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Volume 736: debated on Tuesday 22 November 1966

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Written Answers To Questions

Tuesday, 22nd November, 1966

Technology

Machine Tools

4.

asked the Minister of Technology how many firms have applied to try out newly developed British machine tools purchased by and sponsored by his Department.

A large number of firms have inquired about the possibility of their trying out the advanced machine tools for which my Department is negotiating pre-production orders. The exact figure of total applications is not available.

Motor Manufacturing Industry (Output And Employment)

11.

asked the Minister of Technology what consultations he has with the car industry about the long-term level of output and employment of the industry.

The industry is now reviewing its plans for the future, and consultations about them will follow. The production prospects will be explored in the normal way with industry in the National Advisory Council for the Motor Manufacturing Industry of which I am Chairman.

Hydrofoil Craft

19.

asked the Minister of Technology whether he will make a grant of £20,000 to a company or research association for building a small hydrofoil craft for experimental purposes.

The Ministry of Technology is prepared to consider, with the others concerned, any proposal for the development of such craft that is supported by adequate technical and economic data.

20.

asked the Minister of Technology whether he is aware that fast hydrofoil craft are being operated by Russia, the United States of America, Italy, Germany and other countries, whilst there are none in Great Britain; and what study is being made of the technical aspects of this type of craft so as to encourage the building of a prototype craft in this country.

Yes. The Ministry of Technology is studying developments aimed at solving the problems of operating fast hydrofoil craft in rough seas, and the National Physical Laboratory has carried out the hydrodynamic design of such a vessel for the Royal Canadian Navy. The question of building a prototype in this country will be considered when results of the Canadian trials are available.

Electronics Industry (Statistics)

23.

asked the Minister of Technology what steps he is taking to adjust the statistics of the electronics industry, as recommended in the National Economic Development Council Report on Electronics.

The Report of the Economic Development Committee for Electronics referred to contains in paragraph 150 a summary of the steps which are being taken by the Ministry of Technology.

Industrial Research Associations (Grants)

asked the Minister of Technology if he will list the research associations which receive financial support from his Department in the current year, stating in each case the amount of financial support and the amount of money which they raise from their members.

Forty-eight industrial research associations are aided by the Ministry of Technology by grants which are estimated to amount to just over £3·3 million in the current financial year; the grant earning income raised from their members is likely to be £7·6 million. In addition to the grant earning income the research associations are likely to receive a total sum of the order of £2 million from repayment work of all kinds (from non-members as well as members, including Government Departments) interest from investments, licensing fees etc. It is not possible to break down the income of individual associations from these various sources.The estimated grant payments in 1966–67 to co-operative Research Associations and corresponding grant earning incomes are:

£000

Grant

Grant Earning Income

British Baking Industries Research Association4872
British Brush Manufacturers' Research Association610
British Cast Iron Research Association81202
British Ceramic Research Association88220
Civil Engineering Research Association100100
Coal Tar Research Association3295
British Coal Utilization Research Association165550
British Coke Research Association51170
Cotton Silk and Man-made Fibres Research Association117349
Cutlery and Allied Trades Research Association1220
Drop Forging Research Association1723
Electrical Research Association98350
British Hat and Allied Feltmakers' Research Association38
File Research Council1212
Research Association of British Flour-Millers3074
British Food Manufacturing Industries Research Association50100
Fruit and Vegetable Preservation Research Association2039
Furniture Industry Research Association4372
Gelatine and Glue Research Association69
British Glass Industry Research Association4488
Heating and Ventilating Research Association2338
Hosiery and Allied Trades Research Association2665
British Hydromechanics' Research Association4189
British Industrial Biological Research Association9865
British Iron and Steel Research Association2001,333
British Jute Trade Research Association2541
Lace Research Association1319
British Launderers' Research Association4480
British Leather Manufacturers' Research Association3666
Linen Industry Research Association2850
Machine Tool Industry Research Association7296
Motor Industry Research Association67225
British Non-Ferrous Metals Research Association83184
Research Association of British Paint, Colour and Varnish Manufacturers3380
British Paper and Board Industry Research Association46108
Printing, Packaging and Allied Trades Research Association68151
Production Engineering Research Association of Great Britain150285
British Scientific Instrument Research Association194136
Rubber and Plastics Research Association of Great Britain91150
British Ship Research Association501852
Shoe and Allied Trades Research Association47110
Spring Manufacturers Research Association1216
British Steel Castings Research Association4590
Timber Research and Development Association69138
Water Research Association58130
British Welding Research Association100161
Welwyn Hall Research Association3347
Wool Industries Research Association83204
TOTALS:3,3097,572

Scientists, Engineers And Technologists

asked the Minister of Technology what proportion of the stock of qualified scientists, technologists and engineers at the present date are employed in industry, central and local government and the universities, respectively.

The latest information is from the Triennial Manpower Survey, 1965, which gave some 60 per cent. of scientists, engineers and technologists in industry; 15 per cent. in central and local government; and 25 per cent. in education including the universities.

National Finance

Income Tax (Footballers)

31.

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer what is the practice of the Inland Revenue regarding the liability of footballers for Income Tax payments on moneys received by them in the course of transfers from one club to another.

Payments received by a professional footballers in respect of a transfer from one club to another are liable to Income Tax as part of the footballer's emoluments.

Government Expenditure And Private Capital Investment

35.

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer what estimates he has made of the percentage changes that are likely to take place in Government expenditure, private capital investment, and public consumption, respectively, in the coming financial year.

On Government expenditure I must ask the hon. Member to await the publication of the 1967–68 Vote on Account. On private capital investment, the latest Board of Trade inquiry shows a prospective fall of 7–8 per cent. in 1967 compared with 1966.

Hire-Purchase Restrictions (Mopeds)

42.

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer whether he is aware of the fall in the sale of mopeds due to Government restrictions on hire-purchase; and whether he will ease these restrictions.

The object of the July measures was to reduce demand based on credit facilities and for the time being this kind of restraint on consumption will have to stay.

Anglo-German Offset Agreement

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer if he will give the separate totals of military and civilian sales against the offset agreement to date with West Germany for the two years to 31st March, 1966.

Of sums actually received in the two year period up to 31st March, 1966, £41·3 million and £21·0 million respectively.

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer what amount remains outstanding in respect of the offset arrangements with West Germany for the two years to 31st March, 1966.

The estimate of £116 million for the two-year period ending 31st March, 1966, has two components:

  • (a) receipts estimated at £71 million against which £62·3 million has already been received;
  • (b) additional transactions financed under Article 5 of the 1965 Protocol estimated at £45 million. Although commitments have been made which should in time account for the whole of this figure the exact value at any moment of payments made independently to United Kingdom suppliers cannot be accurately ascertained.
  • asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer if it is still his policy that it will take until 31st March, 1968, before the substantial proportion of German offset costs are paid in respect of the two years to 31st March, 1966; and when he estimates that the total offset costs for this period will be met.

    Many of the transactions to be financed under the provisions of Article 5 of the Protocol of the 20th July, 1965, are covered by long-term contracts. Delay in completion of payments is therefore inevitable.

    Elections (Political Levy)

    asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer whether he will introduce legislation to finance general and local elections by requiring the 18½ million Income Tax payers to pay a political levy of 5s. per head each year to meet the total estimated annual costs to public authorities, candidates and parties of £3½ million, excluding costs of electoral registration.

    Balance Of Payments

    asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer if he will make a statement on the progress made towards a solution of the balance of payments problem; and whether he is satisfied as a result of this progress that a balance will be achieved before mid-1967.

    The balance of trade already looks better, and there has been some recovery of reserves and repayment of central bank facilities. The full benefit of the measures has not yet been felt, but we should achieve a surplus in the balance of payments over 1967 as a whole.

    Housing

    Planning Permission (Appeals)

    44.

    asked the Minister of Housing and Local Government what is his policy on appeals against the refusal of planning permission in cases where the building of new houses falls below Parker Morris standards, in the case of local authority building, private building or building by housing associations.

    Parker Morris standards are not in themselves a relevant planning consideration.

    Rateable Value (Central Heating Installations)

    asked the Minister of Housing and Local Government whether he will seek to ensure that in future no increase in the rateable value of any dwelling-house shall be permitted simply because of the installation of central heating therein.

    To do as my hon. Friend asks would introduce indefensible anomalies between houses in which central heating formed part of the original equipment and those in which it was subsequently installed.

    Building Regulations

    asked the Minister of Housing and Local Government (1) if he is satisfied that the present powers of local authorities to control building operations, under the Building Regulations 1965, are adequate to safeguard the interests of purchasers of new houses; and if he will make a statement;(2) if he will extend the existing regulations to enable local authorities to control finishings, such as plaster work, joinery and painting, in the building of new houses.

    Building regulations cover some of the basic requirements of health and safety, but the interests of purchasers also depend on other matters such as the quality of finishing work, as my hon. Friend's second question recognises, and these are not easily dealt with by a statutory minimum code. The scheme of the National House-Builders Registration Council, if given a wide enough coverage, seems to my right hon. Friend at present a better way of securing high standards of quality in matters of this kind.

    Circular No 50, 1965

    asked the Minister of Housing and Local Government if he will now detail the representations made to him by representatives of the building and construction industries in regard to Circular No. 50, 1965.

    Builders are generally opposed to the provisions of this circular and have made this clear on numerous occasions. My right hon. Friend has received letters from the Liverpool Regional Federation of Building Trades Employers and the National Federation of Master Painters and Decorators of England and Wales expressing disquiet and seeking clarification. He was also asked by the President of the N.F.B.T.E. at a Conference of Housebuilders on 18th November, 1965, to reconsider the circular and in the course of a discussion on B.B.C. "Panorama" on 27th June, 1966, the President asked him to withdraw it.

    Local Government

    Ipswich Expansion

    asked the Minister of Housing and Local Government if he will consult the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food regarding the permanent loss for food production of 13,000 acres of agricultural land if the expansion of Ipswich is designated in line with the consultant's report.

    My right hon. Friend is already engaged in consultation with his colleagues on all aspects of the Shank-land, Cox report on the expansion of Ipswich.

    Spoil Heaps, Shropshire

    asked the Minister of Housing and Local Government whether he is satisfied that no tip of waste, other than coal waste, in Shropshire is a hazard to safety; and whether he will give details of the arrangements for inspecting these tips.

    My right hon. Friend has asked local authorities in England to inspect all spoil heaps, other than those in the ownership of the National Coal Board—which have been inspected by the Board—which for any reason appear to be unstable and might be a danger to the public.

    Industrial Development (Agricultural Land)

    asked the Minister of Housing and Local Government what is his policy with regard to the siting of industry on good agricultural land.

    My right hon. Friend's policy is that the desirability of preserving good land in agricultural use should always be among the many factors weighed up when development proposals of any kind are being considered in farming areas.

    Commonwealth Affairs

    Rhodesia

    45.

    asked the Secretary of State for Commonwealth Affairs if he will now make a statement about the current talks with Mr. Smith's Government.

    46.

    asked the Secretary of State for Commonwealth Affairs if he will make a statement regarding the last set of proposals submitted by Mr. Smith of Salisbury, Rhodesia.

    New Hebrides

    Constitutional Development

    47.

    asked the Secretary of State for the Colonies what proposals he has, in conjunction with the French Government, for the future constitutional development of the condominium of the New Hebrides.

    This subject was raised during my talks with the French Minister of State in charge of Overseas Territories in July. Discussion is still proceeding locally between the British and French Resident Commissioners.

    Bermuda

    Constitutional Conference

    48.

    asked the Secretary of State for the Colonies if he will make a statement about the Bermuda Constitutional Conference.

    I expect the conference to end formally this afternoon.Bermuda has had representative Government since its House of Assembly first met in 1620. Under the new constitution it will have responsible government with the Governor retaining responsibility for defence, external affairs, internal security and the police.The Legislature will be bicameral, the Upper House nominated and the Lower House elected. A Boundaries Commission of five members will be set up. Its Chairman will be appointed from outside Bermuda and one of its members will be a person who holds or has held high judicial office within the Commonwealth. These two members will be appointed by the Governor in his discretion. Two members will be appointed on the advice of the Leader of the majority Party and one on the advice of the Leader of the Opposition. Each of the nine parishes of Bermuda will be divided into two-member constituencies except one, which is heavily populated, which will be divided into four such constituencies. The Commission is to take no account of race and subject to the number of constituencies within each parish, the boundaries are to be drawn so that the number of adults within the constituencies are as near as may be equal.The conference report was not unanimously adopted. There are two minority reports. The first signed by two Independents who consider the compromise arrangements adopted by the conference go too far. The second is from the Progressive Labour Party who, I regret, were not prepared to compromise and reserved their positions on virtually every issue of importance.I am arranging for advance copies of the conference report to be placed in the Library of the House.

    Ministry Of Defence

    Weather Control (Research)

    49.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence if, in view of the benefits which would be conferred on health, holidays, agriculture and sport, he will institute an inquiry into developments in weather control by means of spraying carbon dioxide on clouds and into the successful, though limited, experiments which have so far been made.

    The Meteorological Office keeps in touch with experiments in seeding clouds with chemicals as a means of influencing the weather. So far experiments have proved inconclusive at home and abroad. As I made clear in my Answer on 2nd November to the hon. Member for Hampstead (Mr. Whitaker), further progress requires a better understanding of the physics of cloud and rain, and the Meteorological Office has set up a new branch to expand research in cloud physics.—[Vol. 735, c. 112–3.]

    Communications And Reconnaissance Satellities

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence if he will make a statement on the future British programme for communication and reconnaissance satellites.

    We have signed a Memorandum of Understanding under which the United States will construct and launch by Thor Delta booster two geostationary communications satellites to provide the United Kingdom with an interim defence satellite communications capability as part of the Interim Defence Communications Satellite Project. This capability is expected to be available in 1968. Ground facilities used will include the terminals provided for the trials stage announced in February last plus four smaller air portable stations and facilities in certain H.M. ships. It is planned to have interoperability between U.K. and U.S. terminals.

    The British part of the system will provide communications for the area between the U.K. and Australia. The satellites, when in position, will be under the command and control of the Ministry of Defence acting on behalf of Her Majesty's Government. Terminal facilities will be made in the United Kingdom and there is provision for consultation regarding participation by U.K. industry in the development and production of components of the satellites.

    The U.S. has invited N.A.T.O. to participate in the trials and operational phases of I.D.C.S.P. and this proposal, which is currently under active consideration, is fully compatible with these arrangements.

    These satellites will have no reconnaissance capability, and we have no plans for acquiring reconnaissance satellites.

    Rhodesia

    50.

    asked the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs what steps Her Majesty's Government are taking to bring about a greater measure of compliance by the South African Government with the sanctions imposed by Her Majesty's Government against Rhodesia and endorsed by the United Nations.

    I have nothing to add to my right hon. Friend the Foreign Secretary's reply on 14th November to the hon. Member for Woolwich, West (Mr. Hamling).—[Vol. 736, c. 18.]

    China (Non-Proliferation Treaty)

    51.

    asked the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs what representations he has made to the Government of the People's Republic of China for the Chinese Government to negotiate on the signing of a non-proliferation treaty.

    None. We have already made it plan that we should like to see the People's Republic of China participating in the disarmament negotiations. But they have so far declined to do so, and have denounced a non-proliferation treaty as a plot to deprive the non-nuclear countries of their rights.

    Anglo-Russian Travel Facilities

    asked the Secretary of of State for Foreign Affairs if, in his discussions with the official Russian visitors to this country in February, he will inquire whether travel between Russia and this country can be facilitated.

    Article XII of the Anglo-Soviet Agreement on Relations in the Scientific, Technological, Educational and Cultural fields for 1965–67 provides that both Parties shall make every effort to promote the development of tourism between the two countries, by encouraging as many tourists as possible to visit their respective countries and by giving them all facilities to travel and to make contacts freely in order to acquaint themselves with the life, work and culture of the respective peoples. We shall be reviewing the operation of the Agreement early next year and will consider what can be done to further this objective.

    British Broadcasting Corporation (Overseas Services)

    asked the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs to what extent-it is his policy to expand the overseas service of the British Broadcasting Corporation in step with the increase in the number of potential listeners in those countries where it is heard.

    The hon. Member probably has in mind the growth of medium wave audiences in areas now served by short wave. Quite apart from the problem of finding suitable sites for the relay station which would be needed to reach these audiences, the considerable capital cost involved can only be met at the expense of other work which may be of at least equal priority. The problem is however under continuous examination and I hope steady progress can be made.

    asked the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs if he will publish a list of those foreign countries in which the British Broadcasting Corporation's overseas broadcasts are heard; and what he estimates the audience to be in each.

    The British Broadcasting Corporation's broadcasts can be heard world-wide although in many places the standard of audibility is lower than we would wish; comprehensive data on audiences is difficult to provide but information on audience studies in various areas is published in the Annual Report and Accounts of the British Broadcasting Corporation for 1965–66 (Cmd. 3122).

    asked the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs by how much he estimates the British Broadcasting Corporation's external audience to have grown in the last 10 years.

    I doubt whether any very reliable or useful figure can be given. The Annual Report and Accounts of the British Broadcasting Corporation for 1965–66 (Cmd. 3122) estimates a 123 per cent. increase in world radio set ownership during the past 10 years and it is reasonable to assume that the British Broadcasting Corporation's overseas services have benefited from this increase.

    asked the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs what steps he is taking to increase the impact of British overseas broadcasts.

    We are trying, within the limitations imposed by the finance and other factors, to improve the audibility of British Broadcasting Corporation broadcasts by the modernisation of United Kingdom facilities and the building of relay stations overseas.

    British Honduras And Guatemala (Mediation)

    asked the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs what progress is being made by the American mediator, Mr. Bethuel Webster, in the question of relations between British Honduras and Guatemala; and when he expects Mr. Webster to present his report.

    As the House is already aware, the proceedings of the mediation are confidential. It is for Mr. Webster to decide when he will be ready to present his final proposals.

    Home Department

    Fire Prevention Publicity (Expenditure)

    52.

    asked the Secretary of Stale for the Home Department what is the expenditure by Her Majesty's Government on fire losses and fire prevention publicity; and how such expenditure compares with publicity campaigns on crime, strikes, industrial inefficiency and other similar problems which affect the national economy adversely.

    Government expenditure this year on fire prevention publicity, which is concerned mainly with fire precautions in the home, will be about £8,500, in addition to grants of £12,000 made for publicity on general safety in the home, including fire safety. Local fire authorities also undertake a great deal of publicity. The main fire losses are in industry, and publicity in this field is undertaken chiefly by the insurance companies, who devote much effort to it and who are represented, together with central and local government, on a special committee of the Central Fire Brigades Advisory Council dealing with fire prevention publicity and education. Publicity on crime prevention is mainly for the Government, who will spend about £274,000 on it this year. I can give no information on publicity about strikes or industrial inefficiency.

    Wormwood Scrubs Prison (Security Measures)

    53.

    asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department which recommendations of the Director of Prison Security for the improvement of security at Wormwood Scrubs Prison had been carried out by the time George Blake escaped; and what proportion of the whole of his recommendations for this prison this represents.

    Implementation of the measures suggested was in hand, but none had been completed.

    Prisons (Patrols)

    54.

    asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department on how many occasions, and in which prisons, police officers have been used to patrol inside the confines of prisons since the escape of George Blake.

    Since 26th October, police officers with dogs have been regularly patrolling at night inside the prison walls at Brixton, Durham, Leicester, Maidstone, Parkhurst, Wakefield and Wormwood Scrubs.

    Protection Offences (Metropolitan Area)

    asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department how many cases have been brought to his notice in the present year of the operation of protection rackets in the Metropolitan area.

    Brodrick Committee (Report)

    asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department when he will receive the report of the interdepartmental Committee on Death Certification and Coroners.

    I would refer my hon. Friend to the reply I gave on 7th November to a Question by my hon. Friend the Member for Oldham, East (Mr. Mapp).—[Vol. 735, c. 228.]

    Prisoners (Psychiatric Services)

    asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department if he is satisfied that the present psychiatric treatment available to prisoners is adequate; and whether he is aware that more psychiatrists are needed to tend to prisoners.

    Plans for further augmentation of the prison psychiatric services are being implemented. In the meantime full use is being made of existing resources.

    Agriculture, Fisheries And Food

    European Economic Community

    55.

    asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food when he now intends to publish a White Paper on the implications of joining the Common Market on British agriculture and the price of food.

    I have nothing to add to the reply that I gave to my hon. Friend on 20th July.—[Vol. 732, c. 610–11.]

    asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food what special steps he has taken to study the possible effects of joining the European Economic Community upon the Welsh agricultural economy.

    In studying the possible effects of joining the European Economic Community, we have considered all the main sectors of United Kingdom agriculture, including those that are of special importance to the agricultural economy of Wales.

    Fish Farming (Research)

    56.

    asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food if he is satisfied with the progress of research into fish farming; what plans he has for increasing such research; and if he will make a statement.

    I would refer the hon. Member to my reply of 20th July to the hon. Member for South Dorset (Mr. Evelyn King).—[Vol. 732, c. 614–15.]

    Columnaris

    asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food in how many rivers in England and Wales the disease of columnaris has been notified; and what steps are being taken to deal with it.

    Outbreaks of disease or suspected disease have been notified in 16 salmon and coarse fish rivers in England and Wales.Where disease has been confirmed, the areas affected have been designated as infected areas under the Diseases of Fish Act, 1937, and the fishery authorities concerned have been authorised to remove and destroy all dead and diseased fish by all suitable means. Movement of all live fish and eggs out of the areas is prohibited except under my right hon. Friend's authority. In addition, anglers have been advised to disinfect gear as a precaution against the transmission of disease from one river to another.

    Foodstuffs (Prices)

    asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food what progress is being made to secure a voluntary restraint of prices; and whether he will make a progress report on his consultations.

    I am glad to say that, in the field of food and drink generally, the Government are receiving full cooperation in the voluntary restraint of prices. As to the consultations my Ministry has had on the arrangements to cover food and drink prices, I would refer my hon. Friend to the reply I gave to my hon. Friend the Member for Fife, West (Mr. William Hamilton) on Wednesday, 2nd November.—[Vol. 735, c. 90–1.]

    Education And Science

    Universities (Computers)

    57.

    asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science what steps he is taking to encourage the use of computers at universities with particular reference to Bristol University.

    As my right hon. Friend announced on 21st December, 1965, the Government have approved a £20·5 million programme of computers for universities. The allocation of this programme is a matter for the Computer Board, who are at present discussing with universities, including Bristol, their particular needs.

    Grammar School Pupils, Harrow

    asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science (1) how many children in the London Borough of Harrow were moved from secondary modern schools to grammar schools in the appropriate collegiate in each of the years 1961 to 1965;(2) what proportion of children were selected for grammar school education in the London Borough of Harrow in each of the years 1961 to 1966;

    (3) how many children in the London Borough of Harrow left grammar schools before taking general certificate of education examinations in each of the years 1961 to 1965;

    (4) how many children in the London Borough of Harrow were moved from grammar schools to secondary modern schools in the appropriate collegiate without taking a general certificate of education examination in each of the years 1961 to 1965.

    Teachers (Bed Degree)

    asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science what proposals he has to ensure that serving teachers have the opportunity to qualify for the Bachelor of Education degree; and if he will make a statement.

    I understand that the possibility of part-time and deferred full-time courses for serving teachers leading to a B.Ed. degree is already being examined by London University. I hope that more schemes of this sort may become possible later on. The first task, however, for all those concerned is to establish and work out in detail the new full-time degree courses for students in initial training.

    Teacher Training Colleges (Entrants)

    asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science what was the intake to teacher training colleges in 1965–66; how this compares with 1963–64; and what is the forward expectation to 1970.

    Non-graduate entrants to courses of initial teacher training in the general, housecraft and physical education colleges numbered 29,008 in 1965, compared with 20,985 in 1963. Current plans provide for the figure to rise to 35,000 by 1968–69.

    Ministry Of Labour

    Productivity Agreements

    58.

    asked the Minister of Labour if he will initiate further discussions to ensure that productivity agreements are arrived at, following his intervention in the rail dispute earlier this year.

    The Government have taken, and will continue to take as required, initiatives to promote discussions on productivity, including the more efficient use of manpower. Some of these discussions may lead in appropriate cases to productivity agreements, which will have to comply with the requirements of the Productivity, Prices and Incomes policy.

    Overseas Development

    Mr Milton Barrall (Luncheon)

    59.

    asked the Minister of Overseas Development what was the cost to public funds of the luncheon at the Savoy Hotel on 21st October, 1966, for Mr. Milton Barrall; why this was not attended by any member of the Government; and why it was necessary to announce this luncheon to the Press.

    £56 14s. 10d. Although a senior official in the State Department, Mr. Barrall is not of Ministerial rank. It was not therefore thought appropriate to invite members of Her Majesty's Government to attend this luncheon, which was presided over by a senior official of the Ministry of Overseas Development. It is customary to announce to the Press entertainment given to distinguished overseas visitors by senior officials.

    Aid Programme

    60.

    asked the Minister of Overseas Development what cuts in the official overseas aid programme have now been agreed, as the result of the economic measures of 20th July; and what cuts still remain to be agreed.

    I call attention to my right hon. Friend's reply of 24th October to my hon. Friend the Member for Portsmouth, West (Mr. Judd). It is not customary to announce details of the aid programme in advance. Statements of the amounts of aid we agree to give for particular purposes will be made to Parliament at the appropriate time in individual cases.—[Vol. 734, c. 118.]

    Scotland

    Lobster Creels (Parlour Type)

    61.

    asked the Secretary of State for Scotland what research has been carried out into the use of the parlour pot type of lobster pots; and what such research has revealed as to the usefulness of such pots in United Kingdom waters; and if he will make a statement.

    No experiments have yet been carried out directly on the effectiveness of parlour type lobster creels but it is hoped to undertake some next year when a new shellfish research vessel becomes available. Research by marine scientists of my Department into the comparative efficiency of several features of creels relevant to the parlour type suggests that although this pattern is unlikely to be more effective in all circumstances than the normal double-eyed Scottish creel it may have advantages in more exposed areas.

    Selective Employment Tax (Agricultural Industry)

    asked the Secretary of State for Scotland how many additional staff are necessary to deal with repayments of the Selective Employment Tax to the agricultural industry in Scotland.

    I would refer the hon. Member to my reply to a Question on 24th October by the hon. Member for Perth and East Perthshire (Mr. MacArthur).—[Vol. 734, c. 112.]

    Dental Students

    asked the Secretary of State for Scotland what plans he has for encouraging an increase in the number of students coming forward for training as dental surgeons in Scotland; how many dental surgeons graduated in Scotland in each of the past five academic years; and how many students are at present studying to this end, compared with the past five years.

    Expansion of the Dundee Dental Hospital and School to provide an additional 25 places for dental students will be completed next year; the new Dental Hospital and School in Glasgow, which will provide 10 additional places for students, will be completed about 1969. A film prepared by the General Dental Council has been commended for use by the Youth Employment Service, and by careers masters, to encourage students of suitable quality to come forward to fill the additional places which are being provided in these and other dental schools.The numbers of dental surgeons graduated and dental students in training for the last five academic years for which statistics are available are as follows:

    Academic YearNumber of dental surgeons graduated (1st degrees)Number of full-time dental students
    1961–62104630
    1962–6398629
    1963–64102627
    1964–6599609
    1965–66126*620
    * This figures includes higher degrees and diplomas as well as first degrees as separate figures for different types of degree are not yet available.

    Scottish Agricultural Securities Corporation

    asked the Secretary of State for Scotland what instructions he has given to the Scottish Agricultural Securities Corporation regarding applications to it for loans.

    asked the Secreary of State for Scotland what was the number and value of loan applications made to and approved by the Scottish Agricultural Securities Corporation in each of the past five years and in each month this year.

    This information is not readly available, but I am making inquiries as to whether it can be extracted. I am arranging for the hon. Member to be told of the outcome in due course.

    Crown Estate Commission

    Q8.

    asked the Prime Minister what representations have been made to him on the constitutional position of the Crown Estate Commission; and what reply he has sent.

    Honours System

    Q9.

    asked the Prime Minister whether he will make a statement on his proposals with regard to the system of honours.

    I would refer my hon. Friend to the Answer I gave on 27th October to a Question by my hon. Friend the Member for Durham, North-West (Mr. Armstrong).—[Vol. 734, c. 1301.]

    European Security Conference

    Q10.

    asked the Prime Minister if he will consider inviting other European Prime Ministers to a Conference to discuss European security and disarmament.

    All our efforts are directed towards the creation of an atmosphere in which a successful European security conference might be held. But I do not think that the time for such a conference is yet ripe.

    President De Gaulle (Visit)

    Q12.

    asked the Prime Minister whether he will consider extending an invitation to President de Gaulle to visit Great Britain.

    The House will recall the memorable State Visit which General de Gaulle paid to this country in 1960 as well as the visit of the French Prime Minister in July of this year. I think the next step should be the visit which I hope to pay to Parish as part of the series of discussions which we are planning with the Heads of Governments of the Six.

    Hong Kong (United States Navy Ships)

    Q13.

    asked the Prime Minister what agreement has been made with the United States Government permitting their ships of war to use Hong Kong harbour for disembarking and embarking troops engaged in the war in Vietnam; and if the agreement has reciprocal provisions.

    European Economic Community (Mandate)

    Q14.

    asked the Prime Minister if he will seek a mandate from the electors at the next General Election on the basic conditions of British entry into the Common Market.

    My right hon. Friend will know the mandate the Government received at the last election on this issue. It is our intention to operate within that mandate.

    Rhodesia (Plebiscite)

    Q15.

    asked the Prime Minister whether he will ask the Governor of Rhodesia to arrange for a plebiscite of the coloured population in that country to enable them to express their views on the basic conditions of independence.

    Her Majesty's Government's position is set out in the Communique of the Commonwealth Prime Ministers' Meeting, including our determination that any constitutional arrangement which may be reached as a basis for Rhodesian independence must be shown to the satisfaction of the Government and Parliament to be acceptable to the people of Rhodesia as a whole.

    Draft Legislation (Law Commission)

    asked the Attorney-General whether he will seek power to enable the Law Commissioners to scrutinise and improve draft legislation prior to its presentation to the House, in the interests of lucidity of expression and simplicity of lay-out.

    I do not think it would, as a rule, be either desirable or practicable to refer draft legislation to the Law Commission.

    Consolidation Bills (Computers)

    asked the Attorney-General what steps he is taking to make a computer available to the Law Commissioners and Parliamentary draftsmen for the purpose of speedy preparation of consolidation statutes.

    The Law Commissioners have already given some preliminary consideration to the long-term possibilities of using computers for different kinds of legal work and they are keeping in touch with research and development at home and abroad. There is, however, no reason to suppose that the provision of a computer at this stage would accelerate the preparation of consolidation Bills.

    Economic Affairs

    Treaty Of Rome

    asked the First Secretary of State and Secretary of State for Economic Affairs what effect it would have upon Great Britain's required development programme if the Treaty of Rome were accepted and signed unchanged by this country.

    There is nothing in the Treaty of Rome which is incompatible with the type of economic planning to which this Government is committed. Membership of the European Economic Community would have implications for the Government's development plans and for the economy generally, but the precise nature of these would depend on the circumstances and the timing of entry.

    Hospitals

    Nursing Staff, Harrow

    asked the Minister of Health, what improvement has taken place since 12th September in the number of nurses employed at each of the geriatric and infectious diseases, hospitals taking patients from the constituency of the hon. Member for Harrow, East.

    There have been increases of one part-timer at each of Glebe House, Oxhey Grove, and Orme Lodge and Stanmore Cottage Hospitals, and one whole-timer and one part-timer at Springbok Hospital.

    Mental Hospitals (Admissions)

    asked the Minister of Health to what extent he is satisfied that emergency compulsory admissions under Section 29 of the Mental Health Act 1959 are being operated with adequate scrutiny of need for compulsion; and what evidence there is of misuse of this section.

    Medical officers and others concerned with admission to hospital under the Mental Health Act have recently been reminded of the statutory requirements for emergency compulsory admission and the need to keep it to a minimum. The use of Section 29 inevitably involves subjective judgment and practice has varied in different areas, but I have no evidence of misuse.

    St George's Hospital, Morpeth (Staff)

    asked the Minister of Health, what is the ratio of staff to patients at St. George's Hospital, Morpeth; how this compares with a comparable period in 1965; and whether he will make a statement.

    The ratio of all staff to patients now is 1:2·2, compared with 1:2·3 in 1965. For nursing staff the figures are 1:3·8 and 1:4·1, respectively.

    Land And Natural Resources

    National Parks Commission (Members)

    asked the Minister of Land and Natural Resources if he will give the names of the existing members of the National Parks Commission; and what changes he proposes to make in its membership.

    The members of the National Parks Commission are:

    Chairman:
    Baroness Wootton of Abinger, M.A., L.H.D., LL.D.
    Members:
    Aubrey Buxton, Esq., M.C.
    Mrs. E. Davies, M.A., Ph.D.
    James M. McC. Fisher, Esq., M.A.
    Elwyn Jones, Esq., B.A., LL.B.
    Cecil H. King, Esq.
    Sir William Lindsay, C.B.E.
    Professor O. R. McGregor, B.Sc. Econ.
    Peter F. Shepheard, Esq., F.R.I.B.A., A.M.T.P.I., F.I.L.A.
    I hope to make an announcement about a change in membership within a few days.

    Ministry Of Power

    Coal Tips, Shropshire

    asked the Minister of Power whether he is satisfied that no tip of coal waste in Shropshire is a hazard to safety; and whether he will give details of the arrangements for inspecting these tips.

    I have been assured by the National Coal Board that no coal tip in Shropshire under its control constitutes a hazard to safety. Following the Aberfan disaster the National Coal Board supplemented its normal inspection procedures and all its tips in Shropshire were specially inspected and will be kept under close surveillance.With regard to coal tips outside the control of the National Coal Board, my right hon. Friend the Minister of Housing and Local Government has asked all local authorities in England to inspect other spoil heaps in their area which for any reason appear to be unstable or might be a danger to the public.

    Board Of Trade

    International Food Exhibition (British Foodstuffs)

    asked the President of the Board of Trade why no effort was made to have Great Britain represented at the present International Food Fair, when the potential market for British foodstuffs is so considerable.

    My Department offered to support a display of British foodstuffs at the International Food Exhibition in Paris. The industry, through the Food Manufacturers' Federation, decided that because of the restrictions on imports of many British foodstuffs, the opportunities of increased sales to France were not sufficient to warrant a major British participation. British foodstuffs were, however, prominently represented in the British Week at Lyons, for which a special import quota was obtained.

    African Territories (Investment And Trade)

    asked the President of the Board of Trade (1) what was the value in each of the five years 1960 to 1965 of United Kingdom investments in, exports to and imports from the Republic of South Africa; and what estimates he has of likely increases within the next five years;(2) what was the value in each of the five years 1960 to 1965 of United Kingdom investments in, exports to and imports from the Portuguese territories of Africa; and what estimates he has of likely increases within the next five years;(3) what was the value in each of the five years 1960 to 1965 of United Kingdom investments in, exports to and imports from the continent of Africa other than the Republic of South Africa and the Portuguese territories; and what estimates he has of likely increases within the next five years.

    The following is the avail able information:

    Direct Investment (excluding oil, and, before 1963, insurance)Other Private Investment*£ million
    Book Value of net assets at end-1962Investment FlowImports (c.i.f)Exports plus re-exports (f.o.b.)
    Republic of South Africa
    196020-35139163
    19619-16156157
    196226915- 6151157
    196334-36166207
    196433-13183239
    1965....181265
    Portuguese Territories in Africa‡
    1960....511
    1961....1110
    196213....510
    1963....1010
    1964....611
    1965....415
    Rest of Africa
    196034§-1§376327
    196134§12§372335
    1962357384307
    196311§445330
    1964-15§18§479329
    1965....531344
    * Oil, portfolio, miscellaneous private investment and, before 1963, insurance.
    † Fixed assets, less accumulated depreciation, plus current assets less current liabilities.
    ‡ Mozambique and Angola.
    § Including Mozambique and Angola.
    .. means not available; a minus sign means net disinvestment.

    Hire-Purchase Debt (Per Capita Figures)

    asked the President of the Board of Trade what was the hire-purchase debt per head of the population in June, 1964, 1965 and 1966, for Great Britain; and what information he has, from international sources, about the figures for other Western countries.

    The hire-purchase and other instalment credit debt per head of

    CountryTitle of Statistic on which figure is basedSourceDebt per head at June, 1965 (or nearest available date)
    U.S.A.Consumer Instalment CreditFederal Reserve Bulletin£11740
    CanadaConsumer Debt (Finance Houses and Retail Dealers)O.E.C.D. Main Economic Indicators£87190
    FranceConsumer Debt (all institutions)do.£640
    NorwayConsumer Debtdo.£10180
    AustriaOutstanding Instalment Credit (Total all sources)Eurofinas Newsletter July, 1965£4190
    Belgiumdo.do.£1500
    W. Germanydo.do.£13190
    Netherlandsdo.do.£540

    the population in Great Britain owed to finance houses and retailers (other than clothing and footwear shops and a few other kinds of business) was as follows:

    £sd
    June, 196422110
    June, 19652570
    June, 196625100

    Figures are set out in the table below for certain other countries. Because of differences in definition, coverage and methods of compilation these figures are not on a comparable basis.

    Motor Vehicles (Exports)

    asked the President of the Board of Trade how many motor vehicles were exported from Great Britain in the first six months of 1966.

    The figures are given on pages 241–245 of the June, 1966, issue of the Overseas Trade Accounts of the United Kingdom.

    Roads

    Western Avenue Extension

    asked the Minister of Transport when the decision to build the Western Avenue extension was made; when work on it started; and when it will be completed.

    The scheme was accepted into the programme in March 1961. Work started in September, 1966 and is expected to be completed in 1970.

    Harrow Road Flyover

    asked the Minister of Transport when the decision to build the flyover which will carry Harrow Road traffic over Edgware Road was made; when work on it started; and when it will be completed.

    The Harrow Road flyover scheme was accepted into the programme in March, 1961. Work started in August, 1964, and the Greater London Council expect it to be completed in August, 1967.

    Euston Road Underpass

    asked the Minister of Transport when the decision to build the Euston Road underpass was made; and when work on it was started.

    This scheme was accepted into the programme in March, 1961. Work on it started in May, 1964.

    Clearways, Central London

    asked the Minister of Transport how many miles of urban clearway were operating in London in October, 1964, April, 1965, and October, 1966.

    None until February this year when approximately nine miles were brought into operation on the A4, A40 and A3216 in Central London.

    Motorway Box, London

    asked the Minister of Transport when the Motorway Box round the centre of London will be completed.

    I cannot say as neither the Greater London Council nor the Government have yet taken final decisions to construct the Motorway Box.

    North Circular Road (Ring Route)

    asked the Minister of Transport when the second ring road incorporating a greatly improved North Circular Road linking up with a new South Circular Road will be completed.

    I cannot give a date. Considerable improvements have been made in recent years to the North Circular Road, and further schemes are programmed. The Greater London Council is considering the need for a new southern route to link with the North Circular Road. But priorities for further improvement and construction schemes on this ring route will have to be decided in relation to competing claims of schemes on other strategic routes in London.

    Blackwall Tunnel

    asked the Minister of Transport when the decision to build the second Blackwall Tunnel was made; and when work on it started.

    This scheme was accepted into the programme in March, 1959. Work started in March, 1960.

    Ring Route, London

    asked the Minister of Transport when the ring road round the fringes of London's built-up area will be completed.

    I cannot give a date. Some sections of this route are in the road programme up to 1970. But priority for remaining parts of the route will have to be decided in relation to competing claims of schemes on other strategic routes in London and the surrounding area.

    Woolwich Ferry (Terminals)

    asked the Minister of Transport when the decision to build the new terminals at Woolwich Ferry was made; and when the work on them started.

    The scheme to improve the approach roads and ferry terminals was accepted into the programme in January, 1961. Work started in May, 1964.

    Motorways (Plan)

    asked the Minister of Transport if she will now have an investigation made into the cost and practicability of the plan put forward by Mr. A. E. T. Matthews at the recent International Road Federation Conference, a copy of which has been sent to her, for a system of motorways in tunnels to relieve traffic congestion in London and other cities.

    Green Lane Road Bridge, Bolton

    asked the Minister of Transport if she is aware that the indicated maximum load of the Green Lane road bridge, Bolton, over the main Manchester to Bolton railway lines, is exceeded daily by heavy road vehicles; and if she will take action to implement section 41 of the Road Traffic Act, 1960.

    If the Railways Board, as bridge authority, is satisfied that the enforcement of a weight restriction is required on safety grounds, it is open to the Board to apply to Bolton County Borough Council, as the responsible traffic authority, to make the necessary order under Section 26 of the Road Traffic Act, 1960.

    Transport

    Driving Instructors (Registration)

    asked the Minister of Transport what representations she has received regarding the compulsory registration of driving instructors; and what action she is taking.

    Some representations have been received from members of the public and the profession that driving instructors should be compulsorily registered.As announced in Answers to Questions on 4th May, my right hon. Friend has consulted the interests concerned and is now considering what further action should be taken.—[Vol. 728, c. 108–9.]

    Leaflet (Cost)

    asked the Minister of Transport how many copies of the leaflet, entitled A Message from the Minister of Transport, have been issued; and what is the overall cost to her Department.

    About 1·88 million leaflets have been issued since September, 1964. The cost, approximately £370 for each million leaflets, is borne by H.M. Stationery Office.

    Public Service Vehicle Drivers (Licence)

    asked the Minister of Transport what regulations are presently in force with regard to the instruction and training of drivers of public service vehicles.

    All drivers of public service vehicles are required by statute to hold a special licence for this purpose in addition to the ordinary driving licence. Before such a licence is granted, the Traffic Commissioners require the applicant to pass a special driving test on a public service vehicle of the type he intends to drive. Instruction and training for the purpose of qualifying for this licence are matters for the driver or his prospective employer to arrange.

    Workers, King's Lynn

    asked the Minister of Transport whether she will initiate discussions between employers in the King's Lynn area, the relevant trades unions, and local authorities, regarding the transport needs of workers employed in King's Lynn and resident in nearby villages, in view of the decline of employment opportunities in many villages, and the difficulty of transport from villages to factory areas.

    It is open to the parties mentioned to discuss, in consultation with the bus operators or others interested in providing a service, the extent of the local need and how it can best be met. The Traffic Commissioners will consider any licence applications made. If any problem remains, it is one that might be considered by the Transport Co-ordinating Committee shortly to be set up for the East Anglia Region.

    Railways

    Freight And Passenger Services (Departmental Control)

    asked the Minister of Transport if, in the consideration she is giving to a new Transport Bill, she will give particular attention to the need to bring the operation of both railway freight and passenger services within the direct control of her Department.

    No. As far as day to day management and operation are concerned I have no intention of departing from the basic principles which, since 1947, have governed the relationship between nationalised Boards and Government Departments.

    Aberystwyth-Carmarthen Line (Track)

    asked the Minister of Transport if she will cause all work on dismantling railway track formation on the Aberystwyth-Carmarthen railway line to cease until the Welsh Economic Council has reported upon the line.

    So far as the formation of the Carmarthen-Aberystwyth line is concerned, as my hon. Friend said in the Answer he gave on 4th November, the formation will not be disposed of until the Welsh Economic Council have completed their reconsideration of this question. Track lifting is proceeding only north of Pont Llanio, and my right hon. Friend has no reason to ask the Railways Board to cease this work.

    Wales

    Agriculture (Advisory Staff)

    asked the Secretary of State for Wales how many of the Welsh Office staff are employed in advising him on agricultural problems affecting Wales.

    Advice on Welsh agricultural problems is readily available to me from the Ministry of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food in London and Aberystwyth; I have no agricultural advisers on my own staff.

    Harbours (Survey)

    asked the Secretary of State for Wales if he will cause a survey to be made of harbours in Wales with a view to their development for commercial and for tourist purposes.

    The commercial development of the main Welsh ports was dealt with in the National Ports Council's interim plan on which I have also had the benefit of the Welsh Economic Council's advice. The tourist potential of the smaller ports was surveyed by the Council for Wales in the mid-1950's and I do not think it needs a further general survey.

    Welsh Planning Board

    asked the Secretary of State for Wales how many members there are of the Welsh Planning Board; and what are their qualifications.

    Six Government Departments are represented on the Welsh Planning Board and other Departments are represented as necessary. These representatives are the senior civil servants in Wales or are officials qualified in their own particular professional or technical fields.

    asked the Secretary of State for Wales what training courses have been arranged for economic planning staff of the Welsh Planning Board.

    The professional officers of Government Departments who take part in the work of the Welsh Planning Board are all fully trained and qualified in their particular fields.