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Volume 646: debated on Tuesday 24 October 1961

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Written Answers To Questions

Tuesday, 24th October, 1961

Northern Rhodesia

Situation

2.

asked the Secretary of State for the Colonies if he will make a statement on the situation in Northern Rhodesia.

The present political and security situation in Northern Rhodesia was dealt with in the debate on 19th October by my right hon. Friend the Commonwealth Secretary and myself. The security situation continues to improve, although the Governor is not yet in a position to advise me that disorder has ceased. I am in consultation with the Governor who is investigating any specific allegations that have been made against the conduct of the Police. As soon as he can report to me I will see that an account of these matters is given to the House.

Clerical Occupations

asked the Secretary of State for the Colonies how many European and how many African persons are employed by the Government of Northern Rhodesia in clerical occupations.

1,062 Europeans and 912 Africans are employed by the Government of Northern Rhodesia in clerical occupations. Of the former more than 800 are female, most of whom are employed on a temporary basis.

Kenya

Constitution

4.

asked the Secretary of State for the Colonies whether he will make a statement on recent political developments in Kenya.

The talks in Kenya between the leaders of KADU and KANU and the Governor on constitutional advance and other related matters were suspended when it was found that the Parties could not agree over the composition of an interim Coalition Government. This has provided an opportunity for me to discuss the whole situation with the Governor personally, and he is arriving today for this purpose.

Governor (Statement)

9.

asked the Secretary of State for the Colonies whether the statement of the Governor of Kenya in his broadcast on Sunday, 8th October, represents the policy of Her Majesty's Government.

In his broadcast the Governor emphasised the need for the two major African political parties to make a joint approach to the problems facing Kenya. In this view he is fully supported by Her Majesty's Government.

Colonial Territories

Information Expenditure

5 and 6.

asked the Secretary of State for the Colonies (1) why he is proposing to reduce information expenditure in Colonial territories; and what is the size and nature of the proposed reduction;(2) why he is proposing to reduce British Council activities in Colonial Territories; and what form he proposes that the reduction shall take.

My right hon. and learned Friend the Chancellor of the Exchequer in his statement of the 25th July said that he looked for a cut of 10 per cent. in the cost of diplomatic and various administrative services overseas. While expenditure on information services and the British Council in the dependent territories must be considered in the light of this statement, it is too early yet to say exactly what reductions will have to be made or how they will be found.

Fiji

Burns Report

8.

asked the Secretary of State for the Colonies what action he is now taking to implement the Burns Report on Fiji.

Following the recommendation of the Report, the Fiji Government have enacted legislation covering land development, drainage and local government. A Development Commissioner was appointed on 1st October and he will be Chairman of the Land Development Authority. Nearly £2 million has been made available this year in colonial development and welfare grants to develop agriculture, forestry, public works and communications and social services.As I said in my reply to the hon. Member for Wycombe (Mr. John Hall) on 31st January, the Burns Commission made some 126 recommendations. If the hon. Member requires information on any particular recommendation I will obtain it for him.

Tristan Da Cunha

Displaced Persons

24.

asked the Secretary of State for the Colonies if, in view of the circumstances surrounding the evacuation of the 269 inhabitants of Tristan da Cunha, involving the loss of their homes and possessions and the impossibility of them returning to the island, he will offer to undertake the financial liability of maintaining these people until they have been re-established and found work in this country.

Her Majesty's Government accept financial liability for maintaining the people of Tristan da Cunha until a decision on their resettlement has been reached.

Nyasaland

Clerical Occupations

asked the Secretary of State for the Colonies how many European and how many African persons are employed by the Government of Nyasaland in clerical occupations.

102 Europeans and 900 Africans are employed by the Government of Nyasaland in clerical occupations. Of the former, all but 10 are employed on temporary terms in the absence of suitably qualified local candidates.

Malta

Dockyard Development Contracts

asked the Secretary of State for the Colonies if he will make a statement on the progress of the development of the dockyard in Malta.

As I informed my hon. Friend the Member for the Isle of Wight (Mr. Woodnutt) in reply to his Question in the House today, the main contract work is expected to begin in February or March of next year. Messrs. Bailey (Malta) Ltd. expect this work to be completed approximately two years thereafter. Meanwhile, in addition to the preparatory clearing and diversion of services to which my predecessor referred in his statement in the House on 18th May, the Company has carried out a number of subsidiary development works.

Sarawak

Constitutional Changes

asked the Secretary of State for the Colonies if he will make a statement on the proposed constitutional changes in Sarawak.

With my agreement, the Governor of Sarawak is putting proposals for constitutional reform to the Council Negri, for their consideration. Following is a summary of the proposed constitutional changes in Sarawak.

Summary Of Proposals For Constitutional And Electoral Changes In Sarawak

( a) Electoral registers to be instituted and maintained in respect of all persons eligible to vote.

( b) The franchise to be extended to all persons over the age of 21, subject to residential qualifications and the usual disqualifications.

( c) The present indirect, or tier, system of elections to be retained.

( d) The duration of the present Council Negri, and consequently of District and Divisional Councils, to be extended to the middle of 1963.

( e) Subsequent Legislatures, District and Divisional Councils to be elected for a period of four years.

( f) The President of the Council Negri to be replaced by a Speaker.

( g) The nominated, ex-officio and elected membership of the Council Negri to be reconstituted to consist of:—

  • (i) fifteen nominated members, of whom not less than four would be unofficial;
  • (ii) three ex-officio members (Chief Secretary, Attorney-General and Financial Secretary);
  • (iii) twenty-four members elected from Divisional Advisory Councils. The direct seats for Kuching Municipal, Sibu Urban, and Miri District Council to be abolished.
  • ( h) At an appropriate time and after consultation with the Secretary of State for the Colonies, some unofficial members of Supreme Council to be associated with the formation and presentation of Government policy on specific subjects.

    Scotland

    Police Pensioners

    37.

    asked the Secretary of State for Scotland what representations he has received from the Retired Police Officers Association, Scotland, concerning the pensions of their members; and what measures he proposes to take to improve their conditions.

    Like other Scottish Members, I have received a letter from this Association representing that there should be a regular adjustment of pensions of police officers to keep in step with increases of police pay, and, as an interim measure, that a bonus should be paid to older pensioners.We all have sympathy with men who have given good service to the country, but the fundamental principle applying to all the public services is that pensions are directly related to length of service and pay on retirement and, once awarded, are not normally altered; and I regret I see no ground for singling out the police for more favourable treatment. Successive Governments have, of course, given assistance to public service pensioners, particularly the older ones, by means of increases awarded under the Pensions (Increase) Acts.

    Rating Valuation

    38.

    asked the Secretary of State for Scotland if he will state the number of meetings the Scottish Valuation Advisory Council held in 1960 and 1961 to date; and what observations the Council have made to him regarding the numerous anomalies which have arisen as a result of revaluation.

    The Scottish Valuation Advisory Council met once in 1960 and have held one meeting this year. They have not observed to me on any anomalies arising from the revaluation.

    Rev Albert Goodheir

    40.

    asked the Secretary of State for Scotland what sentence was recently passed on the Rev. Albert Goodheir, minister of Tay Vallich, Argyll; and under the provisions of what statute or rule of common law he was sentenced.

    The Rev. Albert Good-heir was, on 18th September, at Dunoon Sheriff Court, fined £15, to be paid within 14 days, with an alternative sentence of 60 days imprisonment in default of payment of the fine. The sheriff summary court's powers of sentence for common law offences are laid down in Section 7 of the Summary Jurisdiction (Scotland) Act, 1954. Sections 48 and 49 of that Act deal with the power to order imprisonment in default of payment of a fine and the period of imprisonment which may be imposed.

    University Entrance (Certificates Of Fitness)

    41.

    asked the Secretary of State for Scotland if he will state for each of the last three years the number of senior secondary pupils who obtained the Certificate of Fitness for University Entrance.

    The issue of Certificates of Fitness is a function of the Scottish Universities Entrance Board, which is an autonomous body and which does not publish any figures of certificates issued to different categories of applicants. I am, therefore, unable to provide the information for which the hon. Member asks.

    Hospital Houses (Rents)

    42.

    asked the Secretary of State for Soctland if he is aware of the fivefold increase in rent, a month's notice of which has been given to tenant-employees by the Board of Management for Glasgow Northern Hospitals with no right of appeal; how many other boards have issued similar notices; and if he will postpone the operation of this notice until he has reviewed all the circumstances.

    43.

    asked the Secretary of State for Scotland what representations he has received against the proposed increase of rents of houses attached to hospitals; and, in view of the nature of the tenancies of these houses, if he will reconsider his proposals.

    44.

    asked the Secretary of State for Scotland what proposals he has made to the Western Regional Hospital Board for an increase in the rents of hospital houses; and what representations he has received against such increases in rent.

    The existing rents of most hospital houses are very low and have remained virtually unaltered for ten years. I therefore sent a memorandum to all hospital authorities on 20th September last setting out new arrangements for fixing the rents of hospital houses on a more reasonable and uniform basis. The new rents take account of the special circumstances of some of these tenancies, and the arrangements provide for making the larger increases in stages of six-monthly intervals.I have received representations from two hon. Members, from the Association of Hospital Boards of Management, from two individual boards of management, from one trade union and from one tenant. While some of the detailed points may require further consideration, I see no reason for postponing the operation of the scheme.

    Prisons (Accommodation)

    45.

    asked the Secretary of State for Scotland what provisions he is making to relieve overcrowding in Scottish prisons.

    Old cell blocks at two prisons are being renovated for use. Next year I hope that additional prison accommodation will become available as the result of the opening of new institutions for young offenders, which will make it possible to remove prisoners under 21 from the existing prisons.

    Whiteinch Tunnel

    46.

    asked the Secretary of State for Scotland if he will make a statement on the progress of the construction at Whiteinch Tunnel.

    Progress with the main contract is slower than had been hoped for but is satisfactory having regard to the severe constructional difficulties which have been encountered. I shall, with permission, circulate a fuller statement in the OFFICIAL REPORT.

    Roads, Dunbartonshire

    47.

    asked the Secretary of State for Scotland what representations he has received from Milngavie Town Council respecting the re-classification of roads in Dunbartonshire; and what steps he is taking to re-classify roads in the county.

    Dunbarton County Council has asked me to add certain roads to the list of classified roads in its area, one of which is partly in the burgh of Milngavie and partly in the landward area of the county. I have told the county council that I am willing to consider any rearrangement of its classified roads which it may suggest provided that it does not involve the addition of substantial lengths of road for classification.

    Hospital Facilities, Clydebank, Bearsden And Milngavie

    48.

    asked the Secretary of State for Scotland what steps he is taking to provide maternity hospital facilities for the area of Clydebank, Bearsden, and Milngavie.

    The 192 maternity beds being provided at Yorkhill, Glasgow, and Vale of Leven Hospital, Alexandria, are designed also to serve Clydebank. Bearsden and Milngavie. The western regional hospital board is however giving further consideration at the present time to the maternity needs of this area.

    Charitable Organisations (Rating Relief)

    49.

    asked the Secretary of State for Scotland what steps he is taking to ensure that charitable organisations in Scotland are provided with the same facilities for rating relief as are to be available to similar organisations in England and Wales.

    I am considering whether a mandatory rating relief for property occupied by charities, as enacted for England and Wales by the Rating and Valuation Act, 1961, should be applied to Scotland but I cannot yet make any statement. Local authorities already have a discretion to grant relief, and I understand that many of them are reviewing their use of this discretion in the light of the results of revaluation.

    Northern Hospital, Dunfermline

    50.

    asked the Secretary of State for Scotland what steps are being taken to improve the conditions in the out-patients' department of the Northern Hospital, Dunfermline; and, in view of the urgency of the matter, whether he will take steps to expedite improvements.

    The South-Eastern Regional Hospital Board is well aware of the need to improve accommodation at this hospital but at present other work takes priority.

    Emigration

    51.

    asked the Secretary of State for Scotland what are the latest available figures for rate of emigration from Scotland during 1961.

    No figures for 1961 are yet available. An estimate for the year to June 1961 will be available in December.

    Prisoners (Forcible Feeding)

    52.

    asked the Secretary of State for Scotland if he will give instructions to prison governors in Scotland that no prisoner is to be forcibly fed without his permission.

    No. The decision whether a particular prisoner requires to be artificially fed to maintain his health is a purely medical one in which it would not be proper for me to intervene.

    Education, Lanarkshire

    53.

    asked the Secretary of State for Scotland what proportion of junior secondary schools in Lanarkshire include in their curriculum the study of a language other than English.

    Provision is made for the study of a language other than English in eight out of a total of 52 junior secondary schools and also in eight out of 16 junior secondary departments in other schools.

    52.

    asked the Secretary of State for Scotland whether he is satisfied that the three stream classification of Lanarkshire schoolchildren at around the age of 12 and their subsequent seg- regation into three different types of school is in accordance with the recommendations of the 1959 Report of the Working Party on the Curriculum of Senior Secondary Schools.

    Some selection according to ability is clearly necessary, and the Working Party's recommendations have to be considered by authorities having regard to the circumstances of their area. The general problem is one which I shall be reviewing further with the authorities in the light of the report from the Advisory Council on transfer from primary to secondary education which will shortly be published.

    57.

    asked the Secretary of State for Scotland if he is aware that material being supplied to Lanarkshire schools for homecraft lessons is of an inflammable nature; and what steps he proposes to take to remove this danger.

    I understand that some of the material used may be of an inflammable nature, and I am considering whether there are any steps that I can usefully take in the matter.

    Royal College Of Science And Technology, Glasgow

    55.

    asked the Secretary of State for Scotland what proposals he has made in his draft scheme for the management of the Royal College of Science and Technology, Glasgow.

    I am sending the hon. Member a copy of the draft scheme and explanatory memorandum which was published on 19th September.

    59.

    asked the Secretary of State for Scotland what representations he has so far received on the Draft Scheme, 1961, for the management of the Royal College of Science and Technology, Glasgow.

    Bellshill Maternity Hospital

    56.

    asked the Secretary of State for Scotland if he will provide in the new Belshill Maternity Hospital a service for the diagnosis of cancer of the cervix by cytological examination, which has proved successful elsewhere.

    This service will be provided for Bellshill Maternity Hospital by the Pathology Department of the Glasgow Royal Infirmary.

    Holy Loch Demonstrators (Prosecutions)

    58.

    asked the Secretary of State for Scotland how many persons prosecuted in connection with the demonstrations at Holy Loch have served or are serving prison sentences.

    61.

    asked the Secretary of State for Scotland how many ministers of religion were prosecuted following the demonstration at Holy Loch; and what were the penalties imposed on them.

    Three. Each was fined £15 with the alternative of 60 days' imprisonment in default of payment.

    Local Authorities (Acquisition Of Older Houses)

    60.

    asked the Secretary of State for Scotland whether he will have discussions with local authorities in order to encourage and assist them to acquire suitable older houses, particularly tenement properties, for conversion and improvement to modern standards, and subsequent letting.

    Ayr-Kilmarnock Road

    62.

    asked the Secretary of State for Scotland when work started on widening and resurfacing of the Ayr-Kilmarnock road; and when work is expected to be completed.

    Work on widening and re-surfacing a section of the Ayr-Kilmarnock Trunk Road near Symington started in September, 1960, and should be completed in three months' time.

    Milk

    63.

    asked the Secretary of State for Scotland what recent instructions have been given to the Scottish provision of an emergency supply of milk.

    Glasgow Corporation (Acquisition Of Properties)

    64.

    asked the Secretary of State for Scotland if he will state the total expenditure incurred to date by Glasgow Corporation by way of compensation for, or the acquisition of, housing, commercial, industrial and other properties in the Anderson and Pollokshaws areas to permit of redevelopment of these areas.

    Up to 20th October, 1961, Glasgow Corporation had spent £140,208 on the acquisition of property in the Anderston Cross area and £83,503 in the Pollokshaws area.

    Ardnadam Pier Demonstrators

    65.

    asked the Lord Advocate why the cases arising from the demonstration at Ardnadam Pier were heard before the Sheriff Court and not before a lower court.

    These cases appeared to be sufficiently serious to warrant proceedings in the Sheriff Court.

    Gypsies

    asked the Secretary of State for Scotland what estimate he has made of the number of gypsies in Scotland; what steps have been taken to deal with the problems of camping sites or houses for them; what has been done to ensure education for their children of school age; and in what way gypsies are being encouraged to become integrated with the rest of the population.

    No reliable estimate exists, but it is thought that the number of tinker families in the northern counties, where they are most noticeable, is probably about 200. The housing of these families and their integration with the community was last discussed in 1958 with the local authorities concerned who have endeavoured, so far as circumstances permit, to provide accommodation for families who are prepared to settle down. To ensure regular school attendance by the children of itinerant families is admittedly difficult, but I am assured that the education authorities are doing all they can.

    Dollar Academy (Rectorship)

    asked the Secretary of State for Scotland what communications he has received about the Rectorship of Dollar Academy from the Association of Headmasters of Senior Secondary Schools; and of what dates.

    Uncertificated Teachers

    asked the Secretary of State for Scotland if he will state, in respect of each education authority area in Scotland, the number of uncertificated teachers who were employed at the opening of the current schools session.

    The returns made by education authorities are at present in process of collection. I hope to be able to send the hon. Member the figures within the next few weeks.

    Four-Apartment Houses, East Kilbride

    asked the Secretary of State for Scotland what amount per month would constitute the economic rent for a four-apartment house owned by East Kilbride Development Corporation if the rate of interest paid by the Corporation on its capital borrowings had consistently remained at the 1951 level.

    The fully economic rent of a four-apartment house built by East Kilbride Development Corporation at present day costs but related to the 1951 interest rate of 3 per cent. would be £7 15s. per month.

    Emergency Burial Arrangements, West Of Scotland

    asked the Secretary of State for Scotland who is now the designated burial officer for the West of Scotland under his Civil Defence Scheme; what is the nature of his duties; and what recent instructions have been given him.

    There is no such officer for the West of Scotland as a whole, but the local authorities concerned have each designated one of their officers to be responsible for planning emergency burial arrangements.

    Valuations, Lanarkshire (Appeals)

    asked the Secretary of State for Scotland how many appeals against valuations have been lodged in Lanarkshire; how many have been disposed of; what was the number of successful and unsuccessful appeals, respectively; and what was the cost of the legal fees to the valuation authority.

    I understand that the total number of appeals and inquiries lodged was over 12,000 of which about 11,500 have been disposed of, the majority by negotiation. Of the appeals heard by the Valuation Appeal Committee 30 were successful, 251 were unsuccessful and 47 have been continued or postponed. I am informed that the valuation authority has approved a maximum expenditure of £5,000 to meet the cost of legal fees.

    National Finance

    Nationalised Industries (Arbitration Claims)

    66.

    asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer how many claims to arbitration of all kinds involving staff in the nationalised industries have been considered since 1955; how many have been successful; and if he will circulate details in the OFFICIAL REPORT.

    I am informed that the following numbers of claims on wages and hours have been submitted to arbitration at national level since 1955:

    Electricity8
    Gas4
    Coal18
    Transport21
    Air Corporations27
    It is not for the Government to express a view on the results of these submissions.

    Rating Valuation, Exmouth

    67.

    asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer if he is aware that in the Exmouth district as at 21st July, 1961, some 70 rating assessment cases representing a total rateable value of £9,218 remained undetermined, since which date some 97 further reports have been forwarded to the valuation officer, and that an additional 200 to 300 cases are anticipated in the near future; and what steps he is taking to reach early decisions.

    Most of the outstanding proposals have now been settled by agreement and the remainder are expected to be heard by the local valuation court in the very near future. I regret, however, that it will not be possible for the valuation officer to dispose of more than a small proportion of the notifications of new or altered properties before January next year because of the necessity of concentrating on urgent work on the revaluation.

    London Airport (Customs)

    68.

    asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer for what reason, and in what circumstances the Customs officers at London Airport have been instructed to deny the normal Customs concessions for certain dutiable articles to young persons bringing presents bought at their own expense as presents to their parents and relations.

    The standing Customs concessions for small quantities of tobacco, wines and spirits in passengers' baggage apply only to goods for the passenger's personal consumption. They are not, therefore, extended to children, and if these goods are brought in by children the goods are detained until duty is paid.

    asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer why he has entered into an international agreement whereby cigarettes and wines in small quantities within the normal concession limits are seized from young persons bringing them as presents to parents and others by the London Airport Customs; and why he has not taken effective steps to inform passengers of this ruling.

    I would refer my hon. Friend to my reply to his Question No. 68 today. The scope of the Customs concessions is explained in public notices displayed in all Customs halls.

    Shipbuilding Firms (Finance)

    69.

    asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer what action he is taking to ensure that British shipbuilding firms can secure long-term finance to enable them to compete with Continental producers.

    The evidence I have seen does not suggest that difficulty in obtaining long-term finance is a major factor preventing British shipbuilding firms from competing with Continental producers.

    Arbitration Tribunals And Wages Councils

    70.

    asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer when the Government withdrew from the arbitration courts or wages councils the right to fix retrospective dates on which their awards would become operative; and if, in order to maintain the independent judgment of such bodies, he will now remove any such restriction.

    The Government have withdrawn no rights from arbitration tribunals. They continue to adjudicate on disputes referred to them with the consent of both parties. As regards wages councils, I understand from my right hon. Friend the Minister of Labour that they have never had the right to fix the dates on which their proposals become operative.

    Industrial Production And Balance Of Payments

    71.

    asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer what progress he has made in the development of a national economic plan to raise production and balance payments; what bodies he has consulted about this plan; and with what results.

    I have had a number of exploratory discussions about possible new arrangements for planning and consultation on a national basis with the Trades Union Congress, the Federation of British Industries, the British Employers' Confederation, the National Union of Manufacturers and the Association of British Chambers of Commerce. I am also consulting the chairmen of the nationalised industries. The discussions are continuing. I hope to be able to make an early statement about their outcome, but I cannot yet say when this will be possible.

    New University

    72.

    asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer if he will make a statement on the proposed new university.

    The report of the University Grants Committee on this matter has been received, but it is not yet possible to make an announcement.

    Commonwealth Finance Ministers (Accra Conference)

    73.

    asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer if he will make a statement on the Commonwealth Finance Ministers' Conference at Accra in September; and if he will publish the communiqué issued at the end of the Conference as a White Paper, or in the OFFICIAL REPORT.

    This was one of the regular meetings of the Commonwealth Economic Consultative Council but the first on African soil and I should like to express our gratitude to the Government of Ghana for giving us the opportunity to meet in Accra and for its very generous hospitality. I am arranging for a copy of the agreed communiqué, which is very full, to be circulated in the OFFICIAL REPORT.

    Commonwealth Economic Consultative Council Meeting At Accra, 12Th-14Th September, 1961

    Communiqué

    1. The Commonwealth Economic Consultative Council met in Accra on 12th-14th September under the Chairmanship of the Honourable F. K. D. Goka, Minister of Finance of Ghana. Ministers representing the following Commonwealth countries attended the meeting: the United Kingdom, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, India, Ceylon, Ghana, Federation of Malaya, Federation of Nigeria, Cyprus, Sierra Leone and the Federation of Rhodesia and Nyasaland. In the absence of its Minister of Finance through indisposition, Pakistan was represented by the Governor of the State Bank. The delegations of dependent territories included representatives from the West Indies, Tanganyika, Mauritius and Uganda. Other members of the conference particularly welcomed representatives of the newly-independent countries of Cyprus, Nigeria and Sierra Leone.

    2. The Chairman read a message of welcome from the Presidential Commission of Ghana sent on behalf of the President Osagyefo Dr. Kwame Nkrumah. In reply, there were expressions of appreciation of the fact that the Council, in accepting the hospitality of the Government of Ghana, was meeting for the first time in Africa. The Council emphasised the strength and influence of the Commonwealth association.

    3. There was an exchange of views on recent development in world production and trade, with particular reference to the position and prospects of Commonwealth countries, individually and collectively, and of the sterling area. The Council noted with satisfaction that measures had been taken by the Government of the United Kingdom to strengthen the position of sterling. It welcomed the determination of the United Kingdom Government to maintain the stability of sterling as one of the world's two reserve currencies.

    4. Representatives of Commonwealth countries heavily dependent on exports of basic materials and foodstuffs stressed the urgent need to reverse the downward drift of the prices of their exports, and the adverse movements in their terms of trade. In this connection, the view was expressed that additional commodity agreements would be useful in providing economic stability and progress, but it was recognised that, for success, any such agreements should include the major producing and consuming countries. It was felt that a responsibility rested on the more highly industrialised countries of the world to respond sympathetically to constructive proposals for stabilising commodity prices at reasonable levels. Reference was also made to the importance of stimulating industrial development in the less developed countries and diversification in countries heavily dependent on a few staple exports. The need for the industrialised countries of the world to accept imports of manufactured goods from the developing countries was stressed. It was urged that the objective of world-wide long term stability could not be achieved without securing a better balance in the trade between the developing and the developed countries.

    5. In the course of a review of development questions, a report was given on the Special Commonwealth African Assistance Plan which had been inaugurated by the Council at its previous meeting a year ago. The Council welcomed the fact that already, under the Plan, substantial technical and educational assistance was being provided by several Commonwealth countries, and that, as the Plan gathered momentum, this assistance would be enlarged. During the course of discussion on finance for development generally, it was urged that funds should be made available to the developing countries on terms which were within their capacity to meet.

    6. The Council meeting provided the first opportunity for a general discussion, amongst Commonwealth countries, of the situation resulting from the decision of the Government of the United Kingdom to apply for and negotiate towards membership in the European Economic Community.

    7. Representatives of the United Kingdom reviewed the various reasons that had led them to make the application.

    8. All other Commonwealth representatives expressed grave apprehension and concern regarding the possible results of the initiative taken by the United Kingdom. They reaffirmed the value and importance they attach to traditional Commonwealth trading arrangements under which most foodstuffs, raw materials and manufactures enter the United Kingdom free of duty from Commonwealth countries with in most cases preferential advantages and other Commonwealth countries make reciprocal tariff concessions. The benefits of these arrangements accrue to the United Kingdom as well as to other Commonwealth countries.

    9. Most Commonwealth countries questioned whether the United Kingdom, with its other international and domestic obligations, could possibly secure in the proposed negotiations an agreement which would protect Commonwealth interests adequately and effectively. It was generally agreed that any impairment of these interests would damage some or all Commonwealth countries, and could have adverse effects on particular industries and areas. Several representatives stressed the danger that, if the United Kingdom succeeded in negotiating special benefits in the European Economic Community for only certain Commonwealth countries, the result could be damaging to Commonwealth solidarity.

    10. Certain countries pointed out that major changes in the present Commonwealth trading arrangements would inevitably force realignment of their trading patterns and could lead to the emergence of further trading blocs. Such a development would undermine traditional multilateral trading arrangements to which all Commonwealth countries had given their support.

    11. Because of the inseparable nature of economic and political relationship within the Commonwealth and because of the political and institutional objectives of the European Economic Community and the terms of the Treaty of Rome, it was feared by the other Commonwealth countries that United Kingdom membership in the European Economic Community would fundamentally alter the relationship between the United Kingdom and Commonwealth countries. Indeed, this relationship might be so imperilled as to weaken the cohesion of the Commonwealth as a whole and, thus, reduce its effectiveness as a world instrument for understanding, prosperity and peace.

    12. The United Kingdom Delegation made it clear that in their view until the proposed negotiations took place, it was not possible to ascertain whether satisfactory arrangements could be made to safeguard the essential interests of Commonwealth countries. It was emphasised by the United Kingdom Delegation that there would be continuing and close consultation with all Commonwealth Governments at all stages in the negotiations. They drew the attention of the Council to the statement of the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom on 31st July, 1961, in regard to the calling of a meeting of Commonwealth Prime Ministers on this subject.

    Sunderland Council (Loans)

    74.

    asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer what reply he has given to the resolution of the Council of the County Borough of Sunderland concerning the financial burden on ratepayers and council house tenants resulting from the increase in interest rates for local authority loans.

    I have noted the council's resolution. I can only repeat that Government policy is that local authorities should pay the ruling rate of interest, whether they borrow on the market or from the P.W.L.B. The hon. Member and the council will no doubt have noticed that since the council wrote to me, some of the rates of interest charged by the P.W.L.B. have been slightly reduced in keeping with the fall in market rates.

    Estate Duty (Land, Grasmere)

    asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer what steps have been taken to accept certain land near Grasmere, Westmorland, in settlement of Estate Duty; and if he will make a statement.

    The Commissioners of Inland Revenue have accepted fifteen acres of land near the village of Grasmere in the Lake District in settlement of duty payable on the estate of Mrs. E. F. Rawnsley. The land has been transferred to the National Trust at a cost to the National Land Fund of £1,075. Mrs. Rawnsley's late husband, Canon Rawnsley, was a founder member of the National Trust. It is particularly gratifying that this land, which was once his property, should now have been transferred to the Trust.

    Paye

    asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer how much time is normally allowed for the payment of tax under Pay As You Earn; in how many cases of firms becoming bankrupt a large or major part of the deficiency is represented by liability for tax under Pay As You Earn; what is the estimated annual loss to the Revenue of such defections; and whether he is satisfied with the present working of the system.

    Under the P.A.Y.E. Regulations the tax must be paid to the collector of taxes within 14 days of the end of the month in which it was deductible. If the employer does not pay promptly the collector presses for payment and, if necessary, proceedings are taken to recover the tax.The information asked for in the second part of the Question is not available, but in the year ended 30th September, 1960, £158,000 P.A.Y.E. tax due from employers was remitted on grounds of insolvency. This compares with a total P.A.Y.E. yield over £1,000 million. I am, in general, satisfied with the working of the system.

    Greyhound Racing (Pool Betting Duty)

    asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer if he will state the Treasury receipts from Pool Betting Duty collected on greyhound totalisators

    1961Greyhound TotalisatorsBookmakers licencesTotal
    DutySurchargeDutySurchargeDutySurcharge
    ££££££
    May616,765143,225759,990
    June649,961145,336795,297
    July553,64068126,46521680,10589
    August743,39070,045162,68215,372906,07285,417
    TOTAL2,563,75670,113577,70815,3933,141,46485,506

    Decimal Currency

    asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer whether he will give an assurance that manufacturers of machines and of business systems and publishers of mathematical series who will be affected by a change to decimalisation will be consulted before a date is chosen and announced for the commencement of any such change, in order to avoid the preparation of new mathematical tables, business machines and systems based on any criteria to be abandoned in the foreseeable future.

    If a decision to decimalise the currency should be taken, consideration will be given, in the planning and introduction of any new system, to the need to avoid any unnecessary additional burden on the economy.

    asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer whether, in his further consideration of decimalisation, he will take into account the possibility of making the chosen unit divisible into 100 equal parts.

    Trade And Commerce

    Factory, Kirkby (Closure)

    75.

    for the months of May, June, July, August and September, 1961, divided as between the normal 10 per cent. duty and the 1 per cent. duty imposed since 26th July, and similar figures for bookmakers' licence duties on greyhound racecourses for the same months.

    Figures for September 1961, are not yet available, but the rest of the information requested by the hon. Member is as follows:effect upon the Government contracts involved, if he will institute an inquiry into the case of the factory in Kirkby, Lancashire, details of which have been supplied to him, which commenced operations on 1st July, 1961, and announced its forthcoming closure early in August.

    No. My right hon. Friend's predecessor informed the right hon. Gentleman on 6th October that he saw nothing in the events that have taken place that calls for an inquiry and my right hon. Friend shares that view.

    Government-Financed Factory, Stockton-On-Tees

    76.

    asked the President of the Board of Trade whether a tenant has been found for the large Government-financed factory at Stockton-on-Tees.

    Jenkins Committee (Report)

    77.

    asked the President of the Board of Trade when the Jenkins Committee will publish its report.

    My right hon. Friend understands that the Committee has completed the hearing of oral evidence and that it is now considering the terms of its report. It is still too early to say when this will be ready.

    Shipbuilding (Export Credits Guarantees)

    asked the President of the Board of Trade to what extent, and in how many cases, credit facilities have been granted or assisted by the Government for building ships in British shipyards for foreign ownership.

    This year the Export Credits Guarantee Department has given guarantees of payment on eight orders for ships by buyers overseas. The total value of these orders is £4·8 million.

    Monopolies Commission (Mr Oswald Miller)

    asked the President of the Board of Trade whether, in appointing Mr. Oswald Miller as a member of the Monopolies Commission, he took account of his publicly expressed views on resale price maintenance; and if he will make a statement.

    The appointment was made, not because of Mr. Miller's views on resale price maintenance, but because of his wide business experience, particularly in retail trade.

    Science

    Space Projects

    78.

    asked the Parliamentary Secretary for Science, if he will list the space projects now being undertaken by Her Majesty's Government alone; what is their annual cost; and what immediate value is being obtained from each project.

    All our space projects involve the co-operation of other countries.

    Ussr Nuclear Tests

    79.

    asked the Parliamentary Secretary of Science, to what extent monitors conducted by the Medical Research Council have detected an increase in the fall-out of radio-activity as a result of Russian nuclear and thermonuclear tests; and what estimate has been made by the Medical Research Council of the danger to public health as a result thereof.

    I would ask the hon. Member to await the statement which will be made at the conclusion of Questions by my right hon. Friend the Minister of Defence.

    81.

    asked the Parliamentary Secretary for Science what reports he has received from his scientific advisers on the amount of radioactive fall-out resulting from the recent 20 Soviet nuclear tests, and the estimated amount which would result from a 50 megaton test explosion.

    I would ask the right hon. and learned Member to await the statement which will be made at the conclusion of Questions by my right hon. Friend the Minister of Defence.

    Radioactivity

    80.

    asked the Parliamentary Secretary for Science what steps he is taking to increase expenditure on research on the harmful effects of radioactive fall-out on the human body, and into the possibilities of prevention or cure of such effects.

    The Medical Research Council is already supporting an expanding programme of research on the effects of radiation on the human body. The effects of radioactivity from fall-out are no different from those of radiation from other sources, and as advances are made in the knowledge of the fundamental processes involved the possibility of developing effective methods of prevention and treatment will be increased.

    Local Government

    Water Supplies, Essex

    82.

    asked the Minister of Housing and Local Government and Minister for Welsh Affairs what consideration has been given by his Department to the conclusions of the hydrological survey and the report of the Central Advisory Water Committee in relation to the shortage of water in Essex; and whether he will make a statement.

    The survey shows that ultimately considerable quantities of water will have to come from outside Essex. The South Essex Waterworks Company have promoted a scheme for a large intake from the Metropolitan Water Board. This scheme will shortly be the subject of a public inquiry, but even if approved it would not meet the whole of the demand foreseen over the next 20 years. Further research is, therefore, required before an answer to the long-term problem can be found. There has been no report from the Central Advisory Water Committee on this question.

    Plowden Report (Management Services)

    88.

    asked the Minister of Housing and Local Government and Minister for Welsh Affairs if he will arrange for departments to offer help to local authorities in connection with the provision of management services, as recommended in paragraph 56 of the Plowden Report on Control of Public Expenditure.

    Buildings Of Architectural Or Historic Interest

    asked the Minister of Housing and Local Government and Minister for Welsh Affairs how many notices of proposed demolition of buildings of special architectural or historic interest he had received under the provisions of Section 30 of the Town and Country Planning Act, 1947, in the six months ended 30th June; in how many of these cases building preservation orders had been made and confirmed; in how many cases the buildings had been saved otherwise; in how many cases building preservation orders made by local authorities were not confirmed; and how many of the cases were referred to his Advisory Committee.

    asked the Minister of Housing and Local Government and Minister for Welsh Affairs, how many notices of proposed demolition of buildings of special architectural or historic interest he had received under the provisions of Section 30 of the Town and Country Planning Act, 1947, in the six months ended 30th June; in how many of these cases building preservation orders had been made and confirmed; in how many cases the buildings had been saved otherwise; in how many cases building preservation orders made by local authorities were not confirmed; and how many of the cases were referred to his advisory committee.

    In the six months ended 30th June, 1961, notices of the proposed demolition of 247 listed buildings were received Nine building preservation orders covering ten of these buildings have so far been submitted by local authorities, and my right hon. Friend, now the Chief Secretary of the Treasury, gave notice of his intention himself to make an order in respect of another of the buildings. One of these orders has been confirmed and one has been rejected. The remainder are under consideration.My right hon. Friend's Advisory Committee were consulted about 28 of the buildings in respect of which notices were received during the period. He has no records which show what finally happens to the buildings notified to him as being threatenend with demolition. If he does not choose to intervene this becomes entirely the responsibility of the local planning authority concerned.

    Land Drainage, Onneley

    asked the Minister of Housing and Local Government and Minister for Welsh Affairs what steps he is taking, in conjunction with the local authority, to deal with sewerage and drainage problems in Onneley, near Crewe.

    My right hon. Friend understands that at their next meeting the Newcastle-under-Lyme Rural District Council will consider a revised land drainage scheme designed with a view to meeting the objections to earlier ones. I will keep the hon. Member informed of developments.

    Gypsies

    asked the Minister of Housing and Local Government and Minister for Welsh Affairs (1) what action was taken by his Department with the Kent County Council resulting from the Report on the Survey carried out in 1951–52 on gypsies and other travellers in Kent at the request of his Department; and what practicable steps were initiated subsequently to deal with the situation;(2) in view of the hardships caused to gypsies in England and Wales by changes in living conditions, what steps have been taken by his Department to obtain information of action taken in other countries in recent years to help their gypsy communities, with a view to obtaining ideas to help gypsies in the United Kingdom;(3) to which local authorities his Department has made representations on behalf of gypsies since 1st January, 1953; and with what result;(4) if he will ask all local authorities to send to him details of gypsies living in their districts, with a view to an examination of the problems involved and the action to be taken to improve the situation where there is need;(5) what is the number of gypsies living in caravans or shacks in England and Wales at the latest convenient date;(6) what he has done to ascertain the nature of the gypsy problem in England and Wales;(7) in what way details have been obtained in England and Wales as a whole, of the number of people of all types living at a given date in unsatisfactory conditions in caravans, shacks or motor vehicles;(8) in view of the statement, in the Report of the Survey on Gypsies and other Travellers in Kent, carried out by the Kent County Council at the request of his Department, that there is a need for a national policy to precede the making of long-term arrangements as to living quarters, facilities for employment and education, when he intends to take action in this respect;(9) what plans he has for finding sites where gypsies can live under proper conditions, without being disturbed and without disturbing others;(10) what evidence he has that the Caravan Sites Act of 1960 will improve the situation of gypsies; and in what way;(11) what reply has been received to the advice given by his Department to the St. Albans Rural District Council last July that they should make use of their powers to help gypsy families;(12) if he will seek the co-operation of all county councils in arranging for registering the position of every gypsy caravan on a day or days to be selected, as is being done in Kent;

    (13) if he will state the number of persons living in caravans, shacks or motor vehicles in Kent, at the latest convenient date, who are without any other place to live;

    (14) if he will give the name of the local authority his Department approached in connection with the moving of gypsies and other types of travellers from Colney Heath, and to whom he gave details of the successful gypsy camp venture by the West Ashford Rural District Council; when the letter was sent; and what has transpired since;

    (15) if, in view of the inability of local authorities to alleviate the conditions of many gypsies in England and Wales, he will give consideration to setting up the necessary machinery to carry out a census to obtain reliable information about the number of Romanies and their needs, with a view to formulating a national policy for living quarters, and proper facilities for their employment and education.

    I understand that the hon. Member has seen a copy of the letter the Ministry sent to the Kent County Council after the 1951–52 survey, which explained the Government's attitude to the problem. He will also be familiar, as a result of recent correspondence, with the view of my right hon. Friend, now the Chief Secretary of the Treasury, that the problems which arise are essentially matters for local, rather than national, action. My right hon. Friend agrees and does not consider that any further action by the Government is called for at present. We are ready to look into any particular cases of difficulty that may be brought to our notice.I cannot add to the information my right hon. Friend's predecessor gave the hon. Member about the effects of the Act of 1960, and the episode at Colney Heath.

    Green Belt Areas (Schools)

    asked the Minister of Housing and Local Government and Minister for Welsh Affairs in how many cases within the last five years he has given approval for the building of schools within a green belt; and in how many cases these schools have been adjacent to another school, also within the green belt.

    Specific records are not kept; but it is believed that during the last five years eleven school sites have been approved in the London green belt, one of which adjoined another school. In addition twelve school sites have been approved in proposed green belts which have been accepted in principle but which do not yet form part of approved development plans.

    Water Reservoirs (Nuclear Warfare)

    asked the Minister of Housing and Local Government and Minister for Welsh Affairs what steps he is taking at national level to protect Great Britain's water reservoirs from radiation contamination in the event of nuclear attack.

    The installation of decontamination plant at reservoirs is not a practicable proposition and alternative sources would have to be used to replace those seriously contaminated. Emergency equipment for bringing alternative sources into use has been stockpiled and further stocks of equipment are being obtained under the revised civil defence programme announced in the White Paper "Report on Defence 1961".

    Housing

    Newcastle-Under-Lyme

    85.

    asked the Minister of Housing and Local Government and Minister for Welsh Affairs why his Department refused to approve the Newcastle-under-Lyme Borough Council's housing proposals for Second Avenue, Porthill.

    The reasons for the rejection of this order were given in a letter sent to the hon. Member on 18th September by my right hon. Friend who is now Chief Secretary to the Treasury.

    Slum Clearance Scheme, Manchester

    86.

    asked the Minister of Housing and Local Government and Minister for Welsh Affairs upon what date he received from the Manchester Corporation notice of their intention to proceed with slum clearance in the Rodney Street Clearance Area by means of a compulsory purchase order; and whether he intends to approve the Order.

    The Manchester City Council notified my predecessor in August, 1959, of their intention to clear the area which was later included in the Rodney Street, Ancoats, Compulsory Purchase Order. The Order was submitted on 23rd February, 1961, and a public local inquiry held on 14th June. I expect to announce my decision shortly.

    Building Labour And Materials

    87.

    asked the Minister of Housing and Local Government and Minister for Welsh Affairs whether he is aware of the difficulties that have arisen in connection with the shortage of materials and labour for the purpose of slum clearance and local council house building; and whether he will reintroduce some method of control which would allow for the freeing of materials and labour for essential building purposes.

    I am well aware that the building industry generally has been under heavy pressure recently and that this has led to difficulties, in particular a shortage of skilled labour. The Government have already taken steps to reduce the excessive demands on the industry.

    Improvement Grants

    asked the Minister of Housing and Local Government and Minister for Welsh Affairs how many improvement grants were made in the last 12 months; and how many of these were for houses owned by private landlords, and how many for owner-occupied houses.

    Including local authority houses, 129,334 dwellings were approved for grant purposes in the 12 months ending 30th September, 1961. Of this total, 62,121 were owner-occupied dwellings and 25,462 were occupied by tenants of private landlords.

    Leasehold Properties, Wales

    asked the Minister of Housing and Local Government and Minister for Welsh Affairs what is the number of communications he has received concerning hardship caused in Wales by the operation of the leasehold laws; and whether he will make a statement.

    Census Returns (Housing Information)

    asked the Minister of Housing and Local Government and Minister for Welsh Affairs if, without awaiting the full publication of the 1961 census, he will state the number of householders it reveals to be, respectively, without a bath, sharing a bath, without an inside toilet or without hot water.

    The total number of householders lacking or sharing these facilities at the date of the 1961 census has not yet been extracted from the census returns.

    Hospitals

    New Hospital, Welwyn Garden City

    89.

    asked the Minister of Health why it is not proposed to provide refrigeration as part of the operating theatre ventilation system in the new hospital at Welwyn Garden City.

    Drugs

    asked the Minister of Health (1) what steps he is taking to ensure that hospitals will be adequately served in connection with technical and scientific queries arising from their use of drugs purchased from foreign suppliers;(2) what detailed inspections have been carried out by or on his behalf of manufacturing units abroad from which it is proposed to obtain preparations covered by the Therapeutic Substances Act for use in hospitals.

    The items for the purchase of which I am using Section 46 of the Patents Act are not covered by the Therapeutic Substances Act. They have been in general use in hospital practice for some time and I have no reason to doubt that technical and scientific problems arising in their use can be adequately dealt with.

    asked the Minister of Health if he will publish the names of the foreign companies who are carrying out the various stages of manufacture of drugs being made abroad and purchased far use in hospitals.

    Ministry Of Health

    Lobidan

    90.

    asked the Minister of Health whether he is aware that a number of National Health Service doctors are prescribing an anti-smoking product called Lobidan, costing £5 16s. 8d. for 120 tablets; and whether he will take steps to stop this.

    It is for the individual doctor to prescribe what drug he thinks right for a particular patient; but he may be called on to justify it if his prescribing costs are being investigated.

    Poliomyelitis

    asked the Minister of Health whether he will make a further statement about the use of oral poliomyelitis vaccine.

    My right hon. Friend the Secretary of State for Scotland and I have now received the following recommendations from the Joint Committee on Poliomyelitis Vaccine:

  • 1. Sabin vaccine may be used both safely and effectively for primary vaccinations.
  • 2. Pending further study, Sabin vaccine should not be used to complete a course of vaccination started with Salk vaccine.
  • 3. So long as Salk vaccine is available, it should also be provided for primary vaccinations if the doctor prefers it.
  • The Government accept these recommendations, and Sabin vaccine will be made available to local health authorities and doctors for routine vaccination as soon as the necessary arrangements have been made with the local authorities and the medical profession.

    asked the Minister of Health how many of the persons developing poliomyelitis in Hull had undergone a full course of immunization before getting the disease.

    Vietnam (Advisory Mission)

    91.

    asked the Lord Privy Seal what is the composition of the Police Mission to South Vietnam; and what are its functions.

    I would refer the hon. Gentleman to the Answer I gave yesterday to the hon. Gentleman the Member for Glasgow, Govan (Mr. Rankin) and my hon. Friend the Member for East Grinstead (Mrs. Emmet).

    Katanga

    asked the Lord Privy Seal, following the United Nations resolution regarding the employment of mercenaries in the Congo, what information he has regarding the extent to which mercenaries are now employed by Mr. Tshombe.

    Mr. Tshombe was reported to have made a statement on 26th September to the effect that he was arranging for the immediate removal of remaining mercenaries in accordance with the 21st February resolution. Her Majesty's Consul saw him on 29th September and asked what the position was. He was assured that no white officers remained in the Katanga forces and that any of those who had previously been discharged and tried to offer their services again were being refused. Her Majesty's Consul saw Mr. Tshombe again on 12th October, when Mr. Tshombe reiterated that all had been discharged and were being paid off, but that it was not impossible that a few of them might have gone into hiding. There was, however, no question of their remaining in military service. He made similar remarks to the Press on 15th October.

    European Economic Community

    asked the Lord Privy Seal whether he will make a statement on the course of discussions following Britain's application to join the European Economic Community.

    I have nothing to add to what I told the House in the debate on 17th October and in my Answers yesterday.

    Agriculture, Fisheries And Food

    Tamworth Flood Protection Scheme

    92.

    asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food when Part 2 of the Tamworth Flood Protec- tion Scheme will be approved by his Department; and whether he is aware of the concern of the Trent River Board over the delay in this matter.

    I have been aware of the river board's anxiety for a decision on this scheme and I am glad to say that the scheme has now been approved for grant-aid.

    Soft Drinks

    asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food what is the present position with regard to the Report of the Food Standards Committee on Soft Drinks; and whether draft regulations have yet been circulated to the interests concerned.

    Proposals for regulations for soft drinks were issued on 6th October, 1961, and interested organisations were invited to comment by 8th December, 1961.

    Land Drainage, Onneley

    asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food what further steps he will take to assist local farmers in Onneley, near Crewe, to introduce proper land drainage.

    My Department has already given the farmers advice about work for improving farm ditching and has offered to grant-aid an approved farm ditching scheme. We are ready to give any further help we can in this way.

    Covent Garden Market Authority (Constitution)

    asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food whether he will make a statement about the constitution of the Covent Garden Market Authority.

    Yes. I have signed an Order constituting the Authority on 30th October. I have appointed the following persons to be members of the Authority.

    • Sir Ian Jacob, G.B.E., C.B. (Chairman).
    • Mr. Frank Hollins, C.B. (Managing Director).
    • Mr. W. M. Balch.
    • Mr. Charles Forte.
    • Mr. Harold Samuel.
    • Mr. Alex Samuels, C.B.E.
    • Mr. M. J. Verey, T.D.
    • Sir Thomas Yates, C.B.E.
    Mr. Alex Samuels is the member nominated by the Minister of Transport.

    Pensions And National Insurance

    Prescription Charges (Refund)

    93.

    asked the Minister of Pensions and National Insurance whether he will arrange that refunds of prescription charges can be made at any time, and not only when the supplementary pension is drawn, as now.

    I am glad to be able to reassure my hon Friend that these refunds can be made at any time when the Post Office is open.

    Ministry Of Aviation

    Independent Airlines

    94.

    asked the Minister of Aviation whether the official requirements with regard to pilot training, route testing and other safety conditions are the same for independent airline operators as for the nationalised corporations.

    95.

    asked the Minister of Aviation to what extent the aircraft of independent airline operators are required to be equipped with navigational aids; and to what extent the countries in Europe to which such aircraft normally operate are equipped, under International Civil Aviation Organisation agreements, with corresponding navigational aids.

    The requirements for navigational aids laid down in the Air Navigation Order for public transport aircraft apply to all operators, whether public or private, alike. All must provide in their aircraft radio apparatus capable of enabling the aircraft to be navigated on the intended route.European routes on which independent airlines fly are covered by direction finding stations, radio beacons, or the Decca Navigation system, and frequently by a combination of these aids.

    Vernon Industries Limited, Kirkby

    asked the Minister of Aviation if he will state the value of Government contracts outstanding with Vernon Industries Limited, Kirkby, Lancashire, at the time their factory was taken over by Petbow Limited on 1st July, 1961, the value of such contracts he allowed to be transferred to Petbow Limited, and the amount of work under those contracts which he has allowed to be transferred to the principal factory of Petbow Limited in Kent following their decision in August to close the factory and transfer all their outstanding work to the South.

    The value of deliveries outstanding at 1st July, 1961, on Ministry of Aviation contracts with Vernons Industries Limited was about £130,000. No contracts were transferred. Vernons Industries Limited have retained responsibility for these contracts, which are being completed at Kirkby.

    European Space Project

    asked the Minister of Aviation what progress has been made during the Parliamentary Recess with the European space project; and whether he will make a statement on the subject.

    I would refer the hon. Member to the reply which I gave yesterday to the hon. Member for Stockton-on-Tees (Mr. Chetwynd).

    Education

    Teachers

    96.

    asked the Minister of Education whether he will recommend the appointment of a Royal Commission to consider the status, pay and qualifications of teachers.

    No, but I am discussing with the local authorities and the representatives of the teachers changes designed to improve the negotiating machinery of teachers' salaries.

    School Building, Newcastle-Under-Lyme

    asked the Minister of Education what school building programmes have been approved for Newcastle-under-Lyme for 1961–62 and 1962–63; and how these compare with the programmes for 1959–60 and 1960–61.

    The programmes for 1961–62 and 1962–63 are substantially larger than for the two previous years, as the following table shows:

    NEWCASTLE-UNDER-LYME
    1959–60 Programme
    Gross Cost
    Bursley County Primary School (completion)£24,600
    Red Street County Primary School£32,186
    Clayton County Secondary School (instalment)£112,285
    £169,071
    1960–61 Programme
    St. Michael's Church of England Infants' School£26,257
    Clayton Hall Girls' Grammar School (extensions)£50,000
    £76,257
    1961–62 Programme
    St. Giles and St. George Church of England Secondary School£100,188
    Roman Catholic Secondary School (instalment)£158,558
    £258,746
    1962–63 Programme
    Westlands County Boys' Secondary School£164,440
    Clayton Hall Girls' Grammar School (further extensions)£144,000
    £308,440

    Rhodesia And Nyasaland Students

    asked the Minister of Education how many students from the Federation of Rhodesia and Nyasaland are at present studying in schools and universities in Great Britain; how many of them are Europeans and Africans respectively; and what steps he is taking to increase the number of places available.

    There are over 500 students at universities and technical colleges or following other courses of further education here; of these, about 300 are Europeans, 170 Africans and 40 Indians. Numbers have risen by over 100 in the last three years, and it is expected that Commonwealth students will fill a share of the additional places in institutions of higher education in this country which will become available under expansion programmes. I have no information as to numbers at school here.

    School Leavers

    asked the Minister of Education whether he will take steps to arrange for all children leaving school at the age of 15 to be required to be examined in reading and writing and to pass a minimum standard therein; and whether, arising out of such an examination, he will arrange for the collection and publication of statistics showing the number of school-leavers at age 15 who fall below the required standard.

    I have accepted the advice of the Secondary School Examinations Council that external examinations (other than the General Certificate of Education) for 15-year-old pupils are undesirable, and that it would be a retrograde step to introduce nationally recognised examinations other than the G.C.E. for pupils leaving at this age.

    Grammar School Places, West Sussex

    asked the Minister of Education how many more candidates there were in West Sussex for grammar schools, in the spring and summer of 1961, than there were places available to them.

    In the county as a whole the number of grammar school places matches the demand from qualified candidates. In some areas there are more candidates for a particular school than can be admitted, and in 1961 19 pupils who had qualified for a grammar education were admitted to suitable courses in bilateral schools.

    asked the Minister of Education what steps he is taking to ensure that, in 1962–63, sufficient grammar school places will be readily available in West Sussex for pupils who qualify for grammar school education.

    There is no evidence that the places available will be inadequate for the number of pupils expected to qualify.

    Gypsies

    asked the Minister of Education (1) how many gypsy children of school age, on any convenient date during the present year, had not been allocated to a school; and what steps have been taken to see that the statutory obligation involved is enforced;(2) if he will make a statement on the general educational arrangements for gypsies' and other types of travellers' children, of school age, living in caravans, shacks or motor vehicles in England and Wales; how many on any recent date were not attending school; and how many, who have reached eight years of age, have never registered for or attended school.

    I have no figures about the school attendance of such children, who are not easily identifiable. All parents have a duty to see that their children of school age receive full time education; the enforcement of the law of school attendance is a matter for the local education authority, whose duty it is to see that school places are available. When gypsies are prepared to settle down in one place, as many of them do during the winter, their children's education presents no insuperable problems, but when they are on the move it is difficult for the authorities to act.

    Burnham Committee

    asked the Minister of Education, in view of the need for maintaining confidence in negotiating machinery, what is his policy with regard to the acceptance of recommendations of the Burnham Committee.

    I would refer the hon. Member to my Answer to his Question of Thursday, 19th October.

    School Meals Service

    asked the Minister of Education what provisions are being made to feed the children at the school canteens when the present method is suspended on 1st November by the withdrawal of the teachers' service from the meals centres.

    Following the advice given to their members by the N.U.T., the school meals service will be able to continue without interruption. I am sure the teachers agree about its importance and value to the children. It is their help which has made it possible for the service to develop so well.But there is a widespread feeling that more of the clerical and other work involved in school meals could be done by non-teaching staff. This is shared by many who see the school meal as an integral part of school life, in which teachers should play an essential part.I sympathise with this view, and I am asking representatives of the teachers and local education authorities to come and talk the matter over and see what we can do further to improve matters.

    Roads

    London-Yorkshire Motorway

    97.

    asked the Minister of Transport whether he has now reached a decision on his plans for completing the Leicestershire portion of the London-Yorkshire motor road; and whether he will make a statement on the present position.

    We are continuing to make progress with the statutory procedures for the next sctions of M.1. The side roads Order for the section in Northamptonshire has been made, and I expect to be in a position shortly to make the Order for Leicestershire. Land acquisition negotiations are in hand.The Order for South Derbyshire has been published in draft, and I expect shortly to publish the connecting roads Scheme for the southern half of the motorway and the side road Order for Nottinghamshire. Orders for the remaining sections of the motorway will be published as soon as possible.

    Roads, London Area (Standard)

    asked the Minister of Transport what sections of the North Circular Road, South Circular Road and, from them for a distance of 10 miles, radial roads which are or become trunk roads, are sub-standard for present traffic.

    The detailed information required can best be presented with the aid of a map. I will write to my hon. Friend as soon as possible.

    Shipping

    "Queen Mary" (Replacement)

    98.

    asked the Minister of Transport what steps he now proposes to take to implement Her Majesty's Government's policy with regard to the replacement of the s.s. "Queen Mary".

    I have nothing to add to the statement I made to the House on this matter on Thursday, 19th October.

    Shipbuilding And Ship-Repairing, Aberdeen

    asked the Minister of Transport if he is aware of the continuing diminution of orders for and in Aberdeen shipbuilding yards; and what steps he, in conjunction with the Admiralty, is taking to attract further orders to Aberdeen shipbuilding and ship-repairing yards.

    Yes. But orders are scarce throughout the country and it is not the policy of the Government to give preference to a particular area in placing its own orders, or to try to persuade others to do so.

    Transport

    Motor And Motor Cycle Trials, Ovington

    asked the Minister of Transport whether he is aware of the nuisance caused in the village of Ovington, near Alresford, Hampshire, by an all-night motor trial on 19th March, 1960, and by a motor cycle trial on Sunday, 30th July; whether he is aware that the lane from Avington to Ovington is extremely dangerous for such a purpose; and whether he will now take steps to see that in future such trials are routed upon suitable roads.

    I have not received any complaints about the motor and motor cycle trials held in Ovington. There is no evidence before me to show that the lane from Avington to Ovington is more dangerous when used by drivers taking part in trials than when used by drivers travelling independently. For the most part the organisers of trials co-operate voluntarily with the police and motoring organisations in the conduct of these events; I have recently had this matter under examination, and have come to the conclusion that I should not, at present, be justified in seeking powers to enable me to specify the roads on which such trials should be held.

    Right-Hand Turns

    asked the Minister of Transport whether he is aware that left turns are now increasingly prohibited in Paris, as in the Champs Elysées, to facilitate the flow of traffic; and what plans he has for the further prohibition of right-hand turns at busy crossroads in London and other large towns.

    Yes. I know that they restrict these turns in Paris. I have already prohibited right-hand turns at a large number of junctions in London, and have plans for a considerable extension of such controls. Outside London, this is a matter for the local authority concerned.

    Central London (Christmas Traffic Arrangements)

    asked the Minister of Transport what special arrangements he proposes for dealing with traffic in central London this Christmas.

    I am making special arrangements for Christmas traffic in consultation with the police and other interested bodies. I hope to announce my plans in detail shortly.

    Telephone Service

    External Extension Telephones

    99.

    asked the Postmaster-General how many external extension telephones have been installed during the past two years at a quarterly rental of over £1,000; who are the main users of these extensions; and why an adequate service cannot be given over the main telephone network in such cases.

    The public network could, of course, be used, but external extensions provide direct communication as well as access to the public network.No external extensions have been installed, during the past two years, at a quarterly rental of over £1,000.

    Calls To Canada (Charges)

    asked the Postmaster-General when he expects to be able to announce reductions in charges for telephone calls from the United Kingdom to Canada.

    I have no plans for reducing charges for telephone calls from the United Kingdom to Canada. From 1st November the Canadians are reducing the charges for calls from Canada to the United Kingdom. The Canadian charges are at present higher than ours, and the change will bring the two into line.

    Wireless And Television

    Pilkington Committee (Report)

    asked the Postmaster-General if he will now state when the Pilkington Report on Television Services may be expected.

    That is, of course, a matter for the Committee; but I hope it will be able to let me have its Report in the spring.

    Post Office

    Equipment (Purchases)

    asked the Postmaster-General, in view of the criticisms embodied in the Third Report of the Committee of Public Accounts of this Session of his system of buying cables, telephone apparatus and exchange equipment, what are his plans for future purchases; and to what extent he has considered the suggestion contained in paragraph 62 of terminating the present method of purchase.

    I have these matters under consideration but am not yet ready to make any statement.

    Home Department

    Immigrants

    100.

    asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department whether he will now make a statement about deportation of Commonwealth and Irish immigrants who become criminals.

    I am unable to make any further statement on this matter at present.

    101.

    asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department what was the net inflow of immigrants for the nine months ended 30th September, 1961; from which countries they principally came; and how the figures for the respective countries compare with those for the corresponding period of 1960.

    asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department how many immigrants came to the United Kingdom in 1960 and 1961 to date from Eire, the West Indies, India, Pakistan and other Commonwealth countries, respectively; and what is the total number of immigrants from these countries now settled in the United Kingdom.

    The following table gives such figures as are available:

    Estimated net inward movement during
    First nine months of 1960Whole of 1960First nine months of 1961
    West Indies38,10049,70050,800
    East Africa2202502,000
    West Africa- 210- 5503,850
    Cyprus2,0203,2004,200
    Gibraltar- 250- 380- 330
    Malta- 1,050-1,400400
    Aden210230110
    Hong Kong3005001,300
    Malaya- 440- 400350
    SingaporeNil- 40750
    India3,8005,90015,650
    Pakistan1,0202,50016,350
    Ceylon- 800- 1,100400
    The total number of immigrants in this country from the West Indies, India and Pakistan is believed to be something over 400,000. No estimates can be given in respect of other parts of the Commonwealth or the Irish Republic.NOTES—(1) A minus sign denotes a net outward movement.(2) Similar estimates in respect of other Commonwealth countries and the Irish Republic are not available.

    Crimes Of Violence

    asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department if he will give the number of convictions for violence of males under seventeen, and between seventeen and twenty-one, respectively, in 1948; and if he will give the same figures for the last convenient date in respect of those areas of Great Britain where courts had the power to remit to detention centres in January, 1961, and for the areas of Great Britain where courts did not have this power at that date.

    In 1948 the numbers of males under 17 and 17 but under 21 found guilty of indictable offences of violence against the person were 225 and 380, respectively. In 1960 the numbers of males under 17 and 17 but under 21 found guilty of indictable offences of violence against the person by courts having power to commit to detention centres were 859 and 1,304, respectively. The numbers found guilty by courts not having this power were 352 and 1,409, respectively.

    Civil Defence

    asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department if he is aware of the concern that Civil Defence is not being given sufficient attention by the authorities; and, in view of the need to alleviate this concern among men and women who are willing to serve the community in this respect, if he will give details of the action he intends to take to do this.

    The Government's plans for a revised programme of home defence preparations over a wide field were announced in paragraphs 39 to 41 of "Report on Defence 1961" (Cmnd. 1288). The development of these plans is proceeding and progress is kept under constant review. The Government has again stressed, in the course of the recent civil defence recruiting campaign, the importance which it attaches to the civil defence organisation, and to the contribution which local authorities and volunteers are making to it. I am glad to have this further opportunity of endorsing this.

    Horserace Totalisators (Betting Turnover)

    asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department what were the amonts invested on the horse-race totalisator for 1959 and 1960.

    The turnover on horserace totalisators for the years in question was:

    1959£28,448,743
    1960£30,250,995.

    Birmingham Ward Boundaries

    asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department when he expects to announce his decision on the proposals for changes in Birmingham ward boundaries.

    The commissioner whom I appointed to prepare a scheme with respect to the petition presented under Section 25 of the Local Government Act, 1933, by the Birmingham City Council, has now sent his scheme to me. I am required by the Act to submit it to Her Majesty in Council, who may approve it, with or without modifica- tions, or reject it. I shall submit it as soon as practicable.

    Detention Centres (Cardiff)

    asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department, (1) what consideration he has given to the recommendation for the establishment in Cardiff of a detention centre and remand centre for offenders under the age of 21 years; whether, in view of the lack of approved school accommodation and the pressure on local prisons in South Wales, he will treat this matter as one of urgency; and whether he will make a statement;(2) whether he is aware that the only detention centre available for Cardiff magistrates dealing with youths in the age-group of 14 years to 17 years is in Oxfordshire and that since this establishment is invariably full the Cardiff magistrates have only succeeded in obtaining three vacancies in seven years and whether, in view of the urgent need for greater facilities in South Wales for dealing with youths in this age category other than by sending them to prison, he will state the reply he gave to the request of the Cardiff magistrates for the provision of a detention centre in South Wales.

    Plans for a remand centre in Cardiff are being drawn up. It is not at present proposed to provide a detention centre in the city, but other centres now being built or planned will include coverage for South Wales. When a reply is sent to the Cardiff magistrates I will send the hon. Member a copy.

    Fireworks

    asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department if he will introduce legislation to restrict the sale of fireworks to children to a short period before the 5th November, and to restrict the explosion of fireworks to the 5th November only, except when expressly permitted by local authorities or police forces, in view of the hardship caused to infants, the sick and aged, and to domestic animals by the indiscriminate letting off of fireworks over a protracted period.

    I am not satisfied that there is a sufficient case to justify the additional restrictions suggested.

    Traffic Junction; Wembley (Police Control)

    asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department, if he will arrange for a police officer to control traffic at the junction of Harrow Road with Bridgewater Road and District Road, Wembley, during peak hours pending the installation of traffic signals.

    I am informed by the Commissioner of Police that arrangements have now been made to post an officer for duty at this junction during peak hours from Monday to Friday, inclusive.

    Firemen (Service Houses)

    asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department if his attention has been drawn to the hardship suffered by men of the fire services when, on reaching retirement age, they are given notice to leave their service houses; and if he will consult with the local fire authorities to find ways and means of avoiding court eviction orders.

    This is a matter for the local authority concerned, and is not one in which I can intervene.

    Visas (Vardar Football Club)

    asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department what representations he has received from Dunfermline Athletic Football Club in respect of the issue of visas for the Yugoslav football club, Vardar, which is to play Dunfermline in the European Cup Winners' Tournament; and what action he has taken.

    The Secretary of the Dunfermline Club wrote to my right hon. Friend the Lord Privy Seal on 15th October, with a view to avoiding any possible delay or difficulty in the grant of visas to the players and officials of the Vardar Club, or to commentators and supporters who wished to attend the match on 25th October. All visas applied for were promptly granted.

    Doric Portico, Euston Station

    Q7.

    asked the Prime Minister if he has considered the representations submitted to him by the Victorian Society, and other organisations and individuals, on the possibility of saving from destruction the Doric portico at Euston station; if he has agreed to receive a deputation on this subject; and if he will cause the work of demolition to be delayed until he has met this deputation and considered the arguments that will be advanced by the Members of both Houses of Parliament and architectural and engineering experts composing it.

    Yes. I have agreed to receive a deputation on this subject. Work is already in progress on the demolition of the flanking lodges, but this will not be extended to the main feaures of the Doric portico itself before I have seen the deputation.

    Royal Navy

    Nuclear Propulsion

    asked the Civil Lord of the Admiralty whether he will make a statement on the Admiralty's plans regarding nuclear propelled vessels.

    The second nuclear submarine, H.M.S. "Valiant", has been ordered. We hope that in due course she will give her name to a class of nuclear submarines with largely British machinery.

    Courts-Martial

    asked the Civil Lord of the Admiralty if he will state the number of naval officers since 1st January, 1955, who have been tried by courts-martial under circumstances where the Judge Advocate was neither a member of the Bar nor a qualified solicitor; where the officers on trial, if civilians, would have been tried by a criminal court; and where the officers on trial stood in jeopardy, if convicted, of imprisonment or dismissal from the service.

    I regret that the information cannot be compiled in the time available; I will write to the hon. Member as soon as I am in a position to do so.

    Royal Air Force

    No 4 Mt Squadron

    asked the Secretary of State for Air why he proposes to move No. 4 M.T. Squadron to North Weald rather than to Woolwich Arsenal.

    New facilities and accommodation costing about £1 million would have to be provided for the Squadron at Woolwich Arsenal, whereas existing facilities and accommodation at Royal Air Force, North Weald, could be adapted for its use for about £127,000. Moreover, the roads around Woolwich Arsenal are less suitable for use by the more unwieldy of the Squadron's vehicles.

    India

    Katanga (United Nations Forces)

    asked the Secretary of State for Commonwealth Relations what reply he has made to the official representations from the Indian Government alleging the dissemination by the British Press and the British Broadcasting Corporation of false or tendentious reports about the behaviour of the Indian troops during the recent United Nations operations in Katanga.

    No official representations were made by the Indian Government. However, in view of the public interest which was aroused in India by these reports, the following statement was issued from Admiralty House on 28th September:

    "The Prime Minister has sent a message to Mr. Nehru expressing deep regret at the casualties suffered by Indian forces serving with the United Nations in Katanga. He has also made it clear that at no stage has the British Government given any support to allegations of inhumane conduct by Indian troops in the Congo. He has told Mr. Nehru that now, as always, the British Government holds the Indian Army in the highest regard."

    Swaziland

    Railway Development

    asked the Secretary of State for Commonwealth Relations whether he will make a statement about railway development in Swaziland.

    Her Majesty's Government have decided that work on the building of the first railway in Swaziland shall begin as soon as possible. The railway will run a distance of about 140 miles from the west of Swaziland to the Mozambique border where it will link with the Portuguese railway to Lourenco Marques.Construction of this rail link will make it possible to develop for export large iron ore deposits at Ngwenya.The estimated cost of building the Swaziland section will be about £8 million. The Colonial Development Corporation and the Anglo-American Corporation have agreed to provide the major proportion of the capital required. I take this opportunity of thanking these two Corporations for their co-operation in this venture which will, I am sure, do much to foster the development of this Territory.The High Commissioner has issued a proclamation providing for the establishment of a Swaziland Railway Board which will be responsible for the Swaziland section of the new railway. The proclamation provides for a member of the Board representing the Swazi nation and three other unofficial members.

    Ministry Of Defence

    Armed Forces (Pensions And Dependants' Benefits)

    asked the Minister of Defence if he will state the annual cost of notional contributions for pensions and dependants' benefits for all members of the Armed Forces in 1960–61 or the nearest available date.

    As the provision made for pensions and dependants' benefits for members of the Armed Forces is on a non-contributory basis I regret that it is not possible to give an answer to the hon. Member's Question.

    Armed Forces (Strength)

    asked the Minister of Defence whether he will re-issue Annex 1, Tables 1 and 2, of the Report on Defence, 1961, modified in the light of recent recruiting figures, including and excluding boys.

    I do not consider it would be useful at this stage to issue a revised estimate of strength as at 1st April, 1962.

    Singapore

    asked the Minister of Defence to what extent he has given consideration to the withdrawal of forces from Singapore either as a whole or in part; whether he has consulted Commonwealth Governments in the Far East for alternative requirements; whether representations have been made to him from Tunku Abdul Rahman, the Malayan Prime Minister, about the future use of Singapore as a South-East Asia Treaty Organisation base; and if he will make a statement.

    It is expected that defence issues will be among the subjects discussed in the talks to be held with Tunku Abdul Rahman, the Prime Minister of the Federation of Malaya, on the suggested closer association between the Federation of Malaya, Singapore, North Borneo, Brunei and Sarawak. Her Majesty's Ministers in the United Kingdom are of course in constant touch with the other Commonwealth Governments concerned in these matters. It would be premature to make a statement at this stage.

    TERRITORIAL ARMY STRENGTH
    OfficersOther Ranks
    MaleFemaleMaleFemaleTotal
    1st January, 196110,672587108,6935,475125,427
    31st August, 19619,71053794,8994,339109,485
    TERRITORIAL ARMY INTAKE
    PERIOD 1ST JANUARY-31ST AUGUST, 1961
    OfficersOther RanksTotal
    MaleFemaleMaleFemale
    4423313,22467714,376

    Service Dependants (Movement Overseas)

    asked the Minister of Defence what action he is taking regarding the repatriation of British Army of the Rhine dependants and the banning of any further movement of Service dependants overseas, in view of United States Government policy in this connection within the North Atlantic Treaty Organisation Alliance.

    Defence Programme (Review)

    asked the Minister of Defence what changes he is planning in the structure of the Armed Forces; and if he will make a statement.

    A review of the defence programme is at present in progress. I do not expect to have any detailed statement to make about it before the next Defence White Paper is issued.

    British Army

    Territorial Army

    asked the Secretary of State for War if he will give the number of officers and other ranks, by sexes, who were serving in the Territorial Army on 1st January, 1961, and the same figures for the last convenient date; how many new recruits have been enrolled during the current year; and how many officers and other ranks have resigned or been declared redundant since January, 1961.

    The above figures do not include the part-time National Service element of the Territorial Army.

    During the same period, 1,259 male officers and 47 female officers transferred from the Active List to the Reserve, but the majority of these transfers were for reasons unconnected with the re-organisation of the Territorial Army.

    Also during the same period, 3,473 volunteer other ranks left the Territorial Army at their own request and 8,598 left because their services were no longer required. Most of those in the second category left for reasons connected with the re-organisation.

    Sandhurst Cadets

    asked the Secretary of State for War what proportion of cadets at Sandhurst come from the Dominions, the Colonies and other countries, respectively.

    8·3 per cent. come from independent Commonwealth countries, 3·5 per cent. from Colonies and Protectorates, and 2·3 per cent. from other countries. Some of these cadets are being trained for commissions in the British Army, but most are destined to serve in the forces of their own country.

    Rifles (Sale)

    asked the Secretary of State for War why Her Majesty's Government sold 600,000 Service rifles to a firm called International Armament Corporation, the financial control of which is outside the United Kingdom; what were the circumstances of this sale; what conditions were imposed on the buyer; at what price the rifles were sold; and how the price compared with the cost of manufacture.

    These rifles were sold in 1958 by the former Ministry of Supply, after competition amongst gun dealers, to a British firm of gunsmiths and firearms dealers (Cogswell & Harrison Ltd.) who are associated with International Armament Corporation, an American concern. The rifles were surplus to Army needs. They were obsolete and unserviceable, some being fit only for cannibalisation.Apart from the Standard Conditions of Contract applicable to the sale of Government surpluses, the purchasers were under obligation to observe the statutory requirements in connection with the purchase, sale and export of firearms, for example, the need to obtain an export licence.It would not be in line with accepted practice to disclose the prices obtained; and since these rifles were manufactured over a long period, during the war years or earlier, it would not now be practicable to make any direct comparison between the sale price and the cost of manufacture.

    Baor

    asked the Secretary of State for War what plans he has made for satisfactorily accommodating the additional Army personnel and their families in the event of the British Army of the Rhine being brought up to strength, either because of an emergency, or a more rapid build-up than hitherto planned; and to what extent he intends creating better and more social facilities for all concerned.

    I am satisfied that barrack accommodation in Germany is adequate for the full strength of the British Army of the Rhine. Steady progress is being made in the provision of married quarters. Social facilities are of a high standard.

    asked the Secretary of State for War what steps he is taking to bring the British Army of the Rhine up to fully operational strength, in view of the manpower and equipment shortages and other weakness exposed by Exercise Spearpoint.

    In response to SACEUR'S request for the strengthening of his forces, Her Majesty's Government have already taken certain measures to reinforce B.A.O.R. 36 S.A.G.W. Regiment, R.A., was moved to Germany in September. 22 L.A.A. Regiment, R.A., and Headquarters 7 A.G.R.A. (A.A.) are now in process of moving to Germany, and 16 L.A.A. Regiment, and an additional locating unit will follow later. These are the reinforcements for which the Commander-in-Chief B.A.O.R. has asked to improve the immediate operational capability of his forces; other individual reinforcements of specialists are being sent in order to maintain a balanced force in Germany which could rapidly be brought up to full war strength in an emergency. As my right hon. Friend the Minister of Defence has recently explained, it is not the Government's policy to maintain B.A.O.R. at its full war strength in peace time. Should the situation require it, there would be a proclamation and mobilisation, and reinforcement plans exist for speedily putting B.A.O.R. on a full war footing.As regards equipment, considerable progress has been made with the introduction of new weapons in the past two years, and further improvements are planned. Re-equipment is a continuing process; but I am satisfied that B.A.O.R. is fully capable of giving a good account of itself with the equipment it now has.

    Naafi (Corbett Committee's Report)

    asked the Secretary of State for War if he is yet able to make a statement about the Report of the Corbett Committee appointed to consider the administration of the Navy, Army and Air Force Institutes.

    The Committee, to which the hon. Gentleman refers, was set up in July, 1960, under the chairmanship of Mr. John Corbett, to review the status and operations of the Navy, Army and Air Force Institutes in the light of the needs of the future all-regular forces. The Committee has reported, after hearing evidence from the Service Departments, from N.A.A.F.I. and from other interested parties, and after visits to Service and N.A.A.F.I. Establishments at home and overseas, during which they met representatives of Service men and Service wives. The Service Departments have broadly accepted the recommendations of the Committee.The Committee have found that N.A.A.F.I. is meeting an essential need of the Services, and that the basic concept of the N.A.A.F.I. as a specialist purveyor to the Services is right, and should continue. N.A.A.F.I. is required to operate wherever the Services are deployed throughout the world and without regard to the profitability of a particular establishment. Moreover, N.A.A.F.I. must continue to be restricted to dealing with the Services, their families and U.K. based civilians employed overseas by the Service Departments. N.A.A.F.I. is also an important source of funds for Service welfare activities. These funds depend upon the continued economic viability of N.A.A.F.I. To this end the Committee have recommended that N.A.A.F.I. should retain its present position in Service establishments and bases.The Committee noted that Servicemen told them that they and their families can now afford to satisfy needs which, in line with those of the whole nation, have become more sophisticated and diversified. There is a growing demand that N.A.A.F.I. should provide facilities to enable a greater diversity of trading to be undertaken.The Committee found that N.A.A.F.I. had made great efforts to meet the increased needs of its customers. The success of these efforts had, however, been limited occasionally by the present method of obtaining policy decisions from the Service Departments, by having to compete for facilities with other urgent calls on the resources available to the Service Departments and by some over-straining of the N.A.A.F.I. as a result of the growing diversification of the trade. The Committee consider that a modification of the structure and procedure at the top would put N.A.A.F.I. in a better position to avail itself of additional opportunities to improve the services that it provides for the Forces.To this end, the Committee have recommended that the N.A.A.F.I. Council, comprising representatives of the three Service Departments, should be reduced from 12 to 7 or 8 members of the standing to give or obtain rapid decisions on policy issues; that the Council, while retaining the ultimate authority, should leave the Board of Management the greatest possible freedom in the day-to-day running of the Corporation; and that the Board of Management should be strengthened by inclusion of additional experts.The Committee examined the provision, maintenance, decoration and furnishing of canteens. They recognised that it was not their function to advise on priorities

    vis-à-vis other claims on the resources available to the Services, but recommended that a programme of improvements be undertaken,

    in which each canteen should be considered as a whole.

    The Committee suggested that the Service Departments and N.A.A.F.I. could, with benefit, review the working of their machinery for ascertaining and dealing with customer opinion. They drew attention to the importance of the views of wives in the light of the increasing part which family trade is playing in N.A.A.F.I.'s turn-over.

    My noble Friend the First Lord of the Admiralty, my right hon. Friend the Secretary of State for Air and I are grateful for the thorough and helpful review made by the Corbett Committee, endorse the Committee's view that N.A.A.F.I. is performing satisfactorily an indispensable and developing service to the forces and are certain that the Committee's Report will lead to further desirable developments.

    Recruiting

    asked the Secretary of State for War to what extent he has studied the effect of the Berlin situation on recruiting for the Army.

    It would not be practicable to quantify this. There has been a steadily increasing improvement in Army recruiting this year, which must be largely attributed to the success of various measures taken by Her Majesty's Government. International tension often produces recruits, but in this case it is likely to have had only marginal effects.

    asked the Secretary of State for War how many men joined the Army in Leeds in September.

    Ministry Of Works

    Monk Bretton Priory, Barnsley

    asked the Minister of Works what protests he has received about new developments being approved which encroach upon the immediate surroundings of Monk Bretton Priory, near Barnsley; whether he has inspected the plans; and what representations he has made to the Minister of Housing and Local Government and Minister for Welsh Affairs about these developments.

    The only protest I have received, apart from that of the hon. Member, has come from a local resident who objects to the building proposals of the borough council near the Priory. At all stages my Department has been in consultation with that of my right hon. Friend and, as our views do not conflict, I have made no representations to him.