Written Answers
India
Constitutional Reforms (Extra Expenditure)
asked the Under-Secretary of State for India whether he can make a statement showing the difference between the number of officials employed and the cost of administration of the Central and Provincial Governments in India before the introduction of the reforms effected by the Government of India Act, 1919, and at the commencement of the present year?
The statement supplied to me by the Government of India is as follows:
| STATEMENT SHOWING THE ANNUAL EXTRA EXPENDITURE INCURRED IN CONNECTION WITH REFORMS. | |||
| Province. | Particulars of appointments involving extra cost created. | Extra annual cost involved. | Remarks. |
| Rs. | |||
| Govt. of India | President, Council of State | 50,000 | 7 months at Rs. 5,000 and 5 months at Rs. 3,000. |
| President, Legislative Assembly | 50,000 | ||
| Joint Secretary | 36,000 | ||
| Additional DeputySecretary | 24,000 | ||
| Two Superintendents at Rs. 600–40–800 each. | 18,000 | ||
| Seven Council Reporters at Rs. 450–25–750 each. | 53,750 | ||
| One Secretariat Assistant in the upper time scale at Rs. 375–25 500 | 5,625 | ||
| Ten Assistants at Rs. 200–15–500 | 42,000 | ||
| Seventeen clerks at Rs. 100–8–300 | 38,675 | ||
| Three stenographers at Rs. 175–9–400. | 9,675 | ||
| Six daftris at Rs. 15–1–35 | 1,080 | ||
| Two jamadars at Rs. 20–1–24 | 480 | ||
| Sixteen peons at Rs.10 each | 1,920 | ||
| Province. | Particulars of appointments involving extra cost created. | Extra annual cost involved. | Remarks. |
| Rs. | |||
| Eighteen temporary peons at Rs. 10 each. | 2,160 | ||
| Hill journey allowances | 22,000 | ||
| Travelling and daily allowances of the Members of Council of State and of Legislative Assembly. | 5,05,500 | ||
| Appointment of a Ceremonial Officer for the Indian Legislature. | 3,000 | ||
| Provision for purchase of books for the Library for the Members of the Indian Legislature. | 15,000* | * This expenditure is fluctuating. This year 15,000, next year 10,000 and every subsequent year 6,000. | |
| Staff for the Library: one Assistant (Librarian) on the upper division time scale, one clerk on the lower division time scale and two daftris. | 6,800 | ||
| Salary of the Deputy-President of the Legislative Assembly at Re. 1,000 per mensem for periods during which he is engaged on work connected with business of the Legislative Assembly. | 7,000 | ||
| TOTAL—Government of India | 8,92,675 | ||
| Madras | One Member, Executive Council, at Rs. 5,333–5–4 p.m. | 64,000 | |
| Three Ministers at Rs. 5,333–5–4 p.m. | 1,92,000 | ||
| One President, Legislative Council, at Rs. 3,000 p.m. | 36,000 | ||
| One Deputy President at Rs. 5,000 a year. | 5,000 | ||
| Three Council Secretaries at Rs. 500 each. | 18,000 | ||
| One Secretary to Council | 18,000 | ||
| One Secretary, Finance Department, at Rs. 3,000 p.m. | 36,000 | ||
| One Assistant Secretary, Finance Department, at Rs. 700 p.m. | 8,400 | ||
| Travelling allowance of Members of Council, Ministers and Members of Legislative Council. | 1,31,000 | ||
| Establishment under Ministers | 7,938 | ||
| Hill journey allowance of establishment. | 2,600 | ||
| Contingencies of establishment | 9,440 | ||
| Legislative Council office establishment at Rs. 1,555–8–0 p.m. | 18,666 | ||
| Legislative Council shorthand reporting charges. | 24,000 | ||
| Total for Madras | 5,71,044 | ||
| Bombay | One Member, Executive Council | 64,000 | |
| Three Ministers | 1,92,000 | ||
| One President, Legislative Council | 36,000 | ||
| One Deputy President, Legislative Council. | 1,500 | ||
| One Secretary to Government, Finance Department. | 31,200 | ||
| One Secretary to Government, Political Department. | 30,000 | ||
| One Deputy Secretary, Finance Department. | 21,000 | ||
| One Deputy Secretary, General Department. | 20,000 |
| Province. | Particulars of appointments involving extra cost created. | Extra annual cost involved. | Remarks. |
| Rs. | |||
| Bombay-cont. | One Deputy Secretary, Legal Department | 29,400 | |
*Six reporters | 14,114 | *Inclusive of a duty allowance of Rs. 50 per annum to one Reporter. | |
| Two clerks (including a steward) | 2,244 | ||
| Four personal clerks to the Honorable Member and Ministers. | 10,416 | ||
| Hill allowance to clerks (including a steward). | 608 | ||
| Ten peons (including two hamals and one sweeper). | 3,362 | ||
| Travelling allowances:— | |||
| One Additional Member | 3,802 | ||
| Three Ministers | 9,334 | ||
| Additional Members of Legislative Council. | 55,383 | ||
| Total for Bombay | 5,24,363 | ||
| Bengal | One Member, Executive Council | 64,000 | |
| Three Ministers | 1,92,000 | ||
| One President, Legislative Council | 36,000 | ||
| One Deputy President, Legislative Council. | 5,000 | ||
| One Secretary, Agriculture and Industries Department. | 33,000 | ||
| One Deputy Secretary, Chief Secretary's Office. | 23,400 | ||
*Two Assistant Secretaries | 10,320 | * Of the five posts of Assistant Secretaries sanctioned on the introduction of the reforms, one was previously in existence, and two have merely replaced Under-Secretary merely replaced Under-Secretaryships which have been abolished. | |
| One Deputy Secretary, Legislative Department. | 18,000 | ||
| Travelling and halting allowances of one Executive Councillor, three Ministers and Members of the Legislative Council. | 1,15,500 | ||
| Printing, contingencies, etc. in connexion with the reformed Legislative Council. | 50,000 | ||
*Extra ministerial establishment in the several Departments of the Secretariat. | 37,240 | *Does not include petty items like additional chaprasies, additions to ordinary contingencies, etc. | |
| Total for Bengal | 5,84,460 | ||
| United Provinces. | One Governor | *20,000 | *Difference between pay of present Governor and former Lieut.-Governors. |
| One Additional Aide-de-Camp | 9,300 | ||
| Two Member, Executive Council | 1,28,000 | ||
| Two Ministers, Executive Council | 1,28,000 | ||
| One President, Legislative Council, at Rs. 4,000. | 48,000 | ||
| Two Council Secretaries. | 36,000 | ||
| One Deputy President, Legislative Council. | 5,000 | ||
| Travelling and halting allowance of executive Councillors and Ministers. | 20,000 | ||
| One Secretary at Rs. 2,300 p.m. | 27,600 | ||
| One Deputy Secretary at Rs. 2,000 p.m. | 19,200 | ||
| One Deputy Secretary in place of an Under Secretary. | 10,500 | ||
| Eight Assistant Secretaries in place of one Under Secretary and four Registrars. | 37,200 |
| Province. | Particulars of appointments involving extra cost created. | Extra annual cost involved. | Remarks. |
| Rs. | |||
| United Provinces-cont. | One Assistant Secretary to Council (temporary for 6 months at Rs. 480 p.m.). | 2,880 | |
| Reporting allowance | 9,000 | ||
| Three Superintendents at Rs. 450–40–650. | 21,600 | ||
| Fifteen Clerks on Rs. 150–10–260–20–360. | 50,088 | ||
| One Clerk on Rs. 240 | 2,880 | ||
| Six Clerks on Rs. 170–10–220 | 14,940 | ||
| One Clerk on Rs. 190 | 2,280 | ||
| Eleven Clerks on Rs. 70–5–150 | 15,224 | ||
| One Librarian on Rs. 350–20–450 | 5,100 | ||
| One Assistant Treasurer on Rs. 200–10–300. | 3,200 | ||
| Fourteen Stenotypists on Rs.150 to Rs.400 | 37,200 | ||
| One Daftri on Rs.17 | 204 | ||
| Two Daftris on Rs.16 | 384 | ||
| Seven Jemadars on Rs.19 | 1,596 | ||
| Six junior Jemadars on Rs.16 | 1,152 | ||
| Twenty Peons on Rs.14 | 3,360 | ||
| Eleven Peons on Rs.13 | 1,716 | ||
| Eighteen Peons on Rs.12 | 2,592 | ||
| Four Doorkeepers on Rs.16 | 768 | ||
| Two Chaukidars on Rs.12 | 288 | ||
| Travelling and halting allowances of members of the Legislative Council. | 1,00,000 | ||
| Total for United Provinces | 7,89,252 | ||
| Punjab | Two Members, Executive Council | 1,20,000 | |
| Two Ministers | 1,20,000 | ||
| One Deputy President, Legislative Council, at Rs. 5,000 a year. | 5,000 | ||
| One President, Legislative Council at Rs. 3,000 p.m. | 36,000 | ||
| One Secretary, Transferred Departments, at Rs. 2,550 p.m. | 30,600 | ||
| One Secretary, Legislative Council | 9,600 | ||
| Office Establishment, Legislative Council. | 10,600 | ||
| Four Council Secretaries at Rs.2,000 a year each. | 8,000 | ||
| Travelling allowances of Members of Legislative Council and of Ministers and Members of the Executive Council of the Governor of the Punjab. | 57,500 | ||
| Three Council Reporters at Rs. 300–15–450 p.m. each. | 14,400 | ||
| Two Personal Assistants at Rs.175–12½–350 p.m. each to Ministers and Members. | 7,440 | ||
| Five Jemadars at Rs. 19 each | 1,140 | ||
| Fourteen Peons at Rs.16/18 each | 2,772 | ||
| Printing Charges | 29,000 | ||
| Additional Secretariat Staff | 20,000 | ||
| Total Punjab Government | 4,72,052 | ||
| Bihar and Orissa. | Two Ministers | 1,20,000 | |
*One President, Legislative Council | * Post at present held by a Member of the Executive Council. | ||
| One Deputy President | 3,000 | ||
| One Secretary to Council | 25,200 |
| Province. | Particulars of appointment involving extra cost created. | Extra annual Cost involved. | Remarks. |
| Rs. | |||
| Bihar and Orissa-cont. | Travelling and halting allowances of Members of Council and Ministers and Members of the Legislative Council. | 60,000 | |
| One Secretary | 25,200 | ||
| One Under Secretary | 9,600 | ||
| One Superintendent at Rs. 400–20–500 | 4,800 | ||
| One Head Assistant at Rs.250–15–400. | 3,000 | ||
| One Assistant at Rs.110–5–150 | 1,320 | ||
| One Accountant at Rs.75–5–100 | 900 | ||
| Two Accountants at Rs. 55–4–75 | 1,320 | ||
| Two Accountants at Rs.50–4–70 | 1,200 | One of these is at present vacant. | |
| Two Typists at Rs. 70–3–100 | 1,680 | ||
| One Typists at Rs. 40–3–70 | 480 | ||
| One Stenographer at Rs. 120–8–200 | 1,440 | ||
| One Temporary Assistant at Rs. 150–10–250. | 1,800 | ||
| One Daftri at Rs. 20–1–25 | 240 | ||
| Four Peons at Rs. 15 each | 720 | ||
| Four Peons at Rs.14 each | 672 | ||
| Two Peons at Rs.13 each | 312 | ||
| Two Darwans at Rs. 11–1–15 | 264 | ||
| One Jemadar Sweeper at Rs.12 | 144 | ||
| Five Sweepers at Rs.10 each | 600 | ||
| Four Frashes at Rs.9 each | 432 | ||
| Four Watermen at Rs.9 each | 432 | ||
| Total Bihar and Orissa | 2,64,756 | ||
| Central Provinces. | One Governor | 10,000 | *Difference between the present pay of the Governor and the former pay of the Chief Commissioner. |
| Two Members of the Executive Council. | 54,000* | *Pay at the rate of Rs. 48,000 per annum for each—Rs.96,000 less the annual saving effected by the abolition of the post of Financial Commissioner Rs.42,000/54,000 | |
| Two Ministers | 72,000 | ||
| One President, Legislative Council | 36,000 | ||
| One Deputy President, Legislative Council. | 3,000 | ||
| Four Council Secretaries | — | These Council Secretaries are selected members of the Legislative Council, who have not accepted any remuneration for their work as their proposed pay at Rs.250 p.m. each was not voted by the present Council. | |
| Central Provinces. | Travelling allowances of the Home Member and Ministers. | 4,594 | This is an estimate for one year based on the actual expenditure incurred during the first nine months of 1921. |
| Travelling allowance of Members of the Legislative Council and of the Standing Committees and of clerical and menial staff of the Home Member and the Ministers. | 16,489 | ||
| Halting allowance of Members of the Legislative Council and of the Standing Committees and of clerical and menial staff of the Home Member and Ministers. | 11,513 | ||
| Extra clerical establishment of the Legislative Council. | 8,268 | * I Superintendent, 3 Clerks and 2 menials. Estimate based on average pay. |
| Province. | Particulars of appointments involving extra cost created. | Extra annual cost involved. | Remarks. |
| Rs. | |||
| Central Provinces-cont. | Stenographers to Home Member and Ministers at Rs.216. 2.3 each. | 7,800 | |
| Menial establishment of President, Deputy-President, Home Member and Ministers. | 4,240 | * 17 Jamadars and peons on rates of pay from average Rs. 13.5.4. to Rs. 19.8. | |
| Total for Central Provinces | 2,27,904 | ||
| Assam. | One Governor | 6000 | Difference between pay of Governor and that of former Chief Commissioners. |
| Two Members, Executive Council | 84,000 | ||
| Two Ministers | 84,000 | ||
| One President, Legislative Council | 12,000 | ||
| One Deputy-President, Legislative Council. | 2,500 | ||
| One Private Secretary to H.E. the Governor. | 3,000 | *Since the introduction of Reforms one Private Secretary has been appointed for H.E. the Governor on a salary of Rs.1250 a month, in place of one Personal Assistant employed by the Chief Commissioner on a salary of Rs.1000 a month. | |
| One Aide-de-Camp to H.E. the Governor. | 12,000 | ||
| Four stenographers for the Hon. Member and Ministers (Rs.250–10–350). | 12,000 | ||
| Four Jamadars for the Hon. Member and Ministers (20–½25). | 960 | ||
| Twelve Chaprasis for the Hon. Members and Ministers (Rs. 14–⅓17). | 2,016 | ||
| One Daftri for the Hon. Member and Ministers (Rs.20–½–30). | 240 | ||
| One Jamadar for the President of the Council (Rs.20–½–25). | 240 | ||
| Two Chaprasis for the President of the Council (Rs. 14⅓–17). | 336 | ||
| One Council Clerk (Rs.120–6–190) | 1,440 | ||
| One Chobdar for His Excellency (Rs.18–½–25). | 216 | ||
| One Chaprasi for Aide-de Camp (Rs.14–⅓–17). | 168 | ||
| One Superintendent for Private Secretary's Office (Rs.250–10–450) | 1,320* | *The difference as compared with the pay of a Head Assistant employed at the time of the Chief Commissioner. | |
| Two Head Assistants for the Assam Secretariat (Rs.300–14–370). | 7,200 | ||
| Three Assistants for the Assam Secretariat (Rs.150–10–250). | 6,240 | ||
| Two Assistants for the Assam Secretariat (Rs.60–3–90–4–130). | 1,440 | ||
| Two Record Suppliers for the Assam Secretariat (Rs.30–1–50). | 720 | ||
| One Typist for the Assam Secretariat (Rs. 50 | 606 | ||
| Four Chaprasis for the Assam Secretariat (Rs.14–⅓–17). | 672 | ||
| One Clerk for the Legislative Department (Rs.50–4–90–4–130–4–150). | 600 | ||
| One Clerk for the Legislative Department (Rs.60–3–90–4–130). | 720 | ||
| Travelling allowance and halting allowance etc. of Members of the Legislative Council. | 22,000 |
| Province. | Particulars of appointments involving extra cost created. | Extra annual cost involved. | Remarks. |
| Rs. | |||
| Assam-cont. | Travelling allowance and halting allowance etc. of Members and Minister of Government and their Staff. | Rs.10,000 | |
| Total for Assam | 2,72,628 | ||
| Grand Total for the whole of India | Rs.45,99,134 |
Widow's Pension (Mrs E Finnerty, Mountain Ash)
asked the Minister of Pensions if he is aware of the case of Mrs. E. Finnerty, of 11, Napier Street, Mountain Ash, South Wales; that this woman lost her husband and son in the late War; that she received a pension of £1 18s. 7d. per week for the loss of husband and son; that the pension has been cut down to 15s. 6d. per week by the pensions officer because this woman gave birth to a child, the father of the child having promised marriage but not keeping his word; and will his Department give this woman some consideration under the circumstances?
The Special Grants Committee, to whom this case was referred for a decision under the provisions of Section 3 of the Naval and Military War Pensions, etc,, Act, 1915, came to the conclusion that the facts called for the forfeiture of the pension granted to this woman in respect of her deceased husband. I understand, however, that the Committee propose to review the case at an early date.
Aviation (Helicopter)
asked the Secretary of State for Air what progress has been made in the experiments on the helicoptic system of flight, and whether the reward for any successful invention on this system is still offered by the Department?
The answer to the first question is that satisfactory progress is being made with the experiments; to the second, that it is still intended to offer u prize for a successful helicopter, but that it has been necessary to settle points of detail in connection with the conditions of the competition. I hope, however, that a formal announcement Brill be made before very long.
Coal Prices
asked the Secretary for Mines (on Monday, 29th. May) (1) whether, in view of his statement that it is important that the House should realise that there are many other factors in the cost of household coal besides the wages of the miners and the profits of the owners, such as the cost of carriage, railway rates, and the cost of distribution, he will give some idea of the percentage of cost which must be added in respect of each contributory factor to the pithead price of cottage coal sold, for instance, 50 miles from the colliery producing it;(2) whether, seeing that the high price of cottage coal diminishes its consumption, and that it would benefit the millers to increase consumption by efforts to ascertain and remove the causes of the high prices, which, according to authentic statements, are not due to the colliery owners or workers, an inquiry could be instituted to ascertain information as to these causes, if it is not at present available?
has furnished the following particulars:
| STATEMENT, furnished by the Coal Merchants' Federation of Great Britain, showing the Retail Selling Prices of House Coal delivered in various Provincial Centres at 25th May. 1922, and the Items of Cost included in the Retail Selling Prices. | ||||||||||||
| Items of Cost. | Northampton. | Cheltenham. | ||||||||||
| Derby Best. | Baddesley Cobbles. | Kitchen Coal. | Best. | Medium. | Cheap. | |||||||
s.
| d.
| s.
| d.
| s.
| d.
| s.
| d.
| s.
| d.
| s.
| d.
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| Pit price | 31 | 0 | 27 | 0 | 22 | 0 | 29 | 0 | 25 | 0 | 19 | 0 |
| Railway rate | 8 | 6 | 6 | 1 | 5 | 8 | 9 | 2 | 9 | 2 | 9 | 2 |
| Wagon hire | 1 | 6 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 |
| Distribution charges, including factorage | 9 | 6 | 10 | 0 | 8 | 9 | 9 | 6 | 9 | 6 | 9 | 6 |
| Retailers' profit | 0 | 6 | 1 | 5 | 0 | 7 | 0 | 4 | 0 | 4 | 0 | 4 |
| Total - Retail price, delivered | 51 | 0 | 45 | 6 | 38 | 0 | 50 | 0 | 46 | 0 | 40 | 0 |
| Items of Cost. | Leeds. | Manchester. | ||||||||
| Best. | Medium. | Best. | Seconds. | Kitchen | ||||||
s.
| d.
| s.
| d.
| s.
| d.
| s.
| d.
| s.
| d.
| |
| Pit price (average) | 36 | 8 | 28 | 7 | 30 | 3 | 28 | 7 | 24 | 5 |
| Railway rate (average) | 3 | 4 | 1 | 9 | 5 | 5 | 5 | 5 | 5 | 5 |
| Wagon hire (average) | 1 | 0 | 0 | 9 | 1 | 4 | 1 | 4 | 1 | 4 |
| Distribution charges, including factorage | 8 | 11 | 8 | 7 | 10 | 1½ | 10 | 1½ | 10 | 1½ |
| Retailers' profit | 0 | 8 | 0 | 4 | 1 | 2½ | 1 | 2½ | 1 | 2½ |
| Total—Retail price, delivered | 50 | 7 | 40 | 0 | 48 | 4 | 46 | 8 | 42 | 6 |
| Items of Cost. | Colchester. | Liverpool. | ||||||||||
| Best Silk stone. | Best Bright House. | Hard Kitchen Nust. | Best. | Seconds. | Kitchen. | |||||||
s.
| d.
| s.
| d.
| s.
| d.
| s.
| d.
| s.
| d.
| s.
| d.
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| Pit price | 28 | 0 | 26 | 3 | 22 | 0 | 38 | 0 | 34 | 0 | 26 | 0 |
| Railway rate | 10 | 11 | 11 | 1 | 10 | 7 | 4 | 0 | 3 | 0 | 3 | 0 |
| Wagon hire | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 0 |
| Distribution charges, including factorage | 10 | 3 | 10 | 3 | 10 | 3 | 9 | 3 | 9 | 3 | 9 | 3 |
| Retailers' profit | 0 | 10 | 0 | 5 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 9 | 0 | 9 | 0 | 9 |
| Total—Retail price, delivered | 52 | 0 | 50 | 0 | 45 | 0 | 53 | 0 | 48 | 0 | 40 | 0 |
| NOTES.—1. Since the 25th May the retail selling prices of coal have been reduced. | ||||||||||||
| 2. The figures for Cheltenham differ from those given in the reply on the 29th May. The discrepancies in the earlier figures were discovered by the Coal Merchants' Federation in the subsequent process of verifying the details. | ||||||||||||
| Items of Cost. | Cardiff. | |||||
| Best House. | Best Monmouthshire. | Kitchen. | ||||
s.
| d.
| s.
| d.
| s.
| d.
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| Pit price | 31 | 0 | 26 | 0 | 21 | 6 |
| Railway rate | 3 | 6 | 3 | 0 | 3 | 0 |
| Wagon hire | 1 | 6 | 1 | 6 | 1 | 6 |
| Distribution charges, including factorage | 9 | 0 | 9 | 0 | 9 | 0 |
| Retailers' profit | 1 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 0 |
| Total—Retail price, delivered. | 46 | 0 | 40 | 6 | 36 | 0 |
Unemployment
Benefit Payments (Delays)
asked the Minister of Labour whether he is aware that, owing to the necessity for sending certain forms from the local Employment Exchanges to London, delays of five or six weeks occur in payment of unemployment benefits to applicants; and whether, if such forms are returned stating that nothing stands to the applicant's credit, any appeal from this decision is possible?
Delays of the extent suggested are altogether an exception. The form in question is in the great majority of cases returned in time for the authorisation of any benefit payable to the claimant on the first pay day on which it would be due. Further, the authorisation of uneovenanted benefit (which is the benefit payable to the large majority of claimants) does not depend on this form, but may proceed independently. Unavoidable delay takes place in certain eases, for example, where the particulars supplied by the claimant do not agree with the particulars originally furnished on his entry into insurance, or where he has not returned an expired unemployment book. I will, however, have in- quiries made in any particular case brought to my notice. In regard to the latter part of the question, if benefit is refused on the ground that nothing stands to his credit, the applicant has the usual right of appeal to a Court of Referees.
Southwark Board Of Guardians
asked the Minister of Health whether he is aware that the scale of relief now being granted by the Southwark Board of Guardians is from 6s. to 10s. below the scale approved by him; and whether he will make representations to the Board in question with a view to the scale being raised to a proper level?
I am informed that while the Southwark Board of Guardians look to this scale for guidance, they have not themselves adopted any fixed scale. They consider each case on its merits, and where they are satisfied that a lower amount than the Common Poor Fund scale is adequate, such lower amount is quite properly given. It is no part of my duty, and I certainly have no intention, of making representations to a board of guardians who are not exceeding the scale I have laid down.