House Of Commons
Wednesday, 20th March, 1946
The House met at a Quarter past Two o' Clock
Prayers
[Mr. SPEAKER in the Chair]
Private Business
GREAT WESTERN RAILWAY BILL
Read a Second time, and referred to the Examiners of Petitions for Private Bills.
Oral Answers To Questions
Civil Aviation
Gliding Clubs
1.
asked the Parliamentary Secretary to the Ministry of Civil Aviation what as0sistance or en couragement is to be given to gliding clubs.
My Noble Friend wishes to en courage gliding clubs, but there are at present no suitable gliders available, other than a few German gliders which arc being lent to clubs through the British Gliding Association for test purposes. It is hoped that arrangements will be concluded to enable gliding clubs to purchase other Government equipment of which they are in need.
When gliders are available, does the Minister propose to give any encouragement, financial or otherwise, to gliding clubs?
It is not proposed to give direct financial assistance, but as gliders become available we will consider the matter.
Cannot assistance be given to gliding clubs in the same way as to light aeroplane clubs?
No, Sir. The help given to light aeroplane clubs is by the sale of surplus aircraft, but no surplus gliders are available.
Charter Services (Pilots And Engineers)
2.
asked the Parliamentary Secretary to the Ministry of Civil Aviation if companies operating charter services are employing pilots with B licences and ground engineers with the necessary qualifications.
Yes, Sir. So far as I am aware these requirements, which are laid down in the Air Navigation (Consolidation) Order, 1923 are being com plied with by charter operators.
If I give the Parliamentary Secretary details of irregularities, will he look into the matter further?
Certainly, Sir.
Passenger Safety
4.
asked the Parliamentary Secretary to the Ministry of Civil Aviation whether he is now prepared to supply parachutes to passengers on civil air lines.
No, Sir. The safety of passengers is a paramount consideration with all those responsible for the operation of air services and engages the constant attention of my Noble Friend. The advisability of supplying parachutes has been exhaustively reviewed, and as a result it has been decided that the disadvantages outweigh the advantages.
Is the Minister aware that in an accident which occurred near Gibraltar, of nine passengers, seven were saved by the use of parachutes?
I do not know the circumstances, but I do not think that they were such as to come under the control of my Noble Friend. It does not follow that these passengers would not have been saved by other measures.
Can the Parliamentary Secretary say what are the disadvantages of parachutes?
The use of parachutes would require passengers to undergo parachute drill, and we do not think that it would be practical to ask passengers to undergo such drill. There are also pyschological disadvantages.
Clifton Aerodrome
5.
asked the Parliamentary Secretary to the Ministry of Civil Aviation whether he is now in a position to state what will be the future of the Clifton aerodrome near York; and what steps he proposes to take to protect the surrounding residential area from the nuisance of night flying.
It is not desirable to make statements regarding particular aerodromes in advance of a comprehensive statement regarding aerodrome policy. The second part of the Question, therefore, does not arise, but I can assure the hon. Member that in all cases every effort will be made to minimise the nuisance of night flying.
Before reaching a decision, will the Minister take into consideration the fact that this aerodrome is in the centre of a residential area, with schools all around it, and that there are six alternative aerodromes which have not this disadvantage?
I will look into the cir cumstances mentioned, but I cannot, as the hon. Member well knows, accept the suggestion that there are six alternative aerodromes.
Hurn (Passenger Transport)
6.
asked the Parliamentary Secretary to the Ministry of Civil Aviation why rail services are not used to transport air passengers between Hum airport and London.
The railway service is used to transport air passengers between Hurn and London, but passengers are also conveyed by road.
Is the hon. Gentleman aware that passengers have arrived from America at midnight and that they were put into a coach which took four and a half hours to reach London? And will he try to arrange for train services to meet air passengers arriving at midnight?
I know that there are disadvantages owing to Hum airport being so far from the Capital, but this was a wartime necessity and the real answer is to get Heathrow operating as soon as possible.
As Hum airport is so frequently fog bound, why not divert the traffic to Prestwick?
Is the Par liamentary Secretary aware that when the rail services are used only Pullman tickets are offered? Will he sec that ordinary third and first class tickets are available?
I will consider that.
Airports (Government Control)
7.
asked the Parliamentary Secretary to the Ministry of Civil Aviation if he can now state which airports in this country are to be taken over by the Government.
My Noble Friend hopes to make a statement on this subject in the early future.
Dublin Air Conference
8.
asked the Parliamentary Secretary to the Ministry of Civil Aviation whether he can now report to the House the outcome of the Dublin Air Conference; and whether he has arranged for the siting of the trans-Atlantic Safety Organisation at Prestwick, or whether it is to be at Rineanna.
The Dublin Conference is still in session, and I am not in a position to say what its final recommendations will be. The matter referred to in the second part of the Question is one of those under discussion at the Conference.
Is the Minister aware that international air delegates at Dublin are reported to have been officially pre vented from going to Prestwick and, if so, will he take steps to counteract that?
I will look into the matter, but I am rather sceptical about it.
British European Airways (Scottish Division)
9.
asked the Parliamentary Secretary to the Ministry of Civil Aviation if he will state the proposed functions and powers of the Scottish division of the British European Airways Corporation; and whether these will include the power to inaugurate new services or to modify existing ones in accordance with Scottish needs.
As I stated on 13th March, the Scottish division of British European Airways will be responsible, as part of that Corporation, for the administration of air services within and radiating from Scotland. It follows that the division will be able to make proposals for the inauguration or modification of services in accordance with Scottish needs.
Does the answer mean that they will not have power to inaugurate new services or to modify existing ones?
The ultimate responsibility will lie with the Board of British European Airways. As the part of the Corporation responsible for services in Scotland their proposals will naturally have great weight.
Is the Parliamentary Secretary aware that this does not satisfy the deep feeling in Scotland on this matter, and that Scotland feels it should be given power to provide services in Scotland within the organisation?
I can assure my hon. Friend that full weight is being given to Scottish feelings in this matter It is my Noble Friend's desire to do what we can to meet them.
If decisions are made in London in respect of these services will the hon. Gentleman see that they are taken by Scotsmen?
State-Operated Lines (Statistics)
10.
asked the Parliamentary Secretary to the Ministry of Civil Aviation if preparations are being made to publish receipts, expenditure traffic and other statistical details of the three State-operated civil air lines at regular intervals, in the same way that the privately-operated railway companies published information about the results of their activities.
I ask the hon. Member to await the Civil Aviation Bill which will, I hope, be available in the near future.
Training Ship Cadets
11.
asked the Parliamentary Secretary to the Ministry of Civil Aviation if he is aware of the anxiety felt by cadets serving on training ship H.M.S. "Conway," and other similar ships, concerning the delay in announcing arrangements for such cadets to take courses which will fit them for careers in civil aviation; and if he is now in a position to make a statement on the subject.
As the reply is rather long I will, with permission, circulate it in the Official Report.
Following is the reply:
My Noble Friend was consulted some months ago by the authorities of H.M.S. "Conway" schoolship regarding a proposal to revive a prewar air training scheme to fit their cadets for entry into civil aviation as pilots, air navigators, etc. My Noble Friend informed the schoolship authorities that he saw no reason why such a scheme should not be re-instituted but it was expected that for some time to come the British Overseas Airways Corporation and the proposed new Corporations would be able to recruit almost all necessary staffs from men coming out of the Royal Air Force and the Fleet Air Arm. My Noble Friend added that if the authorities of H.M.S. "Conway" decided to reinstitute their scheme he would be very willing, if they so desired, to arrange a meeting at which the schemes of training could be discussed with representatives of his Ministry, the Corporations, the Air Registration Board and the training authorities of the Service Departments. A reply to this suggestion has not so far been received.
My Noble Friend has not been approached by any other similar ships or institutions regarding this subject.
Minister's Oversea Tour
12.
asked the Parliamentary Secretary to the Ministry of Civil Aviation, if he will make a statement about the recent overseas tour of the Minister; and what results were achieved.
The Conference which my Noble Friend attended in Wellington recommended the establishment of a South Pacific Air Transport Council, for the co-ordination and development of air services in that area. It also recommended the early establishment of a new organisation to be called British Commonwealth Pacific Airlines to operate services between Sydney and Vancouver and between Auckland and Vancouver in parallel partnership with the Canadian company, Trans-Canada Airlines. The new organization will comprise the interests of Australia, New Zealand and the United Kingdom.
In Canberra my Noble Friend discussed future arrangements for services between the United Kingdom and Australia, and negotiated a bilateral agreement between the two countries. In New Delhi he discussed technical problems of common concern to India and ourselves. My Noble Friend proposes to make a statement himself at an early date.Can the Parliamentary Secretary tell us what is meant by the words "parallel partnership?" Does it mean that the partners have been extended and so far produced that they will never meet?
I certainly trust that the aircraft will never meet in this parallel partnership.
What does "parallel partnership" mean? The Parliamentary Secretary has not told us that.
Trans-Atlantic Service
13.
asked the Parliamentary Secretary to the Ministry of Civil Aviation on what date B.O.A.C. will resume a regular trans-Atlantic air service.
The British Overseas Airways Corporation has been operating a trans-Atlantic service between Prestwick and Montreal six times a week since September, 1941. It is expected that this will be supplemented by a service between the United Kingdom and the United States in July.
Transjordan (Treaty)
15.
asked the Secretary of State for the Colonies whether he will now make a statement as to the progress of the negotiations and the terms of the agreement relating to the proposed termination of the Mandate for Transjordan.
The negotiations with His Highness the Amir of Transjordan have made very satisfactory progress. It is expected that a Treaty recognising the independent status of Transjordan in substitution for the present Mandatory regime, and providing for cooperation between Transjordan and His Majesty's Government in future, will be signed towards the end of this week.
Can my hon. Friend give an assurance that as the legality of the whole transaction may be open to question, this House will have the opportunity of discussing all the terms of the proposed Treaty before it is signed?
The Treaty in the ordinary way will be laid before the House and prior to ratification will lie on the Table for 21 days.
Will the hon. Gentleman inform the House what steps have been taken to comply with the provisions of the United Nations Charter in this matter in view of the fact that, according to that Charter, the United Nations organisation should be consulted before any difference is made in respect of man dated territories?
There is no requirement that any formal action should be taken by the Government in regard to the termination of the Mandate.
Has the hon. Gentleman taken any steps to bring the matter before the United Nations organisation?
West Africa
Higher Education
16.
asked the Secretary of State for the Colonies whether a decision has yet been reached on the Report of the Commission on Higher Education in West Africa.
No, Sir. During the recent West African Council, my right hon. Friend discussed with the Governors the very complicated issues raised by the reports. The recommendations of the reports are now receiving active attention in the light of the Governors' reports and the information gained at the West African Council.
Has not a long time been taken by the hon. Gentleman to make up his mind? I thought he gave some indication to West Africa that he had his mind partly made up on this matter. Has his mind deteriorated?
No, Sir. I think my hon. Friend will appreciate that it was a matter on which the fullest opportunity' should be given for the West Africans to express themselves and for my right hon. Friend the Secretary of State for the Colonies to learn at the recent West African Council the views of the Governors and the local people.
Are there any educated West Africans who would put into English the phrase "complicated issues "?
Food Production
24.
asked the Secretary of State for the Colonies whether any encouragement has been given to the West African colonies to expand their production of wheat, rice and millet, in order to ensure the adequacy of their food supplies in the prevailing world shortage.
Ever since the war started the West African Colonial Governments, in common with other Colonial Governments, have been urged to do all in their power to increase production of foodstuffs both for local consumption and export, and to keep me informed of progress made and assistance required. The question has again received special emphasis and attention in recent months. As far as cereals are concerned, the West African Colonies are expected this year to be virtually self-sufficient in rice, maize, millet, and native seed crops. Wheat can be grown only in small quantities in Northern Nigeria and flour therefore has to be imported, but the quantities required are very small.
Malaya
Rubber Industry
17.
asked the Secretary of State for the Colonies when supplies of acetic and formic acid are likely to be available to estates which have joined the Malay Rubber and Estate Owners' Company, Limited, and which are now in production.
The Malayan Rubber Estate Owners' Company has placed orders through the Ministry of Supply for 134 tons of formic acid and one-third of this quantity is now awaiting shipment in this country. I understand that the company has placed, and has had accepted, orders for acetic acid in Australia, but I have no information as to the date when these supplies will be shipped.
18.
asked the Secretary of State for the Colonies the basis on which plantation supplies are being made available to estates which have joined the Malay Rubber Estate Owners' Company, Limited.
The Malayan Rubber Estate Owners Company was formed among all companies and owners of over 100 acres of rubber for the purpose of ensuring a fair distribution of equipment and services which were thought likely to be in short supply. Arrangements have been made whereby the company's requirements of supplies in this country are ordered at its request by the Colonial Office from the Ministry of Supply against an undertaking by the Company to take them over on a c.i.f. basis. The distribution of such supplies after the c.i.f. stage is a matter for the Board of the Company.
Is the Under secretary aware that some estates which are now in full production have received nothing from this organisation so far except requests for subscriptions and reams of paper? If it cannot produce supplies of essential materials would it not be better to wind it up?
The delay is not on the side of the Government. These orders were placed in December and the Ministry of Supply is handling them.
British Citizenship
26.
asked the Secretary of State for the Colonies, under what pro vision of the Foreign Jurisdiction Act, 1890, Orders in Council conferring British citizenship upon inhabitants of a foreign country are promulgated.
I am not aware of any Orders in Council made under the provisions of the Foreign Jurisdiction Act, which confer British nationality upon the inhabitants of a foreign country.
Transfer Of Assets
27.
asked the Secretary of State for the Colonies, under what pro vision of the Foreign Jurisdiction Act, 1890, it is proposed to vest in the Crown all lands in the Malay States not in private possession and to issue titles to such lands as Crown grants; whether the explanatory note supplied to Sir Harold MacMichael referred to this proposal; when it was communicated to the rulers of the Malay States; and whether it is contained in the treaties recently concluded with these rulers.
I assume that the hon. Member refers to the proposed transfer of assets described in paragraph 12(a) of Command Paper No. 6749 as qualified by the exceptions noted in paragraph 12(d) of that Paper. The answer to the first part of the Question is that the necessary powers are conferred by Section I of the Foreign Jurisdiction Act, 1890. As regards the remainder of the Question, I would invite the hon. Member's attention to Sir Harold MacMichael's report recently published as Colonial Paper No. 194. As stated in paragraph 10 of Appendix I to the Report the explanatory note handed to each Ruler contained a clear statement of His Majesty's. Government's intention in this regard. That note was given to each Ruler, after a full verbal explanation of its contents, at interviews which took place on various dates between the 18th of October (Johore) and the 21st of December (Trengganu). It was not necessary for the treaties with the Rulers (the texts of which are contained in Appendix II to the Report) to deal specifically with this matter.
Far East Internees (Assistance)
19.
asked the Secretary of State for the Colonies, in how many cases internees and prisoners of war returning to this country from the Far East, and intending to remain permanently in the United Kingdom, have been able to obtain from the Crown Agents for the Colonies a grant for the purchase of furniture, house hold goods, etc., in accordance with the provisions of the message from him circulated to these persons on their arrival in this country in October, 1945.
Grants have been paid in 47 cases, and 12 cases are in course of payment. A further 32 applications are at present under consideration.
Will my hon. Friend bear in mind that these unfortunate people are in some instances in a very difficult situation, and will he please give more consideration to the matter?
Certainly, Sir.
Gold Coast (Furniture Industry)
20.
asked the Secretary of State for the Colonies what assistance is given to native furniture-building co-operatives in the Gold Coast.
There are no furniture building co-operatives in the Gold Coast at present. Assistance in the form of technical advice and timber supplies is being given to African makers of furniture by the Industrial Development Board and the Forestry Department of the Government.
Palestine (Propaganda)
23.
asked the Secretary of State for the Colonies if he has considered the pamphlet, "Where to go in Tel Aviv," a copy of which has been sent to him; if he will inquire where this pamphlet was printed; and what steps the Government are taking to prevent this kind of propaganda in Palestine.
I have seen the pamphlet to which the hon. Member refers and have addressed an inquiry to the High Commissioner for Palestine. I will inform the hon. Member as soon as I receive the High Commissioner's report.
Is the hon. Gentleman aware that there are a number of these pamphlets intended for the Middle East as Zionist propaganda and that they are published in this country presumably by Zionists here—theycould not be said to be published by Arabs—and will he look into the matter with a view to curtailing these activities?
That is another question. The Question referred to a specific pamphlet and suitable action has been taken on that.
I think my hon. Friend might find that this pamphlet or one very similar to it is being published in this country.
West Indies (Tourist Trade)
25.
asked the Secretary of State for the Colonies whether, in view of the need for restoring the tourist trade to the island of Jamaica, he will consider making arrangements to abolish the wartime regulations compelling visitors to Jamaica to produce pass ports, as has been done in Bermuda and the Bahamas.
It is not considered advisable in present circumstances that passport requirements should be entirely abolished, but I am glad to say that it has recently been found possible consider ably to relax the regulations regarding visas. United States citizens, who constitute the majority of the visitors, are not now required to obtain visas for visits of less than six months duration, and persons in transit and passengers on tourist vessels may also visit the island without visas. These relaxations extend also to the other West Indian Colonies, and I hope that they will have a beneficial effect on the tourist trade of these Colonies
Malta (War Damage Contributions)
29.
asked the Secretary of State for the Colonies if, in view of the service which the people of Malta have rendered to the United Nations, he will arrange for the cancellation of the ordinance under which the Maltese people are the only subjects of the Crown still called upon to pay war-damage contributions.
The legislation in Malta providing for schemes of compensation for war damage follows closely the lines of the similar legislation in the United Kingdom, and I see no grounds for cancelling the balance of contributions due under it, the payment of which ex tends over the same period as contributions in this country. In accordance with the proposal submitted to the House by the Chancellor of the Exchequer on the 10th November, 1942, Parliament have already made clear their appreciation of the services of the people of Malta by voting a free gift of £10 million for meeting liabilities under the legislation and for other expenses incidental to the rebuilding of the Island.
Is the hon. Gentleman aware that many people in Malta feel that this money should be found by Italy, and will he give consideration to this very reasonable proposal?
A very substantial contribution has been made already, and there is no reason to depart from the existing arrangements so far as war damage is concerned.
Jamaica (Strikes)
30.
asked the Secretary of State for the Colonies if he is now able to make a statement about the strikes in the mental hospital, railways, fire service, printing office, and part of the Public Works Department, Jamaica.
The Government Printing Office employees returned to work on 25th of February. The strikes in other essential services ended by agreement with the Trades Union Council on nth of March. As I informed the House on 13th of March, this enables any out standing matters affecting the workers to be settled by negotiation.
Is it not a fact that at the back of these strikes is the rivalry between the T.U.C. union and Mr. Bustamente's union, and may I ask him if Mr. Bustamente's personal union is liable for registration under the trade union laws of the Colony?
The latter part of the question should obviously be addressed to the Governor of Jamaica and I am unable to answer it. Undoubtedly, a great deal of the trouble has arisen from internal union rivalry.
Syria And Lebanon (French Troops)
33.
asked the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs whether he has represented to the French Government that the proposal to retain French troops in the Lebanon until March, 1947, is not in accordance with the resolution of the Security Council, accepted by the French Foreign Minister, that these troops would be evacuated as soon as practicable; and whether he will assure the House that the promise given to the Lebanese, that British troops will remain in the Lebanon until all French troops have been with drawn, will be maintained.
The answer to the first part of the Question is in the negative. Both His Majesty's Government and the French Government are bound by their acceptance of the United States resolution, which represented the majority view at the recent meeting of the Security Council, to withdraw their troops from Syria and the Lebanon as soon as practicable. It is not for us to determine the time required for this operation by the French authorities. We have, nevertheless, offered them our help in the way of transport. In reply to the second part of the Question, I would point out that our undertaking to the Security Council to withdraw British troops as soon as practicable supersedes all previous arrangements in this matter.
Can my right hon. Friend say why the French are not withdrawing at the same time? Is the difficulty one of transport facilities?
There are certain long standing difficulties in regard to heavy equipment. We have not been there quite so long.
Great Britain And Russia (Embassy Staffs)
34.
asked the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs how many persons are accredited to the Soviet Embassy in London; and how many are accredited to the British Embassy in Moscow.
The number of persons recorded in the Foreign Office as comprising the staff of the Soviet Embassy in London, excluding domestics, is 103; 86 persons, excluding domestics, are employed on the staff of His Majesty's Embassy at Moscow.
Parliamentarydelegations (European Countries)
35.
asked the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs whether he will make arrangements for all party delegations of Members of Parliament to visit Belgium and Czechoslovakia, in response to invitations from these Governments.
A reply has already been given on the subject of a delegation to Czechoslovakia. Subject to the invitations of the respective Governments, I shall be happy to make any necessary arrangements at a suitable time.
Are any reciprocal arrangements made with these countries to send delegations here?
I am continually pressing them to send delegations here.
36.
asked the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs whether he will make arrangements for an all party delegation of Members of Parliament to visit Hungary, in response to the invitation from the Hungarian Government.
I hope that arrangements can be made for such a visit during the Easter Recess.
I am most grateful to my right hon. Friend.
Germany (Government)
37.
asked the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs whether the Allied Control Council is for international purposes the recognised Government of Germany.
The Allied Control Council is the agency through which the government of Germany is carried on, but its position and that of Germany itself are without precedent. The foreign relations of Germany as a State are in abeyance, and the status and functions of the Control Council for international purposes must, therefore, develop according to circumstances.
Which is the recognised Government of Germany?
The Allied Control Council is absolutely responsible, but there are many other things such as prewar debts and obligations, which have not yet been definitely transferred.
Unrra (Food Production Assistance)
38.
asked the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs whether, in view of the present food shortage in Europe, and the need for successful harvests this summer, U.N.R.R.A. is taking steps to distribute widely, seeds and agricultural machinery, especially to Hungary, where these are in short supply.
Yes, Sir. U.N.R.R.A. is taking steps to provide seeds and agricultural machinery for the countries in which U.N.R.R.A. is operating. In all these countries it is expected that there will be a notable recovery in food production this year. As regards Hungary, U.N.R.R.A. is not authorised to do more than provide medical and sanitary aid and supplies and other emergency relief supplies for persons in greatest need such as children and nursing and expectant mothers. It has not so far been held that this provision covers the rehabilitation of agriculture.
Does not my right hon. Friend agree that in the case of Hungary, which was once regarded as the granary of Europe, and which has millions of acres of fertile soil, the pro vision of agricultural machinery and seeds would be a most useful way of providing us with food this year?
Yes, I realise that, but there are many other problems connected with Hungary which make the task very difficult.
Foreign Service (Women's Recruitment)
39.
asked the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs whether he is now able to state the Government's proposals for future recruitment to His Majesty's Foreign Service; and especially whether it is their intention to establish equality of opportunity in this regard as between men and women.
Recruitment to His Majesty's Foreign Service is now con ducted by the Civil Service Commissioners in accordance with the policy set forth in Command Paper 6567, which deals with recruitment to established posts in the Civil Service as a whole during the Reconstruction period. With regard to the second part of the Question, a Committee was appointed under the chairmanship of Sir Ernest Gowers to examine the admission of women into the Foreign Service, and I have now received their Report, which is unanimous. A copy of it will be placed in the Library. His Majesty's Government have agreed to accept the Report and, on the assumption that a general marriage bar will be imposed, which I shall have the power to waive in exceptional circumstances, we have accepted the Committee's recommendation that women shall be equally eligible with men for admission to the Foreign Service.
The Committee, however, recommend that during the reconstruction period— which is affected by the recruitment of men who have been debarred by war ser vice from normal entry—the numbers of women to be recruited should be limited to a maximum of 10 per cent. of the total admitted from the Reconstruction Com petition as a whole. We have accepted the Committee's recommendation that when making appointments to posts abroad women should be eligible equally with men for appointment to both diplomatic and consular posts. The necessary arrangements are being made by the Civil Service Commissioners to give effect to these recommendations. I should like to take this opportunity of thanking Sir Ernest Gowers and the Committee for performing this notable service.While I thank my right hon. Friend for his reply, may I ask him whether he is aware that women in this country and many other parts of the world will welcome the acceptance by the Government of the principle of equality of opportunity for men and women in His Majesty's Foreign Service?
My predecessor and I were guided in this matter by the Committee.
Is there any differentiation in the standard of remuneration of men and women in the Foreign Service?
I am not certain, but, generally speaking, there is a difference in such remuneration in the Civil Service. I cannot say at the moment, however, whether that applies to this case or not.
Is it not a fact that candidates entering the Foreign Service are interviewed by a special board com posed of Foreign Service officials, and that the finding of that board is decisive in the appointment of a candidate?
I should like notice of these questions about appointment, which do not arise out of the Question on the Order Paper.
Can my right hon. Friend say in what circumstances the marriage bar will be operated and will be waived? Does he think the marriage bar is necessary?
This is a very difficult problem. I cannot say in what circum stances it would be operated or waived, but I do know of the difficulty with men sometimes, the other way round.
Persia (Russian Troops)
40.
asked the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs the approximate number of additional Soviet troops that have recently entered North Persia in contravention of the Tripartite Treaty to which this country is a party.
I am not in a position to give the information asked for.
In view of the gravity of this matter, will my right hon. Friend make it his business to obtain the information, so that it can be either dismissed or confirmed?
It has now gone to the Security Council, and I think it ought to be left there for investigation.
Is it not the case that very wild exaggerations are being published in the Press?
The hon. Gentleman's source of information is better than mine; I do not know.
Security Council (Govern Ment Representative)
41.
asked the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs whether, in view of the importance of the issues which are likely to be raised at the forthcoming meeting of the U.N.O. Security Council, arrangements will be made for the United Kingdom to be represented at that meeting by a Minister of the Crown.
The Security Council is about to begin its regular meetings under Article 28 of the Charter. Sir Alexander Cadogan has been appointed Permanent Representative of His Majesty's Government for these regular meetings. He will act on instructions from His Majesty's Government and will, of course, keep in the closest touch with me I am satisfied with this arrangement, which corresponds to Article 28 of the Charter and to the practice of other Governments represented on the Security Council.
In view of the grave and far-reaching responsibilities resting upon the shoulders of the British Permanent Representative on the Security Council, will the Government consider appointing a Minister resident at the scat of U.N.O. for this office?
I think the arrangement that has been made is a very good one, and I stand by it.
Will not the right hon. Gentleman consider very seriously whether his personal presence is not most desirable at this particular meeting at which such very grave issues may arise?
I must follow events, but one can cause trouble by dramatising too much as well as by being mundane.
Royal Navy
Demobilisation
43.
asked the First Lord of the Admiralty what will be the rate of demobilisation, in groups, up to June, 1946, of officers and warrant officers in the following branches of the R.N.: medical officers, dental officers, chaplains and Naval schoolmasters.
I would refer my hon. Friend to the reply given by my right hon. Friend on 11th March to the hon. and gallant Member for Dumfries (Major N. Macpherson).
Rosyth Dockyard(Future)
44.
asked the First Lord of the Admiralty if he has considered the resolution from the Dunfermline Trades Council and Burgh Labour Party sent to him by the hon. Member for Fife, Western, calling for an immediate decision on the future of Rosyth naval base; and what answer he has made.
Yes, Sir. I fully appreciate the anxiety of Scotland to be given a definite decision on the future of Rosyth Dockyard. This must, however, depend upon the size of the postwar Navy, and the commitments which it is required to undertake. These questions are engaging the attention of His Majesty's Government, but it is likely to be some time be fore any firm decision is reached. As soon as I am in a position to make any statement concerning the future of Rosyth, I shall do so. The reply to the resolution will be on these lines.
Is not the Minister aware that the question of Rosyth should be considered in relation to Scotland and not in relation to the plans for the South of England, and will he consider it from that point of view?
I will certainly consider the urgent need of Scotland, but I am primarily concerned with the urgent need of the Navy to have the bases in the right places.
Wireless Licence (Old Age Pensioners)
45.
asked the Prime Minister if he has considered the protest sent to him by the hon. Member for Stalybridge and Hyde, on behalf of 4,000 old age pensioners, against the increased cost of wireless licences; and what action he proposes to take
Yes, Sir, but I regret that I am unable to add anything to the statement made by my right hon. Friend the Lord President of the Council on 5th February in reply to similar Questions on this subject.
Victory Celebrations
46.
asked the Prime Minister whether he is aware of the difficulties caused to holiday resorts by the selection of the Saturday before Whit Sunday as the official day for the celebration of victory; that residents in holiday resorts must work at this period to cater for their visitors; and whether he will produce alternative suggestions so that victory celebrations may be shared by all.
Yes, Sir, I am aware that some holiday resorts feel that the selection of 8th June creates difficulties for them. As the House knows, this day was chosen after a very careful review of the many factors involved and was found, on balance, to be the most suitable day for celebrations by the whole community The celebrations for which the Government are responsible are being confined to London and Edinburgh; elsewhere they are a matter for the dis- cretion of the local authority concerned. I have no doubt that, where appropriate, the local authority will take into account the difficulties to which the hon. and gallant Member refers, but I must make it clear that there can be no question of a day other than 8th June being the public holiday for victory celebrations.
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asked the Minister of Food what steps he is taking to make it possible for visitors to holiday resorts to obtain meals and rationed foods on 8th June, or to warn visitors that most retailers and caterers will be closed on that day.
I would refer the hon. Member to the de tailed reply which I gave on 13th March on this subject to the hon. and gallant Member for Blackpool (Wing-Commander Robinson). I am sending him a copy. As stated by my right hon. Friend on 27th February, a statement as to the arrangements for Victory Day will be made in due course.
Germany (British Zone, Visits)
48.
asked the Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster whether he will reconsider the application of an English woman to visit her mother in Hamburg, who is aged 73, nearly blind, and who can be reached by sea.
In view of the conditions in Germany, which are still very difficult, it is not possible to allow private persons to visit the British Zone. I am, however, considering whether an exception can be made in compassionate cases and I will let the hon. Member know when a decision has been reached.
Will the Chancellor of the Duchy give an assurance that each of these applications will be considered on its merits, intelligently,. humanely and sym pathetically, and not merely by rule of thumb?
I have not given any assurance that the door can be opened. I am considering whether exceptions can be made for compassionate cases, and if such concessions are made, of course applications will be dealt with on the strength of the compassionate claim.
Food Supplies
Queue Priority Labels
49.
asked the Minister of Food how many food officers are. without supplies of the special cards for giving pregnant women priority in food queues; why these cards were allowed to go out of print; and what steps he intends to take to grant pregnant women priority in food queues until the cards are again available.
No food office should be without supplies of the queue priority labels for expectant mothers, but I am aware that certain food offices in the London area failed to replenish their stocks of these labels and some offices were without supplies for a time, although ample stocks were available and the form is not out of print. This position in London has now been remedied and steps will be taken to see that similar circum stances do not arise again.
Importers (Selling Organisation)
50.
asked the Minister of Food why he is insisting that importers without selling or wholesale premises should sell through first hand salesmen to wholesalers; and whether he will consider allowing them to sell direct to wholesalers as in prewar days.
Importers, whether they have selling premises or not, may sell direct to wholesalers. They may not themselves act as wholesalers unless they did so before the war and hold a whole sale licence.
Is the hon. Lady aware that these first hand salesmen are additional middlemen between the tomatoes and the public, and will she look into the matter again?
The first hand sales man and the wholesaler have the same licence, and the importer can deal with either. He does not have to deal with both. They are not an extra link in our chain of distribution.
51.
asked the Minister of Food why he has introduced into the distribution machinery for tomatoes from the Canary Islands a superfluous category known as first hand salesmen; whether he is aware that these men were not used before the war and that they will serve no function other than raising the retail selling price; and whether he proposes to establish first hand salesmen pools for the distribution of other fresh fruits and vegetables which he has promised to have imported from the Continent.
If the hon. Member is referring to the two associations which have been established to secure as far as possible equitable distribution of Canary Island tomatoes, these are in no sense an additional or superfluous category of distributors. They do not affect the importer's freedom to sell to any wholesaler. The answer to the last part of the Question is "No, Sir."
Is the hon. Lady aware that a certain group of importers of Canary tomatoes did offer to bring them across to this country and sell them to the public cheaper, provided that the first hand salesmen were dispensed with?
I think the hon. Gentleman is under a misapprehension. These organisations are sponsored by the Ministry of Food, but they are non-profit . making. There is no question of their getting an extra margin. We set them up merely for the purpose of ensuring equitable distribution of the avail able tomatoes.
Will my hon. Friend examine again the Tomatoes Order of October, 1945, in which she will find there are additional middlemen?
I am very anxious that additional middlemen should not be introduced. I can assure the hon. Gentle man that I have examined these Orders very closely, and I cannot agree with him.
Is the hon. Lady aware that there is a distinct difference between the Ministry's definition of a first hand sale or a first hand salesman in the Tomatoes Order, 1941, and the Tomatoes Order, 1945, and that it is a fact that, if a first hand salesman does not make a profit, he receives a definite, substantial and almost totally unearned increment?
What happens to the difference between the buying and the selling price of the tomatoes paid to and received by the first hand salesman?
Of course, we have middlemen at the moment. What I have told the House is that we have not introduced any additional link in our chain. During the war, when we set up our machinery of distribution, we decided to use the men who were functioning in the particular industry, which I think was equitable, and for the time being we are using them; but I cannot at the moment tell the hon. Gentleman what the shape of things to come will be.
Food Ships (Destination)
52.
asked the Minister of Food why ships carrying food for storage are being diverted from Glasgow to London and Liverpool.
No ships carrying food intended for storage in Glasgow are being diverted to London or Liverpool, but the normal interchange of destinations necessitated by the food position in this country has taken place.
Victory Celebrations
53.
asked the Minister of Food whether, in view of the approaching victory celebrations on 8th June, he will afford bakeries an increased amount of sugar, fats, tea, etc., so that children and old people may partake of a public tea as part of the day's celebration; and if, to regulate possible abuse, he will make it obligatory that persons organising such a function shall obtain a certificate of bona fides from the clerk of the local authority, or the food officer for the area.
The arrangements for the victory celebrations on 8th June are being prepared, and a statement will be made in due course.
Blue Peas
54.
asked the Minister of Food what is the price being paid per cwt. for the bulk purchase of blue peas by his Department in Holland.
My right hon. Friend does not consider that it would be in the national interest to state publicly the prices which his Department pay for their purchases.
Is the hon. Lady prepared to give any reason for that statement?
Certainly, Sir. I think every businessman in the House realises that the Ministry of Food are in part a trading concern, and it is not advisable to disclose all the prices we give.
Wheat And Flour Reserves
56.
asked the Minister of Food whether he will state the amount of wheat and flour held in reserve at 31st December, 1943.