asked the Secretary of State for Scotland whether he is aware that, when 35 holders settled on land in Sandwick Parks, acquired by the Department of Agriculture from the Stornoway Trustees in 1932, these smallholders were informed that they would get the benefit of the Derating Act, but despite this understanding they are now held responsible for both owners' and occupiers' rates, while it is held that ownership is vested in the agricultural Department; and what action does he propose taking to rectify the anomalous position of these smallholders?

In the particulars of the scheme at Sandwick Parks issued to applicants in March, 1932, the subjects were described and let to applicants as "building sites to be let to bona fide fishermen." With the assistance of loans from the Department of Agriculture for Scotland, the holders have erected houses on the sites. The incidence of probable rating was explained before entry. The ultimate decision regarding de-rating rests with the Lands Valuation Appeal Court, who have ruled, in disposing of four separate stated cases, that these subjects are not entitled to de-rating. I cannot agree that there is anything anomalous in the position and there does not appear to be any action which I could take in the matter.

Is the Minister aware that at the time when these smallholders took possession, a statement appeared in the local Press, from the then Member of Parliament for the Division, that they would come under the Derating Act? Why should these smallholders be treated differently from farmers who are enabled to enjoy the benefits of the Act?

I am not responsible for what the local Member of Parliament says in the local Press. I know of no such undertaking. In regard to the other point, these smallholders are within the borough, and I have no jurisdiction there. The Lands Valuation Appeal Court is the final body. Four separate cases have been to the Lands Valuation Appeal Court, which ruled that these holdings are not agricultural holdings.

Does the Minister's reply mean that the Secretary of State for Scotland cannot review decisions of this Lands Valuation Appeal Court?

Certainly. If there were to be an alteration, it would mean an alteration of the law not merely affecting these people but affecting everyone else concerned.

asked the Secretary of State for Scotland what action he proposes to take in response to the resolution forwarded to him by the secretary of the Scottish Temperance Alliance, Edinburgh Council, regarding the Government failure to deal with the unrestricted use of alcoholic liquors, in order to prevent destruction of foodstuffs and secure efficiency?

I have noted the terms of the resolution referred to. Apart from the increased duties which have been imposed upon exciseable liquors, the production of whiskey has been reduced to one-third of the amount produced last year, and the limit set on the production of beer has not, in fact, been reached. I understand that the brewing and distilling industries together are estimated to be using between 25 and 30 per cent. less raw materials than they did before the war. A careful watch is being kept on the incidence of consumption, and I am in touch, in this connection, with other Ministers concerned.

Apart from the destruction of foodstuffs that is involved here, does not the Minister think that the position has reached a serious pass when a member of the R.A.F. Intelligence Staff, convicted under the Defence Regulations, has to plead that he did not know what he had been saying to contravene these regulations, while he was under the influence of drink; and is not that a case for consideration?

That, of course, affects another Department, and I cannot be expected to answer for that Department.

Will the Minister keep in mind the fact that I know a teetotaller who blethers more than anybody else about everything?

asked the Secretary for Mines whether he is aware that coal merchants in some areas are unwilling to dump coal in large quantities for fear of destruction by enemy action and inability to insure such stocks; and will he make a statement on the subject?

I am not aware of any general unwillingness among coal merchants to lay down stocks for the reasons suggested by my hon. Friend; but if he will send me particulars of any individual cases he has in mind I will have them investigated. The Chamber of Coal Traders has recently drawn the attention of its members to the steps which should be taken by any coal merchant who suffers loss through enemy action; and, as was indicated by my right hon. Friend the Prime Minister on 8th October, a statement may shortly be expected regarding a comprehensive scheme of insurance for property not covered by the present compulsory Commodity Insurance Scheme. These arrangements should reassure any coal merchant who may be reluctant, for the reasons suggested, to lay down stocks.

While thanking the Minister for the reply, may I say that I am sure that he will understand that small coal merchants on the South-East coast, where towns are being bombed, are obviously unwilling to stock coal?

Really, we do not know of any very large-scale unwillingness on the part of coal merchants. There have been other difficulties, but that is not the great difficulty.

asked the Secretary for Mines whether any report on the Valley-field colliery disaster, which occurred a year ago, has been submitted by the Commissioner; and when it is proposed to publish it?

The Commissioner's report was published at the end of September as Command Paper No. 6226.

May I ask whether the Minister intends, arising out of the character of the report, to prosecute the company?

I do not prosecute, but the report has been sent to the Lord Advocate for investigation of the charges that are made there.

Apart from any intended legal action, is the Department loking into the revelations of the Commissioner's report with a view to taking administrative action?

Yes, Sir, there are many defects which have given me concern. I said so when I spoke in the House on the last occasion. I have already taken the trouble of meeting all inspectors of mines and urging them to give attention to defects of the kind set out in that report.

Will the Minister consider discussing this matter with workmen's inspectors?

There has been an extension of power to workmen's inspectors. I will require to see how well they are represented under these powers, and, when new appointments are complete, I will consider having a meeting of the workmen's inspectors to discuss this problem and cognate matters.

asked the Under-Secretary of State for Dominion Affairs in what circumstances and on whose responsibility the "City of Benares," manned by lascars unsuited to the cold Atlantic route, was chartered to convey children who were being evacuated to Canada; and whether he will give an assurance that, on evacuation of children being resumed, vessels and crews familiar with and suited to the appropriate routes will be chartered and chosen, respectively?

Accommodation in the "City of Benares" for the conveyance of a number of children to Canada was offered to and accepted by the Children's Overseas Reception Board in accordance with the general arrangements made with the Ministry of Shipping. The fact that the crew consisted predominantly of lascars, whose qualities of seamanship have been proved by long experience, was not considered as justifying a refusal of the accommodation offered. As is the normal practice in the case of companies employing such seamen, the lascars were supervised by the usual complement of non-lascar officers and men which the owning company employs. The Ministry of Shipping has only offered the Children's Overseas Reception Board ships if they are found to be well equipped and suitable for the conveyance of children and if the scheme is resumed the same careful practice will be followed.

Is the Minister aware that there is a great deal of concern in various parts of the country, because lascars are obviously not suited to the cold North Atlantic winds?

The hon. and learned Gentleman will remember that, about 2½ years ago, on the representation of the India Office that lascars should be used on the North Atlantic route, the Board of Trade held a very exhaustive inquiry and cross-examined all shipowners who had experience in the use of lascars, and that, as a result, the Board of Trade allowed ships to ply with lascar crews, because of their seamanship and dependability.

Is it not true to say that the seamen's and officers' unions have always protested against the use of lascar seamen on the North Atlantic routes and that ordinarily lascar seamen are not employed on those routes? Why should the hon. Gentleman pretend, because there was a Board of Trade inquiry, that it is now appropriate to the circumstances?

I am pointing out only that, after the fullest inquiry two and a half years ago, permission was given for the employment of lascars on the North Atlantic route.

Were the seamen's and officers' organisations called into consultation by the Board of Trade at that inquiry, and, if not, why not? Why say that a full inquiry was held?

Perhaps the hon. Gentleman will put that Question to the Minister of Shipping?

You know that the inquiry was not a full one.

In regard to compensation arising out of this accident, to whom should application be made?

I should be glad if the hon. and gallant Gentleman would put that Question on the Paper.

asked the Minister of Shipping the reason for placing the steamship "Al Rawdah" at the service of the Government of Northern Ireland as a sea prison for 216 internees, in view of the need for conserving our shipping, the cost of this ship and the alterations made; and whether he has made inquiry as to the safety of the lives of the persons interned in this anchored prison ship in view of the chances of bombing or submarine attack?

The "Al Rawdah" was placed at the disposal of the Government of Northern Ireland at their request, and at their cost, to provide accommodation for internees for whose safe custody Northern Ireland was responsible and for whom they had, at that time, no other suitable accommodation available. As regards the cost falling on the Government of Northern Ireland, and the policy of using a ship for this purpose, I would suggest that the hon. Member address his inquiry to my right hon. Friend the Secretary of State for the Home Department.

Can no action be taken to see that shipping is put to proper use and that the Government of Northern Ireland are allowed to provide on their own territory some means of maintaining these persons instead of in shipping?

Certainly, the Minister of Shipping would be extremely happy if it were possible to make any other arrangement which would release this shipping. At the urgent request of the Government of Northern Ireland we had no alternative to shipping accommodation, and this ship was provided. As to the policy of commandeering shipping for that purpose, I suggest that the Question be addressed to the Home Department.

Can representations be addressed to the Government of Northern Ireland by the hon. Gentleman's Department, with a view to seeing that this ship is released? Surely representations can be made?

We are in communication now on that subject.

asked the Minister of Shipping what steps are taken to ensure that the crews of vessels in British ports are given practice in the handling of ships' boats between voyages so as to ensure efficient handling of the ship's boat in case of emergency at sea?

The peace-time requirements in regard to musters and drills of crews were supplemented in July last by the Merchant Shipping (Additional Life Saving Appliances) (No. 2) Rules, 1940, which require such drills to be held in ships, at intervals of not more than one week, for exercising the crew in the practical use of the life saving appliances. One such drill is to be held before the ship leaves port or before reaching the open sea, unless the Master is reasonably satisfied that the crew has received proper training in the use of the life saving appliances by means of previous drills in that ship.

Can the hon. Gentleman say what steps are taken by his Department to see that these exercises are taken, and is he aware that there is evidence of the inability on the part of the ships' crews to lower the boats during an emergency at sea?

I have no information on that point, but as regards the suggestion made by the hon. and learned Member that the exercises should take place between voyages—that is, on land—the official view is that it is better to have the exercises on the ship itself, as the present rules provide.

Was there not a recent case in which a ship was torpedoed and the only person capable of handling the ship's lifeboats was a boy of 18?

I have heard of no such case.

Does the hon. Gentleman suggest that the reports which have appeared in the Press are not correct and that these reports have not come to the mind of the Ministry of Shipping?

Possibly they are correct, but if the hon. Member has the name of the ship and would give it to me, he would help me.

asked the Minister of Economic Warfare whether he will make a statement about the recent seizure at Bermuda of a large number of works of art belonging to the French Vichy Government; and, further, what is the policy of His Majesty's Government in relation to any practicable measures of control over supplies of foreign currency for that Government?

Yes, Sir. It came to the knowledge of officers of my Department that more than 500 pictures, some of which appeared to be valuable, had been shipped in the steamship "Excalibur" from Lisbon to New York via Bermuda. Thereupon, instructions were given for these pictures to be removed from the ship on her arrival at Bermuda. This was done on 3rd October and the pictures were landed and have been placed in Prize under the Reprisals Order in Council. The pictures are said to include works by Renoir, Cézanne, Gauguin, Dégas, Picasso and other French artists. It appears possible that these pictures were abstracted from a well known Paris collection. In reply to the second part of the Question, it is the policy of His Majesty's Government, as announced by me on 30th July, to take all practicable measures to prevent the acquisition of foreign exchange by the enemy. An important means to this end is the prevention, wherever possible, of exports from all enemy or enemy controlled territories including unoccupied France.

Are these works of art of any considerable importance from the point of view of foreign currency? What is to be their ultimate destination and custodianship?

As I have said, at the present moment they are placed in Prize at Bermuda under the Reprisals Order in Council, which, as my hon. Friend knows, governs our dealings with exports to enemy and enemy-controlled territories. It is reasonable, I think, to assume that they should be moved from the climate at Bermuda at a fairly early date, as that may have an enervating effect upon them, and it is now under consideration as to where they could best be stored for the duration of the war, at any rate, so that, on the one hand, they may not suffer physical damage and, on the other hand, that they may be seen by a large number of people from the point of view of their artistic value. I am now considering what we can do to achieve those two ends.

Would not the equable climate of Bermuda be ideal for them until next Spring?

I am advised not.

asked the Secretary of State for War whether he is satisfied that where empty houses are used for billeting the fuel allowance is sufficient to provide adequate heating for the houses?

Commanding officers have authority, in cases where the normal scale is insufficient, to issue the extra fuel necessary to secure a reasonable degree of comfort.

asked the Secretary of State for War how many troops are still under canvas and how long they are expected to continue to be so housed?

asked the Secretary of State for war (1) when all Army units will be housed in winter quarters either in huts or billets;

I cannot state with accuracy how many troops are still under canvas, or how long they will remain so, but steady progress is being made with the provision of suitable winter accommodation, and every week will see a reduction in the number of men in tents. It will be realised that operational needs make it impossible to disperse troops over a wide area according merely to the availability of accommodation, and there is the further difficulty that the housing of persons evacuated from London and other bombed areas has taken up accommodation which might otherwise have been available for troops. Huts are being built all over the country as rapidly as labour can be spared from other essential defence work, and no means of housing the troops is being neglected. I would remind my hon. Friends that the evacuation of the British Expeditionary Force from France, as well as the bombing of the civil population, has added very considerably to the problem as it was envisaged some few months ago.

Will the Minister keep in mind the fact that there is no shortage of labour with regard to building those huts, and that many building firms are doing absolutely nothing?

There is, however, a shortage of material and of certain forms of labour.

asked the Secretary of State for War whether he can give an assurance that no men are now sleeping on palliasses in tents with no floor-boards?

No, Sir. Floor-boards are only issued, on medical recommendation, to camps where conditions are such as to necessitate their use.

The Question I asked was whether any men were sleeping on palliasses in tents on floor-boards. As I understand, there is quite a number, and it has been impossible to get bedsteads for the men.

The position is that floor-boards are issued only in cases where the medical authorities consider it to be necessary. In other cases where men are sleeping on palliasses, they do have groundsheets as well, and in the opinion of medical authorities that is sufficient.

In view of the fact that instructions have been issued by the War Office to the Commands that bedsteads should be made locally for searchlight stations, in particular where men are in isolated spots, surely it cannot be correct for men in tents to sleep on palliasses?

asked the Secretary of State for War whether he is aware that soldiers encamped in districts adjacent to London, who have short leave in London are often compelled to return to camp several hours late as a result of delays caused by air raids; that such men are frequently penalised by extra fatigues; and whether he will take steps to ensure that soldiers who can provide evidence that their lateness is directly due to causes outside their control shall not be subject to punishment of any kind?

I am sure that commanding officers may be relied upon to make a proper use of their discretionary powers in such cases, and I am not aware of any instances to the contrary. I will, of course, investigate any specific cases, if particulars are given to me.

Would it not be desirable for the Minister to issue a notice to commanding officers drawing their attention to the fact that soldiers will be delayed during air raids and that allowance should be made for the fact?

No, Sir; I think commanding officers can be relied upon to take notice of that fact.

asked the Secretary of State for War whether, since many members of the Home Guard have been asked by their insurance companies to pay 5 per cent. increase or more for their insurances, he will convene a conference of authorised representatives of all insurance companies throughout the country for the purpose of obtaining a ruling which will be universally adopted by them all to exclude and delete the naval and military clauses which are embodied in many of these policies, so as to ensure that members of the Home Guard are not penalised as a result of their patriotic endeavours to assist the country?

asked the Secretary of State for War whether he is aware that certain insurance companies are demanding an additional premium from life insurance policy holders to guarantee payment in cases of insured persons who are members of the Home Guard; whether he is further aware that this has led to resignations from the Home Guard; and what action he proposes taking to remedy this situation?

The importance of this subject to the Home Guard is fully recognised, and I am arranging for an early conference between the various Government Departments which are interested in it.

Will my hon. Friend really tackle the insurance companies? Is he not aware that it is no use the insurance companies saying that they are actually prepared to go outside their contracts in their desire to be generous? The situation about the Home Guards' life insurance is confused and unsatisfactory. It should be made quite clear to the insurance companies that they need not fear the unknown future if they do the right thing now.

I can assure my hon. Friend that that matter is having attention.

When this matter is considered will the hon. Gentleman bear in mind that a man may fall between two stools? On account of the nature of the injury he may not get Government compensation, and he may be shut out from insurance because he is a member of the Forces in some shape or form.

Yes, Sir.

asked the Secretary of State for War whether it is proposed to issue serge battle-dress to members of the Home Guard for the purpose of winter duty?

asked the Secretary of State for War whether he is now in a position to make the promised statement on questions relating to the Home Guard?

I regret that I am not in a position to make the statement which my right hon. Friend promised upon various matters relating to the Home Guard. The statement will be made very shortly, and will deal with the question of battle-dress amongst others.

asked the Secretary of State for War whether he will give an assurance that every member of the Auxiliary Territorial Service has a great-coat and has a bedstead to sleep on?

Every member of the Auxiliary Territorial Service has either a greatcoat or a rainproof coat with fleece lining. Every member should have either a bedstead with wire mattress or a camp bed. If the hon. Lady knows of any cases where they are not available, I shall be grateful for the information, and will make immediate inquiry into it.

Is it a fact that the War Office have decided to issue no great-coats to the Auxiliary Territorial Service people until the supply of mackintoshes with fleece linings is used up? Will my hon. Friend inquire into that, and see that it is altered?

I cannot give any assurance about the supply of greatcoats, because the issue is a matter of difficulty. It also affects the Home Guard.

Will my hon. Friend see that greatcoats are issued as a necessity? It is a matter of great importance.

I cannot undertake the issue of greatcoats for the Auxiliary Territorial Service in addition to mackintoshes.

asked the Secretary of State for War whether in view of the number of cases in the last war where men in the services lost the sight of one eye or both eyes, some of which cases might have been saved by some protective device, and as a result of the experience now gained, any steps have been taken to prevent many such injuries during the present war by means of protective devices attached to the service men's steel helmets?

This matter is under active investigation, and trials are in progress. A device attached to the steel helmet is one of those under trial.

In view of the large amount of money paid in pensions to blinded and partly blinded soldiers as the result of the last war, will the Minister hurry up a decision on this matter?

asked the Secretary of State for War whether he is aware of the long delays in receiving letters from the troops in Egypt and the Near East; and whether alternative routes through Odessa and Murmansk or at senders risk by convoy through the Mediterranean have been considered?

I have been asked to reply. I am aware that, owing to the interruption of the normal routes, the time of transmission of mails from Egypt and the Near East has unfortunately been considerably increased, but I can assure my hon. Friend that all possible steps are being taken to improve the service. The possibility of using a route via Russia has been kept constantly in sight, but has not been found to be practicable. The Union of Soviet Socialist Republics send mails from that country to the United Kingdom via Siberia and the United States of America. My Department is in the closest touch with the Ministry of Shipping and the Service Departments and no possible outlet for mails either to or from the Near East is neglected.

Would it not be possible to ask Sir Stafford Cripps to approach the Soviet Government and ask them to do us this service of sending ships direct to England and thereby facilitate letters?

I am quite prepared to consider that suggestion, but the right hon. Gentleman will remember that the Russians themselves send their mails via Siberia.

But, if you ask them, they might do it.

asked the Secretary of State for War whether there is any evidence as to the use by the enemy of British prisoners of war to clear up debris after raids by the Royal Air Force on military objectives in occupied countries?

My attention has been drawn to a photograph which appeared in a newspaper purporting to depict British prisoners of war clearing up debris caused by bombardments of Calais by the Royal Air Force. I understand that the employment of prisoners of war on such work would be contrary to the provisions of the Geneva Convention of 1929, and would, if it is confirmed, necessitate a strong protest to the German Government. I am in consultation with my right hon. Friend the Foreign Secretary on the subject.

Is it not possible to employ captured German airmen for filling in craters on farms in the country as a reprisal?

I am not prepared to accept the argument that because the enemy breaks Conventions we should also break them.

asked the Secretary of State for War what meals are provided by the German Government for British prisoners of war in Germany; and how the quality and quantity compare with the meals provided in Britain for German prisoners of war?

Reports received from International Red Cross delegates who visited prisoner-of-war camps in Germany in August indicate that British prisoners of war were then being rationed, in accordance with the terms of the Geneva Convention of 1929, on the same scale as German depot troops. The United States authorities have been asked to verify this, as it appears from other reports that some British prisoners of war are being rationed on the German civilian scale. The scale for German depot troops is lower than that for British troops at home, on which German prisoners of war are fed, and the German civilian scale is lower still.

Is there not any way of bringing home to the German authorities that our people must be adequately fed? There is definite information that the food is not sufficient, and conditions will be worse when the winter comes on?

We can only act through the protecting Powers, which we are endeavouring to do.

asked the Secretary of State for War whether he is satisfied that all prisoners of war in Germany are being treated in accordance with the international convention, and, especially, that no discrimination is exercised against prisoners from particular regiments and divisions?

There are certain matters, for instance, feeding, in which I am not satisfied that British prisoners of war are being treated strictly in accordance with the terms of the Geneva Convention, and the necessary representations have been made. I have no information pointing to discrimination against prisoners from particular regiments and divisions, and I think it unlikely that such discrimination exists, as the majority of the prisoners are in two camps, one for officers and one for other ranks.

Has the hon. and gallant Gentleman's attention been called to the report published broadcast in the Press that the 51st Highland Division was being discriminated against by the Germans, that parcels were not being received by them and that they were being badly fed and ill-treated compared with other prisoners of war? Can he give any assurance to the people who are much concerned about this that that is not the case?

I have seen the report, but I have been unable to obtain any verification of it. I can give the hon. Member a complete assurance that we will do our utmost for prisoners of the 51st Division, as for all other prisoners of war.

asked the Secretary of State for War the salary and emoluments now received by Prince Von Stahremberg, serving in the French Air Force; and whether they are being paid at present by His Majesty's Government?

I have been asked to reply. The information asked for by the right hon. Gentleman is being obtained, and, if he will put down his Question for a later date, I shall hope to be able to give him the reply.

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department whether he appreciates the need for an issue of mackintoshes and stout boots to air-raid precautions wardens; and whether he proposes to make such an issue at an early date?

I would refer my hon. Friend to the reply which my right hon. Friend gave to similar Questions on the subject on 8th October.

Is the hon. Gentleman aware that to differentiate between one branch and another of A.R.P. services sometimes has unfortunate effects?

If the hon. Lady read the reply, she will see that it refers specifically to the mackintoshes for wardens.

asked the Home Secretary whether he is satisfied that local authorities have sufficient powers to compel the adequate strengthening of the glass roofs of cotton mills which are at present a source of such peril to cotton workers?

Under the Civil Defence Act no obligation is placed upon the proprietors of cotton mills to strengthen glass roofs. Nevertheless, the importance of this matter is fully recognised, particularly in order to enable workers to carry on after the alert and my right hon. Friend is considering further measures to diminish the risk of casualties from glass.

Is the hon. Gentleman aware that on two separate occasions in the last few months I have requested delegations from Lancashire, who were anxious to interview him on the subject, to refrain from coming, on the express representation to me by his Department that regulations were being made in order to cover this point? If those regulations have been made, will he now receive delegations?

Perhaps the hon. Member will indicate the nature of those express representations.

They came to me from the hon. Gentleman's private secretary.

I cannot accept that.

asked the Home Secretary how many aliens are at present detained in prisons; how many of these are detained under deportation orders or their war-time equivalent; how many as war refugees awaiting further inquiry into their reliability; how many of the latter class have already been in prison for periods of over two months; and whether, in view of the hardship imposed on the political detainees of both classes by their detention in prison in association with ordinary remand prisoners suspected of criminal offences, he will arrange for their transfer to a separate prison or, preferably, to an internment camp?

The aliens to whom my hon. Friend refers are not detained on political grounds: they are detained on security grounds. As regards many of them it would be desirable, if it proves necessary to keep them under detention for a long period, that they should be accommodated in a camp or some other institution other than a prison. The difficulty of finding alternative accommodation at the present time is great, but the desirability of making special provision for these people as soon as practicable will be kept in mind. I am circulating in the OFFICIAL REPORT the information asked for in the remainder of the Question.

Is the hon. Gentleman aware that most of these people have been in prison for periods of more than three months? Could they not receive some kind of circular letter to inform them that they are detained until they can clear themselves and that their cases will be gone into, so that they will not feel that they are completely forgotten and are there for life?

I think the hon. Lady is under a misapprehension as to the character of a great many of these persons. The greater part of them are seamen who have been taken off Allied or neutral vessels, whom we should like to repatriate to their country of origin but cannot at present. On the other point, we are trying to find accommodation outside British prisons.

Is it not true that a large number of these unfortunates are Czech nationals who are in prison, denounced by someone and unable to get any opportunity of having their case heard?

No, Sir, I think only a very small number are Czechs.

Are not some of them willing to serve on British vessels?

No, Sir, they have been taken off vessels because they are known to be Nazi sympathisers.

asked the Home Secretary how many aliens are still in alien internment camps; how many have been released; how many have already been dealt with by the tribunal appointed to consider cases under Category 19; and whether, in view of the large number of claims likely to prove suitable for reference to the aforementioned tribunal, he will consider either appointing additional tribunals or increasing the membership of the existing tribunal and permitting it to sit in sections, as already permitted to the advisory committee dealing with British Fascists and other British detainees?

Approximately 14,400 Germans, Austrians and Italians are still in internment camps in the United Kingdom. About 5,200 have been released since the White Paper was issued. I am informed that 17 cases under Category 19 have already been dealt with and some 50 others partly considered by the tribunal. I will bear in mind the hon. Lady's suggestion in the fourth part of the Question if the number of applications for release under Category 19 appears likely to lead to serious delay in consideration by one tribunal.

Is the hon. Gentleman aware that at that rate it will take 60 years to hear these cases?

No, Sir. That is certainly not the case.

Is it not clear that there are certainly several thousands of these cases which should be considered, and if they are all to be gone into, is it not obvious that it will take an immense amount of time to do so?

In point of fact, the number of persons who have made out prima facie cases for Category 19, is much smaller than the hon. Lady suggests.

Can the hon. Gentleman say, approximately, how many applications in regard to Category 19 have been made?

I am afraid I cannot.

This Question as it appears on the Paper really includes two different Questions. Could my hon. Friend who is to reply deal with them separately?

I will deal with both points. I fully appreciate the importance of keeping shelters dry, but the standard trench design does not appear to give rise to much difficulty in this respect. If, however, my hon. Friend is aware of cases and will communicate them to me, I shall certainly look into the matter. As regards the second part of the Question, the nature of the wardens' service did not make a system of pay for rank necessary or appropriate, but the matter is now under re-examination.

With regard to the first part of the answer, is it not a fact that a large number of these trenches are in fact waterlogged and that it is a very difficult problem? With regard to the second part, is my hon. Friend aware that, both in the first-aid service and in the fire service, extra pay is given for supervisory work; and does he realise that head wardens feel that there is a great injustice in their case?

As regards the first part of the Question, the standard trench, I am informed, does not show any tendency to become waterlogged, but if my hon. Friend has any cases in mind, I shall be very glad to have them investigated. As regards the second part of his Question, as I said in my earlier answer, the matter is now under examination.

Would the Minister also consider the position of lay leaders, as they are grumbling as well as the head wardens?

In Scotland there is a category which is, I think, described sometimes as lay readers, and I understand that they have pay above the basic rate.

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer whether, as the income limits at present imposed upon claimants for immediate compensation for damage caused by air-raids have created hardship for many people, he will consider the possibility of raising them?

As my right hon. Friend the Prime Minister has already explained, appropriate mitigating measures are being taken in the border-line cases lying just above the income limits normally prescribed for advances in respect of essential furniture and clothing, etc.

Will the Chancellor say what he considers to be a border-line case? I understand that the limit is now £250 for an individual, and £400 for a family man, but does he not think it is rather low?

I have asked the officers concerned to be generous in their application. The question is receiving consideration. If the hon. Member has any case in mind, I shall be glad to have it examined.

Does the right hon. Gentleman realise that £350 is very often a case for consideration? Surely such a case cannot be described as a border-line case?

I shall be making further proposals to the House in relation to this matter.

asked the Financial Secretary to the Treasury whether he is aware that in many cases of war damage to property it is not possible for the claimant to deliver a detailed claim within 30 days; and whether in such cases the Inland Revenue are prepared to grant a reasonable extension of that period?

Yes, Sir. It is stated on the form of claim that in the circumstances mentioned by my hon. Friend a reasonable extension of the 30 days will be allowed.

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer whether he has considered the financial obligations of freehold and leasehold owners of houses destroyed by enemy action; and what concessions are contemplated in regard to Income Tax on the annual value and ground rents payable by the owners of small houses?

The liabilities of freeholders, leaseholders and others in respect of the repair of and rent for houses which have suffered war damage have already been dealt with by Parliament in the Landlord and Tenant (War Damage) Act, 1939. These and other similar matters will also arise in connection with the revised proposals for the payment of compensation which are in preparation. So far as Income Tax, Schedule A, is concerned, the position is that, on a rented house being rendered uninhabitable by enemy action, no tax will be chargeable unless the rent continues to be payable. In the latter event, however, tax would be charged, though limited, if necessary, to tax on the amount of the rent payable. As regards Income Tax payable by owner-occupiers, any question of liability and possible relief would depend upon the facts of the particular case.

In connection with repairs to these properties, will there be any abatement made for the time the houses are unoccupied?

I think we shall have to decide each case on its merits. If the hon. Gentleman would like me to look into any case, I shall be glad to do it.

Is my right hon. Friend aware that landlords are often prepared to make a substantial reduction in the rent in the case of people suffering as a result of war damage, but that they find they not only lose the amount of the rent they are remitting, but are left with a heavy liability in respect of property tax? Will he look into that?

I am afraid that many difficulties will arise, as my hon. Friend will appreciate.

asked the Home Secretary whether he has considered the possibility and danger of buildings either of white stone or other light material or those painted white acting as guides to enemy aeroplanes, particularly on moonlight nights; and whether he has discussed with the firms or individuals owning those buildings the advisability of having them camouflaged with dark paint?

As I am sure the House will realise, it is not desirable to make public details of the policy adopted by the Government for camouflage, but I am communicating with the hon. Member on the points he raises.

Will the hon. Gentleman keep in mind the fact that many air-raid shelters, particularly in Scotland, have been built with white concrete roofs; and will he take steps to see that that is changed?

Attention has been drawn to that matter.

Is the Parliamentary Secretary aware that I have seen big white motor wagons—as white as snow—running about in London?

It does not follow that the Germans saw them.

Is the Parliamentary Secretary aware that there is one large block of flats in London with white glazed tiles which show up at night, and that, on several occasions it has been narrowly missed by bombs?

asked the Home Secretary whether, in order to avoid delay, duplication, and the waste of much technical and scientific knowledge, he will consider the establishment of one authority to consider the reliability of alien technical and scientific workers in this country, and, that when an individual has been passed by this authority, he will be open to accept employment in war industries without further investigation?

There is no duplication of authorities concerned with the question of an alien's reliability, but I think what my hon. Friend has in mind is the question whether an alien who has once been permitted to take employment in a war industry can be allowed to change his employment without the necessity of obtaining a fresh permit. That is a question to which consideration is being given.

asked the Financial Secretary to the Treasury whether he is satisfied that the number of contracts given to the firm of George Wimpey and Sons, Limited, by all Government Departments ensures efficiency and speed in the national war-building effort and national economy?

It is the responsibility of the contracting Departments to satisfy themselves that the contractors to whom they let contracts are in a position to execute them within the requirements of the contract. To assist the contracting Departments to this end, central arrangements have been made under which they can ascertain what contracts have been let by other Departments to any particular contractor. I have no reason to think these arrangements have not been adequate in the case of the firm of George Wimpey and Sons, Limited.

Is the right hon. and gallant Gentleman aware that this firm persistently obtains contracts in areas in Scotland where they have no plant or organisation and where Scottish firms are on the spot with plant and organisation and able to do the job efficiently and capably? Is he aware that this circumstance must cause a certain amount of delay in our war effort and that it is creating in the minds of building contractors in Scotland the opinion that there is something unsavoury with regard to the manner in which this firm can obtain huge contracts?

I am afraid I am not aware of anything on the line which the hon. Gentleman suggests, because I have just said that this is a responsibility of the contracting Departments and not of the Treasury.

Will the right hon. and gallant Gentleman carefully consider any representations that may be made with regard to what I have said?

I should say that representations had better be made to the Departments which let the contracts.

Do not the contracts affect a large number of Departments, and is not the only way they can be supervised through the Treasury?

I said in the reply to the original Question that central arrangements have been made under which Departments can ascertain what contracts have been let by other Departments to a particular contractor.

Will the Financial Secretary inform the House and Members who are greatly concerned about this matter what this central machinery is, to which representations should be made, and what Minister is responsible for this machinery?

If the hon. Gentleman likes to put those Questions down, I will give him considered replies, but I said in my answer that it is for the contracting Departments to satisfy themselves of the capacity of contractors to carry out their contracts.

In view of the unsatisfactory reply, I beg to give notice that I shall raise this question at the earliest opportunity.

asked the Minister of Labour whether he can make any statement with regard to the progress which has been made by the International Labour Corps?

Considerable progress has been made by the International Labour Branch, though much of it has necessarily taken the form of preparatory steps in consultation with foreign Governments. My right hon. Friend is happy to say that the prejudice which at one time existed against the employment of foreign nationals is being gradually removed.

Can the hon. Gentleman state the number of persons who have been placed up to date through this organisation?

I understand that about 700 were placed during August.

Is it possible for any alien to apply through the Employment Exchange, as I know of one who applied and was told that the exchange knew nothing about it?

Perhaps the hon. Member would give me particulars.

asked the Parliamentary Secretary to the Ministry of Food whether there will be any right of appeal by firms engaged in the manufacture of various milk products against the new Ministry of Food Orders?

No, Sir. The powers which my Noble Friend has recently conferred upon the Milk Marketing Boards to enable them to implement his policy will be exercised under his general supervision and subject to his direction.

asked the Parliamentary Secretary to the Ministry of Food in view of the new powers given to the Milk Marketing Board under Statutory Rules and Orders No. 1716 of 1940, what is the present composition of the Board; what were the previous occupations of its members; by whom were they nominated or elected; and what steps is it proposed to take to ensure that this Board, which is mainly nominated by the producing interests, will have proper regard for the interests of distributors and consumers of milk?

The Milk Marketing Board is composed of 17 members of whom 12 are regional members elected by the registered producers in the regions, three are special members elected by the producers in general meeting and two are persons co-opted to the Board by the elected members after consultation with the Market Supply Committee. The 12 regional members and the three special members are or have been dairy farmers. The two co-opted members are the Right Honourable the Lord Eltisley, K.B.E., J.P., and the hon. Member for Hastings (Mr. Hely-Hutchinson). With regard to the second part of the Question, I would refer my hon. Friend to my reply to a Question to-day by my hon. Friend the Member for Frome (Mrs. Tate).

asked the Prime Minister whether, in anticipation of the time when this country and its Allies are in a position to resume the military offensive, he will take an early opportunity of stating, in general terms, our aims in this war, so that this country may take its rightful place as the leader of all those, wherever they may be found, who desire a new order in Europe, based not upon slavery to Germany but upon collective justice, prosperity, and security?

All this is being borne in mind, but the time has not come when any official declaration can be made of war aims beyond the very carefully considered general statements which have already been published.

Would the right hon. Gentleman bear in mind that the longer a purely negative attitude in this matter is maintained the greater grows the quite false impression that we are fighting this war merely to retain the status quo; and would the right hon. Gentleman, at any rate, say enough to indicate that that is not the position of this country?

I do not think anyone has the opinion that we are fighting this war merely to maintain the status quo. We are, among other things, fighting it in order to survive, and when our capacity to do that is more generally recognised throughout the world, when the conviction that we have about it here becomes more general, then we shall be in a good position to take a further view of what we shall do with the victory when it is won.

Would the right hon. Gentleman not agree that one important factor in enabling us, not merely to survive but to conquer, is to assure those who think with us all over the world that we are ready to lead the fight for the better world which we all want?

I think there is great danger in making statements which are not of a very general character upon this subject. Take, for instance, the attitude which we adopt towards the enemy when he is defeated—you will find very different opinions prevailing about that.

Arising out of the original reply, will the right hon. Gentleman in considering this matter bear in mind the widespread feeling that a statement should be made as soon as possible?

Certainly I bear it in mind, and, having borne it in mind, I have ventured to give the answer which I have given.

While agreeing with many of the right hon. Gentleman's statements to-day, may I ask whether he does not think that when speeches are made from enemy sources it would be a good thing for the Prime Minister in this House to ask a series of searching questions that would, at least, put this country to a greater extent in the right and the enemy more in the wrong—for instance, by asking them what do they intend to do in the various territories which they occupy? These are very difficult questions for them and would compel answers which would bring world opinion behind us.

I think world opinion, as far as it is free, is thoroughly behind us.

Has the Prime Minister noticed that the Ministry of Information have announced that they are running a series of meetings throughout the country on this very subject of war aims, and would it not be interesting to know what they are saying?

I have seen the announcement from the Ministry of Information, and I have no doubt that very interesting discussions will take place, but that is quite a different thing from a statement by His Majesty's Government.

Would it not be well to kill the bear before you proceed to skin it?

asked the Prime Minister whether he will make a statement with reference to the work of the new Ministry of Works and Buildings?

This matter was very carefully considered before the new appointment was made, and I shall be obliged if my hon. Friend will await the statement which I hope will be made at an early date.

asked the Prime Minister whether he will consider appointing separate Ministers to the Home Department and the Ministry of Home Security, in view of the grave responsibilities which now fall upon the latter Department?

As at present advised, I do not consider it is necessary to adopt my hon. Friend's suggestion.

Is my right hon. Friend bearing in mind that in the Debate last week requests were made in all parts of the House for the separation of these two offices? In view of the great human problems involved in Civil Defence, does not my right hon. Friend think it is vitally necessary that there should not be any possible administrative weaknesses?

All these matters deserve continual consideration.

Will the right hon. Gentleman keep in mind that the Home Secretary is not responsible for Scottish administration, but that the Minister of Home Security is responsible for certain aspects of it? Therefore, will he make an investigation to see that there is adequate Scottish representation on this particular Ministry?

indicated assent.

asked the Prime Minister whether the formal inquiries into the failure to prevent French warships proceeding to enemy-controlled ports are yet complete; what disciplinary action has been taken, and against whom; whether full discretion to act was given to the officer commanding on the spot to prevent such ships passing the Straits; and whether he can now explain why the First Lord and Cabinet were not consulted before action was ordered or taken against potentially unfriendly ships?

As I indicated to the House last week, I do not think it desirable to answer any further questions upon this affair, for which, apart from technical mishaps, His Majesty's Government take full responsibility.

Is my right hon. Friend aware that there is an impression that it was necessary for the officer commanding on the spot to communicate with the home authorities before taking action?

There may be a great many impressions, but I think I have said all that can safely be said on the subject at the present time, and, having regard to the difficulties of carrying on the war, I must ask for the support of the House in this.

Is the right hon Gentleman aware that there is some disquiet in the public mind because of the apparent contradiction between the statement he made the other day, that the Government were not fully informed on what had happened, and the statement made previously by the Ministry of Information, that permission was given to the French warships to pass through the Straits of Gibraltar? Ought not that matter to be cleared up?

I do not think that there is any discrepancy at all between the statements. I am familiar with both statements, the first not being quite in the terms which my hon. Friend has mentioned, but the facts stated by me in my statement to the House are those which are correct.

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer whether he will state precisely the reasons for continuing the membership of the Bank for International Settlements and whether the Government has any holding in this institution?

I would refer my hon. Friend to the reply given by my right hon. and gallant Friend the Financial Secretary to the Treasury to the hon. Member for Southampton (Mr. Craven-Ellis) on 9th October.

Is not the Chancellor of the Exchequer aware that that reply contains no information of any kind whatsoever, and when will he be in a position to give the information?

I cannot accept that.

Then will the right hon. Gentleman read the reply?

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer whether transactions are still continuing between the Bank of England and the other members of the Bank for International Settlements, and, if so, what is their nature?