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Written Answers

Volume 606: debated on Monday 8 June 1959

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Written Answers To Questions

Monday, 8th June, 1959

Employment

Fawley (New Industrial Buildings)

5.

asked the Minister of Labour how many workers were employed in new construction at Fawley, Hampshire, in December, 1958, January, 1959, and at the latest available date.

I am informed that about 2,850 workers were engaged on the erection of new industrial buildings in the Fawley area in December, 1958, compared with about 2,500 in January, 1959, and about 1,260 at the end of May, 1959.

West Bromwich (Foundry Workers)

10.

asked the Minister of Labour whether he is aware that a number of foundries in West Bromwich are working short time; and what proposals he has to remedy this state of affairs.

Yes. I understand that some 300 foundry workers in West Bromwich are working short time but this number is expected to decrease as activity in the iron and steel trades increases.

Stockport

17.

asked the Minister of Labour the number of unemployed registered in the County Borough of Stockport at the last convenient date.

North-East Scotland (Training Facilities)

asked the Minister of Labour, in view of the need for encouraging new industries in north-east Scotland in order to reduce the high ratio of unemployment there as compared with other places, if he will state his plans for training schemes and training centres located in north-east Scotland designed to co-operate with new firms building up their respective specialised labour forces there.

As stated in reply to my hon. Friend, the Member for Lanark (Mr. Patrick Maitland) on 18th March, my Department is always ready to help resettle in suitable employment people who have lost their jobs, and where necessary, appropriate facilities for training are available for this purpose. If I received a specific proposal of the kind suggested, I would certainly consider it.

Aberdeen

asked the Minister of Labour if he will make a statement on the visit to Scotland of the Parliamentary Secretary to his Department to investigate unemployment there with special regard to Aberdeen; and if he will indicate his plans for eliminating unemployment there.

Yes. My hon. Friend's visit was of value to us both in renewing a personal acquaintance with some of Scotland's unemployment problems. As to the last part of the Question, unemployment in both Scotland generally and Aberdeen in particular has fallen in recent months and will I hope continue to benefit from the general measures introduced by the Government to stimulate the economy and, in the case of Aberdeen from the efforts of my right hon. Friend the President of the Board of Trade to interest industrialists in the locality where, as the hon. and learned Member knows, Government help is available to them.

Pensions And National Insurance

Reciprocal Agreements

37.

asked the Minister of Pensions and National Insurance with which countries the United Kingdom now has reciprocal agreements for National Insurance; and what further agreements are being negotiated.

There are now in force reciprocal agreements on social security with Northern Ireland, the Isle of Man, Jersey, Guernsey—family allowances only—the Irish Republic, Australia, New Zealand, Cyprus, Malta, Belgium, Denmark—Industrial Injuries only—France, Israel, Italy, Luxembourg, the Netherlands, Norway, Sweden, Switzerland and Yugoslavia. An agreement with the Federal Republic of Germany was negotiated in 1956 but on account of changes in German legislation it has never been ratified and is now being re-negotiated. Negotiations for agreements with Austria, Denmark, Finland and Turkey are also in progress.

Widows

33.

asked the Minister of Pensions and National Insurance what it would cost to increase the 10s. widow's pension to the purchasing power it enjoyed in 1946; and whether he will make a statement.

About £3 million a year. I have nothing to add to what I have previously said on this subject.

Industrial Injuries Act (Prescribed Diseases)

36.

asked the Minister of Pensions and National Insurance whether a decision has yet been reached on the inclusion of bursitis of the shoulder in the Prescribed Diseases Schedule to the Industrial Injuries Act.

This matter is still being considered by the Industrial Injuries Advisory Council.

Agriculture, Fisheries And Food

Eggs

29.

asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food what percentage of the eggs in shell consumed in England last year were imported.

It is estimated that about 1½ per cent. of the eggs in shell consumed in the United Kingdom in the year 1958 were imported. No separate figures for England are available.

Gas

Former Municipal Employees (Pensions)

49.

asked the Paymaster-General whether he will give directions to the gas boards to increase the pensions of ex-municipal gas works employees to keep them in line with other civil and military pensioners.

No. Increases in such pensions would be payable out of the revenues of the Gas Boards and it is for the Board to consider and initiate any proposals to my noble Friend for his approval.

Coal

Long-Term Plan (Review)

50.

asked the Paymaster-General what revisions are taking place in the coal investment plan; and at what date the revised plan for 1960 will be published.

The National Coal Board's review of the industry's long-term plan is still in progress and has not yet been submitted to my noble Friend. A statement will be made as soon as possible.

Electricity

Nuclear Power Stations (Cost)

asked the Paymaster-General the estimated average cost of the provision of a nuclear energy plant for the generation of electrical current.

The cost depends on the type and size of the plant and on the nature of the site, but it is expected that the large nuclear power stations now being built or designed for the Central Electricity Generating Board will cost of the order of £60 million to £65 million, excluding the initial fuel charge. for a station of 500,000 kilowatts output capacity.

Ministry Of Supply

Aircraft Industry (Exports)

56.

asked the Minister of Supply what steps he is taking to sustain the export of aircraft and spares at the present level.

It is my constant endeavour to assist by all methods at my disposal the efforts of the aircraft industry to achieve a high level of exports, for instance by seeking to align the home user's specification with the likely export specification, by adjusting delivery programmes in agreement with the Service Departments and by technical help from my research and development establishments and inspectorates.The manufacturers are assisted by Her Majesty's Government's posts overseas and by the Export Credits Guarantee Department which has recently been authorised to cover longer credit purchase for large jet aircraft.

Chemical Defence Experimental Establishment (Animals)

57.

asked the Minister of Supply what types of animals, and how many of each type, have been destroyed at the Chemical Defence Experimental Establishment.

During the last six months about 3,000 animals have been destroyed in the course of experiments at the Chemical Defence Experimental Establishment. Ten different types of animals were used.Following are the details:

Cats32
Dogs42
Guinea pigs192
Hens351
Mice349
Pigeons24
Pigs20
Rabbits239
Rats1,708
Sheep31
Total2,988

Scientific And Industrial Research

Space Research

58.

asked the Minister of Supply, as representing the Lord President of the Council, what proposals he has received from the Canadian Government for the United Kingdom to share in the work of the Canadian permanent joint committee on space research; and what reply he has made.

None, but hon. Members may have seen that Mr. Diefenbaker announced at Kingston, Ontario on 15th May, that the Canadian Government would be glad to undertake the consultation which the Prime Minister proposed in the course of his statement on 12th May.

Ministry Of Health

Poliomyelitis

62.

asked the Minister of Health what evidence he has that the lower incidence of poliomyelitis in Wales in the last few years is associated with the relative absence of main line railways in the Principality, and that cases of poliomyelitis are more frequent in the vicinity of areas in which crude untreated sewage is deposited on railway lines.

I know of no evidence to indicate that poliomyelitis incidence is related to the existence of main line railways.

Chiropodists

63.

asked the Minister of Health what arrangements he is making to ensure that qualified chiropodists are employed in schemes for chiropody services submitted to him by local health authorities in cases when it is proposed to use voluntary organisations.

Where a local health authority decides to arrange for the provision of a chiropody service wholly or in part by contributing to a voluntary organisation, I would expect the authority, through its medical officer of health, to satisfy itself that a reasonable standard of service would be provided.

National Health Service (Advice On Contraception)

64.

asked the Minister of Health whether he will now implement the recommendation of the 1949 Report of the Royal Commission on Population that the giving of advice on contraception to married persons who want it should be accepted as a duty of the National Health Service.

I am not at present intending to widen the scope of the facilities already available for this purpose under the National Health Service.

Nurses (Pay And Accommodation)

65.

asked the Minister of Health what proportion of a nurse's pay was deducted for accommodation before the recently announced increase in her salary; and what will be the proportion after the increase has become effective.

The proportion of salary which resident nurses pay back to the hospital as a board and lodging charge varies according to grade, and within grades according to the incremental point reached on the salary scale. In the following table, figures are given for some of the main nursing grades in general hospitals:

PROPORTION OF SALARY PAID AS RESIDENCE CHARGE*
Grade (General Nurses)Up to 28th February, 1959From 1st March, 1959
At minimum of scaleAt maximum of scaleAt minimum of scaleAt maximum of scale
per cent.per cent.per cent.per cent.
Student Nurse45414540
Staff Nurse36293629
Ward Sister33273326
Matron (lowest grade)33303329
Matron (highest grade)26222723
* The charge includes board and lodging and personal laundry.

asked the Minister of Health his latest estimate of the extent to which nurses' accommodation is subsidised.

While charges are generally below the cost of providing accommodation and other services for resident nurses, no comprehensive estimate of the size of the subsidy is available.

Putney Migraine Clinic

68.

asked the Minister of Health whether he will investigate the work of the Putney Migraine Clinic, details of which have been sent to him by the hon. Member for Southampton. Itchen.

70.

asked the Minister of Health what representations he has received from the Putney Migraine Clinic for an impartial inquiry into the treatment given at the clinic; and if he will make a statement.

71.

asked the Minister of Health whether, in view of the widespread incidence of migraine, he will inquire into the claim of Putney Health Centre to have found a cure for this functional disorder.

I would refer the hon. Members to my reply to the Adjournment Debate on 4th June.

Nurses (Overtime)

69.

asked the Minister of Health if he is aware of the discontent among the staff nurses in hospitals because the new agreement on nurses' salaries does not allow for extra payment until 96 hours per fortnight have been worked and what action he proposes to take in this matter.

No. The new arrangements for additional payments were agreed between the two Sides of the Whitley Council and the latter part of the Question does not therefore arise.

Radiographers

asked the Minister of Health how many new entrants as radiographers came in to the National Health Service in each of the years 1956, 1957, and 1958; and how many left in the same years.

I regret the information is not available in the form requested. The numbers of student radiographers commencing training in England and Wales each year were:

1956450
1957481
1958548
During the same period, the total number of radiographers employed whole-time in the hospital service increased by 11; and those employed part-time by 85. As the training course lasts two years, the results of the 1958 student intake will not affect the figures of qualified staff until 1960.

Pharmacists

asked the Minister of Health how many new entrants as pharmacists came in to the National Health Service in each of the years 1956, 1957, and 1958; and how many left in the same years.

I regret the information is not available in the form requested. The number of pharmacists (expressed in terms of whole-time officers) employed in the hospital service at the end of each year from 1955 to 1958 were:

19551267
19561305
19571314
19581315

Nurses And Midwives Whitley Council (Staff Side)

asked the Minister of Health if he will give the composition of the Staff Side of the nurses and midwives Whitley Council, according to the type of hospitals in which they work, and the nursing grades to which they belong.

Under the constitution of the Nurses and Midwives Whitley Council the Staff Side of the Council is composed as follows:

OrganisationNo. of representatives
Association of Hospital Matrons2
Association of Supervisors of Mid-wives1
Confederation of Health Services Employees4
Association of Hospital and Welfare Administrators1
National and Local Government Officers' Association4
National Union of General and Municipal Workers3
National Union of Public Employees4
Royal College of Midwives6
Royal College of Nursing12
Scottish Matrons' Association1
Scottish Health Visitors' Association1
Women Public Health Officers' Association2
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I am not aware of the professional status of the individual members of the Staff Side although I understand that a number of them are serving nurses. The composition of the Staff Side is a matter for the Staff Side itself and the members are appointed by the organisations they represent.

Hospitals

Heatherwood Hospital And Wokingham Maternity Wing

66.

asked the Minister of Health the amount of the accepted tenders for the additions to Heather-wood Hospital, and the Wokingham Maternity Wing, respectively, and the contract dates for completion.

I do not think it is wise to disclose the amounts of tenders for hospital building, but the estimated costs of these two projects including fees and equipment are, approximately, £170,000 for Heatherwood Hospital and £110,000 for Wokingham Maternity Unit. The contract dates for the completion of building work are, for Heatherwood, January 1961, and for Wokingham, March 1960.

St Mary's Hospital, Manchester

asked the Minister of Health, in view of the long waiting time which must elapse in respect of gynaecological operations at St. Mary's Hospital, Manchester, what action he proposes to take to improve the position.

The Board of Governors has been in consultation with the Regional Hospital Board and is making arrangements to inform general practitioners that the waiting lists at other hospitals in the Manchester area are shorter than at St. Mary's; I shall bear in mind the proposal for a new maternity hospital in Manchester when I am next in a position to announce a further list of major schemes to be financed centrally.

Laos (International Commission)

74.

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs if he will now publish the texts of the recent exchange of Notes with the Soviet Government regarding the implementation of the Geneva Agreements in Laos.

During the past four months we have received a number of communications on the question of Laos from the Soviet Government, making accusations against the Royal Laotian Government and calling for the return of the International Commission which adjourned sine die last July. Discussions between my right hon. and learn Friend and the Soviet Foreign Minister have also taken place during the last few days in Geneva.

We have investigated all the accusations against the Laotian Government with great care and have concluded that they have not violated in any respect the Geneva Agreements, as alleged by the Soviet Government. We have also carefully studied the legal position, having regard in particular to the undertaking given in paragraph 12 in the Final Declaration of the Geneva Conference to respect the sovereignty and independence of Laos, and have concluded that, if, as they do, the Government of Laos oppose the return of the International Commision their wishes should be respected.

At the present moment when my right hon. and learned Friend is still in the process of discussing this matter with the Soviet Foreign Minister, I cannot say any more. Nor can I make any comment on the most recent developments in Laos. But my right hon. and learned Friend is about to send a reply to the Soviet Note of 30th May and this will be published after it has been delivered. Meanwhile, however, it may help to place the matter in its proper perspective if I circulate in the OFFICIAL REPORT our Note to the Soviet Government of 7th April. We had been waiting to receive Soviet reactions to it but, as they have now published their Note of 30th of May, which makes no reference to ours, I consider we should now publish it.

Following is the information:

Note To The Soviet Government Delivered By Hm Embassy In Moscow On April 7

"The British Embassy, etc. refer to the Soviet Government's Note No. 22/2E of February 26, and their Note No. 36/2E of March 21, regarding the International Commission for Supervision and Control in Laos. Her Majesty's Government have studied the Soviet Government's suggestion that the Co Chairmen should pronounce in favour of a rapid renewal of the practical work of the International Commission for Laos and have also noted the communications dated February 4 and March 4 from Pham Van Dong. he following are their views.

2. As the Soviet Government is aware from the talks between representatives of the Co-Chairmen at which the Co-Chairmen's messages to the Chairman of the International Commission and to the Indian Government of January 31 were agreed, the United Kingdom Government consider that, with the achievement in May, 1958, of the political settlement envisaged in Article 14 of the Agreement on the Cessation of Hostilities in Laos, the International Commission for Laos has completed the task laid upon it at Geneva. Moreover the Royal Laotian Government has expressed its opposition to the return of the International Commission. In these circumstances, an attempt to re-establish the Commission in Laos, without the concurrence of the Royal Laotian Government, would in the view of Her Majesty's Government he inconsistent with the Geneva Settlement—in particular, paragraph 12 of the Final Declaration.

3. No arguments have been brought to the attention of the United Kingdom Government which in their opinion would warrant the reconvening of the International Commission at this time. The United Kingdom Government are, therefore, unable to agree with the suggestion made by the Soviet Government.

4. Her Majesty's Government have also studied the letter of the Minister of Foreign Affairs of the Chinese People's Republic, dated the 19th of February, concerning this question. This letter contained statements which appeared to be inaccurate regarding the position of the Royal Laotian Government and of the United States Government of whom Her Majesty's Government therefore made inquiries. Her Majesty's Government wish now to propose that the attached draft communication to the Chinese Government which contains clarification of the position of the two Governments should now be dispatched by the Co-Chairmen. They hope that this draft reply will be acceptable to the Soviet Government."

Draft Reply From Her Majesty's Government And The Soviet Government To The Chinese Foreign Minister's Letter Of February 19

"Your Excellency,

The Co-Chairmen of the Geneva Conference on Indo-China have carefully considered Your Excellency's letter of February 19 on the subject of the declaration, dated February 11, of the Royal Laotian Government and the related statement by the Press officer of the State Department of the United States on the question of the Geneva Agreements.

2. With regard to the declaration by the Royal Laotian Government, it would seem that the Chinese Government have not taken account of the communiqué issued by the Prime Minister of the Royal Laotian Government on February 17, from which it is clear that the Royal Laotian Government have not repudiated the Geneva Agreements The Co-Chairmen understand that, on the contrary, the Laotian Government wished to make it clear that they have scrupulously observed the Geneva Agreements of which most of the provisions regarding Laos have been completely fulfilled and that they intend to continue to abide by the obligations. assumed by the Government of Laos under the Agreements.

3. With regard to the United States comment. the Co-Chairmen understand that the statement made by the Press officer of the State Department was in the following terms:

"Obviously the Laos Government considers the provisions of the Geneva agreement applicable to Laos have been complied with.
We (United States Government) respect that determination. Further, we consider the Prime Minister's statement as a reaffirmation by the Laos Government of its ideal of peace and adherence to the principles of friendly relationships with its neighbours as expressed in the Charter of the United Nations.
Laos is a small nation that poses no threat to anyone and we hope it will be allowed to work out its own problems and develop its progress without outside interference."

4. The Co-Chairmen are informed that the allegation that the United States Government has been introducing large numbers of military personnel and arms into Laos is inaccurate and unfounded.

5. With regard to the position of the Co-Chairmen in the matter, it appears that the Chinese Government have slightly misread the texts of the communications from the Co-Chairmen dated January 31, 1959, to the Indian Government and to the Chairman of the International Commission for Supervision and Control in Laos. The Co-Chairmen were concerned in these communications with noting the Commission's decision of July 19, 1958, to adjourn sine die and with placing on record their understanding of it. The Co-Chairmen did not express the view that the International Commission should continue its activities, as is suggested in Your Excellency's letter of February 19.

6. The Co-Chairmen agree with the view of the Chinese Government that there should be no unilateral repudiation of the Geneva Agreements, but are satisfied that no action of the kind is in question here

I avail etc."

75.

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs what communication he has received from the Indian Government regarding the reconvening of the International Commission for Supervision and Control in Laos.

My right hon. and learned Friend received a letter, dated 27th May, on this subject from Mr. Nehru, to which he has sent a confidential reply. I am not at liberty to disclose the contents of either letter.

Passports

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs whether, in view of the caution printed on the back flyleaf of British passports, namely, that a passport remains the property of Her Majesty's Government, that it is a valuable document and that it should not be allowed to pass into the possession of an unauthorised person, he will so amend his regulations as to require that the British passports of deceased persons be returned to the Passport Office for cancellation and retention.

National Finance

Employment

76.

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer what action his Department has taken during the last six months to improve the employment situation; and with what success.

It was a major aim of my right hon. Friend's Budget to give, through tax remissions and repayments of post-war credits, a strong encouragement to economic activity and employment. This was the culmination of a series of measures designed to promote the expansion of the economy, taken over a period extending back considerably further than six months. There has not yet been time for the full results of this series of measures to be seen, but over the six months from November, 1958, to May, 1959, the numbers unemployed fell from 536,000 to 481,000 Of this fall a part, but certainly not the major part, may be attributed to seasonal factors.

Royal Navy

Messrs S G Brown, Limited

asked the Parliamentary Secretary to the Admiralty why the Admiralty is still retaining its holding in Messrs. S. G. Brown, Limited.

My noble Friend has been considering the future of this company and has recently decided that the Admiralty should dispose of it, if a suitable offer is forthcoming. He is prepared to arrange for negotiations to be entered into with any interested party. It would be the aim of the Admiralty that the business is kept as a going concern and not disintegrated, so that the high-precision manufacturing capacity represented by the Company is maintained. In considering offers, my noble Friend will, of course, give full weight to the extent to which the various tenderers will be able to provide continuity of employment for the present employees.

Trade And Commerce

Aberdeen City And County (Industrial Building)

asked the President of the Board of Trade by what percentage the area of factory floor space, and of factory building, respectively, have increased during each of the last ten years in Aberdeen City and County, respectively.

Information is not available of the total area of industrial premises in Aberdeen City and County at the start of the period, hence I cannot give the information in the form required by the hon. and learned Member. The following are particulars of the industrial building authorised and completed in each of the last ten years:

ABERDEEN CITY
YearArea approvedArea completed
sq. ft.sq. ft.
19495,300 12,000
195086,2915,300
195184,46910,146
195213,11012,288
195329,90078,465
1954101,58540,285
1955153,004167,628
195630,096127,351
195770,4106,500
195813,52919,119
ABERDEEN COUNTY (EXCLUDING ABERDEEN CITY)
YearArea approvedArea completed
sq. ft.sq. ft.
194912,8608,100
195047,37760,410
195147,72638,400
195231,39037,930
195361,57831,727
1954112,06287,314
195541,39361,962
195668,73355,253
195789,62475,873
1958144,735104,324
These figures are of all new buildings and extensions to existing buildings which have a ground space over 5,000 sq. ft.

Kenya

Primary Education (Expenditure)

asked the Secretary of State for the Colonies the net recurrent expenditure of public money per head of school population for European primary education in Kenya in the last convenient period of twelve months; and what was the corresponding expenditure for African primary education.

pursuant to his reply [OFFICIAL REPORT, 12th February, 1959; Vol. 599, c. 225], supplied the following further information:The net recurrent expenditure from public funds in Kenya per head of school population, in European primary and the corresponding African primary and intermediate schools was respectively £39·1 and £4·1. These figures are based on expenditure in the financial year 1957–58 and the average number of pupils in the calendar years 1957 and 1958. They do not include pupils in unaided schools.

British Army

Rifle Ranges

asked the Secretary of State for War what is being done with the targets that have been in use on rifle ranges now being abandoned due to the reduction in the Armed Forces.

Steel target frames are moved for use elsewhere or for disposal. Target runners and war-time wooden frames are normally left in place.

Ministry Of Works

Wrest Park, Silsoe

asked the Minister of Works how many gardeners are employed at Wrest Park, Silsoe, Bedfordshire; what is the annual wage bill; how many guards are employed at week-ends and at what cost; how much the takings have been from visitors during recent weeks; when work was started on restoring the 18th century bowling pavilion and other buildings in these grounds and when it is likely to be completed; and whether, as these historically interesting grounds were laid out by Capability Brown and are costing much in upkeep, he will take steps to restore the buildings still in disrepair as quickly as possible and inform the public by adequate advertisement of the existence of this park.

The house and gardens at Wrest Park are leased by my Department to the British Society for Research in Agricultural Engineering, an independent body for which I have no responsibility. The National Institute of Agricultural Engineering, which occupies the house, also maintains the gardens, and it estimates that about one quarter of the time of its sixteen horticultural workers is spent on the maintenance of the formal gardens, woods and parklands, at a cost of about £2,000 a year.The historic parts of the grounds are open to the public at week-ends and on Bank Holidays from Easter to the end of September. Six part-time custodians are employed by my Department when the grounds are open. Their cost to the Ministry in 1958–59 was £210 2s. 10d.

The grounds were opened this year on 21st March, and the takings for the eleven week-ends up to 31st May were £21 12s. 0d.

Work on restoring the buildings, ornaments and other features in the gardens was started in September, 1949. It is now proceeding as quickly as circumstances allow and will, I hope, be completed by 1961. While many of the more interesting buildings have been under repair, I have not thought it fair to encourage the public to visit Wrest Park. It is, however, mentioned in the Ministry's Regional Guide to Ancient Monuments in East Anglia and the Midlands, and its opening each year is notified through the Press. Further publicity measures will be taken as the repairs near completion.