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Written Answers

Volume 109: debated on Thursday 8 August 1918

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Written Answers

War

Economic Policy

asked the Prime Minister whether, in view of the fact that an embargo on trade with the enemy during a period subsequent to the cessation of hostilities will compel British manufacturers to find markets for the goods formerly sold to enemy countries, he will consider the advisability of sending a mission to Australia to urge the abolition of the protective duties levied on imports of articles manufactured in Great Britain?

Lloyd's Underwriters

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer what special rate of profit, if any, Lloyd's underwriters are allowed to deduct when calculating the amount of excess profits payable to the Government?

Under the provisions of Section 42 of the Finance (No. 2) Act, 1915, the Board of Referees have ordered that in the business of insurance by underwriters, as carried on by members of Lloyd's, the percentage standard shall be calculated upon the capital at stake, which capital shall be taken to be equivalent to the nett premium income of the year at the end whereof capital is to be reckoned. It has therefore followed that, upon the general addition of 3 per cent. to the statutory percentage for increased capital granted by the Finance Act, 1917, the allowance in respect of additional capital at stake for the year 1917 and later accounting periods, amounts to 11 per cent., being the same rate as is allowed in the case of additional capital employed by other businesses not owned by companies.

asked the President of the Board of Trade how many Lloyd's underwriters have complied with the requirements laid down in Schedule 8, paragraphs B and C (1) (b) of the Assurance Companies Act as regards the furnishing to the Board of Trade of a statement showing the extent and character of the business effected by them; and how many Lloyd's underwriters, in lieu of complying with paragraph B (1) (a) and (b), have elected to comply with paragraphs B and C (2) of the Schedule and supply to the Board of Trade an auditor's certificate in lieu of a full statement showing the extent and character of the business transacted?

No Lloyd's underwriters have furnished the Board of Trade with a statement showing the extent and character of the business effected by them in accordance with Schedule 8, B and C (1) (b), of the Assurance Companies Act, 1909. Five hundred and eighty-nine Lloyd's underwriters elected to comply with the alternative requirements contained in Schedule 8, B and C (2), and furnished the Board with Auditors' certificates.

asked the President of the Board of Trade what is the amount of the deposits, if any, furnished in accordance with the Eighth Schedule, B and C (2), (3), of the Assurance Companies Act, 1909, by Lloyd's underwriters as security for the due fulfilment of their fire and accident insurance contracts; the amount of the security furnished in the form of guarantees; and whether any of the guarantees which may be furnished as an alternative to a deposit are given by persons who are not members of Lloyd's Underwriters' Association, and, if so, to what extent?

The amounts of the deposits furnished in accordance with Schedule 8, B and C (2) (b), of the Assurance Companies Act, 1909, by Lloyd's underwriters as security for claims in connection with fire, accident, and other non-marine business is £390,000. The amount of the security furnished in accordance with the provisions referred to in the form of guarantees is £5,375,000, none of which has been furnished by guarantors who are not members of Lloyd's.

Spirits In Bond, Scotland

asked the Secretary to the Treasury if he will state the total quantities of British plain spirits in bond in Customs and Excise collections in Scotland on 31st January, 1917, and 31st October, 1917, distinguishing the quantities in distillers' and general warehouses?

The figures asked for are as follows:

Collections.31st January, 1917.31st October, 1917.
In Distillers' Warehouses.In General Warehouses.In Distillers' Warehouses.In General Warehouses.
Proof Galls.Proof Galls.Proof Galls.Proof Galls.
AberdeenC. & E.3,044,667976,6862,846,692963,511
AyrC.34,84528,092
Campbeltown*E.6,848,589306,4646,270,090253,810
DumfriesE.283,349162,850264,393172,432
DundeeC. & E.708,468508,968
EdinburghE.10,712,4385,225,1939,188,1484,570,160
ElginE.17,306,306982,33016,635,681928,653
GlasgowC.2,594,7872,474,680
GlasgowE.3,536,26113,719,2513,277,92512,558,053
GrangemouthC. & E.5,759,859531,2115,241,074456,633
GreenockC. & E.2,967,0861,520,6742,687,4951,447,461
InvernessC. & E.5,921,06898,1405,614,10288,531
LeithC.1,930,2331,784,974
PerthE.2,147,0522,308,1511,992,3472,015,699
StirlingE.12,039,062310,17710,263,134325,293
Other Collections†C.56,20645,515
70,565,73731,465,66664,281,08128,622,465
* Campbeltown Collection includes Islay and Jura.
† The "Other Collections C" are Ardrossan, Bo'ness and Granton.

Food Supplies

Bullocks (Slaughter Permits)

asked the Parliamentary Secretary to the Ministry of Food if he is aware that there is an Order prohibiting the slaughter of a two-year-old bullock of, say, 5 cwt. without a permit, whilst no permit is required for the slaughter of a three-year-old bullock even of a much lesser weight; and if he will consider the advisability of altering the Order so that bullocks of a certain weight may be slaughtered irrespective of their age or teeth?

The Irish Department of Agriculture consider it desirable in the national interest to prevent the slaughter of immature live stock. They have, therefore, prohibited the slaughter in Ireland of male cattle which have not at least two permanent incisive teeth fully up. In approved cases, where a bull or bullock is economically fit for slaughter, applications for licences will be favourably considered, although the age of dentition has not been reached. But it would be impracticable to carry into effect a general prohibition with regard to animals of a certain weight.

Edible Oil

asked the Minister of National Service if edible oil, formerly used in the fish-frying, baking, and certain other trades, and, until recently, sold for such purposes at £75 per ton, is now being largely allocated to soap makers for the manufacture of soap at a price not more, and possibly less, than that paid by the fish-frying trade; if he is aware that this trade is now compelled to accept a substitute, of which the original oil forms a portion, and to pay £150 for such compound; if he is aware that this has affected the trade to such an extent that many have had to close down; and if he will state the profit made by the Government out of the difference in price between the £69 per ton paid by the Ministry of Food to the oil refiners and the price at which the oil is disposed of to the compound oil manufacturers?

In view of the scarcity of refining residues, and in order to ensure the production of the requisite quantity of glycerine for the manufacture of munitions, it has been found necessary to allocate to soap-makers a limited amount of edible oil. The compound supplied to the fish-frying trade is manufactured from materials purchased at varying prices and supplied at a flat rate in some cases actually below cost. I am not aware that fish-fryers have had to close down owing to the price of compound. In any case, there is no considerable profit derived from its sale by the Ministry of Food, nor is the price of compound disproportionate to that of margarine and edible dripping.

Butter

asked the Food Controller what quantities of Danish butter came into England during the months of June and July; has any fixed price been laid down as regards its purchase, and, if so, how much per cwt.; what amount of Irish butter came into the market in the same interval; and what was the fixed price of the same?

Owing to the high prices asked by the Danish exporters, no Danish butter was imported by the Ministry of Food during the months of June and July. The quantity of Irish butter which came into The market in the same period was approximately 9,500 tons, the price paid for which varied according to quality, the maximum being 233s. per cwt.

Ireland

Prison Warders (Pay, Etc)

asked the Secretary to the Treasury if the Treasury have received petitions for increases of pay and allowances from the prison warders of Ireland; and if he will state when such increases will be granted?

An application has been received for an increase of war bonus and boot allowance, and this has been met to a large extent by the recent award of the Conciliation and Arbitration Board.

asked the Chief Secretary for Ireland whether he has received representations by or on behalf of Irish prison warders asking for an increase of pay and allowances for their families in view of the greatly increased cost of living; and whether he can state when such increases will be made?

Representations have been recently received on behalf of Irish prison warders asking for an increase of war bonus, and for an allowance for each child to married officers with families. An award of the Conciliation and Arbi- tration Board of increased war bonus applicable to these officers was received on 2nd inst. and is being given effect to.

Land Purchase

asked the Chief Secretary for Ireland why the Estates Commissioners advanced large sums to Mr. M. Carr and his mother, on the Grattan Bellew estate, county Galway, to purchase over 700 acres, while they left twelve tenants on the same estate, having only an average of 8 acres each, without any increase in their holdings and who are debarred from getting increased holdings from the Congested Districts Board owing to the fact that they are all over £10 valuation; will the Estates Commissioners take steps to distribute amongst the above twelve tenants the farm called Patch, containing 273 acres, held as a grazing farm up to the time the undertaking to purchase agreements were signed, and for which the Estates Commissioners advanced to Mr. M. Carr £3,000 to purchase; if not, where are the above twelve tenants to get increased holdings to bring them near the level of what tenants similarly situated on adjoining estates have got; and will he state what action the Estates Commissioners purpose taking in the cases of the above tenants sent to them on the 20th June by the honorary secretary, Moylough Tenants' Association?

The parties named in the first part of the question were tenants of the lands, and the advances were made to them as such under the provisions of the Land Purchase Acts. The lands have been vested in the purchasing tenants, and the Estates Commissioners do not intend to take any action in the matter.

Petrol Supplies

asked the Vice-President of the Department of Agriculture (Ireland) why, though petrol is to be conserved for agricultural purposes, he refused, in a specific case, 4,371 Blackrock, a permit for even 1 quart daily for that purpose?

It is presumed the number quoted by the hon. Member is that of a motor cycle in connection with which an application was made to the Department of Agriculture for a recommendation for the granting of a petrol permit by the Petrol Control Board. The Department investigated this case most carefully, and they are quite satisfied that it is not one in regard to which they should make any recommendation.

Dublin Rebuilding

asked the Under-Secretary of State for War whether he is aware of the correspondence that has passed between Mr. Richard A. Balfe, of Dublin, and the Director for Army Supplies re a supply of cement for work in Dublin which includes the Tarraght Aerodrome and Dublin destroyed area, for all of which a licence has been issued; is he aware that Mr. Balfe has sent several letters and telegrams prepaid to which he cannot get a reply; that all the buildings have had to be stopped in consequence of a satisfactory arrangement not having been come to; and whether he will take action in the matter?

I am aware of the correspondence referred to by the hon. Member, but I understand that the statement that Mr. Balfe is supplying cement for the Tarraght Aerodrome is not confirmed by the Air Ministry's representative in Ireland. The correspondence with Mr. Balfe commenced early in June last, and both in that month and in July he was informed that, owing to the very heavy demands for war work of the first importance, it was necessary to limit the use of cement in Ireland to essential military and naval purposes. Further telegrams were later received from Mr. Balfe, but, owing to the large number of similar applications then being received, and to the wording of the telegrams not being such as to enable the case to be readily identified, the reply to them was delayed. On the 2nd instant, however, a permit for a small quantity of cement was sent to him, and this was followed on the 3rd instant by a letter explaining the delay. Arrangements have recently been notified to cement manufacturers under which they are permitted to supply to merchants, to be used for approved purposes, one-third of the quantity sold to them by the manufacturers in 1917, and it should thus now be possible for Mr. Balfe to obtain his essential requirements.

Military Service

Special Service Volunteers

asked the Under-Secretary of State for War whether the two months' Volunteers, after they have finished their training, will be allowed to return to their former positions or retained in their military service; and if they in any way as men of the ages forty-five to fifty forfeit their rights to military tribunals and grading to consider their capabilities for service?

In reply to the first part of the question, I would refer my hon. Friend to the answer which I gave on Thursday last to my hon. Friend the Member for South-West Manchester. With regard to the second part, as it has been repeatedly stated, the position of Volunteers serving with Special Service Companies will be in no way prejudiced thereby in any subsequent consideration of their cases by tribunals. Instructions to this effect have been issued to all concerned.

Sole Surviving Sons

asked the Under-Secretary of State for War with regard to the case of Alfred Cordwell, No. 4666, Royal Fusiliers, in France, and whose mother lives at 49, Bolton Road, Pendleton, Manchester, whether he is aware that this man's father is recently dead and also his only brother, killed in action; and whether, as sole surviving son, Mrs. Cord well's claim to have her son placed on munition work can be considered?

I very much regret that this case does not come within the rule which it has been necessary to lay down, and I cannot therefore take any special action.

asked the Under-Secretary of State for War with regard to the ease of only surviving sons, whether he is aware of the regulations of the Ministry of National Service on the subject; whether his attention has been called to the decisions recently given by the president of the Westminster Appeal Tribunal to the effect that a widow whose other sons have been killed is entitled to claim exemption for a sole surviving son even though she may have daughters alive as well as the sole surviving son; what the decision of the War Office in the matter is; and whether he will consider the desirability, in the public interest, of some clear general ruling being agreed between the War Office, the Ministry of Munitions and the chairmen of tribunals?

The War Office is only concerned with the cases of serving soldiers, and I am afraid it is mot possible to give any pledge with regard to the matter. I can, however, assure my hon. Friend that every case brought to the notice of the Department is most carefully and sympathetically considered by the military authorities, both at the War Office and with the various Expeditionary forces. As I stated before, our rule at present is that if there are more than two sons and all have fallen except one, the surviving son is kept on Home service.

Young Soldiers

asked the Under-Secretary of State for War whether he is now in a position to state the steps which have been taken or are to be taken to prevent boys under nineteen years of age from being sent into action; and whether he can state the corresponding steps which have been taken by the French military authorities?

I would refer my hon. Friend to my speech during the Debate last evening, As regards the French, I would refer to the answer which I gave on 30th July to my right hon. Friend the Member for Molton and my hon. Friend the Member for Harborough.

School Caretakers

asked the Minister of National Service whether he is aware that school caretakers are not being considered as officials in the provision made for the purpose of exempting teachers and officials in the service of local education authorities who are in Grade 1 and over forty-five years of age and Grade 2 over thirty-six; if he will say who is responsible for this discrimination against school caretakers; and whether he will take steps to remove this distinction?

The hon. Member is mistaken in supposing that there is a discrimination against school caretakers. The Instructions for which the Ministry of National Service is responsible provide for exemption under certain conditions of teachers and certain clerical and administrative officers whose withdrawal would endanger the interests of education in a particular district. The need for such special protection does not appear to arise in the case of caretakers, and the Instructions were not intended to apply to them.

Westfield Camp, Cupar

asked the Under-Secretary of State for War whether he will inquire into the conditions under which the Special Service Volunteers at Westfield camp, Cupar, Fife, are treated, both as to food and camp conditions, and also the reasonable consideration to be given by their officers to men of mature age who are voluntarily giving their services to the country?

I have no reason to believe that the conditions obtaining in the case of the Volunteer Special Service companies referred to are other than satisfactory, but I will make inquiry and acquaint my hon. Friend of the result.

Army Horses

asked the Financial Secretary to the War Office if he will state the number and cost, including all expenses in connection with the delivery at the depots, of the heavy horses purchased for military purposes outside the United Kingdom since 4th August, 1914, to 30th June last, the average price paid for these heavy horses purchased outside the United Kingdom, including the expenses referred to in 1914, 1915, 1916, 1917, and 1918 to 30th June, and similar particulars and comparison of prices for heavy horses purchased for military purposes within the United Kingdom; and similar information and particulars for the light horses purchased for military purposes outside and within the United Kingdom, respectively?

I would refer the hon. Member to the oral reply which I gave this afternoon to a question on this subject by the hon. Member for the College Green Division of Dublin.

asked the Financial Secretary to the War Office what prices are paid in America and Canada for troopers and chargers, and what prices are paid for similar animals in Ireland; on what grounds such a differentiation of prices exists or is it that the Irish trooper or charger is inferior to the American or Canadian; and what are the prices to which Government buyers can go to at this moment in the purchase of these animals in England, Scotland, and Ireland respectively?

It is not desirable in the public interest to give the detailed information asked for in the question, but, speaking generally, the price of the Irish horse is higher than that of the Canadian or American.

Naval And Military Pensions And Grants

asked the Under-Secretary of State for War whether he is aware that Private Daniel Murphy, No. 2911, Middlesex Regiment, has been killed in the War and that in the year previous to his enlistment he contributed £6 towards the maintenance of his aged father, who has a young family; and, seeing that this man gave his son to the Army, will some grant or pension be given to him?

The case is under investigation, with a view to the grant of any pension admissible, and the hon. Member will be informed of the decision.

asked the Under-Secretary of State for War whether he is aware that many officers holding temporary commissions in the Army was unable to get reliable information as to the allowances and grants to which they are entitled on being invalided out of the Army; in view of this, will he say when such information can be obtained, and now state what allowances are made to the various grades of married officers or officers with dependants; whether grants by the Civil Liabilities Commission cease when these men leave the Army; and, if so, what arrangements are made to enable these men to make a fresh start in life free from the double burden of debt and impaired health?

With reference to the first and fourth parts of the question, information as to allowances and grants which may be made to officers on being invalided from the Army is contained in published Army Orders, more particularly Army Order 268 of 1917, which sets forth the Royal Warrant of the 1st August, 1917. As the hon. Member is, however, doubtless aware, an officer does not have to make any application in order to obtain retired pay or gratuity, while, if he is eligible for treatment, a form of application is sent to him; a form is also sent to enable him to apply for employment or training. In answer to the second part of the question, it would be impossible to set out in a reply all the provisions as to children of disabled officers and the families of deceased officers; but these will be found in the Royal Warrant mentioned above, a copy of which is being sent to the hon. Member. The third part of the question, relating to the Civil Liabilities Committee, should be addressed to my right hon. Friend the President of the Local Government Board.

Ministry Of Pensions (Staff)

asked the Pensions Minister whether he is aware that at the Ministry of Pensions the male messengers are receiving more pay than the male clerks; which is supposed to be the superior position; whether he is aware that, owing to the fact that the messengers have a union, they have had their war bonus increased to 19s. per week whereas that of the clerks still remains at 8s.; whether, if any increase is granted, the war bonus will be in ratio to the pay, which is 35s. to 27s.; whether the increase will be retrospective seeing that the messengers have been receiving theirs for some time; whether he is aware that the temporary clerks at the Admiralty are receiving £2 18s. 6d. per week and double overtime; and whether he will take steps to provide that all Government clerks should receive the same rate according to grade?

In consequence of a recent decision increasing the rate of war bonus, temporary messengers are, in fact, at the moment receiving slightly higher pay than the lower grade of temporary male clerks. Representations as to the pay of male clerks were, however, made in the matter some time ago and are being considered in connection with the question of the rates of pay applicable to clerks of this grade for all Departments. The last part of the question should be addressed to the Financial Secretary to the Treasury.

Munitions

Jonas, Colver And Company

asked the Minister of Munitions (1) whether he is aware that the firm of Jonas, Colver and Company, Limited, had, prior to the War, one of the best reputations in Sheffield as steelmakers, and during the whole of 1915 and the early part of 1916 were practically the sole suppliers of aeroplane cranks and crank steel for air engines, but that their reputation for good steel changed, and that owing to the bad steel supplied by this company the principal machining firm in Sheffield was occupied on machining 80 per cent. of defective stuff to the prejudice of the engine programme of the Air Board; whether any compensation in respect of bad steel paid to machining firms came out of public funds; whether an analysis showed that much of the steel was such that it never could have met the tests required; whether he is aware that in the middle of 1917 the chief steelmaker to Jonas and Colver left and that Mr. Robert Jonas is now in charge of the steel-making plant; and whether the Air Board has recently installed a Government steel specialist at the works, and what experience of steelmaking has this expert; and (2) Why, in spite of the repeated output of defective steel by Messrs. Jonas and Colver, they still have the largest allocation for the production of high-grade steel of any firm in Sheffield; and whether he will cause a full, independent inquiry to be made into the transactions of this firm since the War began?

I am informed that the firm mentioned had, previous to the War, one of the best reputations as steelmakers in Sheffield, and that so far as the Ministry of Munitions is concerned, the reputation of the firm as steel producers has not changed. It is incorrect to state that the firm was practically the only producers of aeroplane cranks and aeroplane crank steel in 1915 and the early part of 1916. Owing to the stringency of the specifications and the greater stresses which have to be endured by this particular steel all firms engaged in its manufacture have encountered considerable difficulties. These difficulties have now been overcome. The quality of Messrs. Jonas and Colver's products are quite equal to the average deliveries from other firms. It is possible that over a period of a few days' rejections might have been as high as 80 per cent., but the rejections over a reasonable period have not exceeded those usual in the trade. No compensation from public funds in respect of bad material has been made. The steel was correct to the analysis required at the particular stage of manufacture. The chief steel maker to the firm left in March, 1918, and not in 1917. He was succeeded by an expert from another Sheffield firm. An officer with steel-making experience has been watching operations on behalf of the Ministry and for purposes of advice. It is true that the allocation of orders for this particular steel to Messrs. Jonas and Colver is the largest in Sheffield, but I may point out that these allocations are made on the advice of a committee composed of representatives of the leading firms of steelmakers in Sheffield.

Registration Of Voters

asked the President of the Local Government Board whether he can state the last day for claiming to be placed on the register of electors for the respective universities by persons whose names do not appear on the provisional lists of electors for such universities?

The Representation of the People Act does not fix any date for this purpose, and, in view of the provisions contained in Section 19 of the Act, the matter seems to be within the discretion of the governing body of the several universities concerned.

asked the President of the Local Government Board whether claims can be made on behalf of persons entitled to be registered as university electors but debarred from claiming personally, owing to the fact that they are serving in His Majesty's Forces in various parts of the world?

I am not empowered to determine the question, but I am not aware of any Statutory provision which would prevent such a claim as is referred to being made.

asked the President to the Local Government Board whether he is aware that notwithstanding the provisions of Rule 6 of Schedule 1 of the Representation of the People Act, which authorises registration officers to issue the lists of electors on or before the date fixed for the publication of the lists, none of the lists were issued by the registration officer for Manchester until the 29th of June, although the lists for several of the divisions and wards were in his pos- session; and will he issue instructions that the example set by the registration officer for Glasgow may safely be followed by registration officers throughout the country?

asked the President of the Local Government Board whether he is aware that applications by party agents and by the Press for a statement of the number of the Parliamentary and local government electors contained in the lists published on the 29th June have not been granted in every case by the registration officer concerned; whether he sees any objection to such information being supplied; and whether he will inform registration officers generally that the public may safely be entrusted with the figures, and that the disclosure of such information cannot be regarded as being dangerous and harmful to the community as a whole?

Registration officers are not required to tabulate the electors' lists, and I am not aware of any cases in which statements of the kind referred to have been communicated to the party agents or the Press. An official Return on the subject will be made when the register is complete.

Aliens

Holzapfels, Limited

asked the President of the Board of Trade whether the Holzapfel concern at Bergen, in which Holzapfels, Limited, of Newcastle-on-Tyne are interested, is largely under the influence of Mr. Max Holzapfel, a naturalised German who left this country at the outbreak of war, and whose connection with Holzapfel's firm in this country has been considered so objectionable that his interest therein has been eliminated; and, if so, will he state what steps the Government have taken, and will in future take, to prevent any supplies sent from this country to the Holzapfel firm in Bergen being directly or indirectly used for the benefit of the enemy?

I am informed that the Holzapfel concern at Bergen is not largely under the influence of Mr. Max Holzapfel; that he is not a director of that concern, but acts as technical adviser only in manufacturing matters if appealed to.

asked the President of the Board of Trade if he will state what steps the Government have taken, or are taking, in order to make sure that the undertaking given by the Holzapfel concern at Bergen to Holzapfels, Limited, Newcastle-on-Tyne, is really effective in preventing any goods shipped by the English firm to the Bergen concern in which they are interested from being used, either directly or indirectly, to the advantage of the enemy?

As stated in answer to a question of the hon. Member on the 1st August, the undertaking referred to was not given to the Government, but to Holzapfels, Limited. Any question with regard to the steps taken by the Government to prevent goods shipped to Norway from reaching the enemy should be addressed to my right hon. Friend the Minister of Blockade.

Prisoners Of War

Interned British Civilians

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs whether, under the arrangement for the release of British prisoners in Germany, British civilians who were employed in the cotton mills in Northern France, and who are interned in Germany, will be released?

The agreement recently concluded at the Hague, which sitll awaits ratification, provides for the repatriation of all British civilians in German hands.

Religious Emblems

asked the Under-Secretary of State for War whether he can inform the House as to the reason why religious emblems are prohibited by the Censor from being sent to prisoners of war in the enemies' hands; and whether, in view of the feeling caused at such prohibition and the relation of the grievance to enlistment in Ireland, the prohibition can be withdrawn or, at any rate, modified?

I would refer my hon. Friend to the oral reply which I gave to a question by my hon. and learned Friend the Member for South Donegal, a copy of which I am sending him.