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Volume 742: debated on Wednesday 8 March 1967

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Written Answers To Questions

Wednesday, 8th March, 1967

Roads

Southampton—Midlands And London Area

3.

asked the Minister of Transport what plans she has for road improvements to ensure adequate road communications between the projected container facilities at Southampton and the Midlands and London area.

Between Southampton and Winchester major improvements to the A33, to the value of about £4 million, are either in hand or programmed.North of Winchester, on the A34 to Oxford, schemes to the value of almost £1 million are either in hand or have recently been completed. Further schemes to the value of nearly £3 million are included in the announced forward programme, and the recently-announced list of schemes included in the trunk road preparation pool contains the Abingdon Bypass.Between Southampton and London, the M3 Motorway and other dualling schemes on the A33, totalling some £34 million, together with the improvements between Winchester and Southampton, will provide adequate road communications by the early 1970s.

Mll Motorway (Route)

52.

asked the Minister of Transport whether she will await the publication of proposals for the route of the Mll motorway south of Chigwell before considering objections to the Chigwell-Stump Cross section, in order to allow a proper consideration of the Roding Valley route as a whole.

No; but my right hon. Friend will consider the formal views of the local authorities concerned on the whole route before taking a decision on the published scheme.

New Motorways

40.

asked the Minister of Transport when she expects to have completed her consideration of the proposals by the County Surveyors' Society for an additional 1,700 miles of motorway.

The proposals by the County Surveyors' Society have been taken into account in our assessment of interurban road needs for the 1970s. My right hon. Friend announced on 21st February the first instalment of a pool of new trunk road schemes to be prepared for the first half of the 1970s. Some of these will be built as motorways, others as all-purpose trunk roads. Further instalments will follow this year and next.

Midlands—East Coast Ports

60.

asked the Minister of Transport what plans she has for building a motorway from the Midlands to the East Coast ports and Harwich.

As I said in answer to a Question on 19th December—[Vol. 738, c. 218–219]—the construction of a motorway would not be justified on current estimates of future traffic, but the recently announced extension of the principal road programme and the initial list of trunk road schemes for preparation for the early 1970s programme, included schemes to improve road access to the East Coast ports.

Dovercourt Bypass

61.

asked the Minister of Transport if she will make a further statement on the proposed Dovercourt bypass.

I cannot add to the Answer I gave to the hon. Member on 23rd November, 1966.—[Vol. 736, c. 1386.]

Road System, South-West

62.

asked the Minister of Transport whether she will now announce her detailed plans for a motorway in the South-West.

I have nothing to add to the Answer given to the hon. Member on 25th January.—[Vol. 739, c. 1474–5.]

A442 Lawley (Speed Limit)

66.

asked the Minister of Transport whether she will impose a 40 miles per hour speed limit on the A442 road through Lawley village, Shropshire, in view of recent accidents there.

Shropshire County Council, who are the Order-making authority, have recently approached the divisional road engineer on this matter. If the county council decide to make a formal application for a speed limit, it will, of course, be considered.

King's Lynn Bypass

78.

asked the Minister of Transport what plans she has for speeding up the completion of the King's Lynn bypass.

The Southern Bypass of King's Lynn is included in the "preparation pool" of trunk road schemes which my right hon. Friend announced on 21st February.

M4 Motorway

87.

asked the Minister of Transport what factors have been holding up the completion of the M4 motorway.

Completion of the statutory procedures which must precede the start of construction, and in particular endeavours to meet objections lodged by certain local authorities.

South Lancashire Motorway

92.

asked the Minister of Transport when she will announce the new starting date for building the south Lancashire motorway.

No date has yet been fixed, but I would refer my hon. Friend to the Answer given to the hon. Member for Garston, Liverpool (Mr. Fortescue) on 1st March.—[Vol. 742, c. 96.]

Urban Road Schemes

94.

asked the Minister of Transport what total expenditure on urban road schemes she estimates will occur in the 1970s; and of this what proportion by local authorities.

The level of expenditure on roads, including urban road schemes, in the 1970s has still to be decided, but my right hon. Friend will shortly be announcing the first instalment of a £1,000 million list of urban road schemes on which preparations are to go ahead in readiness for further extensions of the programme in the 1970s. Local authorities will normally bear 25 per cent. of this cost.

95.

asked the Minister of Transport what was the total value of urban road schemes proposed by local authorities and submitted at the request of her Department in 1965.

Highways (Fencing)

96.

asked the Minister of Transport, in view of the reduction in accidents caused by straying animals on the A31 within the New Forest from 83 in 1960 to 3 in 1965, prior to which a fencing scheme had been carried out in 1964, if she will now introduce a Bill to deal with the general position.

This does not seem necessary. Section 85 of the Highways Act, 1959, already empowers highways authorities to fence highways.

Blackpool-M6 Link

107.

asked the Minister of Transport whether, in view of the need to encourage holidays at home, she will give special priority to the building of a Blackpool-M6 link.

No. Improvements in holiday areas will be considered on their merits on the same basis as other schemes.

Winchester Bypass (Flyover Bridge)

109.

asked the Minister of Transport what progress she has made with her plans for a flyover bridge at Bar End Junction on the Winchester bypass.

A detailed survey is now taking place preparatory to the publication of a draft Order under Section 9 of the Highways Act, 1959, probably later this year.

M1 Motorway (Improvement And Reconstruction Work)

108.

asked the Minister of Transport what is the latest estimate of the total cost of repairs to the M1 motorway necessitated by economies in its original construction.

The latest estimated cost of improvement and reconstruction work on the original length of M1 and its spur roads is £6·8 million. The improvement is designed to bring the motorway up to the higher, and more costly, standards of construction which experience has shown to be necessary.

Thorne (Bridge And Bypass)

115.

asked the Minister of Transport whether, in view of the cancellation of previous proposals for the improvement of the swing bridge at Thorne, she will reconsider the advisability of constructing a temporary bridge capable of taking two-way traffic.

Proposals for improvement of the bridge by converting the gates to power operation have not been cancelled. We are having a further examination made of the possibility of building a temporary bridge.

116.

asked the Minister of Transport whether she is aware that the continued postponement and delay in planning the Thorne bypass and the replacement of the narrow swing bridge at Thorne is causing considerable concern and disruption of housing plans; and whether she will give priority to the new survey and consequent work which is proposed.

We are fully aware of the urgent need to bypass Thorne, and the action referred to in the Answer given to my hon. Friend's Question on 15th February [Vol. 741, c. 114.]—will be pushed forward with all possible speed.

Winchester Bypass (Modernisation)

asked the Minister of Transport what plans she has for the modernisation to motorway standards of the Winchester Bypass.

The need to modernise the Winchester Bypass is recognised and a detailed investigation is now under way.

M5 (Cribbs Causeway To Avonmouth)

122.

asked the Minister of Transport if she will re-examine the plans to extend the M5 from Cribbs Causeway to Avonmouth with a view to completing the work before 1970.

Under a contract which has recently been let, work on this section of the M5 will start next month and should be completed in December, 1969. For engineering reasons this period cannot be reduced.

A2 Road, Gravesend (Traffic Signs)

asked the Minister of Transport what decision has been taken regarding traffic signs on the A2 between Marling Cross and Laughing Waters Restaurant in the constituency of Gravesend.

I am looking into the signing required for this stretch of the A2 trunk road and will write to my hon. Friend.

Bewdley Bridge (Traffic Flow)

asked the Minister of Transport what statistics are available of the average daily traffic flow over Bewdley Bridge; and whether these can be divided between commercial and private vehicles, and local and through traffic.

Counts taken over six weekly periods indicated an average daily traffic flow of 12,366 vehicles. No breakdown of this figure is available.

M45 Motorway (Reconstruction)

asked the Minister of Transport what measures she is taking to alleviate traffic hazards and delays during the forthcoming reconstruction of the M45 motorway.

The working methods adopted are designed to minimise the period of interference with traffic.The diversions at each end of the closed carriageway will be carefully signposted. Motorway traffic will be completely separated from the road works and construction traffic: two-way traffic on the carriageway in use will be kept in separate lanes by special flexible bollards.

Motorways (Classification)

asked the Minister of Transport which roads in the United Kingdom, not classified as motorways, are built to a standard classified as motorways in Europe; and with which European countries her Department makes this comparison.

Motorways in Europe are built to varying standards but all are restricted to certain classes of traffic. The only roads in the United Kingdom so restricted are the motorways constructed under the powers of the Highways Act, 1959. If it were not for these traffic restrictions certain lengths of our major roads would be equivalent to some of the motorways in the principal countries of Europe, but the variations in standards abroad make it impossible to prepare a schedule.

Trunk Roads

asked the Minister of Transport whether the figure of 370 miles of new or improved trunk road by 1970 in paragraph 21 of Chapter 12 of the National Plan is still the Government's firm target; and if she will divide this target figure showing separately the mileage for England, Scotland and Wales.

I would refer the hon. Member to paragraph 34 of the White Paper on Transport Policy [Cmnd. 3057] and to the Reply given to the hon. Member for Twickenham (Mr. Gresham Cooke), on 8th August, 1966.—[Vol 733, c. 282.]The 1966 forecast of 354 miles comprises approximately 250 miles in England, 72 miles (including 6 miles to be constructed as motorway) in Scotland and 32 miles (including 4½ miles to be constructed as motorway) in Wales.

Ports

Port Development (Container Facilities)

4.

asked the Minister of Transport whether she is yet in a position to make a further announcement about further container facilities at ports, in addition to those announced on 25th January.

64.

asked the Minister of Transport if she will now give approval for setting up a container ship terminal on the Clyde.

121.

asked the Minister of Transport, in view of the fact that a container ship is now to be built at Fairfield's in Govan, if she will given her approval to the proposal of the Clyde Port Authority for a container terminal at Greenock.

I would refer to the statement that I made at the end of Questions today.

Transport

Conurbations (Minister's Visits)

5.

asked the Minister of Transport, how many visits she has paid to conurbations in the last six months; with whom she has consulted outside her Department; and what steps were discussed.

I have visited four conurbations—Greater Manchester, Tyneside, Merseyside and West Midlands— and discussed with the major local authorities and public transport operators in each the form and scope which conurbation transport authorities might take.

Rapid Transit Systems

6.

asked the Minister of Transport when she expects to receive the Report of the Manchester Rapid Transit Study; and what assistance she will give to urban authorities proposing to set up rapid transit systems.

In the summer. The construction of approved rapid transit systems will be eligible for financial assistance under the powers I intend to take to implement the policy declared in paragraph 62 of the White Paper on Transport Policy (Cmnd. 3057).

Road Construction Units

38.

asked the Minister of Transport what progress is being made with the establishment of road construction units; and when she will make a further statement on implementing the recommendations of the Lofthouse Report.

As I announced when opening the debate on Transport Policy on 22nd February, the first of the new road construction units will come into operation on 3rd April in the North-West. We intend to set up two more units in the North-East and in the Midlands, by October of this year with the other three to follow not later than April, 1968.Many recommendations of the Lofthouse Report have already been applied but some, by their nature, need more time to come into full effect.

Public Transport, London

57.

asked the Minister of Transport what is the outcome of recent consultations between her Department, London Transport, the Greater London Council and London boroughs concerning the problems of public transport as they affect the outer London boroughs.

Discussions are continuing on problems of public transport in the Transport Co-ordinating Council for London, on which the boroughs are represented. The boroughs will be consulted in due course in the discussions about the reorganisation of transport in London, referred to during the transport debate on 22nd February.

Traffic Signs (Rate Support Grant)

65.

asked the Minister of Transport whether she will seek to make a special grant to those small local authorities whose ratepayers will otherwise bear an excessively heavy burden as a consequence of replacing existing traffic signs by the new system of Worboys signs by 31st December, 1967.

I think that the rate support grant is the most appropriate way of providing Exchequer assistance for expenditure on traffic signs.

Dorset

68.

asked the Minister of Transport what proposals she has for improved transport services in Dorset.

Proposals for helping public transport, set out in the White Paper on Transport Policy (Cmnd. 3057), apply to Dorset as to other parts of the country.

Transport Technology (Research)

69.

asked the Minister of Transport what expansion she is making in the organisation of research into transport technology; and what further steps she now proposes to take.

I am taking steps to increase the effort on research into transport technology. An outline programme of new research has been formulated, and the Ministry of Technology are co-operating with my Department in the arrangements for its organisation. As much use as possible will be made of the skills and facilities already existing in Government research establishments.

London (Transport Co-Ordinating Council's Studies)

70.

asked the Minister of Transport what are the principal items at present being considered by the Transport Co-ordinating Council for London; and to what extent the Council has made progress in co-ordinating operations and services.

A wide variety of studies and investigations are in hand, including the evaluation of proposals for major investment in public transport and the planning and development of London's major road networks. Specific items under study include possible links between central London and Heathrow airport; interchange arrangements at main-line stations and other passenger transfer points; car parking arrangements at commuter railway stations; and coordinated development of bus operation and traffic management measures.

Public Passenger Transport (Operational Co-Ordination)

71.

asked the Minister of Transport what reports on the present operational co-ordination of public passenger transport services her Department has received from British Railways, the London Transport Board, the Holding Company and other transport undertakings; and whether she will publish the recommendations of these bodies.

Following discussions initiated by my predecessor, my right hon. Friend the Member for Hamilton (Mr. Tom Fraser), the British Railways Board, the London Transport Board, the Transport Holding Company and the British Electric Traction Company Limited last year sent me three joint reports describing the arrangements for securing operational co-ordination of public passenger transport and indicating some possible improvements. The proposals in these reports will now be followed up by the regional passenger transport co-ordinating committees which I have recently appointed and I have arranged for them to have copies.The reports are very detailed and I do not consider that the expense of publishing them would be justified.

Parking Meters, Greater London (Revenue)

75.

asked the Minister of Transport what revenue has been earned from parking meters installed in the Greater London area up to the latest date for which this information is available; what balance was left over after payment of all expenses to provide and maintain off street car parks; and what proportion of this balance has been used for this purpose.

There is nothing I can add to the Answer I gave the hon. Member on 22nd June, 1966.—[Vol. 730, c. 79–80.] Later figures are still not available for the whole of Greater London.

Waltham Abbey

77.

asked the Minister of Transport what progress has been made towards a solution of the traffic problems of Waltham Abbey, particularly those which will arise as a result of the proposed Greater London Council residential development in the area.

Completion of improvement of High Bridge Street and implementation of a one-way traffic scheme are planned for this year.The measures which will best serve to divert through traffic from the Al21 in the centre of Waltham Abbey and make proper provision for increased local traffic are being actively considered.

Regional Councils

76.

asked the Minister of Transport how many meetings she has had with the chairmen of the regional planning councils since she took office; and what action is being taken by those councils to integrate and co-ordinate transport services in the regions.

Five, during which I have discussed with them, amongst other things, how transport can best be coordinated and integrated within their regions. The regional councils are advisory and not executive bodies, but as a result of these discussions I have recently set up, with their co-operation, regional passenger transport committees to secure better co-ordination of passenger services. These committees will take account of the results of the pilot studies which have been undertaken by the councils, at my request, into various aspects of the co-ordination of public transport.

Motor Vehicles (Exhaust Fumes)

79.

asked the Minister of Transport if she will now take steps, by legislation or otherwise, to ensure that all motor vehicles are so equipped as to reduce or prevent altogether the emission of dangerous exhaust fumes.

106.

asked the Minister of Transport if she is aware that measures are now being introduced in Western Germany and the United States of America to impose legal limits on the amounts of unburned hydrocarbons and carbon monoxide in the exhaust fumes of motor vehicles; and whether it is her intention to introduce similar measures in this country.

My right hon. Friend will make new regulations controlling exhaust fumes from motor vehicles if and when research now proceeding in this country under the aegis of the Economic Commission for Europe shows this to be necessary and practicable. The limits and methods of measurement adopted in the United States of America are not necessarily suitable for this country. I am not aware that West Germany has yet imposed, or settled, limits.

London Transport (One-Man Operated Buses)

80.

asked the Minister of Transport when she hopes to resume talks with the Transport and General Workers' Union on the subject of one man buses for London Transport.

Arrangements for London Transport's one-man operated buses are a matter of management for the Board, subject to operation being authorised by the Traffic Commissioners. About 400 such buses are already in use and further extension will be a matter for discussion between the Board and the Transport and General Workers' Union in the normal way. The Union are also represented on the Department's group which is studying generally the technical and operational problems of extending one-man operation.

Traffic Congestion, Greater London Area

88.

asked the Minister of Transport what consultations she has had with the Greater London Council about new traffic measures to deal with congestion; and what additional measures will be introduced in the next 12 months.

There are formal and informal talks from time to time between my right hon. Friend or officials and the Council on general traffic matters and on matters related to transport in London. Plans for specific measures to be introduced are for the Council to announce.

Motor Rallies

90.

asked the Minister of Transport what further steps she plans to take to control motor rallies in view of the continuing danger on roads and annoyance to the public.

We have no evidence that motor rallies cause danger on roads. As regards nuisance to the public there has been a sharp drop in the number of complaints received since the present control system came into operation in 1965. If there is any deterioration in the situation my right hon. Friend will consider whether further controls are needed.

Reflectorised Number Plates

93.

asked the Minister of Transport whether she will now make a statement on the experiment in respect of reflective number plates carried out by her Department.

The Report on this experiment by the Road Research Laboratory shows that reflectorised number plates can be expected to have an effective life of several years and might improve safety at night by making unlit vehicles more conspicuous. The possible use of such number plates is being studied by the Working Party on Vehicle Lighting whose members have had copies of this Report.

Safety Of Vehicles

97.

asked the Minister of Transport what regulations she has issued to improve the safety of vehicles since she took office; and what further safety measures she has under consideration.

:A. My right hon. Friend has made the following regulations to improve the safety of vehicles:Amendments to Road Vehicles Lighting Regulations on red rear reflectors, S.I. 1966 No. 30;Amendment to the Construction and Use Regulations banning the use of re-cut tyres, S.I. 1966 No. 724;The Motor Vehicles (Tests) (Extension) Order 1966, to reduce the age limit of vehicles subject to the test to four years and subsequently three years, S.I. 1966 No. 973;Amendments to the Construction and Use Regulations on Brakes, S.I. 1966 No. 1288:

  • (a) Braking efficiencies for new and existing goods vehicles laid down;
  • (b) Permission of split-braking system;
  • (c) Permission of use of "spring" brakes;
  • (d) Improved brakes required on trailers;
  • Amendment to the Construction and Use Regulations requiring new goods vehicles to be fitted with plates showing maximum laden weight at which vehicle is fit for use;

    Amendment to the Construction and Use Regulations requiring the fitting of seat belts on motor cars and light goods vehicles registered after 1st April, 1967, S.I. 1966 No. 1288;

    Traffic Signs (Temporary Obstructions) Regulation permitting the use by motorists of the red triangle advance warning, S.I. 1966 No. 1474.

    B. She has also circulated draft regulations dealing with the following subjects:

    Limitation of gross weight of vehicles fitted with "over-run" brakes,

    Maintenance of tyres,

    Compulsory fitting of headlamps,

    Improved standard of cycle rear lamps,

    Improved windscreen wipers.

    Requirement that new vehicles should have windscreen washers,

    Improved safety standards for public service vehicles covering:

  • (a) Electric circuits,
  • (b) Number, spacing and widths of accesses,
  • (c) Handrails and gangways and
  • (d) Certain other amendments to improve stability of buses and to permit the lowering of step heights.
  • C. Working parties have been considering the following proposals:

    Regulations on the Use of Headlamps,

    Regulations to improve the standard of rear reflectors,

    Regulations requiring the fitting of stop lamps,

    Regulations requiring the fitting of direction indicators,

    The improvement of the lighting and marking of the rear of vehicles, particularly goods vehicles,

    The improvement of side marking of vehicles,

    The compulsory fitting of a device to operate all direction indicators simultaneously as an emergency warning signal,

    The use of reflectorised number plates,

    The use of distinctive lights on vehicles with very wide loads,

    The improved marking of projecting loads,

    The prohibition of the carriage of passengers in trailers,

    Safety seats,

    Safe frames for internal mirrors,

    Maintenance and number of driving mirrors,

    Rear bumpers for larger goods vehicles to prevent under-running by small cars,

    Side guard rails for long vehicles to reduce the danger of cyclists and pedestrians falling under the rear wheels,

    Inspection holes on brake drums to see extent of wear on the brake linings.

    D. In due course, we hope that the working parties will review the whole of the Construction and Use and the Lighting Regulations taking into account what is being done in Europe and in the United States. Some work has already been done within the Ministry and will be continued, either through the working parties or other appropriate means on the following more important items:

    Increasing the scope of the vehicle test to include tyres corrosion, windscreen wipers, windscreen washers, direction indicators, stop lamps and seat belt anchorage points.

    Further lowering of the age limit of vehicles subject to the test,

    The improvement of headlamp aiming,

    The position and characteristics of lamps on the front of vehicles.

    The specification of standards and approved marks for all items of lighting equipment,

    Dangerous external projections on vehicles,

    Internal protection for vehicle passengers,

    Anti-burst locks for vehicle doors,

    The layout of controls of motorcycles,

    The standardisation of the layout of vehicle controls,

    The ventilation of vehicles,

    Headboards of goods vehicles,

    Better mudguarding of goods vehicles,

    Safe anchorages for seats,

    Agreeing a British Standard for testing and quality of brake lining materials,

    Braking standards of efficiency for locomotives and tractors,

    Braking standards for "Special Type" vehicles,

    The suitability of tyres for loads to be carried.

    The above lists do not cover the special requirements of agricultural vehicles and machinery when they are used on roads, nor those proposals for the safety of goods vehicles, including those related to their testing, plating and type approval which derive from the Road Safety Bill.

    Vehicle Testers (Withdrawal Of Authorisations)

    98.

    asked the Minister of Transport how many garages have been struck off the list of authorised vehicle testers on proof of inadequate testing.

    363 authorisations have been withdrawn for the improper issue of test certificates.

    Rural Norfolk

    101.

    asked the Minister of Transport what integrated transport schemes for rural Norfolk have been submitted for her consideration.

    None, but it will be the task of the Regional Passenger Transport Co-ordinating Committee for East Anglia, which my right hon. Friend has recently appointed, to advise on the better coordination of transport facilities in all parts of the region.

    Property Damage (Motorists' Liabilities)

    104.

    asked the Minister of Transport what representation she has received from the National Farmers' Union urging compulsory insurance cover against damage by vehicles to all classes of property in addition to the present requirements of cover for damage to persons; and whether she will introduce legislation to this end.

    Since December, 1965, the National Farmers' Union has twice suggested that motorists' liabilities for property damage should be made compulsory, claiming that farmers experience difficulty in recovering the costs of damage to farm walls and fences. But we have no evidence of particular hardship in this connection, and do not propose to introduce legislation.

    Traffic Signs (Shrewsbury)

    111.

    asked the Minister of Transport why she has rejected the request of Shrewsbury Borough Council that traffic signs of the Warboys design should be of smaller dimensions when used in the centre of the town where the streets are exceptionally narrow.

    Agreement has been reached with the Borough Engineer of Shrewsbury for the smallest prescribed directional signs to be erected. As far as we are aware the Borough Council are satisfied.

    West Midland (Conurbation Transport Authority)

    112.

    asked the Minister of Transport what progress has been made with the proposal for the setting up of a conurbation transport authority in the West Midlands.

    I had very useful discussions in the West Midlands on 19th and 20th January. I am now working out detailed proposals for conurbation transport authorities to be included in the Transport Bill. My intention is to seek powers which would enable me to set up such authorities for the West Midlands and other suitable areas.

    Tyneside (Conurbation Transport Authority)

    114.

    asked the Minister of Transport on what date it is intended to set up the Tyneside Conurbation Transport Authority, in view of the fact that the Northern Region Transport Co-ordination Committee has no Tyneside representative on it.

    As soon as possible after I secure the necessary powers. As regards appointments to the Co-ordinating Committee, the hon. Lady may like to know that it is my intention to include someone from Tyneside.

    Lorries, Bristol Area (Spot Checks)

    117.

    asked the Minister of Transport whether she will increase the number of spot-checks on lorries in the Bristol area, paying particular attention to the exit and entry trunk roads.

    Spot checks have been carried out on lorries on trunk roads in the Bristol area and further checks will be made from time to time. It would be difficult to increase the number of checks in this area without reducing the number elsewhere.

    118.

    asked the Minister of Transport whether she will instruct her Bristol-based officials to carry out spotchecks on lorries on the hilly sections of trunk roads to and from the city.

    Special smoke checks are already carried out on the hilly sections of trunk roads to and from the city and these will continue. Vehicles are not stopped for inspection on hills because of the danger to other road users and to the examiners.

    Traffic Signals (Computer Installations)

    119.

    asked the Minister of Transport what progress has been made towards implementing the suggestion made in 1963 that the traffic signals in major cities should be controlled by computer.

    Two experimental computer installations will be commissioned shortly, one in West London and the other in Glasgow.They will provide results on which policy for future use of computers can be determined.

    Vehicles (Insurance Write Off)

    120.

    asked the Minister of Transport what progress has been made on discussions with insurers whereby registration books may be sent to taxation authorities for over-stamping to indicate that a vehicle has been subject to insurance write off.

    Final details are now being worked out and I hope to make an announcement soon after Easter.

    Crosville Bus Service, North Wales

    125.

    asked the Minister of Transport whether, in view of the fact that the nationalised transport service in London is being subsidised, she will consider subsidising the Crosville bus service in North Wales which is a nationalised undertaking.

    Estate Cars (Commercial Travellers)

    asked the Minister of Transport whether she will introduce legislation to ensure that commercial travellers using estate cars to carry hand samples are not charged excise duty at the goods rate.

    No. We see no reason for a special concession for commercial travellers.

    Cornwall (Minister's Visit)

    asked the Minister of Transport what plans she has to make an official visit to Cornwall in 1967.

    None at present. But I hope to find an early opportunity to pay another visit to the South-West.

    Five Lanes Bypass (Petrol Filling Station)

    123.

    asked the Minister of Transport (1) what evidence she has that there is no demand for an additional filling station on the site proposed at the Five Lanes bypass;(2) why she directed the Cornwall County Council, as planning authority, to refuse Mr. L. Hooper, of Five Lanes Garage, Altarnun, Launceston, Cornwall, permission to resite his garage on a site adjacent to the Five Lanes bypass.

    The Five Lanes Diversion form part of the Trunk Road A30. There is one petrol filling station about one mile to the east of Mr. Hooper's site on the same side of the road, one about 5¼ miles to the west on the same side of the road and another on the other side of the road about one mile to the west; three stations in less than 7 miles. This seems to be adequate to meet requirements. This is a fast road where an additional access would be a potential source of danger.

    Railways

    Road Vehicles (Freightliner Traffic)

    51.

    asked the Minister of Transport whether it is her policy to increase the size of the transport fleet of the British Railways to a level which would make them independent of private hauliers for the servicing of line-train terminals.

    The Railways Board's policy, with which I am in full agreement, is to provide sufficient road vehicles to deal with the volume of freightliner traffic requiring collection and delivery by its own fleet.

    Railway Dock, Brentford

    56.

    asked the Minister of Transport if she will make a statement on her decision on the projected closure of Brentford Dock.

    The railway dock at Brentford was closed by the British Railways Board on 31st December 1964. My right hon. Friend's consent was not required.

    Closures (Marplan Survey)

    58.

    asked the Minister of Transport what was the cost to public funds of making the Marplan study on railway closures.

    63.

    asked the Minister of Transport when she expects to be able to publish the Marplan survey on railway closures.

    67.

    asked the Minister of Transport on what date she received the report from Marplan on railway closures.

    72.

    asked the Minister of Transport why she has not yet published the Marplan survey on railway closures.

    The basic information collected by Marplan was received in October, 1965. The cost was £9,100. The Department has completed the necessary detailed statistical analysis and summary and a Report will be published shortly.

    Ministers' Visits

    59.

    asked the Minister of Transport how many, and what, official visits she and her Parliamentary Secretaries propose to make in the next six months in regard to her railway responsibilities.

    On present plans my right hon. Friend will be making three such visits in the course of the next six months.On 31st March she will open the new design centre at the British Rail Workshops, Derby. On 9th June she will visit the latest stage of the suburban electrification scheme at Glasgow; on 10th July she will attend the inauguration of the new electric service between London and Bournemouth.I have the following engagements during the same period: 10th March, tour of British Rail in Devon and Cornwall followed by meeting with railway trade unions in Exeter; 15th April, meeting with Manchester District Council of the National Union of Railwaymen; 22nd April, weekend school organised by the North East London Divisional Council of the Transport Salaried Staffs Association at Felixstowe.These are the firm engagements which my right hon. Friend and I have at present. There will doubtless be others.

    110.

    asked the Minister of Transport how many official visits she has made to railway centres; and how many times she has inspected railway workshops in the last six months.

    My right hon. Friend has made no visits to railway workshops during this period, but she has made the following railway visits since becoming Minister of Transport:

    22nd April, 1966: Inspection of London Midland electrification at Crewe and Manchester.
    July, 1966: Visit to freightliner terminal at York Way, London.
    25th November, 1966: Leeds City Station which has just been rebuilt.
    20th January, 1967: New Street Station, Birmingham which is being rebuilt.
    During the same period, I have fulfilled the following engagements relating to my special responsibility for railway matters:

    4th June 1966: Attended annual dinner of the Permanent Way Institute at Harrogate.
    20th June, 1966: Made tour of North Eastern Region of British Railways.
    4th July, 1966: Made tour of Scottish Region of British Railways.
    11th July, 1966: Made tour of Eastern Region of British Railways.
    15th July, 1966: Made tour of London Midland (North) Region of British Railways.
    29th July, 1966: Made tour of Western Region of British Railways.
    17th September, 1966: Meeting with North West Council of the National Union of Railwaymen.
    29th September, 1966: Meeting with the Nottingham and other District Councils of the N.U.R.
    30 September, 1966: Made tour of London Midland Region (South) of British Railways.
    5th October, 1966: Meeting with the Westminster Branch of the Transport Salaried Staffs Association.
    12th October, 1966: Meeting with the Midland District Council of the N.U.R.
    24th February, 1967: Visit to the railway workshops at Eastleigh.
    28th February, 1967: Meeting with North West London District Council of the N.U.R.
    6th March, 1967: Attended opening of Birmingham (New Street) Station.

    London Underground Network

    81.

    asked the Minister of Transport if she will make a statement about Government plans for the extension of the existing underground railway network in London.

    No general statement about long-term plans for the Underground network will be possible for some time. London Transport, who are responsible for initiating schemes, have plans for possible extensions at various stages of preparation. Any which are justified before overall plans are ready will be announced when they are approved.

    Victoria Underground (Extension)

    73.

    asked the Minister of Transport whether she has now reached a decision about extending the Victoria underground to Brixton.

    74.

    asked the Minister of Transport if she is now able to say whether the Victoria Line will be extended to Brixton.

    I have at present nothing to add to the Answer given to my hon. and Gallant Friend the Member for Brixton (Mr. Lipton) on 25th January, 1967.—[Vol. 739, c. 1466–7.]

    Freightliner Terminals

    83.

    asked the Minister of Transport how many manufacturers have indicated a wish to convey their own goods to and from the proposed open railway terminals; and whether she has contacted private manufacturers to find out how many would use the liner train service if provided throughout by the Railways Board.

    Manufacturers have been at liberty since freightliner services started to convey their own goods to and from the terminals or to use the collection and delivery services provided by the Railways Board. Contact with prospective customers is a matter for the Board.

    Main-Line Trains (Telephones)

    85.

    asked the Minister of Transport whether she will give a general direction to British Railways to seek to install telephones on main line trains.

    No. The provision of facilities of this kind is a matter for the Railways Board, who have carried out experimental tests to investigate the considerable practical problems involved.

    Track And Signalling Maintenance

    102.

    asked the Minister of Transport what estimate she has made of the amount by which the £130 million loss forecast for British Railways during 1967 would be reduced if the maintenance of the track and signalling system was financed from the same sources as the roads.

    The cost to the Railways Board of track and signalling maintenance is in the region of £70 million per annum including amortisation, but excluding interest and cost of signalling operation. The maintenance of roads is, of course, financed from general revenues to which road users contribute in the form of fuel tax and vehicle excise duties.

    Closures

    103.

    asked the Minister of Transport how many rail closures have taken place in the two years to the end of December, 1966; and what financial saving this represents, taking into account the cost or estimated cost of providing alternative transport.

    In 1965 and 1966, 110 passenger services were withdrawn or modified and 29 individual passenger stations were closed. This represents a net annual financial improvement of about £7½ million.

    Mid-Wales

    105.

    asked the Minister of Transport if she will give a general direction, in the public interest, to British Railways to run more goods and passenger trains through Mid-Wales.

    Birmingham, Wolverhampton And Stratford-On-Avon

    113.

    asked the Minister of Transport whether she has yet made any decision in regard to the Railway Board's proposals to withdraw passenger services between Birmingham, Snow Hill, and Wolverhampton low level, and Birmingham, Snow Hill, and Stratford-on-Avon.

    No, my right hon. Friend is now studying these important proposals.

    Freightliner Trains (Charges)

    126.

    asked the Minister of Transport what degree of subsidy is included in the charges made by British Railways for transport by freightliner trains.

    None. The freightliner investment so far authorised was approved on the basis that charges will cover costs and make a contribution towards reducing the Railways Board's deficit.

    Board Of Trade

    Rhodesian Tobacco

    127.

    asked the President of the Board of Trade what plans Her Majesty's Government has for replacing imports of Rhodesian tobacco with supplies from elsewhere.

    Manufacturers are free to import from any source other than Rhodesia and have not expressed any fear of being unable to obtain adequate supplies.

    Malta (Textiles)

    128.

    asked the President of the Board of Trade how the decrease in textile imports from Malta in 1966 compares with changes in the level of such imports from other Commonwealth countries; and what consideration has been given to an increase in order to assist Malta in her present difficulties.

    Maltese exports of cotton textiles, in common with those of most other Commonwealth countries, are included in the global quota. Within this quota she had done better than some and worse than others, the position varying as between different types of goods.

    Employment (Wales)

    129.

    asked the President of the Board of Trade whether he will take additional steps now needed to create employment in Wales.

    I would refer the hon. Member to my reply to my hon. Friend the Member for Cardigan (Mr. Elystan Morgan) on Tuesday, 14th February: and I am sending the hon. Member a copy of a statement I made in Swansea on 24th February.—[Vol. 741, c. 86.]

    Fraudulent Misrepresentation

    130.

    asked the President of the Board of Trade whether, in view of several recent convictions on charges of fraudulent misrepresentation, he will seek power to protect investors who are being currently deceived by this practice.

    If my hon. Friend will let me know what kind of fraudulent misrepresentation he has in mind, I will consider whether I need further power to deal with it.

    Fishing Vessels (Safety Measures)

    131.

    asked the President of the Board of Trade what progress he is making in revising Section 4 of the Merchant Shipping Act, 1894 dealing with safety at sea of fishing vessels; and with what other Government Departments he is co-operating.

    A memorandum about revision of Part IV and other provisions of the Merchant Shipping Acts affecting the conditions of service at sea of fishermen has been circulated to some 30 organisations and unions in the fishing industry. To date 18 have commented upon it, and replies from the other organisations are awaited. The Board is also in consultation with the fisheries departments and with the Ministry of Labour.

    Trawler "St Finbarr" (Inquiry)

    132.

    asked the President of the Board of Trade when he expects that the preliminary inquiry by the two assessors of his Department regarding the fire upon the Hull freezer trawler "St. Finbarr" which occurred on Christmas morning 1966 is likely to be completed.

    I have now received the report of the preliminary inquiry into the loss of the "St. Finbarr" and have decided that a public formal investigation should be held.

    Hospital Patient, Willerby

    133.

    asked the President of the Board of Trade what inquiries he is making into the circumstances whereby a man officially reported missing from the De la Pole Hospital, Willerby, spent more than three weeks aboard the Hull trawler "St. Amant"; and whether he will make a statement.

    I have made inquiries and understand that the man in question, who had previous fishing experience, presented himself for employment and was accepted in the normal manner. It was not known that he was missing from the hospital, to which he returned at the end of the voyage. I will write to my hon. Friend more fully about this case.

    Commonwealth Trade

    134.

    asked the President of the Board of Trade whether he will publish in HANSARD a table showing particulars of British trade with the Commonwealth available to him on 23rd February.

    Statistics of trade with the Commonwealth, in total and with individual Commonwealth countries, are given on pages 279–282 of the Overseas Trade Accounts each month. I am sending my hon. Friend a copy of a statement I made to the Commonwealth Producers Organisation on 23rd February.

    Boac (Concessionary Fares)

    135.

    asked the President of the Board of Trade whether he is aware that the British Overseas Airways Corporation have refused to extend to civil servants of the Crown serving in the Middle East the concessions in respect to fares which they grant to members of Her Majesty's armed forces serving alongside them in the same stations; and what action he propses to take to protect the interests of these officers.

    Yes. The extent of fares concessions granted by B.O.A.C. to members of the armed forces or others is governed by their commercial judgment. I do not propose to intervene.

    Portuguese Cotton Industry

    136.

    asked the President of the Board of Trade whether he is aware that imports of cotton piece goods from Portugal in the month of January, 1967 were equal to 30 per cent. of cotton piece goods imports from Portugal for the whole of 1966, and equal to 66 per cent. of the total for the whole of 1965; and whether he will hasten action to deal with this damaging situation.

    I know that Portuguese imports rose sharply after the removal of the Temporary Import Charge. But following discussions which I have recently had with the Portuguese, I have every reason to expect that the rate of Portuguese exports to this country this year will be substantially below that of recent months.

    asked the President of the Board of Trade if he is aware that the Portuguese cotton industry is placed in an unfairly advantageous position in competition with Lancashire by its exemption from taxes and the granting of other incentives under a law passed in 1963, by large imports of raw cotton from Mozambique at under world prices, and by the low wages paid to Portuguese cotton workers; and if he will make a further statement on the results of his representations to Portugal on this matter.

    The Portuguese authorities state that they operate a price equalisation system to ensure that exporters of cotton textiles do not pay more than world market prices for raw cotton from the Portuguese overseas territories. An E.F.T.A. Working Party on Government Aids is studying this.

    Industrial Development Certificates

    asked the President of the Board of Trade what industrial development certificates have been issued in the Bristol, North-West, constituency in the last five years.

    In the employment exchange areas approximating most nearly to the constituency—Bristol, Avonmouth and Westbury-on-Trym—105 for a total floor space of 2·6 million square feet.

    Insurance Companies (Information)

    asked the President of the Board of Trade whether he will seek powers to require insurance companies to register details of their reinsurance arrangements and also proof of their net free assets and investments.

    The Companies Bill would enable the Board of Trade to require from insurance companies information on these matters.

    Textile Imports

    137.

    asked the President of the Board of Trade if he is aware that imports of cotton and man-made fibre cloths in January, 1967, were the highest on record; and if he will hasten steps to establish a textiles imports commission or committee.

    The announcement in May last year of the removal of the Temporary Import Charge in November resulted in a steady decline in textile imports up to that month and a rise thereafter. Imports in the three months to January, 1967, were in fact nearly 40 million square yards less than in the first three months of 1966.

    Agriculture, Fisheries And Food

    Fish Stock Records

    138.

    asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food if he will state his plans as a result of the recommendations in the Fish Stock Record for 1965 by the scientists of the Marine Laboratory, Aberdeen, and the Fisheries Laboratory, Lowestoft; and what effect those plans have had on the British North Sea fishing industry.

    The Annual Fish Stock Records are published to assist the fishermen in planning their operations for themselves.

    Nine Elms Market

    141.

    asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food what future pattern of handling, transportation and distribution is to be made at the proposed new market site at Nine Elms.

    This will depend on consultations the Covent Garden Market Authority is now having with the interested parties both about internal arrangements within the market and facilities for the arrival and departure of produce by road, rail and river. If my hon. Friend has any particular point in mind and will write to me, I will consider what information I can helpfully give him at this stage.

    Fisheries Protection Squadron

    139.

    asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food what consultations he has had with the Defence Department over the disbanding of the Fisheries Protection Squadron; and what representations he has received from the fishing industry.

    140.

    asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food if he will make a statement about the changes in the command structure of the Fisheries Protection Squadron; and if he will give an assurance that the fishing fleets in the North Sea will continue to have as full protection from foreign encroachments as heretofore.

    asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food what representations he has received from the British Trawlers' Federation on the abolition of the Fishery Protection Squadron; and what reply has been sent.

    I understand that the change which has been made in the command structure has been to place under the command of the C.-in-C. Home Fleet the frigates which are engaged in distant water patrols. The Captain Fishery Protection will continue to be responsible for the overall planning and co-ordination of fishery protection operations; and the coastal minesweepers which are responsible for fishery protection round the United Kingdom remain under his administrative control.No change is being made in the level of protection either in home or distant waters.Our Department was consulted before these organisational changes were made.The British Trawlers' Federation asked for a clarification of certain Press reports, and I have placed in the Library a copy of the reply which has been sent to them.

    Selective Employment Tax

    asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food, in view of the fact that agricultural contractors involved in vaccinating, debeaking and caponising of poultry and personally involved in artificial insemination of farm stock or engaged in the feedingstuffs industry are eligible for refunds under the Selective Employment Tax, why an application on behalf of veterinary surgeons engaged in general farm practice for a similar refund was refused; and what steps he proposes to take to arrange a further review of this problem.

    Section 2(3,e) of the Selective Employment Payments Act, 1966, provides that only those agricultural activities which fall under Minimum List Heading 001 of the Standard Industrial Classification, as amended by the definition of agriculture in the Act, are eligible for refund of the tax. Veterinary surgeons fall under the Minimum List Heading 879/4 and are not, therefore, eligible.Since there seem to be no grounds for treating veterinary surgeons differently from other professional services included under Order XXII of the Standard Industrial Classification no purpose would be served by a review.

    Free School Milk

    asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food if he will state for the latest year for which figures are available the number of gallons of liquid milk accounted for by free school milk, and the farm-gate value of this to British farmers; what proportion this represents of total milk production in the United Kingdom; what proportion this represents of milk sold for liquid consumption; and what proportion the farm-gate value of this is of the total farm-gate value of all milk produced by British farmers.

    During the calendar year 1966 free school milk in the United Kingdom accounted for 56 million gallons of milk with a farm-gate value of £9 million; this represented about 2¼ per cent. of the quantity and farm-gate value of total milk production, and about 3½ per cent. of milk sold for liquid consumption.

    Foot-And-Mouth Disease (Northumberland)

    asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food whether, in view of the independent report on the foot-and-mouth problems in the county of Northumberland, a copy of which has been sent to him by the hon. Member for Tynemouth, he will reconsider his decision not to have an independent inquiry.

    Farm Price Review

    asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food when he expects to announce details of the Annual Farm Price Review.

    I hope to be able to publish the Annual Review White Paper on Wednesday, 15th March.

    Scotland

    House Building

    142.

    asked the Secretary of State for Scotland to what extent his plans for house building in Scotland will require alteration on account of the extra burden placed on the construction industry in having to provide special accommodation for military personnel brought back from German, Malta and other overseas bases; and whether he will give an estimate of the likely reduction in each of the next three years in the number of houses to be made available to the public.

    No alteration will be required. The extra burden on the industry will be very small.

    Strath Of Kildonan (Development)

    asked the Secretary of State for Scotland if, in view of the stated plans of the Highlands and Islands Development Board for the integrated development of the Strath of Kildonan in Sutherland, he will give a direction to the Board to intervene to prevent the piecemeal afforestation of arable land by private owners, particularly on the estate of Achentoul, in advance of the Board's completion of a proper land use survey of the whole Strath.

    I know that the Board is engaged on a study of the possibilities of comprehensive land development, including forestry, in the Strath of Kildonan. The Board is aware of the plantings already taking place or projected, by the Forestry Commission and private owners, and I am assured by the Board that it does not regard these as inconsistent with any plans it may have for the area. In these circumstances I should prefer to await the submission of formal proposals by the Board.

    Certificate Of Education

    asked the Secretary of State for Scotland (1) if he will state the number of pupils who passed O grade examinations in the years 1963, 1964, 1965 and 1966, listing the number they passed in; and if he will list the education authorities' numbers and passes;(2) if he will state the number of pupils presented for the O grade examination in years 1963, 1964, 1965 and 1966; and if he will list the county education authorities and their numbers;(3) if he will state the number of pupils presented for the Higher Certificate examinations in the years 1963, 1964, 1965

    Ordinary GradeHigher Grade
    YearCandidates PresentedCertificates AwardedCandidates PresentedCertificates Awarded
    196333,86230,27621,46718,336
    196437,87233,25926,32021,902
    196539,13133,99329,50224,744
    196642,48336,43331,35026,075
    These figures include candidates from schools and further education establishments, and external candidates.

    Ministry Of Defence

    Military Ombudsman

    144.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence whether he will seek the establishment of a military ombudsman with power to investigate personal cases where matters of national security are not involved.

    Thailand (British Troops)

    143.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence how many British troops are now stationed in Thailand; what is the nature of their duties in that country; to what regiments these troops belong; and what is the cost of maintaining and financing them there.

    About 400, of whom the majority are Royal Engineers. As my hon. Friend the Minister of State for Foreign Affairs said in answer to a Question on 20th December, the Royal Engineers will be helping the Thai authorities throughout 1967 with a pro- and 1966; and if he will list the county education authorities and their numbers;(4) if he will state the number of pupils who gained Higher Certificates in the years 1963, 1964, 1965 and 1966; and if he will list the county education authorities and their numbers.

    The table below shows the total number of candidates presented and of candidates who were awarded certificates (in one or more subjects) at the Ordinary and Higher grades of the Scottish Certificate of Education in the years 1963 to 1966. The figures of presentations and certificates awarded for each education authority's area are not readily available and the high cost of preparing them would not, in my view, be justified.gramme of road building. There is also a Royal Signals Team and some individuals on attached duty. The full cost of these Service men is about £750,000 a year.—[Vol. 738, col.

    276.]

    Training Areas

    145.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence what plans he has for the provision of training areas in the constituency of Hexham; and what consultation he has had, or proposes to have, with local or other authorities.

    Existing training areas are sufficient for the Army's present needs. If it becomes necessary to consider additional areas, possibly in connection with the return of troops from Germany, the local authorities will be consulted in the normal way.

    Naval Construction Work

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence (1) what is the total estimated tonnage of naval construction work expected to be undertaken in United Kingdom shipyards during 1967;(2) what was the total tonnage of naval construction work undertaken in United Kingdom shipyards during 1963, 1964, 1965 and 1966, respectively, together with the geographical locations of the shipyards commissioned to undertake this work, showing England, Scotland and Northern Ireland separately.

    1963196419651966
    England and Wales72,00037,00010,00014,500
    Scotland14,50012,00010,000
    Northern Ireland14,5002,500
    Total101,00049,00020,00017,000

    Naval Repair Work

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence (1) what is the total estimated value of naval repair work expected to be undertaken in United Kingdom shipyards during 1967;(2) what was the total value of naval repair work undertaken in United Kingdom shipyards during 1963, 1964, 1965 and 1966, respectively, together with the

    1963–641964–651965–661966–67
    £m. approx.£m. approx.£m. approx.£m. approx.
    England and Wales2·331·681·861·92
    Scotland·60·31·56·43
    Northern Ireland·05·05·04·03
    Total £m.2·982·042·462·38

    Private Tubby

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence why the hospital authorities who had informed Private Tubby's relatives that his mother was dying were not approached for up-to-date information rather than the doctor who had knowledge of the case.

    It is the normal practice to rely on the advice of the family doctor in cases where compassionate leave is sought on medical grounds.

    Home Department

    Driving Offences

    146.

    asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department how many persons were convicted of driving whilst uninsured and whilst disqualified and without a driving licence, respectively, in 1964, 1965 and 1966.

    We plan to place orders in 1967 to a total of about 30,000 tons. In 1963–66 orders were placed as follows:geographical locations of the shipyards commissioned to undertake this work, showing England, Scotland and Northern Ireland separately.

    The value of this work in the financial year 1967–68 is expected to be about £4 million. The value in preceding years, by geographical location, is:land and Wales relate to convictions, not to persons convicted.Convictions in 1964 for using a motor vehicle uninsured against third party risks numbered 81,921; for driving while disqualified, 7,128; and for driving without a licence, 42,811. The comparable figures for 1965 were 90,779, 8,545 and 47,219. The figures for 1966 are not yet available.

    Long Lartin Prison

    asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department what are the location and detailed specification for Long Lartin Prison at Honeybourne in the Parliamentary constituency of South Worcestershire; what accommodation is to be provided for prisoners and staff; whether Long Lartin will be a maximum security prison; and if he will make a statement.

    The prison will be built on the site of the former War Department storage depot which lies between Honeybourne and South Littleton, four miles east of Evesham. It is being designed to house 492 adult male prisoners in category B, that is those requiring the next highest degree of security to that provided by the new maximum security prison on the Isle of Wight. It is at present planned to provide 120 houses for married staff and accommodation for bachelors.

    Fire Losses

    asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department if he will give the amount of losses by fire, calculated so as to include loss of production in addition to actual damage, in the years 1956 and 1966, respectively, expressed both in absolute terms and as a percentage of the gross national product.

    The only available statistics are the estimates of annual fire losses published by the British Insurance Association, which relate to direct losses caused by fire and do not include consequential losses due to loss of production or other causes. The estimated United Kingdom fire losses were about £27·5 million in 1956 and about £82·3 million in 1966. The estimated losses for 1956 represented 0·15 per cent. of the gross national product for that year. The corresponding percentage for 1966 is not available, but the losses for 1965 represented 0·24 per cent. of the gross national product for that year.

    Fire Service

    asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department if he is satisfied that the proposed building of two separate fire service headquarters in the city of Chester, one for the county and one for the city, is in the interests of economy and efficiency in the service; and if he will make a statement.

    The provision of fire brigade premises is primarily a matter for the fire authorities concerned. The existing administrative headquarters of the Cheshire Fire Brigade are being adapted to improve conditions and provide more office space. The existing fire station and headquarters of the Chester Fire Brigade are unsuitable for present day needs and are to be replaced. Regardless of the pattern of organisation of the fire service now or in the future, there is a need for a new operational fire station in Chester.

    asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department if he will take steps to amalgamate fire services in those areas in which a multiplicity of services is causing unnecessary and wasteful duplication.

    The Departmental Committee on the Fire Service is considering among other matters, the principles which should govern the organisation of the fire service in Great Britain and will make its views known to the Royal Commission on Local Government. I propose to await the outcome of this review.

    Fire Casualties

    asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department if he will state the number of deaths and serious injuries caused directly or indirectly by fire in the years 1956 and 1966, respectively.

    Statistics compiled by the Registrar General show that in England and Wales there were 672 deaths from fire in 1956, and 793 in 1965, the latest year for which figures are available. The only records of injuries in fires are those obtained from the reports of fire brigades and relate to non-fatal casualties in fires attended by brigades. In 1956 fire brigades in England and Wales reported 3,340 non-fatal casualties (excluding those requiring first-aid treatment only), and in 1965, 4,003.

    Approved Schools

    asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department whether he will ensure that there are people of relevant qualifications and also representatives of local or central government among the managers of every approved school.

    Under Section 19 of the Criminal Justice Act, 1961, I have power to make orders regulating the constitution and proceedings of the managers of any approved school (other than those provided by local authorities) or to appoint additional managers. I should not hesitate to exercise these powers in relation to a particular school if that seemed necessary or desirable, but in view of the proposals outlined in the White Paper "The Child, the Family and the Young Offender" (Cmnd. 2742) for bringing approved schools into a closer relationship with local authorities I do not propose to exercise them generally at present. Many voluntary approved schools now have representatives of local authorities or person connected with them on their managing bodies.

    asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department how many of the present staff of approved schools have any professional qualifications; how many are trained teachers; how many have had any training qualifying them to work with children; and how many have any qualifications to deal with psychiatrically disturbed children.

    I regret that precise information could not be obtained without a disproportionate amount of work. In June, 1964, 425 teachers were qualified and 20 unqualified. It is thought that at present nearly all teachers and about two-thirds of the housemasters in boys' approved schools are qualified but that few other staff have professional qualifications. A few teachers have qualifications to deal with psychiatrically disturbed children, and most schools have regular visits from consultant psychiatrists.

    asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department how many staff at approved schools are authorised to use corporal punishment; what is the total number of times it was used in all approved schools in the last convenient period of 12 months; what is the maximum number of times it has been used upon any one child during his stay at a school and in any period of 12 months; and whether he will send a copy of the conclusions of the Plowden Committee on this matter to the staff at all approved schools.

    In each of the 123 approved schools in England and Wales corporal punishment, under strictly prescribed conditions, may be inflicted only by the head (or the person appointed to deputise in his—or her—absence) or by a member of the staff in his presence and under his direction. Managers may also authorise a senior teacher to give up to two strokes of the cane on each hand for minor misbehaviour by younger children in the classroom, but this is seldom done.In 1966 corporal punishment was used on 2,968 occasions, excluding its occasional use in the classroom. During the year four boys were each caned six times. It is not possible, without considerable additional work, to ascertain the number of occasions on which a particular boy may have been caned during the whole of his stay in an approved school.The recommendations of the Plowden Committee have been widely reported in the educational Press and I have no doubt they will have been noted by approved school managers and staff.

    asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department how many complaints he has received from managers, parents, children, and staff, respectively, concerning approved schools, in the last convenient period of 12 months.

    All complaints received about approved schools are carefully investigated, but no statistics are kept.

    Fire Damage (Publicity)

    asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department what steps are taken to direct public attention to the damage caused to the economy by the effects of fire in industrial and commercial premises.

    Suitable publicity on fire prevention in industry and commerce is arranged from time to time by central and local government, but the main effort is, by agreement, undertaken by the insurance companies, who are represented on a special committee of the Central Fire Brigades Advisory Council dealing with fire prevention publicity and education.

    Technology

    Machine Tool Industry

    147.

    asked the Minister of Technology why no decision or action has been taken on the scheme sent to him by the machine tool industry nearly two years ago, which was designed to prevent the slump that now faces the industry.

    The Machine Tool Trades Association's scheme for providing incentives to plant modernisation has been considered several times, most recently by the Working Party set up by my predecessor in June, 1965, to examine the problems arising from the cyclical pattern of machine tool orders. In its report published in June, 1966, the Working Party, which included representatives of the machine tool industry recommended that the Association's scheme should not be introduced at that time.Since the Working Party was set up the Government has brought into action the system of investment grants and has recently increased the level of these grants for purchases of plant and machinery delivered before the end of 1968, to give further encouragement to investment in new plant and machinery. Various other measures to help the industry are now in operation.

    Weights And Measures (Metric System)

    asked the Minister of Technology whether he will publish a White Paper containing the proposals for changing all United Kingdom weights and measures to the metric system.

    As I indicated to my hon. Friend in a Written Answer on 5th December, 1966 it is expected that industry will adopt metric units sector by sector. In time that system will become the primary system of weights and measures for the country as a whole. It will be a cumulative process extending over some eight to ten years and it is expected that imperial units will continue to be in diminishing use for a number of years thereafter. My hon. Friend will have seen the programme for change to the metric system announced on the 21st February by the construction industry. The first consultations leading to the preparation of similar programmes, with inevitable varying time-scales, have begun and a wide section of the engineering industry will receive in the next few weeks a questionnaire on which these sector programmes can be based. So far as the retail sector is concerned no decisions to make the change have yet been taken.—[Vol. 737, c. 237–8.]

    Ministry Of Health

    Accident Casualties (Removal By Helicopter)

    148.

    asked the Minister of Health what study has been made of the possibility of removing casualties from the scene of accidents on motorways and railways by helicopter.

    I know of none: but arrangements exist for emergency conveyance of patients to hospitals by Service helicopter when medical considerations make this essential or no other form of transport is practicable.

    Public Buildings (Access For Disabled)

    asked the Minister of Health what information is available as to the implementation by regional hospital boards and hospital group management committees of the Government White Paper, Access to Public Buildings for the Disabled, attached to Circular 21/65, issued by his Department.

    My Department does not keep detailed records. I am confident, however, that Boards of Governors and Management Committees, to whom I commended the document mentioned, are implementing its recommendations in the design of all new buildings and in existing buildings as opportunity offers.

    Local Government

    Petrol Filling Station, Gravesend (Planning Decision)

    asked the Minister of Housing and Local Government if his recent planning decision to allow a petrol filling station on the A2 between Marling Cross and Laughing Waters Restaurant, in the constituency of Gravesend, is in accord with the regulations governing the use of traffic lanes for acceleration and deceleration.

    The planning appeal decision referred to included a condition requiring the provision of acceleration and deceleration lanes in accordance with certain specified measurements. These measurements were those which the divisional road engineer of the Ministry of Transport had indicated should be required if the development were to be permitted.

    Education And Science

    Agricultural College For Wales

    asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science what progress has been made by the Welsh Joint Education Committee both with regard to the choice of site for the projected Agriculture College for Wales and also the courses to be pursued thereat.

    The special panel set up by the Welsh Joint Education Committee continues to study location, courses, and costs and will report to the appropriate sub-committee of the Council in due course.

    International Conventions

    asked the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs whether he will publish in the OFFICIAL REPORT a list of which United Nations, International Labour Office and Council of Europe conventions have not yet been ratified by the United Kingdom.

    The following conventions have not yet been ratified by Her Majesty's Government:

    United Nations Conventions

    Revised General Act on Pacific Settlement of International Disputes.

    Vienna Convention on Consular Relations.

    International Convention on the Elimination of all Forms of Racial Discrimination.

    Convention for the Suppression of the Illicit Traffic in Dangerous Drugs, with Protocol of Signature and amended by the Protocol of 11th December, 1946.

    Convention for the Suppression of the Illicit Traffic in Dangerous Drugs with Protocol of Signature.

    Convention for the Suppression of the Traffic in Persons and of the Exploitation of the Prostitution of others:

  • (a) Convention;
  • (b) Final Protocol.
  • Convention on Transit Trade of Land-Locked States.

    Customs Convention concerning Spare Parts used for repairing EUROP Wagons.

    European Agreement on the application of Article 23 of the 1949 Convention on Road Traffic concerning the dimensions and weights of vehicles permitted to travel on certain roads of the Contracting Parties.

    General Agreement on Economic Regulations for International Road Transport and set of Rules (not yet in force) with additional Protocol and Protocol of Signature.

    Convention on the Contract for the International Carriage of Goods by Road (C.M.R.).

    Convention on the Taxation of Road Vehicles Engaged in International Goods Transport.

    European Agreement concerning the International Carriage of Dangerous Goods by Road (A.D.R.) with Protocol of Signature (not yet in force).

    European Agreement on Road Markings.

    Agreement on Special Equipment for the Transport of Perishable Foodstuffs and on the Use of such Equipment for the International Transport of some of those Foodstuffs (not yet in force).

    European Agreement concerning the Work of Crews of Vehicles Engaged in International Road Transport (A.E.T.R.) (not yet in force).

    International Convention to Facilitate the Crossing of Frontiers for Passengers and Baggage carried by Rail.

    International Convention to Facilitate the Crossing of Frontiers for Goods carried by Rail.

    Convention regarding the Measurement and Registration of Vessels Employed in Inland Navigation (not yet in force).

    Convention relating to the Unification of Certain Rules concerning Collisions in Inland Navigation.

    Convention on the Registration of Inland Navigation Vessels:

    Protocol No. 1 concerning Rights In Rem in Inland Navigation Vessels;

    Protocol No. 2 concerning Attachment and Forced Sale of Inland Navigation Vessels (not yet in force).

    Convention on the Declaration of Death of Missing Persons Protocol for extending the period of Validity of the above Convention.

    Convention on Consent to Marriage, Minimum Age for Marriage and Registration of Marriages.

    Convention on the International Right of Correction.

    Convention on the Recovery Abroad of Maintenance.

    Covention on the Recognition and Enforcement of Foreign Arbitral Awards.

    European Convention on International Commercial Arbitration.

    Agreement for Facilitating the International Circulation of Visual and Auditory Materials of an Educational, Scientific and Cultural Character.

    International Labour Conventions

    Hours of Work (Industry), 1919.

    Maternity Protection, 1919.

    Placing of Seamen, 1920.

    White Lead (Painting), 1921.

    Weekly Rest (Industry), 1921.

    Night Work (Bakeries), 1925.

    Repatriation of Seamen, 1929.

    Marking of Weight (Packages transported by vessels), 1929.

    Protection against Accidents (Dockers), 1929.

    Hours of Work (Commerce and Offices), 1930.

    Hours of Work (Coalmines), 1931* .

    Minimum Age (Non-Industrial Employment), 1932.

    Fee Charging Employment Agencies, 1933.

    Hours of Work (Coalmines) Revised, 1935.

    Forty Hour Week, 1935.

    Maintenance of Migrants Pension Rights, 1935.

    Reduction of Hours of Work (Glass Bottle Workers), 1935.

    Reduction of Hours of Work (Public Works), 1936* .

    Holidays with Pay, 1936.

    Officers' Competency Certificates, 1936.

    Holidays with Pay (Sea), 1936* .

    Ship Owners Liability (Sick and Injured Seamen), 1936.

    Hours of Work and Manning (Sea), 1936* .

    Minimum Age (Sea) Revised, 1936.

    Minimum Age (Industry) Revised, 1937.

    Minimum Age (Non-Industrial Employment) Revised, 1937.

    Reduction of Hours of Work (Textiles), 1937* .

    Safety Provisions (Building), 1937.

    Migration for Employment, 1939* .

    Hours of Work and Rest Periods (Road Transport), 1939.

    Seafarer's Pensions, 1946.

    Paid Vacations (Seafarers), 1946* .

    Medical Examinations (Seafarers), 1946.

    Accommodation of Crews, 1946* .

    Wages, Hours of Work and Manning (Sea), 1946* .

    Medical Examinations of Young Persons (Industry), 1946.

    Medical Examination of Young Persons (Non-Industrial Occupations), 1946.

    Night Work of Young Persons (Non-Industrial Occupations), 1946.

    Night Work (Women) Revised, 1948.

    Night Work of Young Persons (Industry) Revised, 1948.

    Paid Vacation (Seafarers) Revised, 1949* .

    Wages, Hours of Work and Manning (Sea) Revised, 1949* .

    Fee Charging Employment Agencies (Revised), 1949.

    Equal Remuneration, 1951.

    Maternity Protection (Revised), 1952.

    Abolition of Penal Sanctions (Indigenous Workers), 1955.

    Weekly Rest (Commerce and Offices), 1957.

    Indigenous and Tribal Populations, 1957.

    Wages, Hours of Work and Manning (Sea) Revised, 1958* .

    Plantations, 1958.

    Discrimination (Employment and Occupation) 1958.

    Minimum Age (Fishermen) 1959.

    Medical Examination (Fishermen) 1959.

    Fishermen's Articles of Agreement, 1959.

    Social Policy (Basic Aims and Standards) 1962.

    Equality of Treatment (Social Security) 1962.

    Guarding of Machinery, 1963.

    Hygiene (Commerce and Offices) 1964.

    Employment (Injury Benefits) 1964.

    Minimum Age (Underground Work) 1965.

    Fishermen's Competency Certificates 1966* .

    Accommodation of Crews (Fishermen) 1966* .

    N.B. * Conventions which have not yet received the required number of ratifications for entry into force.

    The following Conventions have been denounced:

    Night Work (Women) 1919†.

    Night Work of Young Persons (Industry) 1919†.

    Workmens Compensation (Occupation Diseases) 1925†.

    Night Work (Women) Revised, 1934†.

    Sheet Glass Works, 1934.

    N.B. † Convention revised by a subsequent Convention.

    Council of Europe Conventions

    European Code of Social Security.

    Convention on the Elaboration of a European Pharmacopoeia.

    Convention on the Unification of certain points of Substantive Law on Patents for Invention.

    European Agreement for the Prevention of Broadcasts transmitted from Stations outside National Territories.

    European Convention on Establishment.

    European Convention on Establishment of Companies.

    European Convention on Extradition.

    European Convention on Mutual Assistance in Criminal Matters.

    European Convention on Compulsory Insurance against Civil Liability in respect of Motor Vehicles.

    Agreement relating to application of the European Convention on International Commercial Arbitration.

    European Convention providing a uniform law on Arbitration.

    Convention on Reduction of Cases of Multiple Nationality and Military Obligations in cases of Multiple Nationality.

    European Convention on the Punishment of Road Traffic Offences.

    European Convention on the Supervision of Conditionally Sentenced or Conditionally Released Offenders.

    European Agreement on Regulations governing the Movement of Persons between Member States of the Council of Europe.

    European Agreement on the Abolition of Visas for Refugees.

    Ministry Of Power

    Electricity Supply (Mid-Wales)

    asked the Minister of Power (1) what is the percentage of properties in Mid-Wales which at the last convenient date were served by electricity;(2) what is the percentage of properties in Cardiganshire which at the last convenient date were served by electricity.

    At 31st December, 1966, about 91 per cent. of farm properties in the five counties of Mid-Wales (Merioneth, Montgomery, Cardigan, Radnor, Brecon) were connected to the mains electricity supply. For Cardiganshire the figure was about 94 per cent. Figures for other kinds of property are not available but almost all were served by electricity.

    Public Building And Works

    Fire Precautions (Research)

    asked the Minister of Public Building and Works if he will state the 1967–68 budget for research and development conducted by his Department into fire prevention and fire proofing of building materials.

    Research into fire prevention and fire proofing is primarily a matter for the Joint Fire Research Organisation, the responsibility for which rests with my right hon. Friend the Minister of Technology. My Ministry has no plans to carry out any independent work in this field, but is co-operating with the Ministry of Technology in directing research into fires in buildings.

    Overseas Development

    Overseas Students (Increased Fees)

    asked the Minister of Overseas Development, in assessing the vacant places in Commonwealth universities in Africa and Asia in connection with his policy regarding fees for overseas students, what sources of information he used; and if he will publish the figures available to him.

    I have nothing to add to what my right hon. Friend the Secretary of State for Education and Science told the House on 23rd February.—[Vol. 741; c. 1998–99.]

    National Finance

    Taxpayers (Investments)

    asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer whether he is aware that Her Majesty's Inspector of Taxes at Cheltenham has requested from taxpayers lists of investments at 6th April, 1965 contrary to Treasury instructions and not required by statute; and whether he will issue a general direction to all tax inspectors forbidding such practices in connection with capital gains duty which are not required by law.

    I would refer the hon. Member to the reply I gave to a Question from the hon. Member for Worcestershire, South (Sir G. Nabarro) yesterday.—[Volume 742, c. 1247–8.]

    Currency (£-Mil System)

    asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer what consideration he has given to the advantages of the £-mil system of currency.

    The £-mil system was closely analysed and rejected by the Halsbury Committee. The objections to it are that tests prove that people find it more difficult to calculate with three figure numbers; and to the extent that mils needed to be recorded on business machines the work and cost of conversion would be greatly increased; some cash registers could not be converted at all. The need to provide 1 and 2 mil coins would increase minting costs. The system is retrogressive in that it provides for a farthing equivalent. The farthing was demonetised in 1960 and is not missed.

    Wales

    Welsh Office (Newspaper Advertising)

    asked the Secretary of State for Wales what sums were expended by the Welsh Office in newspaper advertising in Wales in 1965 and 1966 in the English language.

    In the first nine months of 1966, £3,098 was spent on newspaper advertisements in Wales in the English language compared with £1,157 in the twelve months of 1965.

    asked the Secretary of State for Wales what sums were expended by the Welsh Office in newspaper advertising in Wales in 1965 and 1966 in the Welsh language.

    In the first nine months of 1966, £30 was spent on newspaper advertisements in Wales in the Welsh language compared with £4 in the twelve months of 1965.

    asked the Secretary of State for Wales what sums were expended by the Welsh Office in 1965 and 1966 on advertisements in Welsh language newspapers.

    In the first nine months of 1966, £49 was spent on newspaper advertising in Welsh language newspapers compared with £10 in 1965.

    Local Authorities (Exchequer Grants)

    asked the Secretary of State for Wales what is the total sum of Exchequer grants made to Welsh local authorities in the current year; and how this compares with the preceding year.

    It is estimated that a total of about £106,500,000 will be paid in 1966–67 compared with about £96,000,000 in 1965–66.

    Tourism (Report)

    asked the Secretary of State for Wales when the final report of the Survey on Tourism in Wales will be published.

    The 3-year research grant to the Wales Tourist Board comes to an end in March, 1968. As soon as possible after that the final report, including an analysis of this year's surveys, will be published.