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Written Answers

Volume 55: debated on Monday 21 July 1913

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Written Answers

Civil Service (Royal Commission)

asked the Secretary to the Treasury the total number of witnesses who have given oral evidence before the Royal Commission on the Civil Service, specifying the number who were heads of Departments or their representatives; other officers of the higher division of the Home Civil Service; representatives of universities or officials connected therewith; representatives of general associations of Civil servants; representatives of the clerical staffs of the respective Government Departments; and persons representative of business or commercial undertakings?

The total number of witnesses who have given oral evidence before the Royal Commission on the Civil Service is 193. This number includes heads of Departments, sixty-four; officers of the higher division of the Home Civil Service, two; representatives of universities or officials connected therewith, twenty-six; representatives of general associations of Civil Servants, twenty-one {representing ten associations); representatives of the clerical staffs of the respective Government Departments, forty-one; persons representative of business or commercial undertakings, six. The total 193 includes also other educational witnesses {fourteen), technical and professional classes in the Civil Service (eleven), associations not connected with the Civil Service (six), miscellaneous (two).

Customs And Inland Revenue (Statistical Office)

asked the Secretary to the Treasury how many new class assistant clerks in the Customs Statistical Office have been promoted to superior posts outside the office since 1907; how many vacancies for junior clerkships have arisen in the Statistical Office in that period; and how many of these vacancies have been filled by men outside the office who have been promoted from assistant clerks and were promised a prospect of reverting to the Statistical Office as junior clerks?

The answer to the first part of the question is twenty-one; to the second, three; to the third, none.

Development And Road Improvement Funds Act

asked the Secretary to the Treasury whether the Development Commissioners and the Road Board, or either of them, have under Section 2 (3) of the Development and Road Improvement Funds Act., 1910, made, a, scheme providing for the superannuation or other allowances or gratuities for their employés; and whether any such allowances or gratuities have as yet been paid out of the Development Fund or the Road Improvement Fund under any such scheme?

Both the Development Commissioners and the Road Board have made superannuation schemes. Nothing has yet been paid under them.

Surveyors Of Taxes

asked the Secretary to the Treasury whether the services of clerks to surveyors of taxes count, for the purposes of pension, from the date of their first appointment or from the date when they are placed upon the established list?

The service of an established clerk to surveyors of taxes counts for pension from the date of his appointment to the establishment. In addition half any previous service as an unestablished surveyors' clerk in the direct employment of the Board of Inland Revenue is counted, if the two periods of service are continuous.

Land Purchase (Ireland)

asked the Chief Secretary for Ireland the present state of the negotiations for the purchase of the following estates in the barony of Erris, J. P. Brabazon, Messrs. W. H. M. Kirk-county Mayo, by the Congestel Districts Board, namely, the estates of General wood, Penis Bingham, H. H. S. Bingham, E. C. Walshe, and John O'Donnell, also Mrs. Atkinson and Mary Moran; if he is aware that the documents in relation to these estates have been lodged with the Congested Districts Board for periods varying from six months to two years; that they have been valued by the Board's officers for corresponding periods; that in May, 1912, an intimation was received from the Board that offers would be made for nearly all these estates by September, 1912; that by reason of the congestion, isolation, and poverty of this barony the tenants naturally and justifiably assumed that they would be amongst the earliest to be dealt with by the Board, and that they are correspondingly depressed by the neglect shown them; will he state the cause of the Board's inaction; and will he now undertake, as President of the Board, to push forward to completion the purchase of these and other estates in Erris now on offer to the Board?

Offers have been issued by the Congested Districts Board and accepted by the vendors for the following estates:—General Sir J. P. Brabazon, John O'Donnell, and Mrs. Moran. The Board issued an offer for the estate of W. H. M. Kirkwood, which was not accepted. Offers will shortly be issued for the estate of E. C. Walshe and W. H. S. Bingham. In the case of the Denis Bingham estate complete documents were not lodged with the Board until December last, and the necessary documents in regard to Mrs. Atkinson's estate were only lodged in March of this year. These two estates were valued in May, and the Board hope to issue offers shortly. With the exception of the two last-named estates, the statement in the question regarding the lodgment of documents and valuation of the estates is correct, and an intimation in the terms mentioned was sent to the hon. Member in May, 1912. The estates referred to have been or will be dealt with as soon as practicable, having regard to the number of other estates which have been offered for sale.

asked the Chief Secretary how much of the land under Classification 4 in Command Paper, NO. 6,930, entitled Lands in respect of which proceedings for sale have not been instituted under the Land Purchase Acts, can or may be sold to the tenants?

I would refer the hon. Member to the concluding paragraph of the introductory memorandum to the Paper referred to in the question.

Bray Convent School

asked how many of the lay assistants in Bray Convent national school received three months' notice in the years ending 30th June, 1912, and 30th June, 1913, respectively; how many of those so dismissed have been reappointed, with the dates of dismissal and reappointment in each case; whether, notwithstanding the fact that assistants so dismissed and reappointed receive no salary during the period between the expiry of the notice and the date of reappointment, the Board make Grants for the whole year; if so, whether this practice obtains in the case of any other convent national schools; and whether any inquiry into the circumstances has been, or will be, held by the Commissioners of National Education?

The Commissioners of National Education inform me that three lay assistants left St. Patrick's Convent, Bray, in the year ended 30th June, 1912, and two in the year ended 30th June, 1913, and that none of them appear to have been reappointed. The Commissioners do not interfere with the discretion of the conductors of convent schools as regards the employment or dismissal of lay assistant teachers. The Grants are paid in full in all convent schools so long as the Commissioners are satisfied that the staff is sufficient. The Commissioners do not see any necessity for the inquiry suggested.

Old Age Pensions

asked the Chief Secretary on what gronds Owen Crampsey. Ballyhillion, Malin Head, county Donegal (Register 981), has been refused an old age pension of 5s. per week; and whether he will take steps to have granted to this claimant the full pension to which he is entitled, and which the committee, who fully understand the circumstances, have granted?

Owen Crampsey's claim for an old age pension has been twice before the Local Government Board on appeal, and on each occasion was disallowed on the ground that they were not satisfied that his means were less than £31 10s. a year. He owns a well tilled farm of fourteen acres which carried four head of cattle and a horse, in addition to pigs and fowl. He also receives monetary assistance from his children.

Coastguard (Pay)

asked the First Lord of the Admiralty whether the coastguards have received no increase of pay for the last 50 or 60 years; if so, whether the matter has been considered, and is there any prospect of an increase being granted; whether arrangements can be made to pay these men weekly instead of monthly; whether the cost of their clothing has recently been increased by from 10 to 20 per cent. without a corresponding increase of pay; and whether he will give consideration to the case of these men with a view to placing them on an equality with men afloat?

As regards the first part of the question, I would refer my hon Friend to the previous replies which have been given on this subject. I may, perhaps, remind him that the work of the coastguard is not so arduous as that of the men serving afloat, and furthermore, that they are provided with quarters for themselves and their families, usually with small gardens as well. I have given consideration to the proposal to pay the coastguard weekly, but in the absence of any generally expressed desire for weekly payment, I do not think that the labour and expense involved would be justified. With regard to the last part of the question, I have nothing to add to the remarks which I made in the course of the debate on the 25th June, except to say that the average increase of cost of clothing is not so high as the estimate given by my hon. Friend, and that any variation in the scale of prices equally affects the Service afloat.

Greenwich Hospital Funds

asked the First Lord of the Admiralty how many men there are at the present moment over the age of sixty who are eligible for the 5d. a day augmentation to their pension from the Greenwich Hospital funds; and if he will give a return showing the respective ages of men over sixty years of age who are so qualified?

The precise information asked for could only be ascertained by a very considerable expenditure of time and labour, but the total number of men over the age of sixty at present eligible for the age pension and not in receipt of it may be taken as about 1,300, of whom about 975 are aged sixty to sixty-five; 190, sixty-five to seventy; and 135, seventy and over. As the Noble Lord is aware, all these men are in receipt of naval life pensions, in many cases of fairly substantial amounts, and it may be taken that men of the ages referred to, whose applications for the Greenwich Hospital Age Pension have so far been unsuccessful, are either men in receipt of naval life pensions of fairly substantial amount, or, if their pensions are small, have some other means of subsistence. The circumstances of all applicants for the Greenwich Hospital Age Pension are carefully considered when selecting men for the award.

British Army

South African Field Force Canteen Account

asked the Secretary of State for War whether he will consider if the existence of a considerable profit on the South African Field Force Canteen Account provides a good opportunity for doing something for ex-soldiers, whose earnings have largely contributed to this result; and whether, under the circumstances, he will consider the practicability of dividing the surplus between the National Society for the Employment of Ex-Soldiers and the Union Jack Club or some similar institutions?

Territorial Force

asked the Secretary of State for War if he will give the latest Returns relative to the numbers of officers and men in the Territorial Force; if he will state what were the numbers at the corresponding period last year; what is the increase or decline shown; and if he will say by how many the present numbers fall below the establishment?

The following figures give the information required:—

Officers.N.C.O's and Men.Total.
1st July, 1913—Establishment11,230301,089312.319
1st July, 1913—Strength9,356240,778250,134
1st July, 1912—Strength9,375260,984270,359
Decrease duringlast year1920,20620,225
Present number below establishment1,87460,31162,185

Great Eastern Railway (Colchester Accident)

asked the Secretary of State for War whether his attention has been called to the failure of the Great Eastern Railway Company to manage the ordinary traffic on their line on Saturday, 12th July, owing to an accident outside Colchester; and whether, in view of the disaster which such incapacity would cause in the event of military operations on the East Coast, he will call for a special Report upon the handling of the traffic on the occasion referred to?

I have been asked by my right hon. Friend the Secretary of State for War to reply to this question. The engine of the train concerned in this accident overturned and fell across both running lines. Traffic in both directions had to be worked through a siding, and this necessarily caused a good deal of delay until the lines were cleared. When I have received and considered the Report of the Board of Trade Inquiry which has been ordered into the circumstances attending the accident, I will consider, in consultation with my right hon. Friend, whether any further inquiry is necessary.

South Africa (Garrison Institutes)

asked the Secretary of State for War whether the directors of the South African garrison institutes are officers on full pay on the active list of the Army serving in South Africa; whether the Army Council has decided to raise no objection to these officers opening institutes, with the object of embarking in commercial undertakings, in any garrison towns in this country, provided in each case the general officer commanding-in-chief concurs; how many such branch institutes have been approved; whether it is proposed that the officers acting as directors of the South African institutes shall continue to hold their present appointments or shall be retired from the Army; and, if not, what proportion of their time is to be devoted to Army affairs and what proportion to the management of the branch institutes in this country?

The reply to the first part of the question is in the affirmative. The answer to the second and third parts of the question is that no branches in this country have been approved. The officers concerned devote only their leisure hours to the management of these institutes, which are not commercial undertakings in the generally accepted sense of the term; they receive no payment for these services. No action will be taken until further full consideration has been given to this matter.

Military Accounts Department (India)

asked the Undersecretary of State for India if he can now give any information concerning the discontent among the military officers of the Military Accounts Department in India on account of their salaries and prospects and the proposals of the Government of India for remedying them?

Out of forty-three military officers belonging to the Military Accounts Department in India fourteen have presented memorials to the Government of India regarding their pay and prospects of departmental advancement. Three of these memorialists hold the departmental grade of military accountant, the remaining eleven being assistant military accountants. After a careful consideration of these memorials the Government of India have arrived at the conclusion that the military accountants have no real grounds for discontent, either as regards their salaries or their prospects, but that assistant military accountants are.suffering from an exceptionally slow rate of promotion. The Government of India are considering how this can best be relieved, but have not yet framed a definite scheme.

Trinidad (St Augustine Estate)

asked the Secretary of State for the Colonies whether he has received the Report of the inquiry into the financial condition of the St. Augustine estate, the property of the Trinidad Government; whether the Report showed negligent management; and, if so, what steps he has taken, or intends to take, in the matter?

I have received a dispatch from the Governor reporting that in October last very considerable arrears of rent had been found to be outstanding, that certain payments had not been brought to account, and that the overseer of the estate had been dismissed. The Governor added that he had appointed a committee to consider what steps should be taken to put the management of the estate on a more satisfactory basis. I have not yet received the report of this committee.

Port-Of-Spain

asked the Secretary of State for the Colonies whether his attention has now been drawn to the discussion in the Trinidad Legislative Council on the subject of granting municipal powers to Port-of-Spain, which took place on 25th June; and whether, having directed the council to decide this question, he is now prepared to adopt its decision and direct that steps be taken forthwith to create an elective council in the manner it suggests?

My hon. Friend has sent me a copy of a newspaper containing a report of the debate in question. I propose to await the Governor's recommendations, which he will, no doubt, forward to me with his report on the discussion at an early date.

Mental Deficiency

asked the Secretary for Scotland if he is aware that the Home Secretary has provided in the English Mental Deficiency Bill that the full half of all the expenses incurred in the administration of the Act, including interest on loans, will be paid by the Treasury; and if he will provide in Clause 35 that a similar advantageous provision be obtained for Scotland?

My hon. Friend seems to be under a misapprehension as to the effect of the provision made in the English Bill. I have no reason to suppose that less advantageous provision is made for Scotland than the English Bill provides for England.

Tuberculosis

asked the President of the Local Government Board whether he will submit a list of instances in which permission has been given to sanitary and other authorities to allow their small-pox hospitals to be used as sanatoria for the treatment of consumption?

:I will send my hon. Friend a statement giving the information he desires.

asked the President of the Local Government Board whether any local authorities, and, if so, which, have taken steps to secure the compulsory isolation of tuberculous cases which are in a state of high infectivity; and, if so, whether he will state what action has been taken

In the Session of 1911 the Corporation of St. Helens obtained by means of a local Act certain special powers in regard to the compulsory isolation of persons suffering from pulmonary tuberculosis. Similar powers were refused in the case of Sheffield in the Session of 1912, and in the cases of Derby and Southport in the present Session. Similar powers have been obtained in the present Session by Liverpool, East Ham, and Bradford. The medical officer of health of St. Helens considers that the powers have proved useful, but he reports that during 1912 in only one case was it necessary to make an application to the Court for an order authorising compulsory removal.

Water Supply, Carnetown, Abercynon

asked the President of the Local. Government Board whether his attention has been called to the shortage in the water supply at Carnetown, Abercynon, in consequence of which the drains remain unflushed and the cottagers are without water in their homes; whether he is aware that the water supply is drawn from a private reservoir which is inadequate and not properly protected from pollution; and whether he will cause an investigation to be made in the interests of the public health?

I am in communication with the local authority on the subject,of the hon. Member's question.

Industrial And Provident Societies (Amendment) Bill

asked the President of the Board of Trade whether, having regard to the importance of the Industrial and Provident Societies (Amendment) Bill now before the House, he will give facilities for this Bill to be passed during the present Session and so give effect to what is looked upon as a vital interest to hundreds of thousands of the workers of this country?

I understand that my right hon. Friend the Prime Minister will make a statement on business this week, and meanwhile I can add nothing to the recent answers given by him.

Wheat (Average Prices)

asked the President of the Board of Trade what was the average price of wheat per quarter in London, Paris, and Berlin during the first six months of 1913?

The average "Gazette" price of British wheat in London during the first six months of 1913 was 33s. per imperial quarter, and the average declared value of wheat imported into London during the same period was 35s. 11d. In Paris and Berlin the average official prices of wheat per imperial quarter—quoted irrespective of origin—were 49s. 7d. and 43s. 7d., respectively.

Steamship "Corinthian"

asked the President of the Board of Trade if the Allen steamship "Corinthian" was passed by the Board before she left Liverpool in June as having suitable accommodation for 200 third-class passengers, who complain of overcrowding, poor bedding, and of having no place to sit down on except their bunks during rough weather?

The steamship "Corinthian" left London on the 12th June last. She was cleared as an emigrant ship by one of the assistant emigration officers of the Board of Trade, and I am informed on inquiry that she fully complied with the requirements of the Merchant Shipping Acts. Nine hundred and seventy-nine steerage passengers (equivalent to 828 adults) were embarked at London and Plymouth, and the clear space allotted to emigrants was much more than sufficient for the number carried, according to the scale laid down in the statutory rules. Besides the usual dining rooms, additional rooms were provided for recreation. If the hon. Member will send me particulars of the complaints referred to, I will cause inquiries to be made in the matter.

Post Office (Skilled Workman)

asked the Postmaster-General the position of skilled workmen who are established in regard to standing off work during inclement weather; and whether the fact of nonpayment during such period of bad weather would in effect reduce them to the level of casual labour?

Time lost through bad weather in any one week has ordinarily to be made up within that or the next two succeeding pay weeks. If this is impracticable, the time is not made up. In no circumstances is there stoppage of pay.

Royal Engineers (Post Office Telegraphists)

asked the Postmaster-General whether the War Office invites postal telegraphists to join the Royal Engineers, which invitations are published from time to time in the official Post Office circular; whether it is stated that the time served in the Royal Engineers will count in Post Office service, and if the telegraphist, when leaving the Colours, will resume the relative position in his class; whether, since these invitations were issued, the Treasury have deducted the Royal Engineers' time when assessing superannuation, the result of which will reduce the pension to a very small amount; and, in view of the fact that the unit in question is wholly employed by the Post- master-General in telegraphs and is paid from a Civil Vote, the Superannuation Act of 1887, Section 3, will be interpreted so as to cover the case in point?

The facts are substantially as stated, but no expectation is held out that service in K Company of the Royal Engineers will count as Post Office service for purposes of superannuation. The Lords Commissioners of the Treasury hold that they have no legal power, whether under the Section quoted or otherwise, to include such service for pension.

Derby Post Office (Temporary Sorting Clerks)

asked the Postmaster-General whether he is aware that three temporary sorting clerks are at present employed at the Derby Post Office at wages considerably less than those paid to the regular staff for doing similar work; and, having regard to the fact that this employment of temporary labour has been going on for over two years and repeated promises having been made to deal with the question, whether he will take immediate steps to have the staff so increased so as to prevent the necessity of temporary men working at a less wage than that paid for the work performed?

I am aware that it has been necessary to authorise the employment of postmen on sorting work at Derby, pending an increase of the regular sorting staff. Steps will be taken as quickly as possible to make such increase. The difficulty has arisen from the adoption of a new circulation for letters under which additional work has been thrown upon Derby.