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Written Answers

Volume 35: debated on Wednesday 13 March 1912

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Written Answers

Cattle Drives

asked the Chief Secretary for Ireland whether he is aware that cattle-drives have recently taken place in the following districts: From John Cullinan's farm, at Fahy North, Carron, on 10th February; from W. Doran's lands, at Corimbla, on 11th February; from M. D. O'Sullivan's farm, at Ashgrove, near Kenmare, on 14th February; from Messrs. Shirley and Ashmore's lands, at Gorteena-hilla, Cullohil, Queen's County, on 14th February; from William Dunne's farm, at Corbally, Queen's County, about 14th February; and from J. C. Wilmot Smith's lands, at Ballynanty, near Bruff, on 19th February; and, if so, what action has been taken in these cases?

The police authorities inform me that cattle were not driven from John Cullinan's farm at Fahy, on 10th February. Cattle were driven off W. Doran's land at Corimbla, county Mayo, on 15th February, no arrests made; off Mr. O'Sullivan's farm at Gortalinny, on 7th February, no arrests made; off Messrs. Shirley and Ashmore's lands at Gurtnahilla, on 2nd February, fifteen persons returned for trial at assizes; off W. Dunne's land at Corbally, on 5th February, no arrests made; and off the lands of C. W. Smith at Ballynanty, on 19th February, no arrests made. The police are doing all that is possible to prevent further drives. Where cattle are driven off lands by stealth at night it is difficult for the police to make detections unless they have constant relief patrols on the farms.

Irish Language

asked in what schools in Westmeath, in the opinion of the inspectors of Irish under the Board of National Education, the Irish language was satisfactorily taught in the school year ending 30th June, 1911, and to which full payment was made for that teaching?

Irish, in the opinion of the Examiner of Irish under the Board of National Education, was satisfactorily taught in the school year ended 30th June, 1911, and full fees were paid for the teaching thereof in case of the undermentioned schools in the county Westmeath:—Mullingar Convent, Milltown Boys', Newbristy, Multyfarnham Boys', Multyfarnham Girls', Cloran, Ballinagore Girls', Ballymore Boys', The Downs, Milltown Girls', and St. Feighin's Boys'.

Insanity (Ireland)

also asked the Chief Secretary the number of the persons during the last five years in Ireland certified by medical practitioners as insane who were released as sane within twelve months; the total cost to asylums in respect of those persons; whether he is aware that a rule of the Local Government Board allows no fee to be paid to the examiner unless he gives a certificate of insanity; and whether, in the interest of ratepayers, he will have that rule altered and a fee paid for the examination, irrespective of its result?

It is presumed that the hon. Member's question refers to the District and Auxiliary Asylums. The number of persons during the five years 1906–1910 (the latest date for which information is available) in Ireland, certified by medical practitioners as insane, who were re- leased as sane (recovered) within twelve months, was 5,506. The cost to asylums in respect of these persons cannot be given, as the record of their cost is not kept distinct from that of the other patients. The Local Government Board have made no rule such as that suggested in the question. The majority of admissions to Irish public asylums are effected under the 10th Section of the Act 30 and 31 Vic, cap. 118. The payment of the fee in such cases is regulated by the 14th Section of the Act 38 and 39 Vic, cap. 67, which leaves the matter at the discretion of the committing magistrates.

Land Purchase (Ireland)

asked how the Estates Commissioners are going to deal with George Hartigan, tenant on the Lyons estate at Ballinscala, Kilmallock, county Limerick; and, in view of the circumstances which so far have prevented this tenant from getting an advance under the Land Purchase Acts, will he be allowed to divide his farm and purchase the bigger part of the holding, or will the Commissioners reconsider the whole case and allow the full advance of £7,000 to be made, as it is well known that the £2,000 odd which they say he has already been advanced was for the farm which he holds in trust for his nephews, which no doubt would have passed from their hands except for Mr. Hartigan's consideration?

The Estates Commissioners inform me that Hartigan signed an agreement under the Irish Land Act, 1903, to purchase his holding on the estate of J. D. Lyons, county Limerick, for the sum of £6,134. He and his wife had already obtained an advance of £2,231 for the purchase of a holding on the O'Donnell estate, county Limerick, which advance they state they obtained as trustees for their brother-in-law, but the Court of Appeal have decided that this advance must, for the purposes of Section 1 (4) of the Irish Land Act, 1903, be taken as made to Hartigan. He cannot, therefore, now obtain a greater advance than £4,769 (being the difference between £7,000, the maximum advance obtainable under the Irish Land Act, 1903, and £2,231, the advance already obtained by him). It is open to Hartigan to lodge in cash the balance of the advance of £6,134 applied for by him. If the farm were divided, as proposed in the question, and an agreement now lodged for the purchase of portion of it, such agreement would be subject to a 3½ per cent, annuity under the Irish Land Act, 1909, and the maximum advance which could be made in such circumstances to him would be £2,769.

Macroom Workhouse Hospital

asked whether the Local Government Board have recently received letters of complaint as to the treatment of patients in the internal working of the Macroom workhouse hospital; what was the nature of these complaints; have they been investigated; and, if so, with what result?

Complaints have been received by the Local Government Board from several women as to the internal working of the Macroom workhouse hospital. The allegations resolve themselves generally into charges against the officials of the hospital, and complaints as to the treatment meted out to these women while patients therein. The Board are in communication with the guardians on this subject, and their inspector proposes to investigate the matter personally at the hospital.

Application For Reinstatement

asked the Chief Secretary whether he is aware that Jeremiah Sheehan, an evicted tenant on the Smith estate at Knockardrahan, Kanturk, county Cork, several years ago applied to the Estates Commissioners for reinstatement in his own or on an equivalent farm; and will he state the cause of the delay in this case?

The Estates Commissioners received an application from Jeremiah Sheehan for reinstatement in a holding formerly occupied by Daniel Sheehan and Jeremiah Sheehan as joint tenants on the Smith estate, county Cork, and, after inquiry and consideration, decided to take no action in the matter of Jeremiah Sheehan's application.

asked the Chief Secretary to the Lord Lieutenant of Ireland whether he is now in a position to state what action the Estates Commissioners propose to take with regard to the reinstatement of Timothy Cummins and John Desmond, evicted tenants on the Arnott estate; whether, in view of the fact that Desmond's predecessor being the tenant in possession of the holding at the passing of the Land Law (Ireland) Act, 1881, the middle interest of Wheeler was not determined by virtue of Section 8 of the Land Law (Ireland) Act, 1881, by reason of the rent of the holding being fixed at a sum less than the rent received by the middleman, and which would have constituted Desmond an immediate tenant to the Arnott estate were the appeal contested by him; whether he is aware that hundreds of middle interests in Ireland have not been determined in the same way and the occupying tenants ipso facto become immediate tenants to the head landlords; whether he will again cause inquiries to be made as to the legal and equitable claims of Desmond to be reinstated, inasmuch as Wheeler could not in any circumstances have resumed possession of the holding had not circumstances arisen which gave the head landlord an opportunity of evicting Desmond out of the holding; and whether the tenants in question will be reinstated before an advance is made for the purchase of the estate?

The Estates Commissioners do not propose to take any action in the cases of Timothy Cummins and John Desmond. Cummins obtained possession of a holding on the Arnott estate as executor of a Mrs. Murphy. He fell into arrears with the rent, and gave up possession on receiving compensation for doing so. Desmond, who appears to have held as subtenant to a Miss Wheeler, tried to get a judicial rent fixed under the Land Law Acts, but the lands being a town park the case was dismissed by the Land Commission Appeal Court, and does not therefore come within the Evicted Tenants Act, 1907. The nephew of Miss Wheeler, the former direct tenant of this holding, is now in occupation of it, and has signed an agreement for the purchase of the holding under the Land Purchase Acts.

Royal Navy

Purchase Of Discharge

asked the First Lord of the Admiralty, whether he will consider the advisability of revising the paragraph concerning purchase of discharge in the official pamphlet, entitled "How to join the Royal Navy," which may in its present form be misleading, having regard to the fact that permission to purchase discharge is refused on the plea that an able seaman has received 2½ years man's services?

The pamphlet, "How to join the Royal Navy," states:—"Purchase of discharge before the expiration of engagement is permitted under certain conditions in individual cases where it can be shown that there are good reasons for the application." This statement does not seem to me to be misleading; but to remove any possibility of doubt it is proposed to add in the next reprint, after the word "permitted," the words "subject to the requirements of the Service."

"Dartmouth" Class Cruisers

asked when the four cruisers of the "Dartmouth" class were ordered, and what was the contract date for completion; what were the actual dates of commissioning; and how many vessels of the class have been taken in hand for the remedying of defects since being commissioned?

submitted the following information:—

Name.When Ordered.Contract Date for Completion.Date of Commissioning.Period in Dockyard Hands.
"Dartmouth"13-12-0913-9-1124-10-119-11-11 to 4-1-12
"Falmouth"14-12-0914-9-115-9-1130-12-11 to 8-3-12
"Weymouth"11-12-0911-9-1131-10-116-12-11 to 12-12-11
"Yarmouth"13-12-0913-9-11Not yet Commissioned.Not yet delivered by Contractors.

Foreign Shipbuilding Programmes

asked the First Lord of the Admiralty what new or special programmes of shipbuilding have been proposed or adopted by the principal naval Powers since the publication of the British Navy Estimates for 1911–12?

Germany.

1911–12 programme (adopted):—

3battleships.
1large cruiser.
2small cruisers.
12destroyers.

And £733,855 was voted for submarines.

1912–13 programme (proposed according to the existing Navy Law):—

1battleship.
1large cruiser.
2small cruisers.
12destroyers.
1salvage ship for submarines.

And £733,855 for submarines.

Italy.

There is no official information as to any programme having been proposed or adopted beyond two new battleships having been ordered.

Austria-Hungary.

On 10th March, 1911, the following programme of new construction was approved:—

4battleships (of 20,000 tons).
3cruisers (of 3,500 tons).
6destroyers (of 800 tons).
12High-sea torpedo boats.
6submarines.

France.

Adopted in February, 1912, a Navy Law prescribing that the composition of the Fleet in January, 1920, shall be:—

Main fleet28battleships.
10scours.
52destroyers.
Foreign stations10vessels.
Submarine defences94submarines.
4mine layera.
(Mine sweepers as necessary.)

An annexe to the Law contains the following building programme for ships above 1,000 tons displacement:—

Battleships.Scouts.
*19102
*19112
19123
19132
19142
19154
1916
191722
1918
19192

*Provision for these was made by special legislation.

Russia.

In June, 1911, the following new construction was approved for the Black Sea:—

3 battleships.6 submarines.
9 destroyers.

United States of America.

Approved for financial year ending 30th June, 1912:—

2 battleships.1 river gunboat.
8 destroyers.1 submarine tender.
4 submarines.2 colliers.

Proposed for 1912–13:—

2 battleships.2 colliers.

Ships Launched (Great Britain And Germany)

asked the First Lord of the Admiralty what percentage of the completed battleships, armoured and battle-cruisers, smaller cruisers, and destroyers in the British and German navies, respectively, were launched subsequent to the year 1904?

supplemented his oral answer by the following details:—

No. completed.No. launched subsequent to 1904.Percentage.
Great Britain.
Battleships551629
Armoured and Battle Cruisers381129
Protected Cruisers70811
Unarmoured Cruisers55100
Destroyers1716840
Germany.
Battleships291137
Armoured and Battle Cruisers11545
Protected Cruisers371232
Unarmoured Cruisers6
Destroyers1097165

Royal Military College, Sandhurst

asked the Under-Secretary of State for War if he will state the number of candidates who were originally declared successful at the last competitive examination for admission to the Royal Military College, Sandhurst; how many additional names were subsequently admitted; what number and percentage failed to pass the medical examination; and how many of these passed on re-examination?

The information is as follows:—One hundred and six candidates were originally declared successful; 61 additional cadetships were subsequently allotted to competitors; 24 candidates (12.3 per cent, of all those examined) failed to reach the ordinary medical standard, but ten of these were subsequently admitted on the recommendation of the appeal board.

Tidworth Camp (Medical Attendance)

asked the Under-Secretary of State for War whether arrangements have yet been made for medical attendance on officers and their families who are compelled, owing to insufficient accommodation at Tidworth, to reside at Salisbury or Andover; and, if not, whether orders can be issued for payment of bills incurred through illness of such officers or their families?

I regret that I have not yet found it practicable to move in the direction suggested.

State-Controlled Industries (Prussia, Saxony, And Bavaria)

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer if he will state what proportions of the national revenues of Prussia, Saxony, and Bavaria respectively are derived from State-controlled industries; and what additions to the Income Taxes of these States would be needed to yield the amount of these revenues from nationalisation?

The following figures, extracted from the "Statistisches Jahrbuch für das deutsche Reich," give the official German estimates for the financial year beginning in 1910. Under "Industrial Enterprises" are included railways, woods, forests, and other domains, mines, etc.:—

State.Gross Revenue from all Sources.Gross Revenue from Industrial Enterprises.Net Revenue* from all Sources.Net Revenue from Industrial Enterprises.†
Total.Proportion to net Revenue from all Sources.
Million £s.Million £s.Million £s.Million £s.Per cent.
Prussia172.3127.275.928.036.9
Bavaria31.021.415.06.040.0
Saxony19.413.47.92.734.2
* These figures are obtained by deducting from the Gross Revenue in each case (a) that part of the yield or the State enterprises, which appears to cover the working expenses, and (b) the part of the Gross Revenue which is paid over to the Imperial Exchequer.
† No allowance has been made for debt charges, or (in the case of the railways,) for pension charges; or for expenditure in other branches of administration which are properly chargeable against the yield of the enterprises.
The total debt charges of the States were:—

Million £s.
Prussia19.2
Bavaria4.1
Saxony2.0
It is not possible to state how much of the charge in each case has been incurred in respect of industrial enterprises; it would, however, appear that much the larger part has been so incurred. The surplus of net revenue from industrial enterprises over debt charge thus amounted in the case of Prussia to 8.8 million £s., or 56 per cent, of the yield of the Income Tax in that State (15.8 million £s.); and in the case of Saxony to 0.7 million £s., or 23 per cent, of the yield of the Income Tax (3.0 million £s.) Until the commencement of the current financial year no general Income Tax was in force in Bavaria, and official information as to the yield of the new tax is not yet available. It cannot, however, be assumed that these proportions correctly indicate the actual profit to the States (over and above debt charge) of these State controlled industries. The German Government expressly state that the net revenue does not correspond with what would be deemed profit in a commercial enterprise, and that several charges "which would be borne directly by private undertakings are included in the expenditure of the general administration and appear in other parts of the Budget, so that it is impossible to separate entirely the accounts of the States industrial enterprises from those of the general administration."

South African War (Auxiliary Forces)

asked the Under-Secretary of State for War how many men serving in the auxiliary forces volunteered for service in South Africa during the war, and what proportion the number bore to the average strength during the years 1899 to 1902; how many men came forward, apart from recruits for the Regular Army, who had had no military training; and what proportion they bore to the men in the country of the ages required by the War Office?

There are no records at the War Office showing the numbers of Militia, Yeomanry, or Volunteers who volunteered for service beyond the United Kingdom during the South African war. The numbers who volunteered were, of course, greatly in excess of those whose services were accepted. The numbers that left the country and the average strength of these forces were as follows:—

Numbers leaving the Country.Average Strength.
Militia45,56696,674
Yeomanry2,78910,986
Volunteers26,065263,419
As regards the second part of the question, no statistics are available.

Army Mobilisation

asked the Secretary of State for War whether on mobilisation for war the different regiments of Infantry at home are to include 70 per cent, of Reservists; and whether, if that is the case, he will take the opinions of leading generals on the subject, seeing that many of them openly state that any number approaching 70 per cent. would be dangerous?

It is not considered expedient to make public details of mobilisation arrangements.

Reserve Of Officers

asked the Under-Secretary of State for War whether the Expeditionary Force is mobilized; whether any part of the shortage of officers for that force will be made good by taking Regular officers from the Territorial Force; and, if so, how many Regular officers it is proposed to take from the Territorial Force?

There is no present intention of taking any Regular officers from the Territorial Force to fill up vacancies in the Expeditionary Force, and, as I have already explained, if any individual officers should by any possibility be required, arrangements would be made for their immediate replacement.

asked to which arms of the Service, respectively, the 231 captains and 113 subalterns serving in the Reserve of officers who are resident in the United Kingdom and available for foreign service, and who are not serving in the Special Reserve, Yeomanry, or Territorial Force, belong?

The figures given for subalterns on the 11th March should be 72 instead of 113. The detailed figures required are as follows:—

Captains.Subalterns.
Cavalry2012
Royal Field Artillery447
Royal Garrison Artillery1813
Royal Engineers9
Infantry12938
Army Service Corps31
Royal Army Medical Corps61
Army Veterinary Corps2
23172

Field Howitzer Brigades

asked the Under-Secretary of State for War whether the Royal Field Artillery in the first and second divisions at Aldershot have been supplied with the telescopic dial sights for the 18-pounder quick-firing guns?

The reply is in the negative. All the Field Howitzer Brigades have been completed and the issues to the rest of the Field Artillery will be made as rapidly as supplies can be obtained.

Colliery Accidents

asked the Home Secretary how many workmen were killed or injured in the coal mines of the United Kingdom during each of the past ten years?

The figures are as follows:—

Year.Number of Persons Killed.Number of Persons Injured as Reported to the Inspectors under Sec. 35(1) ii. of the Coal Mines Regulation Act 1887.Number of Persons Injured and Disabled for more than 7 days.
19021,0243,745
19031,0723,822
19041,0553,754
19051,1593,646
19061,1423,839
19071,2455,892
19081,3085,860141,851
19101,4535,859153,306
19101,7755,737159,042
19111,259(Not yet available.)
The figures in the third column were obtained for the first time in 1908 under the provisions of the Notice of Accidents Act, 1906, and cannot be given for the preceding years.

Coal Strike

Coal Output (Germany)

asked the President of the Board of Trade, what proportion of the coal output of the German Empire is now that of nationalised mines or of mines in which any of the German States have a share interest?

The total output of ordinary coal in Germany in 1910 was 152,828,000 tons, and of this the State-owned mines contributed 20,834,000 tons, or about 13.6 per cent. The lignite mines had an output of 69,547,000 tons, but the quantity produced by State mines cannot be stated. No information can be given as to the mines in which the German States have a share interest only.

Foreign Coal (Royalties In France And Germany)

asked the President of the Board of Trade if he will state the amount of royalty paid on coal in France and Germany per ton of output?

The figures asked for by my hon. Friend are not at present available, but I shall be glad to make inquiries and forward to him such information as I can obtain.

Royal Parks (Workmen's Wages)

asked the hon. Member for St. George's-in-the-East, as representing the First Commissioner of Works, whether the application for an increase of wages made four months ago by the employés at Hampton Court and Richmond and Bushey Parks has been replied to; and, if so, what is the nature of the reply?

No, Sir. The matter has, however, been fully inquired into by the Department, and is now before the Treasury on a recommendation for an increase in the wages of the men concerned.

Additional Fee Grant (Scotland)

asked the Secretary for Scotland what steps he proposes to take in view of the shortage in the amount available for the additional fee Grant under Section 17 (11) of the Education (Scotland) Act of 1908, which took the place of the additional Aid Grant; and if he can hold out any prospect of an early remedy, seeing that at a time when school boards are being pressed to meet the new requirements of the Act this shortage means a serious addition to their local rates?

The representations of the Department in favour of a further addition to the General Aid Grant have not been acceded to by the Treasury, and I am not able to hold out any prospect of a further Grant.