that the words of "no quarter,' which have been attributed to the German Emperor, have boon attributed to him in mistake, and that no such spirit will lie allowed to animate our troops. I say this not merely on ground of philanthropy and humanity, but because the influence of similar cruelty on the part of Russian troops in China has already been most disastrous. There is evidence to show that fearful barbarities have been displayed towards Chinese non-combatants, and if we make this a war à outrance similar practices will be continued. I sincerely hope Her Majesty's Government has taken special care to instruct the British generals in command to see that nothing of this kind is done by their troops. I apologise for having taken up so much of the time of the House, but I trust that what the House has given me the opportunity of saying may have some good result. I hope, above all, that not only will our Legation and the Legations of Europe be relieved as soon as possible, but also with as little loss as possible, and I hope this terrible outbreak in China will prove to be a turning point in the history of that country, and in the policy of Her Majesty's Government towards China. I hope that policy will be a clear and distinct policy of reform, based upon maintaining the independence and upon checking the partition of China.

    said he was one of those who thought that while matters were in such a critical condition the less that was said about China the better. After the very pointed attack made upon him by his hon. friend, and the extraordinary manner in which he had misrepresented his views, perhaps the House would allow him to say a few words in reply. In the first place, he wished to say that he had never heard a more mischievous speech than that which had fallen from his hon. friend. So far as he understood it, the speech of his hon. friend was a deliberate and venomous attack upon Russia. Those who had read the Blue-book on China which had just been issued were aware that Russia had behaved in a manner that must receive the approval of everybody. Russia was approached in reference to the sending of Japanese troops, and she raised no objection whatever, although it was known that there must be a certain amount of jealousy subsisting between Russia and Japan. He thought the sentiments upon this question which were contained in the speech of M. Del- casse expressed the views of the majority of the British nation. That was the spirit in which he would ask his hon. friend to approach this question. His hon. friend had misrepresented the views which he and others held by saying they advocated the partition of China. That was not the case. Their argument had been that if China was to be divided we must see that that portion of the country which contained the largest portion of our interests should not be allowed to pass under the control of any other Power, but should remain under the control of China herself. In these conditions it was quite possible that a reformed China might issue from those central provinces, and might in time be able to recover the provinces taken from her. When the Powers got to Peking they would have to decide what indemnity was to be exacted from China for the various crimes that had been committed, and for the attacks made upon property, and other matter of that kind. An indemnity could only be obtained in two ways. One was by territory and the other by money, He hoped that no Power would ask for indemnity in the shape of territory. Then came the difficulty. How were they to get money from a Power which was practically bankrupt? Her revenues were mortgaged up to the hilt, and there was no surplus, and to raise the money would be the most difficult thing in the world. The whole crux of the question was the reform of China. Under a system of reform there would be a very large margin of revenue left, which might be applied to the payment of the indemnity. He thought he was correct in saying that there was at least a leakage of £25,000,000 per annum in the taxes, which ought to go into the Imperial Treasury, but which made its way into the pockets of the Mandarins and other officials. That money could only be obtained by reform. The whole question was bound up in reform. No doubt his hon. friend would say that England would find Russia against her, and that other countries would be opposed to these reforms. He remembered M. Delcassé said that China should be left open for the free play of the capital and the intelligence of the world. We had also recently had the pronouncement of the German Emperor upon this question. He had long hoped that the time might arrive—and he believed this crisis would help it on—when we would see reforms carried on throughout China which would give a new life to the Chinese Empire and revivify the corpse whose approaching dissolution had been productive of the greatest danger to the peace of the world. He apologised for having addressed those few observations, but in conclusion there was one urgent matter with which he should like to deal. In regard to the sufferers in the Waima case, he had heard with the greatest satisfaction that his right hon. friend would be able to say that an arrangement had been arrived at for the payment of compensation. He wished to remind the right hon. Gentleman that the relatives of those sufferers, although they did not come forward as a question of charity at all, were in many cases in a position more or less of destitution and want, and this was a state of things which he was sure the House would be sorry to see. He did not think he was using too strong language in describing this position, and he would ask his right hon. friend whether he could not see his way to get an advance made to those people from the Government, in view of the somewhat lengthy time which must elapse before the compensation was paid. An immediate advance would greatly assist all these poor people. Amongst the sufferers in the Waima case were several native soldiers. They were members of this Empire, and their lives had been taken in the service of the Queen. He thought, therefore, that compensation ought to be given, and he hoped Her Majesty's Government would not lose sight of this fact.

    I quite agree with my hon. friend in regard to the question of reform. I had this question on my notes to deal with more fully, and I thoroughly agree as to its-vital importance. I wish to couple the reform and independence of China together.

    Sir, I rise merely to associate myself with a good deal of what has fallen from the hon. Gentleman the Member for Chester who spoke last. On the subject of Waima I share his satisfaction in the statement which has already been promised by the right hon. Gentleman the Under Secretary for Foreign Affairs. He told us that he was sure his statement would be satisfactory to the whole House. If that is so, it means, of course, that it is a statement which assures the prospect of some relief to those who suffered in the Waima case; and if that is so, I associate myself with the appeal of the hon. Member for Chester to Her Majesty's Government to take into their most favourable consideration whether, if the prospect of relief, though assured, is delayed by further discussion, they cannot expedite at any rate some portion of the relief in this case. I also agree, Sir, that this is not a very good time for reviewing the field of politics with reference to China. The hon. Member for the Ecclesall Division always speaks with such boldness on foreign affairs that he covered a great deal more ground than I am disposed to follow him upon. He seemed to provide some amusement for the hon. Member below the gangway when he alluded to the integrity of China. I think I share the amusement of the hon. Member below the gangway, because I think the amusement was caused not at all by the absurdity of the phrase, but by the recollection of the past history of this question and of language which has been used in previous years from the Government Bench. We have heard in previous years a great deal said about the integrity of China, and a great deal also about Port Arthur, about the withdrawal of our own ships, and about our right to scud our ships there again whenever we pleased, which has come to look very pale in the light of events. When one thinks of the past history of this question, one cannot but feel how enormously wrong has been the estimate of the state of affairs, with regard to China, which has been made, I do not say by Her Majesty's Government alone, but by all the Governments who have been mostly concerned with the question. At any rate, I do not think it can fairly be said that the previous Government was responsible for anything that has been the cause of the present rising in China. The causes of the present rising in China are undoubtedly to be found in what has occurred in recent years. I do not blame Her Majesty's Government for that, because they have not led the way in this matter. The causes are now surely obvious to everybody. One cause has been the wrong estimate that has been formed of the condition of China—the idea that China was ripe for partition, that great liberties could be taken, and that large slices of territory could be acquired. That has brought its own Nemesis. I think we ought to remember also that it is not solely the territorial changes in China which are probably responsible for the present rising. There is a great deal not only of anti-foreign, but also of real anti-Christian feeling, at the bottom of the present trouble. There will always be difficulties in connection with missionary enterprise in China. Directly the missionaries acquire an official status, and directly the Chinese feel that the Christian converts cease to. Sympathise with the needs and customs of the village communities in which they live, there will always be difficulty and friction. I do not think the blame lies with our own missionaries in this respect, but we ought to bear in mind that missionary enterprise in China must be carefully conducted without breaking up the local feeling of Chinese communities in the country. As to the punishment which should be exacted for what has occurred, we have been greatly relieved during the last few days as to the prospects at Peking when the allied forces get there. I assume, no doubt the advance towards Peking will be proceeded with as speedily as possible and, without unnecessary delay. But when the advance has been successful the question of punishment will present great difficulties. Territorial indemnity, I hope, is out of the question. Pecuniary indemnity to be anything like adequate must be on an enormous scale, and I think our first object should be rather to discover who in high places have been responsible for the damage done, and make the punishment a personal punishment, in the first instance. Beyond that, surely our hope will be that the outcome of the present troubles may be a better Government for China in the future; and, if there is to be a better Government there will be great difficulty in getting reform and seeing it has a fair chance. It is to our interest that the Government of China should be independent and strong, and a better Government than it has been in the past. But it is not our business, nor the business of the other Powers, to attempt to set up that Government. It must be formed by the Chinese themselves as the outcome of,' their agitation. If it is to be formed by- any foreign Power it will be dependent on that Power, and will not be successful. The other point is that I trust the Government will be successful in keeping themselves free from any further inland territorial acquisition in China of any kind, and may be successful in co-operating with other Powers in accepting that point of view. The hon. Member for the Ecclesall Division deprecated my defending the policy of the Concert of the Powers. The hon. Member has constantly in this House advocated a good understanding with Germany. Here is the policy of the German Government as explained by Count von Billow himself—

    "The object we have in view is the restoration of security for the person and property and the work of subjects of the German Empire in China; the rescue of the foreigners besieged in Peking; the re-establishment and the safe-guarding of law and order under a proper Chinese Government; and retribution and satisfaction for the barbarities which have been perpetrated. We desire no partition of China, and we have no separate advantages for ourselves in view. The Imperial Government feels convinced that the maintenance of an understanding among the Powers is the preliminary condition of the restoration of peace and order in China, and the Imperial Government for its part will continue to attach in its policy the first importance to this standpoint."
    That is the policy of maintaining the Concert, and if the friendship of Germany is to be preserved we should all proclaim that we desire to preserve the Concert; therefore the hon. Member for the Ecclesall Division of Sheffield when he complains of the Concert is really defeating his other object, which is the maintenance of the friendship of Germany. The hon. Member goes so far as to advise that the Concert should be broken up.

    Certainly not; what I object to is basing your policy on a supposed Concert which does not exist.

    I always envy the hon. Member for the Ecclesall Division, because ho is so perfectly clear that foreign policy is a comparatively simple matter. He has a perfectly distinct policy of his own, and he is always certain that, if adopted, it would lead to successful results. I wish the matter were so clear and simple, because it seems continually that the hon. Member's real policy is not a Concert but an alliance with certain Powers to be entered into, maintained, strengthened, and enforced at the expense of some other Power. That is a policy which I think should only be adopted under extreme circumstances and never until a policy of general Concert has failed. I believe the Government desire to preserve the Concert, and I trust the other Powers are more agreed as to their aims in China now than in the past. The two hopeful things I see in the present situation are, first of all, that the result of this agitation and disturbance, after accounts have been settled with the Chinese Government, will be that something better may come to the top in China itself than has existed for some time past. If there are any signs of that—I do not think Her Majesty's Government should make themselves responsible for what any Government in China may do—I hope Her Majesty's Government will do what they can to encourage those signs and get a fair field for them. The second thing in which there is hope is that the lessons of the past two years may be taken to heart by the Powers interested, that the disintegration which people thought was proceeding apace may be arrested, and that all the Powers interested in China may be disposed to leave China to herself after adjusting accounts with her. Surely the lesson is obvious that there has been complete miscalculation with regard to the condition of China. Everyone must now be aware that, inert and helpless as China may be, she possesses a power of resistance and exasperation. If that be so, we may not be able to look for great improvement in China. If the various Powers interested are agreed, and will concentrate their minds on the agreement with each other—which means not merely that they should be agreed, but that they should trust each other—then they may concentrate their forces on the preservation of China, and developing peaceful and open trade in China. Trade is not to be promoted by territorial acquisition. The obstacle to trade has been the likin duties. If they were placed under an administration similar to that which deals with the maritime duties, the trade of China would be developed enormously. Internal reform is the direction in which the Powers should work, and I hope one result will be that peaceful and open trade may be promoted in this way, and that the idea of furthering political ambitions and exclusive possession may be laid aside entirely.

    A considerable number of questions have been raised in this discussion beyond those to which the hon. Baronet who has just spoken referred. With regard to the Waima incident, I quite admit there has been unfortunate delay, and I quite agree that small matters ought not to long in settlement between Great Powers. The French themselves have a saying, "Les bons compter font les bons amis," which is not inapplicable in the present instance. But I am glad to tell the hon. Gentleman and others interested in seeing that British subjects who have suffered should not go without compensation, that we have, in the last few hours, received from the French Government the acceptance of immediate arbitration in respect of compensation for the Waima incident. The French Government admit that compensation is due, and the arbitration is simply to settle the amount. On the other hand, Her Majesty's Government have admitted, with regard to the sinking of the ship "Sergent Malamine," that compensation is due from them, and arbitration will take place simultaneously as to the amount of compensation due, the minimum being £5,000, and the maximum £8,000 which the French Government were willing to accept. Compensation for relatives of the coloured troops who were killed in the Waima incident has been provided for. With regard to the temporary necessities of those who lost their relations, the Government will find means of giving some small further assistance pending the result of the arbitration. With regard to Korea, the right hon. Gentleman tried to establish some difference of opinion between the treatment of the subject in the present year and the treatment by the representatives of the Foreign Office in the past. The position is an easy one to state. I said the other day that the promise in regard to the occupation of territory in Korea by Russia was not given to Her Majesty's Government, but to a third Power—namely, China. That is so. The promise was given before the war, at a time when China was suzerain in Korea. After the war that suzerainty passed away from China; and Korea has had the power to give concessions to other Powers. She exercised that power and gave a concession to Russia, but not exclusively to Russia, because in almost identical terms, a similar concession was made to Japan. Japan was the Power chiefly concerned, and I think that, so far from the right hon. Gentleman calling on me to explain why Her Majesty's Government did not intervene, the onus lies on him to prove why we should intervene.

    I did not call upon the Government to intervene. I did not suggest that for a moment. I asked with the view of obtaining a reassuring statement. I did not call for any action at all, and I do not know of any circumstances where action is needed.

    The suggestion is that we have given up something which we ought to have retained.

    The difference between us is as to what occurred. It was a perfectly natural concession on the part of Korea, quite within her power; no international rights were affected by it, and in such a case Her Majesty's Government hold that they had no reason to intervene. Then my hon. friend the Member for the Ecclesall Division has brought up the old question of Turkey, and he made two propositions. He laid down that, both in the matter of concessions for railways and in the questions arising out of contracts with the Turkish Government, Her Majesty's Government have shown some remissness. I confess that I think, on these questions, my hon. friend is on rather dangerous ground in invoking continually the influence of Her Majesty's Ambassador. I would point out to him that the question of the contractors to whom a Government should give its contracts is really a question for that Government. Has it ever occurred to a foreign Government to ask my right hon. friend the First Lord of the Admiralty, if he gives a contract for a certain number of guns to one foreign contractor, that he should give a contract for an equal number to a contractor of theirs? I think that beyond friendly representation it is impossible for Her Majesty's Government to go. In the same way with regard to railway concessions. It is quite true that a concession was given to Germany, and Turkey, by a self-denying ordinance, we are informed, though we have no official information, decided that such railways as she may not make herself in Asia Minor she will give to Russia the preference of making. I am not going to argue the point; but, at all events, to represent, as my hon. friend did represent, this as a desertion of British trade and British manufactures by Her Majesty's Government——

    My point was that these concessions were not given as fair bargains, but were wrung from the Turkish Government by strong and unjust political pressure on the part of other Powers. And that I am prepared to prove.

    I have no information on that, nor have we any information as to the 100,000 men which Russia has, according to my hon. friend's statement, massed on the frontier of Turkey.

    Nor is it our business to interfere in matters of that kind. We are not the custodians of any concession which may be given by foreign Powers all over the world, but we desire to do the best we can for our own interests. I should like to answer at greater length the points brought forward with regard to the situation in China. I may say at once that I fully appreciate the consideration shown by right hon. Gentlemen opposite in their desire not to embarrass the Government at a very critical time. I do not think that it would be possible for any man to speak from this bench on a question such as that now proceeding in China without falling into difficulties on one side or the other. We have at this moment before us the not unprecedented, but still humiliating, fact that some 200 Englishmen, mostly at their post in the discharge of duty, have been asking for several weeks for that relief which up to now we have not been able to afford them. We have also the knowledge that, although the forces now massed at Tientsin are very large, they belong to six different Powers; they are not provided, having been hurriedly sent there, with the whole equipment of a warlike expedition; and their advance must be impeded by the difficulties of the locality and the state of the roads and the weather. But, so far as we can judge at the present moment, there has been no lack of co-operation on the part of the commanders and no avoidable delay. My hon. friend asked me several questions with regard to the intervention of the Japanese which I cannot pass over. My hon. friend said that if, early in the day, we had strongly invited the co-operation of the Japanese they would long ago have been in Peking, and that, at any rate within a month from the time when they were invited, they would have found their way to Peking. He complained that the invitation was not sent until 25th June. I will recapitulate the dates in a few words. Two or three days before 6th June we received a strong expression from Sir-Claude MacDonald as to the critical nature affairs were assuming in Peking. On 6th June Her Majesty's Government gave power to the Minister and to the Admiral to take any steps at their discretion with the forces at their command in order to relieve the position. On the 8th June Sir Claude MacDonald, by the wish of Her Majesty's Government, informed our representative at Tokio by telegraph of the position in order that he might bring it under the consideration of the Japanese Government. On the 13th of June Mr. Whitehead reported that the Japanese would be ready to send troops. On the 15th they were informed of what Her Majesty's Government were doing, and Mr.Whitehead, was asked to discover what steps Japan contemplated taking. Various reports came from them as to the troops they were prepared to send. On the 22nd Mr. Whitehead was instructed by telegraph to ask whether Japan did not intend to send further forces, it being then well known that Her Majesty's Government were already sending a large body, of troops from India. On the 25th, after an interview with the Japanese Minister, Lord Salisbury instructed our Ambassadors in Berlin and St. Petersburg to discover whether any objection would be raised, either by Germany or by Russia, to the despatch of 20,000 or 30,000 Japanese troops. They were able to report very shortly that no objection would be raised, but on 2nd July, before Japan mobilised troops and made up its mind to despatch them, Mr. Whitehead was told to ask whether Japan would not be prepared to take additional measures. One 4th July Mr. Whitehead was told to bring the extreme gravity of the situation to the notice of the Japanese Government, and to point out to them their responsibility, as the only Power able, owing to their geographical position, to deal with the situation. On the 5th Mr. Whitehead reported that the Japanese wished for an exchange of views on the part of the Powers concerned. As it was apparent that up to that moment—although it was four weeks after the Admiral had started on the expedition which proved abortive, owing to the superior forces he encountered—no considerable body of troops had been landed, and as it was felt that even then further inducement might enable the Japanese Government to go forward and relieve the situation, on 6th July the Government proffered financial assistance, with the special object of relieving the Legations and enabling the Japanese Government to take action. On the same day, a few hours afterwards, we received a telegram from the Japanese Government that they were now prepared to send 20,000 troops. I have ventured to trouble the Committee with this detailed statement in order that it may be made perfectly clear from first to last—not merely by example and the evidence which we had ourselves given, by calling up ships from every part of the world, by making matters smooth with foreign Powers with regard to any scruples which Japan might entertain, and even by proffering financial assistance—we have, I venture to think, shown that Her Majesty's Government have left no stone unturned—either by persuasion, by the use of our own power or the power of the purse of Great Britain—to assuage any jealousies which might exist, and to clear the way for action and to take care that every Power knew that our sole object was that a large number of troops should in the very shortest period of time be sent to Tientsin to meet the common enemy and an overwhelming danger. As the turn the debate has taken has been greatly influenced by what has taken place in the past, the, Committee will pardon me if I dwell for a time on the point that, while the Government have not undervalued the crisis in China, they may also claim that no action of theirs has precipitated that crisis. I think that in the adjustment of credit that is not the least important con- sideration. It is very easy to be wise after the event. It is to some extent easy with the power of Great Britain at your back to provide for an emergency. But with respect to the other point I think great force attaches to what fell from the hon. Baronet opposite, when he said, and said truly, that four years ago, by the sudden collapse of China before the onslaught of Japan, a very poor estimate was formed of Chinese power. I am sure he did not mean, any more than I do, to cast any reflection upon the valour shown in that war by the Japanese soldiers, or upon their military organisation or skill; but as a matter of fact, which the House may have forgotten, the actual total loss in the whole of that war on the Japanese side only amounted to 3,300; and of those less than one-quarter died of wounds received in action. It is, therefore, obvious to those who know the vast extent of China and its power, that what the Japanese had to do with in that war was an inexperienced body of Chinese soldiers, and not the resistance of the Chinese nation. There has been, undoubtedly, on the part of the Powers, on the part of certain people in this country, and I must say also, on the part of a great many of those who advised us, and who have spent long periods in China, the belief that the Chinese Colossus was prostrate and therefore fit for dismemberment. China is a Colossus without nerves; but she is not, therefore, impotent. I remember a remark once made by Sir Robert Hart that China, the aged man, was aged but not sick. I think we have learned by the events of the last few weeks how greatly the defensive power of China has been miscalculated, and that has reacted upon this country and upon this House. During the last two or three years I can truly say there never has been a Chinese debate in which most of the speeches have not contained something like an impeachment of Her Majesty's Government for want of forwardness and for want of vigour and persistent dictation to the Chinese Government. In the matter of outrages there has not been one case in which we have not secured the punishment of the offenders and compensation for those who suffered; but I can hardly recall a single case in which we have not been attacked for not either forcing China to maintain a system of police which you might expect in a Western nation, or punishing the absence of that system with Oriental severity. What has been the case with regard to outrages has also been the case as to pressure put on us to undertake administrative and executive work in China. The hon. Member for the Ecclesall Division has not only peculiar views with regard to our action in North China as against Russia, but he has also pointed out the desirability of training large bodies of Chinese troops, and subsidising them if necessary, in order to keep back Russia from Manchuria. That is not at all surprising to any one of us. During all the years the hon. Member has sat in this House I have never known him to put himself on a peace footing with regard to Russia. I do not think I ever heard him make a remark complimentary to Russia, except on one occasion. I remember a time, when the right hon. Gentleman opposite was Under Secretary for Foreign Affairs, that the hon. Member said something very handsome of the impartiality of a Russian newspaper in which he found an allusion to the imbecility of Mr. Gladstone's Government; and, if I recollect aright, the right hon. Gentleman opposite, in replying, said he fully agreed as to the impartiality of the Russian newspaper, because he found upon the very next page a reference to "les insanity de Sir Ashmead-Bartlett" To-night the hon. Member has stated that one of the follies we have been guilty of in the past is entertaining the belief that the Russians were strong enough in Manchuria to overrun China. That was one of the suggestions which the hon. Member himself made a few months ago.

    No, no; the right hon. Gentleman is making a very serious misstatement. In the speech to which he refers I deprecated placing too much importance on the actual strength of Russia in the north of China at present. I said the military strength of Russia there was very much exaggerated; but I said, as I repeated to-night, that if you allow Russia to get control of the northern provinces of China and to organise them, in the course of a year or two she will have by conscription a very large military force there, which she could use against the rest of China.

    If my hon. friend makes it a matter of credit I am quite ready to withdraw that from amongst the numerous attacks he has made upon us, and to give him the fullest credit for his prescience. But there are other Members holding views, of which the hon. Member for Chester is an admirable exponent, almost as pressing upon the Government as those of the hon. Member for the Ecclesall Division. Pressure was brought to bear upon us only last year by Lord Charles Beresford to undertake the policing of the Yang-tsze valley and the garrisoning of the Yang-tsze by Chinese troops controlled by British officers, and the hon. Member for Chester urged us to undertake even the financial administration of that district.

    What I suggested was that officers acceptable to the Viceroys should be offered to them to assist them in carrying out those reforms.

    The hon. Member's words go a great deal further than that I find on two occasions he urged us to undertake military and financial responsibilities. This view has been hold by a large number of Members of this House. It has been pressed upon her Majesty's Government by some newspapers, and it is the opinion of many of our fellow-countrymen all over the world that we have been remiss because we did not adopt that policy. Other suggestions of the same nature were pressed upon her Majesty's Government, but they all had the same drawbacks —they all assumed the consent of the Chinese Government or our power to disregard their consent. If you look at them by the light of the difficulties that have lately arisen in China they seem very little like practical or common-sense proposals. We have held from first to last that you cannot usurp the sovereign functions of the Chinese Government. For good or evil you have got to work through the Chinese Government; and often as we have been attacked for it, dilatory as their action may have been, we have limited our pressure to the point where we should have had to take the business out of the hands of the Chinese Government and undertake the administration ourselves. I am sure that hon. Members will understand that in that long array of negotiations about concessions which we laid before the House in a Blue-book last March there were ample materials for these who read between the lines to see that the Chinese Government were fully aware of the inconsistent nature of the proposals made to them. At one moment they were told that they were effete, that their Government was corrupt, that they had not got the confidence of European investors, and that they should put themselves into the hands of the Powers. But they might well retort, as indeed they have been inclined to do, that the Governments of Europe were competing against each other in their desire to make them loans on their present security, that the speculators of all the countries of Europe were tumbling over each other in the scramble for concessions, and in the desire to advance money on railways, mines, telegraphs, and every other form of investment which, if all the arguments used as to the unfitness of the country and its need of reform were true, would be advanced on security of no more value than the paper upon which it was written. I agree with the Hon. Baronet in trusting that one solid result of the disturbances in China will be that other Governments, like our own Government, will refuse to be led astray by the idea that by putting on the pace we can really quicken the development of China. I think we must follow the principles of Sir Robert Hart, and by patient endeavour and quiet work, taking China more or less as she is, do the best we can towards her development, or we may find, as I think in the present crisis some of these who have urged the quickening of operations have realised, that premature births do not always give the longest lives. If I am brief in what I say in regard to policy to-night, I believe the House will pardon me. Let it not be supposed for one moment that because I have said, as a warning and as some vindication of the policy of the Government in the past, that caution and patience are wanted in the development of China, that we propose to depart from that leading position in all Chinese affairs which is due to Great Britain, both from our past traditions, from the fact that we have at this moment by far the largest trade in the country, and from the interest which we must have in the development of the Far East. But when we come to put what our policy may be into words, it must be for the moment chiefly of a negative character. Some points are absolutely clear. In the first place, we are bound to press forward, and we will press forward by every means in our power in concert with our allies, the relief of the Legations in Peking. Whatever may be the result, whatever difficulties may intervene, it is absolutely clear that the inviolability of the position of Envoys must be impressed on Oriental peoples; and in the Far East, and upon all subject races, the supremacy of the Western world in this matter must be asserted. Secondly, comes the question of the Yang-tsze valley. Not much attention has been given to that subject to-night, because the debate has been short, but there is no question whatever that in every part of China at this moment there is a spirit of unrest and disquiet. It is our object, as far as we can, throughout the whole of the Yang-tsze sphere, to use Her Majesty's ships and Her Majesty's forces in the endeavour to quiet the present feelings and to assist the Viceroys in the task of preserving order. We have given assurances to the Viceroys in that particular. We have made it perfectly clear that our ships and our troops will be used with that object; but I would not Held out any expectation to the House that we propose to diffuse our troops or our ships over the enormous area of the Yang-tsze. We must limit our undertaking, which once given we shall pursue at all hazards. We are determined, whatever occurs, to defend Shanghai, and, in view of the strong strain which may be placed on our troops in the north, we have thought it wise to order a third brigade from India in order to have more troops available. Thon, the Hon. Gentleman opposite gave his view on the question of the partition of China. Her Majesty's Government are entirely in accord with his views with regard to the partition of China. We set our face resolutely against any partition, which we believe would be fraught with infinite danger to trade interests throughout China, and which it has been our traditional policy to prevent, and we have no reason whatever, judging from the negotiations which have taken place between ourselves and foreign Powers, to believe that we are at variance with any of the Powers of Europe in this respect. I think the Hon. Baronet very rightly said that it is not impossible that in the case of these private individuals who may have cherished an opposite view recent events will have acted as a somewhat salutary lesson. Thon we also agree with the suggestion that whatever government is to be the prevailing government in China after this, whether the central seat of Government remains whore it is, whether the dynasty remains what it is, whether the Government which has been in name at Peking remains so in fact, or whether it be more widely diffused amongst these Viceroys who have now in many respects so independent a position, that government must be, in the first place, by Chinese for the Chinese. We are not prepared ourselves to undertake, nor are we prepared to assist other Powers in undertaking, to Indianise China. We are not prepared ourselves to undertake the responsibility of setting up European administration in these remote parts of China, which would entail upon us responsibilities that we are determined not to be party to. So much has been said to-night about the question of the organisation of the Chinese army that I may say at once that we do not contemplate the idea of organising the Chinese army under foreign officers in order to add to the strength of China as a sovereign Power. If it becomes necessary, as in the case of that regiment which we have ourselves organised at Wei-hai-wei, and which is doing such admirable service in the advance which is taking place—if it becomes necessary for police purposes to arrange for the officering of some native troops, that, perhaps, is a different matter. But to organise a great Chinese army under foreign officers seems to us, in the common interest of all the Powers, a dangerous experiment. Beyond that there is the question of an indemnity. There must be an indemnity. I welcome the Hon. Baronet's suggestion that the indemnity should be laid, if possible, on these who are chiefly responsible either for initiating or for not checking the present insurrection, but what form that indemnity should take is a question which we must relegate to future consideration. I think the Committee will pardon me if I do not go beyond what I have said. I think this is a time when the fewer words used the better. After all, if we do not fully state our views I do not think the house will believe that it is because we are blind to the broader aspects of the questions which nave been opened up, because we ignore them, or because we do not know our own minds. But, Although I do not agree with my Hon. friend's strictures upon our attempt to work in concert with Europe, I do feel, and the Committee will feel, that there are limits, and known limits, to concerted action. It would be unwise for us, dealing with Powers that may have conflicting interests and must have varying conceptions of national duty in respect to China, to tie ourselves too closely to statements which may embarrass us hereafter at a time when, as we believe, it is better to go part of the way in concert with others than to attempt to go the whole way single-handed. But we do not shut our eyes to this fact—that great changes may result from the recent calamitous events. The Chinese government, or the want of Chinese government—the comedy, in some respects, of Chinese government—has almost created the greatest tragedy of the century, and no one can tell whether the result of what has occurred may not put back the clock of civilisation for forty or fifty years. What Her Majesty's Government feel is this— that, though we cannot see the actual stops before us, still we cannot help hoping that the Powers of Europe will discover some foundation on which a Chinese Government may be built up which will not utterly deny the benefit of civilised rule to a population amounting to one-third of the whole of the human race. If that should happen, thon a great crisis would have been made into a great opportunity. Her Majesty's Government cannot look with indifference at what the result may be. For the last century we have been building up a great trade in China which has been mutually advantageous to the Chinese and to ourselves. An Englishman has undertaken the responsibility of the Customs, which is almost the sole guarantee to a Chinaman of an incorrupt administration. We have in our own settlement of Shanghai and elsewhere given the example of the best forms of municipal government, and in our dealings with the Chinese Government we have scrupulously regarded good faith and treaty engagements. To desert all that Englishmen have built up during the last 100 years would be a position which Her Majesty's Government could never take up. Rather we would endeavour within the limits which I have laid down, and which I think have been accepted by the Committee, to continue to use our best endeavours to preserve that civilised government, with extension of Western advantages, the diffusion of which has been the stimulus of British activity and the vindication of British rule throughout the world.

    congratulated the right Hon. Gentleman on a most statesmanlike and satisfactory speech. He recognised the great importance of using every effort to maintain the Concert of the Powers in dealing with the serious situation which might have to be faced and dealt with in China to-day. This was no time to go over the history of the past few years, though the Committee must agree that many mistakes had been made. Had these mistakes been avoided the position in China at the present time would have been very different to what it was. The correspondence which was contained in the Papers which had just been laid upon the Table showed that, during the last few months at all events, the Government had pursued a wise and vigorous policy in upholding British interests. Everyone rejoiced to know, and everything seemed to point to the fact, that the policy not only of this country, but of the other nations interested in China, was to preserve China for the Chinese, and to maintain that empire open equally to the trade of all nations. That was a just and equitable policy, and had it been maintained and pursued a few years ago, since the conclusion of the Chino-Japanese war, the situation to-day would be very different. We could not, however, recall the past. The policy declared by Count von Bülow, which opposed the partition of China, which sought no advantages for any one nation over others, and which looked to set up in China a better government, was a policy to which the British Government might well give their heartiest support. A statement had also been made by M. Delcassé on somewhat similar lines, and some time ago the United States sought and obtained assurances from other nations interested in the trade of China as to the maintenance of the open door for the trade of all nations. She at the same time urged that efforts should be made to introduce administrative reform into the Chinese Empire. She, therefore, was also in accord with the German policy, and it was to be regretted that the exigencies of the Presidential campaign should have somewhat paralysed her energies at the present juncture. Undoubtedly all classes in Japan took the same view, and if the Government could proceed upon these lines with these other nations, adopting and supporting the same policy, Russia could not Held aloof, and out of the anarchy which now existed in China might come great good not only to the Chinese nation itself, but to all these nations who traded with her. Something had been said with regard to an indemnity. He sincerely hoped the spirit of revenge would be left out of the question in our advance on Peking—than which he could conceive no greater duty on the part of the civilised nations—but that the slaughter of Chinese would be as small as possible consistently with the rescue of the Legations. It should be remembered that China had been greatly provoked, and that unjust aggressions had been made upon her by nations, with the result that concessions were forced from her which enabled them to place themselves in military occupation of portions of Chinese territory. That was a question which, however, could not now be entered into. Our endeavour must be to work in concert with other Powers at present—to put an end to the present state of anarchy, and set up a better government for the Chinese. He reminded the house that among the Chinese he had mot were enlightened and patriotic statesmen; and while, of course, these who were responsible for the attack of the Imperial troops on the Legations at Peking must at the conclusion of hostilities be removed from power, he believed there were many Honest and patriotic Chinese statesmen, such as the Viceroys of the great Yang-tsze regions, and of Nanking and Wuchang, who, with other enlightened Chinamen, might help to form a better government for the country. The question of an indemnity was a difficult one. It would be impossible for China to pay any large indemnity at the conclusion of hostilities in money, and he hoped the Government would seek, rather than a money payment, that arrangements might be come to whereby new commercial treaties should be made with the Chinese Government under which likin would either be abolished or brought under administrative control of an Honest description, and that China should receive largely increased import duties under these treaties. By these means the income of China could easily be increased without serious detriment to the trade of nations dealing with her. Moreover, it should be demanded that the inland waterways of the interior of China should be opened freely to the trade of all nations, that great arteries of the Empire like the Yang-tsze-Kiang and West River should be put under the control of international conservancy beards, and a certain sum of money, derived from the increased revenues, employed in removing the obstructions to navigation and developing the trade on these rivers. With regard to railways, He thought whenever railways were built by foreign enterprise, the Chinese Government ought to have power, under certain terms and conditions, to take over the lines when they were in a position to do so, but that until they could repay principal and interest, the railways should remain, under the control of these who constructed them. If such a policy could be carried out with the free consent of the best elements of China—and the reform party in China was by no means inconsiderable—lie believed it would be productive of great benefit. There was one other point He wished to refer to arising out of some remarks made by the Chancellor of the Exchequer on a previous occasion. The correspondence showed that Lord Salisbury very promptly and very properly, when approached by the Japanese Government, undertook the financial responsibility for Japan's sending troops to the relief of the Legations at Peking. The Chancellor of the Exchequer said a few evenings previously that no financial responsibility now attached to this country in regard to Japanese expenditure, for the reason that they did not act with sufficient promptitude. The consent of Lord Salisbury to undertake the financial responsibility was only communicated to Japan on the 6th of July, and the Japanese Government immediately prepared an army of 20,000 men to go to China. In his opinion, if the matter was not clear, it would be wise that notice should be given to the Japanese Government that the British Government was prepared to adhere to their promise to bear the financial responsibility of this expedition to relieve the Legations in Peking. It was to be hoped that the rising would not spread to the rest of that vast Empire. He recognised the efforts which were now being made by the Government to protect the lives and property of British subjects in China, but he regretted that what he had urged so long ago had not received more prompt attention. He ventured to press, upon the attention of the Government the advisability, and, indeed, the necessity, of at once undertaking the construction; of suitable gunboats to patrol the upper Yang-tsze, and protect our interests. He would not add more because of the serious character of the present situation. If its seriousness were fully realised by the Government he could only hope that at the end of the recess when the house met again they would be able to congratulate the Government on having in the intervening months dealt vigorously, firmly, and wisely with one of the gravest situations that the Government in the whole of its history had had to face.

    rose to make an appeal to the right Iron. Gentleman that the temporary assistance which it was admitted might fairly be granted, to the sufferers of the Waima incident might be immediate and substantial. It was perfectly true that a small grant of twe hundred pounds was given, last year to the three ladies whose cases were looked into, but that amount must have come to an end, and having regard to the fact that it was seven years since the deplorable occurrence took place, these ladies were now in great straits. He was glad to hear that the black soldiers were to share equally with their white comrades, and he hoped that their families would meet with some recompense. In these faraway regions, whore black and white soldiers were fighting side by side, and whore occurrences like the Waima incident unhappily took place, he hoped they would always be treated alike.

    said that he had heard with great satisfaction the policy declared by the right lion. Gentleman the Under Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs. His satisfaction had been the greater because this was the first declaration of a definite character which had been given to the House. Doubtful statements had been made, but he had never ceased to believe that the Government would come back to the belief which they entertained in 1898, when they accepted the motion of the Hon. Member for the Ecclesall Division, seconded by himself, affirming the necessity in British interests for maintaining the integrity of China. He was rather struck by one phrase used by his right Hon. friend, to which, perhaps, he attached too much literal importance—that one of the main objects of the Government was that the supremacy of the Western world should be established in China.

    said he was thon referring solely to the power of the Western world to relieve their Legations in China.

    was extremely glad to have elicited that explanation, for He confessed the words seemed to him to bear a signification which might be injurious. They might have been understood as implying that it was intended that the Western Powers should exert a paramount and permanent influence over the Chinese. The right Hon. Gentleman had said, and said truly, that the defensive power of China had been greatly underrated—by no one, he was sorry to say, more than by one of the right Hon. Gentleman's predecessors on the Government Bench, who wrote a book to prove that China was a foredoomed and decaying Power. He thought the veracity of the Chinese Ambassador was also greatly underrated, together with that of the Chinese Ministers, who had assorted day after day that the Ambassadors in Peking were alive. These assertions had been received by the press with insulting comments, and even sensational accounts were published of a massacre which did not take place. He had looked in vain to sec some sort of an apology made to the men whose veracity had been impugned. We were, no doubt, committed to common action with other Powers with regard to the relief of the Legations, but he for one would not be prepared to assume the responsibility of acting with them throughout, after the way in which some nations had announced their intentions. He would much deplore anything like a close association in permanent policy with Powers whose conduct he believed had materially led up to what had taken place, Although it might be necessary to join in common action to effect the rescue of the Ministers in Peking. What he wanted to see was that we did not pledge ourselves to anything further than was required to effect that rescue. If we were once tempted to sot up a permanent concert of the Powers, it might have a very prejudicial effect upon the interests of this country. He rejoiced that the Waima incident had been so happily terminated, but He regretted that no attempt had been made to settle the difference between this country and Prance with regard to the Newfoundland difficulty. He believed with a little pressure on the part of the Government and a little reasoning on the part of the British Ambassador in Paris an arrangement could be come to which would make it possible for the subjects of both countries to live in harmony in Newfoundland. Here again he had noticed with grief the assertions made by the English press. He had seen it assorted that France was preparing to make war upon this country, when everyone knew that no one in high position in France had any such idea; that so far from having any intention to make war upon us, they were apprehensive of our making war upon them, which was a notion which never entered our heads. It was a very dangerous frame of mind to get into. Mr. Kruger said that he only made war upon us because he was afraid that we were going to make war upon him. Such a calamity as a war between England and France owing to the apprehension of both countries was a thing which he Hoped would never occur. France was our most necessary friend and our nearest neighbour, and a good understanding between France and ourselves was necessary not only in the interests of the two countries, but also for the permanent security of peace in Europe. He looked, therefore, with the greatest grief on the attempts which had been made recently in the press to suggest the idea that France had the intention to make war upon us, and he would, so far as it lay in his power, reassure the French in that respect. He believed he expressed the feeling of the country when he said that no such idea had entered our heads.

    desired to associate himself with the Hon. Member for Leek in his appeal to the financial authorities to give rapid, effectual, and substantial help to these who suffered so long ago in the Waima disaster. He also desired to associate himself with the Hon. Member for the Barnsley Division of Yorkshire in the congratulations which he offered to the right lion. Gentleman the Under Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs. Everyone must sympathise with the Government in the difficulties in which they were involved, and which they had to meet and deal with under the present trying circumstances; not the least of which was the fact that there was a dual Government at present in Northern China. When one Government came to the top he Hoped it would be the reformed Government. This was the first time during the last five or six years that the Under Secretary had shown any sympathy with the reform party in China, and he congratulated him upon that fact. Although the reform party were in no way altogether favourable to Europeans, and there were many who showed strong anti-foreign predilections, if that party was established in China it would greatly benefit Western Powers, with China adequately administered on modern methods. There was one point which these Papers did not throw much light on—namely, the causes of the outbreak and the crisis which had been precipitated. It seemed to him that our representatives at Peking had not had these means of information which they might have had. They did not foresee the coup détat which took place, Although these who followed the affairs of China in the public prints had read statements in an important weekly paper, well known to all Europeans in China, containing most striking predictions. One especially came out as far back as February and another in May, which was quoted in a letter by ex-Consul Jamieson, showing that information was available which might have gone far if acted on in checking or mitigating the outbreak which had caused so much trouble. It seemed to him that we needed an improved Intelligence Department at Peking. He had said that before, but since he last had the honour of speaking on the point no less a personage than the Prime Minister had referred to the neces- sity for a judicious distribution of secret service money. Lord Salisbury said—

    "Information is a mere matter of money and nothing else. If you want much information you must give much money. If you give little money you will have little information."
    China was a part of the world whore valuable information could be obtained at a cheaper rate than in any other part of the globe. He Hoped that in another year the secret service money might be largely increased. There was only one other point to which he wished to draw attention, and that was the position of our Commercial Attaché, Mr. Consul Jamieson. He had felt that in his intercourse with the Viceroys he was considerably prejudiced and handicapped by the fact that his rank was inferior to theirs. He (the Hon. Member) suggested that our Commercial Attaché should have the rank of a Secretary of Legation.

    said that the declaration made by the Government as to the Waima incident, though tardy, was as satisfactory as could be Hoped for in the circumstances, and he asked leave to withdraw his Amendment.

    Amendment, by leave, withdrawn.

    Original Question again proposed.

    said he wished to associate himself with the congratulations which had been expressed on the speech of his right Hon. friend the Under Secretary for Foreign Affairs. It was some satisfaction that the policy the Government proposed to adopt met with universal approval. At the same time there were one or two remarks suggested by the speech which he should like to make. The right Hon. Gentleman said that the two qualities required in dealing with China were caution and patience. He would venture to suggest to the Government that they ought to exhibit two other qualities which were equally needed—firmness and perseverance. They knew that the Government had from the first been in favour of maintaining the integrity of China. The means by which they Hoped to maintain that integrity had so far been very effective in resisting encroachments, and in view of what had happened in the past he Hoped there would be a continuance of that policy. At the same time it was impossible to disguise from ourselves the fact that efforts might be made to interfere with the integrity of China which would require the greatest finesse and skill on our part to avert. His lion, friend did not propose that the British Government should undertake the financial administration of the Yang-tsze valley. His contention was that it would be of the greatest advantage not only to the Chinese Government, but to the traders and merchants who carried on business in that region, if some skilled and trained official could be appointed to fill a position similar to that occupied by Sir Robert Hart. If we were to raise an indemnity in China it seemed to him that something of that kind would have to be clone, because at present the feeling was that an indemnity could only be raised by a loan, and the interest on that loan would have to be guaranteed in some way. It would have to be taken out of the likin duties, and therefore he thought his right Hon. friend would see that the suggestion of the Hon. Member for Chester was not very wide of the mark. With reference to the action we were now taking in China, he thought the British Government, and perhaps Governments in general, were inclined to rely too much on Japan. Having been in that country himself, and taken some pains to investigate its powers and resources, he confessed he was not so greatly impressed by them as other people had been, and he did not think, in any case, that the European Concert should allow Japan to take the lead in this crisis. It would not be a wise or dignified course, and we might be sure that Japan wanted something to herself. Japan would not pull the chestnuts out of the fire for nothing. What he would say was— work with Japan, but do not rely too much on her. He agreed with his Hon. friend that it was better to go half-way with the Concert of Europe than the whole way ourselves. He thought England should do all she could at present to work in a friendly way with the Concert of Europe, especially when the feeling of Europe was one of hostility to this country. That might help to mitigate the hostility which was felt on certain parts of the Continent. He wished to associate himself with the Hon. Member for King's Lynn as to the necessity of cultivating friendship with France. Although comparisons were always odious, and he did not wish to make comparisons, at the same time he must say that, if we looked at the feeling exhibited by the journals of the country, it was impossible to maintain that France was more unfriendly than Germany. He thought that, on the whole, the indications were that France was more inclined to be friendly than Germany. It should be remembered that France had good reason to be sore with us at present. We should not try to tread upon her corns in any way. It would be extremely wise to endeavour at this moment to show a friendly feeling towards France, because it was undoubtedly the fact—he had it from an intimate friend of one of the French Ministers—that an impression was being spread abroad that it was the intention of England to declare war upon France. It would be wise statesmanship to do all we could to remove that impression from the people and the Government of France, and certainly we should avoid using any expressions which would wound the susceptibilities of France. A wise, conciliatory, and friendly policy with France and Russia would lie the most advantageous for this country to pursue.

    said that although he listened with satisfaction to the right Hon. Gentleman's speech, he confessed that it had not removed any feeling of apprehension from his mind, for he had not entertained any apprehension whatever that the Government were likely to embark on any policy with regard to China which would not be safe, easy, and profitable. He was satisfied that, Although we declined to arbitrate in the dispute with the Transvaal, if at the time the war was commenced in South Africa we had known that it would cost us £70,000,000——

    said he was not going to discuss the war, but he was I going to show that the principle of arbitration should always be adopted when it was an advantageous thing to do so. It was obvious that the moment it was discovered that war with China would not be safe and easy, and that it would be expensive, there was not the slightest chance of this country embarking upon it. He did not think any Blue-book was necessary to ascertain the causes of the war. He would ask Hon. Members what their feelings would be if they were in the position the Chinese had been in. Supposing England had been described as effete and played out and to be safely attacked, supposing we had a weak Government, giving way to unreasonable demands, supposing there were hundreds and thousands of adventurers in the country from the Continent demanding with threats of war concessions, if the Government was unable or made no attempt to restrain them, he ventured to say that there would be a "Boxer" movement in England to clear away the interlopers who were endeavouring to seize the country. The disastrous state of affairs in China at present was owing to the Imperialistic jingo policy which was formerly countenanced and now abandoned by the Government. It was often said that it would never do to introduce into politics the principles of morality which governed private individuals. That doctrine had always been denied by the Manchester school to which he belonged. A close examination of the history of this country showed that whenever we had departed in our international relations from the principles of morality and honesty which ought to regulate the dealings between man and man, it had always brought disaster upon us. If we had acted on these principles we would have been able to dictate in the form of advice any decision China ought to take, and we might have relied upon China following our advice, but we had discredited ourselves by associating ourselves with a gang of robbers who believed that China would be too weak to resist.

    asked the Under Secretary for Foreign Affairs whether he could give the House any information as to the negotiations with foreign countries with reference to the abolition of sugar bounties. This was a most important question to these who used to live by the refining of sugar and the various industries connected with it. The question was in very much the same position now as twenty-six years ago, when he first had the honour to be elected a Member of that House. The first person who gave him any information on the subject was his right hon. friend the President of the Beard of Trade, at a time when he occupied a position of greater freedom and less responsibility.

    Order, order! The hon. Member is not entitled to go into the whole question of sugar bounties. He must apply his remarks in such a way as to show that the Foreign Office has done something it ought not to have done, or that it has left undone something, it ought to have done.

    said lie wished to show that the Foreign Office had omitted to do that which it ought to have done, and he wanted to know if it intended to do that which ought to have been done. He thought it would be seen that his remarks were germane to his argument. The sugar refineries had decreased from——

    The hon. Member must proceed to show malfeasance on the part of the Government in order to bring his remarks into order.

    expressed the hope that his right hon. friend would be able to show that the Foreign Office was doing its very best to prevent these bounties, which were ruining, and had ruined, sugar refineries in England. This was a serious matter to his constituency. He wished the Under Secretary to show that He was doing what he could to remedy this state of things in future, so that the sugar industries might be brought back to something like their former prosperity. He did not think he was unreasonable in protesting against the bounty system, and in asking the Under Secretary to tell the Committee what the real intention of the Government was with the view of remedying a state of things so that a valuable trade would be enabled to lift its head and prosper as in the days of old.

    The Committee is probably aware that we are carrying on negotiations through diplomatic channels. If there is no definite progress which can be at present noted on the subject of sugar bounties, I know, indirectly, that negotiation and discussion are going on between the Governments of Germany, France, Austria, and, I think, Russia, on the subject. My hon. friend will appreciate that all changes of fiscal policy on the part of any Government are to some extent of slow growth, hut I can assure my hon. friend that the matter has not been lost sight of. So far as the Government are concerned, we will continue to press through diplomatic channels in the direction desired.

    I might perhaps take a little exception to the great ingratitude displayed towards myself personally by the right Hon. Gentleman the Under Secretary for Foreign Affairs in the course of his speech, seeing that I have provided Her Majesty's Government with a policy towards China. However, I am satisfied with the fact that the light Hon. Gentleman has accepted that policy to the full now. His declaration with regard to the maintenance of the independence and the integrity of China was as satisfactory as any of us could hope for, and was in thorough accordance with the resolution the House passed in March, 1898, which I had the honour of proposing. What I want to ask my right hon. friend now is regarding his declaration as to reform in China. I very much regret that in the course of the remarks I made I did not dwell sufficiently on the question of reform. That really, as the hon. Member for Chester says, is the basis of the future of China, and it ought to be one of the main objects of our policy to improve and reform China. The hon. Baronet the Member for Berwick, the late Under Secretary of State, made a statement which I thought was very unfortunate, He tried to bind the Government and the House to a formal declaration against using influence in support of any particular government in China. It is perfectly clear that if China is to be reformed—and China must be reformed —the civilised Governments of the world must exert their influence in support of a party or of ministers who are in favour of reform. I would not bind the Government to any particular form of support, but I do hope the statement of the Hon. Baronet is not going to be the policy of Her Majesty's Government. I hope a part of that policy —which we now clearly know to be that of the independence and integrity of China—will lie reform; and the only way in which reform can be carried out is by Her Majesty's Government in some form or other lending their strong moral support to that party in China which wishes to sec reform and good government there established. I think the House has good reason to congratulate itself upon the result of to-night's debate. Very little exception, if any, can be taken to the statement of the Government, and I rejoice that two very serious difficulties in the way of a satisfactory settlement in China have been removed by the statements which have come from both Front Benches. It is perfectly clear that the hon. Baronet at last sees that the British policy cannot be based upon the imaginary Concert of Europe. It is also perfectly clear from the statement of my right hon. friend that the Government intend to have a policy and to carry out that policy whether or not they got the formal support of the Powers. So long as that policy is clearly defined and courageously upheld, they can afford to disregard any opposition they may encounter in Europe or elsewhere, because they will have the support of the strongest Powers with them.

    I wish to associate myself with the hope that has been expressed that the Government will do something definite to bring the negotiations arising out of the Brussels Conference to a successful issue. One reason why these negotiations were not successful at the time was that the British Government sent a representative to the Conference without any definite instructions. There is no use bringing forward a grievance unless you are prepared to suggest a remedy, and the British representative was sent without any definite instructions to propose a remedy for the great evil which is being done to the sugar industry. We are glad to hear that negotiations are still proceeding, but that is not altogether satisfactory. We have heard that for a long time, but nothing; has been done, and meanwhile the industry is being brought to the verge of extinction. Distinguished members of Her Majesty's Government have from time to time stated their belief that the bounty system is altogether indefensible, and that something should be done to put a stop to it. What we ask is that they should have the this question to remain in the air no longer, but really do something to put an end to the iniquitous system which is destroying the trade against which it is directed.

    I simply wish to enter my protest against language such as that of the Hon. Member for the Ecclesall Division of Sheffield. At this moment, when the lives of not only men but also women and children are hanging in the balance, and when the rescue of these lives is absolutely dependent on perfect accord between the different Powers of Europe who have troops out there, I think the hon. Gentleman was adopting a not very discreet course in discussing the future relations between the different Powers engaged in this work. I will say nothing further on the question of China except to congratulate the right Hon. Gentleman the Under Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs upon the admirable and eloquent speech he has delivered to-night, a speech which I am sure met with the approval of every Member of the House. I have risen mainly for the purpose of saying a word on the question alluded to by the hon. Member for King's Lynn—namely, the relations between this country and France. Everybody must be delighted with the announcement that the outstanding difficulty with regard to the Waima incident has been at last settled, and that one source of friction has been removed. The Hon. Member for King's Lynn had the courage to protest against the language of certain journals, and, may I add, certain statesmen, with regard to the relations between this country and France. I spent three weeks in France recently, and I made it my business to speak to some prominent French politicians and to study very seriously, so far as I could in that short period, the tone and opinion in that country with regard to this. I can say with perfect sincerity and accuracy that all the stories you find in some of the journals in this country with regard to the warlike feeling in France towards us are absolute inventions. As a matter of fact the feeling is all the other way. So far as I could see, they have got it into their heads that this country is burning with a desire to pick a quarrel with their nation in order to destroy their fleet and cripple their resources. I believe that is an entire delusion on the part of the people of France, but I am bound to say there has been language used with regard to that nation which it was very difficult for a chivalrous and proud people to hear without some feeling of dissatisfaction and alarm. I am quite convinced that responsible men and women who control their voice and temper in both countries are determined, so far as they possibly can, to prevent any such terrible and horrible event taking place as a misunderstanding between two great nations who have many interests in common, and who have no differences which wise and judicious administration on both sides cannot satisfactorily arrange.

    said that recent events in China must inevitably have a very great effect on the history of that country. They opened a new book, which should have written upon its pages a different record from the horrors and disappointments of the past. But the nature of the record would depend almost entirely upon the Western Powers, with whom rested the character future intercourse would assume. Reform was essential, indeed was the only means by which a recurrence of the troubles: we deplore could be prevented. Whoever was sent out to represent this country in Peking should be strong and vigorous, determined not to partition the country or to interfere with the rights of China, but to make known, and to insist upon China knowing, what were the proper principles upon which the future prosperity, peace, and good government of that Empire should be based. No one desired to see China weakened or her integrity m any way broken, but all desired to see peace and reform. Unless there was reform, however, disintegration was inevitable. Nothing but reform and a new policy, and the sweeping away of past misgovernment could bring the country into a state which would enable it to maintain its independence and to save itself from the grasping ambitions of certain Powers.

    said he only rose to make a casual observation upon a matter which very properly arose upon the Vote for the salary of the Foreign Secretary. What He wished to criticise was the unconstitutional practice of uniting the two offices of Prime Minister and Foreign Secretary. When one and the same individual held both these offices it was a distinct weakness. The Foreign Minister was necessarily more detached from his colleagues than any other Minister, and he had more separate and individual responsibility. The prerogatives of the Crown had become by constitutional practice vested in the Ministers, and the power of declaring peace and war was vested in the Foreign Minister. Constitutionally this House never needed to be consulted at all, although eventually the Government must come to the House of Commons for supplies. Therefore, the Foreign Minister had a position of less responsibility to the House of Commons than other Ministers in the Cabinet, and in accordance with the constitutional practice he did not need to consult his colleagues as other Ministers did. The Prime Minister had to act with the Foreign Minister, and he exercised a certain control over the Foreign Minister, but of course that control ceased when the two offices were combined. Until Lord Salisbury came into power in 1886 there never had been a union of the two offices, and on no fewer than three occasions had the Foreign Minister on becoming Prime Minister left the Foreign Office. Lord Palmerston, Earl Russell, and later still Lord Rosebery, all vacated the office of Foreign Secretary upon taking that of Prime Minister. The Foreign Secretary had not the support of the Prime Minister when the two offices were combined, and he had to act largely upon his own responsibility. The Foreign Office had so many details, was so complicated, and required so much energy, that it would pass the wit of man for the same individual to occupy himself as he ought to do in his own Department and at the same time to exercise over the other Departments the controlling influence of the Prime Minister. Mr. Gladstone no fewer than three times protested against this arrangement, which was unknown until Lord Salisbury's time, and which was an anomaly absolutely associated with him alone. When the two offices were combined, other members of the Cabinet could take liberties with the Foreign Office, and no later than December last the Colonial Secretary absolutely interfered with Lord Salisbury as Foreign Minister. Of course, it was too late in the day to quarrel with Lord Salisbury's retention of these offices, but it was a practice instituted by him and unknown before his time. He could easily prove that this combination of the two offices had led to the South African War, and he thought this was a precedent which should be guarded against in the future. The relations between this country and the Orange Free State and the Transvaal were formerly directly under the control of the Foreign Office, and he believed, they would have remained under that control if Lord Salisbury had not been over weighted with the cares of the Foreign Office. If these relations had remained with the Foreign Secretary he believed there never would have been a Transvaal War. If Lord Salisbury had been Prime Minister alone he would have exercised, more control than he had been able to do while holding at the same time the office of Foreign Secretary. On these grounds He protested against the union of the two offices as highly unconstitutional. It had been publicly stated by Lord. Salisbury in the House of Lords that the right Hon. Gentleman the Under Secretary for Foreign Affairs was not permitted to answer supplementary questions. He thought it was wrong that the right hon. Gentleman should not be permitted. Much of the benefit every afternoon arose from the supplementary questions. There was no doubt whatever of the ability of the right hon. Gentleman to answer them. He thought Lord Salisbury had not dealt with perfect fairness with the House of Commons in asking the Under Secretary to forfeit his Ministerial position. He Hoped that in future the offices of Prime Minister and Foreign Secretary would be held separately.

    Question put, and agreed to.

    2. Motion made, and Question proposed, "That a sum, not exceeding £124,483, be granted to Her Majesty, to complete the sum necessary to defray the Charge which will come in course of payment during the year ending on the 31st day of March, 1901, for the Salaries and Expenses of the Local Government Beard."

    said he wished to take that opportunity of calling attention to a matter connected, with the administration of the Local Government Beard. He had no complaint to make against the right hon. Gentleman the President of the Local. Government Beard for the way he received former representations from him on the same subject, but he could not conceal from himself that the law relating to the provision of religious services in work houses had not been carried out. The law required that in every union there should be a chaplain, and that Church of England services should be provided for the inmates in some building under the control of the guardians. The erection of a separate chapel was not necessarily required. The inmates of work houses were in some measure in a state of confinement. They were in many cases persons who were aged, infirm, or bedridden, and it was impossible for them to go anywhere outside the walls of these houses. What he complained of was that the ministrations of religion in work houses depended not upon the provision which the law made, but upon the provision which a temporary majority of the several beards of guardians might make. Whore the provisions of the law were not carried out beards of guardians, instead of making provision for the ordinary services of the Church of England being regularly conducted according to the law, made some provision by which ministers of religion of various denominations took turns of providing religious instruction. That appeared to him to be very unsatisfactory. What must be the hopeless state of confusion into which persons might get if they found themselves on one occasion instructed according to the formularies of the Church of England, and next week according to the formularies, or perhaps he should say according; to the tenets, of one body or another of Nonconformists. He was not now speaking in the interest of the Church of England, to which he belonged, but in the interest of religion and the equitable administration of the law. He did not ask for any special favour. He did not ask anything for these of his own conviction and belief which he should not be ready to give others. What he did ask was that the provisions of the law should be carried out. He had a right to ask why this particular branch of the law was infringed with the connivance and assistance of the Local Government Beard itself. He thought a still stronger case was made out when they came to the question of work house schools whore religious instruction was given to the children by the representative of one denomination one day and by the representative of another another day. If this system was unsatisfactory in the case of adults it was still more unsatisfactory in the case of children. What could be more fatal to the enforcement of any religious instruction? He would infinitely prefer children to be taught the tenets of a religion which he did not approve than that they should lie taught in this happy-go-lucky way. When these children went out into the world, it was highly important that they should have some form of religious conviction and worship to which they were attached; but if during their most impressionable years they were allowed to form the opinion that one set of tenets was as good as another, there was no chance, when they left the schools in which they were brought up, of their receiving that definite conviction which was the best protection against the temptations to which in after life they were exposed.

    said he Hoped that when the right Hon. Gentleman was replying he would also reply on a particular point which He desired to raise, and in which he believed the right lion. Gentleman and the Local Government Beard had a certain amount of sympathy. He did not desire anything like a general discussion, and did not intend to make anything like an exhaustive speech. The subject to which he wished to allude was the education of our pauper children. He had brought the subject before the House on many occasions. On one occasion he found that the Education Beard was entirely with him, and that the Local Government Beard was entirely against him; in the present Parliament He found that the Local Government Beard was entirely of his view, that the education of pauper children ought to be placed under the Education Department; but when he turned to the Education Department he found that the opinion of that body had changed, and that it was no longer in favour of the reform. He said, perhaps rather too hastily, that the opinion of the Department had changed, but as far as he understood there was one man and one man only who stood between them and a much needed reform, and that was the Vice-President of the Council, who was unwilling to carry it out. It was said that they could not transfer the education of pauper children from the Local Government Beard to the Education Department without for some reason or other transferring also the supervision of the life and position of these children. He believed lie could claim the sympathy of the right Hon. Gentleman, and He wished to know what he intended to do in the matter. He believed also that the Local Government Board were sympathetic and that they shared the view that the transfer could be accomplished without any serious departmental difficulty. He saw on the Treasury Bench the Parliamentary Secretary to the Local Government Beard, to whose administrative ability he desired to pay a tribute of admiration. He believed that the Hon. Gentleman, with the aid of the officials of the Local Government Board, could carry out the change. But it was not carried out because they were told that the whole supervision of the pauper children of the country ought to be taken out of the hands of the guardians and put into the hands of some new central body. But even if that were possible and desirable, why should they wait for the accomplishment of a reform which was certainly distant, when they were all agreed it was a real and valuable reform —all except the Vice-President of the Council. The President of the Local Government Board knew that his views were entertained not only on that side of the House, but on the other. He appealed to the right Hon. Member for the University of Oxford to signify that he agreed with them.

    said he felt sure that if the President of the Local Government Beard expressed his view to the Beard he so ably represented a reasonable solution of the difficulty would be found. The pauper children of the country were educated under an ineffective system. That was not the fault of the Local Government Beard, because they were not the proper body to educate these children, and he was sure that a very real and important reform might be carried a step forward that evening if the right Hon. Gentleman would express his views on it.

    said he thoroughly agreed with the views that had been expressed by the Hon. Member for Hoxton with regard to the education of pauper children. As a London Member he had seen something of the surroundings of these pauper schools, and he was perfectly certain that the hon. Member had expressed a view which was in unison with the view entertained by many hon. Members. What he wished particularly to bring Home to the President of the Local Government Board was the grievance which Hon. Members felt against him for not enforcing the law in different parts of the country with regard to the appointment of chaplains. He had steadily perused the accounts of the work houses in which chaplains were not appointed, and whore the religious wants of the inmates were attended to by voluntary chaplains, and a more unsatisfactory condition of affairs could hardly be imagined. Something had been said about the attitude of the Irish Members, but everyone knew that if such attempts were made on their Catholic fellow-citizens as were made on the members of the Church of England they should have the adjournment moved and the matter called attention to by the Irish Catholic Members of the House. One of the Hon. Members for Belfast expressed his surprise when he learned the state of affairs in England, and said that if such a thing happened in Ireland, and if the guardians refused to elect a Protestant chaplain or a Roman Catholic priest to attend to the spiritual wants of the majority or the minority in a work house, a sealed order would be sent down from Dublin compelling them to do it. They who complained of the grievance would like to see the same measure of justice dealt out to their unhappy island as was given to Ireland, which they were told was a downtrodden country. They had complained year after year of infractions of the law. Last year and the year before his noble friend spoke of the deliberate way in which the law was broken in the Field Lane Industrial Schools. He wished to know what happened to the unfortunate bedridden people in the infirmaries who are practically left without any spiritual ministrations. They were left to the gentlemen who came once a week or once a month to see their own people and thon asked, to use a vulgar expression, if there was anyone else worth picking up. The Church of England might or might not be a majority of the population—he was not going to argue that—but even if it were a minority it was at all events a minority which deserved consideration, and he ventured to say that the people who deserved most consideration were these poor people in the infirmaries who were unable to attend church on Sundays or days of obligation. The President of the Local Government Beard really owed his position to members of the Church of England, and it was certainly a poor return for that Church to know that its poorer members were left to such a haphazard arrangement. With regard to chapels he knew Hew difficult it was to provide, especially in largo work houses, accommodation for the duo solemnities of religion. He knew one London work house whore some friends of his were giving an entertainment, and they were shown into the chancel to be used as a dressing-room. He would not mention the name, because the paupers might be deprived of their entertainment next winter, but it showed the spirit of economy on the one hand and sectarianism on the other which prevailed.

    said that he desired to ask the right Hon. Gentleman the President of the Local Government Beard whether he had not received a communication from the Yeovil Rural District Council, on behalf of 120 other rural district councils, in the preceding November urging him to take action in regard to further regulations in respect of light locomotives on highways. There had been considerable discussion upon this subject of late, and suggestions had been made to further regulate the speed of motors by reducing it in difficult parts of the roads and at difficult turnings. All motors went at a high rate of speed, and the question was whether they should not have a distinguishing number put upon them so that they could be identified. They went through country districts at a high rate of speed, and when they did damage they might not be identified afterwards. He was informed that though the right Hon. Gentleman had had the matter brought under his notice some nine months previously, no reply had been received from him to the representations of these 120 rural district councils.

    supported the right Hon. Member for Oxford University in his protest against the want of action on the part of the Local Government Board with regard to the appointment of chaplains to workhouses. This matter was becoming a great scandal. The law upon the subject was not denied, and it was not fitting that the scandal should go on year after year and no proper effort be made to effect a remedy. If the objection to enforcing the law was due to the fear of wounding the susceptibilities of the Nonconformists, and the Nonconformists had the slightest apprehension that there would be any proselytism, means should be taken to safeguard them. What he contended was that when a law was made provisional for these who were of the Church of England the authorities should not shrink from giving the people an opportunity of worshipping according; to their religious convictions. There could be no defence of the present system. The truth of the matter was that where religion was concerned public departments cared very little about it. If people accepted religion with the same conviction that they accepted the principle of sanitation, for instance, the best provision would long since have been made for religious ministration to the poor in workhouses, and this scandal would not have arisen. There was a no more, ominous thing in the mental attitude of the people of this country than the decay of religious belief, which was at the bottom of the whole difficulty. If it were thought to be an important matter there would be no difficulty in providing forit. As it was it was put a side. But he was not prepared to acquiesce in the indifference which affected the Local Government Board. He should continue to urge the necessity for maintaining that proper provision should be made, and he should continue to do his best to force his views upon the attention of the Government. The interests of the Nonconformist bodies were no less acutely at stake than the interests of the Church of England. They were threatened by the same movement, which, was an irreligious movement; indeed, they would be the first to fall under a decay of religious belief, and he therefore appealed to them to co-operate with the members of the Church of England in defence of the common principles of religion against a common enemy.

    desired to put a few points before the right hon. Gentleman with regard to a subject in which his constituency was largely interested, the right hon. Gentleman's vaccination policy. He submitted that in the Order made in October two years ago there was a revolution in the policy of the Local Government Board which was quite contrary to the understanding arrived at in Parliament. At the time the Vaccination Act was passed in 1898 a great deal of discussion took place as to prosecutions, and a great many arguments were advanced on both sides. The Order which came out in October, 1898, gave the Local Government Board absolute discretion to decide for themselves what cases should be prosecuted and what cases should not. The right hon. Gentleman was not justified in the action he took. Under the old Order and practice of thirty years there was a right in the board of guardians to control their own officer, but the Order of 1898 had revolutionised that, and given the control to the Local Government Board. He thought ho had some reason to complain that the Return he asked for regarding the expenditure caused by the new law with regard to vaccination had been denied.

    said in the short time loft at his disposal he would endeavour, as far as possible, to deal with the questions which had been raised by the hon. Gentlemen who had preceded him. The right hon. Gentleman the Member for Oxford University and the noble Lord had complained that the law with regard to the appointment of chaplains to the workhouses of the country was not carried out, and that it mainly failed because of the inactivity of the Local Government Board. The statement of the right hon. Gentleman was

    AYES.

    Aird, JohnBalfour, Rt Hn Gerald W (LeedsRill, Charles
    Allsopp, Hon. GeorgeBarnes, Frederic GorellBlundell, Colonel Henry
    Anson, Sir William ReynellBartley, George C. T.Brassey, Albert
    Arrol, Sir WilliamBeach, Rt. Hn. SirM. H. (BristolBrodrick, Rt. Hon. St. John
    Asher, AlexanderBeach, Rt. Hn.W.W.B.(HantsBrown, Alexander H.
    Ashmead-Bartlett, Sir EllisBeckett, Ernest WilliamBullard, Sir Harry
    Atkinson, Rt. Hon. JohnBentinck, Lord Henry C.Batcher, John George
    Bailey, James (Walworth)Bethell, CommanderCarlile, William Walter
    Balcarres, LordBhownaggree, Sir M. M.Carson, Rt. Hon. Sir Edw. H.
    Balfour, Rt. Hn. A.J. (Manch'r)Bigwood, JamesCavendish, V.C.W.(Derbysh.)

    not strictly accurate, because the appointment of chaplains for workhouses was required not by law, but by regulation made by the Local Government Board. As the regulation was made by the Department, it could be changed or revoked by the Department. In like manner the performance of services on certain specified days in workhouses was required by regulation to be observed. No one could sympathise more than he did with the desire that people of all classes and persuasions should hare the advantage of religious worship, but what was the proposal of his hon. friends? In the vast majority of unions in the country chaplains were appointed. There were some in which chaplains were not appointed; and he was now pressed to insist upon the appointment of chaplains for every union. There were many unions in which the inmates were almost entirely of the Nonconformist persuasion. In such cases was he to compel the guardians to appoint a Church of England chaplain? It would be lamentable if the dying were not able to receive the consolation of religious ministration, but at the present time every inmate of a workhouse had a right to the religious ministration he required and, so far as he knew, no workhouse authorities had ever refused to provide it. He was in entire sympathy with the hon. Member for Hoxton that the inspection of poor-law children should be undertaken by the Education Department——

    It being ten of the clock, the Chairman, in pursuance of the Order of the House of the 15th of February last, proceeded to put the Questions necessary to dispose of the outstanding Votes in the Committee of Supply.

    Question put.

    The Committee divided:—Ayes, 208; Noes, 80. (Division List No. 262.)

    Cayzer, Sir Charles WilliamHaslett, Sir James HornerNicol, Donald Ninian
    Cecil, Evelyn (Hertford, East)Heath, JamesO'Neill, Hon. Robert Torrens
    Chamberlain, Rt. Hn. J. (Birm.Hill, Arthur (Down, West)Paulton, James Mellor
    Chamberlain, J. A. (Worc'r)Hoare, Ed. Brodie (HampsteadPerm, John
    Chaplin, Rt. Hon. HenryHoare, Sir Samuel (Norwich)Phillpotts, Captain Arthur
    Charrington, SpencerHornby, Sir William HenryPierpoint, Robert
    Clare, Octavius LeighHoward, JosephPollock, Hairy Frederick
    Coghill, Douglas HarryHudson, George BickerstethPurvis, Robert
    Cohen, Benjamin LouisHutchinson, Capt. G. W. Grice-Pym, C. Guy
    Collings, Rt. Hon. JesseHutton, John (Yorks, N.R.)Rasch, Major Frederic Carne
    Colomb, Sir John C. ReadyJackson, Rt. Hon. William L.Remnant, James Farquharson
    Cook, Fred. Lucas (Lambeth)Jeffreys, Arthur FrederickRentoul, James Alexander
    Cooke, C. W. Radcliffe (Heref'd)Jenkins, Sir John JonesRichardson, Sir T. (Hartlep'l)
    Corbett, A. Cameron (Glasgow)Jessel, Capt. Herbt. MertonRidley, Rt. Hn. Sir Matthew W.
    Cornwallis, Fiennes Stanley W.Kenyon, JamesRitchie, Rt. Hon. Charles T.
    Cotton-Jodrell, Col. Edw. T.D.Kimber, HenryRollit, Sir Albert Kaye
    Cox, Irwin Edward BainbridgeLafone, AlfredRoyds, Clement Molyneux
    Cripps, Charles AlfredLaurie, Lieut.-GeneralRussell, T. W. (Tyrone)
    Cross, Herb. Shepherd (Bolton)Lawrence, Sir E. Durning-(CornSandon, Viscount
    Curzon, ViscountLawrence, Wm. F. (Liverp'l)Sandys, Lieut.-Col. T. Myles
    Davies, Sir H. D. (Chatham)Lawson, John Grant (Yorks.)Scoble, Sir Andrew Richard
    Dilke, Rt. Hon. Sir CharlesLea, Sir Thos. (Londonderry)Seely, Charles Hilton
    Disraeli, Coningsby RalphLeese, Sir J. F. (Accrington)Seton-Karr, Henry
    Donkin, Richard SimLeigh-Bennett, Henry CarrieSharpe, William Edward T.
    Douglas, Rt. Hon. A. Akers-Llewellyn, Evan H. (SomersetShaw-Stewart, M. H. (Renfrew)
    Doxford, Sir William TheodoreLlewelyn, Sir Dillwyn-(Swan.)Sidebottom, William (Derbysh
    Dyke, Rt. Hon. Sir William H.Lockwood, Lt.-Col. A. R.Simeon, Sir Barrington
    Egerton, Hon. A. de TattonLong, Col. Chas. W. (Evesham)Skewes-Cox, Thomas
    Faber, George DenisonLonsdale, John BrownleeSmith, Abel H. (Christchurch)
    Fellowes, Hon. Ailwyn EdwardLopes, Henry Yarde BullerSmith, Jas. Parker (Lanarks.)
    Ferguson, R. C. Munro (Leith)Lowe, Francis WilliamSmith, Hon. W. F. D. (Strand)
    Fergusson, RtHn. Sir J.(Manc'rLowles, JohnSpencer, Ernest
    Field, Admiral (Eastbourne)Loyd, Archie KirkmanStanley, Edw. Jas. (Somerset)
    Finlay, Sir Robert BannatyneLucas-Shad well, WilliamStephens, Henry Charles
    Firbank, Joseph ThomasLyttelton, Hon. AlfredStock, James Henry
    Fisher, William HayesMacartney, W. G. EllisonStrauss, Arthur
    FitzGerald, Sir Robt. Penrose-Macdona, John CammingStrutt, Hon. Chas. Hedley
    Fitz Wygram, General Sir F.MacIver, David (Liverpool)Start, Hon. Humphry Napier
    Flannery, Sir FortescueMaclure, Sir John WilliamThornton, Percy M.
    Flower, ErnestM'Arthur, Charles (Liverpool)Tollemache, Henry James
    Foster, Colonel (Lancaster)M'Killop, JamesTomlinson, Wm. Edw. Murray
    Foster, Harry S. (Suffolk)Malcolm, IanTritton, Charles Ernest
    Fowler, Rt. Hon. Sir HenryManners, Lord Edward Wm. J.Verney, Hon. Richard G.
    Fry, LewisMartin, Richard BiddulphWelby, Lt, Col. A. C. E.(Tauntn
    Galloway, William JohnsonMassey-Mainwaring, Hn. W. F.Whiteley, H. (Ashton-under-L.
    Garfit, WilliamMellor, Colonel (Lancashire)Williams, J. Powell- (Birm.)
    Gedge, SydneyMelville, Beresford ValentineWillox, Sir John Archibald
    Gibbons, J. LloydMiddlemore, J. ThrogmortonWilson, J. W. (Worcestersh, N.
    Gibbs, Hn. A. G. H. (CityLond.Milbank, Sir Powlett C. J.Wilson-Todd, Wm. H.(Yorks.)
    Giles, Charles TyrrellMonckton, Edward PhilipWodehouse, Rt. Hn. E. R.(Bath
    Godson, Sir Augustus Fredk.Monk, Charles JamesWortley, Rt. Hon. C. B. Stuart-
    Gorst, Rt. Hon. Sir John E.Moon, Edward Robert PacyWrightson, Thomas
    Goschen, George J. (Sussex)Moore, William (Antrim, N.)Wylie, Alexander
    Goschen, Rt. Hn G J (St George's)More, Robt. Jasper (Shropshire)Wyndham, George
    Goulding, Edward AlfredMorrell, George HerbertWyvill, Marmaduke D'Arcy
    Greville, Hon. RonaldMorrison, James A. (Wilts., S)Young, Commander (Berks, E.
    Guest, Hon. Ivor ChurchillMorton, Arthur H. A. (Deptford
    Gull, Sir CameronMurray, Rt. Hn A. Graham (ButeTELLERS FOR THE AYES—
    Hamilton, Rt. Hon. Lord Geo.Murray, Chas. J. (Coventry)Sir William Walrond and Mr. Anstruther.
    Hanbury, Rt. Hon. Rbt. Wm.Murray, Col. Wyndham (Bath)
    Hardy, LaurenceNewdigate, Francis Alexander

    NOES.

    Abraham, William (Cork, N.E.Burt, ThomasDonelan, Captain A.
    Abraham, William (Rhondda)Buxton, Sydney CharlesDoogan, P. C.
    Ashton, Thomas GairCaldwell, JamesDouglas, Chas. M. (Lanark)
    Atherley-Jones, L.Cameron, Robert (Durham)Duckworth, James
    Billson, AlfredCawley, FrederickEdwards, Owen Morgan
    Blake, EdwardCecil, Lord Hugh (Greenwich)Emmott, Alfred
    Bolton, Thomas DollingColville, JohnGourley, Sir Edw. Temperley
    Bramsdon, Thomas ArthurCurran, Thomas B. (Donegal)Griffith, Ellis J.
    Brigg, JohnDalziel, James HenryHarwood, George
    Broadhurst, HenryDewar, ArthurHayne, Rt. Hon. Chas. Seale-

    Hazell, WalterMorgan, W. P. (Merthyr)Strachey, Edward
    Hogan, James FrancisO'Brien, Patrick (Kilkenny)Sullivan, Donal (Westmeath)
    Holland, William HenryO'Connor, T. P. (Liverpool)Talbot, Rt Hn J G (OxfordUniv.
    Horniman, Frederick JohnPalmer, Sir Chas. M. (Durham)Tanner, Charles Kearns
    Jacoby, James AlfredPickard, BenjaminThomas, David Alfred (Merthyr
    Joicey, Sir JamesPickersgill, Edward HareUre, Alexander
    Jones, D. Brynmor (Swansea)Price, Robert JohnWallace, Robert
    Jones, William Carnarvonsh.Provand, Andrew DryburghWalton, Joseph (Barnsley)
    Labouchere, HenryRichards, Henry CharlesWhiteley, George (Stockport)
    Lewis, John HerbertRickett, J. ComptonWilson, Henry J. (York, W. R.)
    MacDonnell, Dr M A (Queen'sC.Roberts, John Bryu (Eifion)Wilson, J. H. (Middlesbrough)
    MacNeill, John Gordon SwiftRoberts, John H. (Denbighs.)Woodhouse, Sir J T (Huddersfld)
    M'Leod, JohnRunciman, WalterWoods, Samuel
    Maddison, FredSamuel, J. (Stockton-on-Tees)Yoxall, James Henry
    Mendl, Sigismund FerdinandScott, Chas. Prestwich (Leigh)
    Molloy, Bernard CharlesSoames, Arthur WellesleyTELLERS FOR THE NOES—
    Montagu, Sir S. (Whitechapel)Souttar, RobinsonMr. Channing and Mr. Steadman.
    Morgan, J. Lloyd(CarmarthenSpicer, Albert

    Class I

    3, Motion made, and Question put, "That a sum, not exceeding £22,000, be granted to Her Majesty, to complete the sum necessary to defray the Charge which will come in course of payment

    AYES.

    Aird, JohnCharrington, SpencerFowler, Rt. Hon. Sir Henry
    Allsopp, Hon. GeorgeClare, Octavius LeighFry, Lewis
    Anson, Sir William ReynellCoghill, Douglas HarryGalloway, William Johnson
    Arrol, Sir WilliamCohen, Benjamin LouisGarfit, William
    Asher, AlexanderCollings, Rt. Hon. JesseGedge, Sydney
    Ashmead-Bartlett, Sir EllisColomb, Sir John Charles ReadyGibbons, J. Lloyd
    Ashton, Thomas GairColston, Chas. Edw. H. AtholeGibbs, Hn. A. G. H.(City of Lond
    Atkinson, Rt. Hon. JohnColville, JohnGiles, Charles Tyrrell
    Bailey, James (Walworth)Cook, Fred. Lucas (Lambeth)Godson, Sir Augustus Fredk.
    Balcarres, LordCooke, C. W. R. (Hereford)Gorst, Rt. Hon. Sir J. Eldon
    Balfour, Rt. Hon. A. J. (Manch'rCorbett, A. Cameron (Glasgow)Goschen, Rt. Hn. G. J. (St. Geo's
    Balfour, Rt. Hn Gerald W(LeedsCornwallis, Fiennes Stanley W.Goschen, George J. (Sussex)
    Barnes, Frederic GorellCotton-Jodrell, Col. Edw. T. D.Goulding, Edward Alfred
    Bartley, George C. T.Cox, Irwin Edward BainbridgeGourley, Sir Edw. Temperley
    Beach, Rt. Hn. Sir M. H. (BristolCripps, Charles AlfredGreen, W. D. (Wednesbury)
    Beach, Rt. Hn. W. W. B. (Hants.Cross, H. Shepherd (Bolton)Greene, H. D. (Shrewsbury)
    Beckett, Ernest WilliamCurzon, ViscountGreville, Hon. Ronald
    Bentinck, Lord Henry C.Davies, Sir Horatio D(ChathamGuest, Hon. Ivor Churchill
    Bethell, CommanderDewar, ArthurGull, Sir Cameron
    Bhownaggree, Sir M. M.Dilke, Rt. Hon. Sir CharlesHalsey, Thomas Frederick
    Bigwood, JamesDisraeli, Conings by RalphHamilton, Rt. Hon. Lord G.
    Bill, CharlesDonkin, Richard SimHanbury, Rt. Hon. RobertWm.
    Blundell, Colonel HenryDouglas, Rt. Hon. A. Akers-Hardy, Laurence
    Bramsdon, Thomas ArthurDouglas, Charles M. (Lanark)Harwood, George
    Brassey, AlbertDoxford, Sir Wm. TheodoreHaslett, Sir James Horner
    Broadhurst, HenryDuckworth, JamesHayne, Rt. Hn. Charles Seale-
    Brodrick, Rt. Hon. St. JohnDyke, lit. Hon. Sir Wm. HartHazell, Walter
    Brown, Alexander H.Edwards, Owen MorganHeath, James
    Billiard, Sir HarryEgerton, Hon. A. de TattonHill, Arthur (Down, West)
    Burt, ThomasEmmott, AlfredHoare, E. Brodie (Hampstead)
    Butcher, John GeorgeFaber, George DenisonHoare, Sir Samuel (Norwich)
    Buxton, Sydney CharlesFellowes, Hon. Ailwyn Edw.Holland, William Henry
    Caldwell, JamesFerguson, R. C. Munro (Leith)Hornby, Sir William Henry
    Carlile, William WalterFergusson, Rt Hn Sir J.(Manch).Horniman, Frederick John
    Carson, Rt. Hon. Sir Edw. H.Field, Admiral (Eastbourne)Houston, R. P.
    Cavendish, Y. C. W. (Derbysh.Finlay, Sir Robert BannatyneHoward, Joseph
    Cawley, FrederickFirbank, Joseph ThomasHudson, George Bickersteth
    Cayzer, Sir Charles WilliamFisher, William HayesHutchinson, Capt. G. W. Grice-
    Cecil, Evelyn (Hertford, East)Fitz Gerald, Sir Robert PenroseHutton, John (Yorks, N. R.)
    Cecil, Lord Hugh (Greenwich)Fitz Wygram, General Sir F.Jackson, Rt. Hon. Wm.Lawies
    Chamberlain, Rt. Hon. J. (Birm.Flannery, Sir FortescueJacoby, James Alfred
    Chamberlain, J Austen (Worc'rFlower, ErnestJeffreys, Arthur Frederick
    Channing, Francis AllstonFoster, Colonel (LancasterJenkins, Sir John Jones
    Chaplin, Rt. Hon. HenryFoster, Harry S. (Suffolk)Jessel, Capt. Herbert Merton

    during the year ending on the 31st day of March, 1901, for the Houses of Parliament Buildings."

    The Committee divided:—Ayes, 262; Noes, 34. (Division List No. 263.)

    Jones, David Brynmor (Swans'aMore, Robt. Jasper (ShropshireSimeon, Sir Barrington
    Jones, Wm. (Carnarvonshire)Morrell, George HerbertSkewes-Cox, Thomas
    Kenyon, JamesMorrison, Jas. A. (Wilts., S.)Smith, Abel H. (Christchurch)
    Kimber, HenryMorton, Arthur H. A (Deptford)Smith, James Parker (Lanarks.
    Lafone, AlfredMorton, E. J. C. (Devonport)Smith, Hon. W. F. D. (Strand)
    Laurie, Lieut. -GeneralMurray, Rt Hn A. Graham(ButeSouttar, Robinson
    Lawrence, Sir E Durning- (CornMurray, Charles J. (Coventry)Spencer, Ernest
    Lawrence, Wm. F. (Liverpool)Murray, Col. Wyndham (Bath)Spicer, Albert
    Lawson, John Grant (Yorks.)Newdigate, Francis Alexand'rStanley, Hon Arthur(Ormskirk
    Lea, Sir Thomas(Londonderry)Nicol, Donald NinianStanley, Edw. Jas. (Somerset)
    Leese, Sir J. F. (Accrington)O'Neill, Hon. Robert TorrensStephens, Henry Charles
    Leigh-Bennett, Henry CurriePalmer, Sir Charles M. (DurhamStock, James Henry
    Lewis, John HerbertPaulton, James MellorStrachey, Edward
    Llewellyn, E. H. (Somerset)Peel, Hn. Wm Robert WellesleyStrauss, Arthur
    Llewelyn, Sir Dillwyn-(SwnseaPenn, JohnStrutt, Hon. Charles Hedley
    Lockwood, Lt.-Col. A. R.Phillpotts, Captain ArthurSturt, Hon. Humphry Napier
    Long, Col. Chas. W. (Evesham)Pickard, BenjaminThornton, Percy M.
    Lonsdale, John BrownleePickersgill, Edward HareTollemache, Henry James
    Lopes, Henry Yarde BullerPierpoint, RobertTomlinson, Wm. Edw. Murray
    Lowe, Francis WilliamPilkington, R. (Lancs, Newton)Tritton, Charles Ernest
    Lowles, JohnPollock, Harry FrederickUre, Alexander
    Loyd, Archie KirkmanPurvis, RobertVerney, Hn. Richard Greville
    Lucas-Shadwell, WilliamPym, C. GuyWallace, Robert
    Lyttelton, Hon. AlfredRasch, Major Frederic CarneWelby, Lt-Col. A. C. E. (Tauntn
    Macartney, W. G. EllisonRemnant, James FarquharsonWhiteley, George (Stockport)
    Macdona, John CummingRentoul, James AlexanderWhiteley, H. (Ashton-under-L.
    MacIver, David (Liverpool)Richards, Henry CharlesWilliams, J. Powell- (Birm.)
    Maclure, Sir John WilliamRichardson, Sir T.(Hartlepool)Willox, Sir John Archibald
    M'Arthur, Charles (Liverpool)Rickett, J. ComptonWilson, Henry J. (York, W. R.)
    M'Arthur, William (Cornwall)Ridley, Rt. Hn. Sir Matthew W.Wilson, J. W. (Worcestersh, N.)
    M'Killop, JamesRitchie, Rt. Hon Chas ThomsonWilson-Todd, W. H. (Yorks.)
    Maddison, Fred.Roberts, John H. (Denbighs.)Wodehouse, Rt. Hn. E. R. (Bath)
    Malcolm, IanRollit, Sir Albert KayeWoodhouse, Sir J T (Huddersf'd
    Manners, Lord Edward Wm. J.Royds, Clement MolyneuxWortley, Rt. Hn. C. B. Stuart-
    Martin, Richard BiddulphRunciman, WalterWrightson, Sir Thomas
    Massey-Mainwaring, Hon W. FRussell, T. W. (Tyrone)Wylie, Alexander
    Mellor, Colonel (Lancashire)Sandon, ViscountWyndham, George
    Melville, Beresford ValentineSandys, Lt.-Col. Thos. MylesWyvill, Marmaduke D'Arcy
    Mendl, Sigismund FerdinandScoble, Sir Andrew RichardYoung, Commander(Berks, E.)
    Middlemore, Jn. ThrogmortonScott, Chas. Prestwich (Leigh)Yoxall, James Henry
    Milbank, Sir Powlett C. JohnSeely, Charles Hilton
    Monckton, Edward PhilipSeton-Karr, HenryTELLERS FOR THE AYES—
    Monk, Charles JamesSharpe, William Edward T.Sir William Walrond and Mr. Anstruther.
    Moon, Edward Robert PacyShaw-Stewart, M. H.(Renfrew)
    Moore, William (Antrim, N.)Sidebottom, Wm. (Derbyshire)

    NOES.

    Abraham, William (Cork, N. E.)Hogan, James FrancisRoberts, John Bryn (Eifion)
    Abraham, William (Rhondda)Joicey, Sir JamesSamuel, J. (Stockton-on-Tees)
    Atherley-Jones, L.Labouchere, HenrySoames, Arthur Wellesley
    Billson, AlfredMacDonnell, Dr. M. A (Qn.'sCo.Steadman, William Charles
    Blake, EdwardM'Leod, JohnSullivan, Donal (Westmeath)
    Bolton, Thomas DollingMolloy, Bernard CharlesThomas, David Alfd. (Merthyr)
    Brigg, JohnMontagu, Sir S.(Whitechapel)Walton, Joseph (Barnsley)
    Cameron, Bobert (Durham)Morgan, J. L. (Carmarthen)Wilson, J. H.(Middlesbrough)
    Curran, Thomas B. (Donegal)Morgan W. Pritchard(MerthyrWoods, Samuel
    Dalziel, James HenryO'Brien, Patrick (Kilkenny)
    Donelan, Captain A.O'Connor, T. P. (Liverpool)TELLERS FOR THE NOES—
    Doogan, P. C.Price, Robert JohnMr. MacNeill and Dr. Tanner.
    Griffith, Ellis J.Provand, Andrew Dryburgh

    I have to acquaint the Committee that during the course of the division that has just been taken the hon. Member for Mid Cork, having been named as a teller, came up to me, and after using some insulting expressions, said he considered it was a great impertinence on my part to have named him as a teller. In these circumstances I consider his conduct was grossly disorderly within the meaning of Standing Order XXVII. I have to request the hon. Member to immediately withdraw from the House for the remainder of this sitting.

    Of course I go, Mr. Lowther, but I simply say that you told me first upon my merely asking you a question that it was an impertinence on my part to ask it. I ask only for justice in this place. Prime Minister's minion that you are. I defy you all. As an Irishman I leave the House with a great deal more pleasure than I came into it. I tell it to your teeth. Yon are always the same.

    AYES.

    Aird, JohnDisraeli, Coningsby RalphHudson, George Bickersteth
    Allsopp, Hon. GeorgeDonkin, Richard SimHughes, Colonel Edwin
    Anson, Sir William ReynellDouglas, Rt. Hon. A. Akers-Hutchinson, Capt. G. W. Grice-
    Arrol, Sir WilliamDoxford, Sir William TheodoreHutton, John (Yorks, N.R.)
    Asher, AlexanderDuckworth, JamesJackson, Rt. Hon. Wm. Lawies
    Ashmead-Bartlett, Sir EllisDyke, Rt. Hon. Sir Wm. H.Jacoby, James Alfred
    Atkinson, Rt. Hon. JohnEgerton, Hon. A. de TattonJeffreys, Arthur Frederick
    Bailey, James (Walworth)Emmott, AlfredJenkins, Sir John Jones
    Balcarres, LordFaber, George DenisonJessel, Capt. Herbert Merton
    Balfour, Rt. Hon. A. J. (Manch'rFellowes, Hon. Ailwyn Edw.Joicey, Sir James
    Balfour, Rt. Hn Gerald W (LeedsFerguson, R. C. Munro (LeithJones, David Brynmor (Sw'ns'a
    Barnes, Frederic GorellFergusson, Rt. Hn. Sir J. (Man'rKenyon, James
    Beach, Rt. Hn. Sir M. H (Bristol)Field, Admiral (Eastbourne)Keswick, William
    Beach, Rt. Hon. W. W B (Hants.Finlay, Sir Robert BannatyneKimber, Henry
    Beckett, Ernest WilliamFirbank, Joseph ThomasLafone, Alfred
    Bentinck, Lord Henry C.Fisher, William HayesLaurie, Lieut.-General
    Bethell, CommanderFitz Gerald, Sir Robert Penrose-Lawrence Sir E. Durning-(Corn)
    Bhownaggree, Sir M. M.Fitz Wygram, General Sir F.Lawrence, Wm. F. (Liverpool)
    Bigwood, JamesFlannery, Sir FortescueLawson, John Grant (Yorks.)
    Bill, CharlesFlower, ErnestLea, Sir T. (Londonderry)
    Blundell, Colonel HenryFoster, Colonel (Lancaster)Leese, Sir Joseph F. (Accrington
    Bramsdon, Thomas ArthurFoster, Harry S. (Suffolk)Leigh-Bennett, Henry Currie
    Brassey, AlbertFowler, lit. Hon. Sir HenryLlewellyn, E. H. (Somerset)
    Brodrick, Rt. Hon. St. JohnFry, LewisLlewelyn, Sir D.- (Swansea)
    Brown, Alexander H.Galloway, Wm. JohnsonLockwood, Lt.-Col. A. R.
    Ballard, Sir HarryGartit, WilliamLong, Col. Chas. W. (Evesham
    Burt, ThomasGedge, SydneyLonsdale, John Brownlee
    Butcher, John GeorgeGibbons, J. LlovdLopes, Henry Yarde Buller
    Buxton, Sydney CharlesGibbs, Hn. A. G. H.(City of LondLowe, Francis William
    Carlile, William WalterGiles, Charles TyrrellLowles, John
    Carson, Rt. Hon. Sir Edw. H.Godson, Sir Augustus Fred.Loyd, Archie Kirkman
    Cavendish, V. C. W. (Derbys.Gorst, Rt. Hon. Sir John EldonLucas-Shadwell, William
    Cayzer, Sir Charles WilliamGoschen, Rt. Hn. G. J. (St. Geo.'sLyttelton, Hon. Alfred
    Cecil, Evelyn (Hertford, East)Goschen, George J. (Sussex)Macartney, W. G. Ellison
    Cecil, Lord Hugh (Greenwich)Goulding, Edward AlfredMacdona, John Cumming
    Chamberlain, Rt. Hon. J (Birm.Green, W. D. (Wednesbury)MacIver, David (Liverpool)
    Chamberlain, J Austen (Worc'rGreene, H. D. (Shrewsbury)Maclure, Sir John William
    Charming, Francis AllstonGreville, Hon. RonaldM'Arthur, Charles (Liverpool
    Chaplin, Rt. Hon. HenryGuest, Hon. Ivor ChurchillM'Arthur, William (Cornwall
    Charrington, SpencerGull, Sir CameronM'Kenna, Reginald
    Clare, Octavius LeighGuthrie, Walter MurrayM'Killop, James
    Coghill, Douglas HarryHalsey, Thomas FrederickMalcolm, Ian
    Cohen, Benjamin LouisHamilton, Rt. Hon. Lord Geo.Manners, Lord Edward Wm. J.
    Collings, Rt. Hon. JesseHanbury, Rt. Hon. Rbt. Wm.Martin, Richard Biddulph
    Colomb, Sir John Charles ReadyHardy, LaurenceMassey-Mainwaring, Hn. W. F,
    Colston, Chas. Edw. H. AtholeHarwood, GeorgeMellor, Colonel (Lancashire)
    Cook, Fred. Lucas (Lambeth)Haslett, Sir James HornerMelville, Beresford Valentine
    Cooke, C. W. Radcliffe (Heref'd)Hayne, Rt. Hon. Charles Seale-Mendl, Sigismund Ferdinand
    Corbett, A. Cameron(Glasgow)Hazell, WalterMiddlemore, J. Throgmorton
    Cornwallis, Fiennes Stanley W.Heath, JamesMilbank, Sir Powlett Chas. J.
    Cotton-Jodrell, Col. E. T. D.Hill, Arthur (Down, West)Monckton, Edward Philip
    Cox, Irwin Edwd. BainbridgeHoare, E. Brodie (Hampstead)Monk, Charles James
    Cripps, Charles AlfredHoare, Sir Samuel (Norwich)Moon, Edward Robert Pacy
    Gross, H. Shepherd (Bolton)Holland, William HenryMoore, William (Antrim, N.)
    Curzon, ViscountHornby, Sir William HenryMore, Robert J. (Shropshire)
    Davies, Sir H. D. (Chatham)Houston, R. P.Morgan, J. Lloyd (Carmarthen)
    Dilke, Rt. Hon. Sir CharlesHoward, JosephMorrell, George Herbert

    4. Motion made, and Question put, "That a sum, not exceeding £35,000, be granted to Her Majesty, to complete the sum necessary to defray the Charge which will come in course of payment during the year ending on the 31st day of March, 1901, for Expenditure in respect of Miscellaneous Legal Buildings."

    The Committee divided:—Ayes, 251, Noes, 46. (Division List No. 264.)

    Morrison, James A. (Wilts. S.)Ritchie, Rt. Hon. C. ThomsonSturt, Hon. Humphry Napier
    Morton, A. H. A. (Deptford)Roberts, John H. (Denbighs.)Talbot, Lord E. (Chichester)
    Murray, Rt. Hn. A. G. (Bute)Rollit, Sir Albert KayeTalbot, Rt. Hn. JG(Oxf'd Univ.
    Murray, Charles J. (CoventryRound, JamesThornton, Percy M.
    Murray, Col. Wyndham (Bath)Royds, Clement MolyneuxTollemache, Henry James
    Newdigate, Francis AlexanderRunviman, WalterTomlinson, Wm. Edw.Murray
    Nicol, Donald NinianRussell, T. W. (Tyrone)Tritton, Charles Ernest
    O'Neill, Hon. Robert TorrensSandon, ViscountVerney, Hon. Richard Greville
    Palmer, Sir Charles M.(DurhamSandys, Lt.-Col. Thos. MylesWallace, Robert
    Paulton, James MellorScoble, Sir Andrew RichardWalton, Joseph (Barnsley)
    Peel, Hn. Wm Robert WellesleySeely, Charles HiltonWelby, Lt-Col. A. C. E (Taunton
    Penn, JohnSeton-Karr, HenryWhiteley, H. (Ashton-under-L.
    Philpotts, Captain ArthurSharpe, William Edward T.Williams, J. Powell- (Birm.)
    Pickersgill, Edward HareShaw-Stewart, M. H. (Renfrew)Willox, Sir John Archibald
    Pierpoint, RobertSidebottom, Wm. (Derbyshire)Wilson, J. W. (Worcestersh, N.
    Pilkington, R. (Lancs., NewtonSimeon, Sir BarringtonWilson-Todd, Wm. H. (Yorks.)
    Pollock, Harry FrederickSkewes-Cox, ThomasWodehouse, Rt Hn E. R. (Bath)
    Pretyman, Ernest GeorgeSmith, Abel H. (Christchurch)Woodhouse, Sir J T (Huddersf'd
    Provand, Andrew DryburghSmith, James P. (Lanarks.)Wortley, Rt. Hn. C.B. Stuart-
    Purvis, RobertSmith, Hon. W. F. D. (Strand)Wrightson, Sir Thomas
    Pym, C. GuySpencer, ErnestWylie, Alexander
    Rasch, Major Frederic CarneSpicer, AlbertWyndham, George
    Remnant, James FarquharsonStanley, Hon Arthur (OrmskirkWyvill, Marmaduke D'Arcy
    Rentoul, James AlexanderStanley, Edward J. (Somerset)Young, Commander(Berks, E.)
    Richards, Henry CharlesStephens, Henry Charles
    Richardson, Sir Thos. (Hartlep'lStock, James HenryTELLERS FOR THE AYES—
    Rickett, J. ComptonStrauss, ArthurSir William Walrond and. Mr. Anstruther.
    Ridley, Rt. Hon. Sir M. W.Strutt, Hon. Charles Hedley

    NOES.

    Abraham, Wm. (Cork, N.E.)Douglas, Charles M. (Lanark)Price, Robert John
    Abraham, William (Rhondda)Edwards, Owen MorganRoberts, John Bryn (Eifion)
    Asbton, Thomas GairGourley, Sir Edward TemperleySoames, Arthur Wellesley
    Atherley-Jones, L.Griffith, Ellis J.Souttar, Robinson
    Billson, AlfredHogan, James FrancisSteadman, William Charles
    Blake, EdwardHorniman, Frederick JohnStrachey, Edward
    Bolton, Thomas DollingJones, Wm. (Carnarvonshire)Sullivan, Donal (Westmeath)
    Brigg, JohnLewis, John HerbertThomas, David A. (Merthyr)
    Broadhurst, HenryMacDonnell, Dr. M. A. (Qn's CoUre, Alexander
    Caldwell, JamesMacNeill, John Gordon SwiftWhiteley, George (Stockport)
    Cameron, Robert (Durham)M'Leod, JohnWilson, Henry J.(York, W. R.)
    Cawley, FrederickMaddison, Fred.Woods, Samuel
    Curran, Thomas B. (Donegal)Montagu, Sir S. (Whitechapel)Yoxall, James Henry
    Dalziel, James HenryMorgan, W. P. (Merthyr)
    Dewar, ArthurO'Brien, Patrick (Kilkenny)TELLERS FOR THE NOES—
    Donelan, Captain A.O'Connor, T. P. (Liverpool)Mr. Jonathan Samuel and Mr. Havelock Wilson.
    Doogan, P. C.Pickard, Benjamin

    5. £16,000, to complete the sum Art and Science Buildings, Great Britain.

    6. £18,000, to complete the sum Peterhead Harbour.

    7. £226,403, to complete the sum Rates on Government Property.

    8. £132,685, to complete the sum Public Works and Buildings, Ireland.

    9. £35,487, to complete the sum Railways, Ireland.

    AYES.

    Aird, JohnBailey, James (Walworth)Beach, Rt. Hn. W. W. B. (Hants.
    Allsopp, Hon. GeorgeBalcarres, LordBeckett, Ernest William
    Anson, Sir William ReynellBalfour, Rt. Hn. A. J. (Manc'rBentinck, Lord Henry C.
    Arrol, Sir WilliamBalfour, Rt Hn Gerald W (LeedsBethell, Commander
    Ashmead-Bartlett, Sir EllisBarnes, Frederic GorellBhownaggree, Sir M. M.
    Atkinson, Rt. Hon. JohnBeach, Rt. Hn. Sir M. H. (BristolBigwood, James

    Clash Ii

    10. Motion made, and Question put, "That a sum, not exceeding £4,297, be granted to Her Majesty, to complete the sum necessary to defray the Charge which will come in course of payment during the year ending on the 31st day of March, 1901, for the Salaries and Expenses of the Offices of the House of Lords."

    The Committee divided:—Ayes, 218; Noes, 82. (Division List No. 265.)

    Bill, CharlesGall, Sir CameronNicol, Donald Ninian
    Blundell, Colonel HenryGuthrie, Walter MurrayO'Neill, Hon. Robt. Torrens
    Brassey, AlbertHalsey, Thomas FrederickPeel, Hon. Wm. Robt Wellesley
    Brodrick, Rt. Hon. St. JohnHamilton, Rt. Hon. Lord G.Penn, John
    Brown, Alexander H.Hanbury, Rt. Hon. Robert Wm.Phillpotts, Captain Arthur
    Bullard, Sir HarryHardy, LaurencePierpoint, Robert
    Butcher, John GeorgeHaslett, Sir James HornerPilkington, R.(Lancs, Newton)
    Carlile, William WalterHeath, JamesPollock, Harry Frederick
    Carson, Rt. Hon. Sir Edw. H.Hill, Arthur (Down, West)Pretyman, Ernest George
    Cavendish, V.C. W. (Derbysh.Hoare, E. Brodie (Hampstead)Purvis, Robert
    Cayzer, Sir Charles WilliamHoare, Sir Samuel (Norwich)Pym, C. Guy
    Cecil, Evelyn (Hertford, East)Hornby, Sir William HenryRemnant, James Farquharson
    Cecil, Lord H. (Greenwich)Houston, R. P.Rentoul, James Alexander
    Chamberlain, Rt. Hon J. (Birm.Howard, JosephRichards, Henry Charles
    Chamberlain, J. A. (Worc'r)Hudson, George BickerstethRichardson, Sir Thos. (Hartlep'l
    Chaplin, Rt. Hon. HenryHughes, Colonel EdwinRidley, Rt. Hon. Sir Matthew W
    Charrington, SpencerHutchinson, Capt. G. W. Grice-Ritchie, tit. Hon Chas Thomson
    Chare, Octavius LeighHutton, John (Yorks, N.R.)Rollit, Sir Albert Kaye
    Coghill, Douglas HarryJackson, Rt. Hon. Wm. LawiesRound, James
    Cohen, Benjamin LouisJeffreys, Arthur FrederickRoyds, Clement Molyneux
    Collings, Rt. Hon. JesseJenkins, Sir John JonesRussell, T. W. (Tyrone)
    Colomb, Sir John Charles ReadyJessel, Capt. Herbert MortonSandon, Viscount
    Colston, Chas. Edw. H. AtholeKenyon, JamesSandys, Lieut-Col. Thos.Myles
    Cook, Fred. Lucas (Lambeth)Keswick, WilliamScoble, Sir Andrew Richard
    Cooke, C.W. Radcliffe (Heref'd)Kimber HenrySeely, Charles Hilton
    Corbett, A.Cameron (Glasgow)Lafone, AlfredSeton-Karr, Henry
    Cornwallis, Fiennes Stanley W.Laurie, Lieut.-GeneralSharpe, William Edward T.
    Cotton-Jodrell, Col.Edw.T.D.Lawrence, Sir E. Durntng-(CornShaw-Stewart, M. H. (Renfrew)
    Cox, Irwin Edward BainbridgeLawrence, Win. F. (Liverpool)Sidebottom, Wm. (Derbyshire)
    Cripps, Charles AlfredLawson, John Giant (Yorks.)Simeon, Sir Harrington
    Cross, Herb. Shepherd (Bolton)Lea, Sir Thomas (LondonderrySinclair, Louis (Romford)
    Curzon, ViscountLeigh-Bennett, Henry CurrieSkewes-Cox, Thomas
    Davies, Sir Horatio D(ChathamLlewellyn, E. H. (Somerset)Smith, Abel H. (Christchurch)
    Disraeli, Coningsby RalphLlewelyn, Sir Dillwyn-(Sw'ns'aSmith, James P. (Lanarks.)
    Donkin, Richard SimLockwood, Lt.-Col. A. R.Spencer, Ernest
    Douglas, Rt. Hon. A. Akers.Long, Col. C. W. (Evesham)Stanley, Hon Arthur(Ormskirk
    Doxford, Sir William TheodoreLonsdale, John BrownleeStanley, Edward J. (Somerset)
    Dyke, Rt Hon. Sir William HartLopes, Henry Yarde BullerStephens, Henry Charles
    Egerton, Hon. A. de TattonLowe, Francis WilliamStock, James Henry
    Faber, George DenisonLowles, JohnStrauss, Arthur
    Fellowes, Hon. Ailwyn EdwardLoyd, Archie KirkmanStrutt, Hon. Charles Hedley
    Fergusson, Rt Hn Sir J. (Manc'r)Lucas-Shad well, WilliamStart, Hon. Humphry Napier
    Field, Admiral (Eastbourne)Lyttelton, Hon. AlfredTalbot, Lord E. (Chichester)
    Finlay, Sir Robert BannatyneMacartney, W. G. Ellison;Talbot, Rt Hon. JG(Oxf'd Univ.
    Firbank, Joseph ThomasMacdona, John CummingThornton, Percy M.
    Fisher, William HayesMaclure, Sir John WilliamTollemache, Henry James
    FitzGerahd, Sir Robert Penrose -M'Arthur, Charles (Liverpool)Tomlinson, Wm. Edw. Murray
    Fitz Wygram, General Sir F.M'Killop, JamesTritton, Charles Ernest
    Flannery, Sir FortescueMalcolm, IanVerney, Hon. Richard Greville
    Flower, ErnestManners, Lord Edward Wm. J.Welby, Lt.-Col. A. CE (Taunton
    Foster, Colonel (Lancaster)Martin, Richard BiddulphWhiteley, H.(Ashton-under-L.
    Foster, Harry S. (Suffolk)Massey-Mainwaring, Hn. W.F.Williams, Jos. Powell-(Birm.)
    Fry, LewisMellor, Colonel (Lancashire)Willoughby de Eresby, Lord
    Galloway, William JohnsonMelville, Beresford ValentineWillox, Sir John Archibald
    Garfit, WilliamMiddlemore, John Throgmort'nWilson, J. W. (Worcestersh, N.
    Gedge, SydneyMilbank, Sir Fowlett Charles J.Wilson-Todd, W. H. (Yorks.)
    Gibbons, J. LloydMonckton, Edward PhilipWodehouse Rt. Hn. E. R(Bath)
    Gibbs, Hn. A.G.H (City of Lond.Monk, Charles JamesWortloy, Rt. Hon. C. B. Stuart-
    Giles, Charles TyrrellMoon, Edward Robert PacyWrightson, Sir Thomas
    Godson, Sir Augustus FrederickMoore, William (Antrim, N.)Wylie, Alexander
    Gorst, Rt. Hon. Sir J. EldonMore, Rt. Jasper (Shropshire)Wyndham, George
    Goschen, Rt Hn J G (St.George'sMorrell, George HerbertWyvill, Marmaduke D'Arey
    Goschen, George J. (Sussex)Morrison, Jas. A. (Wilts., S.)Young, Commandr (Berks, E.)
    Goulding, Edward AlfredMorton, Arthur H. A. (Deptford
    Green, Walford D (WednesburyMurray, Rt. Hon. A. G. (Bute)TELLERS FOR THE AYES—Sir William Walrond and Mr. Anstrutlier.
    Greene, Henry D. (Shrewsbury)Murray, Charles J. (Coventry)
    Greville, Hon. RonaldMurray, Col. Wyndham(Bath)
    Guest, Hon. Ivor ChurchillNewdigate, Francis Alexander

    NOES.

    Abraham, William (Cork, N. E.)Ashton, Thomas GairBillson, Alfred
    Abraham, William (Rhondda)Atherley-Jones, B.Blake, Edward
    Asher, AlexanderBayley, Thomas (Derbyshire)Bolton, Thomas Dolling

    Bramsdon, Thomas ArthurHorniman, Frederick JohnRoberts, John Bryn (Eifion)
    Brigg, JohnJacoby, James AlfredRoberts, John H. (Denbighs.)
    Broadhurst, HenryJoicey, Sir JamesRunciman, Walter
    Burt, ThomasJones, David B. (Swansea)Samuel, J. (Stockton-on Tees)
    Buxton, Sydney CharlesJones, Wm. (Carnarvonshire)Scott, Chas. Prestwich (Leigh)
    Caldwell, JamesLeese, Sir J. F. (Accrington)Soames, Arthur Wellesley
    Cameron, Robert (Durham)Lewis, John HerbertSouttar, Robinson
    Cawley, FrederickMacDonnell, Dr. M. A. (Qn's CoSpicer, Albert
    Channing, Francis AllstonMacNeill, John Gordon SwiftSteadman, William Charles
    Curran, Thomas B. (Donegal)M'Arthur, William (Cornwall)Strachey, Edward
    Dalziel, James HenryM'Kenna, ReginaldSullivan, Donal (Westmeath)
    Dewar, ArthurM'Leod. JohnThomas, David Alfred (Merthyr
    Dilke, Rt. Hn. Sir CharlesMendl, Sigismund FerdinandUre, Alexander
    Donelan, Captain A.Montagu, Sir S. (Whitechapel)Wallace, Robert
    Doogan, P. C.Morgan, J. Lloyd (Carmarthen)Walton, Joseph (Barnsley)
    Douglas, Charles M. (Lanark)Morgan, W. P. (Merthyr)Whiteley, George (Stockport)
    Duckworth, JamesMorton, E. J. C. (Devonport)Wilson, Henry J. (York, W.R.)
    Edwards, Owen MorganMoss, SamuelWilson, Jos. H. (Middlesbrough
    Emmott. AlfredO'Brien, Patrick (Kilkenny)Woodhouse, Sir JT (Huddersfld
    Gourley, Sir Edward TemperleyPalmer, Sir Chas. M.(Durham)Woods, Samuel
    Griffith, Ellis J.Paulton, James MellorYoxall, James Henry
    Harwood, GeorgePickard, Benjamin
    Hayne, Rt. Hn. Charles Seale-Pickersgill, Edward HareTELLERS FOR THE NOES—
    Hazell, WalterPrice, Robert JohnMr. Maddison and Mr. T. P. O'Connor.
    Hogan, James FrancisProvand, Andrew Dryburgh
    Holland, William HenryRickett, J. Compton

    11. £14,896, to complete the sum for House of Commons Offices.

    12. Motion made, and Question put, "That a sum not exceeding £96,407, be granted to Her Majesty, to complete the sum necessary to defray the Charge which will come in course of payment during

    AYES.

    Aird, JohnClare, Octavius LeighFry, Lewis
    Allsopp, Hon. GeorgeCoghill, Douglas HairyGalloway, William Johnson
    Anson, Sir William ReynellCohen, Benjamin LouisGarfit, William
    Arrol, Sir WilliamCollings, Rt. Hon. JesseGedge, Sydney
    Ashmead-Bartlett, Sir EllisColomb, Sir John Charles ReadyGibbons, J. Lloyd
    Atkinson, Rt. Hon. JohnColston, Chas. Edw. H. AtholeGibbs, Hn A. G. H. (City of Lond.
    Bailey, James (Walworth)Cook, Fred. Lucas (Lambeth)Giles, Charles Tyrrell
    Balcarres, LordCooke, C. W. Radcliffe (Heref'd)Godson, Sir Augustus Fred.
    Balfour, Rt. Hn. A. J. (Manch'rCorbett, A. Cameron (GlasgowGorst, Rt. Hon. Sir John Eldon
    Balfour, Rt. Hn Gerald W (LeedsCornwallis, Fiennes Stanley W.Goschen, Rt. Hn.G J. (St. Geo.'s
    Barnes, Frederic GorellCotton-Jodrell, Col.Edw.T.D.Goschen, George J. (Sussex)
    Beach, Rt. Hn. Sir M. H. (BristolCox, Irwin Edw. BainbridgeGoulding, Edward Alfred
    Beach, Rt. Hn. W. W. B. (HantsCross, Herb. Shepherd (Bolton)Gourley, Sir Edward T.
    Beckett, Ernest WilliamCurzon, ViscountGreen, W. D. (Wednesbury)
    Bentinck, Lord Henry C.Davies, Sir H. D. (Chatham)Greene, HenryD.(Shrewsbury)
    Bethell, CommanderDisraeli, Coningsby RalphGreville, Hon. Ronald
    Bhownaggree, Sir M. M.Donkin, Richard SimGuest, Hon. Ivor Churchill
    Bigwood, JamesDouglas, Rt. Hon. A. Akers-Gull, Sir Cameron
    Bill, CharlesDoxford, Sir William TheodoreGuthrie, Walter Murray
    Blundell, Colonel HenryDyke, Rt. Hon. Sir Wm. H.Halsey, Thomas Frederick
    Brassey, AlbertEgerton, Hon. A. de TattonHamilton, Rt. Hon. Lord George
    Brodrick, Rt. Hon. St. JohnFaber, George DenisonHanbury, Rt. Hon. Robert W.
    Brown, Alexander H.Fellowes, Hon. Ailwyn Edw.Hardy, Laurence
    Bullard, Sir HarryFergusson, Rt. Hn. Sir J. (Manc'rHaslett, Sir James Horner
    Butcher, John GeorgeField, Admiral (Eastbourne)Heath, James
    Carlile, William WalterFinlay, Sir Robert BannatyneHill, Arthur (Down, West)
    Carson, Rt. Hon. Sir Edw. H.Firbank, Joseph ThomasHoare, Edw Brodie (Hampstead
    Cavendish, V. C. W. (Derbys.Fisher, William HayesHoare, Sir Samuel (Norwich)
    Cayzer, Sir Charles WilliamFitzGerald, Sir R. Penrose-Hornby, Sir William Henry
    Cecil, Evelyn (Hertford, East)Fitz Wygram, General Sir F.Houston, R. P.
    Chamberlain, Rt. Hn. J. (Birm.Flannery, Sir FortescueHoward, Joseph
    Chamberlain, J. A. (Worc'r)Flower, ErnestHudson, George Bickersteth
    Chaplin, Rt. Hon. HenryFoster, Colonel (Lancaster)Hughes, Colonel Edwin
    Charrington, SpencerFoster, Harry S. (Suffolk)Hutchinson, Capt. G. W. Grice-

    the year ending on the 31st day of March, 1901, for the Salaries and Expenses of the Office of Her Majesty's Secretary of State for the Home Department and Subordinate Offices."

    The Committee divided:—Ayes, 221; Noes, 79. (Division List No. 266.)

    Hutton, John (Yorks, N.R.)Monk, Charles JamesShaw-Stewart, M. H. (Renfrew
    Jackson, Rt. Hon. Wm. LawiesMoon, Edward Robert PacySidebottom, Willian (Derbysh.
    Jeffreys, Arthur FrederickMoore, William (Antrim, N.)Simeon, Sir Harrington
    Jenkins, Sir John JonesMore, Robert J. (Shopshire)Sinclair, Louis (Romford)
    Jessel, Captain Herbert MertonMorrell, George HerbertSkewes-Cox, Thomas
    Joicey, Sir JamesMorrison, Jas. A. (Wilts, S.)Smith, Abel H. (Christchurch)
    Kenyon, JamesMorton, Arthur H. A. DeptfordSmith, Jas. Parker (Lanarks.)
    Keswick, WilliamMurray, Rt. Hn. A. G. (Bute)Smith, Hon. W. F. D. (Strand)
    Kimber, HenryMurray, Charles J. (Coventry)Spencer, Ernest
    Lafone, AlfredMurray, Col. Wyndham (BathStanley, Hon Arthur (Ormskirk
    Laurie, Lieut.-GeneralNewdigate, Francis AlexanderStanley, Edward J. (Somerset)
    Lawrence, Sir E Durning-(CornNicol, Donald NinianStephens, Henry Charles
    Lawrence, Wm. F. (LiverpoolO'Neill, Hon. Robert TorrensStirling-Maxwell, Sir John M.
    Lawson, John Grant (Yorks)Palmer, Sir Charles M (DurhamStock, James Henry
    Lea, Sir T. (Londonderry)Paulton, James MellorStrauss, Arthur
    Leigh-Bennett, Henry CurriePeel, Hon. William Robert W.Strutt, Hon. Charles Hedley
    Llewellyn, Evan H. (Somerset)Penn, JohnSturt, Hon. Humphry Napier
    Llewelyn, Sir Dillwyn(SwanseaPhillpotts, Captain ArthurTalbot, Lord E. (Chichester)
    Lock wood, Lt.-Col. A. R.Pierpoint, RobertThornton, Percy M.
    Long, Col. Chas. W. (EveshamPilkington, Rich (LancsNewt'nTollemache, Henry James
    Lonsdale, John BrownleePollock, Harry FrederickTomlinson, William Edw. M.
    Lopes, Henry Yarde BoilerPretyman, Ernest GeorgeTritton, Charles Ernest
    Lowe, Francis WilliamPurvis, RobertVerney, Hn. Richard Creville
    Lowles, JohnPym, C. GuyWelby, Lt-Col A.C.E. (Taunt'n
    Loyd, Archie KirkmanRasch, Major Frederic CarneWhiteley, H. (Ashton-under-L.
    Lucas-Shadwell, WilliamRemnant, James FarquharsonWilliams, Joseph Powell-(Birm
    Lyttelton, Hon. AlfredRentoul, James AlexanderWilloughby de Eres by, Lord
    Macartney, W. G. EllisonRichards, Henry CharlesWillox, Sir John Archibald
    Macdona, John CummingRichardson, Sir T. (Hartlepool)Wilson, J. W. (Worcestersh, N.
    Maclure, Sir John WilliamRidley, Rt. Hn. Sir Matthew W.Wilson-Todd, Wm. H. (Yorks)
    M'Arthur, Charles (Liverpool)Ritchie, Rt. Hn. Chas. ThomsonWodehouse, Rt. Hn. E. R. (Bath)
    M'Killop, JamesRollit, Sir Albert KayeWortley, Rt. Hon. C. B. Stuart-
    Malcolm, IanRound, JamesWrightson, Sir Thomas
    Manners, Lord Edward Wm. J.Royds, Clement MolyneuxWyhe, Alexander
    Martin, Richard BiddulphRussell, T. W. (Tyrone)Wyndham, George
    Massey-Main waring, Hn. W.F.Sandon, ViscountWyvill, Marmaduke D'Arcy
    Mellor, Colonel (Lancashire)Sandys, Lt.-Col. Thos. MylesYoung, Commander, (Berks, E.)
    Melville, Beresford ValentineScoble, Sir Andrew Richard
    Middlemore, J. ThrogmortonSeely, Charles HilsonTELLERS FOR THE AYES—
    Milbank, Sir Powlett Chas, J.Seton-Karr, HenrySir William Walrond and Mr. Anstruther.
    Monckton, Edward PhilipSharpe, William Edward T.

    NOES.

    Abraham, William (Cork, N.E.)Ferguson, R. C. Munro(Leith)Price, Robert John
    Abraham, William (Rhondda)Griffith, Ellis J.Provand, Andrew Dryburgh
    Asher, AlexanderHarwood, GeorgeRickett, J. Compton
    Ashton, Thomas GairHayne, Rt. Hon. Charles Seale-Roberts, John Bryn (Eifion)
    Atherley-Jones, L.Hazell, WalterRoberts, John H. (Denbighs.)
    Bayley, Thomas (Derbyshire)Hogan, James FrancisRunciman, Walter
    Billson, AlfredHolland, William HenrySamuel, J. (Stockton-on-Tees)
    Blake, EdwardHorniman, Frederick JohnScott, Chas. Prestwich (Leigh
    Bolton, Thomas DollingJacoby, James AlfredSoames, Arthar Wellesley
    Bramsdon, Thomas ArthurJones, David B. (Swansea)Souttar, Robinson
    Brigg, JohnJones, William (Carnarvonsh.)Spicer, Albert
    Broadhurst, HenryLeese, Sir J. F. (Accrington)Steadman, William Charles
    Burt, ThomasLewis, John HerbertStrachey, Edward
    Buxton, Sydney CharlesMacDonnell, Dr. ML A.(Qn'sC)Sullivan, Donal (Westmeath)
    Caldwell, JamesMacNeill, John Gordon SwiftThomas, David A. (Merthyr)
    Cameron, Robert (Durham)M'Arthur, William (Cornwall)Ure, Alexander
    Cawley, FrederickM'Kenna, ReginaldWallace, Robert
    Channing, Francis AllstonM'Leod, JohnWalton, Joseph (Barnsley)
    Curran, Thomas B. (DonegalMendl, Sigismund FerdinandWhiteley, George (Stockport)
    Dalziel, James HenryMontagu, Sir S.(Whitechapel)Wilson, Henry J. (York, W.R.
    Dewar, ArthurMorgan,J. Lloyd Carmarthen)Wilson, H. (Middlesbrough
    Dilke, Rt. Hon. Sir CharlesMorgan, W Pritchard(MerthyrWoodhouse, Sir J T (Huddersf'd
    Donelan, Captain A.Morton, Edw. J. C. (Devonport)Yoxall, James Henry
    Doogan, P. C.Moss, Samuel
    Douglas, Charles M. (LanarkO'Brien, Patrick (Kilkenny)TELLERS FOR THE NOES—
    Duckworth, JamesO'Connor, T. P. (Liverpool)Mr. Maddison and Mr. Woods.
    Edwards, Owen MorganPickard Benjamin
    Emmott, AlfredPickersgill, Edward Hare

    13. £133,561, to complete the sum for Board of Trade.

    14. Motion made, and Question put, "That a sum, not exceeding £64,018, be granted to Her Majesty, to complete the sum necessary to defray the Charge which will come in course of payment during

    AYES.

    Aird, JohnFergusson, Rt Hn Sir J. (Manc'r)Long, Col. Charles W (Evesham
    Allsopp, Hon. GeorgeField, Admiral (Eastbourne)Lonsdale, John Brownlee
    Anson, Sir William ReynellFinlay, Sir Robert BannatyneLopes, Henry Yarde Buller
    Arrol, Sir WilliamFirbank, Joseph ThomasLowe, Francis William
    Asher, AlexanderFisher, William HayesLowles, John
    Ashmead-Bartlett, Sir EllisFitzGerald, Sir Robert Penrose-Loyd, Archie Kirkman
    Atherley-Jones, L.Fitz Wygram, General Sir F.Lucas-Shadwell, William
    Atkinson, Rt. Hon. JointFlannery, Sir FortescueLyttelton, Hon. Alfred
    Bailey, James (Walworth)Flower, ErnestMacartney, W. G. Ellison
    Balcarres, LordFoster, Colonel (Lancaster)Macdona, John Gumming
    Balfour, Rt. Hn. A. J. (Manch'rFoster, Harry S. (Suffolk)Maclure, Sir John William
    Balfour, Rt Hn Gerald W (LeedsFry, LewisM'Arthur, Charles (Liverpool)
    Barnes, Frederic GorellGalloway, William JohnsonM'Kenna, Reginald
    Beach, Rt. Hn. Sir M. H. (BristolGarfit, WilliamM'Killop, James
    Beach, Rt. Hon. W.W.B (HantsGedge, SydneyMalcolm, Ian
    Beckett, Ernest WilliamGibbons, J. LloydManners, Lord Edward Wm. J.
    Bentinck, Lord Henry CGibbs, Hn. A.G. H. (City of LondMartin, Richard Biddulph
    Bethell, CommanderGiles, Charles TyrrellMassey-Mainwaring, Hn.W.F.
    Bhownaggree, Sir M. M.Gladstone, Rt. Hn Herbert JohnMellor, Colonel (Lancashire)
    Bigwood, JamesGodson, Sir Augustus Fred.Melville, Beresford Valentine
    Bill, CharlesGorst, Rt. Hon. SirJohnEldonMiddlemore, John T.
    Blundell, Colonel HenryGoschen, Rt. Hn. G. J. (St. Geo.'sMilbank, Sir Powlett Chas. J.
    Brassey, AlbertGoschen, George J. (Sussex)Monckton, Edward Philip
    Brodrick, Rt. Hon. St. JohnGoulding, Edward AlfredMonk, Charles James
    Brown, Alexander H.Green, W. D. (Wednesbury)Moon, Edward Robert Pacy
    Bullard, Sir HarryGreene, Henry D. (Shrewsbury)Moore, William (Antrim, N.
    Butcher, John GeorgeGreville, Hon. RonaldMore, R. Jasper (Shropshire)
    Buxton, Sydney CharlesGull, Sir CameronMorrell, George Herbert
    Carlile, William WalterHalsey, Thomas FrederickMorrison, Jas. A. (Wilts., S.).
    Carson, Rt. Hn. Sir Edw. H.Hamilton, Rt. Hon. Lord G.Morton, Arthur H. A. (Deptford
    Cavendish, V. C. W. (Derbys.Hanbury, Rt. Hn. Robert W.Murray, Rt Hn A Graham (Bute
    Cayzer, Sir Charles WilliamHardy, LaurenceMurray, Charles J. (Coventry)
    Cecil, Evelyn (Hertford, East)Haslett, Sir James HornerMurray, Col. Wyndham (Bath
    Chamberlain, Rt. Hn. J. (Birm.Hazell, WalterNewdigate, Francis Alex.
    Chamberlain, J Austen (Worc'rHeath, JamesNicol, Donald Ninian
    Chaplin, Rt. Hon. HenryHill, Arthur (Down, West)O'Neill, Hon. Robert Torrens
    Charrington, SpencerHoare, Edw Brodie (HampsteadPalmer, Sir Chas. M. (Durham.
    Clare, Octavius LeighHoare, Sir Samuel (Norwich)Paulton, James Meilor
    Coghill, Douglas HarryHornby, Sir William HenryPeel, Hon. Wm. Robert W.
    Cohen, Benjamin LouisHouston, R.P.Penn, John
    Collings, Rt. Hon. JesseHoward, JosephPhillpotts, Captain Arthur
    Colomo, Sir John Charles ReadyHudson, George BickerstethPierpoint, Robert
    Colston, C. E. H. AtholeHughes, Colonel EdwinPilkington, R. (Lancs, Newton
    Cook, Fred. Lucas (Lambeth)Hutton, John (Yorks, N.R.)Pollock, Harry Frederick
    Cooke, C. W. Radcliffe (Heref'd)Jackson, Rt. Hon. Wm. LawiesPretyman, Ernest George
    Corbett, A. Cameron(Glasgow)Jeffreys, Arthur FrederickPurvis, Robert
    Cornwallis, Fiennes Stanley W.Jenkins, Sir John JonesPym, C. Guy
    Cotton-Jodrell, Col. Edw. T. D.Jessel, Captain H. M.Rasch, Major Frederic C.
    Cox, Irwin E. BainbridgeJoicey, Sir JamesRemnant, James Farquharson
    Cross, Herb. Shepherd (Bolton)Kenyon, JamesRentoul, James Alexander
    Curzon, ViscountKeswick, WilliamRichards, Henry Charles
    Davies, Sir Hor. D. (Chatham)Kimber, HenryRichardson, Sir T. (Hartlep'l)
    Dilke, Rt. Hon. Sir CharlesLafone, AlfredRickett, J. Compton
    Disraeli, Coningsby RalphLaurie, Lieut.-GeneralRidley, Rt. Hon. Sir Matthew W
    Donkin, Richard SimLawrence, Sir E. D.(Cornwall)Ritchie, Rt. Hon. Chas. T.
    Donglas, Rt. Hon. A. Akers-Lawrence, Wm. F. (Liverpool)Rollit, Sir Albert Kaye
    Doxford, Sir William TheodoreLawson, John Grant (Yorks.)Round, James
    Dyke, Rt. Hon Sir William HartLea, Sir Thomas (LondonderryRoyds, Clement Molyneux
    Egerton, Hon. A.de TattonLeese, Sir Joseph F (AccringtonRussell, T. W. (Tyrone)
    Faber, George DenisonLeigh-Bennett, Henry CurrieSandon, Viscount
    Fellowes, Hon. Ailwyn Edw.Llewelyn, Sir Dillwyn-(Sw'ns'aSandys, Lt.-Col. Thos. Myles.
    Ferguson, R. C. Munro (Leith)Lockwood, Lt.-Col. A. R.Scoble, Sir Andrew Richard

    the year ending on the 31st day of March, 1901, for the Salaries and Expenses of certain services transferred from the Mercantile Marine Fund."

    The Committee divided:—Ayes, 230;. Noes, 70. (Division List No. 267.)

    Seely, Charles HiltonStrauss, ArthurWilloughby do Eresby, Lord
    Seton-Karr, HenryStrutt, Hon. Charles HedleyWillox, Sir John Archibald
    Sharpe, William Edward T.Sturt, Hon. Humphry NapierWilson, J. W.(Worcestersh, N.)
    Shaw-Stewart, M. H. (RenfrewTalbot, Lord R. (Chichester)Wilson-Todd, Wm. H.(Yorks.)
    Sidebottom, Wm.(Derbyshire)Talbot, Rt. Hn. J. G (Oxf'dUniv.Wodehouse, Rt. Hn. E. R (Bath)
    Simeon, Sir BarringtonThornton, Percy M.Wortley, Rt. Hon. C. B. Stuart-
    Sinclair, Louis (Romford)Tollemache, Henry JamesWrightson, Sir Thomas
    Skewes-Cox, ThomasTomlinson, Wm. Edw. MurrayWylie, Alexander
    Smith, Abel H. (Christchurch)Tritton, Charles ErnestWyndham, George
    Smith, Jas, Parker(Lanarks.)Ure, AlexanderWyvill, Marmaduke D'Arcy
    Smith, Hon. W. F. D. (Strand)Verney, Hon. Richard GrevilleYoung, Commander (Berks, E.)
    Stanley, Hon Arthur (OrmskirkWallace, Robert
    Stanley, Edward J. (Somerset)Welby, Lt.-Col. A.C.E (Taunt'nTELLERS FOR THE AYES—
    Stephens, Henry CharlesWhiteley, George (Stockport)Sir William Walrond and Mr. Anstruther.
    Stirling-Maxwell, Sir John M.Whiteley, H.(Ashton-under-L.
    Stock, James HenryWilliams, J. Powell - (Birm.)

    NOES.

    Abraham, Wm. (Cork, N.E.)Gourley, Sir Edward TemperleyPickard, Benjamin
    Abraham, William (Rhondda)Griffith, Ellis, J.Pickersgill, Edward Hare
    Ashton, Thomas GairHarwood, GeorgePrice, Robert John
    Asquith, Rt. Hon. Herbert H.Hayne, Rt. Hon. Chas. Seale-Provand, Andrew Dryburgh
    Bayley, Thomas (Derbyshire)Hogan, James FrancisRoberts, John Bryn (Eifion)
    Billson, AlfredHolland, William HenryRoberts, John H. (Denbighs.)
    Blake, EdwardHorniman, Frederick JohnRunciman, Walter
    Bolton, Thomas DollingJacoby, James AlfredSamuel, J. (Stockton-on-Tees)
    Bramsdon, Thomas ArthurJones. David B. (Swansea)Scott, Chas. Prestwich (Leigh)
    Brigg, JohnJones, William (Carnarvonsh.Soames, Arthur Wellesley
    Broadhurst, HenryLabouchere, HenrySouttar, Robinson
    Burt, ThomasLewis, John HerbertSpicer, Albert
    Caldwell, JamesMacDonnell, Dr. M. A (Qn.'s C.Strachey, Edward
    Cameron, Robert (Durham)MacNeill, John Gordon SwiftSullivan, Donal (Westmeath)
    Cawley, FrederickM'Arthur, William (CornwallThomas, David A (Merthyr)
    Channing, Francis AllstonM'Leod, JohnWalton, Joseph (Barnsley)
    Curran, Thomas B. (Donegal)Maddis m, Fred.Wilson, Henry J. (Yorks, W. R.)
    Dalziel, James HenryMendl, Sigismund FerdinandWoodhouse, Sir J T (Huddersf'd
    Dewar, ArthurMontagu, Sir S. (Whitechapel)Woods, Samuel
    Donelan, Captain A.Morgan, J. Lloyd(CarmarthenYoxall, James Henry
    Doogan, P. C.Morgan, W Pritchard(Merthyr
    Douglas, Charles M. (Lanark)Morton, Edw. J. C. (Devonport)TELLERS FOR THE NOES—
    Duckworth, JamesMoss, SamuelMR. Havelock Wilson and Mr. Steadman.
    Edwards, Owen MorganO'Brien, Patrick (Kilkenny)
    Emmott, AlfredO'Connor, T. P. (Liverpool)

    15. £5, to complete the sum for the Bankruptcy Department of the Board of Trade.

    16. £13,439, to complete the sum for the Woods, Forests, and Land Revenues, etc., Office.

    17. £33,040, to complete the sum for the Works and Public Buildings Office.

    18. Motion made, and Question put,

    AYES.

    Aird, JohnBeach, Rt. Hn. W. W. B.(Hants.Buxton, Sydney Charles
    Allsopp, Hon. GeorgeBeckett, Ernest WilliamCarlile, William Walter
    Anson, Sir William ReynellBentinck, Lord Henry C.Carson, Rt. Hon. Sir Edw. H.
    Arrol, Sir WilliamBethell, CommanderCavendish, V. C.W(Derbysh.
    Ashmead-Bartlett, Sir EllisBhownaggree, Sir M. M.Cayzer, Sir Charles William
    Asquith, Rt. Hn. Herbert HenryBigwood, JamesCecil, Evelyn (Hertford, East)
    Atkinson, Rt. Hon. JohnBill, CharlesCecil, Lord Hugh (Greenwich)
    Bailey, James (Walworth)Blundell, Colonel HenryChamberlain, Rt. Hn. J. (Birm.
    Balcarres, LordBrassey, AlbertChamberlain, J. Austen (Worc'r
    Balfour, Rt. Hn. A. J. (Manch'r)Brodrick, Rt. Hon. St. JohnChaplin, Rt. Hon. Henry
    Balfour, Rt. Hn. G. W. (LeedsBrown, Alexander H.Charrington, Spencer
    Barnes, Frederic GorellBullard, Sir HarryClare, Octavius Leigh
    Beach, Rt. Hn. Sir M. H. (Brist'l)Butcher, John GeorgeCoghill, Douglas Harry

    "That a sum, not exceeding £25,000, be granted to Her Majesty, to complete the sum necessary to defray the Charge which will come in course of payment during the year ending on the 31st day of March, 1901, for Her Majesty's Foreign and other Secret Services."

    The Committee divided:—Ayes, 233; Noes, 67. (Division List No. 268.)

    Cohen, Benjamin LouisHudson, George BickerstethPierpoint, Robert
    Collings, Rt. Hon. JesseHughes, Colonel EdwinPilkington, R. (Lancs, Newton
    Colomb, Sir John Charles R.Hutchinson, Capt. G. W. Grice.Pollock, Harry Frederick
    Colston, Charles E. H. AtholeHutton, John (Yorks, N.R.)Pretyman, Ernest George
    Cook, Fred. Lucas (Lambeth)Jackson, Rt. Hon. Wm. LawiesProvand, Andrew Dryburgh
    Cooke, C. W. R. (Hereford)Jeffreys, Arthur FrederickPurvis, Robert
    Corbett, A. Cameron (Glasgow)Jenkins, Sir John JonesRasch, Major Frederic Carne
    Cornwallis, Fiennes Stanley W.Jessel, Captain Herbert MertonRemnant, James Farquharson
    Cotton-Jodrell, Col. E. T. D.Joicey, Sir JamesRentoul, James Alexander
    Cox, Irwin Edward BainbridgeJones, David Brynmor (Swans'aRichards, Henry Charles
    Cross, Herbert S. (Bolton)Kenyon, JamesRichardson, Sir T. (Hartlep'l)
    Curzon, ViscountKeswick, WilliamRidley, Rt. Hon. Sir M. W.
    Davies, Sir Horatio D(ChathamKimber, HenryRitchie, Rt. Hon. Chas. T.
    Dilke, Rt. Hon. Sir CharlesLafone, AlfredRollit, Sir Albert Kaye
    Disraeli, Coningsby RalphLaurie, Lieut.-GeneralRound, James
    Donkin, Richard SimLawrence, Sir E Durning-(Corn.Royds, Clement Molyneux
    Douglas, Rt. Hon. A. Akers-Lawrence, Wm. F. (Liverpool)Russell, T. W. (Tyrone)
    Doxford, Sir William TheodoreLawson, John Grant (Yorks.)Sandon, Viscount
    Dyke, Rt. Hon Sir William HartLea, Sir Thomas(Londonderry)Sandys, Lt.-Col. Thos. Myles.
    Egerton, Hon. A. de TattonLeese, Sir Joseph F. (AccringtonScoble, Sir Andrew Richard
    Faber, George DenisonLeigh-Bennett, Henry CurrieSeely, Charles Hilton
    Fellowes, Hon. Ailwyn EdwardLlewelyn, Sir Dillwyn-(Sw'ns'aSeton-Karr, Henry
    Fergusson, Rt. Hn. Sir J (Manc'rLockwood, Lt.-Col. A. R.Sharpe, William Edward T.
    Field, Admiral (Eastbourne)Long, Col. Charles W. (EveshamShaw-Stewart, M. H.(Renfrew)
    Finlay, Sir Robert BannatyneLonsdale, John BrownleeSidebottom, William(Derbysh.
    Firbank, Joseph ThomasLopes, Henry Yarde BullerSimeon, Sir Harrington
    Fisher, William HayesLowe, Francis WilliamSkewes-Cox, Thomas
    FitzGerald, Sir RobertPenrose-Lowles, JohnSmith, Abel H.(Christchurch)
    Fitz Wygram, General Sir F.Loyd, Archie KirkmanSmith, James P. (Lanarks.)
    Flannery, Sir FortescueLucas-Shadwell, WilliamSmith, Hn. W. F. D. (Strand)
    Flower, ErnestLyttelton, Hon. AlfredSpencer, Ernest
    Foster, Colonel (Lancaster)Macartney, W. G. EllisonStanley, Hon. A. (Orinskirk)
    Foster, Harry S. (Suffolk)Macdona, John CummingStanley, Edward J. (Somerset)
    Galloway, William JohnsonMaclure, Sir John WilliamStephens, Henry Charles
    Garfit, WilliamM'Arthur, Charles (Liverpool)Stirling-Maxwell, Sir John M.
    Gedge, SydneyM'Arthur, William (Cornwall)Stock, James Henry
    Gibbons, J. LloydM'Killop, JamesStrachey, Edward
    Gibbs, Hn AGH (City of LondonMalcolm, IanStrauss, Arthur
    Giles, Charles TyrellManners, Lord Edward Wm J.Strutt, Hon. Charles Hedley
    Gladstone, Rt Hn. Herbert JohnMartin, Richard BiddulphSturt, Hon. Humphry Napier
    Godson, Sir Augustus FrederickMassey-Mainwaring, Hn W.F.Talbot, Lord E. (Chichester)
    Gorst, Rt. Hon. Sir John EldonMellor. Colonel (Lancashire)Talbot, Rt. Hn. J. G (Oxf'dUniv.
    Goschen, Rt. Hn G J (St George'sMelville, Beresford ValentineThornton, Percy M.
    Goschen, George J. (Sussex)Mendl, Sigismund FerdinandTollemache, Henry James
    Goulding, Edward AlfredMiddlemore, John Throgmort'nTomlinson, William Edw. M.
    Green, Walford D (WednesburyMilbank, Sir Powlett Chas. J.Tritton, Charles Ernest
    Greene, Hy. D. (Shrewsbury)Monckton, Edward PhilipVerney, Hn. Richard Greville
    Greville, Hon. RonaldMonk, Charles JamesWalton, Joseph (Barnsley)
    Griffith, Ellis J.Moon, Edward Robert PacyWelby, Lt-Col. A.C.E. (Taunt'n
    Guest, Hon. Ivor ChurchillMoore, William (Antrim, N.)Whiteley, H. (Ashton-under-.L)
    Gull, Sir CameronMore, Robert J. (Shropshire)Williams, Joseph Powell-(Birm
    Guthrie, Walter MurrayMorgan, W. P. (Merthyr)Willough by de Eresby, Lord
    Halsey, Thomas FrederickMorrell, George HerbertWillox, Sir John Archibald
    Hamilton, Rt. Hon Lord GeorgeMorrison, Jas. A. (Wilts., S.)Wilson, J. W.(Worcestersh. N.)
    Hanbury, Rt. Hon. RobertWm.Morton, Arthur H. A.(DeptfordWilson-Todd, W. H. (Yorks.)
    Hardy, LaurenceMorton, E. J. C. (Devonport)Wodehouse, Rt. Hn. E. R.(Bath
    Haslett, Sir James HornerMurray, Rt. Hn. A. G. (Bute)Wortley, Rt. Hon. C. B. Stuart-
    Hazell, WalterMurray, Chas. J. (Coventry)Wrightson, Sir Thomas
    Heath, JamesMurray, Col. Wyndham(Bath)Wylie, Alexander
    Hill, Arthur (Down, West)Newdigate, Francis Alex.Wyndham, George
    Hoare, Edw Brodie (HampsteadNicol, Donald NinianWyvill, Marmaduke D'Arcy
    Hoare, Sir Samuel (Norwich)O'Neill, Hon. Robert TorrensYoung, Commander (Berks, E.)
    Holland, William HenryPaulton, James Mellor
    Hornby, Sir William HenryPeel, Hon. Wm. Robert AY.TELLERS FOR THE AYES—
    Houston, R. P.Penn, JohnSir William Walrond and Mr. Anstruther.
    Howard, JosephPhillpotts, Captain Arthur

    NOES.

    Abraham, William (Cork, N. E.)Bayley, Thomas (Derbyshire)Brigg, John
    Abraham, William (Rhondda)Billson, AlfredBroadhurst, Henry
    Asher, AlexanderBlake, EdwardBurt, Thomas
    Ashton, Thomas GairBolton, Thomas DollingCaldwell, James
    Atherley-Jones, L.Bramsdon, Thomas ArthurCameron, Robert (Durham)

    Cawley, FrederickLewis, John HerbertScott, Chas. Prestwich (Leigh)
    Channing, Francis AllstonMacDonnell, Dr. M. A (Qn.'s Co.Soames, Arthur Wellesley
    Curran, Thomas B. (Donegal)M'Kenna, ReginaldSouttar, Robinson
    Dalziel, James HenryM'Leod, JohnSpicer, Albert
    Dewar, ArthurMaddison, Fred.Steadman, William Charles
    Donelan, Captain A.Montagu, Sir S. (Whitechapel)Sullivan, Donal (Westmeath)
    Doogan, P. C.Morgan, J. Lloyd (Carmarthen)Thomas, David Alfd. (Merthyr)
    Douglas, Charles M. (Lanark)Moss, SamuelUre, Alexander
    Duckworth, JamesO'Brien, Patrick (Kilkenny)Wallace, Robert
    Edwards, Owen MorganO'Connor, T. P. (Liverpool)Whiteley, George (Stockport)
    Emmott, AlfredPalmer, Sir Chas. M. (Durham)Wilson, Henry J. (York, W. R.)
    Gourley, Sir Edw. TemperleyPickard, BenjaminWoodhouse, Sir J T (Huddersfld.
    Harwood, GeorgePickersgill, Edward HareWoods, Samuel
    Hayne, Rt. Hon. Charles Seale-Price, Robert JohnYoxall, James Henry
    Hogan, James FrancisRickett, J. Compton
    Horniman, Frederick. JohnRoberts, John Bryn (Eifion)TELLERS FOR THE NOES—
    Jacoby, James AlfredRoberts, John H. (Denbighs.)Mr. MacNeill and Mr. Havelock Wilson.
    Jones, William (Carnarvonsh.)Runciman, Walter
    Labouchere, HenrySamuel, J. (Stockton-on-Tees)

    19. £8,508, to complete the sum for the Local Government Board for Scotland.

    20. Motion made, and Question put, "That a sum, not exceeding £2,811, be granted to Her Majesty, to complete the sum necessary to defray the Charge which

    AYES.

    Aird, JohnColston, Chas. Edw. H. AtholeGreen, W. D. (Wednesbury)
    Allsopp, Hon. GeorgeCook, Fred. Lucas (Lambeth)Greene, H. D. (Shrewsbury)
    Anson, Sir William ReynellCooke, C. W Radcliffe (Heref'd)Greville, Hon. Ronald
    Arrol, Sir WilliamCorbett, A. Cameron (Glasgow)Guest, Hon. Ivor Churchill
    Ashmead-Bartlett, Sir EllisCornwallis, Fiennes Stanley W.Gull, Sir Cameron
    Asquith, Rt. Hn. Herbert HenryCotton-Jodrell, Col. Edw. T. D.Guthrie, Walter Murray
    Atkinson, Rt. Hon. JohnCox, Irwin Edward BainbridgeHalsey, Thomas Frederick
    Bailey, James (Walworth)Cross, Herb. Shepherd (Bolton)Hamilton, Rt. Hon. Lord G.
    Balcarres, LordCurzon, ViscountHanbury, Rt. Hon. Robert W.
    Balfour, Rt. Hon. A. J. (Manch'rDavies, Sir H. D. (Chatham)Hardy, Laurence
    Balfour, Rt. Hn Gerald W (LeedsDisraeli, Coningsby RalphHaslett, Sir James Horner
    Barnes, Frederic GorellDonkin, Richard SimHeath, James
    Beach, Rt. Hn. Sir M H. (BristolDouglas, Rt. Hon. A. Akers-Hill, Arthur (Down, West)
    Beach, Rt. Hn. W. W. B. (HantsDoxford, Sir William TheodoreHoare, Edw. B. (Hampstead)
    Beckett, Ernest WilliamDyke, Rt. Hon. Sir Win. H.Hoare, Sir Samuel (Norwich)
    Bentinck, Lord Henry C.Egerton, Hon. A. de TattonHornby, Sir William Henry
    Bethell, CommanderFaber, George DenisonHouston, R. P.
    Bhownaggree, Sir M. M.Fellowes, Hon. Ailwyn E.Howard, Joseph
    Bigwood, JamesFergusson, Rt. Hn. Sir J (Manc'rHudson, George Bickersteth
    Bill, CharlesField, Admiral (Eastbourne)Hughes, Colonel Edwin
    Blundell, Colonel HenryFinlay, Sir Robert BannatyneHutton, John (Yorks, N. R.)
    Brassey, AlbertFirbank, Joseph ThomasJackson, Rt. Hon. Wm. Lawies
    Brodrick, Rt. Hon. St. JohnFisher, William HayesJeffreys, Arthur Frederick
    Brown, Alexander H.FitzGerald, Sir R. Penrose-Jenkins, Sir John Jones
    Bullard, Sir HarryFitz Wygram, General Sir F.Jessel, Captain Herbert Merton
    Butcher, John GeorgeFlannery, Sir FortescueKenyon, James
    Carlile, William WalterFlower, ErnestKeswick, William
    Carson, Rt. Hon. Sir Edw. H.Foster, Colonel (Lancaster)Kimber, Henry
    Cavendish, V. C. W (DerbyshireFoster, Harry S. (Suffolk)Lafone, Alfred
    Cayzer, Sir Charles WilliamGalloway, William JohnsonLaurie, Lieut.-General
    Cecil, Evelyn (Hertford, East)Garfit, WilliamLawrence, Sir E. Durning-(Corn
    Cecil, Lord Hugh (Greenwich)Gedge, SydneyLawrence, Win. F. (Liverpool
    Chamberlain, J. Austen (Worc'rGibbons, J. LloydLawson, John Grant (Yorks.)
    Chaplin, Rt. Hon. HenryGibbs, Hn. A. G. H (City of Lond.Lea, Sir Thomas (Londonderry
    Charrington, SpencerGiles, Charles TyrrellLeigh-Bennett, Henry Currie
    Clare, Octavius LeighGodson, Sir Augustus Fred.Llewelyn, Sir Dillwyn-(Swans.
    Coghill, Douglas HarryGorst, Rt. Hon. Sir John E.Lockwood, Lt.-Col. A. R.
    Cohen, Benjamin LouisGoschen, Rt. Hn. G. J (St. Geo.'sLong, Col. Charles W. (Evesham
    Collings, Rt. Hon. JesseGoschen, George J. (Sussex)Lowe, Francis William
    Colomb, Sir John Charles ReadyGoulding, Edward AlfredLowles, John

    will come m course of payment during the year ending on the 31st day of March 1901, for the Salaries and Expenses of the Household of the Lord Lieutenant of Ireland."

    The Committee divided:—Ayes, 213; Noes, 81. (Division List No. 269.)

    Loyd, Archie KirkmanPhillpotts, Captain ArthurStanley, Hon Arthur (Ormskirk
    Lucas-Shadwell, WilliamPierpoint, RobertStanley, Edward-Jas. (Somerset
    Lyttleton, Hon. AlfredPilkingtan, Rich (Lancs Newt'nStephens, Henry Charles
    Macartney, W. G. EllisonPollock, Harry FrederickStirling-Maxwell, Sir John M.
    Macdona, John CummingPretyman, Ernest GeorgeStock, James Henry
    Maclure, Sir John WilliamPryce-Jones, Lt.-Col. EdwardStrauss, Arthur
    M'Arthur, Charles (Liverpool)Parvis, RobertStrutt, Hon. Charles Hedley
    M'Killop, JamesPym, C. GuySturt, Hon. Humphry Napier
    Malcolm, IanRasch, Major Frederick CarneTalbot, Lord E. (Chichester)
    Manners, Lord Edward Wm. J.Remnant, James FarquharsonTalbot, Rt. Hn. J. G (Oxf'd Univ.
    Martin, Richard BiddulphRentoul, James AlexanderThornton, Percy M.
    Massey-Mainwaring, Hn. W. F.Richards, Henry CharlesTollemache, Henry James
    Mellor, Colonel (Lancashire)Richardson, Sir T. (Hartlep'l)Tomlinson, Wm. Edw. Murray
    Melville, Beresford ValentineRidley, Rt. Hon. Sir M. W.Tritton, Charles Finest
    Middlemore, J. ThrogmortonRitchie, Rt. Hon. Charles T.Verney, Hon. Richard Greville
    Milbank, Sir Powlett C. JohnRound, JamesWelby, Lt.-Col. A. C. E (Taunt'n
    Monckton, Edward PhilipRoyds, Clement MolyneuxWhiteley, H. (Ashton-under-L.
    Monk, Charles JamesRussell, T. W. (Tyrone)Williams, Joseph Powell-(Birm
    Moon, Edward Robert PacySandon, ViscountWilloughby de Eresby, Lord
    Moore, William (Antrim, N.)Sandys, Lt.-Col. Thos. MylesWillox, Sir John Archibad
    More, Robt. Jasper (Shropshire)Scoble, Sir Andrew RichardWilson-Todd, Win. H. (Yorks.)
    Morrell, George HerbertSeely, Charles HiltonWodehouse, Rt. Hn. E. R. (Bath)
    Morrison, James A. (Wilts., S.)Seton-Karr, HenryWortley, Rt. Hon. C. B. Stuart-
    Morton, Arthur H. A. (DeptfordSharpe, William Edward T.Wrightson, Sir Thomas
    Murray, Rt. Hn A Graham(ButeShaw-Stewart, M. H. (Renfrew)Wylie, Alexander
    Murray, Charles J. (Coventry)Sidebottom, William (Derbysh.Wyndham, George
    Murray, Col. Wyndham (Bath)Simeon, Sir BarringtonWyvill, Marmaduke D'Arcy
    Newdigate, Francis AlexanderSinclair, Louis (Romford)Young, Commander (Berks, E.)
    Nicol, Donald NinianSkewes-Cox, Thomas
    Paulton, James MellorSmith, Abel H. (Christchurch)TELLERS FOR THE AYES—
    Peel, Hon. William Robert W.Smith, Jas. Parker (Lanarks.)Sir William Walrond and Mr. Anstruther.
    Penn, JohnSpencer, Ernest

    NOES.

    Abraham, Wm. (Cork, N. E.)Harwood, GeorgeProvand, Andrew Dryburgh
    Abraham, William (Rhondda)Hayne, Rt. Hon. Charles Seale-Rickett, J. Compton
    Asher, AlexanderHazell, WalterRoberts, John Bryn (Eifion)
    Ashton, Thomas GairHogan, James FrancisRoberts, John H. (Denbighs.)
    Atherley-Jones, L.Holland, William HenryRollit, Sir Albert Kayo
    Bayley, Thomas (Derbyshire)Horniman, Frederick JohnRunciman, Walter
    Billson, AlfredJacoby, James AlfredSamuel, J. (Stockton-on-Tees)
    Blake, EdwardJoicey, Sir JamesScott, Chas Prestwich (Leigh)
    Bolton, Thomas DollingJones, David B. (Swansea)Soames, Arthur Wellesley
    Bramsdon, Thomas ArthurJones, Wm. (Carnarvonshire)Souttar, Robinson
    Brigg, JohnLeese, Sir J. F. (Accrington)Spicer, Albert
    Broadhurst, HenryLewis, John HerbertSteadman, William Charles
    Burt, ThomasMacDonnell, Dr. M. A. (Qn.'s CoStrachey, Edward
    Buxton, Sydney CharlesMacNeill, John Cordon SwiftSullivan, Donal (Westmeath)
    Caldwell, JamesM'Kenna, ReginaldThomas, David Alfred (Merthyr
    Cawley, FrederickM'Leod, JohnUre, Alexander
    Channing, Francis AllstonMaddison, Fred.Wallace, Robert
    Curran, Thomas B. (Donegal)Mendl, Sigismund FerdinandWalton, Joseph (Barnsley)
    Dalziel, James HenryMontagu, Sir S.(Whitechapel)Whiteley, George (Stockport)
    Dewar, ArthurMorgan, J. Lloyd(Carmarthen)Wilson, Henry J. (York, W. R.)
    Dilke, Rt. Hon. Sir CharlesMorgan, W Pritchard (MerthyrWilson, J. W. (Worcestersh, N.)
    Doogan, P. C.Morton, Edw. J. C. (Devonport)Wilson, Jos. H (Middlesbrough)
    Douglas, Charles M. (Lanark)Moss, SamuelWoodhouse, Sir J T (Hudd'rsf'd)
    Duckworth, JamesO'Connor, T. P. (Liverpool)Woods, Samuel
    Edwards, Owen MorganPalmer, Sir Chas. M. (Durham)Yoxall, James Henry
    Emmott, AlfredPickard, BenjaminTELLERS FOR THE NOES—
    Gourley, Sir Edward TemperleyPickersgill, Edward HareCaptain Donelan and Mr. Patrick O'Brien.
    Griffith, Ellis J.Price, Robert John

    21. £63,245, to complete the sum for the Department of Agriculture and Technical Instruction, Ireland.

    22. £1,000, to complete the sum for Charitable Donations and Bequests Office, Ireland.

    23. Motion made, and Question put, "That a sum, not exceeding £3,117, be granted to Her Majesty, to complete the sum necessary to defray the Charge which will come in course of payment during the year ending on the 31st day of March, 1901, for the Salaries and Expenses of the Public Record Office in Ireland, and of the Keeper of State Papers in Dublin."

    The Committee divided:—Ayes, 231; Noes, 61. (Division List No. 270.)

    AYES.

    Aird, JohnFoster, Harry S. (Suffolk)Mellor, Colonel (Lancashire)
    Allsopp, Hon. GeorgeGalloway, William JohnsonMelville, Beresford Valentine
    Anson, Sir William ReynellGarfit, WilliamMendl, Sigismund Ferdinand
    Arrol, Sir WilliamGedge, SydneyMiddlemore, J. Throgmorton
    Ashmead-Bartlett, Sir EllisGibbons, J. LloydMonckton, Edward Philip
    Atkinson, Rt. Hon. JohnGibbs, Hn. A. G. H (City of Lond.Monk, Charles James
    Bailey, James (Walworth)Giles, Charles TyrrellMoon, Edward Robert Pacy
    Balcarres, LordGodson, Sir Augustus FrederickMoore, William (Antrim, N.)
    Balfour, Rt. Hn. A. J. (Manch'r)Gorst, Rt. Hon. Sir John EldonMore, Robert J. (Shropshire)
    Balfour, Rt. Hn Gerald W (LeedsGoschen, Rt. Hn G J (St George'sMorgan, W. P. (Merthyr)
    Barnes, Frederic GerellGoschen, George J. (Sussex)Morrell, George Herbert
    Beach, Rt. Hn. Sir M. H. (BristolGoulding, Edward AlfredMorrison, Jas. A. (Wilts., S.)
    Beach, Rt. Hn. W. W. B. (Hants.Gourley, Sir Edward TemperleyMorton, A. H. A. (Deptford)
    Beckett, Ernest WilliamGreen, Walford D (WednesburyMoss, Samuel
    Bentinck, Lord Henry C.Greene, Henry D. (Shrewsbury)Murray, Rt. Hon. A. G. (Bute
    Bethell, CommanderGreville, Hon. RonaldMurray, Chas. J. (Coventry)
    Bhownaggree, Sir M. M.Guest, Hon. Ivor ChurchillMurray, Col. Wyndham (Bath
    Bigwood, JamesGull, Sir CameronNewdigate, Francis Alex.
    Bill, CharlesGuthrie, Walter MurrayNicol, Donald Ninian
    Blundell, Colonel HenryHalsey, Thomas FrederickPalmer, Sir Chas. M. (Durham
    Bramsdon, Thomas ArthurHamilton, Rt. Hon Lord GeorgePaulton, James Mellor
    Brassoy, AlbertHanbury, Rt. Hon. Robert Win.Peel, Hon. Wm. Robert W.
    Brodrick, Rt. Hon. St. JohnHardy, LaurencePenn, John
    Brown, Alexander H.Haslett, Sir James HornerPhillpotts, Captain Arthur
    Bullard, Sir HarryHazell, WalterPierpoint, Robert
    Butcher, John GeorgeHeath, JamesPilkington, R. (Lancs, Newton
    Buxton, Sydney CharlesMill, Arthur (Down, West)Pollock, Harry Frederick
    Carlile, William WallerHoare, Edw Brodie (HampsteadPretyman, Ernest George
    Carson, Rt. Hon. Sir Edw. H.Hoare, Sir Samuel (Norwich)Pryce-Jones, Lt.-Col. Edw.
    Cavendish, V. C. W. (Derbysh.)Hornby, Sir William HenryPurvis, Robert
    Cayzer, Sir Charles WilliamHouston, R. P.Pym, C. Guy
    Cecil, Evelyn (Hertford, East)Howard, JosephRasch, Major Frederic Carne
    Cecil, Lord Hugh (Greenwich)Hudson, George BickerstethRemnant, James Farquharson
    Chamberlain, Rt. Hn. J. (Birm.)Hughes, Colonel EdwinRentoul, James Alexander
    Chamberlain, J Austen (Worc'rHutton, John (Yorks, N. R.)Richards, Henry Charles
    Chaplin, Rt. Hon. HenryJackson, Rt. Hon. William L.Richardson, Sir T. (Hartlep'l)
    Charrington, SpencerJeffreys, Arthur FrederickRickett, J. Compton
    Coghill, Douglas HarryJenkins, Sir John JonesRidley, Rt. Hon. Sir M. W.
    Cohen, Benjamin LouisJessel, Capt. Herbert MertonRitchie, Rt. Hon. Chas. T.
    Collings, Rt. Hon. JesseJoicey, Sir JamesRollit, Sir Albert Kayo
    Colomb, Sir. John Charles ReadyJones, David B. (Swansea)Round, James
    Colston, Chas. Edw. H. AtholeJones, Wm. (Carnarvonshire)Royds, Clement Molyneux
    Cook, Fred. Lucas (Lambeth)Kenyon, JamesRusssell, T. W. (Tyrone)
    Cooke, C. W. Radcliffe (Heref'd)Keswick, WilliamSandon, Viscount
    Corbett, A. Cameron (Glasgow)Kimber, HenrySandys, Lt.-Col. Thos. Myles
    Cornwallis, Fiennes Stanley W.Lafone, AlfredScoble, Sir Andrew Richard
    Cotton-Jodrell, Col. Edw. T. D.Lawrence, Sir E. Durning-(CornSeely, Charles Hilton
    Cox, Irwin Edward BainbridgeLawrence, W. F. (Liverpool)Seton-Karr, Henry
    Cross, Herb. Shepherd (BoltonLawson, John Grant (Yorks.)Sharpe, William Edward T.
    Curzon, ViscountLea, Sir Thos. (Londonderry)Shaw-Stewart, M. H (Renfrew)
    Davies, Sir Horatio D (ChathamLeese, Sir J. F. (Accrington)Sidebottom, William (Derbys.)
    Dilke, Rt. Hon. Sir CharlesLeigh-Bennett, Henry CurrieSimeon, Sir Barrington
    Disraeli, Coningsby RalphLlewelyn, Sir Dillwyn-(Swan.Sinclair, Louis (Romford)
    Donkin, Richard SimLockwood, Lt.-Col. A. R.Skewes-Cox, Thomas
    Douglas, Rt. Hon. A. Akers-Long, Col. Chas. W. (Evesh'm)Smith, Abel H. (Christchurch)
    Doxford, Sir William TheodoreLopes, Henry Yarde BullerSmith, James Parker (Lanarks)
    Dyke, Rt. Hon Sir William HartLowe, Francis WilliamSmith, Hon. W. F. D. (Strand)
    Egerton, Hon. A. de TattonLowles, JohnSpencer, Ernest
    Faber, George DenisonLoyd, Archie KirkmanSpicer, Albert
    Fellowes, Hon. Ailwyn EdwardLucas-Shadwell, WilliamStanley, Hon Arthur (Ormskirk
    Fergusson, Rt. Hn. Sir J (Manc'rLyttelton, Hon. AlfredStanley, Edward. Jas (Somerset)
    Field, Admiral (Eastbourne)Macartney, W. G. EllisonStephens, Henry Charles
    Finlay, Sir Robert BannatyneMacdona, John CummingStirling-Maxwell, Sir John M.
    Firbank, Joseph ThomasMaclure, Sir John WilliamStock, James Henry
    Fisher, William HayesM'Arthur, Charles (Liverpool)Strachey, Edward
    FitzGerald, Sir Robert Penrose-M'Killop, JamesStrauss, Arthur
    Fitz Wygram, General Sir F.Malcolm, IanStrutt, Hon. Charles Hedley
    Flannery, Sir FortescueManners, Lord Edward W. J.Sturt, Hon. Humphrey Napier
    Flower, ErnestMartin, Richard BiddulphTalbot, Lord E. (Chichester)
    Foster, Colonel (Lancaster)Massey-Mainwaring, Hn. W. F.Talbot, Rt. Hn. J. G (Oxf'd Univ.

    Thornton, Percy M.Williams, Joseph Powell-(BirmWylie, Alexander
    Tollemache, Henry JamesWilloughby de Eresby, LordWyndham, George
    Tomlinson, Win. Edw. MurrayWillox, Sir John ArchibaldWyvill, Marmaduke D'Arcy
    Tritton, Charles ErnestWi1son,J. W. (Worcestersh, N.)Young, Commanded Berks, E.)
    Verney, Hon. Richard GrevilleWilson-Todd, Wm. H. (Yorks.)
    Welby, Lt-Col. A. C. E (TauntonWodehouse, Rt. Hon. E R (Bath)TELLERS FOR THE AYES—
    Whiteley, George (Stockport)Wortley, Rt. Hon. C. B. Stuart-Sir William Walrond and Mr. Anstruther.
    Whiteley, H. (Ashton-under-L.Wrightson, Sir Thomas

    NOES.

    Abraham, Wm. (Cork, N. E.)Emmott, AlfredProvand, Andrew Dryburgh
    Abraham, William (Rhondda)Griffith, Ellis J.Roberts, John H. (Denbighs.)
    Asher, AlexanderHarwood, GeorgeRunciman, Walter
    Ashton, Thomas GairHayne, Rt. Hn. Charles Seale-Samuel, J. (Stockton-on-Tees)
    Asquith, Rt. Hon. Herbert H.Hogan, James FrancisScott, Chas. Prestwich (Leigh)
    Atherley-Jones, L.Holland, William HenrySoames, Arthur Wellesley
    Billson, AlfredHorniman, Frederick JohnSouttar, Robinson
    Bolton, Thomas DollingJacoby, James AlfredSteadman, William Charles
    Brigg, JohnLewis, John HerbertSullivan, Donal Westmeath)
    Broadhurst, HenryMacDonnell, Dr. M. A. (Qn.'s CoThomas, David A. (Merthyr)
    Burt, ThomasMacNeill, John Gordon SwiftUre, Alexander
    Caldwell, JamesM'Kenna, ReginaldWallace, Robert
    Cawley, FrederickM'Leod, JohnWalton, Joseph (Barnsley)
    Channing, Francis AllstonMaddison, Fred.Wilson, Henry J.(York, W. R.)
    Curran, Thomas B. (Donegal)Montagu, Sir S.(Whitechapel)Wilson, J. H. (Middlesbrough)
    Daziel, James HenryMorgan, J Lloyd (Carmarthen)Woodhouse, Sir J T (Huddersfld
    Dewar, ArthurMorton, Edw. J. C. (Devonport)Woods, Samuel
    Doogan, P. C.O'Connor, T. P. (Liverpool)Yoxall, James Henry
    Douglas, Charles M. (Lanark)Pickard, BenjaminTELLERS FOR THE NOES—
    Duckworth, JamesPickersgill, Edward HareCaptain Donelan and Mr. Patrick O'Brien.
    Edwards, Owen MorganPrice, Robert John

    24. £20,682, to complete the sum for the Public Works Office, Ireland.

    25. £8,814, to complete the sum for the Registrar General's Office, Ireland.

    26. £10,589, to complete the sum for the Valuation and Boundary Survey, Ireland.

    Class Iii

    27. £56,652, to complete the sum for Law Charges and Courts of Law, Scotland.

    28. £29,237, to complete the sum for the Register House, Edinburgh.

    AYES.

    Aird, JohnBlundell, Colonel HenryCohen, Benjamin Louis
    Allsopp, Hon. GeorgeBramsdon, Thomas ArthurCollings, Rt. Hon. Jesse
    Anson, Sir William ReynellBrassey, AlbeitColomb, Sir John Charles Ready
    Arrol, Sir WilliamBrodrick, Rt. Hon. St. JohnColston, Chas. Edw. H. Athole
    Ashmead-Bartlett, Sir EllisBrown, Alexander H.Cook, Fred. Lucas (Lambeth)
    Atkinson, Rt. Hon. JohnBullard, Sir HarryCooke, C. W. Radcliffe (Heref'd)
    Bailey, James (Walworth)Butcher, John GeorgeCorbett, A. Cameron (Glasgow)
    Balcarres, LordBuxton, Sydney CharlesCornwallis, Fiennes S. W.
    Balfour, Rt. Hn. A. J. (Manch'r)Carlile, William WalterCotton-Jodrell, Col. E. T. D.
    Balfour, Rt. Hn Gerald W (LeedsCarson, Rt. Hn. Sir Edw. H.Cox, Irwin Edward B.
    Barnes, Frederic GorellCavendish, V.C. W (DerbyshireCross, Herb. Shepherd (Bolton
    Beach Rt. Hn. Sir M. H. (BristolCayzer, Sir Charles WilliamCurzon, Viscount
    Beach, Rt. Hn. W. W. B. (Hants,Cecil, Evelyn (Hertford, East)Davies, Sir H. D. (Chatham)
    Beckett, Ernest WilliamCecil, Lord Hugh (Greenwich)Dilke, Rt. Hon. Sir Charles
    Bentinck, Lord Henry C.Chamberlain, Rt. Hn. J. (Birm.)Disraeli, Coningsby Ralph
    Bethell, CommanderChamberlain, J Austen (Worc'rDonkin, Richard Sim
    Bhownaggree, Sir M. M.Chaplin, Rt. Hon. HenryDouglas, Rt. Hon. A. Akers-
    Bigwood, JamesCharrington, SpencerDoxford, Sir William T.
    Bill, CharlesCoghill, Douglas HarryDyke, Rt. Hon. Sir Wm. H.

    29. £3,000, to complete the sum for the Crofters' Commission.

    30. £50,684, to complete the sum for Prisons, Scotland.

    31. Motion made, and Question put, "That a sum, not exceeding £33,510, be granted to Her Majesty, to complete the sum necessary to defray the Charge which will come in course of payment during the year ending on the 31st day of March, 1901, for Criminal Prosecutions and other Law Charges in Ireland."

    The Committee divided:—Ayes, 222; Noes, 67. (Division List No. 271.)

    Egerton, Hon. A. de TattonLawrence, W. F. (Liverpool)Rickett, J. Compton
    Faber, George DenisonLawson, John Grant (Yorks.)Ridley, Rt. Hon. Sir Matthew W
    Fellowes, Hon. Ailwyn Edw.Lea, Sir Thos. (Londonderry)Ritchie, Rt. Hn. Chas. Thomson
    Fergusson, Rt. Hn. Sir J. (Manc'rLeese, Sir J. F. (Accrington)Rollit, Sir Albert Kaye
    Field, Admiral (Eastbourne)Leigh-Bennett, Henry CurrieRound, James
    Finlay, Sir Robert B.Llewelyn, Sir D. (Swansea)Royds, Clement Molyneux
    Firbank, Joseph ThomasLong, Col. O. W. (Evesham)Russell, T. W. (Tyrone)
    Fisher, William HayesLopes, Henry Yarde BullerSandon, Viscount
    FitzGerald, Sir R. Penrose-Lowe, Francis WilliamSandys, Lieut.-Col. Thos Myles
    Fitz Wygram, General Sir F.Lowles, JohnSeely, Charles Hilton
    Flannery, Sir FortescueLoyd, Archie KirkmanSeton-Karr, Henry
    Flower, ErnestLucas-Shadwell, WilliamSharpe, William Edward T.
    Foster, Colonel (Lancaster)Lyttelton, Hon. AlfredShaw-Stewart, M. H. (Renfrew)
    Foster, Harry S. (Suffolk)Macartney, W. G. EllisonSidebottom, Wm. (Derbyshire)
    Galloway, William JohnsonMacdona, John dimmingSimeon, Sir Barrington
    Garfit, WilliamMacIver, David (Liverpool)Sinclair, Louis (Romford)
    Gedge, SydneyMaclure, Sir John WilliamSkewes-Cox, Thomas
    Gibbons, J. LloydM'Arthur, Charles (Liverpool)Smith, Abel H. (Christchurch)
    Gibbs, Hn. A. G. H (City of Lond.M'Killop, JamesSmith, Jas. Parker (Lanarks.)
    Giles, Charles TyrrellMalcolm, fanSmith, Hon. W. F. D. (Strand)
    Godson, Sir Augustus Fred.Manners, Lord Edward W. J.Spencer, Ernest
    Gorst, Rt. Hon. Sir John E.Martin, Richard BiddulphStanley, Hon Arthur (Ormskirk
    Goschen, Rt. Hn. G. J. (St. Geo.'sMassey-Mainwaring, Hn. W. FStanley, Edward J. (Somerset)
    Goschen, George J. (Sussex)Mellor, Colonel (Lancashire)Stephens, Henry Charles
    Goulding, Edward AlfredMelville, Beresford ValentineStirling-Maxwell, Sir John M.
    Green W. D. (Wednesbury)Middlemore, J. ThrogmortonStock, James Henry
    Greene, H. D. (Shrewsbury)Milbank, Sir Powlett Chas JohnStrachey, Edward
    Greville, Hon. RonaldMonckton, Edward PhilipStrauss, Arthur
    Guest, Hon. Ivor ChurchillMonk, Charles JamesStrutt, Hon. Charles Hedley
    Gull, Sir CameronMoon, Edward Robert PacySturt, Hon. Humphry Napier
    Guthrie, Walter MurrayMoore, William (Antrim, N.)Talbot, Lord E. (Chichester)
    Halsey, Thomas FrederickMore, Robt. Jasper (Shropshire)Thornton, Percy M.
    Hamilton, Rt. Hon. Lord G.Morrell, George HerbertTollemache, Henry James
    Hanbury, Rt. Hon. Robert W.Morrison, James A. (Wilts., S.)Tomlinson, Win. Edw. Murray
    Hardy, LaurenceMorton, Arthur H. A (Deptford)Tritton, Charles Ernest
    Haslett, Sir James HornerMurray, Rt. Hn A Graham (ButeVerney, Hon. Richard Greville
    Heath, JamesMurray, Charles J.(Coventry)Wallace, Robert
    Hill, Arthur (Down, West)Murray, Col. Wyndham(Bath)Welby, Lt. -Col. A. C. E (Taunt'n
    Hoare, Edward B. (Hampst'd)Newdigate, Francis AlexanderWhiteley, George (Stockport)
    Hoare, Sir Samuel (Norwich)Nicol, Donald NinianWhiteley, H. (Ashton-under-L.
    Hornby, Sir William HenryPalmer, Sir Charles M (Durham)Williams, Jos. Powell-(Birm.)
    Houston, R. P.Paulton, James MellorWilloughby de Eresby, Lord
    Howard, JosephPeel, Hn. Wm Robert WellesleyWillox, Sir John Archibald
    Hudson, George BickerstethPenn, JohnWilson, J. W. (Worcestersh, N.)
    Hughes, Colonel EdwinPhilpotts, Captain ArthurWilson-Todd, Wm. H. (Yorks.)
    Hutchinson, Capt. G. W. Grice-Pierpoint, RobertWodehouse, Rt. Hon. E. R (Bath
    Hutton, John (Yorks, N. R.)Pilkington, H. (Lancs, Newton)Wortley, Rt. Hn. C. B. Stuart-
    Jackson, Rt. Hon. William L.Pollock, Harry FrederickWrightson, Sir Thomas
    Jeffreys, Arthur FrederickPretyman, Ernest GeorgeWylie, Alexander
    Jenkins, Sir John JonesPryce-Jones, Lt.-Col. EdwardWyndham, George
    Jessel, Capn. Herbert MertonPurvis, RobertWyvill, Marmaduke D'Arcy
    Kenyon, JamesPym, C. GuyYoung, Commander (Berks, E.)
    Keswick, WilliamRasch, Major Frederic Carne
    Limber, HenryRemnant, James FarquharsonTELLERS FOR THE AYES—
    Lafone, AlfredRentoul, James AlexanderSir William Walrond and Mr. Anstruther.
    Laurie, Lieut.-GeneralRichards, Henry Charles
    Lawrence, Sir E. D. (Cornw'l)Richardson, Sir Thos. (Hartlep'l

    NOES.

    Abraham, William (Cork, N. E.)Curran, Thomas B. (Donegal)Horniman, Frederick John
    Abraham, William (Rhondda)Dalziel, James HenryJoicey, Sir James
    Asher, AlexanderDewar, ArthurJones, David B. (Swansea)
    Ashton, Thomas GairDoogan, P. C.Jones, Wm. (Carnarvonshire)
    Atherley-Jones, L.Douglas, Charles M. (Lanark)Lewis, John Herbert
    Bayley, Thomas (Derbyshire)Duckworth, JamesMacDonnell, Dr M A (Queen's C
    Billson, AlfredEdwards, Owen MorganMacNeill, John Gordon Swift
    Bolton, Thomas DollingEmmott, AlfredM'Kenna, Reginald
    Brigg, JohnGourley, Sir Edward TemperleyM'Leod, John
    Broadhurst, HenryGriffith, Ellis J.Maddison, Fred.
    Burt, ThomasHarwood, GeorgeMendl, Sigismund Ferdinand
    Caldwell, JamesHayne, Rt. Hn. Charles Seale-Montagu, Sir S. (Whitechapel)
    Cawley, FrederickHazell, WalterMorgan, J. Lloyd(Carmarthen)
    Charming, Francis AllstonHolland, William HenryMorgan, W. Pritchard (Merth'r

    Morton, Edw. J. C. (Devonport)Samuel, J. (Stockton-on-Tees)Wilson, Hy. J. (York, W. R.)
    Moss, SamuelScott, Chas. Prestwich (Leigh)Wilson, Jos. H (Middlesbrough
    O'Connor, T. P. (Liverpool)Soames, Arthur WellesleyWoodhouse, Sir J. T. (Hudderfld
    Pickard, BenjaminSouttar, RobinsonWoods, Samuel
    Pickersgill, Edward HareSpicer, AlbertYoxall, James Henry
    Price, Robert JohnSteadman, William Charles
    Provand, Andrew DryburghSullivan, Donal (Westmeath)TELLERS FOR THE NOES—
    Roberts, John Bryn (Eifion)Thomas, David Alfred (MerthyrCaptain Donelan and Mr. Patrick O'Brien.
    Roberts, John H. (Denbighs.)Ure, Alexander
    Runciman, WalterWalton, Joseph (Barnsley)

    32. £62,262, to complete the sum for the Supreme Court of Judicature and other Legal Departments in Ireland.

    33. Motion made, and Question put, "That a sum, not exceeding £64,710, be granted to Her Majesty, to complete the sum necessary to defray the Charge which will come in course of payment

    AYES.

    Allsopp, Hon. GeorgeDonkin, Richard SimJeffreys, Arthur Frederick
    Anson, Sir William ReynellDouglas, Rt. Hon. A. Akers-Jenkins, Sir John Jones
    Arrol, Sir WilliamDoxford, Sir Wm. TheodoreJessel, Captain Herbert Merton
    Ashmead-Bartlett, Sir EllisDyke, Rt. Hon Sir William HartJones, David Brynmor (Swans.)
    Atkinson, Rt. Eon. JohnEgerton, Hon. A. de TattonJones, William (Carnarvonsh.)
    Bailey, James (Walworth)Faber, George DenisonKenyon, James
    Balcarres, LordFellowes, Hn. Ailwyn EdwardKeswick, William
    Balfour, Rt. Hn. A. J. (Manch'rFergusson, Rt. Hn. Sir. J (Manc'rKimber, Henry
    Balfour, Rt Hn Gerald W (LeedsFinlay, Sir Robert BannatyneLafone, Alfred
    Barnes, Frederic GorellFirbank, Joseph ThomasLaurie, Lieut.-General
    Bayley, Thomas (Derbyshire)Fisher, William HayesLawrence, Sir E Durning-(Corn
    Beach, Rt. Hn Sir M. H. (Bristol)FitzGerald, Sir Robert Penrose-Lawrence, Wm. F. (Liverpool
    Beach, Rt. Hn. W. W. B. (Hants.Fitz Wygram, General Sir F.Lawson, John Grant (Yorks.)
    Beckett, Ernest WilliamFlannery, Sir FortescueLea, Sir Thomas (Londonderry)
    Bentinck, Lord Henry C.Flower, ErnestLeese, Sir Joseph F (Accrington)
    Bethell, CommanderFoster, Colonel (Lancaster)Leigh-Bennett, Henry Currie
    Bigwood, JamesFoster, Harry S. (Suffolk)Llewelyn, Sir Dillwyn-(Swans.
    Bill, CharlesGalloway, William JohnsonLong, Col. Charles W. (Evesham
    Blundell, Colonel HenryGarfit, WilliamLopes, Henry Yarde Buller
    Brassey, AlbertGedge, SydneyLowe, Francis William
    Brodrick, Rt. Hon. St. JohnGibbons, J. LloydLowles, John
    Brown, Alexander H.Gibbs, Hn. A. G. H (City of Lond.Loyd, Archie Kirkman
    Bullard, Sir HarryGiles, Charles TyrrellLucas-Shadwell, William
    Butcher, John GeorgeGodson, Sir Augustus FrederickMacartney, W. G. Ellison
    Carlile, William WalterGorst, Rt. Hon. Sir J. EldonMacdona, John Gumming
    Carson, Rt. Hon. Sir Edw. H.Goschen, Rt Hn G J (St.George'sMacIver, David (Liverpool)
    Cavendish, V. C. W (DerbyshireGoschen, George J. (Sussex)Maclure, Sir John William
    Cayzer, Sir Charles WilliamGoulding, Edward AlfredM'Arthur, Charles (Liverpool)
    Cecil, Evelyn (Hertford, E.)Green, Walford D (WednesburyM'Kenna, Reginald
    Cecil, Lord Hugh (Greenwich)Greene, Henry D. (Shrewsbury)M'Killop, James
    Chamberlain, Rt. Hn. J. (Birm.Greville, Hon. RonaldMalcolm, Ian
    Chamberlain, J. A. (Worc'r)Guest, Hon. Ivor ChurchillManners, Lord Edward Wm. J.
    Chaplin, Rt. Hon. HenryGull, Sir CameronMartin, Richard Biddulph
    Charrington, SpencerGuthrie, Walter MurrayMassey-Mainwaring, Hn. W. F
    Coghill, Douglas HarryHalsey, Thomas FrederickMellor, Colonel (Lancashire)
    Cohen, Benjamin LouisHamilton, Rt. Hon. Lord G.Melville, Beresford Valentine
    Ceilings, Rt. Hon. JesseHanbury, Rt. Hon. Robert W.Middlemore, J. Throgmorton
    Colomb, Sir John Charles R.Hardy, LaurenceMilbank, Sir Powlett C. John
    Colston, Chas. Edw. H. A.Haslett, Sir James HornerMonckton, Edward Philip
    Cook, Fred. Lucas (Lambeth)Heath, JamesMonk, Charles James
    Cooke, C. W. R. (Hereford)Hill, Arthur (Down, West)Moon, Edward Robert Pacy
    Corbett, A. C. (Glasgow)Hoare, Sir Samuel (Norwich)Moore, William (Antrim, N.)
    Cornwallis, Fiennes Stanley W.Hornby, Sir William HenryMore, Robt. Jasper (Shropshire)
    Cotton-Jodrell, Col. E. T. D.Houston, R. P.Morgan, J. Lloyd (Carmarthen)
    Cross, Herb. Shepherd (BoltonHoward, JosephMorrell, George Herbert
    Curzon, ViscountHudson, George BickerstethMorrison, James A. (Wilts., S.)
    Davies, Sir H. D. (Chatham)Hughes, Colonel EdwinMorton, A. H. A. (Deptford)
    Dilke, Rt. Hon. Sir CharlesHutchinson, Capt. G. W. Grice-Murray, Rt. Hon. A. G. (Bute)
    Disraeli, Coningsby RalphJackson, Rt. Hn. Wm. LawiesMurray, Charles J. (Coventry)

    during the year of March, 31st day of March, 1901, for the salaries, allowances, and expenses of various county court officers, of commissioners, and of magistrates in Ireland, and the expenses of revision."

    The Committee divided:—Ayes, 220; Noes, 63. (Division List No. 272.)

    Murray, Col. Wyndham (Bath)Sandon, ViscountTalbot, Lord E. (Chichester)
    Newdigate, Francis AlexanderSandys, Lt.-Col. Thos. MylesTabot, Rt. Hon. J. G (Oxf'd Univ.
    Nicol, Donald NinianScott, Charles P. (Leigh)Thornton, Percy M.
    O'Neill, Hon. Robert TorrensSeely, Charles HiltonTollemache, Henry James
    Paulton, James MellorSeton-Karr, HenryTomlinson, W. E. Murray
    Penn, JohnSharpe, William Edward T.Tritton, Charles Ernest
    Phillpotts, Captain ArthurShaw-Stewart, M. H.(Renfrew)Welby, Lt.-Cl. A. C. E.(Taunton
    Pierpoint, RobertSide bottom, William(Derbysh.Whiteley, George (Stockport)
    Pilkington, Rich. (Lancs NewtnSimeon, Sir HarringtonWhiteley, H.(Ashton-under-L
    Pollock, Harry FrederickSinclair, Louis (Romford)Whitmore, Charles Algernon
    Pretyman, Ernest GeorgeSkewes-Cox, ThomasWilliams, Joseph Powell-(Birm
    Pryce-Jones, Lt.-Col. EdwardSmith, Abel H. (Christchurch)Willoughby de Eresby, Lord
    Purvis, RobertSmith, J. Parker (Lanarks.)Willox, Sir John Archibald
    Rasch, Major Frederic CarneSmith, Hon. W. F. D. (Strand)Wilson, J. W.(Worcestersh, N.)
    Remnant, James FarquharsonSpencer, ErnestWilson-Todd, Wm. H. (Yorks.)
    Rentoul, James AlexanderSpicer, AlbertWodehouse, Rt. Hon. ER(Bath)
    Richards, Henry CharlesStanley, Hon Arthur(OrmskirkWortley, Rt. Hon. C. B. Stuart-
    Richardson, Sir T. (Hartlep'l)Stanley, Edward Jas(Somerset)Wrightson, Sir Thomas
    Rickett, J. ComptonStephens, Henry CharlesWylie, Alexander
    Ridley, Rt. Hon. Sir M. W.Stirling-Maxwell, Sir J. M.Wyndham, George
    Ritchie, Rt. Hon. C. ThomsonStock, James HenryWyvill, Marmaduke D'Arcy
    Rollit, Sir Albert KayeStrachey, EdwardYoung, Commander (Berks, E.)
    Round, JamesStrauss, ArthurTELLERS FOR THE AYES—
    Royds, Clement MolyueuxStrutt, Hon. Charles HedleySir William Walrond and Mr. Anstruther.
    Russell, T. W. (Tyrone)Sturt, Hon. Humphry Napier

    NOES.

    Abraham, William (Cork, N.E.Emmott, AlfredPrice, Robert John
    Abraham, William (Rhondda)Gourley, Sir Edward T.Provand, Andrew Dryburgh
    Asher, AlexanderGriffith, Ellis J.Roberts, John Bryn (Eifion)
    Ashton, Thomas GairHarwood, GeorgeRoberts, John H. (Denbighs.)
    Atherley-Jones, L.Hayne, Rt. Hon. Charles Scale-Runciman, Walter
    Billson, AlfredHazell, WalterSamuel, J. (Stockton-on-Tees)
    Bolton, Thomas DollingHolland, William HenrySoames, Arthur Wellesley
    Bramsdon, Thomas ArthurHorniman, Frederick JohnSouttar, Robinson
    Brigg, JohnJoicey, Sir JamesSteadman, William Charles
    Broadhurst, HenryLewis, John HerbertSullivan, Donal (Westmeath)
    Burt, ThomasMacDonnell, Dr. M.A. (Q. C.)Thomas, David A. (Merthyr)
    Buxton, Sydney CharlesMacNeill, John Gordon SwiftUre, Alexander
    Caldwell, JamesM'Leod, JohnWallace, Robert
    Cawley, FrederickMaddison, Fred.Walton, Joseph (Barnsley)
    Channing, Francis AllstonMendl, Sigismund FerdinandWilson, Hy. J. (York, W.R.)
    Curran, Thomas B. (Donegal)Montagu, Sir S. (Whitechapel)Wilson, J. H. (Middlesbrough)
    Dalziel, James HenryMorgan, W. Pritchaid (MerthyrWoodhouse, Sir J T(Hudd'rsf'd.
    Dewar, ArthurMorton, Edw. J. C. (Devonport)Woods, Samuel
    Doogan, P. C.Moss, SamuelYoxall, James Henry
    Douglas, Charles M. (Lanark)O'Connor, T. P. (Liverpool)TELLERS FOR THE NOES—
    Duckworth, JamesPalmer, Sir C. M. (Durham)Captain Donelan and Mr. Patrick O'Brien.
    Edwards, Owen MorganPickersgill, Edward Hare

    34. £56,150, to complete the sum for Dublin Metropolitan Police.

    35. Motion made, and Question put, "That a sum, not exceeding £752,408, be granted to Her Majesty, to complete the sum necessary to defray the Charge

    Allsopp, Hon. GeorgeBentinck, Lord Henry C.Cavendish, V.C.W.(Derbysh.)
    Anson, Sir William ReynellBethell, CommanderCayzer, Sir Charles William
    Arrol, Sir WilliamBhownaggree, Sir M. M.Cecil, Evelyn (Hertford, East)
    Ashmead-Bartlett, Sir EllisBigwood, JamesChamberlain, Rt. Hn. J.(Birm.)
    Atkinson, lit. Hon. JohnBlundell, Colonel HenryChamberlain, J Austen (Worc'r
    Balcarres, LordBrassey, AlbertChaplin, Rt. Hon. Henry
    Balfour, Rt. Hon. A. J.(Manch'rBrodrick, Rt. Hon. St. JohnCharrington, Spencer
    Balfour, Rt. Hn Gerald W (LeedsBrown, Alexander H.Coghill, Douglas Harry
    Barnes, Frederic GorellBullard, Sir HarryCohen, Benjamin Louis
    Beach, Rt. Hn. Sir M. H. (BristolButcher, John GeorgeCollings, Rt. Hon. Jesse
    Beach, Rt. Hn. W. W. B. (HantsCarlile, William WalterColomb, Sir J. Charles Ready
    Beckett, Ernest WilliamCarson, Rt. Hon. Sir Edw. H.Colston, Chas. Edw. H. Athole

    which will come in course of payment during the year ending on the 31st day of March, 1901, for the expenses of the Royal Irish Constabular."

    The Committee divided:—Ayes, 199; Noes, 72. (Division List No. 273.)

    Cook, Fred. Lucas (Lambeth)Jenkins, Sir John JonesRentoul, James Alexander
    Cooke, C. W. Radcliffe (Heref'd)Jessel, Capt. Herbert M.Richards, Henry Charles
    Corbett, A. Cameron(Glasgow)Kenyon, JamesRichardson, Sir Thos(Hartlep'l
    Cornwallis, Fiennes S. W.Keswick, WilliamRidley, Rt. Hon Sir Matthew W.
    Cotton-Jodrell, Col. Ed w. T. D.Kimber, HenryRitchie, Rt. Hon. Chas. T.
    Cross, Herb. Shepherd (BoltonLafone, AlfredRollit, Sir Albert Kaye
    Curzon, ViscountLaurie, Lieut.-GeneralRound, James
    Davies, Sir Horatio D(ChathamLawrence, Sir E Durning-(CornRoyds, Clement Molyneux
    Dilke, Rt. Hon. Sir CharlesLawrence, Wm. F. (Liverpool)Russell, T. W. (Tyrone)
    Disraeli, Coningsby RalphLawson, John Grant (Yorks.)Sandon, Viscount
    Douglas, Rt. Hon. A. Akers-Lea, Sir Thomas(Londonderry)Sandys, Lt.-Col. Thos. Myles
    Doxford, Sir William TheodoreLeigh-Bennett, Henry CurrieSeely, Charles Hilton
    Dyke, Rt. Hon Sir William HartLlewelyn, Sir Dillwyn-(Sw'ns'aSeton-Karr, Henry
    Egerton, Hon. A. de TattonLopes, Henry Yarde BullerSharpe, William Edward T.
    Faber, George DenisonLowe, Francis WilliamShaw-Stewart. M. H. (Renfrew)
    Fellowes, Hon. Ailwyn Edw.Lowles, JohnSidebottom, William (Derbys.
    Finlay, Sir Robert BannatyneLoyd, Archie KirkmanSimeon, Sir Barrington
    Firbank, Joseph ThomasLucas-Shad well, WilliamSinclair, Louis (Romford)
    Fisher, William HayesMacartney, W. G. EllisonSkewes-Cox, Thomas
    FitzGerald, Sir Robert Penrose-Macdona, John CummingSmith, Abel H. (Christchurch)
    Fitz Wygram, General Sir F.MacIver, David (Liverpool)Smith, James Parker (Lanark)
    Flannery, Sir FortescueMaclure, Sir John WilliamSmith, Hon. W. F. D (Strand)
    Flower, ErnestM'Arthur, Charles (Liverpool)Spencer, Ernest
    Foster, Colonel (Lancaster)M'Killop, JamesStanley, Hon Arthur(Ormskirk
    Galloway, William JohnsonMalcolm, IanStanley, Edw. J. (Somerset)
    Garfit, WilliamManners, Lord Edward Wm. J.Stephens, Henry Charles
    Gedge, SydneyMartin, Richard BiddulphStirling-Maxwell, Sir J. M.
    Gibbons, J. LloydMassey-Mainwaring, Hn. W. F.Stock, James Henry
    Gibbs, Hn A. G. H. (City of Lund.Mellor, Colonel (Lancashire)Strauss, Arthur
    Godson, Sir Augustus FrederickMelville, Beresford ValentineStrutt, Hon. Charles Hedley
    Gorst, Rt. Hon. Sir John EldonMiddlemore, John T.Sturt, Hon. Humphry Napier
    Goschen, Rt Hn G J (St. George'sMonckton, Edward PhilipTalbot, Lord E. (Chichester)
    Goschen, George J. (Sussex)Moon, Edward Robert PacyTalbot, Rt. Hn. J. G.(Oxf'd Univ.
    Goulding, Edward AlfredMoore, William (Antrim, N.)Thornton, Percy M.
    Green, W. D. (Wednesbury)More, Robert J. (Shropshire)Tollemache, Henry James
    Greene, Henry D. (Shrewsbury)Morrell, George HerbertTomlinson, Wm. Edw. Murray
    Greville, Hon. RonaldMorrison, James A.(Wilts., S.)Tritton, Charles Ernest
    Guest, Hon. Ivor ChurchillMorton, Arthur H. A.(DeptfordWelby, Lt-Col. A. C. E (Taunf'n
    Gull, Sir CameronMurray, Rt. Hn. A. G. (Bute)Whiteley, H.(Ashton-under-L.
    Guthrie, Walter MurrayMurray, Charles J. (Coventry)Whitmore, Charles Algernon
    Halsey, Thomas FrederickMurray, Col. Wyndham(Bath)Williams, J. Powell- (Birm.)
    Hamilton, Rt. Hon. Lord G.Newdigate, Francis AlexanderWilloughby de Eresby, Lord
    Hanbury, Rt. Hn. Rubert W.Nicol, Donald NinianWillox, Sir John Archibald
    Hardy, LaurenceO'Neill, Hon. Robert TorreusWilson, J. W. (Worcestersh, N.
    Haslett, Sir James HornerPalmer, Sir C. M. (Durham)Wilson-Todd, W. H. (Yorks.)
    Heath JamesPenn, JohnWodehouse, Rt. Hn. E. R.(Bath
    Hill, Arthur (Down, West)Phillpotts, Captain ArthurWortley, Rt. Hon. C. B. (Stuart-
    Hoare, Sir Samuel (Norwich)Pierpoint, RobertWrightson, Sir Thomas
    Hornby, Sir William HenryPilkington, Rich. (Lancs NewtnWylie, Alexander
    Houston, R. P.Pollock, Harry FrederickWyndham, George
    Howard, JosephPretyman, Ernest GeorgeWyvill, Marmaduke D'Arcy
    Hudson, George BickerstethPryce-Jones, Lt.-Col. EdwardYoung, Commander (Berks, E.)
    Hughes, Colonel EdwinPurvis, RobertTELLERS FOR THE AYES—
    Jackson, Rt. Hon. Win. L.Rasch, Major Frederic CarneSir William Walrond and Mr. Anstruther.
    Jeffreys, Arthur FrederickRemnant, James Farquharson

    NOES.

    Abraham, Wm. (Cork, N.E.)Curran, Thomas B. (Donegal)Jones, David B. (Swansea)
    Abraham, William (Rhondda)Dalziel, James HenryJones, William (Carnarvonsh.)
    Asher, AlexanderDewar, ArthurLeese, Sir J. F. (Accrington)
    Ashton, Thomas GairDoogan, P. C.Lewis, John Herbert
    Atherley-Jones, L.Douglas, Charles M. (Lanark)MacDonnell, Dr. M. A. (Qn.'s Co
    Bayley, Thomas (Derbyshire)Duckworth, JamesMacNeill, John Gordon Swift
    Billson, AlfredEdwards, Owen MorganM'Kenna, Reginald
    Bolton, Thomas DollingEmmott, AlfredM'Leod, John
    Bramsdon, Thomas ArthurGourley, Sir Edward TemperleyMaddison, Fred.
    Brigg, JohnGriffith, Ellis J.Mendl, Sigismund Ferdinand
    Broadhurst, HenryHarwood, GeorgeMontagu, Sir S. (Whitechap'l)
    Burt, ThomasHayne, Rt. Hn. Charles Seale-Morgan, J. L. (Carmarthen)
    Buxton, Sydney CharlesHazell, WalterMorgan, W Pritchard (Merthyr
    Caldwell, JamesHolland, William HenryMorton, Edw. J.C. (Devonport)
    Cawley, FrederickHorniman, Frederick JohnMoss, Samuel
    Channing, Francis AllstonJoicey, Sir JamesO'Connor, T. P. (Liverpool)

    Pickersgill, Edward HareSoames, Arthur WellesleyWalton, Joseph (Barnsley)
    Price, Robert JohnSouttar, RobinsonWhiteley, George (Stockport)
    Provand, Andrew DryburghSpicer, AlbertWilson, Henry J. (York, W. R.)
    Rickett, J. ComptonSteadman, William CharlesWoodhouse, Sir J. T. (H'dd'rsfd
    Roberts, John Bryn (Eifion)Strachey, EdwardWoods, Samuel
    Roberts, John H. (Denbighs.)Sullivan, Donal (Westmeath)Yoxall, James Henry
    Runciman, WalterThomas, David A. (Merthyr)TELLERS FOR THE NOES—
    Samuel, J. (Stockton-on-Tees)Ure, AlexanderCaptain Donelan and Mr. Patrick O'Brien.
    Scott, Chas. Prestwich (Leigh)Wallace, Robert

    36. £74,443, to complete the sum for Prisons, Iceland.

    37. £2,906, to complete the sum for Dundrum Criminal Lunatic Asylum, Ireland.

    Class Iv

    38. £690,318, to complete the sum for Public Education, Scotland.

    39. £2,000, to complete the sum for the National Gallery, etc., Scotland.

    10. £515, to complete the sum for the Endowed Schools Commissioners, Ireland.

    41. £1,079, to complete the sum for the National Gallery of Ireland.

    42. £2,300, to complete the sum for the Queen's Colleges, Ireland.

    Class V

    43. £200,000, Supplementary sum for Colonial Services.

    AYES.

    Anson, Sir William ReynellChaplin, Rt. Hon. HenryGarfit, William
    Arrol, Sir WilliamCharrington, SpencerGedge, Sydney
    Asher, AlexanderCoghill, Douglas HarryGibbons, J. Lloyd
    Ashmead-Bartlett, Sir EllisCohen, Benjamin LouisGibbs, Hn. A. G. H. (City of Lond
    Ashton, Thomas GairCollings, Rt. Hon. JesseGladstone, Rt. Hon. Herb. J.
    Atkinson, Rt. Hon. JohnColston, Chas. Edw. H. AtholeGodson, Sir Augustus Prederick
    Bailey, James (Walworth)Cook, Fred. Lucas (Lambeth)Gorst, Rt. Hon. Sir J. Eldon
    Balcarres, LordCooke, C. W. R. (Hereford)Goschen, Rt. Hn. G. J. (St. Geo.'s
    Balfour, Rt. Hn. A. J.(Manch'rCorbett, A. Cameron(Glasgow)Goschen, George J. (Sussex)
    Balfour, Rt. Hn. G. W. (Leeds)Cornwallis, Fiennes Stanley W.Goulding, Edward Alfred
    Barnes, Frederic GorellCotton-Jodrell, Col. E. T. D.Green, W. D. (Wednesbury)
    Beach, Rt. Hn. Sir M H (Bristol)Cross, Herb. Shepherd(Bolton)Greene, Henry D. (Shrewsbury)
    Beach, Rt. Hn. W. W. B. (HantsCurzon, ViscountGreville, Hon. Ronald
    Beckett, Ernest WilliamDavies Sir Horatio D(ChathamGuest, Hon. Ivor Churchill
    Bentinck, Lord Henry C.Disraeli, Coningsby RalphGull, Sir Cameron
    Bethell, CommanderDouglas, Rt. Hon. A. Akers-Halsey, Thomas Frederick
    Bhownaggree, Sir M. M.Douglas, Charles M. (Lanark)Hamilton, Rt. Hn. Lord George
    Bigwood, JamesDoxford, Sir William TheodoreHanbury, Rt. Hon. Rbt. Wm.
    Blundell, Colonel HenryDyke, Rt. Hn. Sir William HartHardy, Laurence
    Bramsdon, Thomas ArthurEgerton, Hon. A. de TattonHaslett, Sir James Horner
    Brassey, AlbertEmmott, AlfredHazell, Walter
    Brodrick, Rt. Hon. St. JohnFaber, George DenisonHeath, James
    Brown, Alexander H.Fellowes, Hon. Ailwyn Edw.Hill, Arthur (Down, West)
    Bullard, Sir HarryFinlay, Sir Robert BannatyneHoare, Sir Samuel (Norwich)
    Carlile, William WalterFirbank, Joseph ThomasHolland, William Henry
    Carson, Rt. Hon. Sir Edw. H.Fisher, William HayesHornby, Sir William Henry
    Cavendish, V.C. W.(Derbysh.)FitzGerald, Sir Robert Penrose-Houston, R. P.
    Cayzer, Sir Charles WilliamFitz Wygram, General Sir F.Howard, Joseph
    Cecil, Evelyn (Hertford, East)Flower, ErnestHudson, George Bickersteth
    Cecil, Lord Hugh (Greenwich)Foster, Colonel (Lancaster)Hughes, Colonel Edwin
    Chamberlain, Rt. Hon. J. (BirmFoster, Harry S. (Suffolk)Jackson, Rt. Hon. Wm. Lawies
    Chamberlain, J Austen (Worc'rGalloway, William JohnsonJeffreys, Arthur Frederick

    Class Vi

    44. £468, to complete the sum for Hospitals and Charities, Ireland.

    Class Vii

    45. £4,191, for Repayments to the Civil Contingencies Fund.

    46. £37,030, for a contribution to the Local Taxation (Ireland) Account.

    Army Estimates, 1900–1901

    47. Motion made, and Question put, "That a sum not exceeding £275,000, be granted to Her Majesty, to defray the Charge for the Salaries and Miscellaneous Charges of the War Office, which will come in course of payment during the year ending on the 31st day of March, 1901."

    The Committee divided:—Ayes, 198; Noes, 52. (Division List No. 274.)

    Jenkins, Sir John JonesMorton, Arthur Hn. A (Deptford)Smith, James Parker (Lanarks.
    Jessel, Captain Herbert MertonMurray, Rt. Hn A. Graham(ButeSpencer, Ernest
    Joicey, Sir JamesMurray, Charles J. (Coventry)Spicer, Albert
    Kenyon, JamesMurray, Col. Wyndham (Bath)Stanley, Hn. Arthur (Ormskirk
    Keswick, WilliamNewdigate, Francis AlexanderStanley, Edward J.(Somerset)
    Kimber, HenryNicol, Donald NinianStephens, Henry Charles
    Lafone, AlfredO'Neill, Hon. Robert TorrensStirling-Maxwell, Sir John M.
    Laurie, Lieut. -GeneralPenn, JohnStock, James Henry
    Lawrence, Sir E Durning-(CornPhillpotts, Captain ArthurStrauss, Arthur
    Lawrence, Wm. P. (Liverpool)Pierpoint, RobertStrutt, Hon. Charles Hedley
    Lawson, John Grant (Yorks.)Pilkington, R. (Lancs, Newton)Sturt, Hon. Humphry Napier
    Lea, Sir Thomas (Londonderry)Pollock, Harry FrederickTalbot, Lord E. (Chichester)
    Leese, Sir Joseph F. (AccringtonPretyman, Ernest GeorgeTalbot, Rt. Hn. J. G (Oxf'd Univ.
    Leigh-Bennett, Henry CurriePryce-Jones, Lt. -Col. Edw.Thornton, Percy M.
    Llewelyn, Sir Dillwyn-(Swans.Purvis, RobertTollemache, Henry James
    Lopes, Henry Yarde BullerRemnant, James FarquharsonTomlinson, Wm. Edw. Murray
    Lowe, Francis WilliamRentoul, James AlexanderTritton, Charles Ernest
    Lowles, JohnRichards, Henry CharlesWallace, Robert
    Lucas-Shadwell, WilliamRichardson, Sir T. (Hartlep'l)Welby, Lt-Col. A. C. E. (Tauntn
    Macartney, W. G. EllisonRickett, J. ComptonWhiteley, H.(Ashton-under-L.
    Macdona, John CummingRidley, Rt. Hon. Sir Matthew WWilliams, Jos. Powell- (Birm.
    Maclure, Sir John WilliamRitchie, Rt. Hon. C. ThomsonWilloughby de Eresby, Lord
    M'Arthur, Charles (Liverpool)Rollit, Sir Albeit KayeWillox, Sir John Archibald
    M'Killop, JamesRoyds, Clement MolyneuxWilson, J. W. (Worcestersh, N.)
    Malcolm, IanRunciman, WalterWilson-Todd, W. H. (Yorks.)
    Manners, Lord Edward Wm. J.Russell, T. W. (Tyrone)Wodehouse, Rt. Hn. E. R.(Bath
    Massey-Mainwaring, Hn. W. F.Sandon, ViscountWortley, Rt. Hn. C. B. Stuart-
    Mellor, Colonel (Lancashire)Sandys, Lt.-Col. Thos. MylesWrightson, Sir Thomas
    Melville, Beresford ValentineSeely, Charles HiltonWylie, Alexander
    Middlemore, J. ThrogmortonSharpe, William Edward T.Wyndham, George
    Monckton, Edward PhilipShaw-Stewart, M. H. (Renfrew)Wyvill, Marmaduke D'Arcy
    Moore, William (Antrim, N.)Sidebottom, William(Derbysh.Young, Commander (Berks, E.)
    More, R. Jasper (Shropshire)Sinclair, Louis (Romford)TELLERS FOR THE AYES—
    Morrell, George HerbertSkewes-Cox, ThomasSir William Walrond and Mr. Anstruther.
    Morrison, James A. (Wilts., S.)Smith, A. H. (Christchurch)

    NOES.

    Abraham, William (Cork, N. E.Gourley, Sir Edward TemperleyRoberts, John Bryn (Eifion)
    Abraham, William (Rhondda)Griffith, Ellis J.Roberts, John H. (Denbighs.)
    Bayley, Thomas (Derbyshire)Harwood, GeorgeSamuel, J. (Stockton-on-Tees)
    Billson, AlfredHayne, Rt. Hon. Charles Seale-Scott, Chas. Prestwich (Leigh)
    Bolton, Thomas DollingHorniman, Frederick JohnSoames, Arthur Wellesley
    Brigg, JohnJones, David Brynmor (Sw'nseaSteadman, William Charles
    Burt, ThomasJones, William (Carnarvonsh.Sullivan, Donald (Westmeath)
    Caldwell, JamesMacDonnell, Dr M A (Queen'sCThomas, David A. (Merthyr)
    Cawley, FrederickMacNeill, John Gordon SwiftUre, Alexander
    Channing, Francis AllstonM'Kenna, ReginaldWalton, Joseph (Barnsley)
    Colomb, Sir John Charles ReadyM'Leod, JohnWilson, Henry J. (York, W. R.)
    Curran, Thomas B. (Donegal)Mendl, Sigismund FerdinandWoodhouse, Sir J (Huddersf'd
    Dalziel, James HenryMorgan, W Pritchard (MerthyrWoods, Samuel
    Dewar, ArthurMoss, SamuelYoxall, James Henry
    Dilke, Rt. Hon. Sir CharlesO'Brien, Patrick (Kilkenny)
    Donelan, Captain A.O'Connor, T. P. (Liverpool)TELLERS FOR THE AYES—
    Doogan, P. C.Pickersgill, Edward HareMr. Price and Mr. Herbert Lewis.
    Duckworth, JamesProvand, Andrew Dryburgh
    Edwards, Owen MorganRasch, Major Frederic Carne

    48. £204,000, Ordnance Factories.

    Resolutions to be reported To-morrow.

    Ways And Means

    Considered in Committee.

    (In the Committee.)

    Resolved, That towards making good the Supply granted to Her Majesty for the service of the year ending on the 31st day of March, 1901, the sum of £95,234,796 be granted out of the Con-

    solidated Fund of the United Kingdom.—( Mr. Chancellor of the Exchequer.)

    Resolution to be reported To-morrow.

    Supplementary War Loan Bill

    Considered in Committee.

    (In the Committee.)

    [Mr. J. W. LOWTHER (Cumberland, Penrith) in the Chair.]

    said that he did not think the Government ought to ask them to discuss the Bill in detail at that hour, and he would move to report progress.

    I hope the hon. Member will not press his objection. It was understood that I should before the Third Reading of the Bill lay a full statement on the Table of the House. I will undertake to do so. It is very important that I should get the Rill through Committee to-night, for I have to make arrangements for the issue of part of the loan as soon as possible.

    Bill reported, without Amendment; to be read the third time upon Monday next.

    Navy And Army Expenditure, 1898–9

    Resolutions reported:—

    That it appears by the Navy Appropriation Account for the year ended the 31st day of March, 1899, and the statement appended thereto, as follows, viz.:

    ( a.) That the gross expenditure for certain Naval Services exceeded the estimate of such expenditure by a total sum of £637,516 8s. 3d., as shown in Column No. 1 of the Schedule hereto appended; while the gross expenditure for other Navy Services fell short of the estimate of such expenditure by a total sum of £825,980 6s. 6d., as shown in Column No. 2 of the said appended Schedule, so that the gross actual expenditure for the whole of the Navy Services fell short of the gross estimated expenditure by the net sum of £188,463 18s. 3d.

    SCHEDULE.
    Number of Vote.Navy Services 1898–99. Votes.Gross Expenditure.Appropriations in Aid.
    Excesses of Actual over Estimated Gross Expenditure.Surpluses of Estimated over Actual Gross Expenditure.Deficiencies of Actual as compared with Estimated Receipts.Surpluses of Actual as compared with Estimated Receipts.
    1.23.4.
    £s.d.£s.d.£s.d.£s.d.
    1Wages, etc., of Officers, Seamen, and Boys, Coast Guard, and Royal Marines52,0381202,03911
    2Victualling and Clothing for the Navy95,2091443,6981211

    ( b.) That the receipts in aid of certain Navy Services fell short of the estimate of such receipts by a total sum of £6,853 13s. 5d., as shown in Column No. 3 of the said appended Schedule; while the receipts in aid of other Navy Services exceeded the estimate of such receipts by a total sum of £65,914 3s. 3d., as shown in Column No. 4 of the said appended Schedule; so that the total actual receipts in aid of the Grants for Navy Services exceeded the total estimated receipts by the net sum of £59,060 9s. 10d.

    ( c.) That the resulting differences between the Exchequer Grants for Navy Services and the net expenditure are as follows, viz.:—

    £s.d.
    Total Surpluses825,325127
    Total Deficits577,80146
    Net Surplus£247,52481

    That the Lords Commissioners of Her Majesty's Treasury have temporarily authorised the application, in reduction of the net charge on Exchequer Grants for certain Navy Services, of the whole of the sums received in excess of the estimated Appropriations in Aid, in respect of the same Services; and have also temporarily authorised the application of so much of the said total surpluses on certain Grants for Navy Services as is necessary to cover the said total deficits on other Grants for Navy Services.

    1. "That the application of such sums be sanctioned."

    Number of Vote.Navy Services, 1898–99. Votes.Gross Expenditure.Appropriations in Aid.
    Excesses of Actual over Estimated Gross Expenditure.Surpluses of Estimated over Actual Gross Expenditure.Deficiencies of Actual as compared with Estimated Receipts.Surpluses of Actual as compared with Estimated Receipts.
    1.2.3.4.
    £s.d.£s.d.£s.d.£S.d.
    3Medical Establishments and Services551111163696
    4Martial Law719324084
    5Educational Services1,42286161119
    6Scientific Services2,8971805,42307
    7Royal Naval Reserves13,683111188131
    8Shipbuilding, Repairs, Maintenance, etc.:
    Sec. 1Personnel191,31868127
    See. 2Materiel192,7155743,268140
    Sec. 3Contract Work749,758962,0531310
    9Naval Armaments8,525136731511
    10Works, Buildings, and Repairs at Home and Abroad91,24199,10,75273
    11Miscellaneous Effective Services32,8621921,553162
    12Admiralty Office500581179
    13Half-pay, Reserved and Retired Pay18,1694595416
    14Naval and Marine Pensions, Gratuities, and Compassionate Allowances4,4919111,24686
    15Civil Pensions and Gratuities4,633151881111
    16Additional Naval Force for Service in AustralasianWaters4216048600
    Amount written off as irrecoverable2,654142
    637,51683825,980666,85313565,91433
    Net Surplus, £188,463 18 3Net Surplus,£59,060910
    Surplus surrendered to the Exchequer£247,52481

    That it appears by the Army Appropriation Account for the year ended the 31st day of March, 1899 (as corrected by the Second Report of the Committee of Public Accounts of the present session), and the statement appended thereto as follows, viz.:—

    ( a.) That the gross expenditure for certain Army Services exceeded the esti-

    mate of such expenditure by a total sum of £268,594 1s. 9d., as shown in Column No. 1 of the Schedule hereto appended; while the gross expenditure for other Army Services fell short of the estimate of such expenditure by a total sum of £100,615 14s. 2d., as shown in Column No. 2 of the said appended Schedule; so that the gross actual expenditure for the

    whole of the Army services exceeded the gross estimated expenditure by the net sum of £167,978 7s. 7d.

    ( b.) That the receipts in aid of certain Army Services fell short of the estimate of such receipts by a total sum of £48,828 14s. 6d. as shown in Column No. 3 of the said appended Schedule; while the receipts in aid of the other Army Services exceeded the estimate of such receipts by a total sum of £226,126 0s. 9d., as shown in Column No. 4 of the said appended Schedule; so that the total actual receipts in aid of the Grants for Army Services exceeded the total estimated receipts by the net sum of £177,297 6s. 3d.

    ( c.) That the resulting differences between the Exchequer Grants for Army Services and the net expenditure are as follows, viz.:—

    SCHEDULE.
    No. of Vote.Army Services, 1898–99. Votes.Gross Expenditure.Appropriations in Aid.
    Excesses of Actual over Estimated Gross Expenditure.Surpluses of Estimated over Actual Gross Expenditure.Deficiencies of Actual as compared with Estimated Receipts.Surpluses of Actual as compared with Estimated Receipts.
    1.2.3.4.
    £s.d.£s.d.£s.d.£s.d.
    1Pay, etc., of Army (General Stall, Regiments, Reserve, and Departments)29,3581011100,529178
    2Medical Establishments: Pay, etc.35,05451551311
    3Militia: Pay, Extra Pay, Bounty, etc6,35414631958
    4Yeomanry Cavalry: Pay and Allowances.1,4891791810
    5Volunteer Corps: Pay and Allowances1,84021743182
    6Transport and Remounts119,933309,950198
    7Provisions, Forage, and other Supplies45,5242122,81060
    8Clothing Establishments and Services74,1081508,251011
    9Warlike and other Stores: Supply and Repair17,71617658,131311
    10Works, Buildings, and Repairs: Cost, including Staff for Engineer Services1,87214348 384142

    £s.d.
    Total Surpluses278,806125
    Total Deficits269,487139
    Net Surplus£9,318188

    That by a Vote of Parliament during the present session (House of Commons Paper No. 90, of 1900) a further sum of £100 has been granted for the expenditure of the year 1898–9, and the appropriation of additional receipts in aid of such expenditure has been sanctioned to the amount of £168,070 2s. 6d.

    That the Lords Commissioners of Her Majesty's Treasury have temporarily authorised the application of so much of the said total surpluses on certain Grants for Army Services as is necessary to cover the said total deficits on other Grants for Army Services.

    2. "That the application of such sums be sanctioned."

    No. of Vote.Army Services, 1898–99 Votes.Gross Expenditure.Appropriations in Aid.
    Excesses of Actual over Estimated Gross Expenditure.Surpluses of Estimated over Actual Gross Expenditure.Deficiencies of Actual as compared with Estimated Receipts.Surpluses of Actual as compared with Estimated Receipts.
    1.2.3.4.
    £s.d.£s.d.£s.d.£s.d.
    11Establishments for Military Education2,3321042,06381
    12Miscellaneous Effective Services4045553166
    13War Office: Salaries and Miscellaneous Charges1,815127347411
    14Non-effective Charges for Officers, etc.20,6198519,32700
    15Non-effective Charges for Men, etc.4,412683,915161
    16Superannuation, Compensation, and Compassionate Allowances6,132076909
    Balances irrecoverable24099
    268,59419100,61514248,828146226,12609

    Add Excess Vote

    10000
    100,715142
    Net Deficit,£167,87877Net Surplus,£177,29763
    Net Surplus£9,418 18 8
    —(Mr. Hanbury.)

    Resolutions agreed to.

    Prohibition Of Exportation Of Arms Bill Lords

    As amended, considered; Bill read the third time, and passed, with Amendments.

    Tramways (Ireland) Acts Amendment Bill

    As amended, considered; Bill read the third time, and passed.

    Members Of Local Authorities Relief Bill Lords

    Considered in Committee, and reported, without amendment; road the third time, and passed, without amendment.

    In pursuance of the Order of the House of the 16th day of July last, Mr. Speaker adjourned the House without Question put.

    Adjourned at five minutes after One of the clock