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Volume 54: debated on Thursday 26 June 1913

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Written Answers

National Insurance Act

Previous Employment

asked the Secretary to the Treasury whether a person who has been employed within the meaning of the Act before 15th July, 1913, and in respect of whom no employer has paid any contribution, will be considered as one not having been previously insured under Section 9 (4) of the Act, even though stamps may be affixed in payment of the said contribution at a date subsequent to 15th July, 1913?

Fishermen's Claims

asked the Secretary to the Treasury whether, to be able to claim exemption from contributions under the Insurance Act, a fisherman must have a share in the boat and gear as well as in the catch?

Special orders excepting share fishermen from compulsory insurance have only been granted in the case of ports where the conditions of employment approximated to co-partner-ship, but they have not been limited to cases where the men were part-owners of the boats.

Customs And Excise (Statistical Office)

asked the Secretary to the Treasury the number of supervising assistant clerks in the Statistical Office, Customs and Excise; the duties which are assigned to the grade; how many clerks of that grade are performing supervisory duties; if any of them were performing the same duties prior to promotion to supervising assistant clerk; what was then the official designation of these clerks; and what are the qualifications required by assistant clerks for checking allowances, supervising assistant clerkship, and second division clerkships?

The answer to the first part of the question is twenty-two; to the second, to aid in the supervision and discipline of the office, and to perform work superior to that of the assistant clerks with checking allowances; to the third, all, regularly or on occasion; to the fourth, none of the existing supervising assistant clerks who were promoted to that position from the position of assistant clerk were before their promotion performing the full duties assigned to the grade of supervising assistant clerk, consequently, the fifth part does not arise. The three classes mentioned in the concluding part of the question are quite distinct from each other, and require varying degrees of intelligence and capacity.

asked the Secretary to the Treasury whether, in view of the fact that no further special increments can at present be granted in the Statistical Office, he will state what is the proportion of £10 special increments granted to assistant clerks in various offices, and on what authority such a proportion is fixed?

In fixing the number of special increments to be allotted, the Treasury has regard to the degree of special merit certified by the heads of the departments in which the assistant clerks recommended serve, and to the total number of such clerks qualified by service to receive a special increment. In so far as conditions admit, it is the practice to distribute the increments equitably over the service as a whole.

Income Tax (Travelling Expenses)

asked the Secretary to the Treasury whether the decisions given by the High Court as regards admissible deductions under Section 57 of the Income Tax Act, 1853, have been entirely in cases where directors have claimed their expenses of travelling to attend board or other meetings of a company at its registered office; whether in the case of a person who has to carry out the duties of an office at two places the Inland Revenue authorities can arbitrarily decide at which of such two places such person shall reside; and, if so, under what Statute or legal decision?

The answer to the first part of the question is in the negative. The Inland Revenue authorities have no power to decide where any taxpayer shall reside. In the case of a person who has to carry out the duties of an office in two places, it rests with the District Commissioners of Taxes to decide what amount of travelling expenses is necessarily incurred in the performance of the duties.

Inland Revenue (Appointments)

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer if he will give the following particulars with regard to the officers who have recently been appointed as Commissioner of Inland Revenue, secretary and assistant-secretary of Inland Revenue, and committee clerks in that Department: University, age, date of entry to the service, average annual increase of salary since entering the service, and present salary?

The particulars asked for are as follows:—

——University.Age.Date of Entry to the Service.Average Annual Increase of Salary since entering the Service.Present Salary.
£s.d.£
Commissioner of Inland RevenueOxford3324th Oct., 19031161341,200
SecretaryOxford4015th Mar., 1897651261,200
Assistant SecretaryCambridge3316th Oct., 19027000850
Committee Clerks—No. 1Oxpord3124th Feb., 19066458600
Committee Clerks—No. 2Oxford3013th Nov., 19067500600

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer whether he will give the following information with regard to the clerks who are now acting as private secretaries to the Chairman and Deputy-Chairman of Inland Revenue, respectively: University, age, length of service, amount of special allowance, if any, total salary, including the amount of any such allowance; and how many years a second division clerk, entering the Civil Service at the age of eighteen and proceeding by regular increments, must serve before he attains the salary of £270 per annum?

The clerk who is now acting as private secretary to the Chairman of Inland Revenue was at Oxford University; his age is twenty-five; he has had rather more than one year's service; he is in receipt of a special allowance of £100 per annum; his total salary, including the allowance, is £320. The clerk who is now acting as private secretary to the Deputy-Chairman was at Oxford and London Universities; his age is twenty-four; he has had rater more than one year's service; he is in receipt of a special allowance of £50 per annum; his total salary, including the allowance, is £270. A second division clerk entering the Civil Service at the age of eighteen, and proceeding by regular increments, i.e., if he does not obtain promotion nor any special advance of salary, must serve twenty-two years before attaining the salary of 270 per annum.

Cadet Corps (Ireland)

asked the Chief Secretary whether corps of boy scouts, boys' brigades, Church lads' brigades, and cadet corps have now been prohibited by the Irish Government from becoming affiliated to the National Rifle Association; and, if so, what is the reason for this decision?

In the opinion of the Irish Government it is undesirable in Ireland, where no County Associations exist under the Territorial system, that boys should be entrusted with serviceable rifles and ammunition, and it has therefore been arranged with the military authorities that facilities for the obtaining of such arms and ammunition through affiliation to the National Rifle Association shall not be afforded. An exception is made in regard to cadet corps at military centres when the military authorities undertake the custody of the arms.

Royal Navy

Home Fleet (Kingstown)

asked the Chief Secretary for Ireland (1) whether the Lord Lieutenant intimated to the Lord Mayor of Dublin the intention of the Home Fleet to visit Kingstown; and, if so, what answer was returned by the Lord Mayor to the Lord Lieutenant's communication; and (2) upon what date the Lord Lieutenant received the official information of the visit of the Home Fleet to Kingstown; and upon what date the information was conveyed from the Lord Lieutenant to the Kingstown Urban Council?

I would refer the hon. Member to my reply to the oral questions addressed to me on this subject to-day by the hon. Member for North Antrim and others.

Haslar Hospital (Medical Mess Domestics)

asked the Secretary to the Admiralty what are the hours of duty worked by the medical mess domestics employed at the Haslar Hospital, and the rate of wage paid them?

The hours of duty are a maximum of sixty-one per week, exclusive of public holidays. The rate of public pay is 23s. a week for seven days a week.

Portsmouth Dockyard (Drillers And Riveters)

asked the Secretary to the Admiralty how many drillers and riveters were entered at Portsmouth dockyard through the Labour Exchange during the week ending 21st June; and what are the rates of wages paid them?

Thirty-two skilled labourers were entered for work as drillers and riveters. These men have been paid at the rate of 23s., the probationary rate for skilled labourers. It is within the competence of the local officers to increase that rate as soon as they are satisfied as to the efficiency of the men concerned.

Hms "Enchantress"

asked the First Lord of the Admiralty if he will furnish a Report of the movements of His Majesty's ship "Enchantress" from 1st December, 1912, to the present date, showing in order and with dates the ports which this vessel has visited during that period; if he will state the number of miles which the ship has travelled since that date and the number of tons of coal consumed, and what has been the cost of the coal; and if he will state the numbers of officers and men, respectively, serving on the vessel, and what expenditure has been incurred in connection with the movements of the vessel since 1st December, 1912?

For the sake of completeness the answer has been made to cover the whole period since the present First Lord took office. Since 31st October, 1911, the "Enchantress" has covered 19,705 miles and consumed 4,900 tons of coal. This includes two visits to the Mediterranean for the official inspection of the naval establishments at Malta (1912 and 1913), and Gibraltar (1912). The list of ports visited is attached. Since 31st October, 1911, the First Lord has spent 182 days afloat, and in addition to the Mediterranean cruises has visited nearly every port in the British Isles that is either a naval port or naval base or is connected with naval interests (i.e., private docks, private shipbuilding yards, etc.). With a few exceptions every naval establishment in the British Isles and the Mediterranean has been inspected by the First Lord, with or without other members of the Board. Apart from the regular Board inspections of naval bases, all of which have been carried out, the First Lord has during this time personally visited or inspected between sixty and seventy battleships and cruisers—many of them on several occasions—besides ninny visits to the destroyer and submarine flotillas, and has been present at day and night exercises of the Fleet on between thirty and forty occasions. The complement of the "Enchantress" is ten officers and 186 men, all of whom are required for the needs of the War Fleet, and either hold war appointments or are told off to ships of the War Fleet. As to the question of cost, there is nothing to add to the replies that have been given from time to time in this House beyond saying that the cost of entertaining unofficial guests is borne by the First Lord, in accordance with long-established precedent, and that no part of it falls upon public funds. The original cost of the "Enchantress," which was built by Lord Selborne's direction in 1903 and completed in 1904, was £131,000. The depreciation upon this capital sum is computed at £6,500 a year, and would continue whether the vessel were employed or not.LIST of all Ports visited by His Majesty's ship "Enchantress" since the present First Lord of the Admiralty came into Office.

Date ate of Arrival.Place.Date of Departure.
1911.1911.
Portsmouth31 October
31 OctoberDevonport3 November
4 NovemberPortsmouth4 November
4 NovemberSpithead5 November
5 NovemberCowes6 November
6 NovemberPortsmouth12 November
12 NovemberPortland13 November
13 NovemberPortsmouth16 November
17 NovemberDevonport20 November
21 NovemberPortsmouth14 Jan., 1912
1912.1912.
15 JanuaryChatham19 January
20 JanuaryPortsmouth17 February
17 February.Portland19 February
20 FebruaryPortsmouth23 March
23 MarchPortland27 March
27 MarchPortsmouth4 April
4 AprilPort land7 April
7 AprilTorbay8 April
8 AprilDevonport9 April
9 AprilPortsmouth20 April
20 AprilDover22 April
22 AprilPortsmouth6 May
6 MayPortland13 May
16 MayGibraltar18 May
21 MayGenoa22 May
23 MayElba23 May
24 MayNaples26 May
26 MayAgropoli26 May
27 MaySyracuse28 May
29 MayMalta1 June
2 JuneBizerta3 June
6 JuneGibraltar6 June
10 NovemberPortsmouth29 June
30 JunePenzance30 June
1 JulyQueenstown3 July
3 JulyPembroke3 July
4 JulyPortsmouth7 July
8 JulyPortland8 July
9 JulyPortsmouth23 July
23 JulyPortland24 July
24 JulyTorquay25 July
25 JulyPortland26 July
26 JulyPortsmouth27 July
27 JulyCowes31 July
31 JulyNetley2 August
2 AugustPortsmouth5 August
5 AugustCowes & Spithead5 August
5 AugustPortsmouth16 August
17 AugustChatham21 August
21 AugustSheerness22 August

Date of Arrival.Place.Date of Departure.
22 AugustHarwich23 August
23 AugustYarmouth Roads24 August
24 AugustCromer24 August
25 AugustImmingham26 August
26 AugustGrimsby27 August
28 AugustRiver Tyne28 August
29 AugustSouth Queensferry30 August
30 AugustGranton30 August
30 AugustDundee31 August
1 Septemb'rCromarty5 Septemb'r
5 Septemb'rAberdeen5 Septemb'r
6 Septemb'rInvergordon9 Septemb'r
10 Septemb'rGreenock14 Septemb'r
14 Septemb'rLoch Long14 Septemb'r
14 Septemb'rLamlash17 Septemb'r
17 Septemb'rColonsay20 Septemb'r
21 Septemb'rOban23 Septemb'r
23 Septemb'rDonna B.Mull23 Septemb'r
24 Septemb'rGreenock24 Septemb'r
25 AugustBarrow-in-Furness26 Septemb'r
27 Septemb'rBirkenhead27 Septemb'r
28 Septemb'rHolyhead29 Septemb'r
30 Septemb'rDevonport1 October
1 OctoberDartmouth1 Ocobter
2 OcotberPortsmouth23 October
24 OctoberPlymouth24 October
24 OctoberPortland27 Ocotber
27 OctoberPortsmouth16 November
17 NovemberPortland17 November
18 NovemberPortsmouth1 December
1 DecemberPortland3 December
4 DecemberPortsmouth27 Jan., 1913
1913.1913.
27 JanuaryDover27 January
28 DecemberFirth of Forth29 January
29 JanuaryDundee31 January
1 February.South Queensferry1 February
3 FebruaryChatham3 February
4 februaryPortsmouth15March
15 MarchHamble River15 March
15 MarchSpithead16 March.
16 MarchPortsmouth2 April
3 AprilDevonport4 April
5 AprilPortsmouth6 April
7 AprilChatham9 April
10 AprilPortsmouth24 April
27 AprilGibraltar1 May
4 MayMalta7 May
9 MayVenice11 May
12 MaySpalato12May
13MayRagusa14 May
14 MayCattaro14 May
15 MayValona Bay16 May
16 MayCorfu16 May
17 MayCorinth18 May
18 MayPiræus18 May
19 MayArgostoli19 May
20 MayTaormina20 May
20 MaySyracuse22 May
22 MayMalta25 May
25 MayGirghent25 May
26 MayPalermo27 May
28 MayAranci Bay29 May
29 MayAjaccio29 May
30 MayHyeres30 May
30 MayMarseilles30 May
1 JuneGibraltar4 June
8 JunePortsmouth

Royal Fleet Reserve

asked the First Lord of the Admiralty whether he is aware that men attached to the Royal Fleet Reserve, and who annually travel from their place of residence at Derby to Plymouth for the purpose of training, have in the past been allowed their travelling expenses, but by a recent order these men, who, happen to be employed by a railway company and thereby entitled to an annual free pass and privilege ticket, which privilege has been accepted by all independent arbitrators, 'when considering applications from the men for improved conditions of service, as part of their weekly wages, are now denied the equivalent money value of such privilege tickets; whether he will take steps to immediately prevent his Department from taking advantage of these men, who are anxious to serve their country, because they are railway employés by immediately cancelling the order which deprives them of their rights; and will he make his decision retrospective and thereby do what every ordinary employer of labour would recognise as just and equitable?

The Admiralty is precluded under its regulations from making repayment on account of a railway journey such as that indicated in the question, unless the applicant can produce a certificate that the expenditure has been actually incurred. In this case no such expenditure has been made, and, therefore, the Admiralty cannot make repayment. I would suggest that the persons concerned might in future retain their privilege tickets for use on private occasions, and take ordinary tickets when proceeding to Plymouth on service, the cost of which would be refunded by the Admiralty. As the question seems to indicate some recent change in practice, I should like to add that this is not the case, the Admiralty practice always having been as I have stated.

Military Law (Manual)

asked the Secretary of State for War whether it is intended to issue a new edition of the "Manual of Military Law"; and whether he is aware that a great many erasures, amendments and additions have been made since the last edition?

A new manual is now in course of preparation, and every effort will be made to expedite the issue.

Small Holdings Act

asked the President of the Board of Agriculture, what portion of the sum of £41,200, expended by the Board during the last five years in the administration of the Small Holdings Act, 1908, represents expenses incurred by county councils and repaid by the Board; what is the nature of these expenses; what is the present number of the Board's small holdings staff; and how many of them devote part of their time to any and, if any, what other duties?

The average annual amount repaid to county councils during the last five years is £26,800. This sum represents expenses incurred by councils in relation to the acquisition of land, including valuations of land, conveyancing expenses, cost of compulsory proceedings, staff and office expenses, registration of title and payments for compensation under the Small Holdings Act, 1910, and also the repayment of one-half of the expenses incurred in ascertaining the demand for small holdings. The Board's small holdings staff numbers twenty-three, of whom eight devote part of their time to other ditties, namely, the administration of the Lands Improvement Acts, the Universities and College Estates Acts, the Glebe Lands Act, the Settled Land Act, the Agricultural Holdings Act, and the Light Railways Act, and also the schemes for the improvement of live stock.

Shipping Ring Disputes

asked the President of the Board of Trade (1) in what cases have the services of the Board of Trade been requisitioned for the settlement of disputes as contemplated by the Royal Commission on Shipping Rings; and (2) what associations of merchants have been registered to date, in accordance with the recommendation of the Report of the Royal Commission on Shipping Rings, made in 1909?

Although isolated complaints have been made to the Board of Trade as to rates charged by shipping conference lines, no requisition has been made for the services of the Board in the settlement of any dispute of a general character between merchants and conference lines. No associations of merchants have been registered by the Board of Trade for the purposes contemplated by the Royal Commission on Shipping Rings.

Telephone Service

asked the Postmaster-General whether his attention has been called to the publicly expressed complaint of Mr. H. J. Webb in regard to the changes in his telephone number; and whether he proposes to take any steps in the matter?

My attention has been drawn to a letter from Mr. H. J. Webb, which appeared recently in several newspapers. In it he complained that his telephone numbers were to be altered for the fourth time, at the same premises and under the same management. The fact is that no change whatever has been made by the Post Office in this subscriber's numbers prior to the present time, when it is proposed to combine his two lines on the Holborn Exchange and one on the Central Exchange under a single number. This arrangement will improve the subscriber's service, because each line will be available for inward calls when the others are engaged without the necessity for the calling subscriber asking for another number. Four years ago the National Telephone Company made a similar change for a similar reason with respect to the two lines which Mr. Webb then rented. This complaint is typical of many which appear in the columns of the Press.

Accountant-General's Department, General Post Office

asked the Postmaster-General whether the consent of the Treasury has been received to the creation of the sixty or seventy minor staff posts for second division clerks in the Accountant-General's Department of the General Post Office, as mentioned by Sir Alexander King in his evidence before the Royal Commission on the Civil Service?

Parcel Post To Australia (Friern Barnet District)

asked the Postmaster-General whether he is aware that persons desiring to send by post parcels upon which the duty has been prepaid to Australia from the Friern Barnet district are obliged to hand them in at the Finsbury Park office, that being the nearest post office for this purpose; and whether he will consider the advisability of making improved arrangements for this class of work in the locality concerned?

The arrangement under which the senders of parcels to Australia and many other places abroad can undertake the payment of the Customs Duty chargeable upon them is, as a rule, confined to head or branch post offices. I find that there are not many facilities for posting duty prepaid parcels in the Friern Barnet locality, and I am considering the extension of the arrangement to certain post offices in the neighbourhood.

Metropolitan Water Board

asked the President of the Local Government Board whether the Metropolitan Water Board are seeking powers in this Session of Parliament in connection with the levy of a deficiency rate under Section 15 of the Metropolis Water Act, 1902; whether his attention has been drawn to a Report of the Finance Committee of the Board of 2nd March, 1912, expressing the strong opinion that the machinery of the Act is cumbersome and involved, and that the exclusion of so large an assessable value as £2,000,000 from liability to contribute to the precept is fraught with serious injustice to the remainder of the area; whether the powers now sought, if granted, will remove these objections; and whether he will have a Return prepared showing the rateable value of each district within the water area (arranged in the order of the Return, No. 374, of Session 1902), together with the rateable value upon which the Water Board propose to base the precepts for deficiency rate?

The answer to the first two parts of the question is in the affirmative. As regards the third part of the question, the Bill which is now before Parliament does not propose to alter the incidence of the charge which was fixed by the Metropolis Water Act, 1902. I understand that the Metropolitan Water Board are preparing a statement giving the information desired.

Vaccination (Henley-On-Thames Union)

asked the President of the Local Government Board whether the recent grant of salaries in lieu of payment by fees to the vaccination officers of the Henley-on-Thames Union, amounting to £55 per annum, will continue in the event of vaccination decreasing to a small percentage of births annually, or ceasing altogether, and leaving nothing beyond a small amount of clerical work for the officers to discharge; and how he would propose to relieve the ratepayers from the burden of the quasi sinecures thus created?

The Order authorising the payment of salaries, amounting to £56 in all, to the three vaccination officers of the Henley Union, continues in force until the Local Government Board otherwise direct, and the salaries are to be the sums named in the Order, or such other sums as the Board may from time to time approve.

Old Age Pensions

asked the President of the Local Government Board whether, for purposes of obtaining a certificate of birth when applying for an old age pension, he will consider the advisability of reducing the cost from 3s. 6d. to 6d., the amount required for a certificate under the National Insurance Act?

Arrangements have been made with a view to saving claimants for old age pensions from the expense of obtaining certificates of their birth. Under these arrangements, in the case of any claimant whose birth was registered in England or Wales since 1st July, 1837, if the year and place of birth can be given, the pension officer may apply to the Registrar-General, with the object of verifying these particulars, if possible, without expense to the claimant. I may add that any alteration in the fees at present payable for certificates would necessitate legislation.