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Written Answers

Volume 662: debated on Tuesday 3 July 1962

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Written Answers To Questions

Tuesday, 3rd July, 1962

Trade And Commerce Ussr (Oil)

6.

asked the President of the Board of Trade what steps he is now taking to encourage oil imports from the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics.

Scotland

Scottish Law Reform Committee (Reports)

33 and 34.

asked the Lord Advocate (1) what action has been taken regarding, the 5th Report of the Scottish Law Reform Committee dealing with enforcement of orders in Scotland for maintenance;(2) what action has been taken regarding the 7th Report of the Scottish Law Reform Committee dealing with actions in Sheriff Courts for payment of aliment.

I have been asked to reply, and, with permission, I shall answer Questions 33 and 34 together. The Reports of the Scottish Law Reform Committee to which the hon. Member refers have, of course, been considered, but my right hon. Friend is unable to say when it will be possible to introduce legislation on these subjects.

United States Sailors (Offences)

55.

asked the Secretary of State for Scotland if he will give a list of the sentences, fines or imprisonment passed on United States sailors at the Polaris base, specifying the various offences committed.

Since 3rd March, 1961, proceedings against 71 United States sailors have resulted in convictions of 61 road traffic offences and 31 other offences. The offences, which are shown below, were dealt with as follows:

OffenceNumber of casesDisposal
Assault4Fines ranging from £2-£10.
Theft5Fines ranging from £2-£10.
Reset3Admonished.
Malicious, mischief3Fines ranging from £5-£10.
Breach of the peace8Fines ranging from £l-£10.
Indecent exposure1£5 fine.
Road traffic offences61Fines ranging from £5-£25 and in some cases dis-qualification ordered; in one case, 30 days imprisonment.
Other statutory offences.7Fines ranging from £l-£10.
92

Forth Road Bridge

asked the Secretary of State for Scotland whether he has consulted Scottish motoring associations and motoring clubs on the question of tolls to be levied on the Forth Road Bridge.

No. It would be inappropriate for me to enter into such consultations as the Forth Road Bridge Order, 1958, provides that the schedule of tolls proposed by the Joint Board should be advertised for objections after it has been submitted to me for approval. To comply with the terms of the Order I expect the Joint Board to do this about the end of the year.

Swaziland

Constitutional Proposals

35.

asked the Secretary of State for the Colonies if he will make a statement on the progress of the discussions for a constitution for Swaziland.

As I informed the hon. Member on 19th April, the public of Swaziland had until the end of June to consider any constitutional proposals. Many submissions have been made by persons of all shades of opinion and these are now being studied by the Resident Commissioner

St Helena

Advisory Council

40.

asked the Secretary of State for the Colonies when elections are to be held for the newly constituted Advisory Council of St. Helena.

A date has not yet been fixed. The constitutional instruments required are being prepared.

Aden

Constitutional Proposals

41.

asked the Secretary of State for the Colonies if he will place in the Library of the House of Commons a copy of the agreement between the colony of Aden and the Federation of South Arabia, signed on 17th May, 1962, which is to be the subject of the constitutional conference in London on 22nd July, 1962.

I shall be meeting Ministers of the Federation and of Aden to discuss informally the constitutional proposals on which they have provisionally agreed. One of the matters to be discussed will be the manner and time of publication of their proposals.

Uganda

Constitutional Conference (Conclusions)

38.

asked the Secretary of State for the Colonies if he will make a statement on the progress achieved at the Uganda Constitutional Conference.

43.

asked the Secretary of State for the Colonies if he will make a statement on the results of the Uganda Constitutional Conference.

Independence and Commonwealth Membership

The Conference confirmed the provisional agreement reached at the Uganda Constitutional Conference, 1961, that Uganda should attain independence on 9th October, 1962.
All the Uganda representatives joined in expressing the wish that on attaining independence Uganda should be accepted as a member country of the Commonwealth. They were also united in desiring that after independence Uganda should continue in allegiance to Her Majesty the Queen as Queen of Uganda. The United Kingdom Delegation readily undertook to support with the other members of the Commonwealth Uganda's application for acceptance as a fellow-member.

The Independence Constitution

The main task of the Constitutional Committee was to reach agreement on the provisions of a Constitution for Uganda after independence. Points which were given particular consideration included:—boundary changes; fundamental human rights; head of State; specially elected members of the National Assembly; use of emergency powers; appointment of an Electoral Commission; the prerogative of mercy; the High Court of Uganda; appeals to the Privy Council; the means by which Parliament may amend the Constitution; the public service and the police force.

Fiscal Matters

The Fiscal Committee considered and recommended to the Conference what should be the fiscal relationships between the Central Government and other Authorities in Uganda after independence. In so doing the Conference concentrated in particular upon those recommendations of the (Hicks-Tress) Fiscal Commission which had substantial constitutional implications: many of the Fiscal Commission's recommendations did not require consideration by the Conference, either because they had no constitutional significance or because they concerned administration rather than policy or because they simply confirmed agreement reached at the 1961 Conference. Full details of the recommendations will be published in the Conference Report.

Citizenship

The Constitution will create a citizenship of Uganda. It will contain provisions dealing with the following aspects of this subject:—persons automatically acquiring Uganda Citizenship on Independence; entitlement to citizenship of Uganda by registration; acquisition of Uganda Citizenship by birth after independence; acquisition of Uganda Citizenship by married women; dual citizenship.

The Kingdoms

The Agreements between Her Majesty and the Rulers of the Kingdoms will cease to have effect at independence. In the case of Buganda, the Kingdom Constitution is already annexed to the Uganda Constitution.
In the cases of Ankole, Bunyoro and Toro, the Conference agreed that a number of additional provisions about the relationship between these Kingdoms and the Central Government should be included in the Constitution. These provisions fall into five groups—(i) those relating to the domestic institutions of the three Kingdoms that will be inserted in the Constitution; (ii) the method of amending those provisions; (iii) the extent of the legislative powers of the Kingdoms; (iv) the provisions of the Constitution as to relations between the Central Government and the Kingdoms that should be entrenched; (v) the method of amending those provisions.
Busoga will be treated in the same way as the Kingdoms of Ankole, Bunyoro and Toro and will be known as the Territory of Busoga. The provisions to be inserted in the Constitution for the domestic institutions of Busoga will be agreed between the Uganda Government and the Government of the Territory.

Public Order and Police Powers

The Central Government will have full authority for public safety and public order throughout Uganda. There will be a Kabaka's Police Force which will be complementary to and will co-operate with the Uganda Police Force, in Buganda. The Inspector General of Police will be responsible for the command and co-ordination of all police activities throughout Uganda and (except in so far as the responsible Minister of the Central Government may give him general directions of policy in the interests of public security and public order throughout Uganda) his control of their operations will be unfettered.
The Constitution will provide that there will be police forces for the Kingdoms of Ankole, Bunyoro and Toro that will have such composition, powers and functions as are provided by a law of the Uganda Parliament.

The Lost Counties

The Secretary of State informed the Conference that, to his great regret, it had not proved possible to achieve by negotiation an agreed solution to this long-standing and intractable problem. Nevertheless, matters could be left as they now stood. It therefore fell to him, in the absence of agreement between the Kingdoms of Buganda and Bunyoro, to take a decision: and after much careful thought he had reached the conclusion that the right course was as follows—
  • (a) there would be no immediate transfer of territory;
  • (b) the administration of the two counties of Buyaga and Bugangazzi would be transferred to the Central Government;
  • (c) after not less than two years from the date of transfer the National Assembly of Uganda would decide upon a date for referendum in these two counties in which the electorate would be asked to express their preference between the following choices—
  • (i) to be part of Buganda with the administration of the area reverting to the Kabaka's Government;
  • (ii) to be part of Bunyoro with the administration of the area passing to the Government of Bunyoro; or
  • (iii) to be a new District, remaining under the administration of the Central Government;
  • (d) the future of the two counties would then finally be determined on the basis of the views expressed in the referendum.
  • The Prime Minister of Uganda undertook on behalf of the Uganda Government to accept the responsibility for the administration of the two counties which the statement by the Secretary of State required

    42.

    asked the Secretary of State for the Colonies if he will give details of the arrangements for the central administration of the two lost countries of Bunyoro agreed at the Uganda Constitutional Conference, particularly in respect to the provision of police and the appointment of chiefs.

    The Governor is working out these details in consultation with the Uganda Government and the other authorities concerned.

    Malta

    Capital Assistance

    44.

    asked the Secretary of State for the Colonies how far the promise of Her Majesty's Government on 25th March, 1958, to give a grant of £25 million to Malta in five years has been implemented; and what is today the position concerning this grant

    This offer to which my hon. Friend refers was part of a proposed settlement which the Maltese Government at the time did not see fit to accept. Nevertheless, the British Government did subsequently undertake to provide £29¼ million in capital assistance over the period 1959 to 1964. It is estimated that at 31st March this year about £16¾ million of the total allocation remained available for expenditure in the remaining two years of the current development period.

    Kenya

    Constitution

    45.

    asked the Secretary of State for the Colonies what measures he is now taking to prepare Kenya for independence; and what new proposals he intends to put to the political leaders in Kenya.

    The Kenya Council of Ministers are working out the details of the new constitution for Kenya on the basis of the framework agreed at the 1962 Lancaster House Conference. I have no new proposals to put before the political leaders in Kenya but my visit to Kenya will give me the opportunity to review matters.

    British Guiana

    Constitutional Conference

    asked the Secretary of State for the Colonies whether a decision has yet been reached about the date of the British Guiana Constitutional Conference.

    The Commission appointed to inquire into the disturbances in February in British Guiana expect to submit their report in August. As I told the Government of British Guiana in mid-June, when urging the immediate submission by all parties of papers embodying proposals for consideration at the conference, which I had proposed to hold in July, I consider it essential that Report of the Commission should be available to the Conference before it starts. I regret, therefore, that it will be necessary to postpone the Conference. I now propose to hold it as soon as practicable after the Commonwealth Prime Ministers' Conference in September.

    Post Office

    Alderman Charles Smith (Pension)

    47.

    asked the Postmaster-General how much pensionable service in the Post Office has been lost by Alderman Charles Smith as a result of his year of office as chief citizen of the City of Bristol; and what changes in Post Office rules he will make in order to remedy this and similar situations.

    Alderman Smith lost 338 days in consequence of his Lord Mayoralty. This does not necessarily mean, however, that there will be any resulting loss of pension if Alderman Smith retires either at or after the earliest normal retiring age of 60. The matter is not one which could be dealt with by a change of Post Office rules: it is governed by the Superannuation Acts.

    Telephone Service

    West Country

    48.

    asked the Postmaster-General what proposals he has for improving the telephone service from London to the West country.

    My right hon. Friend is not aware of any general dissatisfaction with service to the West country. Traffic is increasing, and more circuits are being provided. If the hon. Member has particular difficulties in mind and will let him know details, my right hon. Friend will gladly make inquiries.

    Hainault And Loughton Exchanges

    asked the Postmaster-General what is his programme for making the Hainault and Loughton telephone exchanges fully automatic.

    I am hoping to convert both these exchanges to automatic working in 1965.

    Wireless And Television

    Pilkington Committee

    49.

    asked the Postmaster-General whether he will state the names of the technical advisers who were appointed to advise the Pilkington Committee on Broadcasting.

    No technical advisers were so appointed, but, of course, the Committee membership included Dr. Smith Rose, a radio scientist. The Committee had before them the Television Advisory Committee Report, 1960. They also had papers on technical matters, supplemented by oral evidence, from amongst others, the B.B.C. and I.T.A., the Post Office, and the radio industry. They were, of course, able to seek advice where they wished.

    Broadcasting (White Paper)

    asked the Postmaster-General when he proposes to publish the White Paper on Broadcasting.

    The Government propose to publish the White Paper on Wednesday of this week. Copies will be available in the Vote Office.

    Local Government

    Worcestershire (Green Belt Proposals)

    50.

    asked the Minister of Housing and Local Government and Minister for Welsh Affairs whether he is yet in a position to give the Worcestershire County Council details of the modifications which he proposes to make to their Green Belt proposals.

    I have sent the County Council details of my proposed modifications to their Green Belt proposals following my Inspector's report. At the same time I have drawn attention to the recent studies showing that the number of families who may have to move from Birmingham will be much larger than was believed when Worcestershire drew up their proposals and said that after carefully considering the problem I concluded that it would be premature to give a final decision upon any Green Belt proposals in this area until the full implications of the situation as now seen have been explored. I hope however that all possible progress will be made between Birmingham and the counties towards agreement on town development programmes on the basis of the existing Green Belt proposals with the modifications which I propose.

    West Ham (Interest Charges)

    51.

    asked the Minister of Housing and Local Government and Minister for Welsh Affairs whether he will publish in HANSARD a table of figures giving the amounts spent in interest charges by the County Borough Council of West Ham, for each of the years 1951–61.

    The figures are as follows:

    Annual interest payments by West Ham County Borough Council
    Year£
    1950–51186,807
    1951–52192,334
    1952–53218,070
    1953–54253,010
    1954–55288,372
    1955–56367,770
    1956–57445,703
    1957–58521,282
    1958–59603,423
    1959–60662,430
    1960–61796,544
    * Source: Epitome of Accounts.

    Shoreham Airport

    asked the Minister of Housing and Local Government and Minister for Welsh Affairs whether, in view of the fact that the construction of an aircraft factory on civil airport land involves a departure from the provisions of the town map, he will now direct the West Sussex County Council to revoke planning permission in respect of the Beagle Aircraft Company's plans to develop Shoreham Airport and to manufacture aircraft there; and if he will order a public inquiry to be held forthwith, bearing in mind the fact that ample aircraft factory space can be found in non-residential areas elsewhere.

    No. The West Sussex County Council referred two applications to my right hon. Friend in October, 1961; they were for the erection of factory and office buildings and an extension to the technical and drawing offices at Shoreham Airport. The County Council, in agreement with the Worthing Rural District Council, had decided to give approval after considering the objections which they had received as a result of Press publicity. The Council referred the matter to my right hon. Friend as a departure from the development plan was involved and he was able to consider the objections which they had received. There was a history of industrial use in buildings on the airport and he considered that as the proposal had been publicised, as objections had been made known, and as the local planning authority had taken these into account in reaching their decision he had sufficient information before him on which to authorise the Council to give permissions in accordance with their decisions.

    National Finance

    Imperial Chemical Industries

    52.

    asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer if he will state the total value of contracts placed with Imperial Chemical Industries on Government account in the last five years.

    Ancient Monuments And Historic Buildings (Working Group's Conclusions)

    asked the Financial Secretary to the Treasury if he will now make a statement about the work of the Ministerial Working Group on ancient monuments and historic buildings which has been sitting under his chairmanship.

    The Working Group set up following my announcement in the Adjournment Debate on 24th May, 1960, with the terms of reference outlined by my right hon. Friend, the Chancellor of the Exchequer, on 22nd November, 1960, has now concluded its inquiries and its main conclusions have been endorsed by the Government.It took evidence from a number of quarters and was greatly helped by the examination of some of the problems which had already been undertaken by the Select Committee on Estimates (Fifth Report 1959–60).The Working Group found that there was little overlapping of effort between the various official bodies engaged in some degree in the task of identifying and recording ancient monuments, sites or buildings of historical or architectural importance. These are the Ministry of Works, the Ministry of Housing and Local Government, the three Royal Commissions on Ancient and Historical Monuments, the Ordnance Survey and the National Buildings Record. The Group seriously considered the suggestion that a single centralised organisation should be created to cover the whole of the Government's effort in this field, but concluded that such an arrangement was neither necessary nor practicable, though a greater degree of formal co-ordination of effort and certain organisational and functional adjustments were desirable.The main proposals arising from the work of the Group are as follows:—

  • (i) Co-ordination and oversight of the work in this field of the various bodies concerned should be entrusted to a new Standing Committee on the Recording of Ancient Monuments and Historic Buildings under Ministerial chairmanship.
  • (ii) The important collection of photographs and measured drawings belonging to the National Buildings Record should, subject to the agreement of the Council of the National Buildings Record, be transferred to the Royal Commission on Historical Monuments (England) and to the Royal Commission on Ancient Monuments (Wales and Monmouthshire). The Royal Commissions would assume responsibility for the functions of the National Buildings Record.
  • (iii) The membership of the three Royal Commissions should be for a period of years and not for life as at present.
  • (iv) The Royal Commissions should be more selective in their work and should make no further extensions in their terminal dates at least until the burden of work implied by their present Terms of Reference has been considerably reduced.
  • (v) There should be some reduction in the intensity of the archaeological work carried out by the Ordnance Survey.
  • National Theatre And Sadler's Wells

    asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer whether he can now announce the Government's decision on the National Theatre and Sadler's Wells.

    Yes. The Arts Council reported favourably on the proposals published by the Joint Council of the National Theatre on 17th April. After consulting the London County Council, the Government have decided to accept the Joint Council's scheme in principle, and to arrange in conjunction with the London County Council for its implementation to begin. The first step must be the appointment of a National Theatre Board which will be responsible for creating and running the National Theatre Company. With the agreement of the London County Council I have invited Lord Chandos to be the first Chairman of this Board, and I am happy to inform the House that he has accepted the invitation. I also propose to appoint in consultation with the London County Council a South Bank Theatre and Opera House Board, to be responsible—under the Government and the London County Council—for building the national Theatre and also the new Opera House on the South Bank as a replacement for Sadler's Wells, and for advising on the allocation of the capital funds available. I am glad to say that Lord Cottesloe, as Chairman of the Arts Council, has accepted an invitation to preside over this body, which will include representatives of both the National Theatre Board and Sadler's Wells. I shall announce the full composition of the National Theatre Board and of the South Bank Theatre and Opera House Board as soon as possible.

    Quemoy And Matsus

    53.

    asked the Lord Privy Seal whether, in view of the current disturbed situation in the Straits of Taiwan, he will renew the declaration of Her Majesty's Government in 1955 that the off-shore islands of Quemoy and the Matsus undoubtedly form part of the territory of the People's Republic of China.

    On 4th February, 1955, my noble Friend Lord Avon told the House that:

    "The Nationalist-held islands in close proximity to the coast of China are in a different category from Formosa and the Pescadores, since they undoubtedly form part of the territory of the People's Republic of China."
    But he added:

    Any attempt by the Government of the People's Republic of China, however, to assert its authority over these islands by force would, in the circumstances at present peculiar to the case, give rise to a situation endangering peace and security, which is properly a matter of international concern."

    This remains the view of Her Majesty's Government.

    British Army

    National Service Men

    54.

    asked the Secretary of State for War if he is aware that certain National Service men now serving in the Far East and due for release in November have recently been told that they are to be in Germany by October; and if such men will be required to do an extra six months' service, which was stated to have been limited to men already serving in the British Army of the Rhine or Who were due to move there.

    I would refer the hon. Member to the statement I made on 27th November, 1961, during the Second Reading of the Army Reserve Act, in columns 47 and 48 of the OFFICIAL REPORT.

    Personal Case

    asked the Secretary of State for War (1) whether he is aware that the Chadderton ex-soldier who has been refused payment of pension increment after 24 years' service on the ground that his declared age on attestation was given as 18-plus instead of 19-plus did correctly state his date of birth as shown in his paybook and the error was one of computation by the officer filling in the attestation form; and what action he proposes to take in this particular case;(2) whether he is aware that a Chadderton ex-soldier, whose name has been supplied to him, has been refused payment of pension increment on reaching age of 60 on the ground that a higher authority has ruled that his age must be computed by reference to his attestation form, and not his birth certificate; who is the higher authority referred to; and what action he proposes to take in respect of this general ruling.

    I am consider this case further and will write to the hon. Member very shortly.

    Education

    European Youth Centre

    asked the Minister of Education whether he will make a further statement on the establishment of a European youth centre.

    At its meeting last month the Council for Cultural Cooperation of the Council of Europe reiterated its interest in the establishment of the centre, which it regards as the most important and urgent proposal in the Council of Europe's youth programme. It considered that such a centre could also be an effective instrument for furthering the aims of cultural co-operation. This favourable recommendation was transmitted to the committee of Ministers who have begun, but have not yet completed, their examination of the financial and administrative aspects.

    Technical College Students (External Degree Courses)

    asked the Minister of Education how many pupils at technical colleges were taking London external degree courses at the latest available date.

    In the educational year 1961–62, 9,484 students were enrolled in courses leading to a university first degree and 1,255 in higher degree courses (including postgraduate studies and research). Most of these were at London University but it is not known how many were external students.

    Home Department

    Committee Of 100 Demonstration, Greenham Common

    asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department by what authority the police obtained the fingerprints and photographs of arrested persons following the Committee of 100 demonstration at Greenham Common on Saturday, 23rd June.

    This is a matter which falls within the responsibility of the Chief Constable of Berkshire, to whose notice I have brought the hon. Member's Question.

    Railways

    Wages And Salaries

    asked the Minister of Transport if he will direct the British Transport Commission to publish the figures for wages and salaries in 1961, giving the figures for British Railways separately, and showing in each case how much was charged to revenue account.

    I do not propose to give such a direction in what is probably the last year of the Commission's existence, but I intend to pursue the question of publication with the British Railways Board. Meanwhile, I am sending the hon. Member the figures in which he is interested.

    Roads

    A25 Road

    asked the Minister of Transport how many miles of the A.25 road have a continuous double white line, and what percentage of the total length of the road this represents.

    asked the Minister of Transport how many miles of the A.25 road have a continuous white line with a dotted white line alongside it, and what percentage of the total length of the road this represents.

    asked the Minister of Transport when a traffic survey was last carried out on the A.25 road.

    A comprehensive census was taken at points along the length of this road in both Kent and Surrey in 1954. Since then the Kent County Council has made same counts and now has a continuous automatic count in operation at a point 2 miles east of Sevenoaks.The most recent counts by the Surrey County Council were single day traffic counts in 1959 and 1961 at various points.

    asked the Minister al Transport how many heavy transport vehicles of all types are estimated to use the A.25 road on an ordinary working day.

    The estimated number per day of heavy transport vehicles using the A.25 road is set out in the table below for various points along the road.

    Midway between A25/A21 and A25/A.225 junctions1,308
    Near Sundridge cross roads909
    Near Kenty County Boundary648
    Midway between A25/A22 and A25/B.2025 junctions550
    Two miles east of A25/A23 junction737
    Buckland1,202
    Betchworth By-Pass1,320
    Near A25/B2126 junction509

    asked the Minister of Transport how many lorries carrying heavy loads of bricks, tiles and other goods for the building industry are estimated to use the A.25 road on an ordinary working day.

    I regret no information is available at present about the loads carried by vehicles on this road. The London Traffic Survey when completed will provide some data about vehicles using this road and entering or leaving the Survey area.

    asked the Minister of Transport how many private cars are estimated to use the A.25 road daily in the winter, and how many in the summer.

    The estimated daily average number of private cars at various points along the A.25 road this summer are set out in the table below. These estimates are based on census figures which are not available for the lesser winter traffic flows on this road.

    Midway between A.25/A.21 and A.25/A.225 junctions7,154
    Near Sundridge cross roads6,677
    Near Kent County Boundary5,929
    Midway between A.25/A.22 and A.25/B.2025 junctions6,633
    Two miles east of A.25/A.23 junction7,145
    Buckland10,208
    Betchworth By-Pass10,461
    Near A.25/B.2126 junction6,391