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Volume 731: debated on Tuesday 5 July 1966

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Written Answers To Questions

Tuesday, 5th July, 1966

Technology

Dounreay Experimental Research Establishment (Research Facilities)

1.

asked the Minister of Technology if he will investigate the possibility of using the general research facilities in fast reactor technology which exist in Dounreay for the general benefit of North-East Scotland.

The research facilities at the Dounreay Experimental Research Establishment are too highly specialised to provide assistance to local industry. The existence of this Establishment in North-East Scotland is of general benefit to that region.

Nuclear Ships

4.

asked the Minister of Technology if he will state the policy of Her Majesty's Government on the development of nuclear propelled ships; and what further assistance the Government will give to this enterprise.

Last July my right hon. Friend the President of the Board of Trade announced the Government's decision that the prospects of building a nuclear ship which would be economic to operate were too remote to justify the large Government expenditure necessary to build a prototype.Nothing has happened since to change the Government's view and the A.E.A.'s programme of work remains as then outlined by my right hon. Friend.

Merseyside

9.

asked the Minister of Technology whether he will devise a joint experiment by a computer and a model of the Irish Sea coast taking in the Solway Estuary, Morecambe Bay and the Dee Estuary whereby the feasibility of reclamation of the three estuaries and the building of a bridge across the Mersey without endangering the port of Liverpool and other ports on this coast can be reasonably assured.

No. These three areas—Solway Estuary, Morecambe Bay and Dee Estuary—in which other Ministeries are also interested, are being considered separately. A further crossing of the Mersey will be considered in the light of the current transportation survey of the whole Merseyside conurbation. If any of these investigations show the need, further work will be undertaken.

Departmental Staff (Security)

8.

asked the Minister of Technology what steps he is taking, in view of his forthcoming increased responsibilities for aviation, to ensure maximum security for the officers and staff of his Department.

Security will be fully maintained. The hon. Member would not expect me to give details.

Arms And Weapons Of War

11.

asked the Minister of Technology if he will list the categories of arms and weapons of war which are manufactured by the industries for which he is responsible or for which he has the sponsorship.

Scientific Research Establishments (Selective Employment Tax)

18.

asked the Minister of Technology what arrangements he has made for certifying the applications of firms which consider they are eligible for receipt of premiums under the Selective Employment Tax; and when he will have fully dealt with such applications.

Appropriate departmental arrangements have been made for certifying scientific research establishments covered by Clause 1(2) of the Selective Employment Payments Bill after the Bill becomes law. It is clearly not possible to say at this stage when all such applications will have been dealt with.

Scientific Manpower (Committee Report)

asked the Minister of Technology how far information on the use of scientific manpower obtained by the Committee on Manpower Resources for Science and Technology is used as the basis for Government policy.

The Committee will shortly submit its report to my right hon. Friend the Secretary of State for Education and Science and myself on the 1965 triennial survey of engineering, scientific and technological manpower, and related flatters. The conclusions and recommendations will certainly be seriously considered by the Government in formulating policy.

Research Stations

asked the Minister of Technology how many of the staff of the Gov-

StationNon Industrial StaffIndustrial StaffTotal
Building Research Station548142690
Fire Research Station11724141
Forest Products Research Laboratory13341174
Laboratory of the Government Chemist395Nil395
Hydraulic Research Station14479223
National Engineering Laboratory507280787
National Physical Laboratory1,2423881,630
Torry Research Station12076196
Warren Spring Laboratory30389392
Water Pollution Research Laboratory12341164

asked the Minister of Technology if he will give details of the expenditure during the years 1964–65 and 1965–66 on each Government research laboratory for which he is responsible.

Building Research StationFire Research StationForests Products Research Laboratory
1964–651965–661964–651965–661964–651965–66
Salaries etc. (Subhead I)888,147168,730225,439
945,760183,421233,482
Capital (Subhead J)65,7086,07613,721
57,21910,19228,716
General (Subhead K)127,38026,40521,475
135,51624,84921,554
Outside Research (Subhead L)3,7901,3891,508
3,880107931
Gross Total1,085,025202,600262,143
1,142,375218,569284,683
Receipts (Subhead Z)105,586151,10625,247
101,807148,51025,177
Net Total979,43951,494236,896
1,040,56870,059259,506

ernment research laboratories are now on temporary secondment to industrial concerns and to industrial research associations.

asked the Minister of Technology if he will publish in the OFFICIAL REPORT the numbers of staff employed on 1st April, 1966 in each of the Government research stations for which he is responsible.

Details of expenditure, on the 10 Ministry of Technology research stations, from the Votes of the Department of Scientific and Industrial Research in 1964–65 and Ministry of Technology in 1965–66 are given in the following table.

Hydraulics Research StationLaboratory of Government ChemistNational Chemical Laboratory*

1964–65

1965–66

1964–65

1965–66

1964–65

1965–66

Salaries etc. (Subhead I)257,746538,912356,754
261,488559,402
Capital (Subhead J)29,50625,98058,006
17,04931,576
General (Subhead K)72,96248,79845,601
66,53452,714
Outside Research (Subhead L)33114,864
Gross Total360,545613,690475,225
345,071643,692
Receipts (Subhead Z)216,73620,56719,514
302,43047,607
Net Total143,809593,123455,711
42,641596,085
*Amalgamated with National Physical Laboratory w.e.f. 1st April, 1965.

National Physical Laboratory

National Engineering Laboratory

Torry, Research Station

1964–65

1965–66

1964–65

1965–66

1964–65

1965–66

Salaries etc. (Subhead I)1,814,542869,177222,867
2,307,957956,157236,703
Capital (Subhead J)529,569160,72718,139
798,382409,38649,122
General (Subhead K)372,229179,79682,923
439,114199,43277,151
Outside Research (Subhead L)44,00028,991
71,02536,197
Gross Total2,760,3401,238,691323,929
3,616,4781,601,172362,976
Receipts (Subhead Z)939,669118,66638,186
1,080,318192,29731,539
Net Total1,820,6711,120,025285,743
2,536,1601,408,875331,437

Warren Spring Laboratory

Water Pollution Research Laboratory

TOTAL

1964–65

1965–66

1964–65

1965–66

1964–65

1965–66

Salaries etc. (Subhead I)484,755208,5206,035,589
508,755224,3036,417,428
Capital (Subhead J)128,1155,9461,041,493
139,0519,9371,550,630
General (Subhead K)115,66943,0641,136,302
126,13149,5811,192,576
Outside Research (Subhead L)14,912109,785
16,005128,145
Gross Total743,451257,5308,323,169
789,942283,8219,288,779
Receipts (Subhead Z)83,10426,5141,744,895
53,03426,5252,009,244
Net Total660,347231,0166,578,274
736,908257,2967,279,535
NOTE.—1965–66 figures—provisional as at 30th June. 1966.

British Computers

asked the Minister of Technology whether he is satisfied that the design of British computers is more advanced than that of computers imported from the United States of America and other countries; how British costs compare with the costs of those imported from overseas; and if he will make a statement.

In general the design of British computers is as advanced as that of imported computers and British computers are competitive.

Automation Projects

asked the Minister of Technology if he will give details of those projects in which the National Research Development Corporation is encouraging the development of automation by introducing risk-saving agreements with private companies.

N.R.D.C. is providing some support for the following projects in the field of automation: —

  • (i) A number of projects with Elliott Automation for the installation of automatic plant in various industries; arrangements concluded so far relate to the Wolvercote Paper Mill and plant in a Distillers Co. factory. Three or four other projects are under consideration.
  • (ii) A joint programme with I.C.T. for research and development on office automation.
  • (iii) Automatic Spinning Project with the Shirley Institute.
  • (iv) Automatic Racking Machine for Laundries with Short Bros. and Harland, Belfast.
  • (v) Automatic Foundry Plant with Henry Wallwork & Co. Ltd.
  • (vi) Hoverkiln with Shelley Electric Furnaces Ltd.
  • (vii) Photo-typesetter with Purdie McIntosh (Electronic Developments) Ltd.
  • (viii) Numerically Controlled Lathe with B.S.A. Tools Ltd.
  • National Finance

    £Sterling

    35.

    asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer what has been the fall in the real value of the £ sterling since 15th October, 1964, to the most recent convenient date.

    On the basis of the change in the index of retail prices, the purchasing power of the £ sterling, taken as 20s. in October, 1964 was about 18s. 6d. in May, 1966, the latest date available.

    44 and 45.

    asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer (1) to what extent the West German Bank has assisted in measures to save the pound;(2) to what extent the Bank of Switzerland has assisted in measures to save the pound.

    asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer if he will publish in the OFFICIAL REPORT a table showing the internal purchasing power of the £ sterling as 20s. in 1914, and then the value in each year since in shillings and pence to the latest convenient date.

    The figures for the years 1914–1964 will be found in column 138 of the OFFICIAL REPORT for 22nd January, 1965. The corresponding figure for 1965 is 3s. 11d.

    Post-War Credits

    29.

    asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer what amount of money was paid out in each of the years 1960 to 1965 to the holders of Post-War Credits; and what is the total amount unpaid at the present date.

    The amounts of Post-War Credits, together with interest, paid in the last six calendar years were as follows:

    £ million
    196025
    196118
    196254
    196330
    196417
    196518
    The estimated amount at present outstanding is £215 million on which £38 million interest has accrued so far.

    Income Tax (State Retirement Pensions)

    34.

    asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer what would be the cost of exempting retirement pensioners from the payment of Income Tax on State retirement pensions; and if he will make a statement.

    Paye (Construction And Civil Engineering Industries)

    36.

    asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer what proposals he has to deal with the evasion of Pay-As-You-Earn arising from the extension of labour-only sub-contracting in the construction and civil engineering industries.

    Arrangements were introduced last year under which the Inland Revenue secure regular returns of payments made to sub-contractors in these industries.

    Selective Employment Tax

    37.

    asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer what representations have been made to him as to the likely effect of the proposed payroll tax on food delivery services in rural areas; and what replies he has made.

    A number of representations have been made about the effect of the tax on delivery services generally. My right hon. Friend has replied that as the tax represents a very small proportion of retail turnover he does not believe it will have serious effects.

    48.

    asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer if he will direct the Bank of England to clarify the extent to which banks may advance credit to finance the initial payment of the Selective Employment Tax.

    I would refer the hon. Member to my statement on 27th June, c. 1259–1261.

    Inland Revenue (Administrative Grade Officers)

    40.

    asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer if he will state the number of administrative grade officers of the Inland Revenue on complement and in post at the most recent date.

    The complement is 61 posts, of which 51 are filled by administrative grade officers. The remainder are filled by the secondment to Principal posts of officers of comparable rank in other Branches of the Department.

    Wealth Tax

    41.

    asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer if he will state the estimated current yield to the public revenue of a wealth tax levied at an aver-rate of 1 per cent. on estates of £20,000 and above.

    About £175 million if the tax applies only to the slice of wealth above £20,000.

    Gold Coins

    42.

    asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer to what extent it is the purpose of his regulations to ensure that individuals holding as part of personal jewellery in excess of four gold coins minted after 1837 are subject to S.I., 1966, No. 438.

    43.

    asked the Chancellor of the Exhequer what estimate he will make of the number of coin collectors in Great Britain; and what estimate he will make of the number of individuals likely to be holding an excess of four gold coins minted after 1837.

    Baor (Support Costs)

    46.

    asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer what is the result of his discussions with the West German Minister of Finance about the support costs of British troops in Germany; and if he will make a statement.

    Our discussions are at an early stage and I am not in a position to make a statement.

    Finance Bills And Associated White Papers (Printing Costs)

    asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer what has been the cost of printing Finance Bills and associated White Papers in each of the last five years including 1966.

    The costs of printing Finance Bills and associated White Papers in the last five years are:

    Finance Bill (all stages) £Associated Papers £
    19621,702
    19632,045
    1964 (April and November)1,690
    196510,8592,194*
    19662,140†417‡
    * Cmnd. 2645 Taxation of Capital Gains, Cmnd. 2646 Corporation Tax.
    †Estimated for printing carried out to date.
    ‡Cmnd. 2986 Selective Employment Tax.
    These costs were in all cases covered by sales receipts.

    Customs (Cost Of Control And Duty Collected)

    47.

    asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer what is the cost to the Customs of inspecting travellers' baggage; and what is the duty received on undeclared articles as a result of this inspection.

    The cost is about £1,450,000 a year. The duty collected (which is not, of course, the only object of the control) is about £1½ million a year; no separate figure is available for undeclared articles.

    Government Publications (Printing Costs)

    asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer what has been the cost of priming Government publications in each half year period since 1st January, 1963.

    PeriodParliamentary Papers £000Other Stationery Office Publications £000
    April to September, 1963276411
    October, 1963 to March, 1964353574
    April to September, 1964245461
    October, 1964 to March, 1965397584
    April to September, 1965377553
    October, 1965 to March, 1966470619

    Blind Persons (Tax Allowance)

    asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer how many blind persons are at present being allowed tax allowance of £100.

    About 12,000 in 1963–64, the latest year for which figures are available.

    Retail Sales Tax

    asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer what estimate he has made of the rate of sales tax which would be necessary, excluding food and items such as alcoholic drink, petrol and tobacco already subject to other taxes, in order to yield the same revenue as the present rates of Purchase Tax; and what flat rates of Purchase Tax on the same items he estimates would be required to yield the same results.

    Assuming that the hon. and gallant Member has in mind a retail sales tax on all consumer goods and services other than the exclusion which he mentions, the Answer to the first part of his Question would be theoretically 5½ per cent If in the second part of his Question he is thinking of taxation at the wholesale stage this system is applicable only to goods not services, and the corresponding figure would be 11 per cent. on the narrower base.

    Investment Overseas

    asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer how much money was invested by this country overseas in the years 1951 to 1964; and how much income this now produces.

    Nearly £3,500 million in the years 1952 to 1964 inclusive. The income from this new investment is not available separately.

    Local Government

    Dawley New Town (Consultants' Report)

    50 and 56.

    asked the Minister of Housing and Local Government (1) what information about the delay in the publication of the consultants' report on the possible extension of the designated area of Dawley New Town was given by his Department to the Press, before it was given to the House or to the local authorities affected;(2) why the consultants' report on the possible extension of Dawley New Town will not now be ready in July, as was originally expected.

    The consultants' report on possible development at Wellington/Oakengates is being slightly delayed so that it may benefit from extensive population and economic investigations now going on. My Department has not given the Press any information about this delay.

    Rate Collection (Lancaster And Oldham)

    51.

    asked the Minister of Housing and Local Government by what authority rates are being collected upon half a house in the County of Lancaster and the remaining half in the County Borough of Oldham; and why neither half qualifies for rate rebate.

    The law recognises as a rateable hereditament a part of any property which lies within a single rating area; in this case the occupier does not qualify for rebate because the rates on each part are below £3 15s. 0d. per half year.

    Government Sites (Circular 100 Procedure)

    asked the Minister of Housing and Local Government whether he will reconsider Circular 100 procedure in respect of development on Government sites in order to provide for better consultation between Government Departments, local authorities and other interested parties.

    No. The Circular 100 procedure requires consultation with the local authorities concerned in all cases of development by Government Departments except secret and minor proposals and there is adequate provision for consulting other interested bodies where this is desirable.

    Nuclear War (Disposal Of Urban Population)

    53.

    asked the Minister of Housing and Local Government what arrangements have been made for the large-scale evacuation of the urban population of this country in the event of the threat of a nuclear war.

    A scheme was prepared in 1962 for the dispersal of about ten million people, mainly children under 18 and their mothers, from the most heavily populated areas in the country. The scheme is now being revised, in consultation with the local authority associations and transport organisations, in order to make it simpler and quicker.

    Private Streets (Existing Laws)

    52.

    asked the Minister of Housing and Local Government whether he is aware of the increasing hardship of the operation of the existing laws relating to private streets; and whether he will now take steps to relieve this hardship.

    I know that some people consider it a hardship to have to pay road charges, but it is a long established principle that the cost of making up private streets should be shared between the frontagers, in proportion to the length of frontage. The Advanced Payments Code, where it is in operation, has greatly eased the position for purchasers of new houses whose share of road charges is now included in the purchase price. For owners of older houses, there are various means by which hardship can be mitigated—for example, under the 1892 Code a council may have regard to degree of benefit, and under section 210 of the Highways Act 1959 they can make a contribution to the cost of the work.

    Housing

    Improvement Grants

    54.

    asked the Minister of Housing and Local Government whether he is satisfied that there is sufficient local publicity given to the restrictions placed upon the payment of improvement grants by local authorities; and if he will make a statement.

    Great care is taken to ensure that applicants for improvement grants are made aware of the conditions attached to them. Information in leaflet form is available at council offices. In the campaign maintained by the Department through travelling exhibitions and publicity in the local Press attention is directed to the conditions for the payment of grant.

    55.

    asked the Minister of Housing and Local Government whether he will seek to amend the legislation concerning the payment of improvement grants in order to allow an appeal to him in the event of a grant being refused.

    My right hon. Friend is not satisfied that provision for appeal would be right in relation to discretionary grants; there is already provision for standard grants which can be claimed as of right subject to certain conditions.

    London Rent Assessment Panel (Outstanding Cases)

    asked the Minister of Housing and Local Government how many appeals to the Rent Assessment Panel are outstanding; how long they have been outstanding; and what are the reasons for the delay.

    Over 200 cases were received by the London Rent Assessment Panel in each of the last four months and there were 860 cases outstanding at 2nd July. Delay has arisen because both the number of cases and the amount of work involved in each one exceeded expectation. Measures are in hand to overcome these initial difficulties.

    asked the Minister of Housing and Local Government how many appeals to the Rent Assessment Panel are outstanding in the Borough of Hackney.

    On 2nd July 17 cases from the Borough of Hackney were outstanding at the London Rent Assessment Panel.

    Option Mortgage Scheme (Discussions)

    asked the Minister of Housing and Local Government what progress he has made in his discussions with building societies and other interested parties over the implementation of the option mortgage scheme.

    A good deal of progress has been made in these discussions and I hope to be able to make a statement on the result of them fairly soon.

    Commonwealth Relations

    Commonwealth Secretariat (Programme)

    57.

    asked the Secretary of State for Commonwealth Relations what is the present programme of work of the Commonwealth Secretariat which was set up recently; how far it has progressed with that programme; what is its future plan of work; and when its Report will be available.

    I would refer my hon. and learned Friend to the reply given to the hon. Member for Sutton Coldfield (Mr. Geoffrey Lloyd) on 14th June.

    Salaries And Administrative Expenses

    58.

    asked the Secretary of State for Commonwealth Relations what has been the cost of the Commonwealth Relations Office in the last three financial years.

    I assume the hon. Member is referring to salaries and other administrative expenses of the Department. Separate Vote provision for these costs ceased on 1st January 1965 when the Commonwealth Relations Office and the Foreign Office were combined to form the Diplomatic Service; consequently no separate figures for the total administrative costs of the Commonwealth Relations Office after 31st December, 1964 can be produced.

    Oversea Migration Board (Servicing Cost)

    59.

    asked the Secretary of State for Commonwealth Relations how much was the total cost to public funds of the Oversea Migration Board during the period of its existence.

    The cost of servicing the Board since it was appointed in 1953 was approximately £2,000. The cost of producing and publishing the Board's Reports as White Papers between 1959 and 1965 was £1,235. Figures showing the cost of the Board's Reports before 1959 are not available.

    asked the Secretary of State for Commonwealth Relations what was the cost to public funds of the Oversea Migration Board since 1962: what machinery exists for stimulating Commonwealth migration; and whether he will make a statement.

    For the years 1962 to 1965 inclusive the cost of servicing the Board amounted to aproximately £500. The production and publication as a White Paper of the Board's Annual Statistical Reports cost £543; a total of £1,043. Annual statistics of emigration would of course have been published in similar form if the Board had not existed.No British Government machinery exists for stimulating Commonwealth emigration; but the Canadian, Australian and New Zealand Governments maintain active migration departments in their High Commissions in London which are responsible for the recruitment of British migrants to those countries.

    Commonwealth Countries (British Journalists (Expulsion)

    asked the Secretary of State for Commonwealth Relations on how many occasions within the last five years British journalists have consulted his Department in respect of expulsion from Commonwealth countries; and if he will list those countries and the names of the newspapers concerned.

    About a dozen. With permission I will send the hon. Member details separately.

    Nigeria

    Press Correspondent (Deportation)

    60.

    asked the Secretary of State for Commonwealth Relations what representation he made to the Government of Nigeria concerning the expulsion of the Observer and Guardian correspondent, and with what result.

    Representations have been made both orally and in writing by the High Commissioner. He has expressed concern at the deportation of a journalist who had been in Nigeria for more than three years. He has pointed out that no reason had been given by the Nigerian Government and that deportation at such notice would be liable to be regarded as discriminatory by public opinion in Britain.The High Commissioner's request for reconsideration was not met, but there was a temporary postponement.

    Rhodesia

    Anglo-Zambian Talks

    61.

    asked the Secretary of State for Commonwealth Relations if he will make a statement on the recent Anglo-Zambian talks in Lusaka.

    The purpose of my hon. Friend's most recent talks was to discuss with the Zambian Government measures necessary to intensify sanctions against the illegal régime in Rhodesia. After a full and useful exchange of views these talks were adjourned on 30th June.

    Radio Zambia (Zanu Broadcast)

    asked the Secretary of State for Commonwealth Relations why Her Majesty Government made no representations in Lusaka about the Z.A.N.U. broadcast from Radio Zambia on 11th May advocating guerrilla operations in Rhodesia to follow the Sinoia outrage and calling for support in Rhodesia for such exploits; and whether he will make a statement.

    I am confident that the Government of Zambia are fully aware of our feelings in these matters. The hon. Member will no doubt know that since the broadcast mentioned, the Zambian authorities have publicly condemned killings by anyone in Rhodesia.

    Board Of Trade

    Small-Wiring Cables (Aluminium)

    62.

    asked the President of the Board of Trade whether he is aware of the difficulties being caused to electrical contractors as a result of the present shortage of copper; and whether he will seek discussions with the Institute of Electrical Engineers with a view to the authorisation of aluminium for small-wiring cables as a suitable substitute for use in house wiring.

    Electrical contractors generally are able to obtain their requirements of copper products. Producers and users of small-wiring cables are currently discussing the technical problems involved in using aluminium as well as copper for house wiring, and we are in close touch with the trade associations concerned.

    Ministry Of Aviation

    Space Probe Radome, Christchurch

    asked the Minister of Aviation what consultations he had with the local authority before a decision was taken to erect the space probe radome at Steamer Point, Friars Cliff, Christchurch, adjacent to a residential area.

    Full consultation took place in accordance with the procedure laid down in the Ministry of Housing and Local Government Circular No. 100 and on 26th July, 1965, the Clerk of the Hamps lire County Council advised the Director of the Signals Research and Development Establishment that there was no objection to the development.

    Aldermaston (Nuclear Weapon Tests)

    64.

    asked the Minister of Aviation what nuclear weapons or parts of weapons are being made or tested at Aldermaston.

    Concord Project (Workers)

    asked the Minister of Aviation how many men in the British aircraft industry are presently engaged in work on the Concord project.

    About 5,000 people are directly engaged. In addition the work of other people which can only be attributed partly to Concord is estimated to be equivalent to another 5,000 full-time jobs. The numbers will rise considerably as the programme gets under way.

    Bechuanaland

    Relay Station, Francistown

    65.

    asked the Secretary of State for the Colonies what representations have been received by the Queen's Commissioner in Bechuanaland from local political leaders against the transmitter at Francistown and the presence there of British military forces; what action has followed; and whether he will make a statement.

    In January, Mr. Mpho, President of the Botswana Independence Party, asserted that the relay station and the presence of troops threatened Bechuanaland's security and were a pretext for the establishment of a permanent British military post to suppress opposition and create a one-party State. The Bechuanaland Government replied that there were no grounds for these allegations.

    European Economic Community

    Q7.

    asked the Prime Minister when and from whom he obtained evidence that the member countries of the European Economic Community had problems which they needed to solve before the United Kingdom could make progress towards entering the Community; what is the precise nature of these problems; and how long he estimates it will be before they have all been satisfactorily sorted out.

    Q9.

    asked the Prime Minister what representations he has received from Common Market countries about the problems they must resolve before opening negotiations for British entry to the Common Market.

    I have received no specific representations, but it is no secret that the Community have been engaged on a number of difficult problems since their resumption of normal work in February, and that not all of these have been fully resolved.

    Vietnam

    Q10.

    asked the Prime Minister what consultations are taking place between members of the Commonwealth Peace Mission with a view to seeking a peaceful solution to the war in Vietnam.

    Commonwealth Governments are in frequent touch with each other on all matters of common concern.

    Q14.

    asked the Prime Minister what representations he has made to President Johnson about the terms of a settlement to the conflict in Vietnam.

    I am in frequent contact with President Johnson about Vietnam, but the terms of a settlement would be a matter for negotiation between the parties concerned.

    asked the Prime Minister what is the estimated population living within a radius of half a mile from the targets in the Hanoi and Haiphong areas which were the subject of United States bombing on 29th June.

    asked the Prime Minister if he will give the precise map references of the targets in the Hanoi and Haiphong area which were the subject of United States bombing on 29th June.

    I understand the co-ordinates for the Hanoi oil storage facilities are:

    • 21° 03' 41" N.
    • 105° 53' 48" E.
    and for the Haiphong facilities:
    • 20° 52' 18" N.
    • 106° 39' 30" E.

    asked the Prime Minister (1) if he will state the actual date, some three weeks ago, when he was informed by Mr. Dean Rusk of the intention of the United States Government to bomb in the vicinity of Hanoi and Haiphong;(2) on what date he was first informed by President Johnson of the United States Government's intention to initiate large-scale bombing in the vicinity of Hanoi and Haiphong.

    As I have frequently explained, I cannot divulge the details of confidential exchanges between President Johnson and myself, or between Mr. Dean Rusk and myself. But I can say that the notice I received was in good time for me to inform President Johnson of our intention to make a statement on the lines of that reported to the House on 29th June.

    Minister Of Transport (Speech)

    Q11.

    asked the Prime Minister whether the public speech made by the Minister of Transport in London on Saturday 25th June on the seamen's strike represents the policy of Her Majesty's Government.

    Television And Broadcasting (Special Minister)

    Q12.

    asked the Prime Minister if he will appoint an additional Minister to the Postmaster-General's De partment with special responsibility for television and broadcasting; and if he will make a statement.

    Far East

    Q13.

    asked the Prime Minister if he will make a statement on the policy of Her Majesty's Government for the maintenance of the political and military stability of the Far East, and on the part to be played by this country in helping to resist Communist Chinese subversion of the area.

    As the Defence White Paper made clear, we intend to honour our commitments and to contribute, with our allies, to functions of peacekeeping East of Suez. Our economic aid and technical assistance to Asian countries helps them to develop the internal strength to resist Communist subversion.

    Shipping Industry (Inquiry)

    Q16.

    asked the Prime Minister what decision he has reached on the proposed inquiry into the efficiency of the shipping industry; and what are to be the terms of reference.

    These matters are under consideration and I hope an announcement can be made soon.

    National Union Of Seamen

    Q17.

    asked the Prime Minister what official discussions he has had concerning pressures on the control of the Seamen's Union with the Trades Union Congress General Council and their Finance and General Purposes Committee; and what was the outcome of these discussions.

    I have nothing to add to the speeches I made in the House on 28th June.

    asked the Prime Minister on how many occasions since the commencement of the seamen's strike he has officially interviewed or spoken to Mr. Hogarth or the executive committee of the National Union of Seamen; when was the first time; and on how many occasions he discussed with them the internal political control of their Union.

    I have nothing to add to the speeches I made in the House on 28th June.

    European Launcher Development Organisation (Cost)

    Q18.

    asked the Prime Minister whether he will state the cost of the European Launcher Development Organisation from its inauguration and the prospective annual cost of British participation to 1970, with percentum figures for Great Britain's contribution in each instance.

    The costs of the European Launcher Development Organisation up to the end of March 1966 was approximately £80 million of which the United Kingdom's share was about £31 million. The prospective annual cost will depend on the programmes of work and the scale of contributions both of which are to be further discussed at the European Launcher Development Organisation Ministerial Conference on 7th and 8th July.

    South Arabia (General Service Medal)

    asked the Prime Minister whether he will make a statement on the granting of a General Service Medal for service in operations in South Arabia from 1st August, 1964.

    Yes. Her Majesty has approved proposals for the grant of a General Service Medal for specified service in the South Arabia operations. A short Command Paper on the subject is available in the Vote Office.

    Prime Ministers' Conference (Date And Place)

    Q19.

    asked the Prime Minister whether agreement has yet been reached on the date and place of the next Prime Ministers' Conference.

    The Secretary General of the Commonwealth Secretariat has been conducting consultations with Heads of Commonwealth Governments about the next Commonwealth Prime Ministers' Meeting It has now been agreed that it would best serve the general convenience if a meeting were held from 6th-15th September in London. The British Government naturally welcome this opportunity of again being host and I have conveyed an invitation on their behalf to our Commonwealth colleagues.

    Agriculture, Fisheries And Food

    Pigs (Bacon Production)

    asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food, in view of the facts that the reduction in pig guarantee payments in the first quarter of this fatstock year will result in an overestimate lower than that contained in the Annual Price Review, that marketings of pigs in the remaining three quarters of the year are expected to be lower, and that the nett cost of pig meat to processors has increased, whether he is satisfied that sufficient home bacon will be produced to meet the agreed quota tinder the International Bacon Market Sharing Understanding for 1966–67; and if he will make a statement.

    I accept that pig supplies in the current fatstock year will fall below last year's level, and that the cost of pigs to processors is likely to be higher, but I cannot yet say what the effect may be on the amount of bacon produced over the year as a whole.

    Cats (Export Licences)

    asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food if he is aware that export licences for cats are not ordinarily available within a period of a week; what action he proposes to shorten this delay; if he is aware of its consequences for the export of live animals; and if he will make a statement.

    No export licences are required for cats, but some countries require official certification that this country is free from rabies and that the animals were not imported during the preceding six months. Applications for such certificates should normally be made seven days before the shipment to cover postal transmission and to allow time for any further approval required from consular or other sources; but late applications are dealt with as quickly as possible and when necessary at very short notice.I have heard of no difficulties caused to the export trade but will gladly investigate any brought to my attention.

    Ministry Of Defence

    Married Officers And Other Ranks

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence (1) how many other ranks in the Armed Forces under the age of 21 years are married; and how many have children;(2) how many officers in the Armed Forces under the age of 25 years are married; and how many have children.

    1,165 officers and 3,850 other ranks. No record is kept of the number who have children.

    Married Quarters

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence how many applications for married quarters abroad have been turned down because of Queen's Regulation 1240; how many applications were from married men with children; and for how long this regulation has applied in its present form.

    The Regulation has applied since 1946. No record is kept of inquiries from non-entitled personnel.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence what married quarters are available for other ranks and officers, respectively, in the Armed Forces outside the shores of Great Britain.

    5,387 for officers and 26,628 for other ranks. In addition, there are 2,326 hirings at present in use by officers and 10,013 by other ranks.

    Hms "Eagle"

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence what has been the longest single period of continuous sea time performed by H.M.S. "Eagle"; what was the nature of the operation; when any surface ship of the Royal Navy last exceeded this period; how many officers and men were involved; and whether he will consider a special form of recognition of this service.

    During her surveillance of the Mozambique Channel H.M.S. "Eagle" spent 71 days continuously at sea. This has established a Royal Navy record for aircraft carriers in peace-time. Other classes of surface ship in the Royal Navy have probably at some time exceeded this period, but this could not be confirmed without considerable research. H.M.S. "Eagle" has a complement of 240 officers and 2,350 ratings. Her performance of this arduous task was in accordance with the highest standards expected of ships and aircraft of the Royal Navy.

    Rhodesia (Royal Navy Operations)

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence what ships of the Royal Navy have been involved in operations concerned with the application of sanctions against Rhodesia; and how many aircraft sorties have been flown by ship-based and shore-based aircraft, respectively.

    H.M. Ships "Eagle", "Ark Royal", and a number of frigates, supported by ships of the Royal Fleet Auxiliary. Carrier-based aircraft flew about 2,300 sorties amounting to about 3,500 flying hours, shore-based aircraft flew about 100 sorties totalling about 900 flying hours. Sorties were also flown by helicopters from other ships but we do not have figures readily available.

    Education And Science

    Schoolchildren (Spina Bifida And Hydrocephalus)

    asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science if he will provide estimates of the number of children suffering from spina bifida and hydrocephalus who will be requiring lull-or part-time education in each local education authority in 1967, 1968 and 1969.

    Information on which to base a valid estimate by each local education authority area is not at present available.

    asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science if he will provide details of the number of children suffering from spina bifida and hydrocephalus who were receiving full-time or part-time education in each local education authority area in each of the years 1961 to 1956.

    Passports (Application Form "A")

    asked the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs what is the purpose of Section 5 on Application Form "A" for a passport.

    Section 5 of the passport application form "A" is for the benefit of the travelling public. If the Passport Office knows the destination and purpose of a journey it provides helpful advice and literature in cases where the applicant might encounter difficulty. Furnishing the date of departure enables the application to be given priority if it is submitted at short notice.

    Home Department

    Immigrants

    asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department whether he will issue instructions that all people who arrive in this country but are refused admission by an immigration officer should be helped to contact a diplomatic representative of their own country before being sent home.

    Immigration Officers are already instructed to assist persons refused admission who wish to get in touch with diplomatic representatives. I am aware that practical difficulties arise from time to time, and I am considering what might be done to get round them.

    Metropolitan Police (Trial Of L J Bradbury)

    asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department whether he is aware of certain allegations made in evidence against senior officers of the Metropolitan Police during the trial of L. J. Bradbury in South Africa; and what steps he will take to clear the names of the police officers who were named.

    My right hon. Friend has had the transcript of the trial examined. He is told that it contains no record of any allegation against any officer of the Metropolitan police.

    Fugitive Offenders Act

    asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department when he intends to introduce legislation to amend the Fugitive Offenders Act.

    Prison Service Establishments

    asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department what was the approximate cost of food, clothing, bedding and medicines for all persons detained in penal and reformatory institutions, exclusive of the overhead costs of the buildings, staff, etc., and the number of such detainees for the latest calendar year for which such statistics are available.

    Figures are available for financial years only. The latest information for prison service establishments in England and Wales is as follows;

    1964–65
    Daily average population29,757
    Food£1,311,200*
    Clothing and bedding£385,000†
    Medicines£52,000
    * Includes about £94,000 for prison farm produce at estimated market value.
    † Cost of raw material for prison manufacture plus £32,000 for purchased articles

    Indian Boys (United Kingdom Passport)

    asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department whether an Indian boy aged 12 years and above, resident here for five years, can, under his regulations, obtain a United Kingdom passport at the end of his five years' residence.

    To obtain a United Kingdom passport he would have first to become a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies. My right hon. Friend has power to register him as such a citizen and I am sending the hon. Member a leaflet explaining the procedure.

    Private Security Organisations

    asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department if he will seek power to regulate, licence, or take into public ownership those security firms who specialise in providing a service to protect cash movement.

    My right hon. Friend is not at present convinced of the need for any such action, but he will keep the position of the private security organisations under review.

    Ministry Of Labour

    Retail Prices Index (1960–66)

    asked the Minister of Labour what has been the percentage increase in the cost of living in each of the past seven years, taking January, 1959, as 100; and what is the latest available figure for 1966.

    Following is the information:

    Retail Prices Index rebased with 13th January, 1959 taken as 100Percentage change compared with previous January
    12th January, 196099·5−0·5
    17th January, 1961101·7+2·2
    16th January, 1962106·4+4·6
    15th January, 1963109·3+2·7
    14th January, 1964111·4+1·9
    12th January, 1965116·5+4·6
    18th January, 1966121·6+4·4
    17th May, 1966124·3(+2·2)

    Ministry Of Labour Gazette (Cost)

    asked the Minister of Labour whether he will refer to the National Board for Prices and Incomes the increase in the cost of obtaining information previously available in the Ministry of Labour Gazette from 3s. 6d. to 6s. 9d.

    No. The new style Ministry of Labour Gazette is essentially an entirely new publication, larger and with improved layout, which, in addition to more comprehensive statistics, includes an authoritative review of the latest trends in labour and industrial matters. This could not be produced without increasing the price from 3s. 6d. to 5s. 0d. The details of monthly changes in rates of wages and hours of work, are now published separately at a cost of 1s. 9d. monthly.

    Construction Industry (Training Of Craftsmen)

    asked the Minister of Labour how many men were retrained as craftsmen for the building industry in 1964 and 1965; what are the numbers in each trade; how many have completed training in 1966; and how many are now undergoing training.

    There were 953 men trained and retrained in Government Training Centres as craftsmen for the construction industry in 1964 and 2,326 in 1965. The number in each trade was as follows:

    Trade19641965
    Bricklaying177608
    Carpentry404892
    Heating and Ventilating84
    Painting and Decorating3741
    Plastering13104
    Plumbing82135
    Contractors Plant Mechanic190280
    Electrical Contracting21103
    Street Mason and Paviors2979
    Total9532,326
    In 1966, 1,547 men had completed training by 13th June. On the 13th June 1,909 men were in training.

    Coal

    Welsh Steam Coal (Summer Price)

    asked the Minister of Power if he will give the summer price of steam sterilising coal to the horticultural industry for a 60-ton lot for the years 1965–66, respectively.

    I have no information on delivered prices, but the pithead price of Welsh large dry steam coal per ton was 132s. 9d. until 1st April this year, when it was increased to 162s. 9d. There is no summer reduction for industrial coals.

    Post Office

    Dog Licences

    asked the Postmaster-General what was the number of dog licences issued in England and Wales in 1950 and in each subsequent year.

    The information in respect of the years ended 31st March, 1950 to 1965 is as follows:

    19502,890,505
    19512,735,629
    19522,741,168
    19532,700,873
    19542,674,707
    19552,665,456
    19562,673,921
    19572,608,814
    19582,547,226
    19592,503,744
    19602,540,045
    19612,515,481
    19622,550,107
    19632,598,488
    19642,645,374
    19652,659,629
    The information in respect of the year ended 31st March, 1966 is not yet available.

    Pensions And National Insurance

    Industrial Injuries Benefit (National Assistance)

    asked the Minister of Pensions and National Insurance if she will seek powers to protect widows from being required to repay the National Assistance grants made to their late husbands whom an inquest has found to have died of pneumoconiosis.

    I do not think this is necessary. I think my hon. Friend has in mind a situation where industrial injuries benefit is awarded retrospectively for a period during which the late husband received National Assistance. In these circumstances, under Section 13 of the National Assistance Act, 1948, the arrears due are abated only to the extent by which the amount of assistance paid exceeded the assistance that would have been paid had the benefit been received in the period for which it was due.

    Contributions (Product Of Additional Penny)

    asked the Minister of Pensions and National Insurance what is the product of an additional penny on the weekly National Insurance contributions.

    Rather more than £5 million a year per penny on the contribution paid jointly by an employed man and his employer, with other contri- butions increased proportionately; this includes supplements from the Exchequer amounting to about one-fifth of the total.

    Personal Case

    asked the Minister of Pensions and National Insurance if she will hold an inquiry into the case of the late David Hughes of 4 Shard Street, Sutton, St. Helens, Lancashire, whose widow, a constituent of the hon. Member for St. Helens, has had the sum of £68 18s. National Assistance withheld from her after her husband was found at an inquest to have died of pneumoconiosis.

    I would refer my hon. Friend to the reply I have given him today on the general principle involved. I am writing to him about the case of the late David Hughes.

    Students

    asked the Minister of Pensions and National Insurance what the total cost to the Exchequer would be of granting exemption to full-time students on courses at universities, technical colleges and teacher-training establishments from the obligation to refund National Insurance contributions over the first six years of their full-time employment.

    Students are under no obligation to pay National Insurance contributions in respect of periods of full-time study, but if the hon. Member has it in mind that the Exchequer should pay Class 3 (non-employed) contributions in respect of the categories of students mentioned the present cost would be of the order of £15 million a year.

    asked the Minister of Pensions and National Insurance what the cost to the Exchequer would be of extending the range of National Insurance cover of students on full-time courses at universities, technical colleges and teacher-training establishments to include sickness and maternity allowance, injury benefit, disablement benefit and industrial death benefit, listing the cost of each item separately.

    Students fall into the category of non-employed persons and to provide them with cover for the benefits mentioned would involve a fundamental change in the National Insurance scheme. But on the basis that the Exchequer had to pay the full cost of a Class 1 (employed person's) stamp for the categories of students mentioned the present cost would be of the order of £30 million a year. The resulting cost to the National Insurance Funds of providing the benefits mentioned cannot be estimated.

    Old-Age Pensioners (Marriage)

    asked the Minister of Pensions and National Insurance what effect the marriage of two old-age pensioners has, under her regulations, on their respective pensions.

    I have written to my hon. and learned Friend about the point he has in mind. I hope that he will let me know if there is any further information which he requires.

    Public Building And Works

    Government Departments, London (Office Space)

    asked the Minister of Public Building and Works what is the total amount of office space occupied by Government Departments within the London area; how this compares with October, 1964; and what changes are to be made within the next five years.

    About 15 million sq. ft. in the Greater London Area, excluding Post Office buildings, compared with about 14 million sq. ft. in October, 1964.Changes over the next five years will take account of variations in numbers, improved standards and dispersal policy.

    Scotland

    Croft Head Fence, Shetland (Cost)

    asked the Secretary of State for Scotland what was the cost of the erection of 690 yards of croft head fence to Kirkabister, Bressay, Shetland in 1962; and what was the cost of the Land Court hearing at Lerwick on 14 June and the subsequent appeal by the Crofters Commission to the Court of Session.

    The cost of the fence was assessed for grant at £157 3s. 6d. It is not practicable at this distance of time to cost the Land Court hearing and subsequent appeal, which settled an important principle of general application.

    Transport

    Two-Tone Horns

    asked the Minister of Transport whether she will take steps to deal with the discordant noises made by two-tone horns.

    No. These horns may be used only by police, fire, ambulances and certain other special services in an emergency; their purpose is to warn people that the vehicles need priority.

    Roundabouts (Right Of Way)

    asked the Minister of Transport when she hopes to standardise the drill for vehicle drivers approaching roundabouts.

    I would refer my hon. Friend to the Answer I gave to the hon. Member for Southgate (Mr. Berry) on 29th June.

    Roads

    M1 (Contractors' Work)

    asked the Minister of Transport what steps she is taking to prevent annoyance to the residents of Selston and Pinxton arising out of contractors' work on the MI.

    I am sorry that some inconvenience to residents is unavoidable on large road-building projects. The contractors are doing all they reasonably can to reduce the nuisance, and for the Department to interfere with their arrangements would only prolong the work.