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Volume 742: debated on Tuesday 7 March 1967

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Written Answers To Questions

Tuesday, 7th March, 1967

National Finance

Customs Procedure (Improvement)

15.

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer what steps have been taken by Her Majesty's Government to implement the recommendations on Her Majesty's Customs and Excise procedures in the report "Through Transport to Europe"; and whether he will make a statement.

Action taken towards improvement of Customs procedures, on lines recommended by the report "Through Transport to Europe" (published by the Economic Development Committee on the Movement of Exports, June 1966)

  • 1. Customs have in hand a comprehensive study of the possibilities of applying modern machine techniques to the procedures and calculations involved in Customs clearance of imported goods.
  • 2. Linked with this, Customs are cooperating with the major airlines in a joint study of the possible application of electronic data processing techniques to airfreight handling and clearance.
  • 3. A "fast line" service has been introduced in London Port to expedite Customs clearance of goods imported on the short sea routes; extension to other ports is being considered.
  • 4. A modification of the "triplicate entry" system, designed to give speedy clearance to air freight without certain disadvantages hitherto associated with that system, has been tried out experimentally at Heathrow; results are now being studied.
  • 5. The value limit for air consignments eligible for clearance by the implified "transit shed register" procedure has been raised from £25 to £50.
  • 6. Measures have been taken to relax both (i) the Customs checking of entry declarations and (ii) the physical examination of goods before clearance, but with due regard to the protective and revenue yielding purposes of the Tariff.
  • 7. New Customs Notices have been drafted, and will shortly be published, with the object of reducing delays that arise from inadequate understanding of Customs procedures and from mistakes in the entry documents presented to the Customs.
  • 8. The procedure for ascertaining the basis of valuation of imported goods (Customs Form C. 105) is being reviewed.
  • 9. Custom's readines to accept telex information for various purposes has been announced in the Board of Trade Journal.
  • 10. Customs have kept themselves in touch with other countries' procedures both by normal contacts through the Customs Co-operation Council and other international bodies and by visits in recent months to Germany, Switzerland, the Netherlands and the United States.
  • European Economic Community (Tax System)

    22.

    asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer what studies he is making of the effect of possible entry of Great Britain into the European Economic Community on the distribution of taxation as between different income groups, consequent on the harmonisation of taxation policies.

    As I said in reply to a Question from the hon. Member for Southend, West (Mr. Channon) on 31st January—[Vol. 740, c. 231]—it is too early to say what changes will be necessary in our taxation system if we enter the European Economic Community.

    Company Profits (Taxation)

    38.

    asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer what he expects taxation on profits of companies to yield in 1966–67 as a percentage compared with 1965–66.

    No simple comparison between the two years is possible. The Budget estimates for 1966/67 included £1,000 million Corporation Tax and £95 million Profits Tax; out of the estimate for Income Tax about £170 million was attributable to companies, representing tax on past profits or on investment income. Against this must be set overspill payments estimated at £60 million. This leaves a net figure of £1,205 million. In 1965–66 companies paid £438 million Profits Tax and about £1,235 million Income Tax, a total of £1,673 million. Companies were, however, entitled to deduct and retain Income Tax on all dividends, etc., and some of these were paid out of profits which had not suffered Income Tax.

    Central And Local Government Expenditure

    39.

    asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer what percentage of the gross national product was expended by national and local government taken together in 1964–65; and what percentage he estimates it will be for 1967–68.

    Total expenditure by central and local government (including debt interest and grants and net lending to public corporations) in 1964–65 was £12,294 million. Gross national product at factor cost in the same year was £29,506 million. For the reasons which my right hon. Friend the Chief Secretary explained in answer to a Question by the hon. Member for St. Ives (Mr. Nott) on 18th January, 1967—[Vol. 739, c. 91]—I do not think it is useful to express the first of these figures as a percentage of the second.Corresponding estimates for 1967–68 are not yet available.

    Decimal Currency

    40.

    asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer whether he is aware that recent research has shown that 90 per cent. of all goods sold retail under £10 are valued in terms of shillings and pence; and, as the use of the pound unit for decimal currency will adapt less conveniently to this system of valuation than if the 10s. unit were adopted, what steps he proposes to take to make his adoption of the pound unit more acceptable.

    This argument in favour of the 10s. system was given due weight by both the Halsbury Committee and the Government, neither of whom accepted the hon. Gentleman's conclusions. It is the function of the Decimal Currency Board to facilitate the transition from the existing to the new currency and coinage.

    63.

    asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer how the new decimal coins of 10d., 5d., 2d., 1d., and ½d. will compare in weight and size with the existing 2s., Is., 6d., 3d., and ld. coins; and if he has decided against the production of any 12-sided coins.

    I would refer my hon. Friend to the Appendix to the White Paper "Decimal Currency in the United Kingdom" published in December last which gives a detailed comparison of the present with the proposed coinage under the £-new penny decimal system. None of the new coins is twelve-sided.

    64.

    asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer how many representations he has received from co-operative societies on the subject of decimalisation of the currency and the greater benefits of ease and transfer which would come from adopting the 10s. rather than £1 system; and what replies he has sent.

    Three. In reply the reasons for the Government's decision to adopt the £ system are being explained.

    Income Tax (Luncheon Vouchers)

    41.

    asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer if he will amend the Income Tax regulations so as to allow tax-free luncheon vouchers up to a value of 4s. 6d.

    Government Expenditure

    42.

    asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer whether he will cease the practice of referring to increases in Government expenditure in terms of constant prices.

    asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer if he will cease to give figures related to constant prices in relation to Government expenditure.

    I would refer the hon. Gentleman to the reply I gave this afternoon to the hon. Member for Horsham (Mr. Hordern).

    Travel Allowance (Foreign Exchange)

    43.

    asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer how much extra foreign exchange he estimates would be involved in raising the travel allowance to £70 and if he will now increase the allowance accordingly.

    As I replied to the hon. Member on 9th February—[Vol. 740, c. 358]—in response to a similar Question, the basic allowance has been fixed for the present travel year.

    Balance Of Payments

    44.

    asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer what estimate he has made of the net deficit on current balance of payments accounts arising from Governmental transactions in the financial year 1967–68.

    I cannot give an estimate of this kind, which would require me, for example, to make a hypothetical assumption about the consequences for world trade if Her Majesty's Government were to undertake no overseas commitments in the coming year.

    Corporation Tax

    46.

    asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer what he estimates to be the yield of an increase of 2½ per cent. in the rate of Corporation Tax.

    On the basis of the 1966–67 estimates and allowing for consequential side effects on overspill relief and on the yield from Income Tax under Schedule F on dividends, etc., £78 million in a full year.

    Baor (Support Costs)

    45.

    asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer what estimate he has made of the shortfall in fulfilment of the current agreement on support costs for the Rhine Army to 31st March, 1967, before allowance is made for any advance payments on account of equipment to be procured subsequently.

    The obligation accepted by the Federal German Republic is to make payments which count for the purposes of Articles 2(a) and (b) of the Agreement of the 27th July, 1964, amounting, in the year 1966–67, to approximately DM600 million. I anticipate that by 31st March, 1967, procurement and payments will exceed this figure. Deliveries will not be completed until after the 31st March, 1967.

    National Income (Wages And Salaries)

    47.

    asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer what steps he proposes to take to increase the proportion of the national income going to wages and salaries, in view of recent trends.

    The main instrument available to the Government to promote a proper distribution of the national income is the tax system, but my hon. Friend will not expect me to anticipate my Budget Statement.

    Taxation

    50.

    asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer whether, in order to check the brain drain and to encourage industrial productivity, he will now consider reducing Corporation Tax to the French level of 25 per cent. and Income Tax to the French levels, and changing from Purchase Tax to the tax on added value.

    Ministers Of State

    51.

    asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer what was the total number of Ministers of State of all ranks and the gross total of salaries paid to them on 18th April, 1966, and 20th February, 1967, respectively.

    Indecent Or Obscene Articles (Importation)

    52.

    asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer if he will prohibit the import of packets of chewing gum, an example of which has been sent to him, which also contain horror picture cards depicting bloody scenes alleged to have taken place during the American civil war and which on the reverse side of the card give a mock newspaper article setting out detailed descriptions of the alleged killings and events.

    The importation of indecent or obscene articles is prohibited. Very similar cards to these were tested last September in a prosecution under the Obscene Publications Act, 1959. The magistrates ruled that the cards were not obscene and dismissed the case.

    Royal Mint (Location)

    53.

    asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer if he will establish the new Royal Mint in the North-East of England.

    55.

    asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer what conclusion he has now reached on the future of the Royal Mint; if he will establish two new locations, one for the present coinage and one for new decimal coinage; if he will locate one of these in the Northern Development area; and whether he will make a statement.

    These matters are still under active consideration. My right hon. Friend hopes to make a statement in the next two months.

    Selective Employment Tax

    54.

    asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer what representations he has received from the City Treasurer of Manchester relating to the method of payment by local authorities of the Selective Employment Tax; and if he will make a statement.

    60.

    asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer to what extent the Selective Employment Tax has affected the economy.

    The Selective Employment Tax has raised a substantial amount of revenue and made a significant contribution to the restraint of home demand during the past year. Premiums are now being paid to manufacturing industry and repayments in other cases. It is too early to make any precise estimates of its effects.

    Crown Cork Company (Dividend)

    56.

    asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer what advice the Treasury gave to the board of the Crown Cork Company regarding its dividend payment for 1966, in the light of the fact that profits for the year of £325,000 were disclosed.

    Treasury advice was that it did not seem to be imperative for this company to increase its distributions during the period of the voluntary dividend standstill.

    Pensioners (Savings)

    57.

    asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer whether, in view of the Report of the Family Survey for 1966 that pensioners have to draw on savings to meet commitments, he will institute a similar survey into conditions of public service pensioners and pensioners of the Armed Services.

    No. One of the reasons for savings during working life is to have them to draw upon in retirement.

    Foreign Travel Allowance (Yachtsmen)

    59.

    asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer if the £25 added to the travel allowance to those who take a car abroad will in future be available also to yachtsmen.

    No. Yachtsmen are already allowed to pay in sterling in the United Kingdom for bunkers and lubricants wherever lifted.

    European Economic Community (Cost Of Living)

    58.

    asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer if he will give an assurance that no commitment to enter the Common Market will be made without safeguards for meeting the increase in the price of food for non-tax payers and those who cannot draw on social service benefits.

    If Her Majesty's Government joined the European Economic Community they would need to decide at the time, in the light of all the relevant circumstances, whether any resultant rise in the cost of living called for special action in relation to taxation or social security policies.

    Energy Imports

    61.

    asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer what was the cost to the United Kingdom's balance of payments for imports of energy from abroad in the years 1960, 1961, 1962, 1963, 1964, 1965, and 1966.

    I cannot publish estimates of this kind, but the net cost to the balance of payments was considerably less than the c.i.f. valuation shown in the Trade Accounts.

    Nationalised Industries (Taxation)

    62.

    asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer, in view of the fact that private industry paid £789 million in direct taxation in 1964–65 and nationalised industry £3·5 million, what proposals he has to make the nationalised industries pay a greater share of the taxation burden.

    None. The financial performance of the nationalised industries is in the main determined by financial objectives given to them by the Government. They pay direct tax on the same basis as any private Company although the amount paid has been affected both by their rate of expansion and capital allowances; and also by deficits where these have been incurred.

    Overseas Theatrical Performers (Income Tax Arrears)

    65.

    asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer why his regulations permit overseas theatrical performers to build up large Income Tax arrears whilst performing in this country.

    Assessing the liability is often unusually difficult in these cases, but Inland Revenue do all they can to get the liability worked out and the tax paid promptly.

    National Lottery

    66.

    asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer why he will not introduce a National Lottery, as a way of using money spent on gambling for useful social purposes.

    Because it is doubtful how much new saving it will attract, the administrative costs would be heavy and many people would find it objectionable in principle.

    Capital Wealth (Distribution)

    67.

    asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer if he will make a statement on the distribution of capital wealth and the progress made in redistribution since 1964.

    I would refer my hon. Friend to Table 166 in the 109th Report of the Board of Inland Revenue, which contains all the information we have.

    Religious Objects (Customs And Excise)

    asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer if he will seek to exempt from Customs and Excise duty religious objects used exclusively in connection with religious worship.

    No. I am afraid that, other considerations apart, it would not be practicable to base an exemption upon the subsequent use of the goods.

    General Betting Duty

    asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer what representations have been made by both horse racing and greyhound racing interests to the effect that a differential duty should be imposed so that in any review of the level of the present 2½ per cent. General Betting Duty, on-course betting could be taxed at a lower rate than off-course betting; and what reply he has sent.

    Representations to this effect have recently been received from the National Greyhound Racing Society; they were informed that their representations would be borne in mind.

    asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer, whether, since the new General Betting Duty was inaugurated on 24th October, 1966, the total yield from the duty has been within the estimated yield in respect of the categories, duty received from on-course bookmakers, duty received from off-course bookmakers, duty received from horse-race totalisator, and duty received from greyhound totalisator, respectively.

    There was insufficient information available to prepare in advance detailed estimates of the yield of the General Betting Duty under these categories separately.

    Income Tax (Age Relief And Exemption)

    asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer what would be the cost to the revenue of raising the age relief allowance from £900 to £1,000 and of raising the age exemption limit for a single person from £390 to £490 and for a married man from £625 to £725, respectively.

    The costs in a full year of the suggested increases in the income limits for age relief and age exemption would be about £1 million and about £21 million.

    Management Training In Civil Service (Report)

    asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer whether he has received the Report of the Working Party on Management Training in the Civil Service which he appointed in November, 1965.

    Yes. The Working Party has submitted its Report which has been made available to the Committee on the Civil Service of which Lord Fulton is Chairman. The Report will be considered by the Committee as part of the evidence submitted to them. Copies of the Report have been placed in the Library of the House. I am grateful to the members of the Working Party for carrying out their assignment as quickly as was consistent with a thorough study of This important subject.

    Income Tax (Children's Allowances)

    asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer what would be the net change in family income after tax, where the standard rate of tax is paid, if the tax allowances for children were replaced by taxable children's allowances, at the Supplementary Benefit Commission rates for dependent children, where there are two children under 11 years of age, where there is one child aged five, where there are children aged seven, 11 and 12, and where there are children aged one, three and six, respectively.

    On the assumption that these rates of taxable children's allowances were paid for a full year, in addition to the present family allowances, the net changes in family income after tax (to the nearest £) would be:an increase of £4 a year (on the assumption that both children are aged 5 or over);an increase of £2 a year;an increase of £10 a year; anda reduction of £10 a year.

    Economy (Reflation)

    asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer what proposals he now has for reflating the economy; and if he will make a statement.

    I would refer the hon. Gentleman to the reply I gave this afternoon to the hon. Members for Southend, West (Mr. Channon); Lewisham, West (Mr. Dickens); and Louth (Sir C. Osborne).

    Expenditure Across Exchanges (Savings)

    asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer if he will give an assurance that it remains the policy of Her Majesty's Government to cut Government expenditure across the exchanges by £100 million over the whole of the financial year 1967–68.

    As my right hon. Friend the Prime Minister said in reply to the hon. Member for Belfast, North (Mr. Stratton Mills) on 28th February—[Vol. 742, c. 261–2]—we are determined to realise the savings announced on 20th July.

    Housing

    Private And Public Building

    68.

    asked the Minister of Housing and Local Government why he has agreed to switch the production of houses from the private to the public sector, in view of the fact that this costs a further £20 million a year in housing subsidies.

    The extra houses built in the public sector are required to increase the programmes of authorities with urgent housing needs arising from slum clearance and shortages, and to increase the pool of houses to let at reasonable rents, especially in the big cities. There is no question of a switch from the private to the public sector; I want to see increases in both sectors, and to maintain an approximate balance between them.

    Environmental Studies (Government Grant)

    69.

    asked the Minister of Housing and Local Government why he has just authorised the initial spending of another £600,000 on a centre for environment studies.

    Research in this field is urgently needed. The Government grant is limited to one and a half times the total contribution of the Ford Foundation, up to a maximum of £600,000 and will be spread over five years.

    Rented Houses

    72.

    asked the Minister of Housing and Local Government what plans he has to introduce legislation to municipalise all rented houses.

    London Borough Of Newham

    74.

    asked the Minister of Housing and Local Government on what evidence his Department issued a Press release on Monday, 23rd January, 1967, to the effect that the London Borough of Newham had very heavy concentration of slums and that special talks would be held to speed-up the clearance of these black spots; and whether he will give an assurance that in such talks special financial assistance will be considered as a means of assisting this borough to overcome its special problem.

    The evidence was obtained from the returns submitted in response to Circular 11/65 and at meetings held with the Council on 27th October and 20th December, 1966. On the second part of the Question, I would refer my hon. Friend to the answers I gave in reply to questions by him on 28th February.—[Vol. 742, c. 62–65.]

    National House Builders Registration Council (Inspectorate)

    73.

    asked the Minister of Housing and Local Government what is the result of his consultations with the House Builders Registration Council aimed at improving their inspection system.

    The Council have appointed five regional managers and are recruiting additional inspectors. My right hon. Friend is satisfied that as their scheme expands the National House Builders Registration Council are taking adequate steps to expand their inspectorate.

    Local Government

    Noise

    70.

    asked the Minister of Housing and Local Government if he will arrange for a nationwide noise survey to be carried out.

    No. The Committee on Noise, presided over by Sir Alan Wilson, made an exhaustive study of this subject a few years ago and my right hon. Friend does not think that a nationwide survey at this stage would add to the information contained in the Committee's findings.

    Unoccupied Properties (Rating)

    asked the Minister of Housing and Local Government how many local authorities have indicated their intention of implementing the sections of the Local Government Act, 1966, relating to the rating of unoccupied properties in the coming municipal year and subsequently.

    By 6th March my right hon. Friend had received notifications from 22 authorities in England and Wales that they had resolved to apply these provisions in their areas.

    asked the Minister of Housing and Local Government whether it is his intention to exercise his powers under the Local Government Act, 1966, and introduce regulations concerning the rating of unoccupied properties in the Greater London area; and what representations he has received in this connection from London borough councils or local authority associations.

    My right hon. Friend's only power to make regulations under these provisions relate to possible extension of relief from liability. He has received no representations from the bodies mentioned about such regulations.

    Boroughs (Rate Product)

    asked the Minister of Housing and Local Government how many cities or towns in England have populations of between 90,000 and 110,000; and what is the product of a penny rate in these boroughs.

    The information is as follows:

    Population mid-1966Estimated Penny Rate Product 1966–67
    £
    Exeter C.B.92,36020,830
    Halifax C.B.94,95010,960
    Grimsby C.B.95,03014,700
    Poole Boro.96,39020,600
    Swindon Boro.98,41015,550
    Cambridge Boro.99,83022,400
    Gateshead C.B.101,20013,070
    Blackburn C.B.101,79013,002
    Wallasey C.B.102,84014,825
    Solihull C.B.103,60018,740
    St. Helens C.B.103,78014,120
    York C.B.106,01015,000
    Preston C.B.107,40017,580
    South Shields C.B.108,11012,958
    Oxford C.B.109,51029,000
    These figures take no account of rate-deficiency grant or of the resources element of the rate support grant, which are payable to local authorities whose penny rate product per head of population is below the national average.

    Building Design (Circular 71/65)

    asked the Minister of Housing and Local Government what information is available as to the implementation by local authorities of the Government Paper attached to Circular 71/65 of his Department.

    Plans reaching the Department show that in designing their own buildings authorities are having regard to the recommendations in the accompanying pamphlet. I have no reason to doubt that they are also bringing them to the attention of private developers wherever appropriate.

    Commonwealth Affairs

    Colonies, Indian Ocean (Airfields)

    75.

    asked the Secretary of State for Commonwealth Affairs what British Colonies in the Indian Ocean have airfields; and in which other Colonies in the area he proposes to develop civil or military airfields.

    Mauritius is the only British territory in the area which has an airfield.A civil airfield will be built in Seychelles and I refer the hon. Member to the reply given on 8th November, 1966, by the then Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for the Colonies—[Vol. 735, c. 242]. There are no plans for building further civil airfields in the area.Military airfields are a matter for my right hon. Friend the Secretary of State for Defence.

    Malta

    76.

    asked the Secretary of State for Commonwealth Affairs whether he will make a statement about his discussions with the Prime Minister of Malta.

    asked the Secretary of State for Commonwealth Affairs if he will make a statement on the Anglo-Maltese governmental talks.

    My right hon. Friend the Minister without Portfolio is still engaged in negotiations, but hopes to make a statement in the near future.

    Ministry Of Power

    Hospitals (Gas And Electricity Charges)

    77.

    asked the Minister of Power if he will issue a general direction, in the public interest, to the electricity and gas boards not to make higher charges to hospitals than to domestic consumers.

    No. The boards design their tariffs with the objective of reflecting as far as practicable the relevant costs. Hospitals like other local public services are not singled out for special treatment. Consumers who consider they are overcharged should take the matter up with the gas or electricity board, or the consultative council concerned.

    Future Power Demand

    78.

    asked the Minister of Power what steps are being taken to meet the power supply needs of the country during the next five years; and what new nuclear power station provision has been planned.

    The Central Electricity Generating Board have 30500 MW. of plant on order, of which 28000 MW. is planned to be in service by the end of 1971. This programme will provide adequate capacity to meet the demand. Of these totals 3270 MW. is nuclear, including the A.G.R. station at Dungeness.For later years an A.G.R. station (1320 MW.) is approved for Hinckley Point, and further stations of this type are under consideration.

    Nuclear Power Stations

    80.

    asked the Minister of Power whether, in dealing with the request for him to authorise the world's biggest nuclear power station at Heysham, he will have full regard for the fact that the site is much closer to centres of population than previously authorised stations.

    Yes; in considering whether to license a nuclear power station under the Nuclear Installations Act, 1965, I consider all the relevant factors.

    Colliery Waste (Commercial Disposal)

    79.

    asked the Minister of Power what research is being carried out to prepare colliery spoil for commercial disposal; and what approximate time will be required for the studies to be completed.

    The Board already sells large quantities of colliery waste—6·9 million tons in 1965–66. To develop further outlets it is examining the possibility of increasing disposals of waste for brickmaking and of developing its use for the manufacture of aggregates to replace gravel in concrete making. It is also studying the combination of sewage with colliery waste as a fertiliser. The studies are being hastened but I cannot say when they will be completed.

    Gas (Underground Storage)

    81.

    asked the Minister of Power what application he has had from the Gas Council for the underground storage of gas.

    Hematite Iron

    asked the Minister of Power what are the annual figures for the years 1962, 1963, 1964, 1965, and 1966 of hematite iron production, home sales and imports.

    HEMATITE IRON
    UNITED KINGDOM PRODUCTION, HOME SALES AND IMPORTS
    ProductionHome Consumption*thousand tonsImports
    1962875·7882·459·1
    1963816·9913·0122·3
    1964956·81,051·2166·9
    1965877·4970·2160·5
    1966677·9775·9232·5
    Note:
    * The deliveries of hematite pig iron to the home market, excluding deliveries to companies' own or associated works, as a proportion of home consumption were as follows:—
    1962–49%1965–40%
    1963–44%1966–35%
    1964–41
    Annual figures for production and home consumption are for 52 weeks except for 1964 where the figures relate to a 53 week period.

    Pit Closures (Northern Region)

    82.

    asked the Minister of Power what notification he has had of the estimated number of pit closures in the Northern Region during the next three years; how many men are involved; and what proportion of these is expected to be absorbed in the remaining mines in the Region.

    At the time the Colliery Classification List was published in November, 1965, it was announced that all of the "C" pits and many of the "B" pits were likely to close in the next five years.At present there are 20 "B" pits and 30 "C" pits in the Northern Region employing approximately 37,000 men. Decisions on individual closures and their timing will only be taken by the N.C.B. after consulting the Unions. In the past three years nearly 80 per cent. of the men affected by closures have been transferred to other pits, nearly all within the Region. The Board will continue its policy of transferring as many men as possible in this way.

    Technology

    Shipbuilding (Tonnage)

    84.

    asked the Minister of Technology what was the tonnage of ships built in the United Kingdom, Germany, Sweden, and Japan in each of the last five years and the value of the tonnage built in each country in each of these years.

    The information is as follows:

    LAUNCHINGS
    (Thousands of gross registered tons)
    YearU.K.Federal Republic of GermanySwedenJapan
    19621,0731,0108412,183
    19639289718882,367
    19641,0438901,0204,085
    19651,0731,0231,1705,363
    19661,0841,1841,1616,685
    Source: Lloyd's Register of Shipping
    VALUE OF COMPLETIONS IN U.K.
    £ Millions
    1962137
    1963138
    1964106
    1965146
    1966145
    Source: The Shipbuilding ConferenceNo information about the value of ships built in Germany, Sweden, or Japan is available.

    Tanker Launchings

    83.

    asked the Minister of Technology how many gross registered tons of tankers were launched in 1956 and 1966, respectively; and what percentage of total launchings for the year each represented.

    Launchings of tankers from United Kingdom yards amounted to 518,126 gross registered tons in 1956 and 244,036 gross registered tons in 1966, representing 37·5 per cent. and 22·5 per cent. respectively of total launchings from United Kingdom yards in those years.

    New Building Materials (Fire Properties)

    asked the Minister of Technology if he will make a statement on the progress of research into fire hazards, and fire resistance, of new building materials.

    The Fire Research Station undertakes research into fire properties of new materials and factors affecting the rate of spread and duration of fires in buildings.New materials under current investigation include plastics, laminated timber columns, new alloys of structural steel, reinforced concrete with various degrees of restraint, and glass fibre used to reinforce cement, plaster and plastics. The degree to which heated materials evolve smoke and toxic products is also studied.

    Concord Aircraft (Ground And Flight Tests)

    asked the Minister of Technology if the site of the tests of the supersonic airliner has now been fixed; and if the city chosen will be in the West Country.

    The ground tests and flight testing required for Concord will take place mainly at Filton, Bristol where the aircraft is being developed, but will also range over a wide area. No decision about sonic bang tests has yet been reached.

    Factory Atmospheres (Toxic Substances)

    asked the Minister of Technology what progress is being made in research into methods of determining toxic substances in factory atmospheres.

    Booklets describing methods for eight toxic substances, based on research carried out by the Laboratory of the Government Chemist for the Ministry of Labour, were published by Her Majesty's Stationery Office in 1966. Booklets on chromic acid mist, phosgene, nitrous fumes, and mercury are in the Press, and methods for hydrogen fluoride, ozone, and organic di-isocyanates are now being investigated.

    Refrigerated Ships (Launchings)

    asked the Minister of Technology how many gross registered tons of refrigeration ships were launched in 1961 and 1966, respectively; and what percentage of total launchings for the year each represented.

    Launchings from United Kingdom yards of vessels to be completed as refrigerated ships amounted to 129,320 gross registered tons in 1961, representing 11 per cent. of total launchings. It is not yet possible to give the comparable total for 1966.

    Ministry Of Labour

    Selective Employment Tax

    85.

    asked the Minister of Labour what estimate he has formed of the numbers redeployed from service to manufacturing industries in the regions as a result of the Selective Employment Tax, including Scotland and Northern Ireland.

    I would refer the hon. Member to the reply I gave to the hon. Member for Wycombe (Mr. John Hall) on Monday, 13th February.—[Vol. 741, c. 11.]

    York And Newcastle

    asked the Minister of Labour what are the latest percentage rates of unemployment in York and Newcastle; what are the average earnings in these cities; and how they compare with the national average.

    At 13th February, 1967, when the percentage rate of unemployment for Great Britain was 2·6, the rates for York and Tyneside were 1·9 and 3·6 per cent. respectively.

    Percentage rates of unemployment can be calculated for the whole of the Tyneside "travel to work" area, but not for Newcastle-on-Tyne alone, which forms part of this area.

    Information on average earnings is not available for areas less than regions.

    Swan Hunter And Wigham Richardson (Draughtsmen)

    asked the Minister of Labour if the recent increase in pay for draughtsmen offered by Swan Hunter and Wigham Richardson was confirmed by his Department as consistent with the criteria expected to be observed during the period of severe restraint; and if he will make a statement.

    I understand that the firm made an offer for payment, subject to Government policy, after the period of severe restraint.

    Railwaymen, Exeter (Redundancy)

    asked the Minister of Labour what immediate steps are to be taken to provide alternative employment for any railwaymen made redundant by the closure of Exmouth Junction Motive Power Depot, Exeter.

    I understand that the majority of the railwaymen made redundant by this closure will be offered transfers within British Railways. The employment exchange is making arrangements to register any who require other jobs. They will be given all possible help to find employment.

    Ministry Of Defence

    Baor (Costs)

    86.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence what economies he has secured in costs of the British Army of the Rhine during 1966–67 in accordance with his Budget and reduction of forces this year; and what revised estimate of the cost of the British Army of the Rhine 1966–67 he has made following the Prime Minister's conversations in Bonn, mid-February, 1967.

    I would refer the hon. Gentleman to the statement by my right hon. Friend the Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster on 12th December, 1966—[Vol. 738, c. 441–451]—about the close connection between the foreign exchange costs of the Services in Germany and the current tripartite talks. As the Prime Minister announced on 16th February, 1967—[Vol. 741, c. 800–808]—it was agreed in Bonn that this issue should continue to be dealt with by the tripartite machinery. Meanwhile, the United States Government will make further purchases in the defence field in the United Kingdom to the amount of £12½ million during 1967 and measures not affecting combat capability have been taken to save about £4 million in 1967–68 and more eventually. The latest forecast of the 1966–67 Deutschemark costs of British Army of the Rhine is about £73 million (£86 million including the Royal Air Force).

    F111k Aircraft (Cost)

    87.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence what additional burden will fall on the United Kingdom dollar resources as a result of the increase in the cost of the United States F111K aircraft since the agreement to purchase it was concluded.

    I have nothing to add at present to my remarks about the cost of this aircraft during the course of the Defence Debate on 27th February.—[Vol. 742, c. 213.]

    F1ll Aircraft

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence under what conditions of the Anglo-American Fll1 Offset Agreement orders already placed by the United States of America and other countries with British industry and orders to be placed in future, respectively, count towards fulfilment of that agreement in the event of a decision by Her Majesty's Government not to confirm the purchase of the 40 Fl11s currently under option; and what compensation payments under the agreement would become due from Her Majesty's Government in that event.

    Without in any way accepting the premise of the question, the answer is that there are no such conditions; there is provision, for consultation on the offset aspects of the F111 Arrangement.

    Nato (Portugal)

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence what contribution Portugal now makes to the North Atlantic Treaty Organisation in naval, military and economic terms; and if he will make a statement.

    Such information as is available to me on Portgual's defence contribution to the North Atlantic Treaty Organisation is security classified.

    Glen Parva Barracks

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence what plans he has to make use of Glen Parva Barracks, at Wigston in Leicestershire, for returning overseas troops.

    I regret that I cannot add to my hon. Friend's reply to the hon. Gentleman on 1st August, 1966.—[Vol. 733, c. 33.]

    Arms Exports (Information)

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence if he will give a list of arms sales to foreign countries in the last 18 months showing what has been sold, the quantities, the value and the purchasers, together with similar information where firm contracts exist but delivery has not yet been completed.

    No. My right hon. Friend the Prime Minister explained to the hon. Member on 28th July, 1966—[Vol. 732, c. 1900]—why it is undesirable to depart from the longstanding practice that details of arms exports to individual countries are not disclosed.

    Economic Affairs

    Development Areas

    88.

    asked the First Secretary of State and Secretary of State for Economic Affairs what steps Her Majesty's Government are taking to protect the economically weaker areas of the country.

    The Government is following a systematic policy of encouraging industrial activity in the development areas, including larger investment grants, loans and grants for premises, factories to rent, help with key workers and with training and access to credit. In addition excessive development in the more congested areas is strongly discouraged. Special measures were taken to reduce the impact of the restrictions of last July on the development areas and the Government is continuing to watch the position closely.

    European Economic Community

    89.

    asked the First Secretary of State and Secretary of State for Economic Affairs what consultations he has had with regional economic councils concerning the likely effect on regional policies and development of entry by Great Britain into the European Economic Community.

    While development in Common Market policies towards regional planning are kept under review in my Department, no consultations have yet taken place with the regional economic planning councils.

    Economic Development Committees (Information On Imports)

    asked the First Secretary of State and Secretary of State for Economic Affairs whether the Government have reached a decision on the need of economic development committees for more detailed information about imports of machinery and other products.

    The Government have been convinced that, in order to promote the manufacture of competitive British goods the Economic Development Committees need to know what is being imported in more detail than is at present given by Customs statistics. We accordingly intend to introduce legislation to provide, with suitable safeguards, that more of the information at present supplied by importers to H.M. Customs and Excise may be made available where the Government consider this to be in the national interest. If the legislation is approved, such information would thereafter be provided from import documents presented to Customs after today. The Government's intention has been generally welcomed by the National Economic Development Council.

    Select Committees

    90.

    asked the Lord President of the Council if he will move to appoint a Select Committee to consider the fishing industry.

    asked the Lord President of the Council if he will move to set up a Specialist Committee on housing and local government.

    Not at present. I should like to see how the existing experimental Committees get on. We can then consider, probably next Session, what our future course of action should be.

    Post Office

    Motor Vehicle Licences (Northern Ireland)

    91.

    asked the Postmaster-General how many post offices in Northern Ireland are empowered to issue motor vehicle renewal licence forms; where they are situated; and how this figure compares with five and 10 years ago, respectively.

    Motor vehicle licences can be renewed at the following 15 post offices in Northern Ireland:

    Ballymena.Lurgan.
    Banbridge.Newcastle.
    Bangor.Newry.
    Coleraine.Newtownards.
    Cookstown.Portadown.
    Dungannon.Portrush.
    Larne.Strabane.
    Lisburn.
    The figure has not altered over the past ten years. Application forms are available at many other offices which do not renew licences.

    Wireless And Television

    Local Sound Radio Stations (Location)

    asked the Postmaster-General whether he will announce the location of the first three local sound radio stations.

    The first three stations will be at Leicester, Merseyside and Sheffield. I expect to announce the location of the remaining six before Easter.

    Agriculture, Fisheries And Food

    Dog Licences

    92.

    asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food if he will seek to permit payment of dog licences on a quinquennial basis.

    This is one of a number of issues relating to the licensing of dogs which is now under consideration.

    White Fish Authority (Price Scheme)

    asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food what minimum price scheme has been submitted to him by the White Fish Authority; and whether he will make a statement about his plans with regard to this scheme.

    The White Fish Authority have published a scheme and are prepared to receive objections until 13th March. They cannot submit the scheme until they have considered any objections. Ministers will then consider it in the light of any unresolved objections, in accordance with the procedure laid down in the Third Schedule to the Sea Fish Industry Act, 1951.

    Livestock

    asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food, in view of the stagnation in the livestock position and the static condition of the national dairy herd, what are his plans to expand production.

    These are matters for consideration at the Annual Review, and I cannot anticipate its outcome.

    Pulpwood

    asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food what was the average price paid for imported pulpwood and the average paid for home-grown pulpwood in 1966.

    The average price for imported pulpwood in 1966 was £32·52 per piled cubic fathom. I understand that the information to calculate the average price for home-grown pulpwood is not available.

    Eggs (Processing)

    asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food whether he will now make a further statement about the comments he received from the British Egg Marketing Board on the Committee of Investigation's report on the arrangements for processing second-quality eggs.

    Yes. The Board has now submitted its draft proposals outlining revised arrangements for the processing of both first and second quality eggs. My right hon. Friends and I propose to make copies available on request and invite comments on these proposals from anyone concerned in the processing of eggs or the distribution or use of the processed products. I should make it clear that we are not in any way committed at this stage to accepting these proposals, and we will take comments into account before reaching a decision.

    Rhodesia

    Q9.

    asked the Prime Minister if he will now transfer responsibility for the Rhodesian question from the Secretary of State for Commonwealth Affairs to the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs.

    European Economic Community

    Q10.

    asked the Prime Minister whether the public speech about the Common Market made by the Secretary of State for Commonwealth Affairs in New Zealand on 15th February represents the policy of Her Majesty's Government.

    Q11.

    asked the Prime Minister what reply he has sent to the official proposal made by the French Foreign Minister that Her Majesty's Government should accept all the implications of the Rome Treaty.

    Railways (Freightliner Terminals)

    Q12.

    asked the Prime Minister if he will state the number of open terminals now available for use on British Railways.

    Q13.

    asked the Prime Minister how many open terminals are now available on British Railways.

    I would refer my hon. Friends to the Statement which my right hon. Friend the Minister of Transport made to the House earlier today.

    Magistrates And Magistrates' Clerks

    asked the Attorney-General whether he will take steps to remove from office magistrates or magistrates' clerks who reveal racial or political prejudice towards either the Welsh or the English language in the conduct of their business.

    My noble Friend the Lord Chancellor is not aware that any magistrate or magistrate's clerk shows any such racial or political prejudice in the conduct of his duties.

    Welsh Courts Act (Welsh Language)

    asked the Attorney-General what steps he will take to acquaint the magistrates' and other courts in Wales of the statutory provisions contained in Section 1 of the Welsh Courts Act, 1942, which give to the party or witness the sole right of deciding whether he will use the Welsh language.

    I do not think it would be proper for me to direct any court as to the interpretation of any statutory provision. The Welsh Courts Act, 1942, is being studied by my right hon. Friend the Secretary of State for Wales in connection with the legislation which will be needed to implement those recommendations of the Hughes Parry Report which the Government has accepted.

    Bracknell Magistrates (Mr Hackett)

    asked the Attorney-General whether he will now consider removing Mr. Hackett from the list of Bracknell magistrates, in view of his refusal to grant legal aid to a woman in danger of imprisonment.

    My noble Friend the Lord Chancellor has decided that such removal would not be justified.

    Legal Aid

    asked the Attorney-General what approximate estimate he has of the annual cost of granting legal aid in rent assessment committee cases and all administrative tribunal cases, respectively.

    No estimates have been made. Even if economic circumstances permitted the extension of legal aid to this field, it would be inappropriate to make it available in every administrative tribunal.

    Education And Science

    Picture Restoration

    asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science what discussion he has held with the Arts Council and the directors of national and municipal galleries with a view to increasing the number of those trained in picture restoration.

    As a result of views expressed by a number of bodies and individuals, including the Museums Association and the Directors of the National and Tate Galleries, I have asked the Standing Commission on Museums and Galleries for their advice on this question and I am fully aware of the anxiety felt by all interested parties.

    Secondary Education (London Borough Of Enfield)

    asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science what discussions his Department had with teachers and parents in the London Borough of Enfield concerning the future proposals for the reorganisation of secondary education within the borough; and whether he will give details of the way in which he consulted teachers and parents on these proposals.

    Harris College, Preston

    asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science if he will grant polytechnic status to the Harris College, Preston, in view of its importance for the industrial progress of north-west Lancashire.

    We are considering the claims of a number of colleges for inclusion in the list of polytechnics, and an announcement will be made as soon as possible.

    Polytechnics

    asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science whether he will now revise his preliminary proposals for the establishment of polytechnics within the North-West Region, which has the worst ratio of polytechnics to population of all regions; and what additional polytechnics he has sanctioned to give effect to the Government policy of encouraging educational facilities in the regions that do not share the growth of the South-East.

    We are considering the claims of colleges in a number of regions, including the North-West, for inclusion in the list of polytechnics and an announcement will be made as soon as possible.

    Overseas Students

    asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science what facilities exist for finding places at technical colleges for overseas students; how successful these facilities are proving; and whether they are adequate to meet the need.

    Most students are placed as a result of individual application to colleges, and the Department has issued guidance to local education authorities and colleges to assist them in making appropriate admission arrangements. On all the evidence so far I believe the present system to be working satisfactorily and to be adequate to meet needs.

    Ministry Of Health

    Thrombosis (Deaths Of Women)

    asked the Minister of Health what was the recorded number of deaths of women of fertile age attributable to thrombosis in each of the last 10 years for which figures are available

    Deaths of women aged 15 to 49 in which a thromboembolic condition* was assigned as the underlying cause of death:

    ENGLAND AND WALES 1956–1965
    NumbersRates per million women aged 15–40
    195673268
    195772868
    195880675
    195973869
    196077172
    196177872
    196286079
    196390183
    196495187
    196597889
    The increase in the rates for women over the period was 31 per cent compared with an increase of nearly 36 per cent among men in the same age group.

    * International classification of Diseases Numbers 332, 420, 463, 464, 465, 466 and 570·2.

    Home Department

    Metropolitan Police Garages (Engineering Workers)

    asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department what basic and overtime rates are paid to civilian mechanics and fitters employed at Metropolitan Police garages; and whether he is satisfied these compare satisfactorily with rates at other garages.

    The rates accord with the pay and overtime conditions for engineering workers in the Government's industrial establishments in the London area, as negotiated by the Engineering Trades Joint Council. To the basic rate for skilled craftsmen is added 4s. 10d. a week awarded by the Industrial Court and an extra 4s 0d. a week lead for certain specialists. Skilled craftsmen also receive supplements in recognition of service, skill, industry and other special factors, up to a maximum of 47s. Od. a week, in accordance with Joint Council arrangements. Semi-skilled staff receive leads reflecting the requirements of their particular jobs. A productivity bonus scheme has recently come into operation; the bonus payments are additional to the other elements of pay just described.

    Welsh Language

    asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department how many of the persons summoned in Wales since 1st January, 1965, for failing to display a road fund licence on their motor vehicles have requested the summons to be in the Welsh language.

    asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department what advice he has given to magistrates' clerks in Wales concerning the issue of summonses in the Welsh language.

    It is for the courts to interpret the law, but my Department has expressed the view that a summons may lawfully be issued in Welsh.

    asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department if he will take steps to acquaint the chief constables of Welsh police forces of the Government's proposals to give the Welsh language equal validity with English and to advise them not to prosecute persons who, as a result of using the Welsh language as if it already had equal legal validity with the English language, are unable to conform to certain statutory requirements, without obtaining the advice of the Director of Public Prosecutions.

    No. I am sure that Chief Constables of Welsh police forces are well aware of the proposals, and I do not think that any such advice would be appropriate.

    Vietnam

    asked the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs if he will provide facilities to hon. Members of Parliament to visit Vietnam, in order that hon. Members may be more informed of conditions in that country.

    So far as I am aware, there are no obstacles in the way of hon. Members visiting Vietnam, subject to the concurrence of the authorities there.

    Scotland

    Kippford (Access Road)

    asked the Secretary of State for Scotland whether he is aware that numerous houses at Kippford, near Dalbeattie, have had their access road washed away by floods; and whether he will undertake emergency action to repair the road so that these householders may receive fuel and food supplies and medical attention if necessary.

    For part of its length this is a Class III road which Kirkcudbright County Council, as highway authority, has already repaired. Beyond the Class III road section it is a private road, extending for half a mile to serve about nine houses. This private section is not the responsibility of the highway authority. I understand, however, that emergency repairs to restore vehicular access to the houses have been carried out; and that the district council has agreed to contribute towards the cost.

    Flood Damage, Dumfries Area

    asked the Secretary of State for Scotland what assistance he will give to local authorities, industry, farmers and householders in Dumfriesshire following the serious flooding by river and sea on 27th and 28th February.

    asked the Secretary of State for Scotland (1) when he or a Minister from the Scottish Office will visit the flood damage in Dumfries and Galloway;(2) what assistance will be made available to assist victims of flooding in Dumfries and Galloway whose land, houses and property have been damaged or ruined by flooding;(3) whether similar assistance will be made available for Dumfries and Galloway as a result of the recent flood disaster as was given in the Highlands; and whether he will make a statement.

    As the hon. Members will be aware, I made a point of inspecting flood damage when I was in the Dumfries area on 3rd March, and I then received firsthand reports about all the areas where flooding took place.I have every sympathy with those who have suffered loss. The damage to flood banks was not, however, comparable to the damage that took place recently in Inverness-shire and Ross and Cromarty, and I cannot promise that special financial assistance from the Government will be available. Nevertheless various forms of remedial works may qualify for Government grant under the appropriate Acts. I have already received several applications for assistance under the Agriculture Act, 1937 and in some cases provisional approval has been given for works attracting grant.

    Traffic Wardens

    asked the Secretary of State for Scotland how many police officers have been released from parking patrol and other duties associated with motor cars since the introduction of traffic wardens and the recent extension of their powers.

    At the end of January, 230 traffic wardens were employed in Scotland, but since many wardens are employed on duties, e.g., control of parking meters, which would not in any case be undertaken by the police, the saving of police manpower would be considerably less than 230 men. I am, however, satisfied that the employment of traffic wardens can be of material assistance in freeing the police for other duties.

    Police Officers (Resignations)

    asked the Secretary of State for Scotland how many Scottish police officers have resigned the service to take up appointments in Canada, Australasia and England, respectively; and what was their average length of service on resignation.

    122 men and 4 women gave emigration as their reason for resignation during 1966, but no information is available as regards countries or new occupations. Of these, 11 men and 2 women were probationers, 76 men and 2 women had between 2 and 10 years' service and 35 men had 10 years' service or over. In the same period the transfer of 93 men and 4 women to police forces in England and Wales was offset in part by the transfer of 33 men in the opposite direction. I have no information about the length of service of these officers before transfer.

    Forth Road Bridge Tolls

    asked the Secretary of State for Scotland what money has so far been collected at the Forth Road Bridge toll; and if he will express this sum as a percentage per annum of the cost of constructing the bridge.

    During the 30 months since the bridge was opened the Joint Board has received just over £1,447,000 in tolls. On average this represents a gross return on capital cost of 2·9 per cent, per annum, without allowing for expenditure on operation and maintenance.

    Board Of Trade

    Coastal Shipping

    asked the President of the Board of Trade what action he is taking to ensure that coastwise shipping plays a full part in meeting United Kingdom national transport needs.

    Coastal shipping is already playing an important part in meeting these needs, and I am in touch with my right hon. Friend the Minister of Transport about future developments.

    Railways

    Motive Power Depots, Western Region

    asked the Minister of Transport if she will now give a general direction to British Railways to stop the closure of motive power depots in the Western Region.

    No. As my hon. Friend will be aware, this is entirely a matter of management for the Railways Board.

    South-West Region

    asked the Minister of Transport what has been the result of her consideration of the matter of setting up an inquiry into railway management in the South-West Region following the meeting in February between the Joint Parliamentary Secretary and the hon. Member for Exeter.

    Shipping

    River Tyne (Channel Deepening)

    asked the Minister of Transport whether she will give early consideration to proposals submitted to her for the deepening of the channel of the River Tyne, in view of the importance of maintaining efficient modern facilities for shipping in the river.

    I have nothing to add to the reply I gave to a similar Question by my hon. Friend on 18th January.—[Vol. 739, c. 74.]

    Roads

    Telford Road (Pedestrian Footbridge)

    asked the Minister of Transport whether she will authorise the building of a pedestrian footbridge over Telford Road, the A406, at the junction with Bowes Road.

    No. Adequate facilities for pedestrians already exist at this junction.

    Wales

    Employment

    asked the Secretary of State for Wales if he will consult the Minister of Labour with a view to the compilation of a special list, according to their occupation, of persons born in Wales and now living in England but wishing to obtain employment in Wales; and if he will bring it to the notice of employers in Wales, particularly in growth areas.

    No. This would involve a disproportionate expenditure of staff time. Welsh people wishing to return to Wales can obtain information about vacancies from their employment exchanges.

    Town Expansions

    asked the Secretary of State for Wales what plans he has to apply the procedure under the New Towns Act to small schemes for the expansion of existing towns.

    I hope to make a statement in the Welsh Grand Committee on 15th March on Government policy for Mid-Wales including the small towns in the area.

    National Parks

    asked the Secretary of State for Wales what proportion of the land surface of Wales is included in either a national park, an area of outstanding natural beauty, or a nature reserve; and what acreage it is proposed to place in a new Mid-Wales national park.

    National Parks, areas of outstanding natural beauty and nature reserves cover about one-fifth of the area of Wales: and the National Parks Commission have a proposal, which is still under discussion, for the designation of some 500 square miles of Mid-Wales as a national park.

    Welsh Language

    asked the Secretary of State for Wales what plans he has for using the Welsh language on public signs and notices in national parks, areas of outstanding natural beauty, or nature reserves, in Wales.

    The design and wording of public signs and notices in relation to National Parks and areas of outstanding natural beauty is a matter for the Park Planning Authorities and The National Parks Commission. I understand that the symbols for the Pembrokeshire Coast and the Snowdonia National Parks bear names in English and Welsh. Signs and notices relating to Nature Reserves are a mater for The Nature Conservancy.

    asked the Secretary of State for Wales if he will state what consultations he has had about the implementation of Her Majesty's Government's White Paper on the Welsh Language.

    There have been detailed consultations with all the other Government Departments concerned.

    asked the Secretary of State for Wales when he will introduce the Bill to give equal validity to the Welsh language.

    Rate Relief

    asked the Secretary of State for Wales what was the total of the grant paid in 1966–67 to Welsh local authorities under the Rating (Interim Relief) Act, 1964 on the number of persons in excess of 10 per cent. of the rating authority's population over the age of 65 years.

    asked the Secretary of State for Wales what steps he is taking to avoid the added burden to local rates as a result of the decision to discontinue after 1967–68 the grant paid to local authorities under the Rating (Interim Relief) Act 1964 on the number of persons over the age of 65 years in excess of 10 per cent. of the rating authority's population.

    The Act in question was intended as an interim measure pending a general review of the arrangements for Exchequer assistance to local authorities. The discontinuance of grants under it is one of the factors taken into acccount in the new arrangements under the Local Government Act, 1966 which in total have much increased Exchequer assistance to ratepayers.

    Rate Support Grants

    asked the Secretary of State for Wales what consultations he had with Welsh local authorities and their associations in Wales before fixing the amount of the rate support grants.

    These grants are paid by the Minister of Housing and Local Government under the Local Government Act, 1966 to local authorities in England and Wales. My right hon. Friend, who keeps in close touch with me in such matters, consulted the local authority associations for England and Wales. My hon. Friend the Under Secretary of State for Wales attended the meeting.

    Overspill Agreements

    asked the Secretary of State for Wales (1) how many houses have been provided by English local authorities in Welsh local authority areas as a result of agreements made to receive overspill since the Town Development Act 1952; and how many persons on the housing lists of the English authorities have been housed in them;(2) what new industries have been established in Wales as a result of agreements made between Welsh and English local authorities to receive overspill under the Town Development Act 1952; and how many Welshmen have received employment in them;(3) how many local authorities in Wales have entered into negotiations to receive overspill from English authorities since the Town Development Act 1952 came into force; and how many agreements have been made.

    I have no precise information as to the number of local authorities in Wales who have entered into negotiations to receive overspill from English authorities under the Town Development Act 1952, but nine authorities have entered into agreements. No houses have been provided by Welsh authorities and no new industries have been established under these agreements.

    Pulp Mill

    asked the Secretary of State for Wales (1) if he will study the possibilities of establishing a medium-sized pulp mill in central Wales to deal primarily with the wood produced by Forestry Commission woodlands in the area;(2) if he will require the Forestry Commission not to enter into long-term contracts with buyers from their woodlands in Wales in such a way as to prejudice the possible establishment of a pulp mill in Wales.

    My hon. Friend will appreciate that the question of establishing a pulp mill in Wales is a matter for the industry itself. The Forestry Commission have however looked at this problem from time to time and my hon. Friend may recall that in a reply given to him on 12th August, 1966—[Vol. 733, c. 475]—the Commission's view was that the existing timber using industries in Wales are capable of expansion to absorb all the increasing production from Welsh forests in the foreseeable future.