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Written Answers

Volume 708: debated on Monday 15 March 1965

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Written Answers To Questions

Monday, 15th March, 1965

Public Building And Works

Public Buildings (Heating)

9.

asked the Minister of Public Building and Works what consideration he has given to deciding what form of fuel to use for the purpose of heating Government buildings.

I have nothing to add to the replies given to my hon. Friend the Member for Liverpool, West Derby (Mr. Ogden) on 8th March and to my hon. Friend the Member for Ince (Mr. McGuire) on 10th March.

Brickmaking

13.

asked the Minister of Public Building and Works whether he will investigate the possibility of combining sugar beet processing with brick making, with a view to stepping up brick production in the United Kingdom.

Seasonal workers from sugar beet processing might find work in the brickyards in the spring and summer, but the possibilities are likely to be limited and most of them seem to have other opportunities of employment.

Tower Of London

14.

asked the Minister of Public Building and Works when work is to be resumed at the Tower of London on a building for displaying the Royal jewels to tourists.

15.

asked the Minister of Public Building and Works what was the number of visitors to the Tower of London in each of the last three years.

Sand And Gravel

26.

asked the Minister of Public Building and Works if he will publish in the OFFICIAL REPORT the estimated output of sand and gravel likely to be available over the next five years in each administrative county from deposits which have either been earmarked for extraction in current development plans, or for which planning permission has already been given; and in each case what additional output is likely to be required to meet the demands of the construction industries over the same period.

I regret that I cannot provide the information in the form requested. I will publish later this year a broad estimate of future demand to supersede the results of the last survey which were published in 1961. I am satisfied that output of sand and gravel will in general match demand during the next five years.

New Houses (Prices)

28 and 29.

asked the Minister of Public Building and Works (1) what proportion of the 46 per cent. increase between 1958 and 1964 in the prices of houses for private owners was accounted for by the increase in land prices;(2) in view of the rise in the index of prices of new houses for private owners from 100 in the fourth quarter of 1958 to 146 in the fourth quarter of 1964, if he will state the average increase in building materials prices and building trade wages in the same period.

During the period from 1958 to 1964 the average price of building materials rose by 15 per cent. and average monthly earnings of construction workers rose by 45 per cent. There is no index of land prices.

Canadian Timber-Framed Prefabricated Houses

32.

asked the Minister of Public Building and Works whether, in view of the advantages of timber-framed houses, and in view of the importance of trade relations with Canada, he will encourage this type of construction.

asked the Minister of Public Building and Works whether, in view of the increased cost of timber imports into this country in 1964, he still intends to proceed with his scheme for encouraging the building over here of Canadian timber-framed prefabricated homes requiring $1,000 worth of imported lumber per unit.

My right hon. Friend is encouraging the building of Canadian timber-framed prefabricated houses, bearing in mind inter alia the great importance of increasing the productivity of the building industry.

Cement

asked the Minister of Public Building and Works if he is aware of the need for an adequate supply of cement for the building and construction industries; and whether he will make a statement on Government policy.

Since last autumn the Department has been discussing with the cement manufacturers the future level of demand for cement and their plans for increasing manufacturing capacity. New capacity is being provided at Westbury in Wiltshire, Weardale in County Durham, at Tunstead in Derbyshire, and Padeswood in Flintshire. The first two are expected to be in production by the autumn of 1965, and the second two by about the end of the year.There are further plans for future extensions, but these are still subject to planning or other considerations and it is not yet possible to give specific dates for their operation or capacity. As a temporary measure six disused kilns in Kent are being brought back into use and supplies of cement clinker for grinding are being imported by the industry.We are, however worried about possible shortages in the next few months.

Building Materials

asked the Minister of Public Building and Works if he will make a statement on the current supply position of building materials; and whether he is satisfied that the present position will not jeopardise the house-building programme.

I have investigated the supply of all the key materials, including those which caused concern in 1964 and I am continuing to watch the position very closely. I expect the present difficulties to diminish during this year in most cases as a result of increases in production, but there may be difficulties over cement during the next few months. With the exception of wood and wood products, imports of most building materials are a very small percentage of home production.

asked the Minister of Public Building and Works whether he will arrange for the regular publication by the National Building Agency of a list of the main building materials with indication of the approximate delay in delivery dates in various parts of the country, with a view to making it more possible for those responsible for building to switch to materials which are in less short supply than others.

No. This would be a matter for my right hon. Friend's Ministry rather than for the National Building Agency.

New Houses (Scotland)

asked the Minister of Public Building and Works how the increase in price of new houses and of building materials has affected the building and number of new houses in Scotland, with particular reference to Aberdeen.

The output of houses in Scotland does not appear to have been affected by increases in the price of houses or building materials.

House Of Commons Catering

45.

asked the hon. Member for Liverpool, Exchange (Mrs. Braddock) as Chairman of the Kitchen Committee, why the price of custard in the Westminster Hall canteen has risen by 200 per cent. from 1d. to 3d.

In the Westminster Hall canteen the cost of custard has not previously been advertised. It was, in fact, included in the charge for the sweet.The basic cost of a portion of custard is 1¾d. for the ingredients, before allowing for production costs.

Pensions And National Insurance

Social Security (Review)

48.

asked the Minister of Pensions and National Insurance whether, in the review she is undertaking of social security, she will take into consideration the importance of encouraging those who wish to take out private pension schemes.

The review must take account of all kinds of provision for retirement and old age.

Retirement Pensions (Postponement Increments)

asked the Minister of Pensions and National Insurance what would be the cost of increasing the increments for postponement of retirement beyond the minimum pension ages so that a person could earn 2s. 6d. for every 12 contributions paid instead of 1s. as at present, together with 1s. 3d. in respect of a wife's pension for every 12 contributions paid instead of 1s. as at present, the increases for the wife's pension being raised to the rate of 2s. 6d. for every 12 contributions paid should she become a widow.

About £300,000 in 1965–66 rising to about £95 million in 1985–86, assuming that the higher increments applied to contributions paid from April, 1965.

Unemployment Benefit

asked the Minister of Pensions and National Insurance how many workers have been refused unemployment benefit as a result of Regulation 6(1)(e)(i) in each year since 1955 and up to the latest convenient date; and how many of these were claims which failed in the St. Helens constituency in the same period.

I regret that the precise information requested is not available.The numbers of claims disallowed under the Unemployment and Sickness Benefit Regulation referred to—the holiday rule—for the years 1955 to 1964 are as follows:

YearNumber of claims disallowedYearNumber of claims disallowed
19553,69819603,117
19563,94319612,620
19573,98419624,535
19584,43519634,354
19594,74519643,394

Separate figures are not available for the St. Helens constituency but the number of claims disallowed in 1964 under this Regulation by the St. Helens Employment Exchange was seven.

Retirement Pensioners

asked the Minister of Pensions and National Insurance whether she will review the position of retirement pensioners resident abroad so that they will receive those increases in the retirement pension from time to time awarded by Her Majesty's Government.

I am satisfied that there are good reasons for the rule which has been followed in the past and that exceptions should be made only where we have a reciprocal agreement under which each country pays its pensions at current rates to its pensioners in the other country.

Ministry Of Health

Homeless Families (Hostels)

49.

asked the Minister of Health whether he will state Her Majesty's Government's policy on the separation in hostels of homeless family people.

The object of all the services concerned should be to keep families together, and this should be the aim of welfare authorities in providing temporary accommodation for the homeless.

Spectacle Frames

51.

asked the Minister of Health how many types of spectacle frames are available free to those requiring them through the National Health Service suitable for men, women and children, respectively; and when the range of choice was last increased.

Hearing Aids

50.

asked the Minister of Health, when the present hearing aids available under the National Health Service were first issued; if he will introduce small transistorised models; and if he will make a statement.

The present standard Medresco hearing aid was first supplied to children in 1958 and to adults in 1960. This is a transistor model which is clinically satisfactory for the great majority of the hard of hearing. I am reviewing the hearing aid service to see whether improvements can be made.

Artificial Kidney Machine

55.

asked the Minister of Health what is the position with regard to the supply and use of artificial kidney machines; how many are in use in this country; whether they can be used privately at home under the National Health scheme; what is the cost; and what action he proposes to take to encourage the use and supply of these machines.

I am advised that there is adequate provision of this equipment for established medical uses in the treatment of acute renal failure; statistics are not available centrally. Recent research indicates that these machines may be of considerable value also in the treatment of chronic renal failure, and further developments, including the possibility of using them at home, are being urgently studied. The cost of a machine and its associated equipment ranges from about £1,500 to £3,000.

Registration Office, Sidcup

57.

asked the Minister of Health what representations have been made to the Registrar General about the suggested closure of the Registration Office at Sidcup Hill, Sidcup, in respect of the registration of births and deaths; if he is aware that this office serves some 60,000 residents between the A.2 and the A.20, that the alternative office suggested at Brampton Road, Bexley, is nearly four miles from Sidcup and involves crossing the A.2, that Queen Mary's Hospital, Sidcup, now being re-built to house 600 patients, covers a catchment area which includes a considerable part of the new Bromley division, and that births or deaths occurring in Queen Mary's would necessitate relations travelling from Chislehurst and Mottingham to Bexley to make the registration; and, in view of the hardship and inconvenience that would be caused, if he will give an assurance that the registration office in Sidcup will not be closed.

We are satisfied that the amount of work in the London Borough of Bexley will not at first justify the appointment of more than two registrars. No representations were received against the borough council's scheme determining the location of its offices. My right hon. Friend has therefore approved it but he would expect a third office to be opened when the expansion of Queen Mary's Hospital justifies it.

General Practitioners (Complaints)

56.

asked the Minister of Health how many complaints against general practitioners had been decided upon by the London Executive Council in the 12 months to the latest convenient date; and if he will state the number of cases where the complaint concerned a doctor deputising for another, and the number of cases where the complainant's case was upheld.

Seventy-one in the year to 31st December, 1964. These involved not necessarily as the primary object of the complaint, 22 deputies who were themselves on the list and thus responsible to the Executive Council for their own acts and omissions and 21 who were not. A breach of the terms of service was found in five cases involving six deputies, two of them on the list.

Nurses (Medical Auxilaries)

59.

asked the Minister of Health if he will discuss with the relevant bodies the provision of additional training and qualification for State registered nurses to enable them to act as medical auxiliaries to general practitioners.

Present information does not suggest that further training is necessary for this purpose, but I will consider any suggestion my hon. Friend has in mind.

Alcoholics

asked the Minister of Health what further steps his Department is taking to provide institutional care for alcoholics; and what is the policy of Her Majesty's Government on compulsory treatment in certain cases.

I would refer my hon. Friend to the reply given by my right hon. Friend on 8th February to the Members for Louth (Sir C. Osborne) and Derbyshire, South-East (Mr. Park); progress is kept under review. I am advised that the successful treatment of alcoholics depends on their co-operation, but alcoholism may be evidence of mental disorder which warrants detention under the Mental Health Act, 1959.

District Nurses

asked the Minister of Health what was the total number of district nurses in 1953, 1963, and at the latest available date, respectively.

At the end of 1953 and 1963 the totals were respectively 6,595 and 7,843, in whole time equivalents. The figure for 1964 will be available shortly.

Cervical Cancer

asked the Minister of Health whether he will consider the experimental use of mobile units, similar to those successfully used for mass X-ray in the detection of lung diseases, for diagnostic tests as a means of detecting cervical cancer.

For mass X-ray vans are needed to carry complex equipment. Very little equipment is needed for taking cervical smears and so the same need does not arise. Many types of accommodation are adequate for this purpose.

asked the Minister of Health what facilities are available in the Bournemouth and district area for diagnostic tests as a means of detecting cervical cancer; and what steps he proposes to take to increase such facilities.

Tests are carried out in hospital clinics, and as more trained staff become available a routine screening service will be introduced.

Doctors (Council Of Europe Bursarships)

asked the Minister of Health how many doctors have been granted bursarships by the Council of Europe; and to which countries they have gone.

Seven last year and five the year before; Austria, Belgium, Den- mark, France, Finland, West Germany, Netherlands, Norway and Sweden.

Doctors' Lists

asked the Minister of Health if he will give the increase in the numbers of patients for each of the last five years on the average number on general practitioners' lists for England and Wales.

Following is the information:

PeriodIncrease in average list for all doctors providing unrestricted general medical services
1st July, 1959–30th September, 19605
1st October, 1960–30th September, 19615
1st October, 1961–30th September, 196212
1st October, 1962–30th September, 196322
1st October, 1963–30th September, 196436 (provisional)

Hospitals

Queen Elizabeth's Hospital, Gateshead

52.

asked the Minister of Health when construction of the first phase of the diagnostic centre at the Queen Elizabeth's Hospital, Gateshead, will commence.

Hyperbaric Oxygenation

58.

asked the Minister of Health what facilities are available in the National Health Service for hyperbaric oxygenation.

At the following hospitals—including those where clinical trials are proceeding:

  • St. Thomas'.
  • Guy's.
  • Royal Marsden.
  • University College Hospital.
  • St. Mary's, Portsmouth.
  • Velindre Hospital, Whitchurch.
  • Whipps Cross.
  • Heatherwood, Ascot.
  • Westminster.
  • Blackburn Royal Infirmary.
  • Queen Mary's, Roehampton.

Hospital Building

asked the Minister if he will set out in tabular form in the OFFICIAL REPORT, the amount spent on new hospitals per thousand of the population between 1950 and 1965 in each region, respectively, the same figures for extensions, and the same figures of the estimated expenditure between 1965 and 1975.

In a programme which consists largely of replacement, it is not easy to define a new hospital. Expenditure on schemes which are the whole or part of entirely new hospitals or of the virtual reconstruction of old hospitals has been included in the second column of the table below; expenditure on all other hospital building is in the third column.As I informed the House on 8th February, the future hospital building programme is under review. I am therefore unable to reply to the second part of the Question.

Region (including teaching hospitals)Capital expenditure 1st April, 1950–31st March, 1965 (estimated) £ per 1,000 population
New hospitalsOther hospital building
Newcastle2,8716,409
Leeds3,1395,258
Sheffield1,9264,116
East Anglian2,2965,877
North West Metropolitan3,5385,688
North East Metropolitan1,6625,446
South East Metropolitan1,0145,383
South West Metropolitan*1,8366,192
Wessex
Oxford3,6226,524
South Western1,3935,780
Birmingham1,8524,357
Manchester1,3594,183
Liverpool1,4725,935
Welsh3,5355,732
* Wessex did not function as a separate hospital region until 1st April, 1959.

Nurses (Emigration)

53.

asked the Minister of Health what are his plans to dissuade members of the nursing profession from leaving this country to take up similar work in other developed countries.

54.

asked the Minister of Health how many trained nurses left this country to take up posts in the United States of America during the years 1960 to 1964, respectively.

New Hospitals

asked the Minister of Health what is the estimated cost of new hospitals and the number of people they will service in the period 1960–70 within a reasonable radius of Stoke-on-Trent, Salford, Manchester, Hull, Huddersfield, Sheffield, Hillingdon, Barking, Orsett, Harlow, Poole, Newport, Swansea, and Cardiff.

The estimated cost of schemes expected to be completed in the period 1960–70, which are the whole or part of entirely new hospitals or of the virtual reconstruction of old hospitals, and the population that is expected to be served by such new developments, solely or jointly with other hospitals in the vicinity, are as follows:

PlaceEstimated Cost (£ million)Population (Thousands)
Stoke-on-Trent3·8500
Salford0·8265
Manchester4·01,000
Hull5·6425
Huddersfield7·0230
Sheffield5·7710
Hillingdon4·1220
Barking2·3250
Orsett3·5120
Harlow3·580
Poole4·8100
Newport2·9*325
Swansea2·7335
Cardiff2·3460
* Includes the estimated cost of a psychiatric hospital serving a larger population (470,000) than served by other hospitals at Newport.

Salford Royal Hospital

asked the Minister of Health what is the total amount spent on the Salford Royal Hospital since 1945; what number of population it serves; where a new hospital will be built; and when it will be finished.

About £175,000 since 1948; earlier figures are not available The estimated population served by the group of which this hospital is part is 265,000. Two new hospitals are planned to replace it, one at the present Hope Hospital and one on a new site near the north west boundary of Salford. I cannot yet say when these hospitals will be completed.

North Staffordshire

asked the Minister of Health what was the expenditure on the City General Hospital and North Staffs Royal Infirmary, between 1945 and 1965; and what are the proposals for new hospitals in North Staffs.

£1·7 millions since 1948; development of the North Staffs Royal Infirmary and the City General Hospital, Stoke, to form together a major district general hospital, of which a new out-patient department, a neuro-surgical and neurological block and a new maternity unit are under construction.

Hospital Administration (Computers)

asked the Minister of Health, having regard to hospital staff shortages, to what extent computers have been, and are being, introduced into National Health Service hospital administration.

We are encouraging the use of computers wherever it is reasonable to do so. Four have been installed, three are on order and others are under consideration. In addition a number of hospital authorities make use of the services of commercially provided computers.

Midwives, Sheffield

asked the Minister of Health how many midwives will be required to ensure that all midwifery blocks in the Sheffield Regional Hospital Board's area are fully manned.

All beds now closed would be brought into use with 16 additional midwives, but for full manning the hospital authorities would like to recruit far more.

Mental Hospitals

asked the Minister of Health whether he is aware that during the past 10 years the number of readmissions to mental hospitals has more than doubled; and to what extent this deterioration is the result of inadequate accommodation and facilities for improved diagnosis and modern psychiatric treatment.

Yes; this trend mainly reflects advances in treatment which have reduced the need for long, unbroken periods of hospital care; it is not a deterioration.

asked the Minister of Health whether he is aware that only 8 per cent. of the total expenditure on health services is allocated to mental hospitals and that mental hospitals accommodate more than one-half of the bed patients in the country; and what action he is taking to improve facilities in the hospitals.

I am not clear on what basis these estimates have been made. Any conclusion drawn from them would need to take into account factors such as differences in length of stay and type of treatment. Detailed advice was given to hospital authorities last year on ways of improving the effectiveness of hospitals for the mentally ill.

Broadmoor And Rampton

asked the Minister of Health how many mentally-abnormal adolescents below the age of 21 years are at present in Broadmoor and Rampton, respectively; how they are housed; and what facilities exist for their treatment.

24 males and 5 females at Broadmoor; 65 males and 35 females at Rampton. At Broadmoor male adolescents are housed in the admission unit, female adolescents in wards with other patients. At Rampton adolescent patients of both sexes are housed with other patients according to their condition and behaviour. A full range of psychiatric treatment is available at both hospitals.

Clatterbridge Hospital, Bebington

asked the Minister of Health when he expects work to begin on the major reconstruction of Clatterbridge Hospital, Bebington; whether he is aware of the present need for a new operating theatre at that hospital; and what steps are being taken to ensure that the provision of such an operating theatre will be treated as a matter of urgency in advance of major reconstruction work.

Work on the extension of the radiotherapy department is in progress; Yes; the Liverpool Regional Hospital Board is considering ways of improving the present operating facilities.

Constructional Work

asked the Minister of Health what will be the capital value of constructional work to be carried out by traditional building methods, and by industrialised building systems, respectively, during the financial year 1965–66.

About £52 million and £5 million respectively. The proportion of industrialised building is expected to rise in future years as a result of measures already being taken.

Ministry Of Defence

"Focus On Germany" (Map)

61.

asked the Secretary of State for Defence whether, in view of the communication which he sent to the hon. Member for West Ham, North, on 5th March, concerning the paper, "Focus on Germany", he will now make a further statement on the Government's policy on the matter.

In answering the hon. Member's Question on 1st March, I said that HQ. B.A.O.R., had been asked to delete from future editions of "Focus on Germany" a small map of Germany showing the 1939 frontiers.I regret that this reply was based on a misunderstanding. As I have now informed the hon. Member, I have since found that the map shows the 1937, rather than the 1939 frontiers of Germany. Had it shown the 1939 frontiers, it would have been most objectionable, but the 1937 frontiers are a different matter.I have therefore, decided that there are no grounds for removing this map from future editions of "Focus on Germany", and I have accordingly rescinded the orders for its deletion.

Ports, Northern Ireland (Her Majesty's Ships)

asked the Secretary of State for Defence if he will state the names, dates, and duration of visits of Her Majesty's ships calling at ports in Northern Ireland during 1965.

Details, so far as I am able to give them at present, of visits, by Her Majesty's ships to ports in Northern Ireland during 1965, are as follows.

PortShipDate
Bangor, Co. Down.Submarine Depot Ship (tentative)15th–18th July
Belfast"Lynx"Frigates11th–15th February (operational visit)
"Grafton"
"Wakeful"(Frigate)12th–15th March (operational visit)
Ships of the Home Fleet30th July–5th August
Portrush, Co. AntrimR.N.R. Minesweeper3rd–4th July
I regret that I cannot yet give the names of the ships likely to take part in the visits during the summer.

Aberdeen (Hm Ships)

asked the Secretary of State for Defence if he will state the names, dates and duration of visits of Her Majesty's ships calling at Aberdeen during the last five years; and what are his plans for visits of Her Majesty's ships to Aberdeen during 1965 and 1966.

As far as can be established now, the details for the last five years are as follows:

1960

  • H.M.S. "Defender" (Destroyer) 7th–12th November.
  • H.M.S. "Belton" (Minesweeper) 25th–28th November.

1961

  • H.M.S. "Battleaxe" (Destroyer) 27th April–3rd May.
  • H.M.S. "Palliser" (Fishery Protection Frigate) 12th–19th October.

1962

  • H.M.S. "Barnstone" (Boom Defence Vessel) 15th–19th June.
  • H.M.S. "Battleaxe" (Destroyer) 24th–28th July.
  • H.M.S. "Duncan" (Fishery Protection Frigate) 9th–12th November.

1963

  • H.M.S. "Blackwood" (Frigate) 28th–31st October.

1964

  • H.M.S. "Monkton" (Minesweeper) 3rd-8th March.

These were all part of the annual Home Fleet Visits' Programme. In addition, Aberdeen is visited fairly regularly by ships of the Fishery Protection Squadron in the course of their operational duties.

Plans for visits in 1965 are as follows:

  • A minesweeper 8th–9th May.
  • A frigate 11th–15th June.
  • A minesweeper 3rd–4th July.
  • A minesweeper 9th–10th October.

We shall not be making any arrangements for visits in 1966 until about the New Year.

Employment

Gateshead

62.

asked the Minister of Labour, of the vacancies listed at the most convenient date at the Gateshead employment exchange, what were the numbers for skilled and unskilled; how many apprenticeship opportunities were available for boys and girls; and how many unskilled vacancies were offered to boys and girls.

Of the 810 vacancies outstanding at the Gateshead Employment Exchange on 3rd March, 1965, 784 were for men and women with some degree of skill and 26 for unskilled workers.At the Gateshead Youth Employment Office on the same date there were 202 vacancies for boys and girls, including 23 vacancies for apprentices, 71 for progressive employment and 108 for unskilled employment.

asked the Minister of Labour how many persons during the last six months attended the three vocational training centres in the North-East from the Gateshead employment area; and how this compares with the previous six months.

Since 1st September, 1964, 25 trainees and 29 apprentices from the Gateshead area attended the Felling Government Training Centre. There were none at the other two Government Training Centres in the Northern Region. These figures compare with 24 trainees and 11 apprentices at the Felling Government Training Centre and 1 trainee at the Tursdale Government Training Centre during the previous six months.

British Motor Corporation, Longbridge (Strike)

63.

asked the Minister of Labour whether he will make a further statement on the strike of maintenance workers at the Longbridge, Birmingham, works of the British Motor Corporation.

I am glad to be able to inform the House that work was resumed this morning.

Mexborough And Wombwell

asked the Minister of Labour if he will give the percentage of unemployment in the Mexborough and Wombwell employment exchanges at the latest convenient date.

Separate percentage rates of unemployment are not quoted for employment exchanges whose areas form part of a wider travel-to-work area. The percentage rate of unemployment on 8th March for the travel-to-work district which comprises the areas of the Mexborough and Goldthorpe Employment Exchanges was 2·6 per cent and that for the areas covered by the Wombwell, Barnsley, Hoyland, and Royston Employment Exchanges was 1·5 per cent.

Spain (Gibraltar)

64.

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs what reply he has received from the Spanish Government to his protests at the continued blockade of Gibraltar; and whether he will make a statement.

I have nothing to add to the reply which my right hon. Friend gave to the hon. Member and the hon. Members for Dorset, West (Mr. Wingfield Digby), Cheltenham (Mr. Dodds-Parker), Fife, West (Mr. William Hamilton), Belfast, West (Mr. Kilfedder) and Bristol, North-West (Mr. M. McLaren) on 1st March.

Vietnam

66.

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs what study he has made of the request from the International Commission for Supervision and Control in Vietnam to consider an immediate appeal to all concerned with a view to reducing tension and preserving peace in Vietnam and take whatever measures are necessary in order to stem a deteriorating situation; and if he will approach the co-chairman with a view to issuing such an appeal.

I have read both the majority report from the International Control Commission in which this request is contained, and the minority report. As my right hon. Friend the Prime Minister said on 9th March, one needs to read both to get a balanced view. All members of the 1954 Geneva Conference have now had copies of the reports and can draw their own conclusions on what is necessary for restoring peace to Vietnam. I hope to discuss with Mr. Gromyko tomorrow the possibility of action by the co-chairmen in the light of our earlier approach to the Soviet Government.

European Convention On Establishment

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs if he is aware that the European Convention on Establishment, signed under the auspices of the Council of Europe, came into force on 23rd February, 1965, and that, under Resolution 51 (30) B of the Committee of Ministers, this Convention should be ratified within one year; and whether Her Majesty's Government will now deposit its instrument of ratification of that Convention.

The Convention came into force for the five countries which have so far ratified it on 23rd February 1965. Her Majesty's Government are at present considering the question of ratification of the Convention by the United Kingdom.

National Finance

Teacher Shortage, Scotland (Married Women)

70.

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer if, in view of the shortage of teachers in Scotland and the fact that there are 20,000 married women who are trained and experienced teachers but who have left teaching, he will consider offering some form of special tax relief to such persons to attract them back into teaching in Scottish schools.

Special Income Tax reliefs—the wife's earned income allowance and a separate set of reduced rate reliefs—give a substantial inducement to married women to continue in, or return to, employment.

Home-Reared Beef (Subsidies)

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer (1) to what extent exports of home-reared beef are subsidised by the taxpayer, directly or indirectly, through subsidies on feedingstuffs or capital grants or by other means;(2) if he will recover any subsidy paid by the Exchequer on exports of home-reared beef by means of an export tax;(3) if he will protect consumers against the continental policy of high meat prices by taxing exports and re-exports of fresh or chilled meat and store-livestock.

Exchequer support for the home production of beef derives mainly from the system of fatstock guarantees and from calf subsidy. Other forms of indirect support are fairly small by comparison. Current exports of cattle are in the main not of types which will have been eligible for either fatstock guarantee or calf subsidy. In any case, guarantee payments on cattle have for many months been nil or comparatively small, owing to the strength of the market. In these circumstances, fiscal measures to recover subsidies would at present have little effect on the trade, but the Government are keeping the situation under review.

Press And Public Relations (Official Appointments)

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer how many official appointments, paid or unpaid, have been made since 15th October, 1964, of persons outside the public service to advisory or executive positions in relation to Ministers or their departments in the field of Press and public relations.

Sixty-seven; of which 63 have been made to previously existing posts.

Ministry Of Aviation

Gatwick Airport (Aircraft)

71.

asked the Minister of Aviation whether he is satisfied that all aircraft now operating from Gatwick Airport comply with the safety and other requirements of the Air Registration Board, and in particular with paragraph 2(2) of Circular No. 60 Issue 2 of 1st August, 1961; and if he will make a statement.

An aircraft operator may carry out his own maintenance or engage a contractor, but as the Air Registration Board's Circular No. 60 sets out, in either case the Board must be satisfied that a sufficient number of skilled engineering staff are employed. The Air Registration Board has taken special steps to satisfy itself that these requirements are being met at Gatwick at the present time.

Boac (Passenger Traffic)

asked the Minister of Aviation how the increase in British Overseas Airways Corporation's passenger traffic in the past 12 months compares with the increase forecast by the British Overseas Airways Corporation board a year ago.

The scale of increase in British Overseas Airways Corporation's passenger traffic is indicated by the improvement of their average load factor from the 52 per cent., which had been anticipated, to the 57 per cent. now expected for the full year 1964–65. Final figures will, however, not be available before the end of the financial year to which British Overseas Airways Corporation's traffic forecasts are geared.

Board Of Trade

Development Districts (Advance Factories)

72.

asked the President of the Board of Trade how many advance factories have been built in development areas since 1959; how many are already let to a tenant; and of those not yet let how many are at present the subject of negotiations with possible occupants.

Thirty-four advance factories have been built in development districts since 1959. Twenty-four have been let and six sold. Three are the subject of negotiations with possible occupants.

Highland Counties (Loans And Grants)

asked the President of the Board of Trade what was the yearly total of loans and grants made available under the Local Employment Acts 1960 and 1963 to projects in the Highland counties.

The information is given in the following table:

OFFERS OF FINANCIAL ASSISTANCE UNDER THE LOCAL EMPLOYMENT ACTS 1960 AND 1963 TO PROJECTS IN THE HIGHLAND COUNTIES
FinancialLoansGrantsTotal
Years£'000£'000£'000
1960–613543357
1961–6210222124
1962–631215126
1963–6430825333
April-December, 196421282303

Fort William Pulp Mills (Loan)

asked the President of the Board of Trade what proportion of the £10 million loan made available for the construction of the Fort William Pulp Mills has now been taken up by the operating company; when the balance will be taken up; and what estimate he has made of the yearly cost of the remission of interest on the loan during the first years of the project.

The whole of the loan of £8 million for the first stage of the project will have been advanced by 1st April. The remaining £2 million will be issued if and when the Company proceeds with the second stage of the project and demonstrates its need for such further assistance. Grants of £49,000 in 1963–64 and £241,000 in 1964–65 have been made in respect of interest; it is estimated that there will be further grants of £434,000 in 1965–66 and £440,000 in 1966–67.

Rhodesia

Constitution

73.

asked the Secretary of State for Commonwealth Relations if he will give an assurance that, while the power to amend the Constitution of Rhodesia rests with the Parliament of the United Kingdom, it is not the intention of Her Majesty's Government to introduce legislation to amend the Constitution of Rhodesia, without the approval of the Government and Legislature of Rhodesia and the approval of all racial groups in that country.

As I made clear in answer to a supplementary question from the right hon. Member on 8th March the ultimate grant of independence to Rhodesia is a responsibility of this Parliament. I also said that as long as there was no unconstitutional action this Government would respect the convention whereby Parliament at Westminster does not legislate for Rhodesia on matters within the competence of the Legislative Assembly of Rhodesia, except with the agreement of the Rhodesian Government. As the right hon. Member will be aware, the arrangements for amendment of the 1961 Constitution of Rhodesia are contained within it. Under Section 111 certain provisions can only be amended by Order in Council; otherwise the Constitution can be amended by the Legislature of Rhodesia after a vote of two-thirds of the total membership of the Assembly, except that in the case of the specially entrenched provisions a majority in each of the four main racial communities must approve the proposal in a referendum, or the proposal be submitted to the Queen.

Scotland

New General Hospital The Borders

74.

asked the Secretary of State for Scotland whether, in view of the inconvenience for patients, staff and visitors of Peel Hospital, he will name an early date for the building of a new hospital for the Borders.

The revised hospital plan for Scotland published in May, 1964, and covering the period to April, 1974, made no provision for a new general hospital for the Borders, but siting possibilities for the future are under consideration by the Regional Hospital Board.

Reston-Duns Railway Line (Closure)

75.

asked the Secretary of State for Scotland whether he has studied a letter from Duns Town Council to the effect that the Reston-Duns branch railway line is to be closed in the near future; and what reply he has sent.

I am consulting my right hon. Friend the Minister of Transport and will arrange for a copy of the reply to the Town Clerk to be sent to the right hon. Gentleman.

Highland Fund (Cost)

asked the Secretary of State for Scotland what has been the yearly cost of Exchequer support for the Highland Fund.

Payments from the Development Fund to the Highland Fund Ltd. have been approved as follows:

Advances to Official Loan FundGrant towards administrative expenses
££
October, 1963 to 31st March, 196435,0002,500
1st April, 1964 to 31st March, 196550,0003,500
85,0006,000

Highland Counties (Population)

asked the Secretary of State for Scotland what is the population of the seven Highland counties; what additional population is included in the area covered by the Highland regional study; and what proportions these are of the total population of Scotland.

On 30th June, 1964, the population of the seven Highland Counties was estimated by the Registrar General for Scotland to be 276,328.The additional population included in the area covered by the Highland Regional Study, that is, the Counties of Nairn and Bute and contiguous, upland portions of other Counties also included in the North East Regional Study was approximately 65,000.These figures represent 5·3 per cent. and 1·2 per cent. respectively of the total population of Scotland.

Highland Regional Study

asked the Secretary of State for Scotland when the Highland regional study will be completed; and when he will publish a report.

I hope that all these regional studies will be completed by the middle of the summer when they will have to be considered in relation to one another and to the national plan. It has not been decided how or when the Government's plan, or plans, for Scotland can most appropriately be published.

Highland Counties (Expenditure)

asked the Secretary of State for Scotland what has been the expenditure by the Forestry Commission in the Highland counties in each of the last 10 years; and what proportion of all the Commission's expenditures in Scotland this represents.

The estimated net expenditure was as follows:

(a) Highland Counties*(b) Scotland(a) as percentage of (b)
£'000£'000Per cent.
19551,0972,80039
19561,1452,69842
19571,1862,74443
19581,1652,69443
19591,2102,73344
19601,2312,90542
19611,3503,29541
19621,4133,11245
19631,5163,76440
19641,5363,97039
* The counties are Caithness, Sutherland, Ross and Cromarty, Inverness and Argyll. There was no expenditure in Orkney and Shetland.
ESTIMATED EXPENDITURE IN THE HIGHLANDS AND ISLANDS
£ million
1954–551955–561956–571957–581958–59
Exchequer Grants to Local Revenues including Education4·0254·3555·0015·6956·049
Water and Sewerage0·6100·1720·1250·1040·131
Housing0·6030·5980·7420·8270·971
Health3·0033·2283·5913·7433·984
RoadsMinistry of Transport and Civil Aviation Vote1·5001·5002·000
Shipping0·2670·2490·2840·2780·271
Agriculture2·5052·6394·9235·0405·749
Forestry0·9311·0971·1451·1861·165
Fisheries0·9050·8580·7840·7010·878
Miscellaneous0·2760·2800·3160·3240·353
TOTAL13·12513·47618·41119·39821·551
£ million
1959–601960–611961–621962–631963–64
Exchequer Grants to Local Revenues including Education5·8887·0967·4058·2318·618
Water and Sewerage0·1680·2650·2530·3420·336
Housing1·0761·1431·1411·1061·111
Health3·9464·2704·5595·0605·523
Roads2·2002·9172·5093·1253·738
Shipping0·2960·5220·5500·9511·351
Agriculture5·8606·2266·1517·2307·308
Forestry1·2101·2311·3501·4131·526
Fisheries0·9411·0080·9920·7570·800
Miscellaneous0·4910·5100·5090·4150·525
TOTAL22·07625·18825·41928·63030·836

asked the Secretary of State for Scotland if he will publish a table showing the various headings of expenditure by the Scottish departments in the Highland counties in each of the last 10 years; and what proportion this is of their total expenditure in Scotland.

Estimated net expenditure by my Departments and the Forestry Commission in the Highlands and Islands (seven crofter counties) during each of the years 1954–55 to 1963–64 inclusive is given in the following table and represents about 10 per cent. of the total estimated expenditure by these Departments in Scotland. Figures of actual expenditure in the Highlands and Islands are available only for 1962–63 and 1963–64 and show a variation of about 2 per cent. from the estimated figures. Total net expenditure in the Highlands and Islands in the current financial year is estimated at £33 million.

asked the Secretary of State for Scotland what capital and other expenditure in the Highland counties has been incurred by the North of Scotland Hydro-Electric Board in each of the last 10 years.

Separate information is not available for the Highland counties, but the total capital and revenue expenditure of the North of Scotland Hydro-Electric Board during each of the past ten years was:

£ million
Gross Expenditure
Revenue*Capital
19557·823·4
19568·820·3
19579·418·0
195810·916·3
195912·213·6
196013·110·7
196113·312·9
196214·815·8
196317·817·1
196418·517·1
* Including interest payment but excluding depreciation provision.

asked the Secretary of State for Scotland what yearly expenditure has been incurred in the Highland counties under the Highlands and Islands (Shipping Services) Act 1960.

Since 1960–61, the year the Highlands and Islands (Shipping Services) Act 1960 came into effect, expenditure on shipping services in the Highland counties has been:

Expenditure
YearCapital PaymentsSubsidy Payments
££
1960–61276,404
1961–62124,254296,368
1962–63251,817341,355
1963–64835,346281,005
1964–65 (estimated)467,000523,000

asked the Secretary of State for Scotland what public expenditure has been incurred in the Highland counties in each of the last 10 years by the Crofters Commission, the Herring Board, and the White Fish Authority, respectively.

Expenditure on Schemes administered by the Crofters Commission since the Commission was appointed has been:

Calendar Year£
October 1955—December 1957*298,854
1958375,780
1959464,951
1960520,835
1961573,434
1962544,681
1963494,281
1964472,648
* The first Scheme enabling the Commission to provide financial assistance to crofters came into operation on 31st July, 1956. Separate figures for the years 1955–57 are not available.
Expenditure by the Herring Industry Board and the White Fish Authority in the Highland Counties on schemes mainly to assist the building of new fishing vessels and the re-engining of existing fishing vessels has been:

Calendar yearHerring IndustryWhite Fish
BoardAuthority
GrantLoanGrantLoan
££££
August, 1953-December, 1957*1,2502,46989,025185,877
19581,5082,22933,04567,208
19594,2627,37233,76969,726
196016,56325,27722,35555,690
196119,94614,17923,24719,252
196211,75514,94024,04913,003
19635,50517,77418,55735,020
196427,21340,61326,92850,113
* Separate figures for these years are not available.
The Board and the Authority have other responsibilities covering the whole country and are partly financed by contributions from the industry. Comprehensive figures of their expenditure out of public funds relating particularly to the Highland Counties are not available. The following items can, however, be so related:

(a) Capital Expenditure from public funds in Crofting Counties by Herring Industry Board
Financial Year£
1954–5535,443
1955–561,456
1956–571,017
1957–582,888
1958–5921,006
1959–6033,498
1960–6124,879
1961–6235,693
1962–633,815
1963–64Nil

(b) Grant assistance up to a maximum of £6,000 per annum has been made available to the Herring Industry Board by my Department in respect of the operation of the Board's reduction factory at Stornoway since August, 1963.

Buildings Of Architectural Of Historic Interest

asked the Secretary of State for Scotland if he is aware that there are in Scotland many buildings of architectural charm and distinction which are threatened with destruction, and that such destruction would be a loss to the nation; and if he will make a list of such buildings, with a view to taking steps for their preservation.

In accordance with the Town and Country Planning (Scotland) Act, 1947, I am having compiled lists of buildings of special architectural or historic interest in Scotland.

Monmouthshire (Ministerial Responsibilities)

asked the Prime Minister whether he will indicate the responsibility of Ministers for dealing with problems in the English county of Monmouth; and what responsibilities in this respect have been allocated to the Secretary of State for Wales.

The responsibilities of Ministers in relation to Monmouthshire are the same as those in relation to any county of Wales.

St James Church, Hampstead Road (Demolition)

asked the hon. and learned Member for Brigg, as Second Church Estates Commissioner, why the demolition of St. James Church, Hampstead Road, has been delayed, in view of the dangerous condition of the structure, which adjoins a busy hospital.

This church vests in the diocesan board of finance of the diocese of London under a scheme made by the Church Commissioners in 1954 pursuant to the Reorganisation Areas Measures, 1944.The existing scheme provides for the demolition of the church subject to the removal of its western facade and cupola for incorporation in a new church but the diocesan authorities, despite continued effort, have found it impossible to fulfil the condition and have in consequence requested the Commissioners to prepare a supplementary scheme to remove the requirement.In preparing the supplementary scheme the Commissioners have again had to carry out statutory consultations. They have ascertained the views of the Central Council for the Care of Churches and the Ministry of Housing and Local Government and await those of the Ministry of Public Building and Works which they understand will be received shortly.

British Guiana

Detained Persons

asked the Secretary of State for the Colonies how many persons are now detained in British Guiana under the Emergency Regulations; for how long they have been detained; and what provision exists for their cases to be reviewed.

The number of persons detained under the Emergency Regulations has been progressively reduced from 41 to the present 14. These have been in detention since 13th June, 1964.An Advisory Tribunal, with a legally qualified Chairman appointed by the Chief Justice and other members appointed by the Governor after consultation with the Judicial Service Commission, has been established to review the case of any applicant and to make recommendations concerning his continued detention. None of the remaining detainees has applied to have his case reviewed.As the past releases demonstrate, the Governor has the detentions under constant review, and I know that he shares my own determination that no person shall be detained longer than is necessary in the interests of public order and safety.

Education And Science

Department Of Scientific And Industrial Research (Staff)

asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science if he will provide, in tabulated form, itemized information on the number of persons employed in different grades and their salaries in the Departmental establishments which until this year formed the Department of Scientific and Industrial Research for the years 1961–62, 1962–63, 1963–64, 1964–65, and 1965–66.

The non-industrial staff by grades and the industrial staff of the Department of Scientific and Industrial

NATIONAL RATES
Grade1961–621962–631963–641964–651965–66
Chief Scientific Officer (1)£4,050£4,050£4,050£4,700£4,700
Chief Scientific Officer (2)£3,863£3,863£3,863£4,425£4,425
Deputy Chief Scientific Officer£3,125/£3,450£3,125/£3,450£3,275/£3,600£3,625/£4,025£3,625/£4,025
Senior Principal Scientific Officer£2,650/£3,000£2,650/£3,000£2,800/£3,150£3,050/£3,475£3,050/£3,475
Principal Science Officer£1,716/£2,418£1,716/£2,418£1,839/£2,569£2,100/£2,900£2,174/£3,002
Senior Scientific Officer£1,342/£1,654£1,342/£1,654£1,396/£1,720£1,628/£2,012£1,685/£2,082
Scientific Officer£738/£l,222£738/£l,222£768/£1,271£865/£1,470£895/£1,521
Chief Experimental Officer£1,976/£2,288£1,976/£2,288£2,109/£2,434£2,400/£2,800£2,484/£2,898
Senior Experimental Officer£1,508/£1,872£1,508/£1,872£1,568/£2,001£1,845/£2,250£1,910/£2,329
Experimental Officer£1,087/£1,336£1,087/£1,336£1,130/£1,389£1,274/£1,618£1,319/£1,675
Assistant Experimental Officer.£458/£983£458/£983£476/£1,022£530/£1,160£549/£1,201
Senior Scientific Assistant£811/£1,082£811/£1,082£843/£1,125£962/£1,269£996/£1,313
Scientific Assistant£333/£780£333/£780£346/£811£370/£920£383/£952
Principal Research Fellow£2,100/£2,895£2,175/£3,000
Senior Research Fellow£1,325/£1,640£1,325/£1,640£1,380/£1,705£1,605/£1,995£1,685/£2,080
Junior Research Fellow£910/£1,220£910/£1,220£945/£l,270£1,000/£1,470£1,140/£1,520
Principal Psychologist£1,635/£2,040£1,716/£2,340£1,839/£2,488£1,951/£2,640£1,951/£2,640
Senior Psychologist£1,230/£1,545£1,342/£1,654£1,396/£1,720£1,481/£1,825£1,481/£1,825
Psychologist£595/£l,260£728/£l,222£757/£l,271£803/£1,348£803/£1,348
Senior Research Officer£1,635/£2,040£1,716/£2,340£1,839/£2,488£1,951/£2,640£1,951/£2,640
Research Officer£1,230/£1,545£1,342/£1,654£1,396/£1,720£1,481/£1,825£1,481/£1,825
Assistant Research Officer£595/£l,260£728/£l,222£757/£l,271£803/£1,348£803/£1,348
Chief Information Officer A£2,650/£3,350£2,650/£3,350£2,800/£3,500£3,050/£3,900£3,050/£3,900
Chief Information Officer B£2,392/£2,650£2,392/£2,650£2,542/£2,800£2,697/£3,050£2,697/£3,050
Principal Information Officer£1,976/£2,288£1,976/£2,288£2,109/£2,434£2,400/£2,800£2,484/£2,898
Senior Information Officer£1,508/£1,872£1,508/£1,872£1,568/£2,001£1,845/£2,250£1,910/£2,329
Information Officer£1,222/£1,430£1,222/£1,430£1,271/£1,487£1,348/£1,578£1,521/£1,811
Assistant Information Officer£458/£l,154£458/£1,154£476/£1,200£530/£1,360£549/£1,408
Librarian Grade II£1,508/£1,872£1,508/£1,872£1,568/£2,001£1,845/£2,250£1,910/£2,329
Librarian Grade IV£458/£1,154£458/£1,154£476/£1,200£530/£1,360£549/£1,408
Professional Works Group
Superintending Grade£2,650/£3,00£2,650/£3,000£2,800/£3,150£3,050/£3,475£3,050/£3,475
Senior Grade£2,080/£2,392£2,080/£2,392£2,163/£2,488£2,295/£2,640£2,295/£2,640
Main Grade£1,456/£1,950£1,456/£1,950£1,514/£2,028£1,606/£2,152£1,600/£2,152
Basic Grade£707/£1,430£707/£1,430£735/£1,487£780/£1,578£780/£1,578

Research as at 1st January, 1961, 1962, 1963, 1964 and 1965 are as follows, the salary figures shown being either the current fixed salaries or the minimum and maximum of the relevant national scales for non-industrial staff. No rates are shown for industrial staff where pay ranges generally derive from agreements made by a number of joint industrial councils.

NATIONAL RATES

Grade

1961–62

1962–63

1963–64

1964–65

1965–66

Technical Works, Engineering and Allied Classes

Grade A£1,482/£1,747£1,482/£1,747£1,541/£1,817£1,635/£1,928£1,635/£1,928
Grade B£1,388/£1,602£1,388/£1,602£1,444/£1,666£1,532/£1,767£1,532/£1,767
Grade I£1,128/£1,388£1,128/£1,388£1,173/£1,444£1,244/£1,532£1,244/£1,532
Grade II£988/£1,128£988/£1,128£1,028/£1,173£1,091/£1,244£1,091/£1,244
Grade III£697/£988£698/£988£725/£1,028£769/£1,091£769/£1,090

Cartographical Draughtsmen

Chief Draughtsman£1,347/£1,622£1,347/£1,622£1,401/£1,687£1,486/£1,790£1,486/£1,790
Senior Draughtsman£1,113/£1,347£1,113/£1,347£1,158/£1,401£1,229/£1,486£1,229/£1,486
Higher Grade Draughtsman£936/£1,113£936/£1,113£973/£1,158£1,032/£1,229£1,032/£1,229
Basic Grade Draughtsman£286/£936£286/£936£297/£973£315/£1,032£315/£1,032
Drawing Office Assistant£359/£640£359/£640£373/£666£396/£746£396/£746
Senior Illustrator£1,217/£1,451£1,217/£1,451£1,266/£1,509£1,343/£1,601£1,343/£1,601
Leading Illustrator£993/£1,160£993/£1,160£1,033/£1,206£1,096/£1,279£1,096/£1,279
Illustrator£603/£993£603/£993£627/£1,033£646/£1,064£631/£1,096
Assistant Illustrator£286/£478£286/£478£297/£497£306/£512£315/£527
Tracer£4 8s.6d./ £11 13s. 0d.£4 8s.6d./ £11 13s. 0d.£4 12s. 0d./ £12 2s. 0d.£4 18s. 0d./ £12 7s. 6d.£4 18s. 0d./ £12 17s. 6d. weekly
Learner Tracer£3 19s. 0d./ £7 6s. 6d.£3 19s. 0d./ £7 6s. 6d.£4 2s. 0d./ £7 12s. 6d.£4 7s. 0d./ £8 1s. 6d.£4 7s. 0d./ £8 1s. 6d. weekly
Chief Photographer£1,352/£1,560£1,352/£1,560£1,406/£1,622£1,491/£1,721£1,543/£1,781
Principal Photographer£1,082/£1,269£1,082/£1,269£1,125/£1,320.£1,194/£1,401£1,236/£1,450
Senior Photographer£801/£1,009£801/£1,009£833/£1,049£884/£1,112£915/£1,151
Photographer£520/£770£520/£770£541/£801£574/£850£594/£880
Assistant Photographer£328/£494£328/£494£341/£514£362/£545£375/£564
Assistant Chief Photographer£14 11s. 0d./ £15 14s. 6d.£14 11s. 0d./ £15 14s. 6d.£15 2s. 6d./ £16 7s. 0d.£16 1s. 0d./ £17 7s. 0d.£16 12s. 0d./ £17 19s. 0d. weekly
Photographer Grade I£12 2s. 6d./ £13 16s. 6d.£12 2s. 6d./ £13 16s. 6d.£12 12s. 0d./ £14 7s. 6d.£13 7s. 6d./ £15 5s. 0d.£13 17s. 0d./ £15 5s. 6d. weekly
Photographer Grade II£10 1s. 0d./ £11 11s. 6d.

* £4 2s. 0d./ £11 11s. 6d.

£4 5s. 6d./ £12 1s. 0d.£4 10s. 6d./ £12 15s. 6d.£4 13s. 6d./ £13 4s. 6d. weekly
Laboratory Attendant£4 19s. 0d./ £10 19s. 6d.£4 19s. 0d./ £10 19s. 6d.£5 3s. 0d./ £11 8s. 6d.£5 9s. 0d./ £12 2s. 6d.£5 13s. 0d. £12 11s. 0d. weekly
Secretary£6,950£6,950£6,950£8,200£8,200
Deputy Secretary£4,950£4,950£4,950£5,800£5,800
Under secretary£4,700£4,700£4,700£4,700£4,700
Assistant Secretary£2,650/£3,350£2,650/£3,350£2,800/£3,500£3,050/£3,900£3,050/£3,900
Principal£1,716/£2,418£1,716/£2,418£1,839/£2,569£1,951/£2,725£2,174/£3,002
Chief Executive Officer£1,976/£2,288£1,976/£2,288£2,109/£2,434£2,400/£2,800£2,484/£2,898
Senior Executive Officer£1,508/£1,872£1,508/£1,872£1,568/£2,001£1,845/£2,250£1,910/£2,329
Higher Executive Officer£1,222/£1,430£1,222/£1,430£1,271/£1,487£1,470/£1,750£1,521/£1,811
Executive Officer£458/£1,154£458/£1,154£476/£1,200£530/£1,360£549/£1,408
Clerical Officer£286/£796£294/£820£306/£853£328/£935£339/£968
Clerical Assistant£4 4s. 0d./ £11 15s. 6d.£4 4s. 0d./ £11 15s. 6d.£4 7s. 6d./ £12 5s. 0d.£4 17s. 6d./ £13 15s. 0d.£5 1s. 0d./ £14 4s. 6d. weekly

NATIONAL RATES

Grade

1961–62

1962–63

1963–64

1964–65

1965–66

Superintendent of Typists£286/£796£294/£820£306/£853£324/£905£409/£1,038
Shorthand Typist Grade I£5 0s. 0d./ £12 2s. 6d.£5 0s. 0d./ £12 2s. 6d.£5 4s. 0d./ £12 12s. 0d.£5 10s. 0d./£5 16s. 6d./£14 7s. 6d weekly.
Shorthand Typist Grade II£4 16s. 6d./ £11 9s. 6d.£4 16s. 6d./ £11 9s. 6d.£5 0s. 6d./ £11 18s. 6d.£5 6s. 6d./ £12 13s. 0d.£5 12s. 0d./ £13 10s. 6d. weekly
Copy Typist Grade I£4 8s. 6d./ £11 5s. 0d.£4 8s. 6d./ £11 5s. 0d.£4 12s. 0d./ £11 14s. 0d.£4 18s. 0d./ £12 8s. 0d.£5 3s. 6d./£13 7s. 0d. weekly
Copy Typist Grade II£4 5s. 6d./ £10 13s. 0d.£4 5s. 6d./ £10 13s. 0d.£4 9s. 0d./ £11 1s. 6d.£4 14s. 0d./ £11 15s. 0d.£4 18s. 6d./£12 11s. 0d. weekly
Senior Machine Operator£719/£937
Machine Operator£5 11s. 6d./ £12 0s. 0d.£5 11s. 6d./ £12 0s. 0d.£5 19s. 6d./ £12 17s. 0d.£6 3s. 0d./ £13 4s. 6d.£6 12s. 6d./ £14 11s. 0d. weekly
Machine Assistant£4 4s. 0d./ £11 11s. 6d.£4 4s. 0d./ £11 11s. 6d.£4 7s. 6d./ £12 1s. 0d.£4 12s. 6d./ £12 15s. 6d.£5 1s. 0d./ £13 19s. 6d. weekly
Office Keeper Grade III£629/£723£629/£723£654/£752£694/£798£718/£826
Senior Paper-keeper£11 3s. 0d./ £12 4s. 0d.£11 3s. 0d./ £12 4s. 0d.£11 12s. 0d./ £12 14s. 0d.£12 6s. 0d./ £13 9s. 6d.£12 14s. 6d./ £13 19s. 0d. weekly
Paper-keeper£10 6s. 6d./ £10 19s. 0d.£10 6s. 6d./ £10 19s. 0d.£10 15s. 0d./ £11 8s. 0d.£11 8s. 0d./ £12 2s. 0d.£11 16s. 0d./ £12 10s. 6d. weekly
Senior Messenger£10 3s. 0d./ £11 2s. 0d.£10 3s. 0d./ £11 2s. 0d.£10 11s. 0d./ £11 11s. 0d.£11 4s. 0d./ £12 5s. 0d.£11 12s. 0d./ £12 13s. 6d. weekly
Messenger£9 10s. 6d./ £9 15s. 0d.£9 10s. 6d./ £9 15s. 0d.£9 18s. 0d./ £10 3s. 0d.£10 10s. 0d./ £10 15s. 6d.£10 17s. 6d./ £11 3s. 0d. weekly

* Scale reconstructed.

TOTAL INDUSTRIAL STAFF OF D.S.I.R.
1st January, 19611,208½
1st January, 19621,332½
1st January, 19631,401
1st January, 19641,453
1st January, 19651,523½

STAFF IN POST BY GRADE OF D.S.I.R. LESS HEADQUARTERS

Grade

1961

1962

1963

1964

1965

Higher Directing Posts11111
Chief Scientific Officer1213131313
Chief Scientific Officer (Personal)11111
Deputy Chief Scientific Officer2832363434
Deputy Chief Scientific Officer (Personal)5244
Senior Principal Scientific Officer98104111109109
Senior Principal Scientific Officer (Personal)1822222324
Principal Scientific Officer345340½338344352½
Senior Scientific Officer194½228253268268½
Scientific Officer115128147154153
Research Officer11
Assistant Research Officer3
Principal Psychologist1
Senior Psychologist11
Psychologist1132
Research Fellow3345433331
Superintending Architect21222
Senior Architect43445
Main Grade Architect1110899
Basic Grade Architect45422
Superintending Engineer11122
Senior Engineer44333
Main Grade Engineer56546
Basic Grade Engineer44243
Main Grade Quantity Surveyor12222

Grade

1961

1962

1963

1964

1965

Basic Grade Quantity Surveyor1
Main Grade Town Planner11
Chief Experimental Officer2731393540
Senior Experimental Officer268½274½283½291½311
Guide Lecturer (SEO Level)11111
Experimental Officer724758757½762787½
Assistant Experimental Officer425511538537533
Athlone Fellow1
Works Technical Officer "B"22223
Works Technical Officer I77698
Works Technical Officer II1315212220
Works Technical Officer III3035373843
Works Technical Officer IV4
Principal Artificer22333
Senior Artificer66887
Artificer2321181918
Senior Scientific Assistant8495½105105111
Scientific Assistant604½682½696728½744
College Based Sandwich Course Study111220
Chief Draughtsman11111
Senior Draughtsman33333
Higher Grade Draughtsman119111113
Basic Grade Draughtsman1826242723

NON INDUSTRIAL STAFF

Grade

1961

1962

1963

1964

1965

Leading Illustrator1111
Illustrator112
Librarian II11111
Librarian IV22222
Chief Photographer111
Principal Photographer45566
Senior Photographer1818192023
Photographer16202727½27½
Assistant Photographer98976
Assistant Chief Photoprinter22122
Photoprinter I1010151314
Photoprinter II26½24½29½36
Reproduction Assistant7
Office Keeper III22222
Senior Paperkeeper2333
Paperkeeper411
Senior Messenger88798
Messenger4743454343
Doorkeeper33333
Chief Warder11111
Supervisory Warder14444
Warder1513111211
Supervisory Publications Saleswoman11111
Publications Saleswoman11111
Cleaner11101010
Drawing Office Assistant22½22½27½23½24½
Leading Tracer2111
Tracer25162426½25½
Laboratory Attendant36½37½41½4549½
Senior Machine Operator23222
Machine Operator8
Machine Assistant74585
Duplicator Operator II1122
Telephonist28½3334½32½35
Specialist Teleprinter Operator44
Master11111
Chief Engineer11111
Second Engineer11111
Mate11111
Chief Executive Officer11112
Senior Executive Officer77765
Higher Executive Officer2222242629
Executive Officer6066676971
Clerical Officer219½231½253½255284
Clerical Officer (Secretary)516463½67½75
Clerical Assistant78½98½102½113110

Grade

1961

1962

1963

1964

1965

Superintendent of Typists67999
Shorthand Typists57½646060½54½
Copy Typists117123½128131144
Chef1111
Canteen Manageress 'B'11111
Assistant Canteen Manageress22222

University Students

asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science (1) how many of the 218,000 student places being made available at universities in 1973–74 will be provided by London University; and whether he will arrange for a substantial number of these undergraduate places to be provided by the four major scientific and technological internal institutions of London University having recognised teachers, namely, Northern Polytechnic, Sir John Cass College, West Ham College of Technology, and Woolwich Polytechnic;(2) whether he is aware that it is more economic to provide increased numbers of student places in existing colleges than to build new ones; and whether he will give assistance to the four senior institutions of Northern Polytechnic, Sir John Cass College, West Ham College of Technology and Woolwich Polytechnic to develop along these lines.

The contribution to be made by each university towards the total of 218,000 places to be provided by 1973–74 is a matter for discussion between the University Grants Committee and individual universities. The four colleges mentioned are not constituent parts of the University of London and therefore none of their students contributes towards the target of 218,000 places. I shall, however, continue to encourage the development of appropriate advanced level courses at these and similar institutions of higher education outside the universities. The target for higher education as a whole is 390,000.

Sport And Physical Recreation

asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science what provision was made in the Estimates for sport and physical recreation for the years 1964–65; and what provision will be made in 1965–66.

Provision for direct Exchequer assistance to sport and physical recreation in England and Wales increased from £743,000 in 1964–65 to £1,288,000 in 1965–66. The corresponding figures for Scotland, the Vote for which is the responsibility of my right hon. Friend the Secretary of State for Scotland, are £172,000 and £283,000 respectively. This growth in provision from £915,000 in 1964–65 to £1,571,000 in 1965–66 represents an increase of over 70 per cent.

Denominational Schools (Reorganisation)

asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science whether he will give an assurance that denominational schools reorganised in the course of development of comprehensive education will have the full cost of such reorganisation met by the Exchequer.

I am at present considering representations which have been made to me about this.

Autistic Children

asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science what plans he has, following the conference on the educational needs of autistic children that was organised by his Department in November, 1964, for providing and extending special educational facilities for autistic children in light of the fact that the demand for day and residential school places for such children substantially exceeds the number of such places available.

It is for local education authorities to provide additional facilities and a number are doing so, in consultation with my Department. The rate of progress depends upon the rate at which greater numbers of professional staff become available to deal with all forms of mental and emotional disturbance in children. A diversity of views still exists on the needs of children with autistic symptoms, but we have been much assisted by the conference in advising on individual proposals.

asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science when he proposes to sponsor and establish a residential school for autistic children to supplement the educational facilities for such children that are already available in the school established by the Society for Autistic Children and prospectively available in the school planned by the National Society for Mentally Handicapped Children.

It is for local education authorities to see that special schools are available for handicapped pupils, including those with autistic symptoms. I welcome new proposals in this field and will give sympathetic consideration to any suitable project put to me.

Finchley Catholic Grammar School

asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science if he is aware that the Finchley Catholic Grammar School has no hall, no gymnasium, and no library and that the headmaster therefore has never been able to speak to the whole school together; and whether he will now announce the inclusion of the enlargement project for this school in the 1967–68 programme.

Yes, I am aware of these deficiencies. I will be ready to consider any proposals made by the

Metropolitan Police DistrictCity of London
TotalUnder 1818 and under 21TotalUnder 1818 and under 21
Number of convictions32,2921681,271231Nil8

Marriage Guidance Societies (Grants)

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department what amount was contributed by the Exchequer to voluntary societies for marriage guidance for each of the past three years; and whether lie will accept the recommendation of the Lord Chancellor's Advisory Committee that a substantial increase in grants to marriage guidance bodies is desirable and might result in considerable saving in the cost of legal aid for divorce proceedings.

Barnet local education authority when I come to complete the 1967–68 major building programme.

Bournemouth (Minor Works)

asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science whether, in view of the substantial increase in the cost of carrying out essential improvements in local educational establishments in the County Borough of Bournemouth, he will restore the discretion previously given to the local authority to proceed with improvements costing under £2,000.

No. I am satisfied that the new arrangement will lead to a fairer distribution of available resources.

Home Department

Drunkenness, London (Convictions)

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department what was the number of convictions for drunkenness, and convictions for the age groups under 18 years and between 18 and 21 years, in the Metropolitan Police district, and in the City of London, respectively, during the calendar year 1964.

In the financial year 1962–63 the amount was £33,660. For 1963–64 the grants were increased to £46,375 and the voluntary organisations were informed, so that they might plan accordingly, that the grants would remain at this figure for the two following years.My right hon. Friend is considering the report of the Lord Chancellor's Advisory Committee, and he will be consulting the organisations concerned about the provision that should be made for the period beginning with the financial year 1966–67.

Obscene Matter (Commercial Publication)

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department (1) whether he is aware of the widespread display for public sale of paper-back publications carrying sensational and suggestive cover illustrations; and whether he will take steps to curtail this type of publicity as contrary to the public interest;(2) whether he will seek to prohibit the use of paper-back publication covers except for information concerning title, author, and publishers, or other material wording necessary to identify the contents of the publication.

My right hon. Friend is aware that publications of the kind described are displayed for sale. In his view the Obscene Publications Acts, 1959 and 1964, suffice to deal with the commercial publication of obscene matter, and he has no reason to think that further restrictions are desirable.

Criminological Research (Council Of Europe Fellowships)

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department how many persons concerned with the treatment of offenders and the prevention of crime or engaged in criminological research in this country have been sent abroad under bursarships granted by the Criminological Division of the Council of Europe; and to which countries they have gone.

Since the Council of Europe social welfare fellowships were introduced in 1963 one has been granted to a person from the United Kingdom in the field of criminological research; he visited France. Arrangements are also made through the Council of Europe for exchange visits for staff concerned with the treatment of offenders, and eleven officers of my Department have taken part in such visits since 1961. They visited Belgium, France, the Federal Republic of Germany, Italy, Luxembourg, the Netherlands, Norway, Sweden and Switzerland.

Aliens

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department by what authority he prevents foreign nationals who have committed no offence against British or international laws from entering this country; and whether he will give an assurance that such persons will be enabled and entitled to enter Great Britain without let or hindrance.

The Aliens Order 1953 does not restrict the power to refuse leave to land to aliens who have committed offences, nor could I undertake so to limit its exercise.

East Germans (Visas)

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department whether he will give the number of applicants who have applied to enter Great Britain from the German Democratic Republic during the past 12 months; how many of these applications have been granted and refused, respectively; and what were the grounds for refusal in each case.

During the twelve months ending 28th February, 1965, 986 applications for United Kingdom visas were made to the Visa Officer in West Berlin by East Germans. Seven of these applications were refused. It would be contrary to practice to disclose the reasons.

Wireless And Television

Television Programmes(Impartiality)

asked the Postmaster-General whether he will seek powers to ensure that the British Broadcasting Corporation and the Independent Television Authority preserve in future a balance of impartiality in all programmes concerned with British industry.

The broadcasting authorities are already under a duty to treat controversial subjects with due impartiality.

Post Office

Postmen (Survey Of Pay And Conditions)

asked the Postmaster-General when the committee of inquiry into postmen's pay will report its findings and recommendations.

A special research group has been making a survey of the pay and conditions of service of workers outside the Civil Service who are employed on work broadly comparable to the work of postmen. The group's report will be completed very shortly. It is not a function of the group to make recommendations; the information in its report will form a basis for negotiations between the Post Office and the Union of Post Office Workers about the pay of postmen.

Housing

House-Building Standards

asked the Minister of Housing and Local Government what progress has been made with the definition of new house-building standards; and when these will be published.

I assume that the hon. Gentleman is referring to the specification of standards under the scheme operated by the National House-Builders Registration Council. I understand that the Council will publish some new standards soon, and will complete the revision of the present code after the publication of the new building regulations which my right hon. Friend the Minister of Public Building and Works hopes to make during the summer.

Railways

Workshops And Ancillary Depots (Closures)

asked the Minister of Transport how many railway workshops and ancillary depots have been closed over the past five years.

I understand from the British Railways Board that since 1st January, 1960, the following workshops and ancillary depots have been closed:

Main Workshops11
Wagon Sheet Works6
Wagon Repair Depots77
Carriage Repair Depots20
Steam Locomotive maintenance and servicing depots118
Mechanical Engineering Depots25
Civil Engineering Depots42

British Railways Board (Revenue Deficit)

asked the Minister of Transport why the provision required for the 1964 deficit of the British Railways Board increased from £2 million to £2·9 million between the publication of House of Commons Paper No. 95 and House of Commons Paper No. 117.

The Railways Board cannot make a precise estimate of its revenue deficit for some weeks after the end of the year. The estimate on which the figure of £2 million was based had to be made in mid-January and has proved to be too low.

Transport

Chesham Report (Regulations)

asked the Minister of Transport what progress he has made towards meeting the points raised by the Access to the Countryside Committee of the Automobile Club Union, the Civil Service Motoring Association and the vintage car clubs in connection with the Chesham Report; and when he expects to lay regulations before Parliament.

We have been able to meet some of the points put to my Department during recent months, and draft regulations will be circulated to representative bodies today. The Regulations will be laid before Parliament as soon as possible.

Roads

Traffic Control Signals

asked the Minister of Transport if he will make a statement about all red periods and pedestrian Cross Now signals at road junctions and crossroads controlled by traffic signals in London, with special reference to the junction of King's Road and Sydney Street, Chelsea.

All red periods in traffic control signals are usually provided when it is frequently necessary to hold up entry of more vehicles into a junction for a few seconds so that vehicles already there can first get clear. Where this need is not present they are not a satisfactory way of providing for pedestrians to cross the road.Pedestrian "Cross Now" signals are appropriate where, through one-way working or banned turns, pedestrians can cross one area of a junction while vehicles are using the others. Otherwise they are satisfactory only where both vehicle and pedestrian traffic is heavy.Technical details of arrangements for "Cross Now" phases in the signals at the junction of King's Road and Sydney Street have been agreed. This forms part of a scheme to widen King's Road between Sydney Street and Oakley Street, to install traffic signals at the latter junction linked with those at the former, and to ban the left turn from Sydney Street into King's Road.

Accidents (Metropolitan Police Area)

asked the Minister of Transport what action he will take to curb the number of road accidents in the Metropolitan Police area, and the consequent death, injury and danger in which road-users and cattle have been involved, arising from the enlargement of cattle in Epping Forest.

I am not optimistic that any action within my responsibilities would bring about a significant improvement. I am, however, arranging to discuss the matter further with the City of London.

Docks, Portbury (Communications)

asked the Minister of Transport what access by motorway will be available at the docks which the Port of Bristol Authority propose to construct at Portbury, for traffic to or from the London area, the Midlands, South Wales and the South-West.

The line proposed for the southern section of the Birmingham-Bristol motorway (M.5) passes near Portbury. The docks, if built, would thus have direct access to the Midlands and, via the motorway interchange at Almondsbury in Gloucestershire, to the London-South Wales motorway (M.4) Access to the south-west of England would be provided by the proposed new dual carriageway road between Exeter and East Brent, the present planned terminus of M.5; a survey is now in progress to determine whether it should be built as a continuation of the motorway or as an all-purpose road.

Traffic Signs (Booklet)

asked the Minister of Transport why he approved the issue of the booklet entitled, "The New Traffic Signs"; and what is meant by the wording on the last page of that pamphlet which is intended to explain kerb markings, namely, less than the working day, the working day, more than the working day.

The booklet is designed to familiarise road users with the new signs. The expressions referred to are intended to give some guide to the length of time for which waiting is restricted; as has been the custom for many years with "no waiting" markings the precise times are given on nearby plates.

Shipping

Passenger Handling Facilities, Dover

asked the Minister of Transport what steps will be taken in 1965 to improve passenger handling arrangements and shore facilities at the port of Dover.

Responsibility for the provision of passenger handling facilities at the Port of Dover rests not with me but with the Harbour Board and, in the case of the passenger services using Admiralty Pier, with the British Railways Board. However, I understand that a scheme to improve passenger handling arrangements on the pier is now being carried out by the Railways Board and that the work will be completed in time for the summer season. The improvements will include a number of alterations in the Customs and Immigration areas and, in particular, a quayside corridor to provide shelter for passengers awaiting immigration and customs clearance. At the car ferry terminal, the Harbour Board are carrying out improvements of shore facilities and a new berth is now under construction.

Legal Aid Fund

asked the Minister without Portfolio if he will give the amount of public funds spent on legal aid for 12 months up to December, 1964; and what proportion of this figure was paid for legal assistance in matrimonial cases.

The grant from public funds to the Legal Aid Fund in respect of legal aid for civil cases for the calendar year 1964 was £4·587 million. So far as can be estimated, the proportion

County (including County Borough areas)Registrar General's Mid-YearTotalPercentage
Estimates of Home PopulationChangeChange
195119641951–19641951–1964
Anglesey50,98053,650+2,670+5·2
Breconshire55,70054,320-1,380-2·5
Cardiganshire54,21053,250-960-1·8
Caernarvonshire123,300119,820-3,480-2·8
Carmarthenshire170,600166,600-4,000-2·3
Denbighshire170,400176,840+6,440+3·8
Flintshire145,700155,150+9,450+6·5
Glamorgan1,196,0001,244,290+48,290+4·0
Merioneth41,17038,870-2,300-5·6
Monmouthshire422,700456,230+33,530+7·9
Montgomeryshire45,52043,720-1,800-4·0
Pembrokeshire90,74095,350+4,610+5·1
Radnorshire19,98018,300-1,680-8·4
WALES2,587,0002,676,390+89,390+3·5

of this sum spent on matrimonial cases was approximately 87 per cent.

Wales

Counties (Population Changes)

asked the Secretary of State for Wales what changes have taken place in the population of each Welsh county since 1951; and what proportion these changes represent of the population of each county in 1951.