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Volume 691: debated on Wednesday 11 March 1964

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Written Answers To Questions

Wednesday, 11th March, 1964

British Army

Teaching Machines

asked the Secretary of State for War how many branching teaching machines he is using to train military personnel.

None at present. Experiments in programmed instruction are being carried out to assess the military value of this type of training aid.

Recruits

asked the Secretary of State for War how many recruits joined the Army in February this year from the Counties of Ayrshire, Perthshire, Argyllshire, Lanarkshire and Aberdeenshire.

The following is the information:

Ayrshire15
Perthshire6
Argyllshire1
Lanarkshire14
Aberdeenshire3
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Lieutenant-Colonels (Retired Pay)

10.

asked the Secretary of State for War how much more retired pay will a 1964 Code lieutenant-colonel receive on retiring after maximum service from 1st April next than is now received by a lieutenant-colonel who retired after maximum service service before the 1939 war and is now over 60 years of age; and how much more terminal grant will be received by the younger officer.

£378 a year more retired pay—or £358 a year if the older officer is aged 70 or over; and £3,705 terminal grant.

Appointments, East Africa

2.

asked the Secretary of State for War how many British officers and other ranks have lost their appointments in Commonwealth countries in East Africa since the mutinies; how many of such officers and other ranks were formerly of the King's African Rifles and for this or other reasons with- out British Service units to revert to; and what compensation is being paid and arrangements made for their re-employment.

Thirty-three officers and 20 other ranks, of whom three officers were from the King's African Rifles. Although these three officers do not have British service units to revert to, they are on the strength of the General List and are all due to retire within the next four months. Compensation is being negotiated with the Tanganyika Government as a matter of urgency.

Scotland

School Building

asked the Secretary of State for Scotland what was the value of work done in respect of new school building in each year since 1951; and what was its value expressed in terms of the internal value of the £ sterling in 1951.

The following is the information:

YearActual total value of work doneValue expressed in terms of the internal value of the £ sterling in 1951*
£000£000
19514,3204,320
19525,4545,159
19535,6335,233
19546,6556,076
19558,3427,333
19569,7348,196
195711,9319,748
195811,9879,542
195913,25010,494
196012,2609,661
196111,7378,955
196214,05010,369
196315,53711,202
* These figures have been estimated on the basis of movements in the Consumer Price Index between 1951 and 1962 and in the Retail Price Index between 1962 and 1963.

Population

asked the Secretary of State for Scotland if he will tabulate, for those counties in respect of which he has received a report from the Registrar General, the population in 1951, the population in 1961, the increase or decrease of population between those years the population of school age in 1951 and 1961, the population over 60 years of

Cities and CountiesPopulation (all ages)Increase or decrease 1951–1961Population aged 5–14Population aged 60 and overDeaths 1951–1961Births 1951–1961
195119611951196119511961
Cities
Aberdeen182,783185,390+ 2,60725,86329,95126,23230,63821,44832,148
Dundee177,340182,978+ 5,63826,12830,90126,42929,21321,88933,643
Edinburgh466,943468,361+ 1,41862,14969,21175,72682,68160,27576,009
Glasgow1,089,7671,055,017- 34,750170,999175,617140,713150,948132,297215,822
Counties
Aberdeen144,746136,393- 8,35324,34923,82521,83423,15916,10224,957
Angus97,53695,421- 2,11514,04415,15416,75618,12312,19615,448
Argyll63,36159,390- 3,9719,0478,95812,17513,1979,3298,918
Ayr321,237342,822+ 21,58550,78057,75844,45852,34638,64961,335
Banff50,14846,454- 3,6948,8278,3308,1898,2976,0648,602
Berwick25,06822,437- 2,6313,5413,5324,4814,4663,3953,184
Bute19,28315,170- 4,1132,5371,9944,1304,5222,8952,246
Caithness22,71027,370+ 4,6603,7294,7173,8533,9673,1124,686
Clackmannan37,53241,394+ 3,8625,9617,7005,0135,7254,3607,739
Dumfries85,66088,440+ 2,78012,88314,94713,19114,46810,42915,337
Dunbarton164,269184,559+ 20,29025,13232,51322,16126,04719,17334,769
East Lothian52,25852,677+ 4198,3789,0347,5038,7425,8379,089
Fife306,778320,692+ 13,91445,92755,46442,94749,15935,25358,422
Inverness84,93083,480- 1,45012,56113,71514,40915,60810,52814,724
Kincardine27,88225,564- 2,3184,4724,3454,6144,8203,2524,362
Kinross7,4186,702- 7161,1711,0921,2651,2589221,092
Kirkcudbright30,72528,870- 1,8554,8694,7525,0675,3513,8605,212
Lanark524,596571,407+ 46,81189,939103,11164,32073,79559,904110,322
Midlothian98,792111,968+ 13,17615,59620,45412,85414,86411,09221,278
Moray48,21849,170+ 9527,0178,5096,9057,5065,3039,841
Nairn8,7198,423- 2961,3851,4191,5911,6951,1211,411
Orkney21,25518,747- 2,5083,2962,9864,0783,7172,9653,146
Peebles15,23214,156- 1,0762,2402,3102,9243,0982,0432,155
Perth128,029127,056- 97317,79920,45022,52324,29416,34220,344
Renfrew324,660338,872+ 14,21251,72658,16244,57850,04938,76163,068
Ross and Cromarty60,50857,642- 2,8669,2669,91811,78511,9188,3529,774
Roxburgh45,55743,183- 2,3746,1646,5598,5508,7426,3026,815
Selkirk21,72921,052- 6772,5383,0784,2514,4573,1313,203
Stirling187,527194,876+ 7,34928,95632,85824,19927,75521,01434,249
Sutherland13,67013,507- 1631,9992,2392,8382,8192,0342,298
West Lothian88,57792,768+ 4,19115,00416,34710,45812,5299,01317,811
Wigtown31,62029,124- 2,4965,2215,2014,4924,5763,8105,879
Zetland19,35217,812- 1,5402,7802,7544,0973,8962,8862,776
Total (Scotland)5,096,4155,179,344+ 82,929784,273869,862731,589808,445615,338952,114

Outer Hebrides (Population)

asked the Secretary of State for Scotland what was the latest published figure showing the net natural increase of population in the area of the Outer Hebrides and to what factors he attributes the fall in total population.

age in 1951 and 1961, and the number of deaths, and the number of births, between 1951 and 1961.

The following is the Answer:During the; year ended 30th June, 1963, it is estimated that the population fell by 400 to 31,450. This reflects the national trend of population movement from rural areas to urban centres.

Scottish Examination Board

42.

asked the Secretary of State for Scotland if he has now appointed the eight members of the Scottish Examination Board who are the nominees of the Scottish universities.

Clyde-Forth Canal (Bridges)

asked the Secretary of State for Scotland what steps he is taking to replace the various types of road swing bridges now in use on the Clyde-Forth Canal by permanent structures.

One of the two trunk road bridges across the canal is being replaced, and the other will be superseded when the Falkirk bypass is built. Four other bridges on important classified roads are also being replaced.

DAY RELEASE STUDENTS
Lanarkshire*ScotlandColumn (7) as percentage of insured persons under 18
YearTotal number of Day Release StudentsDifference (±) from previous yearNumber of Day Release Students under 18Difference (±) from previous yearTotal number of Day Release StudentsDifference (±) from previous yearNumber of Day Release Students under 18Difference (±) from previous year
(1)(2)(3)(4)(5)(6)(7)(8)(9) per cent.
1960–614,767+2932,244+27237,683+2,07417,907+ 1,17711
1961–625,047+2802,429+18541,892+4,20920,259+2,35212
1962–634,891-1562,183-24645,941+4,04922,233+ 1,97412
* Numbers of persons under 18 in insured employment in Lanarkshire are not available.

Farmers (Dairying And Livestock Rearing)

asked the Secretary of State for Scotland how many farmers, who benefited under the Marginal Agricultural Production Scheme but do not benefit under the Winter Keep (Scotland) Scheme, he has advised to cut down their dairying enterprise and increase livestock rearing.

New University

asked the Secretary of State for Scotland what discussions he has had with the University Grants Committee regarding possible sites for the new university in Scotland.

I would refer the hon. Member to the Answer given today to The future of the remainder of the bridges is a matter for discussion between the highway authorities and the British Waterways Board; but in view of their number and variety it will clearly take time to deal with them all.

Day Release Students

43.

asked the Secretary of State for Scotland what has been the increase in day release students in Lanarkshire and Scotland, respectively, in each of the past three years; and what proportions of the young persons concerned those figures represent.

The following are the figures:the hon. Members for Fife, West (Mr. W. Hamilton) Edinburgh, East (Mr. Willis), Edinburgh, Leith (Mr. Hoy), and Glasgow, Govan (Mr. Rankin).

Ministry Of Aviation

Boac (Aircraft)

47.

asked the Minister of Aviation why his predecessor prevented the British Overseas Airways Corporation from increasing the rate of depreciation on the DC7C and other aircraft in its 1958–59 accounts.

Ferranti, Limited

44.

asked the Minister of Aviation what steps he has taken to investigate the possibility of excessive payments to Messrs. Ferranti, Ltd. in respect of contracts subsequent to 1st April, 1961; and what conclusions have been reached.

A detailed investigation of contracts with Messrs. Ferranti, Limited other than those for the Bloodhound guided missile has given no indication whatever of similar excessive payments.An examination has been made of the production contracts for the Bloodhound missile for the period from 1st April, 1961, to 31st May, 1963. Less than one-third of the production in this period has so far been priced. Those prices which have been agreed were based on technical cost estimates produced in the previous period and show similar tendencies to the previous prices. Negotiations with the contractor covering the whole cost of production in this period are proceeding.

45.

asked the Minister of Aviation what sums Messrs. Ferranti, Ltd has offered to refund in respect of excessive payments for goods supplied by it.

No specific offer of a refund has yet been made by Messrs, Ferranti, Ltd. but negotiations with the firm are still in progress.

Prestwick Airport

48.

asked the Minister of Aviation what plans he now has, following recent meetings between the county council and his officials, for ensuring the fullest use of the facilities available at Prestwick Airport.

I have nothing to add to my reply to a similar question by the hon. Member on 5th February.

Transport Aircraft Requirements Committee

asked the Minister of Aviation whether he will now revise the terms of reference and machinery of the Transport Aircraft Requirements Committee so that it will be able to play a more positive rôle in the establishment of transport aircraft requirements and priorities.

I would refer the hon. Member to the reply given to the hon. Member for Middlesbrough, West (Dr. Bray) on 29th January last.

Roads

School Entrances (Parked Vehicles)

49.

asked the Minister of Transport if he will take steps to prohibit the parking of vehicles immediately outside school entrances.

Where I am the responsible authority I shall do so in special cases if the "school entrance" carriage way marking is ineffective. In most places the decision rests with the local authority.

Altrincham And Sale (Bypass)

53.

asked the Minister of Transport whether he will make a statement on his consideration of the building of a new £4 million bypass road at Altrincham and Sale, Cheshire; and when this scheme is likely to be commenced.

The joint committee of local highway authorities in the South-East Lancashire and North-East Cheshire conurbation submitted to me last August a long-term roads plan which included a western bypass of Altrincham and Sale. But the committee gave other schemes in the area higher priority than this bypass and it did not include it in its recommended programme of works up to 1972.I agreed in general with its recommendations for these early years and have taken them into account in the roads programme which is settled as far as 1967–68. This includes a scheme to extend the Princess Parkway route (A.5103) to Form a new radial road into Manchester from the south-west which will reduce the traffic volume on A.56 through Altrincham and Sale.The local highway authorities are carrying out a more comprehensive land use/transport survey of the conurbation, and their roads plan for the longer term will be re-assessed in the light of this. Assuming the need for a western bypass of Altrincham and Sale is confirmed I will include it in the programme as soon as I can.

Road Pricing (Report)

54.

asked the Minister of Transport if he has now decided whether he will publish the Report on Road Pricing completed in May, 1963, and unanimously agreed by the panel set up by the Road Research Laboratory, under the chairmanship of Dr. Smeed, consisting of 12 traffic experts including six economists.

65.

asked the Minister of Transport whether he has now reached a decision on the publication of the special Report on road pricing policy.

64.

asked the Minister of Transport whether the special Report on road pricing policy will be made available to members of the Working Party on Piccadilly Circus.

As I have today informed the right hon. Member for Vauxhall (Mr. Strauss), this Report is to be published. There is no reason why copies should not be made available to the Working Party on Piccadilly Circus, but since the Report is concerned essentially with technical feasibility, it would be of only very limited interest to the Working Party.

Parking Spaces (White Lines)

56.

asked the Minister of Transport if he is aware that the white lines marking the limits of parking spaces are not easily seen from the driving seats of most motor cars; and if he will make it a condition of his approval for parking meter schemes that the position of the meters should be standardised in relation to the white lines so that drivers can use them as a guide when parking parallel to the kerb.

I am not aware of any widespread difficulty in this respect. A single meter is normally placed 4 or 5 ft. from the forward end of a parking bay; double meters are always placed at the line where two bays join.

Railway Bridge, Wickford High Street (Pedestrian Tunnels)

62.

asked the Minister of Transport whether he is aware of the urgent need to construct pedestrian tunnels under the railway bridge in Wickford High Street; and what action he will take to ensure the construction of these tunnels without further delay.

I have recently issued a grant for this scheme. The Essex County Council, which is the highway authority, is responsible for carrying out the work.

A483 Road (Rossett-Whitehouse Section)

63.

asked the Minister of Transport what plans he has to remove the hazards on the A.483 between Rossett and Whitehouse; and if he will make a statement.

As soon as funds become available, I intend to construct a new road to take through traffic away from this section of the A.483 road.

Motorway, Lancashire

asked the Minister of Transport what is his policy with regard to the plan for an additional 260 miles of motorway in Lancashire put forward recently by the Lancashire County Surveyor.

The Lancashire County Council recently submitted to me proposals for 54 miles of additional motorway which it considers should be given priority in Lancashire. I have told the Council that while the roads programme is settled for the next few years I will consider these new proposals as soon as possible for inclusion in the programme in the longer term in the light of the needs of the country as a whole and the funds likely to be available.

Motorway

asked the Minister of Transport if he will state the current mileage of motorway open, the amount to be opened this year, the amount which has gone to tender, and the amount for which the line of route has been established.

The figures respectively are 292½ miles, 7½ miles, 14½ miles and 193½ miles. 113¾ miles are at present under construction.

Shipping

Safety At Sea (Convention)

50.

asked the Minister of Transport which countries have not yet ratified the 1960 Convention for Safety at Sea; when Her Majesty's Government will ratify it; and when he will introduce legislation to enforce its provisions.

34 of the 40 countries which signed the International Convention for the Safety of Life at Sea 1960 have not yet accepted it.Her Majesty's Government intend to accept the. Convention as soon as Parliament passes the necessary legislation now before it, and subsequently to apply the provisions of the Convention from the date on which it comes into force.The 34 countries which have signed the Convention but have not yet accepted it are:

Argentina, Australia, Belgium, Brazil, Bulgaria, Cameroun, Canada, Republic of China, Denmark, Dominica. Finland, Federal Republic of Germany, Hungary, Iceland, India, Irish Republic, Israel, Italy, Republic of Korea, Kuwait, Liberia, Netherlands, New Zealand, Pakistan, Panama, Philippines, Portugal, Sweden. Switzerland, Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, United Arab Republic, United Kingdom, Venezuela, Yugoslavia.

Bristol Channel

51.

asked the Minister of Transport what exploration has been made of the tidal currents of the Bristol Channel and of the effects the construction of the several proposed jetties will have upon the silting up of the fairways of the various ports and of the navigable parts of the main channel.

I assume the hon. Gentleman is referring to the jetty scheme proposed in the Welsh Shipping Agency Bill now before Parliament. It is for the promoters to satisfy Parliament that the proposed jetty will not have a harmful effect upon navigation in the Bristol Channel.

Japanese Shipbuilding

55.

asked the Minister of Transport what investigations he has made into subsidised Japanese shipbuilding, in view of its effect upon the United Kingdom shipbuilding industry.

We have no evidence that the Japanese Government provide any special subsidy for shipbuilding.

Railways

Privately-Owned Equipment

52.

asked the Minister of Transport why he has rejected the British Railways Board's request to be permitted to tender for manufacturing privately-owned railway equipment, such as rolling stock and containers, for use by their customers on British Railways.

I would refer the right hon. Gentleman to the Answer which I gave to the hon. Member for Newcastle-upon-Tyne, West (Mr. Popplewell) on Tuesday, 3rd March.

British Transport Police Force

57.

asked the Minister of Transport when he expects to lay before the House the Statutory Instrument concerning the future structure of the Transport Police.

I am still considering the comments I have received from representatives of the British Transport Police Force on the scheme for the future organisation of the transport police submitted to me by the British Railways Board. I cannot yet forecast when I may be able to lay before the House an order approving a scheme.

Railways Board (Surplus Houses)

58.

asked the Minister of Transport if he will give a general direction, in the public interest, to the Railways Board that when it decides to dispose of any its houses it should give the tenant the opportunity to purchase before offering it for sale to any other body.

No. The Board is subject to the normal legislation governing relations between landlords and tenants and it would not be appropriate to impose other restrictions of this nature upon it. I understand that wherever possible it first offers all surplus houses to its tenants occupying individual dwellings. However, this procedure is not always practicable in the case of blocks of dwellings, especially where local housing authorities have shown an interest.

Proposed Closure (Cleethorpes- Grimsby-New Holland Line)

61.

asked the Minister of Transport when he proposes to give his decision on the recommendation of the Transport Users Consultative Committee that the closure of the Cleethorpes-Grimsby-New Holland line would involve serious hardship.

I shall give my decision on this closure as soon as I have completed my consideration of the Transport Users Consultative Committee's report on hardship and of the other relevant factors. I cannot say at present when that will be.

Transport

Rural Transport

asked the Minister of Transport whether he will now make a further statement on the action he proposes to take about the rural transport problem.

In the light of the special studies of rural transport I have had consultations with representatives of local authorities and bus operators. The studies to date have produced no unanimity about what is the right solution to this problem. It is clear that only by experiment can we test the validity of the various remedies that have been suggested. We therefore plan to conduct practical experiments in selected rural areas which can be taken as typical examples. Some of them will be areas where we have already held local surveys which provide much valuable background data. The areas already chosen are in Lincolnshire, Montgomeryshire, Northamptonshire and Westmorland. The ways in which we can experiment will be settled through local consultations in each of the areas concerned between representatives of the local authorities, bus operators, and welfare organisations. The co-operation of all these interests will be essential.When we have gained practical and positive experience in this way, we shall be in a position to assess the situation generally.

Public Corporations (Compensation Payments)

asked the Minister of Transport if he will introduce legislation to require his sanction to be sought by any public corporation for which he is responsible wishing to pay compensation payments of any kind exceeding £ 1 million.

No. As a general principle public corporations must be left to conduct their affairs with a proper sense of financial responsibility. I see no reason for making an exception in the type of case mentioned. The rights to compensation of third parties must in the last resort be matters for decision by the courts.

Pedestrian Crossings (Audible Warning Signals)

asked the Minister of Transport what investigations he is making into the provision of audible warning, or other means, at traffic signals and pedestrian crossings to assist sightless persons to know when it is safe to cross.

I have installed audible warning signals at two Panda crossing sites to assist blind persons. I am at present considering extending the use of this device to other signalled crossings and technical trials are now being carried out.

Post Office

Disabled Persons (Employment)

66.

asked the Postmaster-General how many disabled and partially-disabled persons, respectively, are employed by his Department in Wales; what is the comparable number in the United Kingdom as a whole; and what are the comparative percentages.

At the last return (1st October, 1963) 11,784 registered disabled persons were employed in the Post Office—3·13 per cent. of the total staff—of whom 784 were employed in Wales and Border Counties-4.28 per cent. of the staff of this Post Office Directorate. All were partially disabled.

Postage Stamps

67.

asked the Postmaster. General, in view of the fact that the Ulster crested 3d. postage stamp is not included in books of postage stamps sold in Northern Ireland, if he will, in the course of his review of this matter, give favourable consideration to its inclusion.

Royal Navy

Hms "Valiant"

68.

asked the Civil Lord of the Admiralty to what extent the United States Navy Department retains control over what information may be released about H.M.S. "Valiant"; and how often it has used its veto.

The terms of any announcement about H.M.S. "Valiant" involving information of United States origin would be agreed beforehand with the United States authorities. Otherwise release of information about this vessel is governed by the same security regulations about the release of information that apply to any other of H.M. ships.There have been no cases where the United States authorities have objected to announcements proposed by us.

Nuclear Submarine Reactor, Dounreay (Welded Joints)

69.

asked the Civil Lord of the Admiralty whether the Inter-Services Research Council or the British Welding Research. Association were consulted about the design of welded joints in the nuclear submarine reactor being developed by Rolls-Royce at Dounreay.

Teaching Machines

asked the Civil Lord of the Admiralty how many branching teaching machines he is using to train Naval personnel.

Twenty-three branching teaching machines are at present in use, two in a ship and 21 in two Naval training establishments, and a further 10 machines are in process of being installed. All the machines are being used for trials of programmed instruction, but no decision to use them for general training has yet been taken.

Hm Ships (Visits To Clydeside)

asked the Civil Lord of the Admiralty if ships of Her Majesty's Navy will visit Clydeside during the summer of 1964.

Provisional arrangements have been made, subject to overriding operational commitments, for three frigates and one coastal minesweeper to pay visits to five ports in the River Clyde and the Firth of Clyde between May and August.Until we have consulted the local authorities concerned, which we do about six weeks before any proposed visit, I regret that I am unable at present to give further details of the proposed visits.

Home Department

Vice

70.

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department if he will set up an enquiry into changes in the pattern of the commercialised exploitation of vice since the passing of the Street Offences Act, particularly with regard to the division of functions of the protector as between business manager, rent collector, housekeeper and friend, with a view to recommending any desirable further changes in the law.

The main change since the passing of the Street Offences Act has been the removal of prostitutes from the streets. Thai Act increased the maximum penalty for the offences of living on the earnings of prostitution and exercising control over a prostitute from two to seven years imprisonment. I have no evidence that a further inquiry is necessary, though I am always ready to consider any information that the hon. Member ma y wish to send me.

Premises, Soho (Police Inquiries)

71.

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department what inquiries have been made, with a view to prosecution for living on immoral earnings, of the owner of premises in Berwick Street, Soho, from the third floor of which a prostitute recently fell to her death owing £1,680 in arrears of rent.

The Commissioner of Police informs me that inquiries have been made into the circumstances of this case, but that no evidence has been found which would justify a prosecution under the Sexual Offences Act, 1956, in connection with these premises. The sum of £1,680 was an award by way of damages in an action for trespass.

Employment

Automation

72 and 73.

asked the Minister of Labour (1) in view of the rapid introduction of scientific, technological and economic innovations and the consequent disturbance in the labour market, what discussions and experiments his Department is conducting to apply these new techniques and ideas in a beneficial manner;(2) what case studies have been made by his Department of the effect of automation on jobs and employment; and what have been the results.

It is a part of the day-to-day work of the officers of my Industrial Relations Advisory Service to collect information about good practice in industry and to disseminate it more widely. The Industrial Training Bill and the several steps taken in collaboration with industry to improve the security and status of workers generally will help to ease such changes of job as technological change makes necessary. As regards the studies being made by my Department, I would refer the hon. Member to the reply which I gave to my hon. Friend the Member for Brentford and Chiswick (Mr. Dudley Smith) on 27th January. The results of the studies will be published in due course.

Nationalised Industries (Redundancy)

asked the Minister of Labour how many employees in nationalised industries are covered by redundancy or similar procedures which provide for payments in the event of redundancy.

National And Local Government Employees (Redundancy)

asked the Minister of Labour how many employees in national and local government are covered by redundancy or similar procedures which provide for payments in the event of redundancy.

There are about 530,000 civilian employees in national government and about 780,000 in local government. The former are covered by such procedures. There is statutory provision for payments to local government employees made redundant through any statutory reorganisation. Local authorities also have discretionary powers to pay gratuities on the cessation of employment for any reason including redundancy.

Science

Desalting Techniques

74.

asked the Lord President of the Council and Minister for Science what amount of money was spent on research on desalting technology for the years 1960, 1961, 1962 and 1963, respectively; and what is the estimated amount for 1964.

Apart from £3,500 spent in 1960–61 by the Tropical Products Institute of the Department of Scientific and Industrial Research on research into solar distillation techniques, no provision has been made in this field for research by the bodies for which I am responsible, until the recent offer of an earmarked grant of £34,325 to the Water Research Association to enable it to keep a closer watch on work overseas, and for a 3-year study of the economic feasibility of applying to British water supply practice the techniques for desalting sea and brackish water.

Universities

Applied Science

asked the Lord President of the Council and Minister for Science what steps he is taking to encourage the more able school leavers to enter for courses in applied science at institutions of higher education.

Her Majesty's Government have, for the last 10 years, been strenuously engaged in expanding the technological faculties of Universities and in the developments of the Colleges of Advanced Technology. This process will be continued as part of the further expansion recommended by the Robbins Committee. The Colleges of Advanced Technology will be raised to University status. At the same time the Government have been promoting publicity aimed at creating a wider understanding of the importance and interest of the applied sciences and technology. The Education Departments and the Ministry of Labour are increasing their efforts to make known to parents, schoolmasters and pupils, the many opportunities for a satisfying career in this creative field of science. I have also been encouraged by the movement within the Chartered Professional engineering bodies towards common standards of entry and qualification.

Local Government

Breton's Farm (Sewerage Reconstruction Scheme)

75.

asked the Minister of Housing and Local Government and Minister for Welsh Affairs what steps are being taken to eliminate bad smells from Breton's Farm sewerage plant during the carrying out of the regional sewerage reconstruction scheme.

The Hornchurch and Romford Joint Sewerage Committee have installed spraying apparatus at Breton's Farm and are considering whether any other temporary measures would be both practicable and effective.

76.

asked the Minister of Housing and Local Government and Minister for Welsh Affairs when he expects the Riverside-Breton's Farm sewerage reconstruction scheme to be completed; and whether he will take steps to expedite it.

The scheme should be completed in 1967; all concerned are aware of the need to do the work as quickly as possible. For his part, my right hon. Friend will give priority to all applications for approval of tenders and for loan sanction.

asked the Minister of Housing and Local Government and Minister for Welsh Affairs what is the estimated cost of the reconstruction of the Riverside sewerage plant in Dagenham to enable the Breton's Farm plant in Hornchurch to be closed as part of a regional scheme; and what financial contribution he will make.

The cost of the work necessary to relieve Breton's Farm was estimated in 1963 as £2,791,000, to close it down altogether would require further work costing £755,000. I understand that these estimates may well prove too low. My right hon. Friend has no power to contribute.

Agriculture, Fisheries And Food

Hot House Plants (Research)

asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food what research is being undertaken into the possibility that hot house plants such as tomatoes and cucumbers, irrigated with artificially fluoridated water, could produce organic fluoride, as do gidyea and gifblaar.

I am not aware of any such research, not does it appear to be necessary because, as my hon. Friend the Parliamentary Secretary to the Ministry of Health explained on 12th February to my hon. and gallant Friend the Member for Arundel and Shoreham (Captain Kerby), there is no evidence that plants growing in this country can perform this synthesis. Artificially fluoridated water presents no new hazard in this respect since any plant capable of synthesising organic fluorine compounds already obtains fluoride from water supplies naturally containing it, from fertilisers or from the soil.

Forestry Workers, Wales

asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food how many workers are employed by the Forestry Commission in Wales and in the Lleyn Forest, respectively; how many of these, in both cases, are registered under the Disabled Persons Act; and what percentage of the whole, in both cases, the numbers of disabled represents.

The following table gives the information required:

WalesLleyn Forest
Number of industrial workers employed by the Forestry Commission2,69340
Number of workers included above who are registered under the Disabled Persons Act18NIL
Workers registered under the Act as a percentage of total workers0·67

asked the Minister of Agriculture. Fisheries and Food how many workers in the Lleyn Forest operated by the Forestry Commission were established from 1951 onwards; in which years they became established; how many of these were Grade II workers at the time of their establishment; and if he will give comparable figures for Wales as a whole.

The numbers of workers established since 1951 are as follows:

WalesLleyn
195121
195243
195373
1954126
195579
195610
195710
1958461
195934
196043
19611495
1962181
196311
19646
6697
96 of the workers established in Wales were Grade II at the time of their establishment; none of these were at Lleyn Forest.

asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food to what extent the Forestry Commission consults representatives of forestry workers when applications for establishment are considered.

The basis for selection of forest workers for establishment has been agreed by the Industrial and Trade Council of the Forestry Commission. The Forestry Commission does not consult representatives of forest workers over individual cases.Any eligible worker may appeal against the refusal of his claim for establishment either directly to the Commission or through his trade union.

Fluoroacetamide

asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food whether the Advisory Committee on Poisonous Substances, in its examination of the use of fluoroacetamide as a rodenticide, has made an assessment of the quantities which may find their way into rivers and the sea through contaminated sewage effluent.

The Advisory Committee examined this point some years ago and is reconsidering it in its current review of this chemical.

asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food whether, in view of the fact that gardeners who used fluoroacetamide last year are now being warned not to grow edible crops on their contaminated soil this year but to grow flowers instead, he will issue a similar warning to farmers, in view of the fact that farmers use this poison at 10 times the strength of gardeners, and that the amount permitted to farmers to spray one acre of edible crops is lethal for dogs.

No. The Department has not issued any such general advice to gardeners.

Royal Air Force

Teaching Machines

asked the Secretary of State for Air how many branching teaching machines he is using to train Air Force personnel.

Trials started in late 1961 using hired machines. Evaluation will continue with 14 branching teaching machines now on order.

Northern Rhodesia

Independence

asked the Secretary of State for the Colonies when it is proposed to grant independence to Northern Rhodesia.

Representatives from Northern Rhodesia are to be invited to a conference in London in May to consider constitutional and other matters including the date for independence.

Tonga

Admiralty Jurisdiction

asked the Secretary of State for the Colonies if he will approach the Government of Tonga and ask whether they wish the enlarged Admiralty jurisdiction conferred upon the High Court of the United Kingdom by the Administration of Justice Act, 1956, and the terms of the Merchant Shipping (Liability of Shipowners and Others) Act, 1958, respectively, to be extended to Tonga by Orders in Council.

With regard to the part of the Question relating to the enlarged Admiralty jurisdiction conferred upon the High Court by the Administration of Justice Act, 1956, I am consulting the Government of Tonga and will write to the hon. and learned Member as soon as I receive their reply.The Government of Tonga do not wish the terms of the Merchant Shipping (Liability of Shipowners and Others) Act, 1958, to be extended to Tonga by an Order in Council. As the hon. and learned Member will be aware, this Act gives effect to the provisions of the International Convention relating to the limitation of the liability of owners of sea-going ships. The Government of Tonga have informed me that they intend to replace their own Shipping Act by further Tonga legislation which will incorporate the provisions of the Convention.

Industry, Trade And Regional Development

Company Law

asked the Secretary of State for Industry, Trade and Regional Development what study his Department is making of the findings of the Jenkins Committee on Company Law, which were published in June, 1962; and when these studies will be completed.

The Committee made over 400 recommendations affecting many important aspects of company law. My Department in consultation with others concerned, has been closely engaged in examining these recommendations, and I hope that before the end of the Session I shall be able to inform the House of the Government's proposals on the principal issues that the Committee has raised.

Frozen Concentrated Orange Juice

asked the Secretary of State for Industry, Trade and Regional Development whether he will consider removing the restrictions on imports of frozen concentrated orange juice from the dollar area; and if he will make a statement.

In accordance with requests received from the Governments of Jamaica and Trinidad and Tobago the Government have decided to remove with effect from 14th March the restrictions at present imposed on imports into the United Kingdom of frozen concentrated orange juice from the dollar area. These restrictions, which were originally imposed for balance of payments reasons, have been maintained for the benefit of the West Indies.Before deciding to do this the Government were concerned to ensure that the removal of the restrictions would not harm British Honduras.The territory's citrus exports are doing well at the present time with a substantial increase in sales of frozen concentrate to Canada, where prospects are good. The United Kingdom market for citrus products in general is likely to be buoyant and we believe that British Honduras' prospects in this market are unlikely to be adversely affected by the removal of he restrictions on imports of frozen orange concentrate.We have concluded that the removal of the restrictions would not harm British Honduras. However, if, contrary to our present expectations, British Honduras were harmed by their removal, then Her Majesty's Government would examine the position in consultation with the British Honduras Government and would consider what assistance could be given to the territory.

Public Building And Works

Brasilia (Embassy Staff)

asked the Minister of Public Building and Works what arrangements he is making to provide accommodation in Brasilia for the staff of the British Embassy when it is transferred from Rio de Janeiro to the new capital.

I propose to build accommodation in Brasilia in two stages. The first stage will consist of houses and flats design by my Ministry for the Embassy staff. These should be ready about the time the Brazilian Ministry of Foreign Affairs completes its move to Brasilia, which is expected to be towards the end of 1965. For the second stage I have invited Mr. and Mrs. Peter Smithson to design the Ambassador's Residence and Chancery Offices on which I hope building work may begin soon after the staff accommodation is completed. I am glad to say that they have accepted the commission.

Ministry Of Health

Tuberculosis, Sheffield

asked the Minister of Health how many deaths due to tuberculosis occurred in the Sheffield Regional Hospital Board's area for the years 1958, 1959, 1960, 1961, 1962, and 1963, respectively.

The figures, so far as they are available, are as follows:

DEATHS FROM ALL FORMS OF TUBERCULOSIS (I.C.D.* Nos. 001–019)
SHEFFIELD REGIONAL HOSPITAL BOARD AREA, 1958 TO 1962
Year19581959196019611962
Deaths397321308277288
NOTE: The figures relate to deaths assigned to the region as being that in which the usual residence of the deceased was situated.

* International Classification of Diseases.