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Written Answers

Volume 219: debated on Thursday 5 July 1928

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Written Answers

Royal Indian Marine (Reconstruction)

asked the Under-Secretary of State for India whether it has been decided to complete the reconstruction of the Indian Royal Marine with a view to making it a combatant force; and whether it will assume functions and serve under conditions regarding pay, pensions, etc., as were originally intended for the proposed Royal Indian Navy.

The answer to both parts of the Question is in the affirmative. I append herewith a copy of a communiqué recently issued by the Government of India which explains the situation.

Communiqué.

1. On 21st February, 1928, the Indian Navy (Discipline) Bill was introduced in the Legislative Assembly. The main object of this Measure was to apply the Naval Discipline Act with suitable modifications, to the naval forces raised and maintained by the Governor-General in Council, in order that substantially the same code of discipline should apply to those forces as is in operation in British and Dominion navies. The motion of the Government to refer the Bill to a Select Committee was, however, negatived by one vote, and, in consequence the Government of India have reconsidered their policy in regard to the constitution of an Indian Navy.

2. Alter full consideration and consultation with His Majesty's Government, it has been decided to proceed under the limited powers inherent in existing law, and, in accordance with the recommendations of the Departmental Committee of 1925, to complete the reconstructon of the Royal Indian Marine which has been in process for the last two years in preparation for the inauguration of a Royal Indian Navy, and is already far advanced.

3. The future position will thus be as follows: the Force will continue to be designated "The Royal Indian Marine," but will become a combatant force, and will assume the functions and serve under conditions regarding pay, pensions, etc., which were originally intended for the proposed Royal Indian Navy. The Government of India will continue to follow their declared policy with regard to the recruitment of Indians to commissioned and warrant ranks of the Service, and the rate at which such recruitment should proceed. One commissioned vacancy in three, both in the executive and the engineer branches of the Service, will be reserved for Indians and will be open to competitive examination in India on terms and conditions that will, it is hoped, be announced shortly. The discipline of the Force will continue to be regulated under the Indian Marine Act of 1887 which is in itself a Discipline Act, but the change to combatant status will render enrolment under that Act compulsory instead of, as hitherto, optional in the lower ranks. The extent of the Act is limited to Indian waters, that is to say, the high seas between the Cape of Good Hope on the West and the Straits of Magellan on the East, and any territorial waters between those limits. The command of the reorganised Force will remain vested in the Director of the Marine who will be styled Flag Officer Commanding and Director of the Royal Indian Marine. In the first instance an officer of the Royal Navy of the rank of Rear-Admiral will be lent for this purpose by His Majesty's Government. His appointment will be announced shortly, and will probably take effect from middle of November next. In the meantime, the Force will remain under the command of the present Director—Captain E. J. Headlam, C.S.I., D.S.O., R.I.M. The circumstances in which and the conditions under which the Force may, in emergencies, be placed at the disposal of His Majesty's Government are determined by the relevant provisions of the Government of India Act.

Monument, Field Of Waterloo

asked the Under-Secretary of State for the Home Department, as representing the First Commissioner of Works, whether his attention has been called to the neglected condition of Colonel Alexander Gordon's monument at Mount St. Jean, erected on the field of Waterloo in 1817; and, if so, whether he will direct an adequate sum to be expended annually from the fund devoted to the maintenance of ancient monuments and buildings, in order to preserve this historic monument in a manner creditable to the British Empire?

My Noble Friend regrets that the funds at his disposal cannot be devoted to the care of monuments outside Great Britain.

Prison Sentences

asked the Home Secretary whether the revised and comprehensive statement concerning the differences accorded to prisoners sentenced to periods of hard labour, ordinary imprisonment and imprisonment in the second division, which he stated, on 17th November last, would be issued to all courts of summary jurisdiction at an early date, has yet been issued; and, if not, when its issue may be expected.

A revised statement on these subjects is now being printed. Copies will be circulated to all courts and the press and put on sale, and copies will be placed in the library.

Central Hall, Westminster (Fall Of Ceiling)

asked the Home Secretary whether he has yet received the report of the inquiry into the disaster at the Central Hall, Westminster, caused by the fall of a ceiling; and whether he will institute an inquiry into the cumulative effects of vibration set up by constant heavy traffic upon adjacent buildings.

No report has been made to me, but I understand that the coroner's inquiry concluded yesterday, and I will consult with my right hon. Friend the Minister of Transport as to whether the technical reports available suggest the need for any further investigation.

Non-Inflammable Films

asked the Home Secretary whether a non-inflammable cinema film, satisfactory in other respects besides resistance to combustion, has yet been produced, which would make it feasible to consider prohibiting the use of any other than such non-inflammable film; and whether such a law is already in force in any continental country.

Such films have been on the market for some time and I am watching developments carefully, but I am satisfied that it would not be practicable at present to prohibit the use of the more inflammable films. So far as my information goes, the answer to the second part of the question is in the negative.

Motoring Offences (Return)

asked the Home Secretary whether he will lay upon the Table a Return showing the number of summonses for motoring offences issued on the application of the police in the year 1927 in respect of the Metropolitan police district and of each county and municipal police area, in England and Wales, classified under the headings of dangerous driving, failure to stop on request or after accident, exceeding the speed limit, ineffective brakes, insufficient silencers, obstruction, and other offences?

I regret that the information asked for is not available. The preparation of such a Return for 1927 would involve a considerable expenditure of time and money, but in view of the public interest in the matter, I am arranging for the collection for the second half of this year of figures of the kind indicated with a view to the presentation, as early in the New Year as possible, of a Return the exact contents of which will be settled later.

Police Forces (Naval And Military Officers)

asked the Home Secretary whether he can state from his Statistical Returns the number of pensioned naval and military officers of His Majesty's Regular forces who are at present holding salaried posts under the various police forces, including the constabulary, in England and Wales; the total annual amount of salaries now being drawn by such officers and the total amount of pensions payable to them in respect of their police and other services, respectively?

Industrial Diseases

Lead Poisoning

asked the Home Secretary the number of cases of lead poisoning among painters for the months of January, February, March, April, and May of 1927, and for the same months of 1928; and what steps are taken to see that the Regulations under the Lead Paints Act are being enforced?

The number of cases reported for the first five months of 1927 was 33, and for the same period in 1928, 40. All cases of lead poisoning and complaints are fully investigated by the factory inspectors. It has always been recognised that on account of the special conditions under which the industry is carried on it would be necessary to rely to a large extent on the co-operation of the industry itself for securing general compliance with the Regulations. With this object, conferences were arranged with the employers' and operatives' associations, and I am glad to state that both sides have taken steps to impress on their members the importance of a strict observance of the Regulations and have promised to assist the Department in every possible way.

Statistics

asked the Minister of Health whether any statistics are compiled by his Department showing the amount of money paid in respect of health insurance for occupational sickness and diseases; and whether he will consider the advisability of circulating information to workers so that they may lessen or prevent the ailments to which they may become subject in the course of their occupation?

As approved societies are not generally organised on an occupational basis, it is not possible to compile statistics of the nature referred to by the hon. Member. In regard to the second part of the question, I will confer with my right hon. Friend the Home Secretary.

Government Departments

"P" Class Clerks

asked the Home Secretary the number of "P" (probationary) clerks in his Department and the number of such clerks promoted to established posts at the last convenient date?

The number of permanent, non-pensionable ("P" Class) clerks in the Home Office is 19. Up to the present date three "P" Class clerks have been promoted to established posts.

asked the Secretary of State for Scotland the number of "P" (probationary) clerks in his Department and the number of such clerks promoted to established posts at the last convenient date?

There are no "P" clerks in the Scottish Office, and no clerks of this grade have open promoted to established posts.

asked the Secretary to the Overseas Trade Department the number of "P" (probationary) clerks in his Department and the number of such clerks promoted to established posts at the last convenient date?

Eight "P" Class (permanent unestablished) clerks are employed in my Department. No such clerks have been promoted to established posts, but the promotion of one is at present under consideration.

asked the First Lord of the Admiralty the number of "P" (probationary) clerks in his Department and the number of such clerks promoted to established posts at the last convenient date?

Two hundred and seventy-seven "P" (permanent non-pensionable) clerks are borne. No promotions have yet been made.

asked the President of the Board of Education the number of "P" (probationary) clerks in his Department and the number of such clerks promoted to established posts at the last convenient date?

The number of "P" Class (permanent non-pensionable) clerks now employed at the Board of Education is 36. Up to the present, 26 such clerks have been promoted to the established clerical grade.

asked the Minister of Agriculture the number of "P" (probationary) clerks in his Department and the number of such clerks promoted to established posts at the last convenient date?

I presume the hon. Member refers to permanent unestablished clerk's. The present number is 30, and the number promoted to date to established posts is 4.

Post Office (Lighthouse Communication)

asked the Postmaster-General whether the Post Office staff are engaged on work for Trinity House on electrical communication with lighthouses and light vessels; and the number of men so engaged and the places where they are employed?

No Post Office staff is exclusively engaged on work for Trinity House. The communications with the Trinity House lighthouses are part of the public telephone system and are worked and maintained by Post Office staff in ordinary course. The wireless telephone installations on light vessels are not provided or worked by the Post Office.

Goal Industry

Ships' Fuel (Pulverised Coal)

asked the First Lord of the Admiralty why the Admiralty has turned down an application from coalowners and others for permission to conduct experiments with pulverised coal on an old man-of-war; and whether, seeing the position of the coal industry, he will reconsider that decision?

The Admiralty are willing to lend a small obsolete warship suitable for such experiments.

Mining Ventures

asked the Secretary of Mines whether his attention has been called to the commencement in various parts of the country of new coal-mining ventures; and whether, in view of the known excess of capacity of existing mines beyond present needs, he will take powers to prohibit such ventures at present?

The reply to the first part of the question is in the affirmative, and to the latter part in the negative.

Scotland

Land Seizure, Prosecutions (Lochmaddy)

asked the Lord Advocate the terms of the decision of the Court of Session which ordered the release of Neil Macdonald and Ewan MacLennan?

The Interlocutor of the Court of Session is in these terms:

"Edinburgh, 27th June, 1928. The Lords having considered the Note for the Appellants Neil Macdonald, Shepherd, Scarristaveg Harris, and Ewan MacLennan, Joiner, residing at Scarista, Harris, and heard Counsel, order ad interim the immediate liberation of the said Appellants presently incarcerated in the prison of Inverness, and grant Warrant to the Governor of said Prison accordingly. Dispense with the printing and boxing of the Note of Appeal Record and Interlocutors, and allow the same to be received in Typewritten form: Further extend the time for lodging the Note of Appeal Record and Interlocutors until the 11th day of July, 1928, and Decern."
(Signed) ROBERT MUNRO, I.P.D.

Land Settlement, Harris

asked the Secretary of State for Scotland if there has been at any time since May, 1912, when Neil Macdonald and Ewan MacLellan, who were sentenced to four months imprisonment at Lochmaddy on 14th June, 1928, for occupying land, applied for smallholdings, land which could have been offered to these men?

Land settlement schemes have been promoted in Harris since 1912, but, in allocating the available holdings, the claims of other applicants were considered stronger than those of the two men mentioned in the question.

Imperial College Of Science

asked the President of the Board of Education whether he is aware of the neglected condition, externally and internally, of the block of architecture erected by the Government over 50 years ago in the Exhibition Road for a normal school of science; and, if so, pending a decision as to its future use, will he consider the advisability of taking steps to arrest further consequences of the neglect in question?

I have been asked to reply to this question, as it is believed that the building referred to is that on the cast side of Exhibition Road, occupied by a section of the Imperial College of Science. My hon. Friend is under a misapprehension in believing it to be in a neglected condition. The Office of Works are responsible for its external and structural maintenance, and in those respects the building is in sound condition, except as regards the decorative terra cotta dressings. These have suffered from the action of the weather, and inquiries are at present being made as to the best way of dealing with them. Responsibility for internal decorative maintenance lies with the authorities of the college who, it is understood, propose to carry out re-decoration during the coming vacation.

Education (School Leaving Age)

asked the President of the Board of Education how many education authorities in England, Scotland, and Wales have raised the school leaving age to 15?

Four local authorities in England and Wales—Carnarvonshire, East Suffolk, Plymouth, and Cornwall—have raised the age of compulsory attendance to 15. As regards Scotland, I must ask the hon. Member to address his question to my right hon. Friend the Secretary of State for Scotland.

Naval And Military Pensions And Grants

asked the Minister of Pensions if he has issued any instructions affecting the payment of an allowance in respect to the wife of a man who, by reason of his employment taking him so far from his home, cannot meanwhile reside at his home other than at weekends; and whether he will see that any such pensioners who are compelled to reside temporarily from their homes owing to employment will not be penalised?

No distinction as regards the payment of the allowance in question is, or has ever been, made between men whose circumstances are such as stated by the hon. Member and those who live continuously at home.

Russia (Trading Relations)

asked the Secretary to the Overseas Trade Department whether he is aware that the German exporter is able to insure with the German Government CO per cent. of the value of legitimate transactions with Russian traders; and whether he will consider adopting a similar policy in this country?

I am aware of the existence of a scheme whereby the exporters of certain classes of goods from Germany to Russia are able to insure 60 per cent. of the value of such exports under the auspices partly of the Central German Government and partly of the State Government concerned. The answer to the second part of the question is in the negative.

His Majesty's Ship "Dauntless" (Grounding)

His Majesty's Ship "Dauntless" (Grounding)

asked the First Lord of the Admiralty whether he has any statement to make on the grounding of the cruiser "Dauntless"?

His Majesty's Ship "Dauntless" grounded on the Thrum Cap shoal at 2 p.m. on 2nd July. The vessel was on her way into Halifax Harbour and the weather was foggy. The shoal she struck is to starboard of the channel going in, and is about 5½ miles from Halifax. Her two boiler rooms have been pierced and are open to the sea for their whole length on her port side, and the majority of her compartments forward of these boiler-rooms are not watertight below the upper deck. These boiler rooms are situated about the middle of the total length of the ship. The working of the ship in the swell after grounding has also crashed in the starboard side of the boiler rooms for a length of about five feet. Salvage work is proceeding. The ultimate refloating of the vessel is at the moment very uncertain, fine weather being the most important factor required for the salvage work. The main body of the crew were disembarked at 8 p.m. on the 2nd, as it was considered possible that the ship might break up, and they could be of no further use on board. No lives were lost.

Municipal Aerodromes

asked the Secretary of State for Air how many, and which, local authorities have yet established, or have formulated definite schemes for establishing, municipal landing grounds for civil aircraft; what municipalities have approached his Department for expert advice or financial assistance in the acquisition of sites; does: he extend such financial help where necessary; and, if so, how much has been expended up to the present in this manner?

There is in existence no municipal aerodrome or landing-ground, but a definite scheme for an aerodrome has been formulated by the Corporation of Blackpool. In addition to Blackpool, the following municipalities have asked for expert advice: Bognor, Bristol, Chester, Leeds, Leicester, Littlehampton, Morecambe, Portsmouth, Scarborough, Skegness and Worthing. Financial assistance has not been specifically requested and could not in any case be given from public funds. The only expenditure falling on the Air Ministry has been in respect of the travelling expenses of officials who have visited the proposed sites. I may add that, in addition to the municipalities above mentioned, Glasgow, Liverpool, Manchester and Plymouth are understood to have the question of establishing municipal aerodromes under consideration.

Unemployment (Miners)

asked the Minister of Labour whether private instructions of any kind, verbal or written, have been sent to mining areas in Great Britain instructing Exchange officials that a certain number of men in each area must be periodically offered vacancies for work in London or other towns, cities, or townships; and will he inform the House whether there is any shortage anywhere in the country of unskilled labour or labour needed for any occupation which a miner could be expected to fill; and, if there is such shortage anywhere, will he inform the House of the name of the district and the type of work for which men are needed?

I presume the hon. Member refers to the efforts which the Department are making to find work in other districts for some of the men from the depressed mining areas for whom, so far as can be foreseen, there is no prospect of work in those areas. The normal procedure of the Employment Exchanges is to exhaust the possibilities of the local supply of suitable labour before proceeding further afield. There are, however, as is well known, large aggregations of unemployed men in some areas, and at the same time a brisk demand for labour in others. In these circumstances my right hon. Friend has made certain modifications, of a limited kind and with due safeguards, in the normal procedure. In areas in which employment in general is good, an endeavour is being made to throw open some share of the vacancies to unemployed men from the hard-pressed areas. My right hon. Friend is satisfied that this is the only proper course to take, in view of the circumstances of the depressed mining areas and the relative prosperity of other parts of the country.

asked the Minister of Labour how many men have been brought from the provinces, especially the mining areas, to fill positions in the County of London and the nature and character of the work these men were brought to perform; and will he state which Exchanges in London were asked to fill the vacancies and declined to do so on the plea that no suitable men were available for the situations thus offered?

I cannot give separate figures for the County of London, but during the past four weeks about 270 men from mining areas have been found work in the South-East Division under the special arrangements which I described in answer to an earlier question to-day. The men were placed in a great variety of occupations, but chiefly in labouring or unskilled work of one kind or another. I do not clearly understand the last part of the question, but I may say the Exchanges would not refuse to accept notification of a vacancy on the ground that suitable men are not available locally.

Welsh Board Of Health

asked the Minister of Health whether any considerations other than economy were responsible for his decision not to appoint a new chairman for the Welsh Board of Health; and if he can indicate what these were?

The answer is in the affirmative, as my hon. Friend will see by reference to the answers given on this subject to the hon. Members for Cardiff, East (Sir C. Kinloch-Cooke) and South (Captain A. Evans) on 25th and 28th June.

Poor Law (Dried Milk West Ham)

asked the Minister of Health the objections of his inspector to the present scale of expenditure and method of distribution of dried milk to the necessitous portion of the people of the County Borough of West Ham?

I am not aware that any inspector of my Department has recently taken exception to these matters.

Building Development (Control)

asked the Minister of Health, in view of the rapid growth of the Metropolitan area, if he is prepared to recommend measures to preserve free of buildings a belt of open country round London, and to restrain what is described as riband development along main traffic routes?

The general question of control of development is now under consideration by the Regional Committee for Greater London, as well as by district regional committees and town planning authorities. I shall be glad to give sympathetic consideration to any proposed measures of the kind mentioned. Proposals have to be conditioned, of course, by questions of finance.

Mental Defectives, London

asked the Minister of Health whether his attention has been called to the pressure on the existing accommodation for cases of mental defect for which the London County Council has to make provision; the total accommodation available for such cases in institutions provided for London by the Metropolitan Asylum Board; and what proportion of that accommodation is at present occupied by cases chargeable to the local authorities of other areas than London?

I am aware of the difficulties, and the matter is under the consideration of the Board of Control at the present time. The total number of beds provided for mental defectives by the Metropolitan Asylum Board is 2,415, of which 981 are occupied by London cases.

Girl's Death, Tooting

asked the Minister of Health the cause of death as shown on the certificate relating to Ellen Florence Sargent, aged 16, of 10, Headworth Road, Tooting; and if expert examination was made of the meninges, medulla, spinal cord, and other parts of the central nerve system?

The cause of this death was entered in the death register as "coma-uraemia," as certified by the coroner after post-mortem examination and inquest. The information at my disposal does not enable me to answer the second question.

Public Health

Diseases, West Ham

asked the Minister of Health whether his Department is informed through the local medical officers of health of the crude attack rates of measles, diphtheria, and scarlet fever; if so, whether he will publish them for the West Ham Union for 1924, 1925, 1926, 1927, and 1928, respectively; and, if not, will he take steps to procure them?

My Department receives from the local medical officersTABLE showing numbers of DEATHS classified as due to CHILDBIRTH, and rates per 1,000 live births, for England and Wales and for West Ham County Borough, for the years 1924–1927.

Year.England and Wales.West. Ham County Borough.
Deaths due to Childbirth.Deaths due to Childbirth.
No.Per 1,000 live births.No.Per 1,000 live births.
19242,8473·90121·66
19252,9004·08202·85
19262,8604·12131·94
1927 (provisional figures)2,6904·11183·00

Housing

Overcrowding, West Ham

asked the Minister of Health if he is aware that the ratio of the increase in the population in the county borough of West Ham far exceeds the degree of house building and accommodation; as this contributes to overcrowding and ill-health, what steps he proposes to take to deal with the matter: and what overtures have been made between the local authority and his Department for the construction of dwellings to cope with the need?

of health each week particulars of the numbers of cases of notifiable diseases occurring in their areas, and the crude attack rates for each year per 1,000 of the civilian population are worked out from the figures so supplied. Measles is not a notifiable disease in any of the administrative areas included in the West Ham Union, but particulars of the numbers of cases, and the attack fates, of diphtheria and scarlet fever in each of these areas have already been published for the years 1924, 1925 and 1926, in Table 28 of Part I of the Registrar-General's Statistical Review. Similar particulars for 1927 and 1928 will be published in due course in the Statistical Review for those years.

Maternal Mortality

asked the Minister of Health the maternal mortality figures for England and Wales for 1924 to 1927, and for the county borough of West Ham for the same periods?

I would refer the hon. Member to the reply given yesterday to his question on this subject.

Rent

asked the Minister of Health whether his attention has been called to the different rents paid by occupiers of houses in the same locality for similar three-bedroomed parlour type, three-bedroomed non-parlour type, and the two-bedroomed type built under the Addison and Wheatley Acts, respectively; whether he is aware that much dissatisfaction exists among tenants paying the higher rents; and whether he will consider the advisability of enabling local authorities to submit schemes, or suggestions, whereby the cost of reducing the higher rents to a common level may be met?

I am aware that in certain instances different rents are charged for houses of similar accommodation provided under the Acts of 1919 and 1924. I am always prepared to consider any proposals that may be put before me by local authorities, but I would remind the hon. Member that the rents of the houses in question have to be determined with reference to the Regulations made under the Act of 1919, and the conditions laid down in the Act of 1924 respectively.