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Volume 670: debated on Tuesday 22 January 1963

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Written Answers To Questions

Tuesday, 22nd January, 1963

Telephone Service

Applications

asked the Postmaster-General what was the size of the waiting list for telephones in each telephone area in the United Kingdom at 30th September, 1962; and what proportion this bore in each case to the total number of subscribers in each area.

The figures are:

Telephone AreaWaiting list 30th September 1962Waiting list as a percentage of total number of subscribers
Aberdeen830·1
Bedford9931·8
Belfast6020·7
Birmingham5,0123·3
Blackburn9121·4
Bournemouth1660·2
Bradford2160·2
Brighton8690·7
Bristol7410·7
Cambridge8651·4
Canterbury9291·2
Cardiff9141·1
Chester5731·0
Colchester2850·6
Coventry2,2633·4
Dundee380·1
Edinburgh880·1
Exeter140·02
Glasgow4650·3
Gloucester3470·7
Guildford2,5443·9
Lancaster3620·8
Leeds8070·9
Leicester4580·6
Lincoln1,1192·1
Liverpool8450·5
London—
CentreNilNil
CityNilNil
East4390·3
North940·05
North WestNilNil
South EastNilNil
South West6500·2
West1,9190·9
Manchester4,3002·0
Middlesbrough3840·7
Newcastle-on-Tyne1,0841·0
Norwich1960·5
Nottingham2310·2
Oxford2,0723·4
Peterborough1350·3
Plymouth360·1
Portsmouth1,2702·1
Preston8891·1
Reading3,2904·2
Scotland West1,0901·1
Sheffield8091·0
Shrewsbury2520·5
Southampton4820·9

Telephone AreaWaiting list 30th September 1962Waiting list as a percentage of total number of subscribers
Southend-on-Sea1,4232·3
Stoke-on-Trent820·2
Swansea390·1
Taunton30·01
Tunbridge Wells2880·4
West Midland2,4312·8
York5381·0

asked the Postmaster-General what was the size of the order list for telephones in each telephone area at 31st March, 1962, and 30th September, 1962.

At the respective dates, the number of applications, most of which were in course of provision or under inquiry, were as follows:

Order list
Telephone Area31st March, 196230th September, 1962
Aberdeen917899
Bedford2,6482,868
Belfast2,5952,411
Birmingham8,1648,307
Blackburn2,0952,180
Bournemouth1,3421,446
Bradford1,7821,508
Brighton3,0523,267
Bristol1,9562,495
Cambridge2,3632,623
Canterbury2,2552,714
Cardiff3 3643,233
ChesterL5711,562
Colchester1,2531,494
Coventry4,4964,524
Dundee409402
Edinburgh933956
Exeter1,002921
Glasgow3,3653,070
Gloucester1,1051,250
Guildford2,9563,792
Lancaster1,3651,298
Leeds2,7132,725
Leicester1,4641,636
Lincoln2,0592,260
Liverpool3,5603,369
London:
Centre4,3314,069
City4,0043,019
East2,5442,516
North3,3383,851
North West2,2452,917
South East2,7692,448
South West4,7324,232
West8,0897,454
Manchester8,9689,137
Middlesbrough1,5421,501
Newcastle-on-Tyne3,6873,583

Order list
Telephone Area31st March, 196230th September, 1962
Norwich930929
Nottingham1,1481,342
Oxford3,6333,790
Peterborough887855
Plymouth714734
Portsmouth2,5202,678
Preston3,2373,079
Reading5,5015,759
Scotland West2,8282,803
Sheffield2,7222,686
Shrewsbury1,1541,217
Southampton1,3141,519
Southend-on-Sea3,2463,596
Stoke-on-Trent935957
Swansea901833
Taunton644745
Tunbridge Wells1,5291,463
West Midland5,0335,162
York1,3301,624

Installation Cost

asked the Postmaster-General to state the average cost to the Post Office of the installation of a new telephone and the average cost charged to the subscriber.

The average labour cost of connecting a new subscriber to the local network is about £13. The maximum installation charge to the subscriber is £10, and this is reduced where use can be made of some existing wiring.The average total cost, as distinct from the labour cost of installation, is over £110. The rental of £12 to £16 a year, according to the type of service, covers the cost of the instrument, the subscriber's circuit to the exchange and the equipment in the exchange set aside for his personal use.

Trunk Calls (Cheap Rate Concession)

10.

asked the Postmaster-General why the evening cheap rate concession for trunk calls was withdrawn on 1st January, 1963.

It is designed to reduce the need for Post Office staff to attend for duty on New Year's Day. This arrangement, which applies also to certain periods at Christmas, has been in operation for twelve years.

asked the Postmaster-General what steps he took to inform the public that it was his intention to withdraw the evening cheap rate concession for trunk calls on 1st January, 1963.

These arrangements were notified to the Press before Christmas in accordance with usual practice. There is also a standing reference in telephone directories to the likelihood of the cheap rates being suspended at Christmas and the New Year. Operators have instructions to ensure that anyone making a call is aware that full rates are in force.

Post Office

Contracts, North-East Region

asked the Postmaster-General to state the number of Post Office contracts and the sums involved which have been placed in the North-East Region in the years, 1960, 1961 and 1962.

Some 250 a year, of an estimated value rising from £2·4 million to £2·8 million.

Didcot

asked the Postmaster-General whether he is aware of the need for an early improvement in Didcot Post Office; and whether he will reconsider his decision, in view of past assurances, not to start work before June, 1964.

I recognise that there is a need to improve facilities at Didcot Post Office, and I am sorry that the timetable previously quoted for the scheme has had to be put back. I have reviewed the position, but would not be justified in changing the new time-table, as explained to my hon. Friend last July. I will keep the position under special review, and if it proves possible to speed up the time-table, I will certainly do so.

Wireless And Television

Cigarette Advertising

asked the Postmaster-General to make a statement on his discussions with the Independent Television Authority on the control of cigarette advertising; and why he has not so far banned it.

On the first part of the Question I have nothing to add to the reply that I gave the hon. Member on 9th November last. On the second part, I see no reason to single out the television medium for such a purpose.

Housing

Fireplaces (Fireguard Fixing Points)

25.

asked the Minister of Housing and Local Government and Minister for Welsh Affairs what advice is given to local authorities and new town development corporations on the fitting of attachments for fireguards to fireplaces in new homes and flats.

My right hon. Friend has advised local authorities and new town development corporations to provide every open fireplace with fixing points for a fireguard, in accordance with the appropriate British Standard Specification.

28.

asked the Minister of Housing and Local Government and Minister for Welsh Affairs how many new town development corporations fix attachments for fireguards to fireplaces in new housing developments.

Five. My right hon. Friend has very recently reminded the remainder and the Commission for the New Towns of the need to fix such attachments in new housing.

Protection Of Tenants

asked the Minister of Housing and Local Government and Minister for Welsh Affairs if he will introduce legislation further to protect tenants against the hardship involved when such people are evicted by landlords who wish to sell their property.

A return to control would make it increasingly difficult for anyone to find a house to rent since it would encourage landlords to sell their houses as soon as they became vacant. The only way to meet housing needs is to build enough houses. I am encouraging local authorities with severe shortages to build more.

Local Government

Pembrokeshire Water Board

32.

asked the Minister of Housing and Local Government and Minister for Welsh Affairs what decision he has reached following his inquiry into the Pembrokeshire Water Board's scheme for the supply of water to the Regent Company's oil refinery at Pwllcrochan, Pembrokeshire.

An order was made on 14th January, 1963, enabling the Pembrokeshire Water Board to abstract up to 6 million gallons per day from the river Eastern Cleddau. The Order came into effect on 17th January.

Local Government Act, 1958

8.

asked the Minister of Housing and Local Government and Minister for Welsh Affairs in how many cases since the passing of the Local Government Act, 1958, he has disallowed excess expenditure under Section 6; and for what classes of expenditure have the disallowances been made.

None so far. Grant calculated on provisional figures is paid without disallowance. Only when audited figures are available can any excess expenditure be finally assessed and a decision taken under Section 6 about the payment of grant in respect of it. That time is now approaching for the year 1959–60 and my right hon. Friend is considering in the light of representations from local authorities affected whether there are special circumstances in which grant ought to be paid on some or all of their excess expenditure. In the great majority of oases it seems probable that grant will be warranted.Meanwhile provisional figures for 1960–61 and 1961–62 have been notified to those authorities who on present information appear to have incurred excess expenditure so that they may have some indication of the size of the excess. Expenditure estimates for 1962–63 are not yet sufficiently reliable in general to justify the making of a first estimate of excess expenditure for that year.

Trade And Commerce

Pontardawe And Llwchwr

37 and 38.

asked the President of the Board of Trade (1) what are the prospects of new industries being established in the Pontardawe and Llwchwr districts;(2) if he will restore the Pontardawe district to the full provisions of the Local Employment Act, 1960, on account of the increase in unemployment; and if he will further consider the establishment of an advance factory there.

My right hon. Friend is aware that there has been some increase of unemployment in the Pontardawe/Ystalyfera group of Employment Exchange areas. He believes however that, as a result of the Government's measures to stimulate total demand within the economy, South Wales, including Pontardawe and Llwchwr, has good prospects of acquiring new industry. In these circumstances he does not consider that he would be justified in restoring to Pontardawe the facilities of the Local Employment Act. For the same reason he would not consider this area appropriate for an advance factory.

Donibristle

42.

asked the President of the Board of Trade if he will make a statement on the future of the Donibristle site in Fife; and whether there is any immediate prospect of attracting some major industrial project to the site.

The conversion of the main building at Donibristle into an advance factory should be completed by the middle of this year. There is no immediate prospect of a major industrial development on the site, but we have

NUMBER AND AREA (SQUARE FOOTAGE) OF INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT CERTIFICATES ISSUED IN 1962 STANDARD REGIONS: MONTHLY
Area: Thousand square feet
Standard Region1962
JanuaryFebruaryMarchApril
No. of SchemesAreaNo. of SchemesAreaNo. of SchemesAreaNo. of SchemesArea
Northern10357132989138381
East and West Ridings1116118334107814138
North Midland11202151372034014235
Eastern1720382191969321374
London and South Eastern35627304552352431584
Southern14288101501745615584
South Western11306112141227910211
Wales1023758814421456
Midland20246246472035420354
North Western1222822442143061194
Scotland4157837083498194

received promising inquiries about some of the smaller buildings. Survey work on the estate is going forward.

Industrial Development Certificates

41.

asked the President of the Board of Trade how many jobs are estimated to have arisen from the granting of industrial development certificates in the northern region in each of the last five years.

The employment estimated by the firms concerned as likely to arise from industrial development certificates issued for the Northern region in each of the past five years was, to the nearest thousand:

YearEmployment Estimate
19584,000
19593,000
19608,000
196112,000
19628,000

asked the President of the Board of Trade to state for each month of 1962 the number of certificates granted for factory construction in each region of the country and the amount of factory space to be constructed in each case.

The figures are as follows:

Standard Region1962
MayJuneJulyAugust
No. of SchemesAreaNo. of SchemesAreaNo. of SchemesAreaNo. of SchemesArea
Northern101999437540579
East and West Ridings14209151802335013280
North Midland15271101361519815140
Eastern3775011177910815255
London and South Eastern33595233764064625463
Southern1624591441127614217
South Western101161120713295651
Wales811942555112343
Midland13195243291925321452
North Western31622184352259318349
Scotland927013596153955140
Standard Region1962
SeptemberOctoberNovemberDecember
No. of SchemesAreaNo. of SchemesAreaNo. of SchemesAreaNo. of SchemesArea
Northern83551256272025121
East and West Ridings45213179172236107
North Midland737571041826614134
Eastern14626155412618146470
London and South Eastern11290253063449528393
Southern4687921421412254
South Western81241120792005145
Wales6200518962187157
Midland11331242552323614116
North Western27346253292436912286
Scotland12297112001123917519

Sunderland

43.

asked the President of the Board of Trade whether he will make a further statement regarding the building of an advance factory in Sunderland.

Negotiations for a site in North Hylton Road are now in progress with the Sunderland Corporation. Detailed planning is going forward and the factory should be completed before the end of the year.

Consumer Council

45.

asked the President of the Board of Trade when he expects to appoint a Consumer Council as recommended by the Molony Committee.

As my right hon. Friend said in reply to the hon. Members for Morpeth (Mr. Owen) and Sheffield, Hillsborough (Mr. Darling) on 20th December, he is pressing on with this matter as rapidly as possible. He hopes that the Council will be in existence by the spring or early summer at the latest.

Bideford And Torrington

46.

asked the President of the Board of Trade if, in view of the level of unemployment in the Bideford and Torrington Employment Exchange area and in view of the likelihood of increased unemployment, owing to factors of which he is aware, he will now schedule this employment exchange as a Development District under the Local Employment Act, 1960.

As he told my hon. Friend in a letter sent to him on 21st January, my right hon. Friend is at present considering this matter.

Cavendish Laboratory, Cambridge (Grants)

47.

asked the Parliamentary Secretary for Science what study he has made of the speech by Professor A. B. Pippard, F.R.S., about the special needs of the Cavendish Laboratory in Cambridge, a copy of which has been sent to him by the hon. Member for West Lothian; and if he will make available additional help, financial and otherwise, for the development of research in experimental physics at the Cavendish Laboratory, in view of its importance to the entire scientific effort of the United Kingdom.

My noble Friend and I have read with interest the speech by Professor Pippard to which the hon. Member refers. Government support for universities is chiefly channelled through the University Grants Committee. I am informed that the university intends to redevelop the New Museums site, on which the laboratory is situated, but that it has not yet put forward firm proposals. In order to assist research at the Cavendish Laboratory, the Department of Scientific and Industrial Research has made grants totalling £918,000 since 1956, and remains willing to consider suitable applications for further grants in the future.

Kenya (Northern Frontier District)

48.

asked the Secretary of State for the Colonies if he will make a statement about the political future of the Northern Frontier District of Kenya, in view of the report of the Commission, Command Paper No. 1900.

I am at present considering this matter in consultation with the Governor of Kenya.

Malta

Dockyard

49.

asked the Secretary of State for the Colonies whether he will make a statement about the inquiry on Messrs. Bailey of Malta Limited, and on the future of the Malta Dockyard.

51.

asked the Secretary of State for the Colonies, what steps he is taking to ensure that a share of expenditure on the development of Polaris and of bases for the submarines shall go to the Malta dockyard.

I am not sure what my hon. Friend has in mind in referring to the development of Polaris. As regards the building of submarines, the facilities and experience required are not available in the Malta dockyard, which is essentially equipped for ship repairs.

Constitutional Conference

asked the Secretary of State for the Colonies, what is the scope and objective of the proposed Constitutional Conference on Malta; and what will be the representation of political parties at the conference.

The aim of the proposed conference will be to discuss the request for independence made last August by the Prime Minister of Malta. All parties represented in the Legislature will be invited to attend.

Bahamas (Minister's Visit)

52.

asked the Secretary of State for the Colonies, if he will make a statement on his visit to the Bahamas.

During my visit to the Bahamas I had talks with representatives of the United Bahamian Party, the Progressive Liberal Party and the Legislative Council. As a result, I have invited representatives of the Bahamian Legislature to come to London for a conference to discuss the constitutional changes that should be made in order to enable the Bahamian people to exercise a wider measure of responsibility for the Government of the country. The conference will be held during the first half of this year. In the meantime, the political parties will prepare their detailed proposals for discussion at the conference.

West Indies (Minister's Visit)

53.

asked the Secretary of State for the Colonies if he will make a statement on his visit to the West Indian colonies.

During my tour of the West Indies I visited Antigua, Montserrat, Dominica, Barbados and Grenada, and in each island 1 had talks with the Administrators and with representatives of Government and Opposition groups.In Grenada, the Chief Minister gave me an account of the recent discussions his Government had had with the Government of Trinidad and Tobago concerning a possible union between the two countries.While in Barbados I had a joint meeting with the Premier of Barbados and the Chief Ministers of Antigua, Dominica, Montserrat, St. Kitts-Nevis-Anguilla, St. Lucia and St. Vincent to discuss the future relationship between these Islands, after which a joint statement was issued, which was as follows:

The Secretary of State for the Colonies, Mr. Duncan Sandys, held a meeting in Barbados with Ministers of the territories concerned on 28th and 29th December to consider the next steps to be taken to implement the agreed conclusions of the London Conference of May, 1962, regarding the establishment of a "West Indies Federation".
In view of the current discussions between the Government of Grenada and the Government of Trinidad and Tobago regarding a possible union between the two countries, the Government of Grenada was not represented at the meeting. The Secretary of State explained that when the Government of Grenada had sought his permission to examine this matter with the Government of Trinidad and Tobago he had replied that he would not wish to raise any objection, on the understanding that these initial discussions would be purely exploratory and without commitment either to the British Government or the Government of Grenada.
The Ministers of the seven other territories re-affirmed their conviction that federation offers the best prospect for the economic and political progress of their territories. They emphasised that the uncertainty about Grenada's attitude did not in any way affect the determination of their governments to proceed with this plan; and they welcomed the assurance by Mr. Sandys of the British Government's continued readiness to support this project, irrespective of whether Grenada decided to participate.
It was noted that the legislatures of Montserrat, St. Kitts-Nevis-Anguilla and St. Vincent had already passed resolutions expressing general approval of the recommendations of the London Conference, as set out in the White Paper (No. 1746). The Ministers of Antigua, Barbados, Dominica and St. Lucia stated that it was their intention likewise to seek decisions from their legislatures during the course of January.
It was also noted that the expert inquiries on fiscal matters, civil service organization, economic development and the proposed customs union, which had been set in train at the London Conference, were well advanced and that reports were expected within the next three months.
In the light of this, it was decided to aim at convening a conference in London next June to reach final decisions about the form of the Federation.
In order to facilitate the work of the Conference, it was agreed that, after the reports of the inquiries had been received, a British Minister would come to Barbados to hold preparatory discussions with the Ministers of the territories concerned.

Public Building And Works

Government Building, Broad Sanctuary

54.

asked the Minister of Public Building and Works when work is to start on the new Government building in Broad Sanctuary; and whether it is to be faced with stone of a quality fitting to its surroundings.

The work is expected to start next year. I have agreed the architect's proposals for the use of Portland stone. The Royal Fine Art Commission has also expressed approval.

Transport

Mudflaps

55.

asked the Minister of Transport if he will take steps to amend the Road Traffic Act 1962, so as to make it compulsory for mudflaps to be fixed behind the rear wheels of all motor vehicles.

Regulations made under the Road Traffic Act, 1960, already require most motor vehicles to have wings or other similar fittings to catch so far as practicable mud or water thrown up by the wheels. Many vehicles are fitted with mudflaps as well but the number of different types of vehicles and the many uses made of them make it impracticable to require them to be fitted in all cases. I am, however, considering whether there is any way in which the present requirement can be improved.

Roads

Newcastle-Under-Lyme

asked the Minister of Transport if he will state the yearly expenditure on roads in Newcastle-under-Lyme in each of the last five years.

The amounts spent on trunk and classified roads in Newcastle-under-Lyme during the last five years are:—

£
1958–59120,542
1959–60179,257
1960–61177,010
1961–62123,180
1962–63 (April-Dec. only)225,600 (est.)
These figures are of total expenditure including that proportion of the cost of classified road works which falls to be borne by the local highway authority.

Ministry Of Health

Drugs

56.

asked the Minister of Health what action he is taking in respect of contracts entered into under Section 46 of the Patents Act, 1949 for the supply of certain drugs for the hospital service, following the judgment of Mr. Justice Lloyd-Jacob in the case of Pfizer Corporation of New York versus the Ministry of Health.

Diabetics (Palmer Injection Gun)

asked the Minister of Health what would be the additional cost to the National Health Service if all diabetic persons were allowed, on recommendation by the family doctor, to have a Palmer Injection Gun.

Homes (Elderly Persons)

asked the Minister of Health how many homes for elderly people there are in England and Wales which charge the inmates between £5 and £7 a week for accommodation and living needs including food, heat and light; where these homes are; and which are controlled by public authorities and which by voluntary bodies.

Hospitals

Beds, Sheffield

asked the Minister of Health how many beds, other than the normal number of beds which are kept available for emergency cases, were not in use in the Sheffield Regional Hospital Board's area for the years 1958, 1959, 1960, 1961, and at the latest available date in 1962; what the average length of time was each year; and why such beds were not in use.

asked the Minister of Health to give the number of hospital beds covered by the Sheffield Regional Hospital Board for the years 1958, 1959, 1960, 1961, and for the latest date in 1962.

The average numbers of occupied beds in the Board's hospitals were as follows:

195830,096
195929,985
196029,703
196129,217
1962 (to 30.9.62)29,330

Regional Board, Sheffield

asked the Minister of Health (1) what was the financial grant to the Sheffield Regional Hospital Board for the years 1958, 1959, 1960, 1961, and 1962 and what is the proposed figure for 1963;(2) to give the total amount of wages and salaries paid out by the Sheffield Regional Hospital Board for the years 1958, 1959, 1960, 1961, and the estimated amount for 1962;

(3) how much was spent by the Sheffield Regional Hospital Board on food, fuel and lighting, respectively, for the years 1958. 1959, 1960, and 1961;

Revised AllocationExpenditure on
Financial YearSalaries and WagesFoodGeneral Services
££££
1958–5923,782,40015,717,8272,811,7512,035,414
1959–6025,855,10017,184,4512,780,4752,035,743
1960–6127,641,50019,094,0252,774,4212,178,735
1961–6230,246,90019,976,5602,838,3822,336,650
1962–6331,073,00020,879,0002,856,0002,302,000

Notes

1. The allocation for 1962–63 is the initial allocation and will be increased to take account of increases in wages and salaries. The proposed initial allocation for 1963–64 is £31,908,000.

2. Expenditure for 1962–63 is estimated.

3. "General services" covers power, light, heating, water, cleaning and laundry. Information is not separately available for fuel and lighting.

Waiting Lists, Sheffield

42 and 43.

asked the Minister of Health (1) to give the number of persons, excluding children, who were awaiting hospital treatment in the Sheffield Regional Hospital Board's area in the years 1958, 1959, 1960, 1961, and at the latest available date in 1962;(2) how many children were awaiting hospital treatment in the Sheffield Regional Hospital Board's area for the years 1958, 1959, 1960, 1961, and at the latest available date in 1962.

The figures for the area, including the teaching hospital, are:

DateAdultsChildren
31st December, 195839,63011,423
31st December, 195938,63310,738
31st December, 196039,73111,008
31st December, 196139,46911,926
30th September, 196237,67211,824

Staff, Sheffield

asked the Minister of Health to give the number of consultants, doctors, and members of the nursing staff employed by the Sheffield Regional Hospital Board for the years 1958, 1959, 1960, 1961, and for the latest date in 1962.

and what is the estimated figure for 1962.

Figures for all the years in question can only be given on the following basis:

Registrar and aboveOther Medical StaffNursing and Midwifery Staff
195862728311,787
195963029812,340
196066031712,623
196167033713,059
196268935714,111
(Figures represent whole-time equivalents as at 30th September).

Rush Green Hospital (Food)

asked the Minister of Health whether he will take steps to improve the quality of food supplied to nurses and patients of Rush Green Hospital.

I have no reason to think that any action on the part of my right hon. Friend is called for.

Scotland

Road Programme

58.

asked the Secretary of State for Scotland to what extent the cost of the Forth Road Bridge has caused a reduction in the allocation of funds for other roads in Scotland; what annual revenue he now estimates will be raised by the toils to be charged on this bridge; and if Her Majesty's Government will devote the money so raised to the construction of those roads in Scotland on which work has been delayed because of the priority given to expenditure on the building of the bridge.

While expenditure on the Forth Road Bridge was taken into account in drawing up the Government's road programme of which it is part, it is impossible to speculate on the progress which would have taken place elsewhere if there had been no bridge.I have as yet no information as to the revenue the Joint Board will seek to secure by the tolls which are, of course, subject to the approval of my right hon. Friend; but the level of expenditure on roads in Scotland will be determined by the proportion of the national resources which the Government consider can be devoted to this purpose.

Unemployment, North-East (Lord President Of The Council)

Q19.

asked the Prime Minister, why he has appointed the Lord President of the Council to deal with the question of unemployment in the North.

Q22.

asked the Prime Minister, if the new duties of the Lord President of the Council for unemployment include responsibilities for West Cumberland.

As was announced on 9th January, my noble Friend the Lord President of the Council has accepted my invitation to undertake special responsibilities in relation to the present problems of the North-East of England, that is to say, the counties of Northumberland and. Durham and the North Riding of Yorkshire. He has already made a preliminary visit to the North-East and will be making a more extended tour at the beginning of February. He will advise my colleagues and me on the measures necessary to deal with these problems and will be responsible for ensuring that action authorised by the Government is carried out as quickly and effectively as possible.

Vice-President Of Tanganyika And Prime Minister Of Uganda (Visit)

Q20.

asked the Prime Minister what date has been arranged for the official visit to Great Britain of the Prime Ministers of Tanganyika and Uganda.

The Vice-President of Tanganyika and the Prime Minister of Uganda have just arrived in London. They will be having talks with me and other members of the Government on matters relating to regional co-operation in East Africa and other general questions of common concern.

Royal Navy

Ships (Disposal)

asked the Civil Lord of the Admiralty if he will list the number of ships by classes which have been disposed of by the Royal Navy since the end of the war with Japan.

The number of ships by classes which have been disposed of by the Royal Navy between the 31st March, 1946, and the 31st December, 1962, are:

Battleships15
Battle Cruisers1
Monitors2
Aircraft Carriers and Escort Carriers28
Cruisers48
Anti-Aircraft Ships3
Fighter Direction Ships2
Destroyers187
Submarines102
(includes one sunk)
Sloops39
Frigates100
Corvettes145
Submarine Escort and Target Vessels8
Surveying Ships3
Minelayers and Minelaying Lighters10
Mine Destructor Ships3
Minesweepers169
Motor Minesweepers222
Minesweeping Attendant Craft1
Minesweeping Trawlers36
Anti-Submarine Trawlers28
Trawlers—anti-submarine and minesweeping124
Destroyer Depot Ships4
Submarine Depot Ships4
Repair Ships15
Maintenance Ships12
Total1,311

The figures exclude Lease-Lend ships returned to the U.S.A. They comprise of all ships in these classes handed over by the Royal Navy for sale or scrapping.

In addition, a considerable number of coastal forces craft were disposed of. Details of these are not readily available.

Agriculture, Fisheries And Food

White Fish Authority (Proposed Increased Levy)

asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food to receive a deputation from the Fish Merchants' Association before he makes his decision on the proposed increased levy from the White Fish Authority.

All the objectors to the proposals have been offered the opportunity to present their objections orally, if they wish, at meetings with officials of my Department. The Federation of British Port Wholesale Fish Merchants' Associations have already taken advantage of the offer.

Ministry Of Aviation

Tsr2

asked the Minister of Aviation what progress is being made in the development of the T.S.R.2; and when he expects it will be ready for operational service.

I do not think that periodic reports on military projects of this kind serve any useful purpose.

asked the Minister of Aviation whether the Vulcan test bed accident has resulted in delaying the development of the T.S.R.2.

It is too early to judge the full consequences, but we still hope the first prototype will fly this year.

asked the Minister of Aviation if the T.S.R.2 design is being altered to allow the aircraft to carry a Blue Steel type missile.

It would not be in the public interest to disclose what weapons we propose to put into the T.S.R.2.

Blue Streak (Development)

asked the Minister of Aviation to what extent he has succeeded in gaining the interests of European Powers in the joint development of Blue Streak as a first stage rocket for space satellite launching purposes.

The Convention for the establishment of the European Launcher Development Organisation has been signed by Belgium, France, the Federal Republic of Germany, Italy and the Netherlands in addition to the United Kingdom and Australia. This organisation is developing a satellite launcher based on Blue Sreak as the first-stage.Pending the entry into force of the Convention a Preparatory Group has 'been established and work is going ahead in member countries.

Vulcan Aircraft (Skybolt Missile)

asked the Minister of Aviation (1) to what extent platforms have been made, and at what cost, to fit beneath V bombers that were destined to carry the Skybolt missile;(2) to what extent the fuselage of the Vulcan bombers now in production has been jigged to take Skybolt missiles; to what extent this will now affect production; and at what cost.

It is impracticable for me to give individual answers on the many inter-related changes which were necessary to equip Vulcan aircraft to carry the Skybolt missile. I can, however, say that about one-third of the work had been completed at the time of cancellation. Production of the aircraft will not be affected.Deliveries to the Royal Air Force should not be delayed. The cost has still to be negotiated with the contractors concerned.

Pandora Missile

asked the Minister of Aviation to what extent work has been carried out on the development of the Pandora missile by the aircraft industry; and whether assistance has been given to the industry by Her Majesty's Government to produce this missile.

Feasibility study contracts covering missiles of this kind were placed by my Department in 1961, but there has been no development.

Employment

Labour Permits

asked the Minister of Labour how many work permits have been issued to aliens during 1961 and the first nine months of 1962; what trades or professions were covered by these permits; and what steps are being taken to ensure that there is no English person available in these trades before such permits are issued.

The total number of labour permits issued in 1961 was 51,775 and in the first nine months of 1962 40,021.The following Table analyses these by occupational groups:

Permits issued in
19611962 (Jan.-Sept.)
Resident domestic service in private households, hospitals, nursing homes, schools and other institutions.19,18613,342
Concert, stage, film and variety artists, musicians and other entertainers.4,5014,117
Film technicians4415
Industry and commerce8,8235,670
Hotels and restaurants:
Domestic workers2,6782,898
Others5,9826,307
Teachers (mainly of foreign languages).1,784404
(see note below)
Nurses2,4721,850
Student employees:—
Industry and commerce5,7495,043
Hotels and restaurants516330
Others4045
NOTE: In 1962 a scheme was introduced under which teachers holding a certificate of appointment issued by the appropriate Education Department were admitted without labour permits.Except in the case of resident domestic service and student employees (who must be supernumerary to the employer's normal establishment) my local officers are asked to confirm that suitable British (or long resident foreign) labour is not available before a permit is issued.

Katanga (Refugees)

asked the First Secretary of State how many refugees have entered Northern Rhodesia as a result of the United Nations operation in Katanga; and what arrangements have been made for their relief.

I have been asked to reply.No accurate estimate can be given of the total number of refugees who entered Northern Rhodesia. Up to 5,000 crossed the border after the entry of the United Nations into Kipushi. Following the occupation of Elizabethville, approximately 10,000 refugees gathered at the border in several places, but most of these did not proceed into Northern Rhodesia. A further 700 crossed the border when the United Nations approached Mokambo. The Northern Rhodesian Government have appointed a Refugee Commissioner to deal with this problem and to assume overall charge of arrangements for accommodating and feeding refugees.

Pensions And National Insurance

Sickness Benefit (Personal Case)

asked the Minister of Pensions and National Insurance whether he is aware that Mr. P. Clayton Gompertz, of Laindon, after paying full national insurance contribution's for 39 years, has been disallowed five days' sickness benefit by reason of the interruption of his insurable employment by 12 weeks' uninsurable employment in 1946–47; what effect this interruption will have upon Mr. Gompertz's future insurance rights and, in particular, upon his claim to full retirement pension; and what steps he can take to restore his entitlement to full rights.

I am aware of the circumstances in which the claim for sickness benefit made in 1961 was disallowed. The fact is that the gap in Mr. Gompertz's contribution's under the superseded Acts was one of nearly three years and not twelve weeks, and his insurance under those Acts came to an end in June 1947. Mr. Gompertz therefore entered insurance for national insurance purposes on 5th July, 1948, as one of the group of late-age entrants, to whom special terms were applied. Consequently he has had to be treated as having retired in 1958. Thereafter he became a pensioner and was no longer liable to pay national insurance contributions or entitled to sickness benefit. As with other men retirement pensioners under 70, his pension is subject to adjustment for earnings until his 70th birthday next May. He will then receive it in full and without this condition.

DISBURSEMENTS OF BILATERAL ECONOMIC AND TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE FROM UNITED KINGDOM GOVERNMENT FUNDS
£ million
1958–591959–601960–611961–62
(provisional)
Commonwealth countries (including colonial territories)
Loans32·450·866·670·6
Grants38·840·843·548·7
Technical assistance3·55·77·320·8
Total74·797·3117·4140·1
Other countries
Loans5·05·03·83·4
Grants5·77·28·610·3
Technical assistance0·60·91·01·3
Total11·313·113·415·0
Grand total86·0110·4130·8155·1
Of this bilateral assistance, loans made to independent countries (both Commonwealth and foreign) under Section 3 of the Export Guarantees Acts, 1949–62 are formally tied to the purchase of United Kingdom goods and services. Disbursements under these loans in the years concerned accounted for the following proportion of bilateral assistance (the amount of the disbursements is shown in brackets.)

  • 1958–59–25 per cent. (£21.7 m.)
  • 1959–60–35 per cent. (£38.3 m.)
  • 1960–61–29 per cent. (£37.3 m.)
  • 1961–62–21 per cent. (£32.2 m.)

Where possible, we seek to ensure that other bilateral aid we provide is spent here, but much of it is used to finance local expenditure in the territories concerned.

National Finance

Overseas Aid

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer what was the annual amount of aid given in the years 1958–62, inclusive, to all countries within the Commonwealth and to other countries, respectively; and what proportions were given as loans and grants of money, and in the forms of goods and services, respectively.

The figures are as follows:ensure that, wherever possible, aid to under-developed countries takes the form of capital goods and of services, in order that such aid should also play a part in the economy of the United Kingdom by creating employment and assisting exports.

Most loans to independent countries must be used to make purchases in this country, and other assistance is tied in appropriate cases. Moreover, as my right hon. Friend said in the House on 17th December, 1962, we are now looking for possibilities of linking additional overseas aid to purchases of goods for which we have spare production capacity.

European Economic Community

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer what calculation he has made of the extra cost to Great Britain of the application of a common customs tariff on goods imported into Great Britain from the Commonwealth.

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer what estimate he has made of the extent to which, in the event of the United Kingdom accepting the Treaty of Rome, the application of Article 221 three years after Great Britain's entry will affect British subjects in the Commonwealth who wish to participate in British firms and companies.

Under the current exchange controls residents of the Commonwealth may invest freely in United Kingdom firms and companies and, with the exception of residents of Canada, may also freely repatriate their investments. The application of Article 221 will not affect this situation.

asked the Lord Privy Seal what estimate he has made of the effect of Great Britain's entry into the Common Market on British friendly societies.

I have been asked to reply.There is no reason to suppose there would be any immediate effect.

Government Departments (Advertising Expenditure)

asked the Secretary to the Treasury what was the expenditure on advertising for each respective Government Department calculated in pounds sterling and in column inches in the London and provincial evening papers during the present financial year to the latest convenient date.

Further to the Written Answer I gave the hon. Member on 21st December [OFFICIAL REPORT, Vol. 669, c. 263], expenditure by Government Departments on display advertising in the London and provincial evening papers, up to and including 31st December, 1962, is detailed below. As regards semi-display and classified advertising, I would ask the hon. Member to await the Answer which I shall give to the hon. Member for Rossendale (Mr. Greenwood) on 25th January.

DepartmentColumn inches£
Central Office of Information on behalf of:—
Admiralty8851,853
Air Ministry1,2072,064
Ministry of Health1,2122,466
Home Office2602,498
Ministry of Housing and Local Government65371
Scottish Office6671,840
War Office9922,063
Ministry of Public Building and Works288149
National Savings Committee14,05829,636
Scottish Savings Committee1,5673,269
21,20046,209
NOTES:1. The figures include departmental production costs.2. Post Office expenditure is excluded.

asked the Secretary to the Treasury what was the expenditure of each Government Department on advertising on hoardings during the present financial year to the nearest convenient date.

Further to the Written Answer I gave the hon. Member on 21st December [OFFICIAL REPORT, Vol. 669, c. 262], expenditure by Government Departments on advertising on hoardings, up to and including 31st December, 1962 was as follows:

£
National Savings Committee14,630
Scottish Savings Committee2,296
Central Office of Information and Stationery Office expenditure on behalf of the Ministry of Housing and Local Government706
Total17,632
NOTE:—These figures include departmental production costs.

European Economic Community

Council Of Ministers (Voting Power)

asked the Lord Privy Seal (1) what voting power in the Council of Ministers for Great Britain he has requested in the negotiations with the Six;(2) what is his policy regarding the minimum voting power for Great Britain in the European Economic Community Council of Ministers; and to what extent he has established such a minimum voting power as a condition for Great Britain's entry in the negotiations with the Six;(3) what the membership in the European Economic Community Parliament will be in the event of Norway, Denmark, Eire and Great Britain being admitted to the Community; how many delegates there will be from each of these countries if admitted; and what is the policy of Her Majesty's Government regarding the number of delegates from Great Britain that should be permitted in the event of Great Britain's accession to the Treaty of Rome;(4) if, in the negotiations for Great Britain's entry into the Common Market, he will insist that Great Britain shall have four votes and Norway, Denmark and Eire two each in the Council of Ministers when resolutions are required to be reached by qualified majority, and that not less than 20 votes shall be required for the adoption of resolutions.

So far as the United Kingdom is concerned, it has been agreed that our vote in the Council of Ministers would have the same weighting as that of other member countries of comparable size, and that the scale of British participation either governmental, parliamentary or individual, as the case may be, in the other institutions of the Community should be of the same order as that of other member countries of comparable size. The precise institutional arrangements for an enlarged Community including Norway, Denmark and the Irish Republic as well as the United Kingdom will be for negotiation between the Six and all the prospective new members.

Commission (Accountability)

asked the Lord Privy Seal if, in the course of the negotiations in Brussels, he has made proposals to the Six to improve the accountability of the Commission both to the Council of Ministers and to the European Parliament; and if he is satisfied that the present position of the Commission in this respect is acceptable to Her Majesty's Government.

This matter is not being raised in the negotiations. The relationship between the Council of Ministers, the Commission and the Assembly will no doubt evolve with the passage of time and, if we joined the Community, we should play our full part in that process.

Parliament (Sovereign Rights)

asked the Lord Privy Seal if he has made it a condition of Great Britain's entry into the European Economic Community that the British Parliament retains the sovereign right to legislate for the United Kingdom until such time as a properly constituted European Parliament is established on a democratic basis to which the sovereign powers of Parliament are transferred with a general agreement of the nation.

No. The Treaty of Rome deals with certain specific matters and if we accede to it we shall comply fully with its provisions in respect of these matters. We have accepted the institutions of the Community and the powers which they enjoy under the Treaty. The Treaty itself requires the Assembly to draw up proposals for elections by direct universal suffrage, but this is not a matter for the current negotiations.

British Contribution

asked the Lord Privy Seal (1) what financial contribution he has proposed for Great Britain under Article 200, paragraph 1, of the Treaty of Rome;(2) what scale of contribution he has proposed for Great Britain under Article 200, paragraph 2, of the Treaty of Rome.

It has been agreed that our contribution under Article 200 (1) of the Treaty would be the same as that of France, Germany and Italy and that under Article 200 (2) the same as that of France and Germany.

National Health Service (Continuation)

asked the Lord Privy Seal what efforts he has made, or intends to make, during the course of the negotiations in Brussels, to ensure the continuation of the National Health Service in Great Britain in the context of a European social security system.

The National Health Service is not incompatible with the Treaty of Rome and this question has, therefore, not arisen in the negotiations.

Bananas

asked the Lord Privy Seal if, in the negotiations in Brussels, he has accepted the common customs tariff of 20 per cent. on fresh bananas; and what estimate he has made of the effect of this duty on imports into Great Britain of bananas from Commonwealth countries not wishing to be associated states.

In view of the importance of the United Kingdom as a market for bananas from Commonwealth countries which are likely to become associated with the European Economic Community, the common external tariff of 20 per cent. is acceptable to us.As I informed the House in my report of the ministerial meeting of 15th to 17th of November (Cmnd. 1882), it has been agreed that the common external tariff should be very gradually applied to all exports to the United Kingdom from Commonwealth countries which decide not to become associated. This would apply

inter alia to bananas.

Only one Commonwealth country which exports bananas to this country, namely, Ghana, has made it clear that it does not wish to avail itself of the offer of association. Its exports of bananas are small; in 1961, they were 0·1 per cent. of its total exports.

Butter

asked the Lord Privy Seal what common customs tariff he has accepted, in the course of the Brussels negotiations, on butter; and what estimate he has made of the quantities likely to be imported over this tariff from New Zealand and Australia, respectively, compared to the quantities imported in the last available year.

The Community have not yet adopted regulations for milk products, sugar or mutton and lamb.We have very closely in mind the importance to Commonwealth countries of exports of these commodities, and have put forward appropriate proposals. Negotiations have not yet been completed.

Oranges

asked the Lord Privy Seal what estimate he has now made of the effect of the imposition of the common customs tariff of 20 per cent. on oranges during the period October to the middle of March on the quantities imported into Great Britain during the winter months and the prices at which they would be available to the consumer.

We have made certain proposals in this respect. Negotiations have not yet been concluded.

Honey

asked the Lord Privy Seal if, in Brussels, he has accepted the common customs tariff of 30 per cent. on natural honey; and what estimate he has made of the effect of this on imports into Great Britain from Commonwealth countries.

Shellfish

asked the Lord Privy Seal if he has accepted the common customs tariff of the European Economic Community of 25 per cent. on crayfish and lobsters.

asked the Lord Privy Seal if he has accepted the European Economic Community common customs tariff of 18 per cent. on crabs and shrimps.

Agricultural Policy

asked the Lord Privy Seal (1) if he has accepted the European Economic Community common customs tariff of 18 per cent. on dead poultry;(2) if he will insist on a nil tariff on wheat flour for the common customs tariff in the negotiations in Brussels in view of the importance of keeping prices of bread low in the United Kingdom, protecting Commonwealth producers and securing the most efficient production of this basic food;

(3) what common customs tariff he is prepared to accept on cereals in the Brussels negotiations; and to what extent he has emphasised to the Six the importance of low cost imports of cereals into the United Kingdom, in view of the needs of British dairy farmers:

(4) what estimate he has now made in the negotiations for Great Britain's entry into the European Economic Community of the effect of the acceptance of the Common Market agricultural policy on British farmers producing eggs; and to what extent he has presented this to the Six;

(5) what estimate he has now made of the effect of the European Economic Community agricultural policy on British farmers producing pigs; and to what extent he has presented this to the Six;

(6) what estimate he has made of the additional cost of producing eggs in the United Kingdom if Great Britain accepts the Common Market agricultural policy and higher cereal prices; and to what extent he has discussed the implications of this with the Six in the negotiations;

(7) to what extent he has now argued in the Brussels negotiations that the applications of the Common Market agricultural policy must be gradual; and what success he has now achieved;

(8) what further proposals he has now made in the Brussels negotiations regarding the continuance for a transitional period of deficiency payments for British farmers after Great Britain joins the Common Market; and whether he has now succeeded in obtaining acceptance of this policy;

(9) what estimate he has now made of the price of barley if Great Britain joins the Common Market; and what transition arrangements he has requested for British farmers;

(10) if he has now demanded an extension beyond 1970 of deficiency payments for pig meat; and what was the result of the negotiations with the Six on this subject.

We have accepted that the common agricultural policy must apply in full to the United Kingdom by the end of a transitional period. We are at present negotiating on how our existing system is to be adapted and what the length of the tran- sitional period for the United Kingdom should be so as to achieve this result. I am unable to disclose the details of our proposals at the present stage but they are designed to take account of both British producer and consumer interests and those of the Commonwealth countries concerned.We have repeatedly made it clear in the negotiations that, in our view, the transition should be as smooth as possible and adequate time allowed for it. Until the ultimate harmonised price levels of the enlarged Community have been decided, however, we shall not know precisely how much these price increases will be during the transitional period nor their precise effect on producers.The levy system has replaced tariffs on poultry meat, cereals, and cereal products both in intra-Community trade and in trade with third countries.

asked the Lord Privy Seal if he will make a statement on his participation in the special study group on agriculture established by the Six and the United Kingdom; what memoranda he has presented; and whether he is satisfied that the outcome of the committee's deliberations meets Great Britain's requirements and resolves outstanding differences with the French Government.

I shall be making a statement to the House shortly on the progress of the negotiations as a whole, including the work of the Mansholt Committee.

asked the Lord Privy Seal what study he has made of the extent to which acceptance of the Common Market agricultural policy conflicts with the Agriculture Act, 1947; whether he has made the results of his study clear to the Six; and if he will make a statement on the negotiations in relation to this matter.

As I said in my opening statement on 10th October, 1961, the agricultural objectives of the Treaty of Rome are in line with the objectives of our own agricultural policy, of which the Agriculture Act, 1947, forms the basis. If we adopt the common agricultural policy of the Community some of the mechanisms for achieving these objectives in the United Kingdom will have to change. Therefore, one of out aims in the negotiations is to ensure that these objectives would continue to be achieved in the enlarged Community both during the transitional period and in the common market stage. During the negotiations, we have made clear to the Community what steps we consider necessary to arrive at this result and on some points, as I have reported to the House, agreement has already been reached. On other points, however, negotiations are still in progress, and I shall continue to keep the House informed.

asked the Lord Privy Seal what reply he sent to the United States Secretary for Agriculture to his representations regarding the effect of Great Britain's application on the protectionist nature of the Common Market's agricultural policy.

The views which the United States Government have expressed to the European Economic Community on this subject do not call for a reply from Her Majesty's Government.

Cocoa

asked the Lord Privy Seal (1) if he has accepted the common customs tariff of the European Economic Community of 9 per cent. on cocoa beans; and what estimate he has made of the effect of this on the trade to Great Britain of Commonwealth countries which do not wish to become associated States;(2) what common customs tariff he is proposing for cocoa paste, cocoa butter and cocoa powder, respectively, in the Common Market negotiations.

When the new Association Convention under Part IV of the Rome Treaty comes into force, the common external tariff on cocoa beans will be reduced from 9 per cent. to 5·4 per cent. It has been provisionally agreed that this tariff should be applied by gradual stages to exports to the United Kingdom from those Commonwealth countries which decide not to become associated with the Community. The production of cocoa beans by the present associates is far less than would be the requirements of the enlarged Community, and exports to the existing Community by those countries which are not considered likely to become associates are very much larger than their exports to the United Kingdom. The benefit these countries will derive from the cut in the common external tariff is therefore likely to outweigh the effect of the imposition of the tariff on their exports to Britain.We are at present negotiating with the Community about the level of the common external tariff for semi-processed cocoa products and I cannot disclose the nature of our proposals.

Tinned Salmon

asked the Lord Privy Seal what common customs tariff he is proposing in the negotiations in Brussels for tinned salmon, in view of the importance of this commodity to British housewives and to Commonwealth producers.

Kangaroo Meat

asked the Lord Privy Seal what estimate he has now made of the future export of kangaroo meat to the United Kingdom, in view of his negotiations of a nil tariff in the discussions with the European Economic Community.

As kangaroo meat is already admitted to this country free of duty from Australia, we do not expect any significant change in imports.

New Zealand Exports

asked the Lord Privy Seal what proposals he has now put to the Six with a view to protecting the volume of New Zealand exports of mutton and lamb to the enlarged Community in the event of Great Britain joining the European Economic Community; and to what extent he is making these proposals a condition of Great Britain's entry.

The Community have not yet adopted regulations for milk products, sugar or mutton and Iamb. We have very closely in mind the importance to Commonwealth countries of exports of these commodities, and have put forward appropriate proposals. Negotiations have not yet been completed.

European Investment Bank

asked the Lord Privy Seal if Her Majesty's Government proposes to joint the European Investment Bank; and what study he had made of the obligations, duties and restrictions this would impose on the United Kingdom.

The European Investment Bank is part of the structure of the European Economic Community and, if we joined the Community, we should join the Bank, also. The rights and obligations are defined in the relevant protocol to the Treaty of Rome. Adjustments to this protocol to take account of British membership remain to be negotiated.

British Association

asked the Lord Privy Seal whether, in view of the conditions established by the Six in the negotiations for Great Britain's entry into the Common Market, he has now put forward alternative plans for Great Britain's association with the European Economic Community, other than direct entry, to the Governments of the Six.

asked the Lord Privy Seal what other forms of association for Great Britain Her Majesty's Government has now been offered by the Six or its constituent governments.

British Trading Plans

asked the Lord Privy Seal to what extent he has advised the Six of alternative trading plans Great Britain will make in the event of the terms and conditions established by the Six being unacceptable, in order to strengthen his position in the current negotiations.

asked the Lord Privy Seal what discussions he has now had with the Governments of the European Free Trade Area with a view to developing alternative trading plans in the event of the Six establishing conditions which the European Free Trade Area countries could not accept.

None. The European Free Trade Association is, of course, maintaining its own momentum towards a free market between its members irrespective of the Brussels negotiations.

Dried Fruit

asked the Lord Privy Seal if he has now requested free entry of Commonwealth dried fruit into the enlarged Community in the event of Great Britain joining the European Economic Community; and what is the result of the negotiations on dried fruit, in view of its importance to Commonwealth producers.

Tariff Duties (Revenue)

asked the Lord Privy Seal to what extant he accepts that revenue derived from duties under the common customs tariff shall be available to the European Economic Community as a whole; and to what extent he is now insisting, as a condition of Great Britain's entry, that such revenue collected in Great Britain or derived from goods destined for Great Britain shall, as Great Britain is a major importer, be available to strengthen the United Kingdom revenue.

Article 201 of the Treaty of Rome provides a procedure, which we are prepared to accept, for determining the conditions under which the financial contributions of member States provided for elsewhere in the Treaty may be replaced by other resources, in particular the revenue from the common customs tariff when this has been finally introduced. The Community have not yet carried out this procedure so far as the common customs tariff is concerned and the matter has not arisen in the negotiations.

Efta Countries

asked the Lord Privy Seal if, in view of the current state of the negotiations in Brussels, Her Majesty's Government will now call for a conference of the European Free Trade Association countries, including Austria and Sweden, to report on the progress of the negotiations relating to Great Britain's application to join the European Economic Community and to decide whether the European Free Trade Association countries wish to continue their attempts to join or associate with the European Economic Community on the present terms.

No. There are regular meetings of the European Free Trade Association Council at ministerial level and we are also in close and constant touch with our European Free Trade Association partners through diplomatic channels.

Social Policy

asked the Lord Privy Seal to what extent he has now agreed in the Brussels negotiations with the harmonisation of social policies with the European Economic Community countries; if Her Majesty's Government has agreed to participate in further conferences to this end; and what estimate he has now made to the effect of such harmonisation on the British social system.

The social policy provided for in the Treaty of Rome is acceptable to us, subject to certain details of administration and timing. If we join the Community we shall participate fully in any Community conferences dealing with the implementation of that policy. It will be our object to ensure that the effect of any measures which may be agreed is beneficial to our social system.

Trade With Germany

asked the Lord Privy Seal if, in view of the fact that the Federal Republic of Germany retains within the European Economic Community the right to trade with the German Democratic Republic, he will request similar freedom for Britain to make trade agreements with the German Democratic Republic in the event of Britain joining the Community.

The relevant protocol refers to internal German trade. The position of the United Kingdom in this context would be the same as that of other member States who were signatories of the protocol.

Trade With Poland

asked the Lord Privy Seal if he has asked during the negotiations in Brussels for Britain to retain the right to negotiate trade agreements with Poland in view of the growing importance of such agreements in expanding the export trade of the United Kingdom.

This is not a matter for settlement in the negotiations. Each member of the European Economic Community at present retains the right to make bilateral trade arrangements with Soviet bloc countries. The Treaty of Rome envisages the development of a common policy for trade with third countries and, as a member of the Community, the United Kingdom would play a full part in the formulation of such a policy. It is not however, possible at this stage to forecast the effect of our accession on trade with individual third countries.

Trade With Ussr

asked the Lord Privy Seal what estimate he has made of the extent to which trade agreements with the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics will be affected if Britain accepts the Treaty of Rome; and whether he has requested that Britain retains the freedom to make such agreements in view of their importance in assisting Britain's export drive.

This is not a matter for settlement in the negotiations. Each member of the European Economic Community at present retains the right to make bilateral trade arrangements with Soviet bloc countries. The Treaty of Rome envisages the development of a common policy for trade with third countries and, as a member of the Community, the United Kingdom would play a full part in the formulation of such a policy. It is not, however, possible at this stage to forecast the effect of our accession on trade with individual third countries.

Beet And Cane Sugar

asked the Lord Privy Seal what estimate he has made of the effect of the common customs tariff of the European Economic Community of 8 per cent. on beet and cane sugar on Commonwealth producers; and if he has agreed to this figure in the negotiations.

The Community have not yet adopted regulations for milk products, sugar or mutton and lamb.

We have very closely in mind the importance to Commonwealth countries of exports of these commodities, and have put forward appropriate proposals. Negotiations have not yet been completed.

Negotiations

asked the Lord Privy Seal what representations he has had from the United States Government with regard to the negotiations for Great Britain's entry into the Common Market.

German Federal Republic

asked the Lord Privy Seal what was the result of his discussions on Great Britain's application to join the Common Market with the German Foreign Minister; and whether he has accepted the German requests for increased participation by the Federal Republic in defence questions, including participation in a North Atlantic Treaty Organisation nuclear deterrent, as a means of obtaining support for Great Britain's entry.

The discussions were confidential. The question of co-operation in defence matters has not arisen in connection with the Brussels negotiations, and no such requests were made.

Closer Political Association

asked the Lord Privy Seal what request he has made for parallel talks on closer political association in Europe to be held during the current negotiations on economic questions in Brussels.

I have made no such request. My statement to the Council of the Western European Union on the 10th of April, 1962 [Cmnd. 1720] sets out Her Majesty's Government's position in this matter.

Multilateral Nuclear Force

asked the Lord Privy Seal if he will make a statement on his discussions with Mr. George Ball, the United States Under-Secretary of State, with regard to the creation of a multilateralist nuclear force in Europe; and to what extent these matters were taken into account during the current negotiations on Great Britain's application to join the Common Market.

My discussions with Mr. Ball were private. The proposal for a North Atlantic multilateral nuclear force has not been discussed in the Brussels negotiations.

Workers (Free Entry)

asked the Lord Privy Seal what consultations Her Majesty's Government has had with the major professional bodies and the Trades Union Congress in Great Britain with regard to the effects of the Common Market provisions for the free entry of workers, professionally and otherwise, into the United Kingdom; and what use he has made of the representations he has received during the negotiations.

The Government have been in touch with the Trades Union Congress and with representatives of the legal and other professions and their views are being taken fully into account.

Staff

asked the Lord Privy Seal (1) what assurances he has received from the Six regarding the future status of British senior officials within the European Economic Community in the event of Great Britain joining the Common Market;(2) how many posts in the administrative services of the European Economic Community are being reserved for United Kingdom nationals in the event of Great Britain's entry;(3) what provision he is making in the negotiations for Great Britain's entry into the Common Market for citizens of the United Kingdom and the Colonies to serve in the administrative services of the European Economic Community notwithstanding the fact that the home country may not be an associate member;(4) what proportion of British nominated executive staff he has requested in the various European Economic Community institutions; and if these requests have been agreed by the Commission and the Council of Ministers.

It has been agreed with the Community that British participation in the staffing of the institutions of the European Economic Community would be on a scale approximately equal to that of the other member countries of comparable size. The status of British members of the staffs of the institutions would be governed by the Community's Regulation No. 31, a translation of which has been published by Her Majesty's Stationery Office. Members of the staffs normally have to be citizens of Member States, but Regulation No. 31 provides for exceptions to this rule.

Treaty Of Rome (Articles 48 And 60)

asked the Lord Privy Seal whether Her Majesty's Government has consulted the President of the College of Advocates and the Scottish Law Society about the effects of Article 60 and Article 48 on the practice of law in Scotland; and to what extent he has taken these into account in the current negotiations in Brussels.

The Government have been in touch with the Trades Union Congress and with representatives of the legal and other professions and their views are being taken fully into account.

asked the Lord Privy Seal what consultations Her Majesty's Government has had with the Chairman of the General Council of the Bar and the President of the Law Society and others about the application of Articles 48 and 60 in the Treaty of Rome and their effect on legal practices in England and Wales; and to what extent he has taken these into account in the negotiations with regard to Great Britain's application to join the European Economic Community.

The Government have been in touch with the Trades Union Congress and with representatives of the legal and other professions and their views are being taken fully into account.

Newsprint

asked the Lord Privy Seal if he has made a request for the abolition of the Common Market tariff on newsprint; and with what result.

These matters have not yet been finally settled and I cannot add to the information which has already been given to the House.

Lead And Zinc

asked the Lord Privy Seal if he has made a request for the abolition of the Common Market tariff on lead and zinc; and with what result.

These matters have not yet been finally settled and I cannot add to the information which has already been given to the House.

Canned Salmon

asked the Lord Privy Seal what request he has made for the abolition of the Common Market tariff on canned salmon; what was the decision of the Six; and what further representations he intends to make in view of the importance of this import to the British consumer.

Dairy Products

asked the Lord Privy Seal to what extent he has accepted the Common Market regulations for dairy products; and how these will affect the Milk Marketing Board.

The Community have not yet adopted a regulation for dairy products. A draft is, however, before the Council of Ministers and we have expressed our views on it. The position of the Milk Marketing Board is one of the points which we have in mind.

asked the Lord Privy Seal if he has made a condition of Great Britain's entry into the Common Market that the Milk Marketing Board will continue to operate to control fully the milk marketing in the United Kingdom.

The Community have not yet adopted a regulation for dairy products. A draft is, however, before the Council of Ministers and we have expressed our views on it. The position of the Milk Marketing Board is one of the points which we have in mind.

Wheat

asked the Lord Privy Seal what price he has negotiated for wheat in the United Kingdom as a result of his discussions in Brussels; what increase this represents over the prices prevailing for Canadian and Australian wheat imports, respectively; and what estimate he made for the purpose of the negotiations of the increase in the price of bread that the new prices would represent.

asked the Lord Privy Seal what estimate he made during the negotiations in Brussels of the impact on livestock producers in the United Kingdom of the increase in the price of wheat; and what representations he made to the Six for the protection of British livestock production.

The impact on livestock producers will depend on the precise arrangements for cereals which have still to be settled. We have had this point in mind in our discussions with the Community.

Barley

asked the Lord Privy Seal what increase in the price of barley he has agreed to in the negotiations with the Six in Brussels; and what alternative proposals were rejected by the Six.

Aluminium

asked the Lord Privy Seal what was the result of his request to the Six for the abolition of the Common Market tariff on aluminium; and what estimate he has made of the effect of the Common Market tariff on Commonwealth producers if it is applied.

These matters have not yet been finally settled and I cannot add to the information which has already been given to the House.

Medical And Dental Professions

asked the Lord Privy Seal what arrangements he has made during the negotiations in Brussels regarding transitional and permanent safeguards for the British medical profession in the event of Great Britain's entry into the European Economic Community, in view of the provision in the Treaty for the free movement of professional workers.

The Government are aware of the importance of protecting the interests of the medical and dental professions and maintaining their standards. This is not, however, a matter for the current negotiations

asked the Lord Privy Seal what safeguards he has requested during the Brussels negotiations regarding the maintenance of standards in the British dental services.

The Government are aware of the importance of protecting the interests of the medical and dental professions and maintaining their standards. This is not, however, a matter for the current negotiations.

Gatt

asked the Lord Privy Seal whether he has kept the General Agreement on Tariffs and Trade informed of the progress of the negotiations regarding Great Britain's application to join the Common Market; and whether he has received any representations from the General Agreement on Tariffs and Trade.

Sterling Area (Free Movement Of Capital)

asked the Lord Privy Seal what estimate he has made of the effect on the sterling area of Great Britain's acceptance of Articles 67 and 71 regarding the free movement of capital; and if he has made any representations during the current negotiations in view of the importance of sterling to world trade and the need for the Commonwealth to be consulted on matters affecting the sterling area.

It is not possible to make a precise estimate, but there is no reason to suppose that the free movement of capital to the sterling area would be adversely affected. We have discussed this general question with the Commission and it appears that our present practice would need to be changed in only a few respects in order to comply with Community rules. We should, of course, participate in the formulation of any measures which might be adopted after our accession to the Community.

Treaty Of Rome (Article 73)

asked the Lord Privy Seal if he has made representations to the Six regarding Article 73 of the Treaty of Rome; and if he has requested special dispensation for Great Britain and the Commonwealth in view of the special position of the sterling area.

Republic Of Ireland

asked the Lord Privy Seal whether Great Britain's application to join the Common Market will be dependent upon the concurrent admission of Eire, Denmark and Norway.

Our obligations to Denmark and Norway, as members of the European Free Trade Association, are well known. We have many close ties with the Irish Republic and welcome the prospect of her membership of the European Economic Community; but we have no obligation to the Irish Republic analogous to our European Free Trade Association obligation.

Marginal Farming Areas (Financial Assistance)

asked the Lord Privy Seal what safeguards he has demanded in the negotiations in Brussels with regard to the finance available for assisting marginal farming areas in England, Wales and Scotland.

The Treaty of Rome specifically envisages the grant of direct assistance to agriculture in certain circumstances and, in particular, for the protection of undertakings handicapped by structural or natural conditions. Moreover, the general assurance about the remuneration of the agricultural industry which we have agreed with the Community provides for special action to be taken where necessary to ensure a fair standard of living for the agricultural population in particular areas.

Treaty Of Rome (Articles 85 And 86)

asked the Lord Privy Seal whether he accepts the regulations of the Common Market with regard to cartels; if he is giving approval for the Commission to give directions to British companies in the event of Great Britain joining the European Economic Community; and whether he is satisfied as to the form these directions shall take.

The provisions of Articles 85 and 86 of the Treaty of Rome and of the implementing Regulations are acceptable to us. If Britain joins the Community, these provisions will be made part of our law. The question of approving decisions addressed by the Commission to British companies does not therefore arise.

Sales Tax

asked the Lord Privy Seal if he has accepted, during the discussions on Great Britain's application to join the European Economic Community, the principle of a sales tax on all goods and services in Great Britain; and what representations he has made to the Six with regard to continuing taxes on luxury commodities at a higher rate if Her Majesty's Government so decided.

The Answer to the first part of the Question is no. The second part of the Question does not therefore arise.

Northern Ireland

asked the Lord Privy Seal what special provisions he has requested for the economic development of Northern Ireland in the event of Great Britain joining the Common Market.

This is not a question which arises directly in the negotiations. We have, however, been in touch with the Government of Northern Ireland on matters of concern to them.

Trade Agreements (Notification)

asked the Lord Privy Seal what protest he has made to the Commission of the Common Market regarding the demand made by the Commission for British firms to give details of agreements in Europe by 1st February, in view of the confusion that has resulted from this request; and whether he has requested an extension of the time limit.

We have not taken this matter up with the Commission. British firms are not required to notify the Commission of their agreements. They may, however, notify agreements made with firms in the Community which affect trade between Member States if they wish to obtain exemption from the provisions of Article 85 (1) of the Treaty of Rome and the other party to the agreement has not notified it.

Commission (Powers To Collect Information)

asked the Lord Privy Seal what safeguards he has obtained, and intends to obtain, from the Six during the negotiations on Great Britain's application to join the Common Market with regard to the powers of the Common Market Commission to demand detailed information from British firms and enterprises, in view of the confusion that has been caused by the Commission's recent request to companies intending to apply for benefits accorded by Article 85, Paragraph 3, of the Treaty of Rome.

The powers of the Commission to collect information from undertakings are defined in the Treaty and the relevant Regulations and we are not seeking any amendment of these.

Cotton Industry

asked the Lord Privy Seal what estimate he has made during the current negotiations for Great Britain's application to join the European Economic Community of the effect on the British cotton industry.

It is not possible to predict in detail the effect of our membership on particular industries. It will depend upon the ability of individual companies to adapt to the changed circumstances and to take advantage of the opportunities they afford.

Motor Industry

asked the Lord Privy Seal whether he is satisfied that the free competition conditions in the Treaty of Rome can be applied to those companies and organisations in the motor industry which operate in the Common Market countries and Great Britain, which are in fact owned and wholly controlled by a parent company in the United States of America; and what representations he has made on this issue during the negotiations in Brussels.

India (Exports)

asked the Lord Privy Seal, why he has accepted in the negotiations in Brussels the principle of a tariff on hand-knotted carpets and other similar exports from India which are essential to that country's economic development in view of his original request for a zero tariff; and what estimate he now makes of the effect on the Indian economy of the tariff to which he agrees in the event of Great Britain joining the Common Market.

These matters have not yet been finally settled and I cannot add to the information which has already been given to the House.

Aluminium

asked the Lord Privy Seal, why he has abandoned his demand for a zero tariff on aluminium in the current negotiations in Brussels.

These matters have not yet been finally settled and I cannot add to the information which has already been given to the House.

United Nations

Congo Hostilities

asked the Lord Privy Seal (1) whether he will publish the text of President Tshombe's proposal of the 13th December, 1962, to the United Nations' Secretary General; and why, and, at whose instance, this proposal for the application of the Thant Plan was kept secret;(2) what reply was made by the United Nations' Secretary General to President Tshombe's proposal of 13th December, 1962, for the application of his plan.

Her Majesty's Government are not empowered to publish the texts of M. Tshombe's proposal or of the Secretary General's reply. The proposal has since been the subject of confidential negotiations in Leopoldville, the results of which are not yet available.

asked the Lord Privy Seal whether he will publish the texts of the respective communiqués of the United Nations and the Katanga Government regarding the firing at Elisabethville, Lubumbashi and Kimbemba on 27th December, 1962.

The texts of the Katangan communiqué and of the United Nations statement on the hostilities have been placed in the Library.

asked the Lord Privy Seal what inquiry has been made, disciplinary action taken, and compensation paid or promised in respect of United Nations mortar bombardment of the African townships of Albert and Kenya and of the Lubumbashi hospital, causing civilian casualties in both cases, and in respect of the shooting by Ethiopian troops of the wife of an employee of the Union Minière and by Indian troops of two Belgian ladies at Jadotville.

Although damage and casualties are unhappily bound to occur in the course of hostilities such as those which have taken place in and around Elisabethville, I have had no specific reports of losses resulting from mortar fire. The United Nations have ordered immediate official inquiries into the incidents involving the deaths of the three women.

asked the Lord Privy Seal why, in view of the United Nations responsibility for law and order in the Congo, a United Nations broadcast of the 29th December, 1962, appealed to the Katangan gendarmerie to mutiny and join United Nations forces in the liberation of the whole Congo.

The United Nations made two appeals to the Katangan gendarmerie to stop the fight and join them. There was no specific incitement to mutiny or violence against their own officers.

asked the Lord Privy Seal under what United Nations' resolutions and directives the recent United Nations offensive in Katanga was undertaken; what orders the United Nations' Secretary General or his representative gave the military commander; why these orders excluded the capture of Jadotville; why despite such order Jadotville was captured; and what was the nature of the break-down of United Nations communications.

Accounts of the origin of the hostilities which broke out on 27th December differ. The United Nations stated that they were fired on for several hours by the Katanga gendarmerie before taking measures in self-defence. The right to use force in self-defence is covered by United Nations resolutions. The precise nature of the orders given to the military commander is not known. But the United Nations have stated that the occupation of Jadotville was not intended at the time when it took place, and that it resulted from a break-down of communications. Since then Dr. Ralph Bunche has submitted a report to the Secretary-General on the nature of this break-down. The report states that it resulted from a serious malfunctioning of the machinery of inter-communication.

asked the Lord Privy Seal what estimate has been made of the cost of the United Nations military operations against Katanga from 27th December, 1962; and whether he will give an assurance that the United Kingdom will make no additional funds available for operations intended to impose a settlement by force of the Katanga question.

No estimate has been made of the cost of the latest operations. No assessments for the Congo operation have been made since July, 1962, and the operation is being financed by the sale of bonds. Her Majesty's Government have already paid for the bonds which they agreed last February to buy.

asked the Lord Privy Seal what is the latest estimate of military and of civilian casualties on both sides in the United Nations operations in Katanga.

No official estimates have been issued of military or civilian casualties on either side during the recent hostilities, but they are understood to have been relatively light.

asked the Lord Privy Seal why Great Britain has not used the right of veto at the Security Council of the United Nations with a view to preventing the repetition of inhumanities against the civilian population which occurred during the recent fighting in the Congo.

The Security Council has not discussed the Congo since November, 1961, and the use of the veto has not therefore arisen.

asked the Lord Privy Seal what action was taken by the British Government subsequent to the statement of the Joint Parliamentary Secretary to the Foreign Office in the Adjournment debate of 22nd March, 1961, deploring the lack of control over the United Nations troops in the Congo, with a view to ensuring that there was an adequate chain of responsibility in the command of such troops prior to any further military action.

The United Nations chain of command, and the control of troops in the Congo, has been discussed in the course of the constant contacts which the United Kingdom Mission in New York maintains with the Secretariat.

asked the Lord Privy Seal why the United Kingdom did not raise with the United Nations Security Council as a threat to peace the sending of a United States military mission, and of United States military equipment for use against Katanga.

I understand that the aim of this mission was to improve the efficiency of the United Nations force as a whole. I cannot accept the suggestion that it constituted a threat to peace.

Northern Rhodesia Frontier (Aircraft)

asked the Lord Privy Seal what protests have been made at the violation of the Northern Rhodesia frontier by United Nations military aircraft; and what assurance Her Majesty's Government in the United Kingdom has given the Government of the Federation of Rhodesia and Nyasaland of support for all necessary measures to secure the integrity of Federal territory from United Nations forces.

At the request of the Federal authorities, our Representative at the United Nations, on 5th and 11th of January, brought to the attention of the Secretariat two instances in which United Nations aircraft had flown over Federal territory. The United Nations expressed regret over the incidents. They explained that one was due to bad weather and a faulty navigation instrument, and the other to cloud conditions. The Secretariat added that very strict instructions had been given to all pilots of United Nations aircraft to keep away from the Federal border. For the rest I am not aware of any threat to Federal territory from United Nations forces.

British Consuls, Southern United States Of America

asked the Lord Privy Seal to what extent it is the practice of British consuls in the Southern United States of America to invite to official functions representatives of the negro communities there; and whether he will take steps to encourage the issue of such invitations on all possible occasions.

The duties of Her Majesty's Consular Officers are broadly speaking to protect British subjects and their interests, and in the Southern United States of America the discharge of these duties has not in practice involved the invitation to official functions of representatives of the negro communities. Should occasion arise where official or social contact with representatives of these communities would help in the fulfilment of their duties, Her Majesty's Consular Officers would, of course, not hesitate to make such contacts. I do not consider that any special instructions are necessary.