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Volume 699: debated on Monday 20 July 1964

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Written Answers To Questions

Monday, 20th July, 1964

Employment

Weekly Wage Rates

asked the Minister of Labour if he will bring up to date the information given in columns 125 and 126 of Written Answers in the Official Report for 3rd December, 1962, regarding weekly wage rates in certain occupations.

The following is the information requested:

STATEMENT OF MINIMUM OR STANDARD TIME RATES OF WAGES FOR CERTAIN OCCUPATIONS AT 14TH JULY, 1964
OccupationIndustryRate of Pay Per annum
BlacksmithElectricity supply£775*
Per week
s.d.
Farriery (firemen)2450
Gas supply (maintenance)2679
Light castings2102
Shipbuilding2114
Bricklayer, carpenter and plumber.Building2573
Cabinet makerFurniture manufacture2495
CooperCoopering2590
ElectricianElectrical contracting2923
ErectorConstructional engineering2520
2520
Fitter (skilled)Civil Air Transport22711¼
Per annum
Electricity supply£775*
Per week
s.d.
Engineering2118
Instrument makerSurgical instrument and equipment manufacture2363
Per annum
JointerElectricity supply£755*
Per week
s.d.
MoulderBrass working and founding.2234
Light castings217
LocksmithLock, latch and key-making2366
PatternmakerEngineering250
Light castings2285
Lock, latch and key-making24510
PlaterGas supply (maintenance)2679
Shipbuilding2114
Plumber jointerElectrical cable making2749
PrinterPrinting and bookbinding2708
RiveterConstructional engineering2556

Occupation

Industry

Rate of Pay

Gas supply (maintenance)2679
Shipbuilding2114
Tool makerCivil Air Transport238
Lock, latch and keymaking24510
Spring manufacture (Birmingham)2136
WelderConstructional engineering2556
Gas supply (maintenance)2679
Shipbuilding2114

The normal weekly hours of work are 40 in printing and bookbinding, 41 in furniture manufacture, 41½ in lock, latch and key-making, and 42 in all the other industries quoted in the Table.

* In addition all adult male workers receive a productivity bonus of 4s. 6d. a week and workers with 2 years' or more continuous service receive a service increment of 8s. 0d. a week.

Printing Industry

3.

asked the Minister of Labour what reply he has made to the communication from the hon. Member for Ilford, North, about labour in the printing industry.

I would refer the hon. Member to my letter of 7th July advising him that under the rules of the trade union concerned his constituent can, if he so desires, appeal against a decision of his trade union branch to higher authority in the union.

School Leavers

19.

asked the Minister of Labour what is his latest estimate of vacancies to be filled in England, Scotland and Wales, respectively; what advice he has received from his regional offices about the prospects of placing in employment this year's school leavers; and what special arrangements have been made to obtain from employers up-to-date and comprehensive data about available jobs.

Vacancies notified to employment exchanges and unfilled at 10th June totalled 339, 204 in England, 17,588 in Scotland and 11,565 in Wales. Employment prospects for this summer's school leavers are good. My local officers are in day-to-day contact with employers about their immediate and prospective needs for workers and Youth Employment Officers have been canvassing employers for vacancies for the school leavers.

Aei Factory, Stoke-On-Trent (Proposed Closure)

asked the Minister of Labour if he is aware of the proposed closing of the Associated Electrical Industries factory at Trent Vale, Stoke-on-Trent; and what arrangements he is making so that the workpeople may be engaged on the manufacture of similar products.

I am aware of the proposed closure. Our local officers have already interviewed the workers at the factory and will do all they can to find suitable alternative employment for those who seek our assistance. The prospects for these workpeople are reasonably good.

Unemployed Persons And Unfilled Vacancies

asked the Minister of Labour if he will publish in the Official Report a table showing the ratio of wholly-unemployed persons to notified unfilled vacancies for each of his administrative regions at June 1961, and June, 1964.

Following is the information:

RegionRatio of Wholly Unemployed to Unfilled Vacancies with Wholly Unemployed at 100
June, 1961June, 1964
London and South Eastern265239
Eastern and Southern266272
South Western197156
Midlands243237
Yorkshire and Lincolnshire224146
North Western12266
Northern4625
Scotland3625
Wales9357
Great Britain150116

Middle East

36.

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs whether, having regard to President Nasser's declaration on 1st July of the Egyptian Government's policy regarding the inevitability of war with Israel, Her Majesty Government will seek, through the Security Council or diplomatic channels or both, an Arab-Israel conciliation conference or other appropriate meeting, and meanwhile take steps, whether by reaffirmation of the Tripartite Declaration or otherwise, to make clear to Egypt and other Powers concerned the consequences of aggression in the Middle East.

48.

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs whether he is aware that Egypt is increasing its armaments for the declared purpose of attacking Israel; and what action Her Majesty's Government are taking through the United Nations or otherwise to preserve peace in the area.

President Nasser has endorsed Mr. Khrushchev's proposal that force should be renounced in the settlement of regional differences and border disputes. As my right hon. Friend the Member for Bromley (Mr. H. Macmillan) said on 14th May, 1963, we will consult immediately with the United Nations if any threat to peace arises in the Middle East and will take whatever action we feel may be required. Meanwhile, Her Majesty's Government support the efforts of the United Nations Palestine Conciliation Commission to achieve a settlement of the dispute between the Arab States and Israel.

Hong Kong (War Damage Claims)

37.

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs whether he will make a statement about his decision not to claim from Japan war reparations on behalf of Hong Kong citizens.

I have nothing to add to the reply given by my right hon. Friend to the hon. Gentleman the Member for Dunfermline Burghs (Dr. A. Thompson) on 13th July.

Spain

41.

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs by what authority a statement was made by the British Ambassador in Madrid to the effect that the present Spanish régime had done more than its predecessors for the working classes.

Uruguay (Flag Discrimination)

42.

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs what progress has been made in the discussions between the Uruguayan authorities and Her Majesty's Ambassador at Montevideo regarding flag discrimination in favour of Uruguayan shipping.

I regret to say that no final solution has yet been reached. Her Majesty's Ambassador and the British Chargé d'Affaires in Montevideo have been in constant touch with the Uruguayan authorities who have assured them that some modification of the relevant decree is being actively considered.

Vietnam (Casualties)

43.

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs, as co-chairman of the Geneva Conference, what estimate he has received from the Control Commission of the number of deaths, military and civilian, which have occurred in Vietnam since 1959 as a result of hostilities in that country, distinguishing by nationality and including specifically British, Australian, Malaysian, American, Vietnamese, and Chinese casualties.

I have received no information of this nature from the Control Commission. It is not the responsibility of Her Majesty's Government to maintain statistics of non-British casualties in foreign countries. There has been one British casualty.

Honorary Consular Officers

44.

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs if he will publish in the OFFICIAL REPORT a list of the places where unpaid consuls have been appointed; and whether in any case expenses are paid.

Yes. The honorary consular officers at the posts shown on the list below receive either an allowance or a proportion of the fees they collect towards their expenses.

Places where honorary consular officers have been appointed:
AlgeriaDominican Republic
Bone.Puerto Plata.
Oran.San Pedro de Macoris.
Argentine Republic
Comodora Rivadavia.El Salvador
San Salvador.
La Plata.La Libertad.
Puerto Deseaso.Finland
Rio Gallegos.Hamina.
Rio Grande (Tierra del Fuego).Kotka.
Santa Cruz.Oulu (Uleaborg).
Trelew.Pori (Björneborg).
Rosario.Tampere (Tammerfors).
Cordoba
Salta.Turku (Abo).
Cipoiletti.Vaasa.
Bahia Blanca.France
BelgiumBoulogne.
Ostend.Dunkirk.
BoliviaAjaccio.
Cochabamba.Guadeloupe (Pointeà Pitre).
BrazilDieppe.
Belem.Cherbourg.
Fortalêza (Ceara).St. Malo.
Porto Alegre.Papeete (Tahiti).
Rio Grande.Reunion.
Victoria.
Curitiba.Greece
Manos.Corfu.
Santos.Samos.
Cameroon, The Federal Republic of Douala.Guatemala
Bananera.
Honduras
San Pedro Sula.
ChileTela.
Antofagasta.
Arica.Iceland
Iquique.Akureyri.
Valparaiso.Italy
Concepcion.Trieste.
Coquimbo.Messina.
Osorno.
Punta Arenas (Magallanes).Japan
Nagoya.
Colombia, Republic ofMoji.
Cali.Malagasy Republic
Barranquilla.Tamatave.
Cartagena.Mexico
Congo, RepublicGuadelajara.
Stanleyville.Guaymas.
Dahomey Republic
Cotonou.Mazatlan.
Merida.
Monterrey.
DenmarkPachuca.
Aabenraa.Tampico.
Aalborg.Tapachula.
Aarhus.Torreon.
Esbjerg.Vera Cruz.
Odense.
Thorshavn.Morocco
Klaksvig.Laraiche.

Netherlands

San Sebastian.
Aruba (Netherlands Antilles).Ceuta.
Orotava.
Paramaribo (Netherlands Antilles).Algeciras.
Cadiz.
Curacao (Netherlands Antilles).Granada.
Jerez de la Frontera.
La Linea.

Norway

Aalesund.Malaga.
Kristiansund.Fernando Po.
Stavanger.Cartagena.
Tonsberg.Vigo.
Trondheim.

Sudan

Tromso.Port Sudan.
Narvik.

Sweden

Pacific Islands

Gävle.
Tonga.Norrköping.

Peru

Sundsvall.
Trujillo.Hälsingborg.
Arequipa.Malmö.
Callao.

Switzerland

Iquitos.Lucerne.
Mollendo.Montreaux.

Phillipines

Tunisia

Cebu.Sfax.
Davao.

United States

Bacolod/lioilo.St. Thomas (Virgin Islands of U.S.A.).

Portugal

St. Vincent.Baltimore (Md.).
Vila Real de S. Antonio.Norfolk (Va.).
Setubal.

Uruguay

Fray Bentos.

South Africa

Venezuela

East London.El Cardon.

Spain

Maracaibo.
Palma.Puerto La Cruz.
Tarragona.Valencia.

Ecclesiastical Buildings (Preservation)

45.

asked the hon. Member for Dover, as Second Church Estates Commissioner, if the Church Commissioners will consider the situation arising from a recent High Court decision that a rectory house is an ecclesiastical building and therefore not a building on which a preservation order may be made; and if they will consult with the Minister of Housing and Local Government with a view to securing the preservation of such buildings if they are of special historic or architectural interest.

Yes. It is the Commissioners' practice to consult with the appropriate Government Department about proposals with which they may be concerned affecting parsonage houses which are listed under Section 32 of the Town and Country Planning Act, 1962. They will certainly continue to do so.

Diplomatic Missions (Immunity)

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs how many United Kingdom nationals below the rank of diplomatic agent and attached to British missions in the capitals of the four countries with whom Her Majesty's Government has special reciprocal arrangements will in future possess personal immunity and inviolability of residence in excess of that allowed to their rank under the provisions of the Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations; and what is the nature of their present employment in the missions concerned.

There are at present 128 United Kingdom citizens below the rank of diplomatic agent, together with 61 wives, attached to Her Majesty's Diplomatic Missions in the capitals concerned, the maintenance of whose immunity and inviolability at the present level is guaranteed by the reciprocal arrangements to which my hon. and gallant Friend refers.These individuals are employed in the administrative and technical service of Her Majesty's Missions, or as domestic servants.

Yugoslavia (Supply Of Arms)

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs what arms Her Majesty's Government are currently supplying to Yugoslavia.

It is not Her Majesty's Government's practice to disclose the details of sales of arms to foreign States.

Western European Union (Ministerial Council Meeting)

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs if he will make a statement on the meeting of the Ministerial Council of the Western European Union held in Paris.

This was the fourth quarterly meeting of the Ministerial Council of Western European Union since these meetings were resumed at The Hague in October, 1963. As is customary, there was a political and an economic day. The subjects discussed on the political day included East-West Relations, Africa South of the Sahara and South East Asia. I gave my colleagues an account of developments concerning Cyprus. On the economic day, there was an exchange of views on The Kennedy Round and the outcome of the United Nations Trade and Development Conference. We discussed certain aspects of the relations between the United Kingdom and the European Economic Community, and I made a statement about the recent European Free Trade Association Ministerial Meeting. I also took the opportunity to tell my Western European Union colleagues that we intend to arrange for a United Kingdom contribution of £7·1 million to the Inter-American Development Bank.

Public Building And Works

Royal Garrison Church, Portsmouth

49.

asked the Minister of Public Building and Works if he is aware that the Church Council of the Royal Garrison Church at Portsmouth, together with the commanding officers of various Service units, have been trying to get funds to restore part of the nave of the bombed church which is still left with no roof since the war; and whether he will now make an allocation to enable some work to be done on this building.

While my right hon. Friend the Minister of Defence for the Army and I would of course consider any specific proposal that might be made, it would be difficult to justify Government expenditure on this at the present time since I understand that the congregation using this church do not need additional accommodation.

Trafalgar Square (Trees)

50.

asked the Minister of Public Building and Works whether he will take steps to remove dead trees in Trafalgar Square and replant with large trees.

As indicated in my reply of 20th April, the existing trees will be felled this autumn. Following consultation with the Royal Fine Art Commission, I have decided that those on the north side should not be replaced immediately, so that the effect may be seen of opening up the view of and from the National Gallery. If it appears that the trees on the north side should also be replaced, this will be done later. The new trees will be plane trees about 19 ft. high.

Ancient Monuments, Chigwell And Epping And Ongar

asked the Minister of Public Building and Works what edifices in the Chigwell urban district and the Epping and Ongar rural district, respectively, are scheduled as ancient monuments.

The following monuments are scheduled under the Ancient Monuments Acts:

  • Nether Hall, Roydon.
  • Chipping Ongar Castle.
  • Loughton Camp.
  • Epping Upland, Ambresbury Banks.
  • Ongar, Moated site in Fortification Wood, Navestock.
  • Shelley, Mound on Shelley Common.
Apart from Nether Hall these monuments either are earthworks or have no upstanding remains.

Bricks

asked the Minister of Public Building and Works what types of brick are at present in short supply in Scotland.

asked the Minister of Public Building and Works (1) what local authority housing schemes are now being delayed through the current shortage of bricks;(2) what local education authority building projects are being delayed through the current shortage of bricks;(3) what major Government building contracts are now being delayed because of the current shortage of bricks.

I have had reports of delays in the supply of bricks to a number of building sites and long delivery dates are being quoted for some types of bricks. But there is no evidence of any serious or widespread delay to building projects of any kind.

asked the Minister of Public Building and Works what percentage of the bricks used in Scotland is. produced in Scotland; and how this percentage compares with the percentages for the years 1957 and 1960.

No figures are available, but I estimate that less than 5 per cent. of Scottish demands are met from bricks produced outside Scotland and that the proportion was not significantly different in 1957 and 1960.

asked the Minister of Public Building and Works what is the average delivering date at present for the supply of bricks in Scotland; and in what parts of Scotland longer than average delivery dates are being quoted.

It is not possible to quote an average delivery date for orders generally. Contractors who ordered their bricks well in advance are obtaining them when they are needed. For new orders delivery dates generally average between three and four months. The position in the east of Scotland is a little more difficult than elsewhere.

asked the Minister of Public Building and Works what are the expected delivery dates of common bricks and facing bricks, respectively, ordered in Birmingham, Leeds, Croydon, Middlesbrough, and Newcastle-upon-Tyne, respectively, this month for delivery in those towns.

Assessment of disablement (per cent)
100908070605040
s.d.s.d.s.d.s.d.s.d.s.d.s.d.
Actual pension rate—
July, 1954550496440386330276220
February, 1955676609540473406339270
January, 1958850766680596510426340
April, 1961976879780683586489390
May, 196311501036920806690576460
Equivalent at June, 1964, prices of the rate payable in—
July, 195473866358115174423610295
February, 19558968077176285384493510
January, 1958993894795696596497398
April, 196110879798611760652544435
May, 1963118101070951833714595477

The delivery dates being quoted for common bricks and facing bricks ordered this month are different for different brickmakers and merchants and it is not possible to give figures for particular localities.

Pensions And National Insurance

War Disablement Pensions (Limbless Ex-Service Men)

52.

asked the Minister of Pensions and National Insurance if he will tabulate the amount and dates of the increases granted during the last 10 years in the basis of war disablement pensions to limbless ex-Service men, indicating with figures the relation of these increases to the present cost of living, with particular reference to costs in Scotland.

I assume the hon. and learned Member is referring to the rates of the basic disablement pensions for limbless ex-private soldiers or equivalent ranks. The scheduled assessments for the loss of one or more limbs range from 40 to 100 per cent. and the table below shows the increases made in the rates over the past 10 years and the real value of those rates, on the basis of the Retail Prices Index—which applies to the United Kingdom as a whole—in terms of June, 1964, prices.Following is the information:

War Pensions And Allowances

asked the Minister of Pensions and National Insurance how the real value of the basic rates of war pensions and of the main supplementary

Present rates of pension or allowanceOctober, 1951Increase in real terms
Rate payableEquivalent at June, 1964 prices *AmountPer cent.
s.d.s.d.s.d.s.d.
100 per cent. disablement pension115045067847470·0
Unemployability supplement74035052721540·7
Unemployability supplement with Comforts allowance (from February, 1957)84035052731559·7
Constant attendance allowance500200301191166·3
Constant attendance allowance with Comforts allowance (from February, 1957)600200301291199·6
Allowance for lowered standard of occupation460200301151153·0
Widow's pension90035052737571·1
Widow's pension and elderly widow's grant (from June, 1959)100035052747590·1
Widow and two children1730570858874101·9
Widow's rent allowance34015022711550·8
* On the basis of the Retail Prices Index.

Industrial Injury Benefit (Mr L J A Richardson)

51.

asked the Minister of Pensions and National Insurance if he will reconsider the case of Mr. L. J. A. Richardson of 340, Barry Road, Barry, who was formerly paid industrial injury benefit at 30 per cent., in the light of recent correspondence from the hon. Member for Barry.

As I have explained to my hon. Friend the responsibility for determining a claim under the Industrial Injuries Acts rests with independent statutory authorities, and my right hon. Friend has no power to intervene in their decisions.

Widows (Benefits)

asked the Minister of Pensions and National Insurance if he will state the expenditure on National Insurance benefits for widows in each financial year from 1951.

allowances payable with war pensions, at the latest convenient date, compares with the October, 1951. rates.

The following table based on figures for June, 1964, gives the information:

The information is provided in the following table:

EXPENDITURE (£ MILLION)
YearWidow's benefit (1)Retirement pension paid to widows on their husband's insurance (2)Total of columns (1) and (2)
1951–522482106
1952–532893121
1953–543196127
1954–5532100132
1955–5636122158
1956–5738126164
1957–5844136180
1958–5958162220
1959–6062164226
1960–6166163229
1961–6280187267
1962–6384188272
1963–64100216316
1964–65109223332
NOTE: Estimated expenditure is given for the last two years quoted.

Ministry Of Health

Orthoptists

53.

asked the Minister of Health how many orthoptists are now employed under the National Health Service; by how many this figure falls short of the number required to provide an adequate service in all regions; and what steps he is taking to make good the shortage.

The whole-time equivalent of 209 were employed on 30th September, 1963. I regret that the information about vacancies is not available. The training is being re-organised to enable the number of students to be increased.

Dentists (Leek, Kidsgrove, Biddulph And Cheadle)

asked the Minister of Health (1) how many dental surgeons were in Leek, Kidsgrove, Biddulph and Cheadle, respectively, in the Leek constituenucy in the years 1948, 1953 and 1960; and what the number is at present;(2) how many dental surgeons are available to do work at the schools in Leek, Kidsgrove, Cheadle and Biddulph, respectively; how often the children's teeth are examined; and how long these children have to wait in order to make them dentally fit.

The numbers of dental surgeons providing treatment under the general dental services at addresses in the places named are shown in the following table:

Town194819531960Now
Leek7555
Kidsgrove2322
Biddulph3321
Cheadle2112
A dentist who now practices at both Leek and Cheadle has been shown against each town. The figures do not include assistants who have been employed by practitioners from time to time. My right hon. Friend has no information about dentists wholly in private practice.I understand from my right hon. and learned Friend the Secretary of State for Education and Science, that in addition one dentist is available in each town for work in schools, including part-time work: that school children's teeth are examined at least once every two years at Cheadle and Biddulph and every five years at Leek, but that it has not yet been possible to arrange regular inspection at Kidsgrove; the time taken to make children dentally fit depends on the extent of the treatment required.

Retired People, West Dorset

asked the Minister of Health what is the percentage of retired people to the working population in the West Dorset Parliamentary division; how this compares with the national average; what is the highest percentage of retired people in the United Kingdom; and where this situation exists.

I regret that the data from the 1961 Census of Population which is needed to answer the Question will not be available for another few months.

Dental Fitness

asked the Minister of Health if he will define the expression dentally fit; and to what extent he is prepared to adopt modern dental techniques within the health service in order to fulfil the responsibility of making the patient dentally fit.

Dental fitness is defined in the National Health Service (General Dental Services) Regulations, which I laid before Parliament last month, as:

"such a reasonable standard of dental efficiency and oral health as is necessary to safeguard general health."
Dentists are free to treat their patients by whatever techniques seem to them to be required, subject to the agreement in certain cases of the Dental Estimates Board.

Dentists (Recruitment)

asked the Minister of Health if he is aware of the growing dissatisfaction in the dental profession and that the demand for treatment by dental surgeons exceeds the supply, with the result that the general public believes there is indifference on the part of the profession; and what steps he is taking to encourage recruitment to dental surgery, in view of the fact that it is estimated that four to six times more dentists are needed than are at present available.

More dentists are needed, though nowhere near as many as the hon. Member suggests. The number available is growing and the expansion of the dental schools is going ahead steadily. There is no lack of candidates for them. I believe that the public generally appreciate the energetic response of the profession to the demand for treatment.

Mr W Jarvis

asked the Minister of Health, whether he will obtain the patholigist's report, and seek to obtain the West Ham coroner's report, on the death, of Mr. Walter Jarvis of Forest Gate, E.7, in order to make these availabl to the hon. Member for West Ham, North, before Monday, 20th July, 1964.

I understand that the West Ham coroner is sending the hon. Member a copy of the pathologist's report. The coroner himself has made no report.

Under-Doctored Areas

asked the Minister of Health which areas are now under-doctored; and what is the average size of general practitioners' lists in each of these areas.

There are 201 such areas, out of nearly 2,000, covering about 20 per cent. of the population. I am sending the hon. Member a list, and writing to him about the second part of the Question.

Doctors' Lists

asked the Minister of Health what was the average size of general practitioner lists on the latest date for which figures are available; and what were the comparable figures in each of the previous five years.

2,326 on 1st October, 1963. The comparable figures were:

1st July, 19582,267
19592,282
19602,287
1st October, 19612,292
19622,304
The figures conceal a gradually increasing amount of inflation of doctors' lists by the continued inclusion of names which should no longer be there.

General Practice

asked the Minister of Health if he will state the average number of applicants for a vacancy for a principal in general practice during the latest year for which figures are available, and the comparable figures for five and 10 years earlier.

13 during the year ended 30th September, 1963; 31 in the calendar year 1958 and 32 in 1953.

Hospitals

St Nicholas Hospital, Gosforth

54.

asked the Minister of Health how many women patients there are in the Chapel Ward of St. Nicholas Hospital, Gosforth, Newcastle-upon- Tyne; what is the average space between the beds; how many lockers and chairs there are in the ward; where the patients leave their clothes at night; and if he will make a statement on these conditions.

68; 15 inches; no lockers, 2 chairs; on the beds. Chapel Ward is used as a dormitory, the patients spending the day elsewhere. The regional board recognise that improvements are badly needed and has asked the management committee to produce a list of priorities.

Children, Nottingham (Visits By Mothers)

55.

asked the Minister of Health what steps have been taken in the Nottingham hospitals to implement the provisions of the Platt Report on the Welfare of Children in Hospital, which relate to the access of mothers to children in hospital and the provision of accommodation in hospital for mother and child.

There have been improvements in visiting hours but hospital authorities need to make further progress towards the aim of unrestricted visiting. Facilities for admission of mothers with their children are generally inadequate at present owing to accommodation difficulties.

Student Nurses

56.

asked the Minister of Health why student nurses are excluded from the special duty payments made to certain grades of nurses for Sunday and night work.

St Helen Hospital, Barnsley

57.

asked the Minister of Health what progress is being made in the preparations for the building of the new St. Helen Hospital, Barnsley; when he now expects building to commence; and what is the estimated period of con struction.

Detailed sketch plans for a substantial part of the work have been completed. Building is now expected to start in 1966. The whole scheme should take about six years to complete.

58.

asked the Minister of Health what is the most recent estimated cost of the building of the new St. Helen Hospital, Barnsley.

Out-Patients, Nottingham

59.

asked the Minister of Health what is the average waiting time for patients at the out-patients' departments of the Nottingham hospitals; and what steps are being taken to obviate lengthy periods of waiting for patients.

Waiting time for an appointment for non-urgent cases varies for different clinics, ranging from two weeks in general medicine to 12 weeks in orthopaedic surgery; waiting time in the clinics also varies; the need for additional sessions is to be considered by the regional hospital board.

Nurses And Midwives (Pay Award)

asked the Minister of Health whether he intends to implement the salary and wage increase awarded to nurses and midwives.

Agriculture, Fisheries And Food

Livestock

asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food what has been the percentage increase in the headage of livestock, showing cattle, pigs, sheep, and poultry separately, in England and Wales since 1951 and 1961, respectively.

The following is the information:

Percentage Change
June, 1951–June, 1963June, 1961–June, 1963
Total cattle and calves+8·9- 2·3
Total pigs+76·3+14·2
Total sheep and lambs+57·9+3·1
Total poultry+41·8- 0·5
NOTE: Results from the June, 1964, agricultural census will be available very shortly.

Grey Seals

60.

asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food when he intends to authorise the next cull of grey seals; and what was the cost of the last cull to Her Majesty's Government.

I have decided, in accordance with a recommendation received from the Consultative Committee on Grey Seals and Fisheries and as announced last May, to authorise a further cull of grey seals on the Farne Islands this year.The cost of the last cull, excluding salaries and travelling, was £1,000 approximately.

asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food why the skins of the last cull of grey seals were given to a commercial firm; and if he will make a statement.

The bodies from the last cull of grey seals were sold for a nominal sum to a commercial firm, on the understanding that it disposed of them. The nominal sum was arranged because of the risks involved through both the firm's inexperience of conditions on the Farne Islands and our own inability to tell it the numbers and types of seals that would be available. This, I estimate, saved the Government between £300 and £400, which it would have cost us to have disposed of the bodies ourselves.

Meat Production

asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food what has been the percentage increase in the value of meat production showing beef, pork, mutton, and poultry separately, in England and Wales since 1951 and 1961, respectively.

Output is valued at farm gate prices and in the case of fatstock the value of production therefore includes more than the value of meat alone, e.g. skin wool and hides. Separate figures for England and Wales are not available for the periods in question. The information for Great Britain, which includes the full value—i.e. fatstock value as defined above—of imported store beasts, is as follows:

PERCENTAGE INCREASES IN 1963–64* COMPARED WITH 1950–51 AND 1960–61 IN THE VALUE† OF FATSTOCK AND TABLE POULTRY PRODUCED ON AGRICULTURAL HOLDINGS IN GREAT BRITAIN
June-May years
1963–64 over 1950–511963–64 over 1960–61
Cattle and calves15828
Sheep and lambs1103
Pigs (including bacon pigs)9018
Poultry2375
* On the basis of output as forecast at mid-January, 1964.
† Valued at prices current in the years in question.

Hamsterley And Weardale Forests

asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food how much land in the Hamsterley and Wear-dale Forests has been newly planted with trees by the Forestry Commission since 1st January, 1961; how much additional land has been acquired since then; and how it has been treated.

About 440 acres, of which about 70 acres were on felled woodland, have been planted at these forests since 1961. No additional land has been acquired in the area but about 500 acres are under negotiation.

Forestry Commission Houses

asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food (1) how many Forestry Commission houses are still without a supply of electricity;(2) how many Forestry Commission houses are still without modern sanitation and bathrooms.

Of the 4,327 houses occupied by Forestry Commission staff, 515 are without a supply of electricity and 261 are without modern sanitation and bathrooms.

Food Stockpile (Inspections And Disposal)

asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food what checks were made during the first 10 days in June of the Government stock of imported tinned and other foods; by whom the checks were made; what are the scientific qualifications of the persons who made the checks; if he will state the quality and type of those foods; how many of them were during the last 10 days of June released for human consumption; and for what destinations, respectively, they were released.

Appropriate checks by qualified persons are made continuously on the different items that make up the food stockpile, but I cannot give details of inspections and disposal in the form which the hon. and learned Member asks as it is not in the national interest to disclose the composition of stocks held for emergency purposes.

Education And Science

New Town, Redditch

61 and 62.

asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science (1) when discussions will start between his Department and the new town corporation to ensure that there will be adequate recreational facilities, including youth clubs, in the new town of Redditch;

(2) what planning and what consultations have begun to ensure that the new town of Redditch will have adequate schools for all age groups.

The Development Corporation has only recently been appointed. It will be for it to discuss the educational and recreational needs of the new town with the local authorities concerned. My Department will no doubt be consulted when firm proposals for adequate facilities to match the town's growth are being considered.

Educationally Sub-Normal (Special Schools)

asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science what is the number of schools, within the framework of the National Health Service, which are available for the treatment of spastic, mongol, and thalidomide children; and what plans he has for an increase in the number of these schools in each of the next three years.

There are in England and Wales 126 boarding and 270 day special schools for the educationally sub-normal—including mongol children suitable for education in school—and 48 boarding and 80 day special schools for the physically handicapped—including children suffering from cerebral palsy and congenital limb deformities such as those due to thalidomide.Building programmes for the three years 1964–67 include 50 new special schools for the educationally sub-normal and 4 for the physically handicapped.

Dental Schools

asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science if he will give the number of new dental schools which have been opened in Great Britain since 1950, and the number of students now studying to become dental surgeons.

One: the new dental school at Cardiff (University of Wales), which will admit pre-clinical students in October this year. The total number of undergraduates in dental colleges in universities in Great Britain is at present 2,866.

Grammar And Technical School Places

asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science what steps he is taking to assist the Kent Education Committee to increase the number of grammar and technical school places in the Maidstone education division.

For the 1965–66 and 1966–67 building programmes the local education authority submitted projects to provide 210 places at the Maidstone Technical High School for Girls and 210 places at the Maidstone Grammar School for Girls. Both of these have been approved. A project for providing 270 places at the former school was included in the 1961–62 programme.

asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science if he will publish in the Official Report the number of grammar and technical school places per 1,000 children of school age in England and Wales, South-Eastern England, Kent, and the Maidstone education division, respectively.

The information is not available in the form requested by the honourable Member. The following table relates to 13 year old pupils in secondary and all-age schools maintained by local education authorities, as at January, 1963.

(a)(b)(c);
Total numbersNumber attending maintained grammar schools per thousand of Column (a) Number attending maintained technical schools per thousand of Column (a)
England and Wales631,02618826
South Eastern England *55,41317640
Kent (excluding Canterbury)22,14715888
Maidstone Divisional Executive1,836139104
* Kent, Surrey and Sussex (East and West) including County Boroughs.
These figures relate to pupils attending schools maintained by the authorities concerned, irrespective of the areas in which the pupils reside; the figures do not include pupils attending direct grant grammar and independent schools at the expense of local education authorities.

School Building, Derbyshire

asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science what was the annual value of educational building projects, by category, undertaken in

Projects Started (Value £000)School Places taken into use
YearPrimary and SecondaryFurther EducationTeacher TrainingSpecial SchoolsYouth ServiceMinor * WorksTotalPrimarySecondaryTotal
1954/551,1671713351,2322,7601,4104,170
1955/561,7171841,9011,4403,3254,765
1956/57671487191,8803,3305,210
1957/5879823718922,4804,9807,460
1958/597181368541,2802,9404,220
1959/603532225757002,1302,830
1960/614301173108572409451,185
1961/621,1692392961711,5691,2406901,930
1962/6388412355401961,298560560
1963/641,11873761991,4661,6008702,470
Total9,02574713827817799811,36314,18020,62034,800
* Local Education Authority projects only. No figures available for the years prior to 1959/60

Teacher Training Colleges

asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science how many day training colleges for teachers are at present in operation; what numbers of places are available; and what is now his programme for expanding day colleges over the next three years.

There are now 12 training colleges catering wholly for day students, with some 2,500 students in the academic year now ending. These colleges are planning to increase their aggregate student numbers to about 3,900 under the current training college expansion programme which provides for a total of 80,000 students in training by 1970. I am also exploring the possibility of establishing another day training college in London.

asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science whether he will now make a statement on the future rôle of day training colleges and technical training colleges in the provision of extra teachers, and regarding incentives designed to attract mature persons to attend these colleges.

Student numbers in the day training colleges are planned to increase by about 55 per cent. over the next few years, and there will be a substantial Derbyshire in each of the last 10 years; and what was the number of new places so provided in each of these years.

The information is as follows:increase in this year's figure of 7,800 day students attending the mainly residential colleges. As regards the technical training colleges I have at present nothing to add to the Answer given to the hon. Member for Sunderland, North (Mr. Willey) on 16th March. The standard maintenance grants for students including mature persons, are under review by the Standing Advisory Committee on Grants to Students.

Home Department

Homosexual Offences (Police Proceedings)

63.

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department why he has issued guidance that in future the consent of the Director of Public Prosecutions must be obtained before police proceedings are taken in cases of homosexual offences between adults in private premises.

Metropolitan Police Commissioner (Statement)

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department if he sanctioned the statement by the Commissioner of the Metropolitan Police regarding a matter on which Parliamentary Questions were pending; and if he will require the Commissioner to refrain from making such statements in anticipation of Ministers' Answers to Parliamentary Questions.

My right hon. Friend's approval was not required. I understand that the statement was issued the day before the Questions referred to appeared upon the Order Paper, and that the Commissioner of Police was not aware of the Questions when he issued the statement.

Assaults On Police (Penalties)

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department, in view of the fact that the present penalties are failing to deter young offenders who attack and seriously injure police in the performance of their duty, unless magistrates' courts remit such cases to a higher court, whether he will introduce legislation to increase such penalties; and if he will make a statement.

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department whether he will take steps to increase the maximum penalties for assaults and attacks on police officers by young offenders, such as have recently taken place in the West Midlands.

The penalties for assaults on police have only recently been revised in Section 51 of the Police Act, 1964, which comes into force on 1st August and provides that any person who assaults a constable in the execution of his duty shall be liable, on summary conviction, to up to six months imprisonment or, in the case of a second or subsequent offence, nine months, or to a maximum fine of £100, or both, or, on conviction on indictment, to imprisonment for up to two years, or to a fine, or both.Under other statutory provisions the maximum fine that may be imposed by a magistrates court on an offender under 14 is £10 and on an offender under 17 is £50; and courts are precluded from imposing a sentence of imprisonment on an offender under 17 and may not impose such a sentence on an offender between 17 and 21 unless there is no other appropriate method of dealing with him: but appropriate forms of custodial treatment are available for young offenders, depending on their ages.My right hon. Friend considers that these provisions are adequate.

Industry, Trade And Regional Development

The Highlands (New Industry)

65.

asked the Secretary of State for Industry, Trade and Regional Development if he will name the towns in the Highlands of Scotland into which new industries have been introduced since 1955; and who many new jobs were created as a result.

The information is not readily available. I will write to the hon. Member.

North-East (Local Authority Grants)

asked the Secretary of State for Industry, Trade and Regional Development whether he will give details of the applications for grant under Section 5 of the Local Employment Act, 1960, which have been made by local authorities in the North-East; and how many they now plan to submit.

APPLICATIONS FOR GRANT FOR SCHEMES UNDER SECTION 5 OF THE LOCAL EMPLOYMENT ACT, 1960, AND SCHEMES INCLUDED IN PROGRAMMES OF POSSIBLE FUTURE APPLICATIONS, SUBMITTED BY COUNCILS OF COUNTIES, COUNTY DISTRICTS AND COUNTY BOROUGHS IN NORTH-EAST ENGLAND
Local Authority AreasApplicationsProgramme SchemesTotals
ApprovalsUnder considerationNo. of schemesAcreageNo. of schemesAcreage
No. of schemesAcreageNo. of schemesAcreage
Northumberland (a)—
Blythe B4149131276179
Castle Ward R.D.144144
Gosforth U.D.1818
Longbenton U.D.241241
Newburn U.D.253128381
Newcastle C.B.6461814442198
Prudhoe U.D.548548
Seaton Valley U.D.7278728414562
Tynemouth C.B.1111
Wallsend B220663883
Whitley Bay B.1515
Durham (a)—
Barnard Castle R.D171229
Bishop Auckland U.D.1414
Blaydon U.D482113595
Brandon and Byshottles U.D240240
Chester-le-Street R.D.262262
Consett U.D77
Crook and Willingdon U.D22
Durham B1212
Durham R.D2424
Easington R.D.663663
Felling U.D25610351291
Gateshead C.B.81128112
Hartlepool B.11321422
Hebburn U.D.110110
Hetton le Hole U.D.12115226
Houghton le Spring U.D1212
Jarrow B1111
Lanchaster R.D.215215
Seaham U.D.16346
Sedgefield R.D.11316219
Spennymoor U.D.1671267
Stanley U.D.11961087127
Stockton on Tees B.110110
Sunderland C.B.150321871
Tow Law U.D1212
Washington U.D.1818
West Hartlepool C.B.6464
North Riding (a)—
Eston U.D11117218
Loftus U.D135135
Middlesbrough C.B.1121212
Redcar U.D238238
Saltburn and Marske U.D22
Skelton and Brotton U.D81688168
Totals591,11028144861,039(b)1732,293
(a) Schemes submitted by the County Councils of Northumberland, Durham and North Riding are shown under the appropriate local authority district.
(b) Acreages of certain schemes not yet determined.

Roads

Port Street, Evesham (Pedestrian Crossing)

67.

asked the Minister of Transport what reply he is sending to the letter addressed to him by the Town Clerk on behalf of the Borough of Evesham on 3rd July, about the need for a pedestrian crossing in Port Street, Evesham; and whether he will reconsider his previous refusal to sanction the proposal.

I have looked into this case again, but I can see no reason to alter the view expressed in a letter to my hon. Friend in January, 1963, that this is not the sort of site where a pedestrian crossing would be a sound safety measure. A reply will be sent to the borough council shortly.

Pedestrian Crossings And Subways

asked the Minister of Transport what criteria he applies in approving proposals for providing pedestrian crossings and for providing pedestrian subways.

Justification for a pedestrian crossing depends on a number of factors. The most important are the numbers of pedestrians and vehicles at the site, but these numbers would in differing circumstances be given different weight, which precludes a decision on the basis of traffic flows only. Also relevant are the conditions at the site, including width of road, existence of central refuges, the proximity of other facilities, and the attraction of the site as a natural crossing point.These factors apply also to pedestrian subways which are particularly required where the traffic is so heavy that pedestrians would have considerable difficulty in crossing on the surface, and where it would be undesirable to impede the traffic flow. The high cost of providing subways has also to be taken into account.

Leeds-Otley Trunk Road (Lighting)

asked the Minister of Transport what progress he has made in his negotiations with the Leeds Corporation for the improvement of street lighting on the Leeds-Otley trunk road from the double track road at Lawnswood to the Leeds City boundary on the northwest; and what request was received from the Leeds City Council for a grant towards the cost of the improvement of the street lighting, as offered in his reply to the hon. Member for Leeds, North-West, on 20th February, 1963.

The Leeds City Council asked for a 50 per cent. contribution towards the cost of a lighting scheme on the Leeds-Otley trunk road (A.660) from its junction with A.6120 to a point 200 feet north of Kingsley Drive. This has received my preliminary approval and tenders for the necessary equipment have been received. As soon as the design of the lighting columns which the Council wishes to erect has been approved by the Council of Industrial Design, work can proceed.

Transport

Diesel Engines (Emission Of Smoke)

asked the Minister of Transport what progress he has made in his study on the control of emission of smoke and fumes from diesel engines; and if he intends to make any regulations.

A recent investigation, conducted by the Department of Scientific and Industrial Research, suggests that the nuisance of smoke from diesel engines is on some occasions caused mainly by its density and on others mainly by its volume. Thus it may be difficult to prescribe control standards and I do not at present intend to propose further regulations for this purpose.Meanwhile, roadside checks are continuing throughout the country, and we are working on a specification for new diesel engines which will include provision against smoke.

Passengers (Insurance)

asked the Minister of Transport what action he will take in the light of the request of Mr. Justice Streatfeild at Leeds on 13th July, that something should be done to make it compulsory for people to take out insurance cover for their passengers in motor cars or on motor cycles.

While I naturally regret the tragic case which was the occasion of the learned judge's remarks, I can hold out no prospect of legislation on this subject. The Parliamentary proceedings on the Bill introduced in 1961 by the hon. Member for Loughborough (Mr. Cronin) showed that it is beset with many complications.

Road Accidents (Alcohol)

asked the Minister of Transport what figures he now has to demonstrate the proportion of road accidents throughout last year in the United Kingdom which were attributable to drink.

Special studies, conducted over many years in this country and others, have pointed to the dangers of drinking before driving. But the annual nation-wide statistics cannot show the causes of accidents and therefore they do not provide the information to answer my hon. Friend's Question. As I stated in my reply to my hon. Friend the Member for Brentford and Chiswick (Mr. Dudley Smith) on 1st July, we are considering how we can obtain better information, to supplement the national statistics; this is a complex matter involving, amongst other things, the possible application of computers for analysing more deeply and more widely than has hitherto been possible the factors relevant to road safety. In the more immediate future, I hope that investigations which are planned by the Road Research Laboratory will provide further information on the relationship between accident risks and the consumption of alcohol.

A Licences (Bulk Liquids)

asked the Minister of Transport (1) how many applications for A licences to carry bulk liquids were referred to public inquiries by licensing authorities during the last 12 months to the nearest convenient date; and who were the applicants and the objectors in each case;(2) how many applications for A licences to carry bulk liquids, referred to public inquiries by licensing authorities, were granted and how many were refused during the last 12 months to the nearest convenient date;(3) how many A licences to carry bulk liquids were granted without a public inquiry being held by the licensing authority during the last 12 months to the nearest convenient date; and to what firms they were granted.

I have asked the licensing authorities to let me have the information, and I will send it to the hon. Member when I have it.

asked the Minister of Transport how many firms hold six or less A licences to carry bulk liquids.

This information cannot be made available without a wholly disproportionate amount of work.

Shipping

Oil Pollution

asked the Minister of Transport whether he is aware that Captain William Meyer, captain of the aircraft carrier "Essex", recently deliberately unloaded oil and waste into the sea off Jutland; and, as this will pollute the sea and is liable to damage the shores of Great Britain, what action he proposes to take to protest to the United States Government and to ask that this should not happen in the future.

I have not received any report of such an incident. In any event if a warship of one country discharged oil into the sea near the coast of another country it would be for the Government of the latter country to make any appropriate representations. For these reasons Her Majesty's Government do not intend to take the action suggested by the hon. Member.

Local Government

Sewage Outfalls (Beach Pollution)

66.

asked the Minister of Housing and Local Government and Minister for Welsh Affairs what investigations have been made since the inquiry of 1958 into the possibility of beach pollution from sewage outfall.

The inquiry to which the hon. Member refers was concerned with possible risks to health from sewage discharged to the sea; its findings were conclusive and there has been no further study on those lines. But the Water Pollution Research Laboratory of the Department of Scientific and Industrial Research is carrying out an investigation into ways of improving the design and siting of sewage outfalls.

Thames Conservancy (Constitution)

asked the Minister of Housing and Local Government and Minister for Welsh Affairs when he intends to lay before Parliament the Order under the Water Resources Act relating to the new composition of the Thames Conservancy; who are the present members: and to what extent he

CONSTITUTION OF THAMES CONSERVANCY
Appointed byNumber of members nowNumber of members under the order
LOCAL AUTHORITIES:
Berkshire C.C22
Buckinghamshire C.C23
Gloucestershire C.C1
Hampshire C.C.11
Hertfordshire C.C23
Oxfordshire C.C.21
Surrey C.C34
Wiltshire C.C11
Oxford C.B.C11
Reading C.B.C11
Two Joint Committees of riparian boroughs and urban districts4
Harrow, Hillingdon, Hounslow L.B.C.'s1
Kingston, Richmond L.B.C.'s1
London C.C1
Middlesex C.C3
City of London Corporation1
Total local authority appointments2519
MINISTERS:
Agriculture, Fisheries and Food:
Persons qualified * in respect of—
(a) land drainage43
(b) agriculture2
Housing and Local Government:
(a) Persons qualified * in respect of public water supply: nominated by Metropolitan Water Board[6 direct appointments]3
others13
(b) Persons qualified * in respect of industry other than agriculture3
(c) Person appointed after consultation with users of Thames for recreation.[see next below]1
Transport:
Persons appointed after consultation with:
(a) users of Thames for recreation1[see next above]
(b) users of Thames for barge traffic1

2

(c) boat builders or boat letters1
(d) owners of pleasure boats privately used1
Total ministerial appointments917
OTHER BODIES:
Metropolitan Water Board6[3 by M.H.L.G.]
Port of London Authority11
Total others71
TOTAL NUMBER OF CONSERVATORS4137
* "Qualified" means having had experience of, and shown capacity in, or otherwise having special knowledge of, matters which relate to the subject named as it affects the Thames catchment area.

intends to reduce the number and representation of the members.

My right hon. Friends the Ministers of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food and of Transport and I laid before Parliament on 16th July, the Order conferring new functions on the Thames Conservancy and providing for alteration of its constitution. The table following compares the present constitution with that contained in the Order. 1 am sending separately to my hon. Friend a copy of the Conservancy's list of members.

Ministry Of Aviation

Pilots (Training)

asked the Minister of Aviation what was the total cost in 1961–62 and 1962–63 of training pilots ab initio to fly British civil commercial aircraft; and how much of this actual trainee flying is done outside Great Britain.

The ab initio training of commercial pilots is carried out at the College of Air Training at Hamble, and at a number of private flying schools. Information about the cost at private schools is not available. None of this training takes place abroad.

Airports (Landing Charges)

asked the Minister of Aviation, in view of the fact that much trainee flying of British civil commercial aircraft is now being carried on outside the United Kingdom, on account of high landing charges at British airports, if he will now reduce such landing charges, particularly at Prestwick Airport.

At aerodromes owned by my Department, operators are charged only 25 per cent. of the normal landing fees for training flights.

Boac (Vc10 Aircraft)

asked the Minister of Aviation if he will now make a statement on the British Overseas Airways Corporation's order for the VC10; and whether other customers have been found for VC l0's surplus to the British Overseas Airways Corporation's requirements.

I would refer the hon. Member to the statement I made in the House today.

Gilbert And Ellice Islands

Development Plan

asked the Secretary of State for Commonwealth Relations and the Colonies what plans are being prepared for the economic development of the Gilbert and Ellice Islands Colony; and whether these will be adequate to provide work and livelihood for the increasing population of the Colony.

The Development Plan for the three years ending on the 31st March, 1966, provides for the expenditure of nearly £480,000. Of this amount about £185,000 is for economic projects such as the improvement of the coconut industry; and pigs and poultry scheme and the development of fisheries.There are inevitably limits to the economic potential of these small and scattered islets, and the voluntary resettlement of as many of the population as can be absorbed elsewhere where there are better opportunities is being actively pursued.

Education

asked the Secretary of State for Commonwealth Relations and the Colonies what proportion of the children in the Gilbert and Ellice Islands Colony are able to attend school; and what steps are being taken to provide primary and secondary education for all the children in the Colony.

Primary education for all children between the ages of 6 and 16 is compulsory in the Gilbert and Ellice Islands Colony. I would pay a warm tribute to the work of the missions which has made this possible.Secondary education is provided for boys at the King George V School and for girls at the Elaine Bernacchi School. Both schools are Government maintained. There are also six secondary schools run by the voluntary missions but four of these schools are of lower secondary standard.In addition a number of scholarships are awarded annually to selected students to provide higher secondary education and other training overseas.

Ministry Of Power

North Sea (Exploration Licences)

asked the Minister of Power how many applications he has received to date from companies or consortia contemplating exploration in the North Sea pursuant to the Continental Shelf Act, 1964, and what total area is covered by the applications.

12 applications for exploration licences were received up to 16th July. All these applications relate to the whole of the area designated under Section 1(7) of the Act and those parts of the territorial sea not already subject to an exclusive licence. I think it would be best not to give information about applications for production licences until after 20th July which is the closing date.

Scotland

Border Counties (Depopulation)

asked the Secretary of State for Scotland what progress is being made by his Department in investigating the conditions relating to the depopulation in the Border Counties and the South-East of Scotland generally; and if he will make an interim statement.

Since my hon. and gallant Friend was given an account of this study in the Adjournment Debate on 23rd March, a great deal of detailed work has been carried out on the potential of the different parts of the Borders for physical development, and on studies of migration trends and population structure. We have also had most helpful discussions with the tweed industry which have led us to a much better understanding of their labour requirements; similar discussions with the knitwear industry are in progress. On the rather different problems of the eastern part of the area, which arise on both sides of the Border, liaison has been established with the North East Development Group; special attention is being given to the forward requirements of the agricultural industry and the difficulties of small country towns.

Trawler Subsidies

asked the Secretary of State for Scotland what communications he has had from the Aberdeen Fishery Vessel Owners Association and other relevant associations about the recent cut in trawler subsidies; and what steps he plans to take regarding its requests.

I discussed proposed subsidy rates with the Scottish Trawlers 'Federation, which comprises the Aberdeen Fishing Vessels Owners' Association and the Newhaven and Granton Trawler Owners' Association, on 30th June. The House has since debated and approved the White Fish Subsidy (United Kingdom) Scheme, 1964, which sets out the rates for the period starting on 1st August.