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Volume 729: debated on Thursday 26 May 1966

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Written Answers To Questions

Thursday, 26th May, 1966

Wales

Welsh Language

3.

asked the Secretary of State for Wales what steps he will take to avoid the discrimination against the use of the Welsh language referred to by the Hughes-Parry Committee, pending legislation to implement the Committee's Report.

I am consulting my colleagues about the steps that might be taken, in advance of legislation, to implement those of the accepted recommendations that do not require legislation.

Education And Science

Diesel Fumes (Research)

25.

asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science what research is being done on the effects of diesel fumes on the health of drivers of railway engines, motor vehicles and others especially exposed to such fumes; and if he will issue a report on the results of such research.

A number of studies have been carried out on the possible hazards to health of diesel fumes in confined situations. None has so far indicated any adverse effect. Reports of these studies are published in the medical and scientific journals.

Independent And Direct-Grant Schools (Selective Employment Tax)

26.

asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science what study has been made of the effect of the Selective Employment Tax on independent and direct-grant schools.

No special stuffy has been made. The Government's promise to consider how charities might be recompensed of course extends to educational charities which include all direct-grant and most public schools.

asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science what will be the effect of the Selective Employment Tax on direct-grant schools.

I would refer the hon. Member to the Answer I gave today to the hon. Member for Chigwell (Mr. Biggs-Davison).

Football (Committee Of Investigation)

33.

asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science on what date, for what purpose and to whom, he or his Department disclosed that he was to appoint a committee of investigation into football and that the chairman would be the hon. Member for Northwich and that the hon. Member for Birmingham, All Saints, would be a member of the committee; and why this information was not first given to the House of Commons.

I announced to the House on 9th February last year that the Government were offering to the football authorities a comprehensive inquiry into the state of football. There have been conversations and I have made preliminary inquiries, and I can only assume that the Press comments to which my hon. Friend refers arise from these.However, I am not yet in a position to announce the terms of reference or the membership of the Committee but I hope to do so shortly.

Audio-Visual Aids (Report)

43.

asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science what action he proposes to take to implement the recommendations of the Brynmor Jones Report on Audio-Visual Aids in Higher and Scientific Education.

I have nothing to add at present to the Answer given to the hon. Member for Norfolk, South (Mr. J. E. B. Hill) on 3rd March.

Secondary Education

44.

asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science what further consultations will take place before he reaches a decision on the City of Manchester's proposals for reorganising secondary education; what consultations have already taken place; and when he will announce his decision.

My right hon. Friend is to meet representatives of the Manchester City Council on 15th June. I have recently met representatives of Manchester parents and head teachers and national and local representatives of the teachers' organisations. My right hon. Friend expects to be able to announce a decision by the end of June.

asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science whether he will encourage deferment of plans for the reorganisation of secondary education on comprehensive lines until such time as the Royal Commission on Local Government in England makes its recommendations.

Educationally Subnormal Children (Redbridge)

asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science how many educationally subnormal children there are in the London borough of Redbridge; and if he will state his intentions regarding the proposed school for them at Little Heath.

There are in Redbridge approximately 150 educationally subnormal children needing education in a special school for children who are so handicapped.The proposal to build the Little Heath School together with all other proposals for special schools for the building programme 1967–70, is currently under consideration.

Teachers (Training)

asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science (1) what action he is taking to encourage a more varied experience for teachers in training; (2) what he is doing to encourage teacher-training colleges to ensure that as many teachers in training as possible gain experience of a comprehensive school.

The colleges of education are already concerned to give their students by observation and school practice as wide an experience as their location and other circumstances permit.

Experience with comprehensive schools will grow as the number of schools of the type increases.

School Meals (Fresh Fruit)

asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science if he will take steps to encourage the provision of apples in school meals.

The quantity of fresh fruit in school dinners has been substantially increased this term with the introduction of new nutritional standards. The choice of fruit provided rests with the local education authority.

Home Department

Street Photographers

45.

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department whether, in view of the fact that the activities of some street photographers are causing unnecessary nuisance in major cities, he will seek powers to control such activities by licence.

Power exists under Section 249 of the Local Government Act, 1933, for County and Borough Councils to make byelaws for good rule and government and for the prevention and suppression of nuisances. So far 38 local authorities have used this power to make a byelaw prohibiting importuning of the public by street photographers in specified streets or public places. My right hon. Friend has no reason to think that additional powers are required.

Migrant Irish Workers (Caravan Traffic)

46.

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department if he will open discussions with the Government of the Irish Republic for the regulation of the entry into the United Kingdom of the growing motor caravan traffic of migrant Irish workers and their families, in view of the police, sanitary and social problems created for the local authorities and permanent inhabitants of cities such as Bristol when these families encamp on temporarily vacant sites created by housing demolition in preparation for reconstruction and development.

No. An immigration control over travellers arriving from the Irish Republic would cause great practical difficulties and inconvenience and my right hon. Friend is not convinced of the need for it.

Metropolitan Police Force (Establishment)

48.

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department to what extent the present establishment of the Metropolitan Police force is full; and how many vacancies there are in the recruitment target for police cadets.

The strength of the Metropolitan Police Force is about a quarter below the establishment of 25,000.The establishment of police cadets is 1,300 and the current strength approximately 740, but the full strength cannot be reached until additional accommodation becomes available in 1967. In the meantime, the intake cannot be more than about 150 in each term, or an annual total of about 450. During 1965, 416 cadets were recruited.

Prison And Police Officers (Compensation)

49.

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department what action he proposes to take to revise the existing arrangements for compensation for the dependents of prison and police officers killed in the course of their duty and for officers disabled as a result of assaults.

The proposals which the Prison Officers' Association have made for revising the existing arrangements for prison officers and their dependants are still under discussion with them.There are no proposals before the Police Council, which is the consultative body on these matters, for revising the arrangements in the police service.

Police Forces (Wireless Sets)

51.

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department what progress has been made in supplying personal radio sets for policemen on patrol.

Over 800 pocket wireless sets purchased last year are now in operation in 71 forces; another 200 sets are available for use as soon as local construction and installation is complete. I have decided to increase the purchase of sets in the current year to 3,000 and I shall shortly be ordering a further 5,000 sets for delivery in 1967–68. In addition, some 750 pocket sets have been separately provided for four forces and more are on order; substantial numbers of pack sets are also being used by policemen on patrol.

Northern Ireland Government (Elections To United Kingdom Parliament)

53.

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department if he will seek discussions with the Northern Ireland Government with a view to legislation to secure the transfer to him of responsibility for the administration in Northern Ireland of elections to the United Kingdom Parliament.

The Northern Ireland Government have no functions in relation to elections to the United Kingdom Parliament.

Prison Service

54.

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department how many men and women joined the Prison Service and how many prison officers left the Service, respectively, during the year ended 31st December, 1965; and how many cases of assault took place in Her Majesty's Prisons during the same period.

438 established men and 40 established women officers were appointed to the prison service, and 295 men and 35 women officers retired or resigned. 43 offence of gross personal violence to officers in prisons were dealt with under the Prison Rules; the total number of assaults of all kinds so dealt with in prisons was 750.

Animals (Specialist Breeding For Research)

57.

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department if he is aware that animal farms are opening in this country with the intention of breeding laboratory animals for sale to research organisations outside the United Kingdom; and if he will take steps to make the export of these animals illegal.

Specialist breeding of animals for research is well-established in the United Kingdom and was recommended by the Littlewood Committee. My right hon. Friend intends to consult interested bodies about the possibility of introducing safeguards for animals exported for research purposes.

Detention Centre, North West

55.

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department what plans he has for the provision of a further detention center in the North West.

Sites are being sought in the North-West for an additional centre for senior boys and for a centre for junior boys.

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asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department what is the total number of people who left the Probation Service in each of the years 1963, 1964 and 1965.

77, 133 and 176 respectively. The figures for 1964 include two officers, and those for 1965 nine officers, who were seconded to prison welfare work which, since 1st January, 1966, has become a responsibility of the probation service.

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department how many of the people who left the Probation Service in the year 1965 entered the children's services.

London Airport (Immigration Checks)

60.

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department what has been the result of his experiment con-

Shops Act 1950

59.

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department if he will seek to amend the shops Act 1950 so as to permit the sale on a Sunday of fishing tackle and equipment.

While I have sympathy with the object of my hon. Friend's Question, there is no prospect in the current session of legislation to amend the Shops Act 1950.

Probation Service

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department what State for the Home Department if he will plans he has for the provision of a further give the figures for recruitment into the Probation Service for each quarter of the years 1964 and 1965, and to 31st March, 1966.

The figures for established officers are as follows:cerning immigration checks at London Airport; what will be the regulations at Whitsun; and if he will make inquiries into the methods adopted at other European or Japanese airports carrying similar numbers of passengers.

As I stated in reply to a Question by the hon. Member on 28th April, the results of the experiment at London Airport are being evaluated in detail and I hope to have a full report shortly. The normal system of segregating arriving passengers will apply at Whitsun. I am informed that segregation is not generally practised at European or Japanese airports.

Prisoners (Life Sentences)

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department how many prisoners there are now in confinement who were originally sentenced, or had their sentence commuted, to life imprisonment and who have now served in excess of 10 years or 15 years.

Seven such prisoners have served In excess of 10 years and four of these in excess of 15 years.

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department what is the number of prisoners, specifying male and female, now in confinement who were sentenced to life imprisonment for murder; and how many are now serving sentences in open prisons or centres.

340 male and 10 female prisoners; of these 24 male and one female are in open conditions.

Police Forces (West Riding)

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department to what extent he is proposing to amalgamate either the probation services or the criminal prosecution departments of those eight West Riding of Yorkshire local authorities whose police forces he proposes to merge into one.

Of the areas concerned, all but one are already combined for probation purposes; my right hon. Friend has no proposals for a further combination.The arrangements for bringing prosecuti ons on behalf of the police is one of the matters for local discussion when an amalgamated force is being formed.

Motoring Offence Summons Defendants Ethnic Description)

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department why the Metropolitan Police recently included a man's ethnic description on a motoring summons; on how many summonses this has previously been done; and what instructions he will give on this matter in the future.

The Commissioner of Police of the Metropolis has told me that this description was typed on the form by inadvertence, and he very much regrets this this occurred. Steps have been taken to prevent any recurrence.

Metropolitan Police (Coloured Applicants)

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department what steps he is taking to encourage the Metropolitan Police authorities to accept suit- able Commonwealth applicants for the police force.

The Commissioner of Police of the Metropolis will glady accept any applicant to join the force who reaches the standard required.My right hon. Friend is studying ways in which a larger number of suitable coloured applicants can be encouraged to come forward.

Bechuanaland

Famine Relief

61.

asked the Secretary of State for the Colonies what assistance, in cash and kind, has been received by Bechuanaland from other countries and from the World Food Programme for the relief of famine; and whether he will make a statement on the shortage of food and fodder there and in Basutoland and Swaziland.

Apart from certain private contributions no assistance has been received by Bechuanaland direct from any countries other than the U.K.The World Food Programme provided food for 60,000 people during September and October last and since then has been providing supplies for 105,000. Approval was recently given for further supplies for up to 360,000 people for the 12 months beginning in July and for a 5-year supplementary feeding programme for children and for pregnant and nursing women, also beginning in July. The famine is expected to continue until 1967. Additionally the World Food Programme is helping with stock feed for the period up to the end of November when it is hoped that normal rains will provide fresh grazing.Supplies of food and fodder in Basutoland are expected to be adequate. Late rains just averted a serious shortage of both. There is no shortage of food or fodder in Swaziland where the crop this year is good.

Economic Affairs

Ordnance Survey Maps (Prices)

62.

asked the First Secretary of State and Secretary of State for Economic Affairs if he is aware that on 1st April the prices of ordnance survey maps were doubled; and if he will refer the matter to the National Board for Prices and Incomes for a decision as to whether this increase is justified.

We are aware that there have been substantial price increases in some cases, but my right hon. Friend does not think that a reference would serve a useful purpose. My right hon. Friend the Minister of Land and Natural Resources gave a full explanation in a Written Answer on 23rd February of the plans for speeding up the re-survey programme and of the increases in map prices, royalties and other charges which were in consequence necessary.

Prices And Incomes Policy

63.

asked the First Secretary of State and Secretary of State for Economic Affairs, in view of the opposition among many trades unions to the voluntary implementation of the incomes part of the prices and incomes policy, if he will now introduce legislation to make that part enforceable by law; and if he will make a statement.

The Government's prices and incomes policy as set out in Cmnd. 2639 has the active support of the Trades Union Congress and numerous union conferences held recently have confirmed their support.My right hon. Friend will shortly be introducing legislation designed to strengthen the application of the voluntary policy for both prices and incomes and to make it more effective.

Yorkshire And Humberside Economic Planning Council

asked the First Secretary of State and Secretary of State for Economic Affairs what is the present establishment, actual and authorised, of the Yorkshire and Humberside Regional Council in Leeds; and what is the present number of rooms occupied as offices or for conference by the Council.

The Yorkshire and Humberside Economic Planning Council is an advisory body and consists of thirty persons appointed from outside the Civil Service. The Council and its sub-committees meet in conference rooms in City House shared with Government Departments.The Council has a common secretariat with the Yorkshire and Humberside Economic Planning Board. The Chairman of the Board and his staff number 14 and they occupy 10 rooms in City House. There are vacancies for one Senior Research Officer and two typists.

Selective Employment Tax

asked the First Secretary of State and Secretary of State for Economic Affairs what steps he proposes to take to prevent price increases beyond the one per cent. forecast as a result of the Selective Employment Tax.

My right hon. Friend the Chancellor of the Exchequer has indicated that he would expect the increase in the cost of living to be well under 1 per cent. even if all changes in costs resulting from the tax were passed on.It is up to traders to make genuine efforts to absorb the tax, like any other increase in costs, through greater efficiency. Where increases in charges for services appear to have been made unnecessarily, it is open to the Government to ask the National Board for Prices and Incomes to investigate.

asked the First Secretary of State and Secretary of State for Economic Affairs what representations he has received from regional economic development councils, or from other organisations in Northern Ireland, regarding the effects of the Selective Employment Tax on balanced regional development.

Board Of Trade

Exporters (North-East Scotland)

64.

asked the President of the Board of Trade what steps he has taken since his letter of 24th February 1966 to the hon. and learned Member for Aberdeen, North, to release in conjunction with the Bank of England credit facilities for firms in North-East Scotland who engage in production and export.

Exporters in North-East Scotland will, I hope, benefit from the improvements in E.G.C.D. guarantees to banks which my right hon. Friend announced on 8th March.

Customs And Excise (Anti-Dumping Duty) Order 1966

66.

asked the President of the Board of Trade why he made the Customs and Excise (Anti-Dumping Duty) Order 1966, S.I., 1966, No. 319, on 23rd March, 1966, to come into operation on 25th March, 1966; and why that Order has not been laid before the House.

This Order was made on 23rd March and brought into force two days later in order to check dumped imports. It was laid before the House immediately Parliament reassembled on 18th April, but it was not necessary to proceed with an affirmative Resolution because the supplier undertook not to export to the British market at dumped prices and the Order has lapsed.

Patent Office (Removal)

asked the President of the Board of Trade whether, in view of the advantages from the point of view of economy, prestige, the availability of suitable clerical labour and the housing of transferred staff, he will move the Patents Office to a new or expanded town such as Swindon.

I expect the intended move of the Patent Office to Croydon, which I announced in a reply on 10th February, to meet these considerations, and in addition that of greater accessibility from central London.

Investment Grants Scheme

asked the President of the Board of Trade on what grounds he made concessions to the working party of the Confederation of British Industry regarding investment incentive allowances; and what other organisations have made representations on this subject.

The modifications which have been made in the investment grants scheme as a result of discussions with the Confederation of British Industry and other organisations are designed to improve the effectiveness and practical working of the scheme outlined in the White Paper on Investment Incentives (Cmnd. 2874). Representations about the scheme have been received from a large number of organisations concerned with industry and commerce.

Design Centre, Cardiff

asked the President of the Board of Trade what progress has been made in establishing an industrial design centre for Wales in Cardiff; and whether he will make a statement.

The C.o.I.D. applied to me for an increased grant in 1966–67 to finance a Design Centre in Cardiff: owing to the need for economy in Government expenditure this could not be approved. I am, of course, ready to consider proposals for extensions of the Council's activities, in the light of their expected contribution to the standard of industrial design, and also in relation to other Government measures designed to improve industrial efficiency generally.

Companies Bill (Shipowners' Profits)

asked the President of the Board of Trade if, in his forthcoming Companies Bill, he will seek to implement the proposal of the Jenkins Report that shipowners' profits be published.

Shipping

Undermanning (Powers To Detain)

65.

asked the President of the Board of Trade if he will introduce legislation to enable him to control the movement of British coastal shipping, in order to ensure that, in the interests of safety at sea, ships do not put to sea without adequate crews.

The Board of Trade already have powers to detain ships which are unsafe on account of under manning or other causes.

Ministry Of Health

Mentally Handicapped Children (Teachers)

67.

asked the Minister of Health if he will discuss with local authorities and the various voluntary organisations concerned the need for specially trained teachers to assist in the training of mentally handicapped children of comparatively high intelligence who are not considered suitable for admission to schools for the educationally subnormal.

The courses approved by the Training Council for Teachers of the Mentally Handicapped are already training the staff of local health authority training centres and hospital schools to deal with the whole range of mentally subnormal children who are unsuitable for education at school.

Dentists (Selective Employment Tax)

asked the Minister of Health whether he will take into account the effect of the Selective Employment Tax on dentists' earnings in the National Health Service.

Yes; the payment of the tax will count as part of the dentists' practice expenses which are reimbursed through their fees, so far as they relate to practice under the general dental services. The effect of the tax will be taken into account in fixing the level of fees for the current year.

Hospitals

Confinements (Bedford)

asked the Minister of Health how many home confinements and how many hospital confinements there have been in the Bedford constituency during each of the past five years; and how many of the latter were at the Bedford Hospital (North Wing).

There are no such statistics available relating to the population of my hon. Friend's constituency, but at the Bedford General Hospital there were 1,583, 1,709, 1,834, 1,862 and 2,251 births respectively in the five years 1961 to 1965.

Kettering General Hospital (Ophthalmic Department Waiting List)

asked the Minister of Health what is the waiting period for an out-patient appointment in the ophthalmic department of the Kettering General Hospital; and how many patients are on the waiting list.

Overseas Development

Aid (British Goods)

68.

asked the Minister of Overseas Development by what criteria he decides what is the right proportion of British overseas aid to be tied to the purchase of British manufactured goods.

I have to take into account first and foremost the needs of the recipient country and the kind of aid which will most effectively provide the right kind of development. Subject to this consideration, our policy is to ensure that as much aid as possible is used to supply British goods.

Ministry Of Defence

Military Satellite Communications System

69.

asked the Secretary of State for Defence what plans he has to transfer communications between his office and British forces and establishments abroad, now carried by British radio and cable links, to a United States satellite chain.

70.

asked the Secretary of State for Defence if he will make a statement on the proposal to use a United States satellite system of communications to maintain the British world-wide defence system.

I have nothing to add to the reply which I gave to the hon. Member for Chigwell (Mr. Biggs-Davison) on 11 th May.

St Mary's Drill Hall, Southampton

asked the Secretary of State for Defence what future plans he has for St. Mary's Drill Hall, Southampton.

The property will not be required for the Territorial and Army Volunteer Reserve. If it is not needed for any other defence purpose or for use by another Government Department it will first be offered to the local authority at the District Valuer's valuation, and, if they do not wish to purchase at that price, it will be sold in accordance with normal procedures.

Military Equipment (Sales)

71.

asked the Secretary of State for Defence what criteria will be used to determine whether or not any State should be included in the drive to increase sales of British military equipment abroad.

Political, economic, strategic and security considerations will continue, as now, to be the criteria used in all cases.

Blighmont Barracks, Southampton

asked the Secretary of State for Defence what future plans he has for Blighmont Barracks, Southampton.

It will be retained for use by the Territorial and Army Volunteer Reserve.

Hms "Britannia" (Weekly Wages)

asked the Secretary of State for Defence what are the weekly wages of able-bodied seamen, cooks and stewards on H.M.S. "Britannia".

About £11 on average, with local overseas allowance and marriage allowance extra for those who qualify.

Ministry Of Labour

Equal Pay

72.

asked the Minister of Labour (1) when Her Majesty's Government will ratify the International Labour Office's Convention against discrimination in regard to the employment of women;(2) when Her Majesty's Government will ratify the Convention on Equal Remuneration.

Her Majesty's Government is unable to ratify either Convention at present because, in the matter of equal pay, the present position in the United Kingdom is not fully in accordance with the detailed requirements of these instruments. In this connection I would refer the hon. Member to the replies I gave to the hon. Member for Clapham (Mrs. McKay) on 6th May and to the hon. Member for Halifax (Dr. Summerskill) on 20th May, 1966.

Building Workers

asked the Minister of Labour what action he is taking to encourage the training of skilled building site workers.

The scheme of training and retraining grants introduced by the Construction Industry Training Board, is aimed at increasing the amount and improving the quality and efficiency of training in the industry. In addition, as a direct contribution towards the training of skilled building workers, the number of training places in Government Training Centres in trades serving the construction industry has been increased from 228 to 2,108 in the last three years and should be increased to 2,488 by the end of the year.

asked the Minister of Labour what action he is taking to encourage workers declared redundant in mining and foundry industries to retrain as skilled building site workers.

Our local officers are instructed to consider all suitable redundant workers registered for employment at Employment Exchanges for retraining in building and other skilled trades at Government Training Centres.

Standard Industrial Classification

asked the Minister of Labour on what evidence establishments are categorised in the Standard Industrial Classification; in what approximate proportion of cases evidence has been obtained from the firm concerned; and what steps are taken to see that the categorisations are kept up to date.

Establishments are classified at local offices of my Department to Minimum List Headings of the Standard Industrial Classification on the basis of information, supplied by employers, about the industrial or commerciai activities carried on at the establishments.

The information is kept up to date by day-to-day contacts with employers, e.g. for placing purposes, from statistical returns, visits to employers' premises etc.

National Finance

Government Departments (Clerical Staff)

74.

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer what plans he has for reducing the number of people employed in Government Departments on clerical work so that they may be made available for industry in general and for exporting firms in particular.

As I stated on 17th May, all Government Departments are enjoined to make full use of modern techniques such as computer installations to economise in the use of manpower.

Government Departments (Computers)

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer (1) if he will list the computers on order by Government Departments, showing the date on which the order was placed, the estimated date of delivery, name of manufacturer, type of computer and the function for which it is to be used, respectively;(2) if he will list all the computers being used by Government Departments, showing the date of installation, name of manufacturer, type of computer and function for which it is used;(3) if he will list the computers being used for scientific purposes in various Government Departments and establishments, showing the date of installation, the name of manufacturer, type of computer and the function for which it is used, respectively.

The information sought in the three Questions is being prepared and will be given as soon as it is available.

Selective Employment Tax

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer what he estimates would be the cost to the revenue of including minerals, classified as Order II in the Standard Industrial Classifications, among those scheduled to benefit from the receipt of premiums under the provisions of the recent White Paper, Command Paper No. 2986.

The nationalised coal industry is to have the tax refunded and, as I announced yesterday it has been decided that extractive industries in the private sector should receive the same treatment. The extra cost of paying premiums would be of the order of £10 million in a full year.

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer if he will estimate the additional costs which will fall upon hotels and boarding houses in Great Britain as a result of the Selective Employment Tax.

The additional cost for the hotel and catering industry as a whole would be in the region of f20-£25 million in a full year at the level of employment in 1965. Separate figures for hotels and boarding houses alone are not available.

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer if he will estimate the cost of exempting from Selective Employment Tax employers who are registered charities.

I regret that this information is not available; there is no central record of staff employed by charities.

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer if he will estimate the cost of exempting employers of registered disabled persons from the Selective Employment Tax.

If all those on the Ministry of Labour register were employed, and the distribution among the three industrial groups was the same as for employees generally, the cost of relief would be over £10 million.

Investment Allowances (Inland Revenue Staff)

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer how many Inland Revenue staff will be released for other duties because of the administration of the cash investment grants by the Board of Trade and the ending of investment allowances.

It is impossible to measure the extent of the easement to the staff of the Inland Revenue through the withdrawal of investment allowances. What there is will be taken up by their increased duties on Corporation Tax and Capital Gains Tax.

Post Office Savings Bank Ordinary Account (Surplus Income)

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer if, after payment of the administrative expenses and interest to depositors at the statutory rate of 2½ per cent., he will use all the surplus income, or a higher percentage than at present, of the Post Office Savings Bank Ordinary Account to make up the capital loss on investments which currently have a value of less than the moneys owed to depositors, rather than continue paying half of this surplus to the Treasury; and if he will make a statement.

This question is reviewed from time to time. I have no further statement to make at present.

Industrial And Commercial Finance Corporation

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer if he will introduce legislation to enable him to set up a body with powers similar to those of the Industrial and Commercial Finance Corporation; and if he will empower this body to extend its activities to Northern Ireland.

I see no need to duplicate the Industrial and Commercial Finance Corporation in this country; the creation of such a body specifically for Northern Ireland would be a matter for the Government of that country.

Agriculture, Fisheries And Food

Seamen's Strike (Food Prices)

75.

asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food whether he is aware that within hours of the commencement of the seamen's strike a number of commodities were increased in price; if he will introduce legislation to prevent these increases being passed on to the consumer; and whether he will ask the National Board for Prices and Incomes to investigate all price increases since 16th May, 1966.

asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food if he will refer to the National Board for Prices and Incomes all food price increases made since the start of the seamen's strike.

I would refer my hon. Friends to the replies to Questions yesterday on the subject of food price control. We are prepared to take immediately any steps which we consider necessary but voluntary co-operation has, so far, worked well. We are not therefore considering a reference to the National Board for Prices and Incomes.

Self-Employed Casual Workers (Selective Employment Tax)

asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food what is his estimate of the increase in the numbers of self-employed casual workers in agriculture which will occur as a result of the Selective Employment Tax.

Agricultural Merchants (Selective Employment Tax)

asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food whether he is aware that of agricultural merchants selling similar products some are classified as manufacturers and others as distributors; and what plans he has for ensuring that the Selective Employment Tax does not give rise to inequity and the distortion of normal trade patterns.

The position of these employers is being considered in the preparation of the forthcoming Bill to provide for payment of refunds and premiums.

Fishery Limits (Policing)

asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food what representations he has received from the North Eastern Sea Fisheries Committee on the need for improved arrangements for policing of the sea within the new British fishery limits; what reply he has sent; and if he will make a statement.

We have received a resolution from the Committee on the need for the presence of a fishery protection vessel throughout the operations of the herring fleet off the coast of the Committee's area.A reply has been sent by my Department, informing the Committee that, subject to any overriding operational requirements of the Royal Navy, the Fishery Protection Squadron will follow their normal practice of allocating a vessel to patrol the seasonal herring fishery off the East coast. My view is that the extension from 3 to 6 miles of the limits from which foreign vessels are completely excluded should tend to reduce, rather than aggravate, the danger of damage to the fishing gear of British vessels.

Livestock (Exports)

asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food how many cows, bulls, heifers, sheep and swine, other than pedigree stock, have been exported from the United Kingdom in 1964, 1965, and 1966 to the latest convenient date.

There are no separate figures for cows, bulls and heifers. The information available is shown in the following table:

EXPORTS OF LIVE ANIMALS (NOT FOR BREEDING) FROM THE UNITED KINGDOM TO ALL DESTINATIONS (INCLUDING THE IRISH REPUBLIC)
Head
196419651966 (January—March only)
Cows, bulls and calves145,094176,51149,921
Bullocks and Heifers153,077141,36518,545
Sheep*325,752403,01945,542
Swine*57,735*37,870*12,641
*These figures include animals for breeding, which were not separately recorded.

Rolled And Flaked Wheat (Tonnage)

asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food if he will estimate the tonnage of wheat of over 18 per cent. moisture content which is likely to be needed for the rolled and flaked wheat market in the cereal year 1966–67.

I am unable to estimate the tonnage. I understand that the market is small but growing.

Vegetable Prices (Stanmore)

asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food what action he has taken about representations made to him on 19th May by the hon. Member for Harrow, East, concerning increases in the price of vegetables at a shop in Stanmore; and if he will make a statement.

Atlantic Federal Union

76.

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs if he is aware that Senate Resolution No. 64 of the United States Congress calls for an exploration of the possibility of Federal Atlantic union; and if he will study this matter with a view to taking a British initiative.

Her Majesty's Government attach importance to strengthening the Atlantic Alliance. But an Atlantic Federal Union is not at present in prospect.

Passports

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs if he will review the arrangements for the issue of passports in an emergency through a local Ministry office so as to ensure that insistence on two identical photographs of the applicant will not be a bar to the issue of a passport.

As a rule applicants for passports and British Visitor's Passports are required to submit two identical photographs. One is affixed to the passport, the other retained as an essential part of the records. In cases of emergency, however, the Passport Office use their discretion and accept photographs which are not identical, always provided that they are both clearly those of the applicant. The Local Offices of the Ministry of Labour, who act as agents for the Passport Office, do not at present have the same latitude, but I am now arranging for this to be extended to them. Meanwhile, if the hon. Member will send me particulars of the case he has in mind I will gladly look into it.

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs if he will review the procedure for applications for and issue of British passports with a view to the simplification or abolition of the passport in its present form.

The procedures for passport issue and applications are under constant review, and I am satisfied that we have gone as far as we can for the present towards the reduction of formalities for ordinary passports and the provision of simplified passports (British V,sitor's Passports) for tourist travel.

Gibraltar

77.

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs, in view of the stressing by Spain in the Anglo-Spanish talks of the rights of the Treaty of Utrecht in 1713, if he will adopt as a basis for negotiation the Treaty of Versailles in 1783 when Spain, in consideration for receiving Minorca and the whole o'! Florida, finally handed over Gibraltar for all time to Great Britain.

Under Article X of the Treaty of Utrecht the town and castle of Gibraltar, together with the port, fortifications and forts, were ceded to Great Britain "absolutely with all manner of right for ever". The Treaty of Versailles, except where special provision was otherwise made, renewed and confirmed nine previous treaties to which Spain was a party, including the Treaty of Utrecht.

Book Development Council

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs what financial support he will give to the Book Development Council.

The Government have agreed to a non-recurrent grant-in-aid to the Book Development Council of £10,000 to be used towards the setting up of a Book Development Council Services Centre, the aim of which will be to increase British book exports. The grant-in-aid will be paid from the Civil Contingencies Fund and a Supplementary Estimate will be laid before Parliament in due course.

Ministry Of Power

North Sea Oil And Gas Deposits

78.

asked the Minister of Power if he will give an assurance that exploitation of North Sea oil and gas deposits takes place in accord with the public interest.

79.

asked the Minister of Power what steps he is taking to promote a fixed price or a cost-plus pricing policy for North Sea oil or gas deposits.

The price to be paid is a matter for negotiation between the purchaser and the licensee. In the event of a disagreement between the Gas Council and a licensee on the price of gas, I may be called upon to exercise my functions under Section 9 of the Continental Shelf Act, 1964.

Coal

Retail Distribution

asked the Minister of Power if he will introduce legislation to ensure public ownership of the retail distribution of coal, in the light of the report of the National Board for Prices and Incomes on the National Coal Board's application for increased prices.

The National Coal Board is already extending its interest in retail distribution and no legislation is needed for this. The National Board for Prices and Incomes is at present investigating coal distribution costs.

Ministry Of Aviation

Aldergrove Airport (Accidents)

80.

asked the Minister of Aviation how many accidents took place during the past six months on the staircase of the terminal building at the civil airport at Aldergrove in County Antrim; and how many took place in other parts of the terminal building during the same period.

London-Continent Routes (Origin And Destination Of Passengers)

asked the Minister of Aviation when the results of the survey of the origin and destination of passengers on routes between London and the Continent will be available.

The analysis is now complete and I have placed copies of the survey in the Library.

British European Airways (Arrivals And Departures)

asked the Minister of Aviation on how many occasions actual departure and arrival times differed from those scheduled on domestic British European Airways flights between 18th April and 20th May, 1966, inclusive; what was the difference in time in each case; and if he will make a statement.

I am informed that 90·5 per cent. of arrivals and 85·6 per cent. of departures from London Airport on the main domestic trunk services were within 15 minutes of the scheduled time over the period in question.

Housing

Mortgage Option Scheme

81.

asked the Minister of Housing and Local Government if he will now take steps to introduce 3 per cent. mortgages; and if he will make a statement.

I would refer to the reply given to my hon. Friend the Member for Salford, East (Mr. Frank Allaun) on 23rd May.

Rent Assessment Committees (Essex)

asked the Minister of Housing and Local Government what rent assessment committees are to serve the Chigwell urban district and Epping and Ongar districts of Essex; and when they will be appointed.

When Part II of the Rent Act is in operation in Essex, members of the Eastern Rent Assessment Panel will be chosen by their President, as needed, to form committees to hear cases arising there. My noble and learned Friend the Lord Chancellor and my right hon. Friend hope to make the first appointments to the Panel shortly.

Local Government

Bristol North Baths (Chlorine Gas)

asked the Minister of Housing and Local Government if he will investigate the circumstances in which a number of Bristol schoolgirls were taken to hospital on Friday, 20th May from Bristol North Baths suffering from the effects of chlorine gas; and what action he proposes to take.

I understand that the girls were affected by fumes caused by the mixing of chemicals when a lavatory at the baths was being cleaned.The Bristol Council which is responsible for the management of the baths is investigating the matter and will no doubt take steps to prevent any recurrence.

Pensions And National Insurance

Unemployment Benefit (Trade Union Membership)

82.

asked the Minister of Pensions and National Insurance if she is aware of the practice of refusing unemployment benefit to men and women dismissed solely because of their refusal to join a particular trade union; and if she will take steps to stop this practice.

Claims for unemployment benefit are decided by independent statutory authorities. I cannot intervene in their decisions, but if the hon. Member will send me details of any case he has in mind I will look into it.

Farmer's Lung Disease

asked the Minister of Pensions and National Insurance why the disease, farmer's lung, has been classified as an industrial injury, thereby ruling out the payment of compensation to small farmers in the self-employed insurance class

Self-employment is not insurable under the Industrial Injuries Act. In relation to insurable employment I have prescribed farmer's lung as an industrial disease under the National Insurance (Industrial Injuries) Act 1965, because I am satisfied, on the advice of the Industrial Injuries Advisory Council, that it fulfils the conditions in Section 56(2) of the Act.A self-employed person who is incapacitated for work by reason of the disease can, of course, receive sickness benefit under the National Insurance Act.

Germany (Reunification)

Q7.

asked the Prime Minister what proposals Her Majesty's Government have for effecting the reunification of Germany and for signing a peace treaty with that country.

The reunification of Germany on the basis of the principle of self-determination and the conclusion of a peace treaty with a freely elected all German Government remain basic aims of the policy of Her Majesty's Government.

Nuclear Tests And Weapons (Control)

Q8.

asked the Prime Minister if he will take an initiative in the convening of a conference of all nuclear Powers with a view to international control of nuclear tests, production, and ownership, in view of recent developments.

Q20.

asked the Prime Minister if he will now take an initiative to convene a conference of all nuclear Powers to bring about international control of nuclear weapons and to prevent further proliferation.

Her Majesty's Government continue to believe that at present the best way to make progress towards agreement on these measures is through the negotiations at the 18-Nation Disarmament Committee in Geneva.

South Africa (Imperial Preference)

Q9.

asked the Prime Minister why he will not withdraw the benefits of Imperial Preference from the Republic of South Africa.

This would involve the denunciation of our Trade Agreement and I see no case for it.

Official Statistics

Q12.

asked the Prime Minister if he is satisfied with the present system of gathering and producting statistics; whether he will establish a Government central statistics bureau; and whether he will make a statement.

I would refer my. hon. Friend to the Answer I gave to a Question by my hon. Friend the Member for Birmingham, Northfield (Mr. Chapman) on 26th April. The Central Statistical Office already serves the Government as a whole.

Government Departments (Use Of English)

Q13.

asked the Prime Minister if he will instruct Ministers and their Departments to use plain English in their official communications and to avoid the use of imprecise jargon; and if he will send to Ministers, "Complete Plain Words", by Sir Ernest Gowers.

No, because the need for clarity is already well known, but if my hon. Friend has any particular complaint in mind perhaps he would take it up with the Minister concerned.

European Launcher Development Organisation (Ministerial Responsibility)

Q14.

asked the Prime Minister what are the responsibilities of the Minister of Aviation, the First Secretary of State and Secretary of State for Economic Affairs, and the Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster, respectively, regarding British participation in the European Launcher Development Organisation.

Departmental responsibility for British participation in the European Launcher Development Organisation rests with my right hon. Friend the Minister of Aviation. As to the responsibilities of my right hon. Friends the First Secretary of State and the Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster, I would refer the hon. Member to my Speech in the Debate on the Address on 21st April.

Vietnam

Q15.

asked the Prime Minister whether he will now withdraw the support of Her Majesty's Government from the policy of the United States Government in Vietnam, in view of the recent bombing of various bridges in North Vietnam, which has disrupted communications to the city of Hanoi; and if he will make a statement.

Q16.

asked the Prime Minister if, in view of the recent United States bombing of all approaches to Hanoi, he will now withdraw support for United States military action in Vietnam, in conformity with his policy that Great Britain will not support any extension of the bombing against North Viet-name by stages to Hanoi and Haiphong.

I have nothing to add to the Answer I gave to a Question by my hon. Friend the Member for Manchester, Gorton (Mr. Zilliacus) on 17th May.

Q17.

asked the Prime Minister what assistance, direct or indirect, will be given by this country to the Australian forces now engaged in the Vietnamese conflict.

Forestry Commission

Q18 and Q19.

asked the Prime Minister (1) whether, after the abolition of the Ministry of Land and Natural Resources, the work of the Forestry Commission in Wales will remain with the Secretary of State for Wales or be transferred to the Ministry of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food;

(2) to which Department the Forestry Commission will be attached after the Ministry of Land and Natural Resources has been dissolved.

I would refer my hon. Friend to the Answer I gave on 24th May to a Question by the hon. Member for Dorset, West (Mr. Wingfield Digby).

Seamen's Strike

Q21.

asked the Prime Minister if he will seek to hold a round table conference, chaired by himself, between the seamen's union and the shipowners to see if the present dispute can be resolved.

I would refer my hon. Friend to the Statement made earlier this afternoon by my right hon. Friend the Minister of Labour.

Family Poverty (Memorandum)

Q22.

asked the Prime Minister what reply he has made to the memorandum on family poverty presented to him on 23rd December 1965 by The Child Poverty Action Group; and if he will make a statement.

I would refer my hon. Friend to the Answer I gave on 25th January to a similar Question by my hon. Friend the Member for Fife, West (Mr. William Hamilton).

Defence Research And Development Establishments

asked the Prime Minister whether he will take steps to transfer all research, development and experimental establishments under the control of the Service Departments to the Ministry of Technology.

Some defence research and development establishments, mainly those under the Ministry of Aviation, are now undertaking civil as well as military research, and we are considering the transfer of some of these.

Ministry Of Public Building And Works (Change Of Name)

asked the Prime Minister on how many occasions and from whom he received proposals to change the name of the Ministry of Public Building and Works to the Ministry of Construction; and how many of these requests were made between October, 1964 and March, 1966.

I am not aware of any specific requests, but I know of the suggestion by my right hon. Friend, the Member for Leeds, West (Mr. C. Pannell) that this title should be adopted.

Royal Commissions And Committees Of Inquiry

asked the Prime Minister what reports have been called for by Her Majesty's Government and have not yet been published; what subjects are being reported upon; under whose chairmanship; and when they are expected to be published.

I would refer the hon. and gallant Member to the Answer I gave to a similar Question by the hon. Member for South Angus, on 3rd March. (Mr. Bruce-Gardyne).

Land Development (Responsibility)

asked the Prime Minister whether he will take steps to transfer responsibility for the use and development of land outside urban areas to the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food.

Guyana (Independence Gift)

asked the Prime Minister whether it is proposed that gifts should be presented to the Government and Legislature of Guyana to mark Guyana's attainment of Independence on 26th May.

The whole House will, I feel sure, wish to send hearty con- gratulations to Guyana on her Independence, with best wishes for the happiness and prosperity of her people. Her Majesty's Government will propose that this House should offer a gift to the Guyana National Assembly. Her Majesty's Government for their part have decided to offer a suitable gift to the Government of Guyana to mark this happy occasion.

Ceylon

Shell Company Of Ceylon Ltd

asked the Secretary of State for Commonwealth Relations if he will make a statement on the position arising from the vesting in and requisitioning for the Ceylon Petroleum Corporation of property and assets of the Shell Company of Ceylon Ltd.

The position has developed satisfactorily since 26th July, 1963, when the right hon. Member for Streatham (Mr. Sandys)—the then Secretary of State for Commonwealth Relations—in a written reply in relation to this matter, informed the then hon. Member for Hornsey (Lady Gammans) that whilst the British Government did not contest the right of any Government to nationalise undertakings in its territory they expected that in such an event prompt, adequate and effective compensation in accordance with the principles of international law would he paid to the British interests which might be affected.The Ceylon Government have recognised their obligation to pay compensation and have agreed with the Shell Company that in determining the appropriate amount due the principle of fair market value should be recognised as applying to the overall settlement of the Shell Company's claim. The terms of the settlement were embodied in an Agreement between the Ceylon Government and the Shell Company which was signed in Ceylon on 22nd June, 1965, and the Ceylon Parliament has enacted legislation to give legal effect to that Agreement. The British Government are happy that the Shell Company's claim should have been settled on a basis which is satisfactory both to the Ceylon Government and to the Company and it is a matter of satisfaction to them that the Agreement recognises that, in determining the appropriate compensation due, the principle of fair market value applied to the overall settlement.

Public Building And Works

Farm Buildings (Fire Regulations)

asked the Minister of Public Building and Works when he proposes to amend the Public Health Act 1961 with regard to fire regulations governing farm buildings.

Subject to the completion of the consultations required by Section 9 of the Act, it should be possible to make an appropriate amendment to the Building Regulations 1965 within the next two or three months.

Construction Industry (Computers)

asked the Minister of Public Building and Works what action his Department is taking to encourage the use of computers in the construction industry.

There is an increasing recognition within the construction industry of the importance of the computer as a tool for research, design and management. Computers are already being used on a wide variety of applications and efforts are being made throughout the industry to extend the range of their use.If the greatest benefit is to be obtained from these efforts a co-ordinated approach to the many problems involved is essential. I have appointed a standing committee under the chairmanship of Mr. R. T. Walters, C.B.E., F.R.I.B.A., M.I.Struct.E., of my Department, with the following terms of reference:

"To keep under review the present and potential applications of computers in the construction industry, taking account of experience and trends in other industries; to identify areas in which there is a need for co-ordination of effort; to examine the need for action to secure the wider application of existing knowledge and the promotion of further advances; and to make recommendations."

The members of the Committee will be as follows:—

Professor G. Black, D I.C., B.Sc., Ph.D., F.I.P., Department of Mathematics (Computation), Manchester College of Science and Technology.
Mr. R. H. Braybon, M.B.E., T.D., F.I.O.B., J.P., Managing Director, T. J. Braybon, Sons Limited, Builders and Contractors
Mr. J. A. C. Burnand, B.Sc., Assistant Manager, Building Development Group, Imperial Chemical Industries Limited.
Mr. P. H. Dunstone, T.D., F.R.I.C.S., Partner Monk and Dunstone, Quantity Surveyors.
Mr. A. J. Gordon, F.R.I.B.A., Dip.Arch. (Cardiff), Partner, Alex. Gordon and Partners, Architects.
Mr. W. K. Jackson, F.C.A., Company Secretary and Accountant, Concrete Limited, Specialist Sub-Contractors.
Mr. S. M. Lovell, C.B.E., E.R.D., T.D., M.I.C.E., A.M.I.Mun.E., A.M.T.P.I., F.I.H.E., County Engineer and Surveyor, County Council of the West Riding of Yorkshire.
Mr. P. F. Miller, Systems Analyst, Production Control Department, John Laing Construction Ltd.
Mr. S. Murray, F.R.I.C.S., Chief Quantity Surveyor, Scottish Special Housing Association.
Mr. B. Scruby, A.M.I.C.E., M.I.Struct,E., M.Soc.C.E., (France), M.A.S.C.E., M.Cons.E., Partner, Sir Frederick Snow and Partners, Consulting Engineers.

Industrial Monuments (Preservation)

asked the Minister of Public Building and Works what changes he is making in his policy for preserving industrial monuments.

Within the framework of existing legislation and the available resources my right hon. Friend proposes to treat industrial monuments on the same lines as the more traditional ancient monuments. This means that suitable industrial monuments will be statutorily listed and that particularly outstanding ones will in appropriate cases be considered for protection, for the offer of grants, or for acceptance into my right hon. Friend's care. He will be appointing to the three Ancient Monuments Boards additional members who are expert in this field. He is also in touch with the Confederation of British Industry about the important role which we hope industry itself will play in the preservation of its own heritage.As already announced the national survey of industrial monuments will be continued under the auspices of the Council for British Archaeology and with the help of a grant from the Ministry.

Field Monuments (Protection)

asked the Minister of Public Building and Works what action he proposes to take about the increasing damage arising from agricultural and other development, which is being caused to archaeological field monuments such as burial mounds, settlements and earthworks of various kinds.

I have decided to set up a small independent committee with the following terms of reference:—

"To consider whether, in the light of present-day conditions, changes are needed in the scope and/or use made of the existing powers and arrangements for the protection of field monuments; and to make recommendations."
I have appointed Sir David Walsh, K.B.E., C.B., as Chairman of this Committee and the following have agreed to serve as members:—

  • Professor R. J. C. Atkinson, M.A., F.S.A. Sir John Cockram
  • Mr. J. R. Fell
  • Mr. C. M. Floyd, O.B.E., F.R.I.C.S., F.L.A.S. Professor W. F. Grimes, C.B.E., M.A., D.Litt., F.S.A.
  • Mr. R. B. K. Stevenson, M.A., F.S.A.
  • Mr. A. R. Wannop, O.B.E., F.R.S.E.

I am considering the appointment of one further member.

Land And Natural Resources

Economic Minerals Survey

asked the Minister of Land and Natural Resources what progress has been made with the economic minerals survey in England and Wales.

Field work on the first phase of the survey has recently started.After consultation with my right hon. Friends concerned and following the advice of the Natural Resources Advisory Committee, I am giving priority to a survey of sand and gravel resources to the extent that it is needed to supplement existing information about deposits potentially capable of economic exploitation. The most urgent need for greater knowledge is in parts of South-East England where the Chelmsford and Ipswich areas are being studied first. The aim is to establish potentially workable reserves, a category between possible reserves as shown on geological maps and reserves proved by detailed exploration by the industry. New concepts are involved and the experimental first year's work will provide the opportunity for appropriate techniques to be tried and developed.

The field work will be done on an agency basis by the Institute of Geological Sciences (incorporating the Geological Survey of Great Britain, the Museum of Practical Geology and the Overseas Geological Surveys), a constituent body of the Natural Environment Research Council. Other government facilities (e.g. for drilling and analysis of samples) will be used where appropriate.

The industry, through the Sand and Gravel Association of Great Britain, has welcomed the survey and promised to co-operate by providing information relating to the areas selected for investigation where this is available.

Scotland

Industrialised Building

asked the Secretary of State for Scotland (1) what measures he is taking to exploit the system-building potential more fully;(2) if he will make an estimate of the demand for contracts by firms engaged in industrialised building.

The National Building Agency, as well as appraising particular industrialised building systems, maintains contact with its sponsors and obtains up-to-date information about their productive capacities.My Department's consideration of the house-building programmes of public authorities will, as explained in S.D.D. Circular No. 68/1965, help to determine the extent to which these systems should be used in various areas and will lead to collaboration between the authorities, the Department and the Agency in organising joint programmes using the systems.In addition, my hon. Friend, the Joint Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State has had meetings both with system sponsors and with local authorities in order to identify problems which will have to be resolved.

Building Land (Acquisition)

asked the Secretary of State for Scotland if, in view of the scarcity of professional staff qualified in the problems of building land acquisition, he will take steps, by legislation or otherwise, to encourage the training of such staff.

The training of professional staff is largely a matter for the professional bodies concerned, who are fully alive to the needs, and intervention by me through legislation or otherwise would not be appropriate.My particular concern is to ensure that the educational facilities match the present and future needs of students during their professional training, and my Department consults the professional bodies about this as occasion demands.

asked the Secretary of State for Scotland (1) what action he proposes to take to speed up the acquisition of building land by local authorities;(2) what machinery he has to help local authorities to plan three to five years ahead, and ascertain the availability of land.

I am sending my hon. Friend a copy of S.D.D. Circular No. 68/1965, in which following publication of the White Paper "The Scottish Housing Programme 1965 to 1970", all local authorities were asked to plan their housing programmes for five years ahead and were given advice on action needed to achieve these programmes. The programmes of major authorities are now being examined and discussed with them in detail in order to identify and deal with local problems such as availability of land. This is the start of a continuous process of consultation which will also embrace such matters as programming of development plan submissions and land purchases, use of Valuation Office services, and efficient operation of the statutory procedures for acquisition.

Hospital Pay Beds

asked the Secretary of State for Scotland if he intends to undertake a review of pay bed policy; and if he will make a statement.

Yes. After discussion with the Scottish Joint Consultants' Committee I propose to take certain measures including a review of the number of pay beds in hospitals, the introduction of charges for private out-patients, the abatement of charges when paying patients are temporarily absent from hospital, the introduction of pay bed charges on a national basis for different classes of hospitals and a system whereby a total number of pay beds will be approved in each hospital instead of particular beds set aside. The necessary amending legislation will be introduced when opportunity permits.

Public Investment

asked the Secretary of State for Scotland what was the total of public investment in Scotland, at 1965 prices, in the financial year 1965–66.

The White Paper on the Scottish Economy (Cmnd. 2864) estimated that public investment in Scotland for 1965–66 would amount to £360 million. The total amount of actual investment is not yet known.

Teachers' Salaries

asked the Secretary of State for Scotland what action he proposes to take in the light of the report of the National Board for Prices and Incomes on Scottish teachers' salaries.

The Government are grateful to the National Board for Prices and Incomes for its careful examination of those aspects of Scottish teachers' salaries referred to it on 24th January. In the Government's view the report affords no grounds for varying the award now current and I shall accordingly, in making final salaries regulations with effect from 1st April, proceed on the general basis of the scales and allowances set out in the draft regulations issued on 31st January and since given effect in the provisional regulations made on 7th March. Before making final regulations, however, I intend to discuss with the Scottish Joint Council for Teachers' Salaries points arising from the representations submitted on the draft regulations. The Board's recommendations about the timing of future salary negotiations will be carefully considered.

Transport

Building And Civil Engineering Works (Contracts)

asked the Minister of Transport how many contracts for building and civil engineering works let by agent authorities of her Department, which have an estimated completion date of May, 1968 or later in the United Kingdom, her department entered into before 3rd May, 1966 with a standard form of contract without a variation clause; and what is the total value of he contracts.

Three, of a total value of £7·3 million, excluding contracts under £100,000, details of which could not be given without a disproportionate expenditure of time and labour.

asked the Minister of Transport how many contracts for building and. civil engineering works let by agent authorities of her Department in the United Kingdom, which have an estimated completion date of between May, 1967 and May, 1968, her department entered into before 3rd May, 1966 with a standard form of contract without a variation clause; and what is the total value of the contracts.

Twenty two, of a otal value of £28·5 million, excluding contracts under £100,000, details of which could not be given without a disproportionate expenditure of time and labour.

London Transport Board (Financial Return)

asked the Minister of 'Transport what net return she proposes to require the London Transport Board to make on its average net assets after depreciation but before interest.

It would be inappropriate to fix a new financial target of the kind the hon. Member suggests in the Board's present circumstances. My right hon. Friend intends to review their budgets each year before submitting Estimates for payment of grant under the limits proposed in the Transport Finances Bill.

Railways

Aviemore-Forres Line (Closure)

asked the Minister of Transport whether the planning bodies concerned have yet considered the effects of the closure of the Aviemore-Forres railway line on development.

The Highland Transport Board and local planning authorities gave their views before a decision on the closure was taken.My right hon. Friend cannot say whether the planning authorities have considered its effects since. My right hon. Friend, the Secretary of State for Scotland, has, however, announced today the setting up of a local consultative group for North-East Scotland. This group will be considering, as part of its task, the transport needs of the area in relation to development, including, no doubt, any effects that the closure of this line might have on development.

asked the Minister of Transport whether she will direct British Railways to retain the track of the Aviemore-Forres railway line, so that the service can be restored when this has been shown to be necessary.

No. My right hon. Friend is satisfied that the arrangements for the Board to consult her before disposing of the route of a closed line, are a perfectly adequate safeguard for the future.