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Written Answers

Volume 329: debated on Friday 3 December 1937

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Written Answers

Irish Free State (Migrants To Great Britain)

asked the Secretary of State for Dominion Affairs whether he is now in a position to furnish the House with the Report of the Inter-Departmental Committee on Irish Free State immigration into this Country?

Yes, Sir. A Committee composed of representatives of the Home Office, Board of Trade, Ministry of Health, Ministry of Labour, Scottish Office and Dominions Office was appointed in April to elucidate the facts as to the extent of migration from the Irish Free State to Great Britain.It was shown that the figures of passenger traffic across the Irish Channel between Irish Free State ports and ports in Great Britain, taking the difference between traffic in one direction and traffic in the other, disclose a considerable increase in traffic into Great Britain. The figures, after allowing for persons known not to be migrating to the United Kingdom, rose from about it, 11,000 in 1934 to 14,000 in 1935 and 24,000 in 1936. The figures for the first four months of 1937 suggest that the increase shown in the 1936 figures is probably continuing this year, although in this connection the possibility of a special influx of visitors in connection with the Coronation must be borne in mind.These figures do not, however, give a complete picture, since on the one hand they include Irish Free State migrants to and from the Continent of Europe who travel via the United Kingdom, and on the other hand omit persons from the Irish Free State who cross the land frontier into Northern Ireland and proceed to Great Britain from there. As regards the latter point it seems probable that traffic from Northern Ireland ports is mainly directed to Scotland; such information as has been obtained from Scotland suggests that this traffic consists in about equal numbers of persons of Northern Ireland and of Irish Free State (especially County Donegal) origin.The traffic figures across the Irish Channel show marked seasonal variations. There is a considerable influx to Great Britain in the first and third quarters of the year, counterbalanced by departures in the fourth quarter. This is no doubt due to a considerable number of persons coming for temporary agricultural employment; figures obtained from recent statistics kept in connection with the extension of Unemployment Insurance to agricultural workers suggest that the number in 1936 was approximately 3,000.It may be noted that Irish Free State figures of net emigration to the United Kingdom and the Continent during the period 1926–1936 show a distribution of men to women in the proportion 31 47.As regards Unemployment Insurance statistics, the figures of persons coming from insurable employment in the Irish Free State to insurable employment in Great Britain (excluding agriculture, the most recent figures for which are given above) show a similar increase from an average of about 2,000 in the years 1932 to 1934, to 2,900 in 1935 and 6,000 in 1936. Information is not yet available as to the numbers coming from uninsurable employment in the Irish Free State to insurable employment in Great Britain, but steps are being taken to ascertain the number of such persons as from the 1st April, 1937. Satisfactory statistics would not, however, be available for about a year from that date.As regards Health Insurance, the latest figures available, those of transfers dealt with in 1936, do not show any appreciable increase. The number of transfers to England dealt with in the year was 1,479. (It can be taken that migration occurred about a year before transfer.) Figures for the years 1930 to 1936 show a net excess of transfers to England over transfers to the Irish Free State of about 800 to 900 a year. (These figures are not, however, regarded as affording a complete picture since, in many cases, there is probably a failure to report previous Insurance payments in the other country.)As regards public assistance, certain informal inquiries have been made by the Departments concerned as to the position in one or two large cities in England and Scotland. In each case the reply has been to the effect that there is no evidence of any marked increase in the number of persons of Irish Free State origin applying for relief; and there is no reason to suppose that the position in other large cities is in any way different.The general conclusion which is drawn is that there is clear evidence of a recent increase in emigration from the Irish Free State into Great Britain but that the immigrants are being absorbed into employment. The object of the immigrants from the Irish Free State in coming to this country is to obtain work, and there is no evidence that they come here with the specific purpose of obtaining, when unemployed, assistance from public funds on a more generous scale than is obtainable in the Irish Free State. On the contrary, it appears that many of them readily obtain employment as navvies or on heavy labouring work of an unskilled character for which, owing in many cases to the heavy and arduous nature of the work, it is said that it is difficult to find an adequate supply of equally satisfactory applicants already available in this country.

Epileptics

asked the Minister of Health (r) how many patients and in what age groups are in institutions for the treatment and care of epileptics, compared with corresponding figures for 1920, 1925, and 1930, respectively, or other convenient dates for purposes of comparsion;(2) whether any research supported by public or private funds is in progress or has been concluded in recent years as to the treatment and cure or alleviation of epilepsy; and whether the crude death-rate for 1936 shows any improvement over that for 1926; (3) how many homes for epileptics exist in England and Wales for the reception of rate-aided and non-rate-aided patients, or both, respectively; how many are under the management of local authorities or of private bodies; and how far they are under the supervision of his department?Sir K. Wood: I have no special information as to research which is being carried on, but I know that research on the treatment of epilepsy is proceeding continuously in the institutions which deal specially with this disease.The crude death rate from epilepsy was 52 both in 1926 and 1936. The standardised rates were, for males, 56 in 1926 and 52 in 1936 and, for females, 42 in 1926 and 39 in 1936. The answers to my hon. and gallant Friend's other Questions involve some detailed inquiry, and I will communicate with him as soon as possible.

India (Education)

asked the Under-Secretary of State for India how many Native universities there are in India; and what percentage of the Native population of India was literate in 1917 and 1937, respectively?

The answer to the first part of the question is 17. The years nearest to those specified in the second part of the question for which figures can be given are the Census years 1921 and 1931. In those years the percentages of the population of India (including the Indian States) aged 5 years and over which was literate were 8·2 and 9·5 respectively.

Agriculture

Barley

asked the President of the Board of Trade what quantities of Danish barley have been imported into this country during the last five years ending 31st October, and the separate monthly figures for the past four months this year?

The following table shows the total quantity of barley (grain) imported into the United Kingdom during the undermentioned periods and registered as consigned from Denmark.

Period.Quantity.
Year.Cwts.
1933264,617
1934351,699
1935339,692
1936548,277
1937:
January to June421,241
July2,000
August5,920
September152,718
October178,492
NOTE.—The figures for 1937 are provisional.

Milk

asked the Minister of Agriculture, whether, in all the proceedings taken by the Milk Marketing Board against milk producer-retailers evidence is taken on oath; and whether the Board adopts the principles of evidence as laid down by courts of justice in this country?

In all proceedings in the Courts by the Milk Marketing Board against producers, evidence is, of course, given on oath and the rules of the Courts as to evidence and procedure apply. The Milk Marketing Board, when it meets to consider alleged infringements of the Scheme by registered producers, is not a Court of Law, and it has no power to administer an oath, and is not bound by the strict rules of evidence applicable to proceedings in the Courts. I am informed that it would not be practicable for the Board to apply them. I may, however, point out that, if the Milk Marketing Board were to exceed its jurisdiction, it would be subject to the controlling jurisdiction of the High Court, and, further, any registered producer who is aggrieved by any act or omission of the Board has a right to go to arbitration in accordance with the Arbitration Acts.

Tariffs

asked the Minister of Agriculture whether he will give a list of the tariffs introduced by the National Government to protect agriculture?

Full details of the duties chargeable upon foreign agricultural products as at 1st August, 1937, will be found in the "Customs and Excise Tariff, 1937", published by the Stationery Office, to which I would refer my hon. Friend.

Tuberculous Cattle

asked the Secretary of State for Scotland whether any local authorities in Scotland have entered into contracts for the sale of the meat of animals slaughtered under the terms of the tuberculosis orders and for which animals they are required to pay compensation; whether there is any doubt as to the fitness of such meat for human consumption; and, if so, whether he will take steps to prevent such meat being offered for sale?

I have been asked to reply. It is not the usual practice of local authorities to enter into formal contracts for the sale of meat of animals slaughtered under the Tuberculosis Order of 1925, and so far as I am aware only two local authorities in Scotland have made such contracts. The Tuberculosis Order of 1925 (No. 2) provides that where a local authority proposes to slaughter an animal under the Order and to dispose of its carcase, or any part thereof, for human consumption, notice of the time and place of intended slaughter shall be given to the Public Health local authority, and further provides that the carcase of the animal or any part thereof shall not be removed from the slaughterhouse for human consumption except with permission, in writing, of the medical officer of of health or other competent officer of the authority having power to inspect and examine meat intended for human consumption. Where a Meat Inspector has been appointed by a Public Health local authority in Scotland, the permission to be obtained is the permission of the Meat Inspector.

Post Office (Telephone Service, Malaya)

asked the Postmaster-General whether, in respect of the telephone service which is being opened with Malaya, through Java, with the permission of the Dutch Government, some facilities can be given for commencing the service at 6.30 a.m., which would enable London to talk with Malaya whilst their markets were in operation, as the proposed times during which the service is to operate are only from 9.30 a.m. to 2.30 p.m., Greenwich mean time, which would preclude this?

The radio-telephone service between Amsterdam and the Netherlands East Indies, over which calls between Great Britain and Malaya pass, is not opened until 9 a.m., Greenwich mean time. It would not, therefore, be possible to give service between Great Britain and Malaya from 6.30 a.m. unless the hour at which the Amsterdam service is opened were similarly advanced. I will communicate with the Netherlands Administration and will write to my hon. Friend as soon as I hear whether they can arrange for an extension of the hours of service as desired.

Unemployment

Special Areas (Elderly Men)

asked the Minister of Labour whether his attention has been called to the recommendation of the Commissioner for the Special Areas of England and Wales that for all works in future undertaken with the aid of grants from the Government or local authorities it should be made a condition that a reasonable proportion of older men should be employed; and whether he proposes to take steps to see that this recommendation is carried out?

This is one of many proposals which have been made and are under consideration, but I am not yet in a position to make any pronouncement in the matter.

Land Settlement, Wales

asked the Minister of Labour, whether he can make any statement as to the result to date of the measures which have been taken to settle Welsh mining families upon the land?

I would draw the attention of my hon. Friend to page 141 and Appendix XIII of the Report of the Commissioner for the Special Areas (England and Wales), Cmd. 5595, where he will find statistical information about land settlement in Wales. Paragraphs 607/638 of the Report contain a description of the work of the Land Settlement Society and the Glamorgan County Council.

Glasgow

asked the Minister of Labour, whether he can state the total number of registered unemployed in Glasgow for the years ended September, 1935 and 1937, respectively?

pursuant to his reply (OFFICIAL REPORT, col. 1435, Vol. 329) supplied the following statement.The average numbers of unemployed persons, aged 14 years and over, on the registers of Employment Exchanges in Glasgow in the years ended September, 1935, and September, 1937, were 105,443 and 81,338 respectively.

Derelict Works (Site Clearance)

asked the Minister of Labour, whether his attention has been called to the statement of the Commissioner for the Special Areas of England and Wales hoping that effect will be given to the recommendations of the Import Duties Advisory Committee on the iron and steel industry that the restoration of disused sites which have been spoiled by past industrial enterprise shall be taken in hand; and whether the Government intends to give effect to this recommendation?

The recommendation of the Commissioner is being examined in the various Departments concerned but it is not possible yet to make any pronouncement of Government action in the matter.

Land Drainage (Newark And Southwell)

asked the Minister of Agriculture what sum will be allocated to the Newark Internal Drainage Board and the Southwell Internal Drainage Board from the Government's new drainage grant?

The amount of the grants which will be made to the two drainage boards mentioned will depend upon the number and scope of the schemes submitted by them which obtain my approval. Up to the present I have approved for a grant of 33⅓ percent. one scheme submitted by the Newark Board which is estimated to cost £1,308, and I am awaiting revised proposals from the same board with regard to work in connection with a new pumping plant contemplated at Marton near Gainsborough. I have as yet received no application for grant from the Southwell Board.

Cost Of Living

asked the Minister of Labour, whether the cost-of-living averages given in the Ministry of Labour Gazette for November, 1937, relate to all commodities or to food only?

In each issue of the Ministry of Labour Gazette, including the November issue, the statistics published relating to the average percentage changes in working-class costs of living since July, 1914, give separate percentages for (a) food, (b) rent, (c) clothing, (d) fuel and light, and (e) various other items, and a figure is also given representing the average percentage increase in all these items combined. The figures for 1st November will be found on page 454 of the November issue of the Gazette. In a statistical supplement which is included with the November issue, figures are also given showing the average levels of working-class costs of living, in each quarter during the period 1928–1937, expressed as percentages of those for (a) July, 1914, and (b) the year 1924; these figures are general averages covering all the items of expenditure included within the scope of the cost-of-living statistics.