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Volume 156: debated on Monday 4 July 1932

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Written Answers

British Army

Thompson Machine Gun

asked the Secretary of State for War whether he can give any particulars of the Thompson machine gun; what is its weight, calibre, rate of fire, and the capacity of the magazine; and whether he has any information as to the number of these weapons which have been imported into Ireland?

The answer to the first part of the question is in the affirmative. With the hon. and gallant Member's permission, I will circulate the technical details in the OFFICIAL REPORT. The answer to the last part of the question is in the negative.

The particulars of the Thompson machine gun are as follow:

  • Weight.—10¼ lbs.
  • Bore diameter.—444 inches.
  • Rate of fire.—950 rounds per minute.
  • Magazines of two types:
  • (a) 20 rounds zig-zag.
  • (b) circular drums of 50 and 100 rounds.

Depots, Didcot And Hilsea

asked the Financial Secretary to the War Office whether, in view of the heavy expenditure incurred in the building construction of the Ordnance Depot, Hilsea Lines, Portsmouth, he will state the reason for the removal of various stores, i.e., camp equipment, etc., to Didcot; and the comparative cost of the upkeep of the two establishments?

I am not aware what particular transfer of stores the hon. Member has in mind, but the character of the two depots is quite different, the Central Ordnance Depot at Didcot being much larger and holding much greater reserves than Hilsea, which is maintained principally for local transactions and for holding mobilisation equipment. No doubt, therefore, any stores transferred to Didcot were surplus to the requirements for which Hilsea is maintained. I am not yet in a position to give the figures asked for in the last part of the question, but I will communicate further with the hon. Member in due course.

Royal Irish Constabulary (Sergeant H Mckenzie)

asked the Secretary of State for the Colonies whether he has any information with reference to the fate of Sergeant Herbert McKenzie, Royal Irish Constabulary, of Swatragh, County Derry, who was captured on the 19th of March last outside Maghera, County Derry, when the Royal Irish Constabulary barracks were raided in that town by the Irish Republican Army; and what steps have been taken to secure the release and safety of this servant of the Crown?

I regret that I am not as yet in possession of any information as to the fate of Sergeant McKenzie, but I am in communication with the Provisional Government, who are making inquiries in the matter.

British West Africa

asked the Secretary of State for the Colonies whether his attention has been called to the criticisms of the methods of commerce and taxation in British West Africa, whereby it is alleged that the enterprise of the native is being killed; whether official information corroborates this view; and, if so, what effort is being made to restore prosperity on the West Coast, which has normally been of a very encouraging nature?

It is not possible to deal satisfactorily with so wide a subject by means of question and answer, but it will no doubt be one of the matters for discussion in Debate this afternoon.

Impeeial Wireless Chain

asked the Postmaster-General whether, seeing that the Dominions are either abstaining from or acting independently of the British Post Office scheme for an Empire wireless chain, he will invite the Dominion Governments to co-operate in setting up an Imperial Wireless Board on which the various parts of the Empire would be represented, and which, while controlling the policy, would leave wireless experts and business men to develop the wireless chain on progressive lines?

The Imperial wireless chain is under consideration by the Government, and I am not in a position to make any statement to-day.

Greece And Turkey

asked the Prime Minister whether he can report any progress in the steps being taken to bring about peace with Turkey and between Greece and Turkey; and what is now being done towards this end?

I would refer the hon. and gallant Member to the reply which I gave to my hon. Friend the Member for Stafford (Mr. Ormsby-Gore) yesterday.

Income Tax

ask the Chancellor of the Exchequer if the £64,000,000 sterling of unpaid Income Tax is owing mainly by small or by large Income Tax payers; whether the same measure of consideration for temporary financial stringency is shown to the former as to the latter; and whether instructions to that effect will be given in connection with the demand notes just issued for the second payments this year?

No information is available on the first part of the question without detailed inquiry, which I could not authorise on account of the expenditure of time and labour which would be involved. My hon. Friend may rest assured that consideration is shown impartially to all classes of taxpayers who are for the moment financially embarrassed, and that it will be shown, as regards payments due on the 1st July, in the same manner as it has been shown as regards the payments due on the 1st January last.

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer whether he will consider a revision of the system under which the full amount of Income Tax is deducted monthly from the pay of junior officers, though the majority are not liable to pay 2s. 6d. in the £; and, having regard to the delay and expense occasioned in the recovery of over payment of tax, whether he will relieve young officers, especially those serving abroad, from this incubus?

My hon. and gallant Friend is under a misapprehension. Income Tax is deducted from the pay of Army officers on the basis of the actual pay for the year of assessment, the amount of tax due from each officer being estimated at the beginning of the year by reference to the allowances and deductions to which he was entitled for the previous year. The tax is then deducted in equal monthly instalments, any necessary adjustments being at once made on receipt of the officer's Income Tax return for the year. I do not think there is any reason to revise this system, which has worked satisfactorily for many years, and which, with minor variations, is adopted in other Departments of State.

Excess Profits Duty

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer the amount received between 1st April and 24th June, 1922, of the Excess Profits Duty after deducting the rebates made between the above dates?

The amount of Excess Profits Duty (including munitions levy) repaid from the 1st April to the 24th June, 1922, exceeded the amount received.

Safeguarding Of Industries Act

Key Industry Duty

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer the amount of duties

Commodity.Five Months, January to May, inclusive.
1920.1921.1922.
GLOVES:
Of woven fabric:Dozen Pairs.Dozen Pairs.Dozen Pairs.
Silk1,44911,1524,221
Other2,01425,963223,563
Knitted, netted or crochetted, including gloves of knitted fabric
Of cotton14,335232,656541,051
Of wool5572201,464
Of other textile materials, not woven1,1862,24432,187
GLOVE FABRICInformation not available.
Cwts.Cwts.Cwts.
DOMESTIC AND FANCY GLASSWARE (including cooking utensils, table glassware, ornamental glassware).31,00029,112235,376
DOMESTIC HOLLOW-WARE:Tons.Tons.Tons.
Of aluminium153251819
Of iron or steel:
Cast, enamelled2986311,225
Wrought, enamelled7782,5063,782

collected up to the end of June under the Key Industries Schedule on commodities which have been declared by the Referee to have been improperly included in the lists issued by the Board of Trade?

I assume that the hon. Member is referring to the Key Industry Duty collected on goods which have been subsequently removed from the Board of Trade lists. The amount of duty as from the 1st. October last is £11,447.

German Gloves And Hollow-Ware

asked the President of the Board of Trade what were the imports from Germany for the first five months of 1920, 1921 and 1922 of fabric gloves, glove fabric, domestic glassware, and domestic hollow-ware of aluminium and of steel or wrought iron enamelled?

The following statement shows, for the commodities specified, the quantity of imports into the United Kingdom registered during the first five months of 1920, 1921, and 1922 as consigned from Germany, so far as particulars are available. Separate particulars of imports of domestic glassware cannot be given for these periods:

Immigrants (Landing Tax)

asked the Secretary to the Treasury what would have been the product of a tax on passengers landing in Great Britain during the financial year 1921–22 applied on the same basis as is the case in the United States?

The information available is not sufficient to enable any reliable? estimate to be made, but the yield of the suggested tax would probably be well under £500,000 a year.

Old Age Pensions

asked the Financial Secretary to the Treasury whether he is now in a position to furnish the following desired particulars as to old age pensions: particulars as to year ended 31st March, 1922; total amount paid in pensions; the total cost of administration; the total number of pensions actually payable on the first Friday in March, 1922, stating those for men and those for women separately in both cases; the number of pensions paid at the varying rates of 10s., 9s., 8s., 7s., 6s., 5s., 4s., 3s., 2s., and 1s.; the number of applications for pensions; the number of applications rejected, giving various causes of rejection, age, poor relief, means, and other causes; the number of pensioners of whose deaths notifications have reached the office of the pensions officers during the year ended as above; the number of paupers over 70 years of age in England, Scotland and Wales, and in institutions, stating the average cost per head per annum; the number of paupers over 70 years of age in receipt of outdoor relief, stating the average cost per head per annum of men and women separately in both cases; the average weekly cost of a convict in penal servitude and prisoner in ordinary prisons for the year ended as above; and the number of persons over 70 years of age in prisons and penal servitude during the year ended as above?

The particulars desired by my hon. Friend with regard to old ago pensions during the year ended 31st March, 1922, so far as they are available, are as follow:(1) Total amount paid in pensions.— Approximately, £26,009,500, exclu- sive of the cost of pensions in Northern Ireland from the 1st December, 1921.(2) Total cost of administration.— Expenses of pensions committees, £59,350, approximately. Expenses of administration by Government Departments concerned, including cost of payment by the Post Office, printing of pensions books and forms, cost of appeals, searches in registers, estimated at £998,803. (

See note to Estimates, Civil Service, Class 6, Vote 2, 1921–22.)

(3) Total number of pensions payable to men and to women on last-Friday in March, 1922:

Men366,255
Women663,112
1,029,367

(4) Number of pensions paid at the various rates (on last Friday in March, 1922):

958,909at10s.rate.
27,767at8s.rate.
19,500at6s.rate.
823at5s.rate.
13,937at4s.rate.
117at3s.rate.
6,653at2s.rate.
1,661at1s.rate.
Total1,029,367

(5) Number of applications for pensions, 202,208.

(6) Number of applications rejected. The only figures available are the combined figures of claims rejected and pensions revoked, which are as follow:

Age15,603
Poor relief14,735
Means19,475
Other causes2,224

(7) Number of pensioners of whose deaths information reached the pension officers, 114,413.

(8) The number of persons over 70 years of age in England and Wales in institutions (other than lunatic asylums) and in receipt of out-door relief on the 1st January, 1922, the latest date for which figures are available, is as follows:

Institutional Relief.Domiciliary Relief.Totals.
(i) Total number of persons (all ages)222,2681,183,5161,405,784
(ii) Number of persons over 70 years of age (included in (i) above.)42,69221,27863,970
(iii) Number of old age pensioners (included in (ii) above).3,19019,08422,274

(9) Average weekly cost of Poor Law relief in England and Wales in the financial year 1920–21 (approximate):

s.d.
(i) Average cost of institutional relief (other than relief to lunatics in lunatic asylums) per person in receipt of such relief35
(ii) Average cost of domiciliary relief per person in receipt of such relief7

Males.Females.Dependants.Total.
Sane Poor;—
In Poorhouses6,0443,89047310,407
Outdoor (Ordinary)9,70725,90736,27271,886
Outdoor (Destitute able-bodied unemployed).26331,2121,478
Other than Sane Poor:—
In Licensed Wards of Poorhouses and Greenock Parochial Asylum.5275381,065
In Asylums6,4136,41212,825
In Private Dwellings1,1131,3952,508

The average weekly cost of all sane paupers and dependants in Scotland for 1920–21, on the basis of the number chargeable (other than destitute able-bodied), at 15th May, 1921, was:

£s.d.
Indoor176
Outdoor70

These average costs are exclusive of general administrative charges. Indoor

Males.Females.Dependants.Total.
15th September, 1921:—
In Poorhouses1,2471,044112,302
Outdoor9722,6801843,836
15th January, 1922:—
In Poorhouses1,3161,065142,395
Outdoor1,0972,8092204,126

These averages cover the same items and are subject to the same qualifications as those previously furnished for the year 1918–19 and earlier years and set out on page 148 of Part III of the First Annual Report of the Minister of Health (Command Paper 932). I regret that it has not been found practicable to give the average cost per head for men and women separately.

(10) The number of paupers and dependants of all classes in Scotland at 15th May, 1921, was:

cost includes cost of maintenance, management, debt charges, etc., of poor-houses. Outdoor cost includes aliment, additional aliments (namely, clothing, boots, fuel, etc.), removals, interments and medical charges.

The number of sane paupers and dependants in Scotland over 70 at 15th September, 1921, and l5th January, 1922, was:

These outdoor poor include old age pensioners as follows:

At 15th September, 19216711,8871182,676
At 15th January, 19227712,0241362,931

There were also lunatic poor of 70 years of age and upwards who cannot be allocated between indoor and outdoor:

Males.Females.Total.
At 15th September, 19214267211,147
At 15th January, 19224117091,120

(11) The average weekly cost of prisoners in England and Wales for the financial year 1920–21, which is the latest for Which figures are available, is as follows:

Convicts.

Per week.
£s.d.
Gross cost339
Net cost after deducting value of labour and incidental receipts297

Local Prisoners.

Gross cost224
Net cost after deductions as above1126

(12) The number of persons over 70 years of age in prisons and penal servitude during the year ended 31st March, 1922, is not available.

Friendly Societies Returns (Fee)

asked the Financial Secretary to the Treasury on which Vote it will be possible for a discussion to take place on the proposal to impose a charge of 10s. upon friendly societies for each annual return made?

Dangerous Drugs Act (Penalties)

asked the Home Secretary whether he has considered means by which severer penalties shall be imposed upon those responsible for the introduction and disposal of harmful and insidious drugs and narcotics?

I hope before long to introduce a short Bill increasing the penalties which may be imposed under the Dangerous Drugs Act.

Motor Hooters

asked the Home Secretary if his attention has been called to the disturbance caused in towns to residents by shrieking motor hooters; and will he issue orders to ensure that only hooters with a low note are to be used except in country districts?

I have been asked to reply to this question. Some complaints have been received as to the undue noise made by certain motor hooters. The Departmental Committee on the Regulation of Road Vehicles in their Second Interim Report, paragraph 235, stated that they had considered the question of making compulsory the use of a standardised horn or other instrument for giving warning of approach, but that they did not consider that at the present time this matter called for any special recommen- dation. The Government have no power to issue orders as suggested by my hon. and gallant Friend.

Food Prices (Comparative Figures)

asked the President of the Board of Trade if, taking all the chief articles of popular consumption, he will give the average War prices and the average prices now in comparative form?

As prices generally were rising throughout the War, it would be necessary, in order to compute the

AVERAGE PRICES, in the United Kingdom generally, returned to the Ministry of Labour as paid by working-class consumers for the undermentioned commodities (a) at July, 1914 (6) at various dates during the war, and (c) at 1st June, 1922.
Commodity.July, 1914.1st July, 1915.1stJuly, 1916.1st July, 1917.1st July, 1918.1st Nov., 1918.1st June, 1922.
s.d.s.d.s.d.s.d.s.d.s.d.s.d.
British beef—
Ribs per lb.01141116181
Thin Plank per lb.00011¾11113011¼
Beef Chilled or Frozen—
Ribs per lb.0010½1141618010¾
Thin Flank per lb.0001110
Mutton, British—
Legs per lb.010¼1141171110½
Breast per lb.00011½1011¾111
Mutton, Frozen—
Legs per lb.0011417191
Breast per lb.0400910011110
Bacon (streaky)* per lb.011¼1112231
Flour per 7 lb.010½11110¼141416
Bread per 4lb.000011½0909010¼
Tea per lb.1111½22828282
Sugar (granulated) per lb.02000607070
Milk per quart00000600
Butter—
Fresh per lb.1117111¾226110
Salt per lb.1211111¼22619
Cheese (Canadian or U.S.) per lb.011½111511811
Margarine per lb.0001101207
Eggs (fresh) each0000000
Potatoes per lb.00010011¾00010¼
* If this kind is seldom dealt with in a locality, the Returns quote the price of another kind locally representative.

Housing

State-Aided Houses (Rents)

asked the Minister of Health whether he will grant a Return showing the weekly net rent for each type

average price paid for each commodity during the War, to take account of the variations in the quantities consumed at different dates, details of which are not available. The following table, however, shows, for each of the principal articles of food as to which figures are collected by the Ministry of Labour, the average retail prices paid by working class consumers in the United Kingdom generally (a) at July, 1914, ( b) at various dates during the War, and ( c) at 1st June, 1922. Corresponding figures for 1st July are now being compiled and will be published in the next issue of the Ministry of Labour Gazette, which will be issued about the 18th July:—

of house erected under the State-assisted schemes throughout the country?

supplied the following return in pursuance of his answer of 3rd July, 1922 Cot. 50]:

HOUSING ACT, 1919.
RETURN of Weekly Rents proposed by various Local Authorities and assented to by the Minister of Health or awarded by the Rents Tribunal in respect of Houses erected under Assisted Housing Schemes (the figures shown are exclusive of Rates, Taxes and Water Charges).

Scale of Weekly Rents.

Type of House.Type of Local Authority.21s. to 21s. 11d.20s. to 20s. 11d.19s. to 19s. 11d.18s. to 18s. 11d.17s. to 17s. 11d.16s. to 16s. 11d.15s. to 15s. 11d.14s. to 14s. 11d.13s. to 13s. 11d.12s. to 12s. 11d.11s. to 11s. 11d.10s. to 10s. 11d.9s. to 9s. 11d.8s. to 8s. 11d.7s. to 7s. 11d.6s. to 6s. 11d.5s. to 5s. 11d.4s. to 4s. 11d.Total Number of Rents agreed.
A. 2.
Living-room, scullery and 2 bedrooms.Number of Boroughs11215811831
Urban Districts12337103
Rural Districts132
Totals1121391121206176
A. 3.
Living-room, scullery and 3 bedrooms.Number of Boroughs123472217445252368
Urban Districts1253817708110471162
Rural Districts277534310513189508
Totals135111037411671762612381135281,123
A. 4.
Living-room, scullery and 4 bedrooms.Number of Boroughs112321
Urban Districts11211111
Rural Districts121
Totals112415521123
B. 2.
Parlour, living-room, scullery and 2 bedrooms.Number of Boroughs11121211
Urban Districts222221
Rural Districts11
Totals113233432123
B. 3.
Parlour, livingroom, scullery and 3 bedrooms.Number of Boroughs11448181232485171321651
Urban Districts1335101840868111881542131
Rural Districts28610464111559859336151
Totals1117715363682180173304172155119401611,346
B. 4.
Parlour, living-room, scullery and 4 bedrooms.Number of Boroughs13321881325111012
Urban Districts14l51520713181612115
Rural Districts1112511781111
Totals14394838173154343013811256

Ckown Tenants, London (Alleged Dissatisfaction)

asked the Minister of Agriculture whether his attention has been called to paragraph 18 of the Re-port of the Committee on Crown and Government Lands, and, in particular, to the statement therein that the committee had heard evidence showing that there is dissatisfaction on the part of the Crown tenants with the present management of these, that is, London properties; whether particulars of such evidence were submitted to the Commissioners and an opportunity given to them to give evidence as to the alleged dissatisfaction; and whether, in view of the condemnation of public servants and professional men implied in the paragraph, the Government will arrange for the publication of all the evidence taken by the Committee, so that Members of this House and the general public may be able to form their own opinion?

My attention has been called to the paragraph referred to. The witness who gave evidence on behalf of the Commissioners was not invited to give evidence as to the alleged dissatisfaction on the part of the Crown tenants, which appears to have been suggested by a later witness. The particulars of the evidence given by that witness have not been communicated to the Commissioners, and no opportunity was given to the Commissioners of giving evidence to rebut or explain his statements. I will make inquiries as to whether the evidence on this subject can be published.

Transport Charges

asked the Parliamentary Secretary to the Ministry of Transport whether, in order to stimulate trade and in view of the prevailing unemployment, he is taking all steps in his power to ensure at the earliest possible moment a great reduction in railway, dock, and transport charges; and if he will state the approximate average percentage of increase of the present railway rates for the carriage of goods and minerals over those prevailing immediately before the War, and also the amount of tonnage of goods and minerals carried on the railways of Great Britain according to the latest annual returns since the War and immediately before the War, respectively?

I am in sympathy with the hon. Member's desire for a reduction in the cost of charges of transport, although I am not clear what steps he expects me to take. The Ministry of Transport has no control over railway charges, but the provisions of Part III of the Railways Act give to traders and to the public generally the fullest rights of applying to the Railway Rates Tribunal for the reduction of any charge or charges which are felt to be too high. Such an application for a general reduction in rates has been made by the Federation of British Industries, and will shortly be heard by the Tribunal.In regard to dock and canal charges, I would refer the hon. Member to the Bills now before Parliament, under which the charges of all such undertakings in possession of temporary powers will come under review by the Rates Advisory Committee, and can be revised if necessary. The average increase in railway rates, when the revision of September, 1920, was fully operative, was stated by the railway companies to be about 112 per cent., but reductions in respect of certain traffics (mainly raw materials) have been effected since last autumn. For information as to the amount of tonnage carried in 1913 and in 1921, respectively, I would refer the hon. Member to the Railway Returns (Preliminary Statement) for 1921, issued by my Department in March last and published by the Stationery Office. The principal figures for standard gauge railways in Great Britain are as follow:

1913.1921 (preliminary).
General merchandise67,743,93150,511,000
Coal, coke, and patent fuel225,554,084128,022,000
Other minerals70,364,34338,955,000
364,162,358217,488,000