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Written Answers

Volume 702: debated on Friday 20 November 1964

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Written Answers To Questions

Friday, 20th November, 1964

Agriculture, Fisheries And Food

Apple Growers, Suffolk And Kent

asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food if he will give details of the estimated net pre-tax profits both per acre and as a return on net assets of apple growers in Suffolk and Kent, respectively, for the years 1961, 1962 and 1963, and the prospects for 1964.

National Finance

Post-War Credits

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer what is the policy of Her Majesty's Government with regard to the repayment of post-war credits irrespective of the age of those holding the credits; and whether Her Majesty's Government will allow outstanding credits to be transferred to other funds where interest can be paid or accumulated in the normal way.

I have no statement to make at present on the first part of the hon. Lady's Question. In reply to the second part, I would remind her that compound interest at 2½ per cent. per annum has been accruing on unpaid credits since 1st October, 1959.

Pension Increases (Tax)

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer how much of the recent pension increases he estimates he will receive back in tax.

Under-Developed Countries (Aid)

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer what is the total amount of aid to under-developed countries included in the 1964 estimate of the balance of payments.

Disbursements of economic aid to the developing countries amounted to £103·7 million in the first half of 1964. This compares with £157·8 million in the year 1963. Figures for the third and fourth quarters of 1964 will appear in the December, 1964, and March, 1965, issues of Financial Statistics, published by Her Majesty's Stationery Office.

Balance Of Trade

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer if he will split his estimate of the adverse balance of payments for 1964 of £700 million to £800 million into visible balance, invisible balance, long-term capital balance, and balancing item, respectively.

15 Per Cent Surcharge (Waterguard Officers' Instructions)

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer what instructions were given to the officers of the Waterguard as to the application of the 15 per cent. Surcharge; when these instructions were issued; and on what date they came into effect.

Preliminary instructions were given to Waterguard officers on 26th October, 1964, the date when the temporary import charge was announced and were amplified before midnight on 12th November, 1964, the time after which the charge was first collected. The charge was not collected on goods imported in passengers' accompanied baggage before that time.

Customs Officers (Motor Cars)

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer what progress has been made with the experiment to provide small cars for patrolling Customs coast preventive men in place of the motor cycles they now use.

The experiment is progressing according to plan. The trials to establish the relative merits of light cars and motor cycles for use on patrols by Customs Coast Preventive Men will continue until the end of the year. I will let the hon. Member know the result as soon as I can.

Boot And Shoe Leather (Surcharge)

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer whether he is aware that one quarter of the finished leather used in boot and shoe manufacture has to be imported; and if he will give consideration to this when reviewing the import surcharge.

We have not found it practicable or desirable to attempt to select materials to which the charge applies on any basis of availability from domestic sources. All aspects of the charge will be kept under continuous review.

National Gallery (Cezanne Painting)

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer if he will make a statement about Government assistance to the National Gallery towards the purchase of a picture by Cezanne.

Yes. The National Gallery has for some months been negotiating for the purchase of an outstanding late painting by Cezanne, known as "Les Grandes Baigneuses". A private donor, who wishes to remain anonymous, is most generously contributing nearly half the total purchase price. The National Gallery Trustees have undertaken to provide £25,000 from the Gallery's present resources and to contribute £100,000 from their purchase grant for 1965–66 towards the cost of the picture. In view of the great importance which the Trustees attach to this acquisition, the Government have decided to authorise, subject to the approval of Parliament, a special grant of £125,000. A Supplementary Estimate will be presented in due course. Meanwhile the amount of the special grant, together with an advance of £100,000 against the Gallery's purchase grant for 1965–66, will be made available from the Civil Contingencies Fund.

Ministry Of Aviation

Aircraft Industry (Employment)

asked the Minister of Aviation what consultations he has had, or will be having, with the trade unions in the aviation industry to ensure continuity of employment as readjustments of Government policy are made in relation to the industry from time to time.

I would refer the hon. Member to the reply I gave on 11th November to the hon. Member for Coventry, North (Mr. Edelman) to which I have nothing further to add at present.

Air Corporations (Wages And Working Conditions)

asked the Minister of Aviation what instructions he has given to the airways Corporations about their statutory obligation to consult organisations representing their workers on the wages and working conditions of those workers.

The National Joint Council for Civil Air Transport provides the machinery envisaged in the Air Corporations Act, 1949, for discussion of matters of mutual interest to the Corporations and persons employed by them. The use of this machinery is well established and I see no occasion for any general direction on the matter.

Black Knight

asked the Minister of Aviation how many scientists, engineers, and technicians are employed on the Black Knight project at the present time.

Blue Streak

asked the Minister of Aviation how many scientists, engineers and technicians are employed on the Blue Streak project in the United Kingdom and in Australia at the present time.

On 30th September the United Kingdom was employing 459 scientists and engineers and 502 technicians on the Blue Streak project, of which 43 scientists and engineers and 85 technicians were in Australia.

Hospitals

Admissions, Croydon And Warlingham

asked the Minister of Health how many people are on the waiting list for a bed in the Croydon and Warlingham Park Hospital Group; and what is the average waiting time for admission, other than in acute and emergency cases.

2,914 at 30th September; a figure of average waiting time for admission is not available.

Public Building And Works

Tate Gallery

asked the Minister of Public Building and Works when the proposed new extension to the Tate Gallery will be commenced.

I hope to receive early next year the report from the firm of architects who have been commis-

£m.
1st January 196431st October 196431st December 1964
Section 1918·71,016·11,040
Section 2 (other than amounts outstanding under economic assistance loans)190·5288·3315
Total1,109·21,304·41,355
Amounts outstanding under economic assistance loans193·5241·5257

sioned to carry out a feasibility study showing how an extension could be carried out on the present site, and at what cost. A date for the start of work will be fixed as soon as a scheme has been agreed.

Richmond Park (Military Camp)

asked the Minister of Public Building and Works whether the wartime military camp is to be removed from Richmond Park.

Yes. Demolition of the camp will start next week and should be completed next summer. As the area will then have to be reinstated, a further year is likely to be needed before it will be fit to be re-opened to the public.

Trade And Commerce

Export Guarantees

asked the President of the Board of Trade what the total outstanding guarantees of the Export Credits Guarantee Department amounted to on 1st January, 1964, and on 26th October, 1964; and what is his estimate for 31st December, 1964.

The figures of E.C.G.D. liability under guarantees current at 1st January, 1964, and 31st October, 1964 (the nearest convenient date to 26th October, 1964), and estimates for 31st December, 1964, are as follows:

Office Building (Control)

asked the President of the Board of Trade whether he will make a further statement about the control of office building.

An office development permit will be needed for building or rebuilding which involves the provision of office space, whether or not it is in an office building, for example, office space in a warehouse, shop or factory building, as well as for the change of use of existing premises to office space. In the case of factories within the Greater London Council area, however, for which planning permission covering both industrial and office floor space was given before 5th November, and for which the Board of Trade had granted an industrial development certificate in respect of the industrial floor space, a permit will not be required in respect of the office floor space.Planning permission, for this purpose and for the purpose of the other exemptions referred to in the statement by the First Secretary of State on 4th November, means either an outline or a detailed planning permission.Applications for office development permits cannot yet be considered; I shall make a further statement as soon as possible.

Commonwealth Relations

Commonwealth Countries (Entry Permits)

asked the Secretary of State for Commonwealth Relations which Commonwealth countries allow unrestricted entry by British citizens seeking to land with a view to obtaining employment; which Commonwealth countries permit this subject to conditions; what the the conditions imposed in each case; and if he will make a statement.

Regulations governing entry into and employment in another Commonwealth country are entirely the responsibility of the Government of that country and only that Government can give an authoritative interpretation of them. United Kingdom citizens seeking information about such regulations would be advised to apply to the High Commissioner's office of the commonwealth country they wished to enter.

Roads

East Fareham Schemes

asked the Minister of Transport what are the dates laid down in the road programme for the construction of an inner by-pass in East Fareham and the reconstruction of the Station Bridge and the improving of its approaches in West Fareham; and on what dates these two schemes were placed in the programme.

The East Fareham scheme is in the classified road programme announced in December, 1963, and it is expected by the highway authority to be started in 1966–67. The other scheme is in the 1967–68 extension to the trunk road programme announced in October, 1963.

A12 (Ipswich And Martlesham)

asked the Minister of Transport whether he will authorise a 40 miles per hour speed limit on the A.12 between Ipswich and Martlesham.

No. The conditions on this stretch of road do not justify a speed limit.

Road Accidents (Posters)

asked the Minister of Transport if he will stop the distribution of the three road accident posters, classed by himself as horrific, which have been condemned by the British Safety Council and leading psychologists and psychiatrists; and if he will take immediate steps designed to stiffen the tests and penalties for motorists who drink and drive.

No. These posters are part of the campaign, which overall has an informative and positive theme. They show something of the gruesome and tragic consequences which can follow from driving after drinking. We must bring about a change in social attitudes to reduce the number of deaths and injuries this causes. I believe that by arresting attention these posters will help. Before considering whether any further strengthening of the law is necessary, I shall await the results of the campaign and of the special investigations which the Road Research Laboratory are undertaking during December and January.

Employment

Perth

asked the Minister of Labour how many people were unemployed in Perth at the latest count; what proportion of the insured population this represents; and what were the figures in the same month of 1960, 1961, 1962, and 1963.

The following is the information:

UNEMPLOYMENT IN THE PERTH EMPLOYMENT EXCHANGE AREA
DateNumber UnemployedPercentage
November, 19645411·9
November, 19634991·8
November, 19624791·8
November, 19613641·4
November,19603191·3
NOTE:The percentages given are those for the Perth travel-to-work group which also includes Crieff.

asked the Minister of Labour how many insured employees were in employment in Perth in June, 1960, 1961, 1962, 1963; and when he expects the June, 1964, figure to be available.

The following is the information for the mid-year:

Estimated Numbers of employees in employment in the Perth Employment Exchange Area:
196027,200
196127,800
196228,200
196327,800
The figure for mid-1964 will not be available until the end of April, 1965.

Foreign Countries (Entry Permits)

asked the Minister of State for Foreign Affairs which foreign countries allow unrestricted entry by British citizens seeking to land with a view to obtaining employment; which countries permit this subject to conditions; what are the conditions imposed in each case; and if he will make a statement.

Regulations governing entry into and employment in a foreign country are the responsibility of the Government of that country. British citizens seeking information about such regulations would be advised to apply to the diplomatic or consular representatives of the country concerned

Overseas Development

University Of Zambia

asked the Minister of Overseas Development whether she will make a statement about aid for the new University of Zambia, in the light of Dr. Kaunda's recent visit

I discussed the needs of the new University of Zambia with Dr. Kaunda during his visit. Britain has from the outset given, and plans to continue to give, technical aid to this important development, which is based on plans drawn up in a report of an international expert mission led by Sir John Lockwood. The capital cost of the University over the next few years is rather more than £2 million. It is expected that the Zambia Government themselves will contribute substantially towards this. I told Dr. Kaunda that the British Government was prepared, subject to Parliament voting the necessary funds, to agree in advance of general discussions about development, to contribute £1 million towards the capital costs of the academic buildings, staff housing, and equipment

Local Government

Oxford And Cambridge Universities (Rates)

asked the Minister of Housing and Local Government what progress has been made in his discussions with the Chancellor of the Exchequer upon the possibility of special grants being made to Oxford and Cambridge colleges through the University Grants Committee in lieu of rates

Office Building, London

asked the Minister of Housing and Local Government if he will give the following figures in respect of office building in the City of London, namely, the area of office space in 1939; the amount destroyed by war or demolished since 1939; the area of new office space completed since 1939; the area under construction; and the amount for which planning consent has been

Commissions and committeesNameTerms of ReferenceEstimated date of Report
Royal Commission on the penal SystemThe Rt. Hon. Viscount Amory, G.C.M.G.In the light of modern knowledge of crime and its causes and of modern penal practice here and abroad, to re-examine the concepts and purposes which should underlie the punishment and treatment of offenders in England and Wales; to report how far they are realised by the penalties and methods of treatment available to the courts, and whether any changes in these, or in the arrangements and responsibility for selecting the sentences to be imposed on particular offenders, are desirable: to review the work of the services and institutions dealing with offenders and the responsibility for their administration: and to make recommendations.Not yet known
Legal RecordsLord DenningTo consider the classes of records existing or accruing in the Supreme Court, the District Registries of the High Court, the High Court of Bankruptcy, the County Courts, the Court of Criminal Appeal and the Courts-Martial Appeal Court Assizes, the Central Criminal Court, the Crown Courts of Liverpool and Manchester, Quarter Sessions and Magistrates' Courts, and those transferred to the Public Record Office, and to advise which classes of those records should be permanently preserved and for what purposes and to recommend the periods for which theSpring, 1965

given but on which construction has not yet started.

The figures for the City of London are as follows:

Million Square Feet
(i) Area of office space in 193937·6
(ii) Amount destroyed by war or demolished since 19398·3
(iii) Area of new office space completed since 193916·8
(iv) Area under construction3·7
(v) Amount for which planning consent given but construction not started2·6

Commissions And Committees(Reports)

asked the Prime Minister if he will publish details of each commission or committee appointed by Her Majesty's Government since January 1962 which has not yet reported, showing its name, chairman, terms of reference, and estimated date of report

Commissions and committees

Name

Terms of Reference

Estimated date of Report

Legal Records—cont.Lord Denning—cont.other classes of those records should be retained; and to advise whether, with a view to saving storage space, any arrangements should be made for the microfilming of any of the above mentioned legal records.spring, 1965—cont.
Positive Covenants Affecting LandLord WilberforceTo consider whether and to what extent it is desirable to amend the law relating to the enforcement and assignability of positive covenants affecting land.Spring, 1965
Court of Criminal AppealLord Donovan(1) Whether it would be in the public interest to transfer the hearing of all or some of the cases now heard by the Court of Criminal Appeal (namely appeals and applications for leave to appeal against conviction, appeals against sentence and references by the Home Secretary) to the Court of Appeal or some other Court; and if so as to the manner in which that Court should be constituted, the powers it should have and the procedure to be followed.(2) If in the view of the Committee the Court of Criminal Appeal should retain the whole or part of its current jurisdiction whether any and, if so. What changes are desirableAutumn, 1965
(a) in the constitution powers, practice and procedure of the Court;
(b) in the system and procedure for giving notice of appeals and applications and in the functions and practice of the Criminal Appeal Office.
Succession Rights of Illegitimate PersonsThe Rt. Hon. Lord Justice RussellTo consider whether any alterations are desirable in the law of succession to property in England and Wales and in Scotland in relation to illegitimate persons.Summer, 1965
Mechanical Recording of Court ProceedingsThe Hon. Mr. Justice BakerTo consider and advise on schemes for mechanical recording of court proceedings for the transcription of material so recorded, and all matters incidental thereto.Not yet known
Pricing of Aviation ContractsSir John Lang, G.C.B.To investigate the circumstances in which the prices agreed by the Ministry of Aviation for a contract for the supply of guided weapons may have allowed an excessive profit to the firm concerned; and to recommend whether any changes in organisation or procedure are necessary to ensure a better assessment of prices for similar contracts in the future.Mid-December, 1964 (Second Report)
(The first part of the report, on the first part of the terms of reference, published in July, 1964.)

Commissions and committees

Name

Terms of Reference

Estimated date of Report

Social StudiesThe Rt. Hon. Lord HeyworthTo review the research at present being done in the field of social studies in Government Departments, Universities, and other institutions, and to advise whether changes are needed in the arrangements for supporting and co-ordinating this research.Spring, 1965
Jury ServiceThe Rt. Hon. Lord Morris of Borth-y-Gest, C.B.E., M.CTo enquire in to the law and practice in England and Wales regarding the qualifications for, exemptions from, and conditions of jury service, and related matters; and to make recommendations.January, 1965
Experiments on Living AnimalsSir Sydney LittlewoodTo consider the present control over experiments on living animals and to consider whether, and if so what, changes are desirable in the law or its administration.Early, 1964
Criminal StatisticsMr. Wilfred PerksTo consider and report what changes, if any, are desirable in existing arrangements in England and Wales for the recording and reporting for statistical purposes of information about criminal offences and proceedings, and about non-criminal proceedings in magistrates' courts, and in the collection and presentation of statistics relating to these matters.1966
Licensing PlanningMr. J. Ramsay Willis, Q.C.To consider and report whether:—1965
(a)in war-damaged areas to which Part II of the Licensing Act 1953 applies, there is a continuing need for the licensing planning machinery for which it provides:
(b)in other areas of major redevelopment or more generally there is a need for this or other machinery for securing that the number, nature and distribution of licensed premises accord with local requirements; and
(c)in either case, if there is such a need, the machinery should apply to on-licences only or also to off-licences.
Coroners and Death CertificationMr. Norman Brodrick, Q.C.To review:—Not yet known
(a)the law and practice relating to the issues of medical certificates of the cause of death and for the disposal of dead bodies; and
(b)the law and practice relating to coroners and coroners' courts, the reporting of deaths to the coroner and related matters and to advise whether any changes are desirable.

Commissions and Committees

Name

Terms of Reference

Estimated date of Report

Sheriff CourtsThe Rt. Hon. Lord Grant, Q.C.(1)to inquire into the appropriate function of the Sheriff Court in the administration of the Civil and Criminal Law in Scotland, and to consider its constitution and jurisdiction in relation thereto;Early, 1966
(2) to consider the number and distribution of Sheriff Courts;
(3) to inquire into the present organisation, practice and procedure of the Sheriff Court;
(4) to inquire into the existing rights of appeal from decision of the Sheriff Court in Civil and Criminal cases;
(5) to consider what changes, if any, might be desirable in respect of any said matters in order to secure more speedy, economical and satisfactory despatch of Civil and Criminal business; and to report.
Scottish Criminal StatisticsMr. A. Thomson, Q. C.To review the present arrangements for the recording, reporting, collection and presentation of the Scottish Criminal Statistics and to report what changes, if any, may be desirable.Not yet known
General Medical Services in the Highlands and IslandsSheriff Harald R. Leslie, C.B.E., T.D., Q.C.To consider the arrangements for the provision of General Medical Services in the Highlands and Islands within the framework of the Health Services generally; and to make recommendations.1966
Conveyancing Legislation and PracticeProfessor J.M. HallidayTo examine and report on existing Conveyancing Legislation and Practice in relation to heritable and moveable property and to make recommendations with a view to amending or new legislation.Late 1965
Conditions of Service of Teachers in Further Education in ScotlandMr. A. G. Rodger, O.B.E.To review the conditions of service of teachers engaged whole-time in further education in the light of developments since 1955; to consider what changes may be necessary and to report.April, 1965
Scottish Salmon and Trout FisheriesThe Rt. Hon. Lord Hunter, Q.C.To consider the law relating to salmon and trout fisheries in Scotland, including the Tweed (Summary).May, 1965
Working Party on Pensions for Teacher's Widows and other DependantsMr. W. Pile M.B.E.In the light of the report of the working party appointed by the associations of local education authorities and education committees, the London County Council and the Teachers' associations, to prepare a scheme or schemes of pensions for widows, widowers, children and other dependants of teachers in England and Wales for consideration by the Minister and the bodies represented on the working party.Towards the end of 1964
The Lewis CommitteeProfessor M. M. LewisTo consider the place, if any, of finger spelling and signing in the education of the deaf.Late Autumn, 1966

Commissions and Committees

Name

Terms of Reference

Estimated date of Report

Audio-Visual Aids in Higher Scientific EducationDr. Brynmor Jones, M.B.E.To survey the current use of audiovisual aids in teaching and research in the pure and applied sciences in institutions of higher education in Great Britain and, taking into account their use in similar fields in comparable institutions in selected countries overseas, to assess their potential usefulness and possible lines of development in Great Britain; and to report.Early 1965
London Housing SurveySir Milner Holland. C.B.E., Q.CTo survey the housing situation in Greater London (as defined in the London Government Act, 1963) with particular reference to the use, maintenance and management of rented accommodation, whether privately or publicly owned, and to the relations between the occupiers of rented accommodation and private land lords.Early 1965
People in Local Government:
1. Management CommitteeSir John Maud, G.C.B., C.B.E.To consider in the light of modern conditions, how local government might best continue to attract and retain people (both elected representatives and principal officers) of the calibre necessary to ensure its maximum effectiveness.Summer, 1965
2. Staffing CommitteeSir George Mallaby, K.C.M.G., O.B.E.To consider the existing methods of recruiting local government officers and of using them; and what changes might help local authorities to get the best possible service and help their officers to give it.
(These two committees were set up by the Minister of Housing and Local Government at the request of the four main local authority associations.)
Chemical Analysis of Sewage, Sewage Effluents and Trade EffluentsDr. A. KeyTo revise the report entitled "Methods of Chemical Analysis as applied to Sewage and Sewage Effluents", and now to include Trade Effluents.1967 (at the earliest)
Disposal of Toxic WastesDr. A. KeyTo consider present methods of disposal of solid and semi-solid toxic wastes from the chemical and allied industries, to examine suggestions for improvement, and to advise what, if any, changes are desirable in current practice, in the facilities available for disposal, and in control arrangements, in order to ensure that such wastes are disposed of safely and without the risk of polluting water supplies and rivers.1966 (at the earliest)
Legal Status of the Welsh LanguageSir David Hughes-Parry, Q.C.To clarify the legal status of the Welsh language and to consider whether any changes in the law ought to be sought.Early 1965

Commissions and Committees

Name

Terms of Reference

Estimated date of Report

The Present Dispute in the Port Transport Industry Decasualisation, and causes of dissension in the industry and other matters affecting efficiency of workingThe Rt. Hon. Lord DevlinTo inquire into: (1) the causes and circumstances of the present dispute between the two sides of the National Joint Council for the Port Transport Industry:(2) decasualisation:(3) causes of dissension in the industry and other matters affecting efficiency of working; and to report.First report shortly
Statutory HoldingsProfessor M. J. Wise, M.C.To review and report on the working of existing legislation relating to smallholdings provided by County Councils and other authorities in England and Wales, to investigate their economic position in relation to estates owned or managed by them and their current management problems having regard to their statutory responsibilities; and to advise in the light of this review:—Not before the end of 1965.
(a) on the future provision that should be made for smallholdings, including their use and management, and on any statutory or other changes that might accordingly be desirable having regard to all relevant factors, including developments in general agricultural policy and practice;
(b) on the form which any future financial support might take;
(c) on the division of administrative responsibility between central and local government or other authorities.
Conditions in Intensive Systems of Livestock HusbandryProfessor F. W. Rogers Brambell,To examine the conditions in which livestock are kept under systems of intensive husbandry and to advise whether standards ought to be set in the interests of their welfare and if so what they should be.Not yet known
Licensing of Road Goods TransportLord Geddes, C.B.E.In the light of present-day conditions, to examine the operation and effects of the system of carriers' licences first introduced by the Road and Rail Traffic Act 1933 and as subsequently modified by statute; and to make recommendations.Not yet known
Assessment of DisablementThe Rt. Hon. Lord McCorquodale of NewtonTo examine Schedule 1 and Schedule 3, Table 1 to the Royal Warrant of 24th May, 1949 (Cmd. 7699) and Schedule 2 to the National Insurance (Industrial Injuries) (Benefit) Regulations 1964 (S.I. 1964 No. 504) which relate to the assessment of certain disablement andNor yet known
(i) to consider in the light of any relevant developments since 1948, whether any, and if so what, modification in the lists of specified disablements, or variation in the assessments of such disablements, is desirable; and
(ii) to consider whether there is any case for special provision by way of supplementary compensation confined to disablement due to amputation, either generally or in relation to advancing age; and to report.

Commissions and Committees

Name

Terms of Reference

Estimated date of Report

Drug AddictionLord BrainTo consider whether in the light of recent experience the advice the committee gave in 1961 in relation to the prescribing of addictive drugs by doctors needs revising and if so to make recommendations.Early 1965
Senior Nursing Staff StructureMr. B. SalmonTo advise on the senior nursing staff structure in the hospital service (ward sister and above), the administrative functions of the respective grades, and the methods of preparing staff for them.September, 1965
AgrémentSir Donald Gibson, C.B.E.To examine the origins, purpose and operations of the French Agrément System; to consider whether there is a need in the United Kingdom for arrangements for testing and proving materials, components and methods of building of a more formal nature than those which already exist, and, if so, to examine questions of organisation and finance; to obtain the views of interested organisations, particularly those in the building industry and the associated professions; and to make recommendations.Mid-1965 or earlier