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Volume 745: debated on Thursday 27 April 1967

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Written Answers To Questions

Thursday, 27th April, 1967

Home Department

Illegal Broadcasts

29.

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department if he will seek to amend the Representation of the People Acts to give himself power to proceed against persons who broadcast political propaganda from illegal radio stations.

My right hon. Friend the Postmaster-General already has power to proceed against persons who broadcast illegally within this country. Legislation to suppress unauthorised off-shore broadcasting stations is at present before Parliament.

Commonwealth Immigrants Act, 1962 (Gibraltarians)

40.

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department whether he is aware that there is uncertainty whether the provisions of the Commonwealth Immigrants Act, 1962 include all those born in Gibraltar; and if he will take steps to end this uncertainty.

Citizens of the United Kingdom and Colonies who derive their citizenship from a connection with a colonial territory (including Gibraltar) are as a rule subject to the immigration control, and I am sure that this is generally known. Guidance is readily available at the Home Office and at British posts overseas to anyone who is uncertain about his position.

Motorists (Blood-Alcohol Tests)

39.

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department if he will give details of the new instructions which have been given to police laboratories to prevent mistakes being made with regard to blood or urine analyses taken from motorists; when these new safeguards will be in operation; and whether he is satisfied as to their accuracy.

47.

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department what steps he is taking to ensure the accuracy of blood-alcohol tests on drivers, in view of the serious error in the blood-alcohol analysis taken by his Department's forensic laboratory at Cardiff on a man killed in a tractor accident.

I would refer the hon. Members to the Answer which my right hon. Friend gave on 21st April, 1967 to a Question by the hon. Member for Runcorn (Mr. Carlisle).

Criminal Injuries Compensation Board

41 and 42.

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department (1) if he will instruct the Criminal Injuries Compensation Board not to discriminate against the servants of public bodies, police officers and employees of nationalised industries by deducting from the claim of their widows the value of any pension paid to that widow by reason of her husband's service with his employers;(2) if he will instruct the Criminal Injuries Compensation Board when they assess and pay compensation to a widow in respect of the death of her husband, to apply the provisions of the Fatal Accidents Act, 1959 and ignore altogether the amount of any pension payable to that widow.

I am studying this matter in the light of the recent decision of the Divisional Court.

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department whether, in view of the recent decision concerning the application of Mrs. Lain, a policeman's widow, he will review the terms of reference of the Criminal Injuries Compensation Board, so as to make it less restrictive.

I would refer my hon. Friend to the Answer I gave today to similar Questions by the hon. Member for Stoke-on-Trent, South.

Commonwealth Citizen (Medical Examination)

44.

asked the Secretary of of State for the Home Department why the wife of a Caribbean minister, details of whom have been forwarded to him, was compelled to strip and undergo medical examination and X-ray at London airport when she arrived there a month ago on a temporary visit.

My hon. Friend appears to have been misinformed. The lady had applied for, and had been quickly granted, an entry certificate to enable her to settle permanently with her daughter in this country. Instructions to immigration officers are that Commonwealth citizens coming for settlement are normally to be referred to the port medical authorities. That was done in this case, and the medical examination included an X-ray for pulmonary tuberculosis.

Visas (Hong Kong Residents)

45.

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department whether he will expedite the issue of visas for residents in Hong Kong who were born outside British territory and who wish to come to Great Britain on business.

46.

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department if he will take steps to speed up the procedures for the issue of visas for residents of Hong Kong who are not British subjects and who wish to come to Great Britain on business or as tourists.

Under arrangements that I have recently introduced in consultations with my right hon. Friend the Secretary of State for Commonwealth Affairs and the Government of Hong Kong, it will now be possible to deal within a few days with most applications from residents of Hong Kong for visas to visit the United Kingdom, on business or as tourists, for not more than three months.

Metropolitan Police (Equal Pay)

48.

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department when he will introduce the principle of equal pay for men and women in the Metropolitan Police.

The pay of the police in all forces in England and Wales, including the Metropolitan Police, is a matter for negotiation in the Police Council for Great Britain.

Accidents In The Home

49.

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department what analysis his Department has made of the causes of the 9,000 deaths which take place each year from accidents in the home; and what action he is taking to reduce this accident rate.

Particulars supplied by the Registrar General show that about 70 per cent. of fatal accidents in the home involve the elderly, the greatest single cause being falls. In other age groups, the principal causes are poisoning (including gas poisoning), falls and fire. Many accidents in the home are the result of physical disability, carelessness or lack of awareness of the dangers concerned; and for this reason publicity designed to warn and educate the public, especially those who care for young children and the elderly, is undertaken by the Home Office and other Government Departments, the local authorities, the Royal Society for the Prevention of Accidents and other safety organisations.

Security Organisations

50.

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department what are the total number of companies and firms engaged in private uniformed security work; what is the total number of persons now employed by these organisations; and if he will take steps to prevent their further increase.

This information is not available. I have no proposal at present to restrict the work of these organisations.

Overseas Visitors (Medical Examinations)

52.

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department what directions he has given to immigration officers concerning the medical examination of visitors to this country.

Immigration officers are instructed that they should, in general, refer for medical examination any visitor who appears not to be in good health or to be mentally or physically abnormal; who mentions health as a reason for his visit; or who is intending to stay longer than six months. There is also a discretion, to be used sparingly, to refer for examination any foreign visitor, irrespective of the purpose of his journey or the length of his proposed stay.

Amphetamines

53.

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department what representations he has received urging that the manufacture of amphetamines in any but liquid form should cease; and what steps he has taken in this direction.

This suggestion has recently been brought to my notice by the Chief Constable of Mid-Anglia. It is being studied.

Voluntary Probation Service

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department if he will seek to establish a voluntary probation service similar to that existing in the Netherlands.

I am concerned that volunteers should play an increasing part in the rehabilitation of offenders. I think this can best be done by using volunteers in support and under the guidance of the skilled staff of the probation and aftercare service, and probation and aftercare committees are encouraging the use of voluntary help in this way.

Firemen And Police Officers (Pay)

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department if he will state the basic pay of firemen and policemen on entry, the salaries of chief fire officers and chief constables employed by comparable authorities, and the basic pay of officers in corresponding intermediate grades in each service for each of the last 10 years.

Holloway Prison (Young Offenders)

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department what steps he proposes to take to remedy the position arising in London, East Anglia and South-East England, where women aged 17 years or over have to be accommodated in Holloway Prison owing to the complete lack of female remand centre facilities in these areas.

The remand centre at Holloway for girls aged 17 but under 21 is now being brought into use. It is in the remodelled hospital, and is entirely separate from the rest of the prison. Adult women on remand at Holloway Prison are kept separately from convicted prisoners.I am considering whether more satisfactory arrangements can be made for remand accommodation for women and girls in the south-east, but I have to bear in mind the very heavy increase in the male prison population.

Charities Act, 1960

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department under what circumstances he is prepared to review the legal meaning of a charity as defined in the Charities Act, 1960.

The matter would be considered for review if there were evidence that difficulty arose out of the definition of charity in the Charities Act, 1960 or as a result of the decision, which was accepted by all parties when the Act was before Parliament, not to attempt a precise statutory definition of charitable purposes.

Public Services (Coloured Personnel)

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department what is the number of coloured personnel now serving in the police, fire service, probation service, prison officer service, child care service and in the administrative and executive grades of the home Civil Service.

In England and Wales there are at present six coloured policemen and 34 coloured staff in the prison service. There are known to be nine coloured members of fire brigades and nine coloured probation officers but this information may not be complete. A substantial number of coloured people are employed by local authorities and voluntary organisations in the services which provide care for children, but the actual number is not known. Questions affecting the home Civil Service are a matter for my right hon. Friend the Chancellor of the Exchequer and I understand that he will be writing to my hon. Friend.

Vehicle Excise Duty (Evasion)

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department whether, in view of the policy of the Greater London Council of pursuing motorists who are evading the payment of their road fund licences, he will ask the Metropolitan Police to assist in this endeavour.

The Metropolitan Police already afford substantial assistance to the Greater London Council in this matter.During 1966 they reported to the Council 144,866 instances of vehicles kept or used apparently unlicensed on the roads. Between 1st January and 23rd April this year they made a further 65,966 reports.

Oil Pollution

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department what reply has been given to suggestions made to him that oil on coastal waters and beaches could be successfully treated with lime.

The use of lime and other particulate materials to coagulate oil on the sea has been considered by the Working Party of expert scientists under the Government's Chief Scientific Adviser. Methods which would involve sinking the oil were rejected because oil carried to the bottom of the sea would be harmful to fish and might later be released; but experiments in coagulating oil on the surface are still being continued. Lime and similar materials are not thought likely to be successful for treating oil on beaches.

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department whether the Government will make a contribution to the appeal launched by the British Broadcasting Corporation for funds to assist towards the heavy expenditure incurred in the cleansing of sea birds from oil discharged from the "Torrey Canyon".

Yes. In view of the heavy calls which this disaster has made on the resources of the societies the Government have decided to make a once for all grant-in-aid of £5,000 to the Appeal Fund organised jointly by the World Wild Life Fund, the Royal Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals and the Royal Society for the Protection of Birds. A Supplementary Estimate for the purpose will be presented to Parliament in due course. In the meantime the necessary funds are being advanced from the Civil Contingencies Fund.

Prohibited Immigrants (United States Citizens)

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department how many more United States citizens have been declared prohibited immigrants, following his further consideration of the matter, because of their connection with crime and gambling.

Children In Care (Cost)

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department what was the total cost of caring for the 1,543 children received into care because of eviction reported in the recent departmental statistical analysis.

Remand Homes (Staff)

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department what steps he is taking to deal with the problem of shortage of staff in remand homes; and if he will make a statement.

This is one aspect of the general problem that local authorities in England and Wales now have in staffing residential establishments of various kinds. I hope that the National Council of Social Services' Committee on the Staffing of Residential Homes and Institutions, in a forthcoming report, will suggest possible ways of improving the position.

Jurors

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department if he will consider taking powers to enable him to conduct an inquiry into cases where a juror alleges that improper pressure has been put on him by his fellow jurors.

No. For reasons I gave in reply to Questions by my hon. Friend on 9th March retrospective action in regard to the proceedings of a jury would be destructive of the whole principle of the finality of verdicts.—[Vol. 743, c. 1737–8.]

London Elections (Rules)

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department if he will amend the local election rules so as to bring the hours of polling for elections to the Greater London Council into line with the hours for Parliamentary elections.

My right hon. Friend will consider this suggestion as part of a review now in hand of the London Election rules.

Race Relations Act

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department whether, in view of the recent Political and Economic Planning report, a copy of which has been sent to him, he will extend the provisions of the Race Relations Act to cover housing and employment.

I would refer my hon. Friend to the Answer I gave today to similar Questions.

Overseas Development

Aid (British Balance Of Payments)

54.

asked the Minister of Overseas Development if he will state the net cost to the British balance of payments, of overseas aid in each of the years 1963, 1964, 1965 and 1966, after allowing for repayment of loans and interest and expenditure on British exports of other donors' aid programmes.

I would refer my hon. Friend to my reply to the hon. Member for Antrim, North (Mr. Clark) on 2nd February.—[Vol. 740, c. 754–5.]

Zambia (Kafue Dam Project)

asked the Minister of Overseas Development what is the intended British participation in the Kafue dam project; why Her Majesty's Government have agreed to such participation, in view of the fact that the Kariba dam can meet Zambia's power requirements; to what extent it is linked with contracts and orders for British enterprises; and what will be the cost to the British taxpayer.

I have nothing to add to the reply which I gave on 20th April in answer to a Question by my hon. Friend the Member for Fife, West (Mr. William Hamilton.)—[Vol. 745, c. 142.]

Economic Affairs

West Midlands Economic Planning Council (Report)

55.

asked the First Secretary of State and Secretary of State for Economic Affairs whether, in the light of paragraphs 118 and 119 of the first report to him of the West Midlands Economic Planning Council, he will give a rapid decision on its proposal that some financial incentive be offered to firms moving to overspill areas or new towns.

All the proposals put forward in the first report of the West Midlands Economic Planning Council are receiving careful attention, but the issues involved are complex and decisions will take some time.

Incomes Standstill (Pensions)

56.

asked the First Secretary of State and Secretary of State for Economic Affairs whether he has considered the effect of the period of incomes standstill and severe restraint on the pensions of those workers now in their last five years of full-time employment, whose pensions are calculated on the basis of their average earnings over those five years; and if he will make a statement.

We gave very careful consideration to this, but came to the conclusion that special action would not be justified, partly because it would only lead to further anomalies and partly because of the practical difficulties involved.

Nationalised Fuel Industries (Prices)

57.

asked the First Secretary of State and Secretary of State for Economic Affairs what assessment he has made of the extent to which the differential pricing policies of the nationalised fuel industries hinder regional development.

We have made some assessment of the effect on industry of regional differences in fuel prices but have found no evidence that these differences are a significant factor in regional development.

Prices And Incomes Act, 1966 (Orders)

58.

asked the First Secretary of State and Secretary of State for Economic Affairs whether he will publish in the Official Report as much detailed information as he has readily available, giving the numbers of wage orders introduced since July, 1966 stopping or delaying wage increases, the number of workers involved, the average wage increases in each case, and the number of orders preventing price and dividend increases for the same period.

A total of 13 Orders restricting pay increases have been made under the Prices and Incomes Act 1966. For details, I would refer my hon. Friend to the replies—which I gave to the hon. Member for Belfast, North (Mr. Stratton Mills) on 17th March—[Vol. 743, c. 164–5]—and to my hon. Friend the Member for Huddersfield, West (Mr. Lomas) on 6th April—[Vol. 744, c. 81–2.] I am publishing in the OFFICIAL REPORT details of two further Orders restricting pay made since that date. One Order restricting price increases has also been made to date, in respect of laundry and drycleaning charges.

Telephone Service

Taxicab Ranks

59 and 62.

asked the Postmaster General (1) if he is aware that some incapacitated London citizens can only obtain taxis by telephoning taxi ranks, and that those telephones are to be removed from taxi ranks to save money; whether he is aware that the British Legion branch of these taxi-cab owners is prepared to bear the cost of maintaining the service; and whether he will take steps to reverse this decision;(2) why he proposes to withdraw all free telephones at taxi ranks in the London Metropolitan area, what he estimates the saving to be; how much he estimates to be the cost of renting instead and from whom he will obtain payment; and whether he will give a list of cab ranks where these facilities will be withdrawn on 1st May unless rented.

There is no reason why the Post Office should subsidise the cab trade. The annual saving will be about £1,200. The rental for each telephone is £16 a year, and I should be glad to continue service if this is paid.

FREE CAB RANK TELEPHONES
To be withdrawn on 1st May, 1967 unless rented
Telephone NumberLocation
01–7238492Hyde Park Crescent, W.2.
01–7233992London Street, W.2.
01–9352553Baker Street Station, W.1.
01–4071183London Bridge Station, S.E.1.
01–8004819Stamford Hill, N.16.
01–8003758Finsbury Park, N.4.
01–7393841Calvert Avenue, E.2.
01–2862566Warwick Avenue, W.9.
01–2867913Junction Hall Road, N.W.8.
01–7221078Prince Albert Road, N.W.8.
01–7221300Finchley Road, N.W.3.
01–8525055Loampit Vale, S.E.13.
01–3739080Redcliffe Square, S.W.10.
01–5894296Sloane Avenue, S.W.3.
01–5846959De Vere Gardens, W.8.
01–5849679Queens Gate Terrace, S.W.7.

Wireless And Television

Bbc (Colour Television)

60.

asked the Postmaster-General when the British Broadcasting Corporation now expects to introduce a colour television service; and if he will make a statement.

As the B.B.C. has announced, the colour service will start on B.B.C.2 on 2nd December. There will be a colour launching period starting on 1st July during which colour programmes will be transmitted as and where opportunity offers in the B.B.C.2 network.

Local Broadcasting Councils (Appointments)

61.

asked the Postmaster-General how, and by whom, the members of the boards of management of the local sound radio broadcasting stations will be selected.

I assume that the hon. Member has in mind the local Broadcasting Councils. As the White Paper on Broadcasting records, each Council will be appointed by me, in consultation with the B.B.C.

Independent Television Authority (Contracts)

asked the Postmaster-General whether he will take the necessary steps to provide that future independent television contracts are awarded only to non-profitmaking bodies or to charitable trusts who will devote the proceeds to educational, cultural and medical research.

I cannot usefully add to my Answer to my hon. Friend the Member for Croydon, South (Mr. Winnick) on 6th April.—[Vol. 744, c. 429.]

Post Office

Computers (Programmers And Systems Analysts)

asked the Postmaster-General how many computer programmers and systems analysts, respectively, were employed by the General Post Office; and at what average weekly earnings on 31st July, 31st December, 1966 and 31st March, 1967.

The numbers employed on the dates mentioned were:

31st July, 196631st December, 196631st March, 1967
Programmers116142182
Systems Analysts202226230
Information about earnings is not readily available in the form asked. The vast majority of the staff concerned is paid on one of four separate Civil Service scales which cover the range from £633 to £3,084 a year.

Europe Day

63.

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs what instructions he has given to Government Departments in connection with the celebration of Europe Day on 5th May in implementation of Resolution (64) 16 of the Committee of Ministers of the Council of Europe adopted on 31st October, 1964.

The Ministry of Public Building and Works will fly eight Council of Europe flags and eight Union flags in Parliament Square on 5th May. The Department of Education and Science and the Ministry of Housing and Local Government have distributed to Local and Education Authorities copies of the Europe Day pamphlet produced by the Council of Europe Directorate of Information. The Foreign Office is sponsoring an exhibition in the Upper Waiting Hall of the Palace of Westminster from 2nd to 10th May. The exhibition will be mounted by the Central Office of Information, who have been working in collaboration with the Council of Europe Directorate of Information.

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs what response he has made to the proposal of the Assembly of the Council of Europe that a Eurovision broadcast should take place on Europe Day, 5th May, in which he and other European Foreign Ministers should take part.

The President of the Consultative Assembly of the Council of Europe has invited me to take part in a television programme celebrating Europe Day, and I have been happy to accept.

Nuclear Weapons

64.

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs what is now the policy of Her Majesty's Government with regard to the United Kingdom giving up nuclear weapons; and whether he will make a statement.

Our policy remains to work for progress towards general and complete disarmament. Meanwhile, as has been repeatedly made clear our aim is not to maintain a British independent deterrent but to internationalise our nuclear weapons.

South Arabia

65.

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs whether it is still the policy of Her Majesty's Government to withdraw all British forces from the Federation of South Arabia, as soon as the Federation achieves independence.

66.

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs on what grounds the British High Commissioner in Aden banned the National Liberation Front; why the Front for Liberation of South Yemen has not been similarly banned; and why supporters of the Front for Liberation of South Yemen have been allowed to parade through the streets carrying guns.

For the first two parts of the question I would refer the right hon. Gentleman to my right hon. Friend's replies to his Questions on 23rd March. The carrying of firearms by unauthorised persons is contrary to law. The British forces under conditions of great difficulty and provocation do every thing they can to ensure the law is observed in this and other respects. I therefore deplore the suggestion that our forces "allow" this practice to happen.

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs if any calculation has been made of the value of the capital assets owned by the British Government in Southern Arabia; and what he proposes to do with these after evacuation.

No precise calculation has been made of the value of non-military capital assets owned by the British Government in South Arabia but at a rough estimate their present day depreciated cost would be less than a quarter of a million pounds. Their disposal is currently under consideration.

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs what assistance his Department proposes to give to British officers now in Government service in Southern Arabia to find alternative employment after the evacuation.

As South Arabia will stand in need of British Staff for a number of years to come it would not be right to encourage those there to leave immediately after independence. The services provided through the Overseas Service Resettlement Bureau will, however, be available for eligible officers.

asked the Secreretary of State for Foreign Affairs which arrangements are being made for the upkeep and continuance of the Red Sea Lights after British evacuation of Aden.

Such Red Sea Lights as are not administered by other countries are maintained by Her Majesty's Government under an International Agreement whereby Her Majesty's Government act as managing Government with other shipping countries contributing to the cost. Urgent consideration is being given to the most efficient means of fulfilling this obligation after the British withdrawal from Aden.

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs if he will take steps to ensure that all pensions due to Government officials, British or Asia, after the evacuation of South Arabia are paid in pounds sterling and not in dinars.

Arrangements to provide for payment of pensions in the currency of the country in which payment is to be made and to preserve the sterling value of the pensions calculated at the official rate of exchange prevailing at independence will be included in the Public Officers Agreement.

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs if he is satisfied there are sufficient South Arabian funds under the control of the United Kingdom Government to ensure that pensions of all Government servants of that area, British or Asian, are secure for the future; and if he will make a statement.

Responsibility for payment of pensions to officers in the Public Service in South Arabia is a matter for the local governments. Safeguards for the pensions and other retirement benefits of these officers will be effected through the signing of a Public Officers Agreement between Her Majesty's Government and the independent government on the independence of South Arabia. Preliminary negotiations on this subject have already taken place in South Arabia and I have no reason to believe that there will be any difficulty in concluding an Agreement of this kind.

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs if he is satisfied that pension arrangements for employees of the Aden Port Trust are adequate and secure for the future; and if he will make a statement.

As the Aden Port Trust is not a Government organisation, I have no responsibility for the pension arrangements of the staff. I understand, however, that negotiations on pensions and related matters are proceeding in Aden between the Board of Trustees and representatives of the Aden Port Trust Staff Associations.

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs what arrangement he proposes to make to ensure that the pensions of all Government servants of Aden and the Federation will be adjusted to take account of any rise in the cost of living.

The question of pension increases to take account of any rise in the cost of living will be a matter for the independent Government of South Arabia.

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs if he will ensure, as a condition of independence, that resettlement grants are made to South Arabian Government servants, not of United Kingdom or Southern Arabian domicile, who return to their own countries after evacuation.

It is the intention that these officers should be entitled to retire voluntarily on independence with the pension or gratuity which they will have earned in respect of their service. I do not consider that additional arrangements of the kind suggested are warranted.

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs if he will study the arrangements made in Palestine towards the end of the mandate to assist Government officers of British or other nationality to transfer their goods and personal possessions safely to their homes; and if he will apply similar arrangements to those serving in South Arabia and grant financial assistance towards this end.

There is no need to study arrangements made nearly twenty years ago in different circumstances. The personal effects of officers in South Arabia will be transported in accordance with their conditions of service.

Ministry Of Health

Ambulance Service

67.

asked the Minister of Health whether he is aware that on 27th February, 1967, an ambulance ordered at 3.15 p.m. to take a seriously ill patient from the Royal Hospital, Wolverhampton, did not arrive until 6 p.m.; and if he will make a statement.

Health Services (Cost)

asked the Minister of Health what is the estimated total value of publicly financed medical services made available to individuals; and what percentage of this figure is represented by services for which a test of financial means is applied.

Estimated expenditure on health services by my Department and by local health authorities in 1966–67 was £1,262 million (England and Wales). As regards the second part of the Question I would refer the hon. Member to my reply to my hon. Friend the Member for Sheffield, Heeley (Mr. Hooley) on 6th March, 1967.—[Vol. 742, c. 187.]

General Practice Finance Corporation

asked the Minister of Health when the General Practice Finance Corporation will be ready to make loans to doctors.

The Corporation have prepared the scheme required by the National Health Service Act, 1966, setting out the way in which they will carry out their functions, and my right hon. Friend the Secretary of State for Scotland and I have approved it. The Corporation are now in a position to make loans and they have invited doctors to apply when they have obtained the necessary certificate from the Executive Council.

Board Of Trade

Limited Joint Stock Companies

68.

asked the President of the Board of Trade when he will make a statement about the systematic review of the whole theory and purpose of the limited joint stock company.

Rolls Razor Limited (Report)

asked the President of the Board of Trade when he expects to receive the report of the inquiry into the affairs and conduct of the Rolls Washing Machine Company.

The report of the inspectors who inquired into the affairs of Rolls Razor Limited was received on 30th November, 1965. It was referred to the Director of Public Prosecutions under Section 169(1) of the Companies Act, 1948. Police inquiries are in progress.

Chipboard Industry

asked the President of the Board of Trade what action he is taking to deal with the crisis in the chipboard industry in the north of Scotland, which is now causing the loss of jobs in forestry and associated employment.

The general position of the British chipboard industry was set out in the Answer I gave to my hon. Friend the Member for Fife, West (Mr. William Hamilton) on 26th April. I am aware of the difficulties faced by a chipboard factory in Inverness and of the concern which is felt about outlets for forestry thinnings in the area. The appropriate authorities are keeping in touch with the situation.—[Vol. 745, c. 294.

Ministry Of Labour

Equal Pay

69.

asked the Minister of Labour what progress has been made in the current discussions being held in his Department on equal pay for women; and if he will make a statement.

I would refer to the Answer I gave the hon. Member for Wood Green (Mrs. Joyce Butler) on 20th February, 1967. The discussions have now almost reached completion and the report from officials taking part will then have to be considered by the Government and by the T.U.C. and C.B.I. At that stage I hope to give the House more information.—[Vol. 741, c. 1131–2.]

Government Training Centres

asked the Minister of Labour what is the normal waiting period for applicants who have been accepted for training at the Leicester Government Training Centre before they commence their training; how many such applicants are at present waiting; and if he will make a statement.

Waiting periods fluctuate. For some trades the waiting time at Leicester Government Training Centre is at present six months or less; for others it is up to a year or more. 120 successful applicants are currently waiting for training places. Waiting periods can sometimes be reduced if applicants are willing to leave home for training at a more distant centre. Pressure on Centres in the Midlands will be eased when the new Centre at Coventry opens later this year

asked the Minister of Labour if he is satisfied that the work of the Government training centre at Denton is receiving the full co-operation of the Amalgamated Engineering Union; and if he will make a statement.

I am disappointed that the Manchester District Committee of the Amalgamated Engineering Union refuses to accept our engineering trainees, other than welders, despite a shortage of skilled engineering workers in the area. I have appealed to the Committee to reconsider its attitude.

Unemployment (Morecambe And Lonsdale)

asked the Minister of Labour what was the percentage of wholly unemployed registered in March 1967 in the areas of Carlisle, Morecambe, Skelmersdale, Lancaster and Huyton, Lancashire, respectively.

Separate percentage rates of unemployment can be calculated for Morecambe and Lancaster but not for (1) Carlisle, which forms part of Carlisle and Brampton "travel to work" area, (2) Skelmersdale, which is part of Ormskirk Employment Exchange area, and (3) Huyton, which is included in the Liverpool and district "travel to work" area. Percentage rates can be calculated for the whole of these "travel to work" areas but not for the constituent parts.Following is the information:

Wholly unemployed percentage rates at 13th March, 1967
per cent.
Carlisle and Brampton2·8
Morecambe4·9
Ormskirk2·0
Lancaster2·1
Liverpool and district3·7

Exhibition Industry (Pay Increase)

asked the Minister of Labour on what date he was notified of the proposed pay increase for exhibition workers; if he is satisfied that the settlement is consistent with the criteria for severe restraint; if he proposes to refer the settlement to the National Board for Prices and Incomes; and if he will make a statement.

The Joint Secretaries for the National Joint Council for the Exhibition Industry notified my Department on 7th February of their decision to defer the payment of a 1½d. per hour increase, originally due in February under a long term cost-of-living sliding scale agreement, until 3rd July in accordance with paragraph 35 of Cmnd. 3150.The National Joint Council further advised my Department on 20th March of their decision to increase hourly rates by 2½d. for craftsmen and 1½d. for labourers with effect from the first full pay week in July 1967. As this is a new agreement the Joint Council have been asked to show how the increases can be justified against the criteria in the new White Paper (Cmnd. 3235).

Technology

Spey Phantom Aircraft (Price)

70.

asked the Minister of Technology what was the contract price for the Royal Navy Phantom aircraft when first ordered, and what is the price today, taking into account only those increases due to money inflation in the United States of America.

The agreements for the purchase of Spey Phantom aircraft for the Royal Navy are based on cost estimates provided by the United States Government. These include a factor of 3 per cent. per annum for inflation in the United States of America.

European Technological Community

Q7.

asked the Prime Minister what progress has been made with his proposal for a European Technological Community.

I have nothing to add to previous Answers I have given on this Question.

Q13.

asked the Prime Minister if he will consider, as a preliminary step, the establishment of an inter-disciplinary committee to examine the management and marketing factors associated with a European Technological Community.

I agree that managerial and marketing factors are of great importance but I have no immediate plans for a new committee to study them.

Rhodesia

Q9.

asked the Prime Minister whether he will now invite U Thant to visit Rhodesia.

Her Majesty's Government keep in close touch with the Secretary General on Rhodesia as on many other matters. But I do not believe that the hon. Gentleman's suggestion would prove to be helpful.

Scotland And Wales (Devolution)

Q10.

asked the Prime Minister what plans he has to initiate legislation providing for a degree of self-government for Scotland and Wales.

I would refer the hon. Member to the Answer I gave on 20th April to a Question by the hon. and learned Member for Montgomery.—[Vol. 745, c. 151.]

Impoverished (Royal Commission)

Q11.

asked the Prime Minister whether, in view of the existence of impoverishment among a substantial section of the community due to low wages and other causes, he will recommend the appointment of a Royal Commission to inquire into the causes of impoverishment and to recommend remedial proposals.

No. We already have a great deal of information about this subject and will have more when the analysis of the Ministry of Social Security's recent survey of Family Circumstances is completed. As to remedies my right hon. Friend will know of the many important measures already enacted by the House and others are in prospect. I do not think that a Royal Commission would be likely to help.

European Economic Community

Q14.

asked the Prime Minister what are the minimum conditions which Her Majesty's Government now propose to insist upon in the event of making an application to join the European Economic Community.

I would refer my right hon. Friend to the reply given on 25th April by my right hon. Friend the Foreign Secretary to Questions by my hon. Friends the Members for Houghton-le-Spring (Mr. Urwin), Lewisham, North (Mr. Moyle), The Hartle-pools (Mr. Leadbitter), Willesden, West (Mr. Pavitt) and Salford, West (Mr. Orme).—[Vol. 745, c. 1324.]

Q15.

asked the Prime Minister, which Departments have, and which have not, prepared assessments of the information available on the economic implications of British accession to the European Economic Community and the effect of those implications on the departments concerned; and whether he will give instructions that the assessments should be published.

I would ask my hon. Friend to await the information which has already been promised to the House.

Vietnam

asked the Prime Minister what consultations he has had this week with President Johnson over the increased United States bombing near Hanoi, including bombing of new targets.

I have nothing to add to the Answer I gave on 20th April to a Question by the hon. Member for Bury St. Edmunds (Mr. Eldon Griffiths).—[Vol. 745, c. 804.]

Central Advisory Committee Of Scientists

Q12.

asked the Prime Minister whether he will invite the Central Advisory Committee of Scientists to make proposals for the diversion of part of the £260 million now being spent on military research and development to civil research for the benefit of the export industries.

The Council's terms of reference already require them to concern themselves with the overall distribution of our scientific and technological effort.

Agriculture, Fisheries And Food

European Economic Community

asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food what effect Great Britain's entry into the European Economic Community would have upon the number of beef cattle which come from dairy herds; and how this would affect the targets for beef production set by his Department.

If we were to accept as they stand the arrangements so far decided upon by the present Community for the single market stage, the general level of profitability of U.K. milk production would probably be lower and this could lead to some reduction in the size of the dairy herd. On the other hand, the increased profitability of beef production would provide an incentive for a greater proportion of calves from the dairy herd to be retained for beef. Because of the many imponderable factors involved, no firm assessment of the net effect on numbers can be made. However, the achievement in these circumstances of the Government's present objectives for U.K. beef production would be influenced not only by the factors mentioned but also by the effect of increased profitability on the size of the beef herd.

asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food what estimate he has made of the adequacy of United Kingdom milk production in the winter season in the event of Great Britain joining the European Economic Community.

This would depend on the arrangements agreed for milk in an enlarged Community. If the arrangements and decisions so far adopted by the Community were to be applied in the United Kingdom as they stand, milk production would become less profitable in comparison with cereal and beef production and winter milk production would be less profitable than summer production. In these hypothetical circumstances, United Kingdom milk production could fall below the requirements of the liquid milk market in some winter months; but it is not possible to make a precise estimate of the possible shortfall on these assumptions because of the many imponderable factors involved.

Foot-And-Mouth Disease

asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food what is the advice of his experts as to the pos- sibility that Mr. Brewis could have given the foot-and-mouth disease virus to animals in Northumberland last year.

I would refer the hon. Member to my statement on 19th April from which he will see that there was no such possibility.—[Vol. 745, c. 491–8.]

Commonwealth Affairs

Malta (Joint Mission)

asked the Secretary of State for Commonwealth Affairs, whether he is yet in a position to make a further statement on the composition of the joint mission to Malta.

Yes. I am glad to be able to tell the House that the membership of the Mission has been completed. It will be starting its work at once under Lord Robens' Chairmanship. The following members have been appointed by the British Government and have accepted my invitation to serve on the Mission:

  • Professor C. R. Ross, M.A., University of East Anglia.
  • Mr. R. H. Grierson, Industrial Reorganisation Corporation.
  • Mr. W. Simpson, O.B.E., D.F.C., Chief Public Relations Officer, British European Airways.
  • Sir Alfred Nicholas, C.B.E., South Wales Switchgear Limited.
  • Mr. T. M. Iley, O.B.E. (Retired Deputy Chief Inspector, Ministry of Labour).
  • The Malta Government have appointed the following members: Major Austin Cassar Torreggiani, a prominent Maltese Industrialist.
  • Mr. J. Attard Kingswell, General Secretary of the General Workers' Union.
  • Mr. H. R. Neururer, a Swiss Economic Consultant.
  • Mr. Paul Sciberras, Member of the Council of Administration of Malta Drydocks.
  • Mr. Maurice Abela, Principal Assistant Secretary (Economic Planning Division) Prime Minister's Office, and Division) Principal Government Statistician.

Education And Science

Further Education (Forestry Courses)

asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science how many institutions for further education offer courses in tree work and arboriculture; and if he will encourage the establishment of such courses in such subjects in institutions under his control.

Provision for these subjects is usually made as part of more general courses in forestry and horticulture, but I understand that some establishments offer separate courses as required to meet local needs. Local education authorities and colleges will, I am sure, be ready to consider additional provision where justified by the demand.

Ministry Of Defence

Arabian Peninsula

asked the Secretary of State for Defence what increases are being made in the size of the British armed forces in the Persian Gulf and elsewhere in the Arabian Peninsula, outside the Federation of South Arabia; what additional accommodation and other facilities are being provided at these stations; what is the estimated cost of providing these facilities; and what is the extra annual cost of maintaining these additional forces in that area over and above the cost of maintaining them in the United Kingdom.

On the first part of the Question, I have nothing to add to the "Statement on Defence Estimates, 1967" (Cmnd. 3203). Additional facilities will include living accommodation, provision of services, telecommunications, technical requirements and amenities. Expenditure on these facilities in 1966–67 amounted to £2·5 million, and another £8·5 million is expected to be incurred by the end of the financial year 1967–68. These sums cover both the facilities planned earlier, and those directly attributable to the redeployment. The extra cost in respect of personnel is expected to be about £0·5 million.

South Arabia

asked the Secretary of State for Defence what calculation has been made of the value of the capital assets of the British naval, military and air force services in Aden and the Federa- tion; and how he proposes to deal with these after evacuation.

About £25 million at current depreciated costs. The arrangements for dealing with these assets on independence are being examined.

asked the Secretary of State for Defence what arrangements he is making to provide forces to defend the non-federated States of the Aden Protectorate, in accordance with Great Britain's treaty obligations, after the withdrawal of the British forces from the Federation of South Arabia.

Local Government

Southern Gas Board, Poole

asked the Minister of Housing and Local Government whether he will hold an inquiry into the fact that the Southern Gas Board in Poole has erected plant exceeding 50 feet in height, without planning approval, and in contravention of the Town and Country Planning General Development Order, 1963; and if he will make a statement.

The Southern Gas Board applied to Poole Borough Council for planning permission and was refused. The Board has appealed to my right hon. Friend against that decision. If the appeal proceeds an inquiry will be held, but the Board have asked for a meeting with the Council to try to settle the issue.

Statutory Undertakings (Planning Control)

asked the Minister of Housing and Local Government whether he will take steps to amend Class XVII of the Town and Country Planning General Development Order, 1963, so that local authorities may have a greater measure of planning control over statutory undertakings.

My right hon. Friend will consider the hon. Member's suggestions with others that have been put to him, but he cannot yet make a statement.

Rating Grants (Gateshead)

asked the Minister of Housing and Local Government what was the total amount for all purposes paid from national funds to assist the rate income of the county borough of Gateshead for the years 1962–63, 1963–64, 1964–65, 1965–66 and 1966–67.

The total sums paid to the county borough of Gateshead in respect of general grant, rate deficiency grant, grants under Section 1 of the Rating (Interim Relief) Act, 1964, specific grants in aid of revenue expenditure and housing subsidies are as follows:

1962–63£2,156,746
1963–64£2,413,275
1964–65£2,662,284
1965–66£3,077,434
Comparable figures for 1966–67 are not yet available.(Source—epitomes of accounts.)

Rate Rebates

asked the Minister of Housing and Local Government what is the average benefit given to individual ratepayers obtaining relief in England and Wales under the Rating Act, 1965; and how this compares with the average benefit given to ratepayers obtaining relief in the London borough of Harrow.

For the whole year 1966–67, the average rate rebate under the Rating Act, 1966, in England and Wales was about £15. The average in Harrow was about £24.

Housing

Council Houses

asked the Minister of Housing and Local Government what is the estimated total value of public expenditure on council housing; and what percentage of this figure is represented by expenditure which involves a method of rent rebate linked to a test of financial means.

Exchequer housing subsidies to local authorities in England and Wales in 1966–67 totalled about £79 million. Rate fund contributions for housing in 1964–65, which is the latest year for which figures are available, totalled about £25 million. Information about the total cost of rent rebate schemes is not available.

asked the Minister of Housing and Local Government what will be his policy with regard to the Greater London Council selling council houses to tenants.

I would refer the right hon. Gentleman to the circular (No. 24/67) on the sale of houses that I sent to all local authorities on 20th March, 1967, of which I am sending him a copy.

National Finance

Travel Allowance

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer what provision has been made for the swift supply of additional foreign currency to British subjects on holiday in non-sterling countries in the event of emergencies, accidents, and sickness; and what steps have been taken to inform tourists of these provisions.

As is stated in the Notice to Travellers, which should be handed out by banks and travel agents when issuing foreign exchange for travel, travellers already abroad who require additional funds in an emergency should immediately communicate with their United Kingdom bankers. Such funds can be made available very quickly.

Inland Revenue Stencil No 85

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer how many copies of Inland Revenue stencil No. 85 were completed by taxpayers and returned to the Inland Revenue; and what proposals he has to destroy this information, the request for which had no statutory authority.

Scotland

Afforestation (Isle Of Lewis)

asked the Secretary of State for Scotland what progress is being made with afforestation in the Isle of Lewis; and if he will make a statement about the prospects of longer term and larger scale planting in the island.

The Forestry Commission hopes to acquire this year about 1,750 acres of land for planting on the Isle of Lewis with a view to starting a new forest to supply timber to meet local requirements on the island. Surveys by the Commission do not suggest that there is scope for extensive afforestation on Lewis.

Population

asked the Secretary of State for Scotland which

Estimated PopulationIncrease or Decrease
30th June, 196530th June, 1966IncreaseDecrease
SCOTLAND5,203,9005,190,80013,100
COUNTIES (ex Counties of Cities)
Aberdeen136,069135,519550
Angus94,88794,85235
Argyll59,52758,830697
Ayr347,669347,826157
Banff45,57144,927644
Berwick21,82721,538289
Bute13,39213,115277
Caithness28,38828,257131
Clackmannan42,39442,499105
Dumfries88,15387,709444
Dunbarton202,929211,5248,595
East Lothian53,30653,481175
Fife320,877320,531346
Inverness81,68984,4712,782
Kincardine25,59225,332260
Kinross6,4376,306131
Kirkcudbright28,35028,779429
Lanark593,900597,5543,654
Midlothian119,427120,110683
Moray51,23751,137100
Nairn8,3608,168192
Orkney18,24518,102143
Peebles13,57213,49379
Perth126,796125,3181,478
Renfrew353,200354,5521,352
Ross and Cromarty57,44057,128312
Roxburgh42,90842,633275
Selkirk20,29520,34853
Stirling198,232198,958726
Sutherland13,24013,17565
West Lothian101,034102,9781,944
Wigtown28,52428,50915
Zetland17,51417,371143
COUNTIES OF CITIES—
Aberdeen184,414183,463951
Dundee185,296183,7441,552
Edinburgh472,352468,7653,587
Glasgow1,000,857979,79821,059

Transport

Vehicle Excise Duty (Evasion)

asked the Minister of Transport whether she has had any consultations with the Greater London Council about the evasion of motor taxation; and if she will make a statement.

counties in Scotland showed an increase in population between 1965 and 1966; which showed a loss; and what are the figures of gain or of loss in each, respectively.

The following table shows for each county and city in Scotland the Registrar General's estimates of the population at 30th June, 1965, and 30th June, 1966, and the increase or decrease between the two dates.

The Department is in regular contact with authorities, including the Greater London Council, about their responsibilities under the Vehicle (Excise) Act, 1962. The level of enforcement work has been considerably increased, particularly in London, and this will be assisted by the new provisions in the Finance Bill.

asked the Minister of Transport whether, in view of the policy of Greater London Council of pursuing motorists who are evading payment of their road fund licences, she will give an assurance that her Department will assist in this drive.

Yes. The Department is in close touch with the Council. We are giving them all the assistance we reasonably can and will continue to do so.

Motor Vehicles (Construction And Use) Regulations (Tyres)

asked the Minister of Transport if she proposes to strengthen the Motor Vehicles (Construction and Use) Regulations in order to enforce greater safety requirements regarding tyres.

Yes. It is however first necessary to complete the discussions referred to in my Answer of 19th April to my hon. Friend the Member for Brent-ford and Chiswick (Mr. Barnes).—[Vol. 745, c. 559.]

Vehicle Licensing Centre, Scotland

asked the Minister of Transport if she will set up a separate vehicle licensing centre in Scotland when vehicle licensing records cease to be held by individual local authorities.

Ports

National Ports Council (Grain Imports)

asked the Minister of Transport (1) whether she will direct the National Ports Council to undertake and publish at the first opportunity a survey of the port facilities being developed to handle grain imports into Wester n Europe, with special reference to the size of vessel which these facilities are designed to handle;(2) whether she will direct the National Ports Council to undertake and publish at the first opportunity a survey of bulk grain carriers now in service, being built and on order to meet the requirements of the Western European and British grain trades, respectively.

We are satisfied that the facilities which are being planned for the import of bulk grain into the U.K. are fully adequate to meet the present and prospective demands of the grain trade. Before advising my right hon. Friend on recent grain terminal proposals the National Ports Council had extensive discussions with the trade. If, however, the major grain importers wish to put forward any further views about the future pattern of the trade, my right hon. Friend, and my right hon. Friend the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food will be glad to arrange for them to be examined.

Roads

Traffic Signals (Computer Control)

asked the Minister of Transport when she proposes to commence experiments, with the Greater London Council, on the extension of computer control of traffic signals; and how long these experiments will last.

An experiment will start this summer in West London. It is likely to last for 2–3 years, but some preliminary results will be available earlier.The Greater London Council is associated with the West London experiment and it is already considering, as traffic authority, the possibilities for extension of computer control in London.

Palace Of Westminster (Visitors)

asked the Lord President of the Council what arrangements are being made for Members to take visitors round the Palace of Westminster during the coming summer, in view of the fact that only two mornings a week are now available.

Over the last few years there has been a considerable increase in visitors wishing to see round the Palace of Westminster, and in the particularly busy months of June and July unacceptable congestion has occurred. The introduction of morning sittings, limiting the Line of Route to only two mornings per week, will undoubtedly make this already unacceptable situation worse.

The Services Committee has given very careful consideration to this problem and has decided that, for the months of June and July of this year, severe restriction must be imposed on the numbers visiting the Palace on Tuesday and Thursday mornings.

The Services Committee has therefore made the following recommendations to Mr. Speaker, in order to control the number of visitors on Tuesdays and Thursdays during June and July.

1. There will be no further restrictions on Members themselves taking round parties of up to six people.

2. ( a) No party of more than six people can be taken along the Line of Route, whether it is personally conducted by a Member or not, unless the Member arranging the party has obtained a special permit from the Serjeant at Arms' Office.

( b) Thirty of these special permits will be available each day. They must be booked personally in the Serjeant at Arms' Office and will be issued on a first come, first served basis; no party may exceed 32 in number, and Members will be restricted to one permit only per day.

3. In view of these new arrangements, any ordinary permits already issued for June and July this year will cease to be valid and Members who have arranged for parties should apply to the Serjeant at Arms' Office for the new permits.

4. Members sponsoring parties on behalf of the C.O.I. etc., which will also require new permits, are asked to ensure that these parties should start as soon after 10 a.m. as possible and be clear of the Line of Route by 11 a.m.

5. A Policed Line of Route will be in operation from 10 a.m. to 1 p.m. on every non-public day during the Whitsun and Summer Recesses, and there will be no restriction on the number of parties which Members can accompany in person, or provide with a permit obtainable from the Serjeant at Arms' Office.

In order to help themselves and their parties as much as possible, Members are requested to:—

  • (i) Arrange whenever possible for their parties to start going round as soon after 10 a.m. as possible, rather than later in the forenoon, and
  • (ii) Divert parties where possible to days during the Recesses.
  • (iii) London and Home Counties Members are also asked to let provincial Members have priority for their parties during June and July.