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Volume 750: debated on Wednesday 12 July 1967

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Written Answers To Questions

Wednesday, 12th July, 1967

Transport

European Conference Of Ministers Of Transport (Drink And Driving)

8 and 9.

asked the Minister of Transport (1) what proposals she made to the recent Conference of European Ministers of Transport about laws on drink and driving;(2) what decisions have been taken by the Conference of European Ministers of Transport on drink and driving.

The European Conference of Ministers of Transport has been studying this problem for some years and at the meeting last month considered a report from a specialist working party on which the United Kingdom has played a full part.The Conference adopted a resolution recommending member countries to adopt a number of specific measures on drink and driving. I supported wholeheartedly the adoption of these measures which follow very closely the provisions in the Road Safety Act, 1967.

Goods Vehicle Testing Station, Livingston

23.

asked the Minister of Transport what progress has been made in siting a goods vehicle testing station at Livingston, and by what date it is likely to be completed.

A site was acquired on the Livingston Industrial Estate early this year, and the contract for building the goods vehicle testing station has just been let. My right hon. Friend the Minister of Public Building and Works expects it to be completed by the early summer of 1968.

Road Test Certificate Prosecutions (Midlothian)

24.

asked the Minister of Transport how many prosecutions took place in the years 1964, 1965 and 1966 because vehicles had not a Ministry of Transport road test certificate in the county of Midlothian.

I am advised that the numbers of such prosecutions were 85 in 1964, 85 in 1965 and 107 in 1966. Of these 85, 78 and 100 respectively resulted in convictions.

Economic Research Projects

26.

asked the Minister of Transport what projects of economic research are being undertaken or sponsored by her Department.

A substantial programme of economic research is now proceeding in my Department. A schedule of the research projects now in progress is given below. The list excludes statistical inquiries that provide information mainly for general needs.

Economic Research Projects undertaken or sponsored by the Ministry of Transport, July, 1967

The aim of the classification system adopted below is to give a broad indication of the scope of the work involved; a number of research projects contain elements falling in more than one category.

A. ECONOMIC RESEARCH PROPER

  • 1. Transport Costs Model: A study of the economics of trunk transport for freight and passengers along selected routes.
  • 2. Shipper Survey: A survey of firms' demand for different modes of inland freight transport.
  • 3. Transport decisions within firms: A study on how transport decisions are reached within firms, and the factors affecting these decisions.
  • 4. Choice of mode of transport for journey to work: A study to develop and test a technique for measuring the attractiveness of different modes of transport.
  • 5. Modal Choice in long-distance passenger travel: A study of the factors influencing passengers' preferences for long-distance travel.
  • 6. Urban Transport Cost Model: A study to show the cost structure of different urban modes of transport, the relationship between transport costs and other urban development costs, and the relationship between transport and urban form.
  • 7. Financial results of bus operation: A study to identify the factors determining profitability of bus operation, and to establish the costs of specific types of service.
  • 8. Studies of container potential: Objects are to establish the potential volume of seaborne container traffic, to investigate what modes of transport should handle this traffic, and the number and location of berths.
  • 9. Pallet Pool feasibility study: An attempt to discover whether there is a need for a national, or international Pallet Pool, and what form this might take.
  • 10. Repercussions of new braking and plating regulations: This study aims to discover what costs would be imposed on operators by the introduction of higher braking standards, and more stringent weight restrictions.
  • B. DEVELOPMENT OF MODELS AND TECHNIQUES

  • 1. Development of cost/benefit techniques: A three-year study at the Institute of Economics and Statistics, Oxford University, of cost/benefits techniques in the field of urban planning.
  • 2. Transport network theory Unit: A study at the London Graduate School of Business Studies designed to improve techniques for assigning transport demand to different parts of a transport network, road and rail.
  • 3. Inter-Urban road network analysis: An attempt to explain the traffic loadings on the trunk road network in mathematical terms.
  • 4. Highways Economics: Research into the economics of highway planning, including design construction maintenance and operation of the trunk network; development of criteria for selection of road schemes, and for determining the optimum size of the road programme. (There is a substantial clement of economic research in the more general sense in these studies.)
  • Transport Users' Consultative Committees (Reconstitution)

    33.

    asked the Minister of Transport in what cases she has reconstituted the transport users' consultative committees; and in what way.

    The East Anglian and North Eastern Committees have already been reconstituted and the Scottish, Yorkshire, North Western and South Eastern Committees will be reconstituted very shortly. As my right hon. Friend informed the House on 22nd February she is consulting a wider cross-section of organisations in appointing these Committees so that the views of those whose needs have not always been given enough emphasis can be made known.

    Passenger And Goods Vehicle Drivers (Hours Of Work)

    46.

    asked the Minister of Transport what further action she will take to make more effective the enforcement of regulations on drivers' hours and conditions; and when she proposes to introduce her legislation on the matter.

    The proposals for revision of the law on this subject which I announced on 7th June contain several new measures designed to improve enforcement. They include proposals for the introduction of mechanical recorders in vehicle cabs, a new log book for drivers and wider powers for my enforcement staff to examine relevant documents. I hope to introduce legislation to give effect to these proposals next Session.

    asked the Minister of Transport if she will give the numbers of convictions for offences relating to drivers' hours in road passenger transport, and road freight transport, respectively, in the last five years; and if she will further subdivide these figures into those convicted of keeping no records, and keeping false records, respectively.

    Following is the information:

    Numbers of Convictions
    Record Offences*Hours Offences
    YearGoodsPassengerGoodsPassenger
    1965–6613,2875,22520
    1964–6511,1685,99025
    1963–649,4944,53241
    1962–638,5053,95342
    1961–6210,3634,46856
    * Including keeping no records and keeping false records. Separate figures for these items are not readily available.
    † Records of hours of driving are not required to be kept in respect of passenger vehicles.

    asked the Minister of Transport whether she will introduce the necessary changes to the Road Traffic Acts so that under her Department's new regulations, covering a driver's hours in road transport, 11 hours for rest will become 11 hours of rest.

    We propose to make it harder for the reckless minority of drivers to evade the law by taking additional jobs driving lorries or buses during their rest periods, but there are limits to what legislation can achieve. The use an individual makes of his statutory rest period must ultimately be a matter for his own judgment and sense of responsibility.

    School Children (Concessionary Fares)

    54.

    asked the Minister of Transport whether, in view of the increased number of children staying at school beyond the statutory leaving age, she wall reconsider the age limit for concessionary fares.

    These concessions are a matter for the transport undertakings concerned subject to the provisions of the Travel Concessions Acts where these apply. I have received no representations on this point.

    Hover-Ports

    59.

    asked the Minister of Transport what investigation she is making of the future need for hover-ports capable of handling large hover-ships on both the east and west coasts of Great Britain.

    I would refer my hon. Friend to the Answer given today to the hon. Member for the Isle of Thanet (Mr. Rees-Davies) concerning proposals for hover-ports on the south-east coast. It is not practicable to make detailed studies of the need for hover-ports for still larger craft until there are definite proposals for their construction and use.

    Rural Bus Services

    60.

    asked the Minister of Transport why she has not prevented the decline in rural bus services.

    Bus services generally have declined as the use of private transport has grown. The White Paper on Transport Policy states how we intend to deal with the problems created by this situation, including those of rural areas.

    Vehicle Inspectors (Inquiries)

    63.

    asked the Minister of Transport what proportion of the working time of her Department's vehicle inspectors is spent in calling on residential hotels and similar places used by lorry drivers to inquire into the movements of their guests and times of arrival, and departure; and what is the cost of this inquiry.

    The Department's inspectors are responsible for enforcing the law concerning vehicle fitness and drivers hours and they may occasionally need to make inquiries at hotels to trace the whereabouts of lorry drivers. The time and cost of these few inquiries is negligible.

    Motor Vehicle Tests

    65.

    asked the Minister of Transport whether she is satisfied that official testing of road vehicles over three years old is always carried out to the correct standards; and if she will make a statement.

    I would refer the hon. Member to the recent White Paper "Road Safety—A Fresh Approach". I am completing a check on the standards maintained by garages who operate within the annual car-testing scheme. If this shows that continuing complaints about the scheme are justified, the scheme's wide basis of operation will be reviewed.

    Vehicle Testing Manual (Price)

    71.

    asked the Minister of Transport by what percentage the price of her Department's vehicle testing manual has recently been increased; and on what date the increase took place.

    Driving Tests (Interchange Of Appointments)

    72.

    asked the Minister of Transport whether she will give greater discretion to area offices to agree to the interchange of driving test appointments, in view of the case submitted by the hon. Member for South Shields.

    No. I am satisfied that we cannot afford to provide the further elasticity in arrangements, which I know my hon. Friend has in mind, if the driving test system is to continue to be administered with proper economy.

    British Waterways Board (Sheffield And South Yorkshire Navigation)

    75.

    asked the Minister of Transport what plans she has received from the British Waterways Board for the development of the Sheffield and South Yorks Canal; and if she will make a statement.

    The Board has submitted proposals for capital investment of about £2½ million in the expansion and modernisation of the Sheffield and South Yorkshire Navigation, as described in paragraphs 33–38 of the Board's Report for 1966. The Department is considering these proposals with the Board.

    Pedal Bicycles (Adaptation)

    76.

    asked the Minister of Transport whether she is aware that a manufacturer, whose name and address have been supplied to her, is advertising in the national Press the sale of juvenile saddles to be fixed by a bracket and footrest on pedal cycles; and, as it is illegal for infants or any person to be carried on cycle cross-bars, whether she will take action to prevent the advertisement and sale of these articles.

    The restriction imposed on the carriage of more than one person on a pedal bicycle by Section 13 of the Road Traffic Act, 1960 applies where the bicycle is not constructed or adapted for the carriage of more than one person. We have no reason to doubt the legality of the adaptation referred to in the advertisement.

    Unlicensed Motor Vehicles (Prosecutions)

    77.

    asked the Minister of Transport why it takes from three to nine months for proceedings to be instituted against those charged with failing to have a current road fund licence; why in many instances cases reported by the hon. Member for West Ham, North, have taken two years before a prosecution has commenced; and what action will be taken to speed up this process.

    Establishment of the identity of the offender, which is not given on the majority of the reports received by the Greater London Council, to which I assume my hon. Friend refers, can be determined in the majority of cases only after inquiries, which can take some time. Approval has recently been given to increase the Council's enforcement and inquiry staff and an examination of procedures has resulted in some simplification.

    Underground Stations (Public Conveniences)

    78.

    asked the Minister of Transport to what extent consultations take place between London Transport and the relevant local authorities with regard to the provision of public conveniences in or near London Transport underground stations; and if she will give a general direction to London Transport to ensure that the reasonable needs of underground passengers in this respect are properly catered for.

    Consultations between the London Transport Board and local authorities are a matter of management. A general direction is not required.

    Volunteer Motor-Cycle Instructors

    83.

    asked the Minister of Transport why she has proposed in Command Paper No. 3339 to replace volunteer motor cycle instructors by council officials, in view of the fact that these instructors being themselves young will better encourage young people to take motor cycle training courses.

    There is no intention to replace volunteer motor-cycle instructors by council officials. The Report of the Working Party on the Training of Learner Motor-Cyclists, which is being published separately, makes this clear.

    Departmental Expenditure (Scotland)

    89.

    asked the Minister of Transport how much of the £99 million spent by her in the financial year 1965–66 was spent in Scotland.

    About £771,000, almost all on behalf of the Ministry of Defence. Most of the £99 million relates to roads and, as my hon. Friend knows, my right hon. Friend the Secretary of State is responsible for roads in Scotland.

    Unlicensed Motor Vehicles (Prosecutions)

    asked the Minister of Transport how many prosecutions took place in the years 1964, 1965, 1966 for unlicensed vehicles being used on the roads in the county of Midlothian.

    Road Safety Act, 1967 (Drink And Driving Provisions)

    asked the Minister of Transport what steps she is taking to publicise the drink and driving provisions of the Road Safety Act, 1967; and for how long before the coming into effect of these provisions she proposes to mount a publicity campaign.

    Detailed planning of the drink and driving publicity campaign is well under way. I envisage that the campaign will have a short and intensive opening phase before the Act comes into force, and that it will continue for some months.

    Transport Bill (White Papers)

    asked the Minister of Transport (1) whether she will state the sequence of subjects to be covered by her several White Papers on transpert;(2) why she proposes producing several White Papers on transport in anticipation of the proposed Transport Bill in the next Session of Parliament.

    As the Transport Bill will cover many aspects of transport, I thought it would be helpful to the House and give hon. Members as long as possible to study my detailed proposals, if I published two or three White Papers dealing with the different aspects as soon as my policy on them was settled. The main subjects covered will be waterways, railways, public passenger transport and freight transport.

    Coach Services

    asked the Minister of Transport whether she will give an assurance that she will not seek to control the number of coaches used for transporting holiday makers to British seaside resorts.

    The provision of coach services and public excursions and tours, including those to seaside resorts, is already regulated by the Traffic Commissioners.

    Motor Vehicles (Wales)

    asked the Minister of Transport whether she will state the number of cars licensed for the latest year in each of the counties of Wales, including Monmouth; and what percentage this is in each case.

    Following is the information for 1966:

    Number of carsPercentage of TotalNumber of cars per hundred population
    Anglesey11,8812·521·3
    Breconshire10,7472·319·6
    Caernarvonshire24,7325·220·4
    Cardiganshire13,2762·825·0
    Carmarthenshire33,9847·220·4
    Denbighshire33,7627·118·9
    Flintshire31,4196·619·6
    Glamorganshire192,09140·615·4
    Merionethshire7,9911·721·3
    Monmouthshire76,34916·116·4
    Montgomeryshire10,9562·325·0
    Pembrokeshire21,1254·521·7
    Radnorshire4,9651·127·0
    Total, Wales473,278100·017·6

    Headlamps (Working Party's Report)

    asked the Minister of Transport what action she will take as a result of the working party recommendations on the use of motor vehicle headlights; and when she will announce deails of such action.

    My right hon. Friend is now studying the Working Party's report on the Use of Headlamps and will make a statement as soon as possible.

    West Midlands Passenger Transport Authority

    asked the Minister of Transport what procedure she proposes for consultation with local authorities before designating the area of the proposed West Midlands Passengers Transport Authority; and whether this procedure will include the right of an objecting local authority to a public inquiry.

    I shall be publishing full details of my proposals for Passenger Transport Authorities, including procedures for consultation, in a White Paper in good time before I introduce legislation next session.

    Laurencekirk—Montrose Bus Service

    asked the Minister of Transport, in view of her recent agreement to the withdrawal of passenger services from Laurencekirk station, what plans she has for the provision of alter- native facilities for early morning travellers to Montrose.

    I understand there are two regular passengers involved. My right hon. Friend considered their position very carefully but did not feel she could justify a special bus. We will certainly look into the latest suggestions made by the hon. Member but it might be wrong to inconvenience present bus travellers by rearranging existing bus services.

    Roads

    Prospect Road, Hythe (Improvement)

    41.

    asked the Minister of Transport if she is aware of the traffic congestion in the shopping centre at Hythe; and what proposals she has received for widening Prospect Road.

    Yes, and recently the Hythe Chamber of Commerce have urged us to make improvements, including the widening of Prospect Road. Long-term plans for improving the whole length of this road cannot be put in hand at an early date, but work on a short section will be undertaken during this financial year at an estimated cost of £30,000.

    Traffic Signals (Ilford Crossing)

    56.

    asked the Minister of Transport if she will install traffic signals at the Aldborough Road—Eastern Avenue, Ilford, crossing.

    It is proposed that discussions should take place shortly with the London Borough of Redbridge on methods of reducing traffic conflicts on the length of Eastern Avenue between the Ley Street and the Barley Lane junctions. These investigations will have regard to the possible use of traffic signals.

    Car Parks (Sight Line Requirements)

    57.

    asked the Minister of Transport whether her Department insists on full sight line requirements being maintained by developers when establishing a new access from a car park into the public highway; and what are such requirements.

    Sight line requirements for accesses to development on public highways including car parks, are a matter for decision by local planning authorities. The Manual on Roads in Urban Areas issued jointly by the Ministry of Transport, the Scottish Development Department and the Welsh Office gives recommended standards for visibility at road junctions which can be adapted for use as sight line requirements at private accesses.

    Newcastle-Upon-Tyne Western By-Pass

    58.

    asked the Minister of Transport what representations she has received regarding the Newcastle-upon-Tyne Western by-pass; and if she will make a statement.

    No such representations have recently been received. A route from the Al at the southern boundary of Gateshead to the new Scotswood bridge has now been programmed, but a continuation of this route to rejoin the Al north of Newcastle-upon-Tyne has not so far been shown to be justified.

    A4

    64.

    asked the Minister of Transport if she will take special measures to assist the Reading Corporation to diminish the hazards to which pedestrians are exposed in crossing the A4 road in the Southcote area of Reading.

    The Divisional Road Engineer is in touch with the County Borough Council on this matter, but, as my hon. Friend knows, the next step must be for the council, as highway authority, to make a specific proposal and apply for grant.

    69 and 70.

    asked the Minister of Transport (1) if she will advance the proposed major improvement scheme on the A4 Bath Road at the junction of the Colthrop Turn which is at present included in the 1968–69 and 1969–70 programmes;(2) if she will authorise immediately an appropriate scheme of white line markings on the A4 Bath Road at the junction of Colthrop Turn so as to reduce the danger to road users at this junction.

    The Divisional Road Engineer is considering with the Berkshire County Council what will be the most appropriate measures of road improvement for this junction, and until that is settled the timing cannot be determined. Meanwhile we have given instructions for white line markings to be put down.

    Toll Bridges

    66.

    asked the Minister of Transport what proposals the Government now has for abolishing ancient tolls on bridges; and if she will make a statement.

    I have nothing to add to the Answers given on this subject to the hon. Member on 8th March and to my hon. Friend the Member for The Wrekin (Mr. Fowler) on 1st March.—[Vol. i42, c. 1514, 97.]

    Parking Meters (Revenue)

    67.

    asked the Minister of Transport what revenue has been earned from parking meters installed in the Greater London area in each 12 months since 31st March, 1965; what balance was left over in each year after payment of all expenses to provide and mainatin off-street car parks; and what proportion of this balance has been used for this purpose.

    For the period of 12 months ending 31st March, 1966, the gross income was £1,275,192 and the net balance left over after payment of all expenses was £493,475. The whole of this sum was used for off-street car parking. In addition, a further sum of £215,726 was used for this purpose out of the reserve of £403,812 which had accumulated in prior years from parking meter income.I regret that figures for the 12 month period ending 31st March, 1967 are not yet available.

    asked the Minister of Transport whether the principles governing the application of parking meter revenues will be considered in her forthcoming White Papers on transport.

    asked the Minister of Transport what estimate she has made of the income which could be raised annually in central London from the reclassification of parking control referred to in her Department's publication, Better Use of Town Roads.

    A rough estimate of parking meter revenue is given in Chapter 12 of the publication. It would not be possible to make more refined estimates without working out a specific scheme in detail.

    Dovercourt By-Pass

    68.

    asked the Minister of Transport if she will make a statement on the proposed Dovercourt bypass; and when she expects work to begin on this scheme.

    The scheme is included in the principal road preparation list announced on 10th May. The date when work can start will, in the first place, depend on the progress made by Essex County Council, as highway authority, with the preparation of the scheme and secondly, on its cost, relative priority and the resources available for the road programme in particular years.

    Parking Policies

    73.

    asked the Minister of Transport what study she has made of the Automobile Association's survey, Parking: Who Pays?, a copy of which has been sent to her; and what steps she intends to take to help safeguard the interests of those who have business premises near town centres, which are becoming increasingly neglected owing to parking difficulties.

    We welcome the survey commissioned by the Automobile Association both for the factual information which has been assembled and as a contribution to the discussion or the formulation of comprehensive parking policies in our cities. It is our general purpose to reduce congestion in our cities by relating the volume of traffic to the capacity of the streets, by the formulation of comprehensive parking policies by local authorities, and by the maintenance of good public transport services.

    M4

    74.

    asked the Minister of Transport when the traffic on Monday mornings first exceeded the absolute design capacity of the M4; and when she expects to relieve this condition by the provision of triple carriageways on the Slough-Maidenhead section of the M4.

    In September, 1966.In conjunction with the Berkshire County Council the Department is investigating the feasibility of widening the Slough-Maidenhead Section of M4. A report should be ready late in the year, and in the light of it the possibilities will then be examined.

    asked the Minister of Transport what arrangements will be made to provide access on the M4 motorway to the Princess Margaret Hospital at Swindon.

    Our proposals for M4 provide for junctions with the Chippenham-Swindon road (A420) and the Marlborough-Swindon road (A345). These are designed to give access to the whole of Swindon including the Princess Margaret Hospital.

    A614 (High-Level Bridge)

    81.

    asked the Minister of Transport whether any decision has yet been taken on the provision of a new high-level bridge to replace the swingbridge at Thorne, on trunk road A614.

    M62

    82.

    asked the Minister of Transport whether detailed plans are now available for the proposed M62 road to link up with the Humber ports; and if she will make a statement.

    No. I have nothing to add to the Answer given to my hon. Friend on 12th April.—[Vol. 744, c. 194.]

    M1 (Additional Capacity)

    88.

    asked the Minister of Transport what plans she has to construct an additional M1.

    None at present. Studies show that the need to provide additional capacity on the M1 route is less pressing than the need to improve many other parts of the inter-urban road network during the early 1970s.

    Swindon (Access To London Airport)

    asked the Minister of Transport what steps she will take to provide rapid access to London Airport from the Swindon area.

    As my hon. Friend will no doubt be aware, passengers from Swindon can use British Rail's system of Rail/Road links to Heathrow Airport, with facilities for through booking.The M4 motorway will provide rapid access by road when it is completed at the end of 1971.

    Motorways

    asked the Minister of Transport whether she is satisfied that the present planned provision of 1,000 miles of motorway will be completed by the early 1970's; and if she will make a statement.

    I have nothing to add to the reply given to the hon. Member for Worcester (Mr. Peter Walker) on 12th June.—[Vol. 748, c. 25.]

    asked the Minister of Transport whether she is satisfied that the present planned provision of 1,000 miles of motorway by the early 1970's is adequate to meet the nation's needs; and if she will make a statement.

    The total mileage of motorway in use, under construction or announced already exceeds 1,100 miles. In addition, a number of the other trunk road schemes which are to be prepared for the inter-urban programme for the early 1970s are likely to be built as motorways.

    asked the Minister of Transport whether she will give an assurance that all future motorways will be constructed with at least three-lane carriageways in view of the continued growth of traffic.

    No. The number of lanes must continue to be decided in the circumstances of each case.

    Channel Tunnel

    asked the Minister of Transport what are her plans for the provision and/or improvement of road communications between the Channel Tunnel terminal when completed, and the motorway network.

    The key road for Channel Tunnel traffic will be the A20 and schemes for the further improvement of this road are already programmed or included in the trunk road preparation pool. Nearer London, Channel Tunnel traffic will be a small proportion of the traffic likely to use existing and proposed roads. However, certain sections of the South Orbital Road, which will provide improved access to the M23, M3 and M4, are also already in the programme or the preparation pool, while East and North of London various improvements of the "C" ring and the proposed "D" ring route, which will provide improved access to the M1 and M11, are either programmed, in the preparation pool, or under consideration for the preparation pool.

    Flyovers

    asked the Minister of Transport what plans she has for the use of temporary flyovers at congested traffic spots, particularly in urban areas.

    In addition to the existing temporary flyover at Barking referred to in reply to the hon. Member for Wembley, South (Sir R. Russell) on 17th February, the construction of two further temporary flyovers on trunk roads has been authorised. One is in Nottingham at the junction of A614 and A453, and the other on the Great West Road (A4) at its junction with the A315 at Hogarth Roundabout. Others are under consideration.Some schemes for principal roads are also under consideration. We are prepared to consider grant assistance towards others which local highway authorities recommend.—[Vol. 741, c.

    190.]

    Road Signs

    asked the Minister of Transport whether she can now specify a date by which all old signs will be changed to bring them into line with the recommendations of the Worboys Committee.

    I would refer the hon. Member to the Answer given today to the hon. Member for Worcester (Mr. Peter Walker).

    Accidents (Trees)

    asked the Minister of Transport what is the number of fatal and other accidents, respectively, caused by reason of trees growing on roadside verges in England and Wales during each of the past three years.

    This information is not available, but the Area Road Safety Units in Hampshire and Warwickshire report that in some 26,000 injury accidents analysed by them, 3 or 4 per cent. of fatal accidents and 1 per cent. of other injury accidents involved collisions with trees. The proportion of these in which the presence of the trees could be considered to have caused the accident is not known.

    Thorne By-Pass

    asked the Minister of Transport whether plans for the Thorne by-pass are now finalised.

    Not yet, but good progress has been made and we hope to publish a draft Scheme this autumn.

    A1 (Footbridge)

    asked the Minister of Transport whether pedestrian crossing of the A1 at Darrington is to be facilitated by a footbridge or a fly-over road; and whether she will make a statement.

    By a footbridge. Land negotiations are proceeding, and we hope the footbridge will be completed early next year.

    Railways

    Transport Framework

    49.

    asked the Minister of Transport what research is being undertaken by her Department into the need to provide a comprehensive, fast and cheap railway system to meet the essential needs of passenger and freight traffic in the future; and what consultation there is with other bodies, in particular in the United States of America and other countries where the destruction of railways has caused grave economic and social problems, or where railway systems have expanded.

    My Department is studying the long-term transport needs of this country, including the railway's place in the future framework and the Railways Board itself is conducting a major research programme at its modern centre at Derby. Meanwhile, I am very anxious not to repeat the experience of other countries which have abandoned their railways prematurely—that is one reason why I have set up my new Economic Unit to study closure proposals in the widest context.

    High Speed Trains (Conventional Track)

    50.

    asked the Minister of Transport what general directions she has given to the Railways Board concerning research into high speed trains using conventional tracks; and what reports she has received regarding the potentialities for such trains in the United Kingdom and the timing of their introduction.

    A general direction would not be appropriate and is not necessary. The Railways Board research programme already includes work on very high-speed trains using conventional track. Good progress is being made, but it is too early to predict when these developments might be introduced into service.

    Hurst Green, Lewes And Eridge, Groombridge, Tunbridge Wells Lines

    79.

    asked the Minister of Transport when she received the advice of the South East Economic Planning Council about the proposal to close the Hurst Green—Lewes and Eridge—Groombridge—Tunbridge Wells railway lines; what steps she took to ensure that their advice incorporated the views of the East Sussex County Council; and by whom the East Sussex County Council is represented on the South Eastern Economic Planning Council.

    We have not yet received the South East Economic Planning Council's advice on this rail passenger closure proposal. I have every confidence that the Council will exercise its own judgment in formulating its advice. The members of Economic Planning Councils serve in their individual capacities and not as representatives of any other body.

    80.

    asked the Minister of Transport on what date she received the report of the County Planning Officer of the East Sussex County Council to the effect that the proposal to close the Hurst Green—Lewes and Eridge—Groombridge—Tunbridge Wells railway lines was the antithesis of good planning; and what account she took of this before deciding that there was a prima facie case for closure.

    We received this report through the Ministry of Housing and Local Government early this year. My right hon. Friend agreed last September, after studying the advice of the Economic Planning Council for the South East, that the Railways Board could publish their closure proposal because it was not obviously unacceptable on economic planning grounds. This allowed a full and detailed examination in accordance with the statutory procedure and it is in the light of this examination that my right hon. Friend will make her decision.

    84.

    asked the Minister of Transport when she intends to announce her decision on whether to close the Hurst Green to Lewes line.

    91.

    asked the Minister of Transport when she will announce her decision on the proposed closure of the Hurst Green-Lewes and Eridge-Groombridge-Tunbridge Wells railway lines.

    My right hon. Friend will announce her decision when she has been able to give full consideration to all the many factors involved in this complex case. This will take some time.

    86.

    asked the Minister of Transport if she will give an assurance that when she announces her decision about the possible closure of the Lewes—Hurst Green line, there is sufficient time for the matter to be raised in the House before action is taken.

    There will be ample opportunity for hon. Members to let my right hon. Friend have any views on this proposal before she takes her decision. She has already agreed to meet those who have a special interest in this case.

    87.

    asked the Minister of Transport if she will publish the reasons in the OFFICIAL REPORT for her decision on the future of the Lewes—Hurst Green line.

    No, but in accordance with the practice followed by successive Ministers, my right hon. Friend will ensure that hon. Members with a special interest receive copies of the official decision letter.

    92.

    asked the Minister of Transport what was the cost to public funds of the inquiry held by the Transport Users' Consultative Committee for the South Eastern area into the proposed closure of the Hurst Green—Lewes and Eridge—Groombridge—Tunbridge Wells railway lines.

    I understand that the cost of this hearing was about £850.Section 56(16) of the Transport Act, 1962, provides for such expenses to be met by the nationalised Transport Boards.

    Closures (Lewes)

    85.

    asked the Minister of Transport if she will review the machinery for inquiring into proposals for railway line closures, with particular reference to the need to make public facts and figures on which her decisions are based.

    I am reviewing the statutory procedure in the context of the Transport Bill I hope to introduce in the next Session.

    Maximum Speed (Research)

    asked the Minister of Transport if she will take steps and authorise expenditure to intensify research for increasing the maximum speed of trains using conventional track up to 150 miles per hour.

    The British Railways Board is already engaged on such research. If it wishes to intensify this, my right hon. Friend will be glad to consider its proposals.

    Electronic Signalling

    asked the Minister of Transport if she will give a general direction to British Railways to introduce, as soon as possible, electronic signalling that will directly control locomotives travelling at high speeds.

    A general direction would not be appropriate. The Railways Board is developing an electronic system of continuous communication with moving trains, incorporating speed supervision at very high speed. If they wish to bring this system into service, my right hon. Friend will gladly consider what they propose.

    Staff

    asked the Minister of Transport if she will give a general direction to British Railways to attract highly-qualified staff at satisfactory rates of pay at all levels, and to give senior artisan grades such as drivers and signalmen salaried status.

    No. We support the Railways Board in its aim to have a smaller but better paid staff, and this is being taken fully into account in the discussions now going on between representatives of the Board and the unions under the chairmanship of my right hon. Friend the Minister of Labour.

    Redundancy Payments

    asked the Minister of Transport what redundancy payments are available to the various categories of British Railways staff who are made redundant in consequence of agreed plans to increase productivity or achieve greater efficiency and who choose to seek other employment.

    Such payments are made in accordance with comprehensive agreements reached between the British Railways Board and the unions. In general the terms are comparable with or superior to those of the Redundancy Payments Act, 1965.

    Unremunerative Passenger Services (Grants)

    asked the Minister of Transport how much of the Government subsidy to British Railways is required to meet the cost of the socially useful lines which do not pay.

    As I explained in my Answer to the hon. Member for Cirencester and Tewkesbury (Mr. Ridley) on 7th June, the Joint Steering Group set up by the Chairman of the Railways Board and myself have been asked to advise on the likely total size of the grants required to meet the cost of unremunerative passenger services retained on social grounds; no reliable figures are yet available.—[Vol. 747, c. 203.]

    Ports

    Maritime Industrial Areas

    61 and 62.

    asked the Minister of Transport (1) how many joint studies of maritime industrial areas have now been initiated by her Department and the National Ports Council;(2) whether she will undertake a study of the establishment of customs-free ports and manufacturing areas within any proposed maritime industrial areas.

    The Government Departments primarily concerned have discussed with the National Ports Council the initiation of a study designed to identify possible sites for maritime industrial areas, and have also, with the co-operation of the British Transport Docks Board, been taking account of these possibilities in the Humberside and Severnside studies. These ideas for major long-term development raise many important issues requiring detailed study, and the possibility of establishing Custom-free zones will certainly be borne in mind.

    Nationalisation (Working Document)

    90.

    asked the Minister of Transport if she will place in the Library a copy of the working document prepared by her Department on proposals for the nationalisation of the docks which has been circulated to interested parties.

    I would refer the hon. Member to the Answer given on 7th July to my hon. Friend the Member for Ealing, North (Mr. Molloy).—[Vol. 749, c. 300.]

    Port Employers (Licensing)

    asked the Minister of Transport what directions she has given on the criteria to be used by the British Transport Docks Board to license port employers; and whether the appropriate local trade unions are consulted.

    None. The criteria applicable are set out in the Docks and Harbours Act, 1966, which also requires licensing authorities to consult the National Dock Labour Board, on which both sides of the industry are represented.

    Aviation

    Air Safety Standards (Inquiry)

    93.

    asked the President of the Board of Trade if he will hold a full independent inquiry into the safety aspect of standards of operation of all United Kingdom registered aircraft in view of recent disasters.

    I would refer my hon. Friend to the reply I gave to the hon. Member for Woking (Mr. Onslow) on 28th June.—[Vol. 749, c. 98–100.]

    94.

    asked the President of the Board of Trade whether his inquiry into the airworthiness of aircraft which have been in use for 18 years or more is now concluded; and what are the findings.

    I would refer my hon. Friend to the Answers given to a Question by my hon. Friend the Member for The Hartlepools (Mr. Leadbitter) on 21st June, 1967 and to a Question by the hon. Member for Woking (Mr. Onslow) on 28th June, 1967. There is at present no evidence on which to doubt the airworthiness of older aircraft, but particular attention will be paid to this point during the special review.—[Vol. 748, c. 289–90, Vol. 749, c. 98–100.]

    95.

    asked the President of the Board of Trade why, in view of the representations made to him by the British Air Line Pilots' Association, he has ordered a private inquiry into air safety.

    I would refer my hon. Friend to the reply I gave to the hon. Member for Woking (Mr. Onslow) on 28th June regarding the form of the special inquiry. —[Vol. 749, c. 98–100.]

    London (Heathrow) Airport Noise Insulation Grants Scheme, 1966

    96.

    asked the President of the Board of Trade whether he will introduce a scheme to amend the London (Heathrow) Airport Noise Insulation Grants Scheme, 1966 (S.I., 1966, No. 424) by making a specification of work to be done and the conditions on which grant has to be paid more acceptable to the public in the area concerned.

    I am considering whether the specification can be simplified and am also reviewing the operation of the scheme as a whole.

    Board Of Trade

    Development Area Benefits (Edinburgh, Leith And Portobello)

    97.

    asked the President of the Board of Trade whether, in view of the fact that no comparison can be made between the Edinburgh, Leith and Portobello employment exchange area and other areas excluded from development districts on geographical grounds, he will adopt a more flexible approach to the special problems of Edinburgh by considering individual applications for development area benefits wherever this can avert the danger of losing existing industries from the area or assist in the logical fulfilment of the Leith Dock development.

    No. Development area benefits are available only within designated development areas. Following a number of representations recently, I have examined the present circumstances of Edinburgh, Leith and Portobello and am not convinced that any change is necessary.

    Television Sets (Hire-Purchase And Renting Regulations)

    98.

    asked the President of the Board of Trade whether he will amend the regulations restricting the hire, hire-purchase or renting of television sets to enable a larger number of people to obtain colour television.

    Polish Eggs (Dumping)

    99.

    asked the President of the Board of Trade what comparative egg prices in the United Kingdom and Poland, respectively, he takes as the basis of his decision to reject the request made to him to apply antidumping legislation in respect of imported Polish eggs, which are now imposing hardship on British producers.

    The question of prices is relevant only to the establishment of the existence of dumping. The decision whether or not to use the powers vested in the Board of Trade depends also on other considerations; in this instance the application was rejected because I was not satisfied that import of eggs, though dumped, were causing or immediately threatening material injury to the British producers.

    Consumer Durable Goods (Itemised Repair Bills)

    asked the President of the Board of Trade whether he will introduce legislation to ensure that repair work carried out on consumer durable goods must be accompanied by an itemised bill of the exact work carried out and services rendered, before payment need be made by the customer.

    No. I am not convinced that this is an appropriate subject for legislation.

    Extinct Insurance Companies (Inflated Claims)

    asked the President of the Board of Trade if he will take the necessary steps to stop the increasing practice of persons and companies submitting false, inaccurate and inflated claims against persons who were formerly insured with now extinct insurance companies, such as Fire, Auto and Marine; and whether he will make a statement.

    Cotton Textiles (Tariff Reductions)

    asked the President of the Board of Trade what were the token cotton textile tariff reductions made under the Kennedy Round to non-Commonwealth countries.

    Present RateReduced Rate
    55.05(A) and 55.06(A)Cotton yarn: containing more than 5 per cent, by weight of silk, of man-made fibres or of both together16 per cent, plus 7½ pence per lb. of silk and of man-made fibres13 per cent.
    55.08(A) and 55.09(A)Terry towelling and other woven fabrics of cotton: containing silk or man-made fibres17½ per cent, plus 9 pence per lb. of man-made fibres and of silk17½ percent.
    Reductions will also be made in the duties on most made-up goods containing a mixture of cotton and man-made fibres.No reductions will be made before July, 1968.

    Advance Factory, St Helens

    asked the President of the Board of Trade if he will give a progress report on the first advance factory for St. Helens, announced last year; and if he will make a statement.

    We are awaiting the results of tests on a site suggested for this factory by the local authority.

    Industry (Newham)

    asked the President of the Board of Trade whether he is aware of the concern felt by the council of the London Borough of Newham at the attempts being made to attract industry away from this area, resulting in more unemployment and higher rents and rates to the local inhabitants; and whether he will agree to discuss this problem with representatives of the borough council and their four Members of Parliament.

    I am aware that concern has been expressed locally. I am, of course, always ready to discuss problems of this kind but Greater London is an area of labour shortage while both the development areas and the new and expanded towns that are being built to re-house Londoners need employment.

    Shipping

    Cinque Ports Pilots (Byelaws)

    Apart from certain specialised or ornamented textile products, no tariff reductions will be made on yarns, or fabrics or made-up goods wholly of cotton. The following reductions will be made on goods containing a mixture of cotton and silk or man-made fibres:—inquiry into the request made by Trinity House to amend the byelaws relating to classes of pilots in the London Pilotage District which would allow Cinque Ports pilots to pilot ships through the Black Deep, in view of the question this raises regarding the safety of navigation.

    No; applications to the Board of Trade for confirmation of byelaws are dealt with in accordance with the procedures laid down in Section 17 of the Pilotage Act, 1913. In this case notice of Trinity House's intention to apply to the Board for confirmation of the amending byelaws was published in Lloyd's List and Shipping Gazette on 8th July, 1967, and provided for objections to be addressed to the Board within seven days. If objections are made and sustained the Board may reach their decision on the basis of the correspondence exchanged or may first call a meeting of interested parties to discuss the case.

    Agriculture, Fisheries And Food

    Corn (Dressed Seed)

    100.

    asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food if he will ask the seed trade whether, in view of the failure of existing measures to warn farmers not to sow spring corn with autumn seed dressing, they will take back all autumn dressed corn not sown by Christmas and replace it with spring dressed corn.

    We do not accept that existing measures to warn farmers not to sow spring corn dressed with aldrin and dieldrin seed dressings have failed. Our information is that they have in fact brought about a drastic reduction in the number of cases of poisoning of wild birds due to this cause. The replacement of unused autumn dressed seed is a matter for arrangement between the farmer and his supplier.

    Food Prices

    101.

    asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food if he will make a statement on his latest discussions with representatives of the Food Manufacturers Federation about the impending increases in food prices; and when bread and flour prices will be increased.

    I have had no discussions with the Food Manufacturers' Federation about possible increases in food prices. My Officials recently discussed with representatives of the Federation the continuance of the "early warning" arrangements, in accordance with Paragraph 8 of the White Paper "Prices and Incomes Policy after 30th June, 1967" (Cmnd. 3235).I have received no notifications of proposed price increases of bread or flour.

    Trawling Industry (Oil Surcharge)

    asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer, in view of the fact that the recent imposition of 2d. a gallon on ships' bunker fuel and lubricating oils is reducing the potentialities of the British trawling industry, if he will take steps to remove it as soon as possible and meanwhile provide additional aid to the industry from the Supplementary Fund.

    I have been asked to reply.No. This is a temporary surcharge imposed by the oil industry which the Government have accepted as reasonable. Cost changes are taken into account at periodic reviews of the industry's costs and earnings when their full effect is known.

    Fishing Industry (Review)

    asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food when he expects to be able to announce the results of Her Majesty's Government's review of the fishing industry.

    I have nothing to add to the reply which my right hon. Friend gave to the hon. Member for Haltemprice (Mr. Wall) on 21st June.—[Vol. 748, c. 1694–5.]

    Farm Workers (Payments In Kind)

    asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food what was the average weekly value of payments in kind received by adult farm workers in England and Wales for the year ended March, 1967; what percentage of their total earnings was represented by payments in kind; what was the percentage of those workers who received payments in kind; and what was the percentage of farm workers not in receipt of any premium above the minimum wage.

    In the year ended 31st March, 1967, the average value of payments in kind received by hired regular whole-time adult male agricultural workers in England and Wales was evaluated at 7s. 3d. per week. This represents 2·5 per cent. of their average weekly total earnings. Sixty two per cent. of these workers received payments in kind. In the year ended 30th September, 1966 about 10 per cent. of the hired regular whole-time adult male agricultural workers did not receive a premium above the minimum wage rate. Later information on this item is not yet available.

    Eggs (Hen-Slaughtering Scheme)

    asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food what steps he proposes to take in view of the intention of egg producers to slaughter millions of hens still in the prime of life, which would reduce egg output and create an inflationary situation in egg prices.

    I think my hon. Friend is referring to a suggestion for the possible control of egg production by giving producers a financial inducement to slaughter hens in certain circumstances before the end of the normal laying cycle. This suggestion has, I understand, been circulated by the National Farmers' Union to its county branches for comment, but the N.F.U. has made it clear that this in no way implies its acceptance of the scheme or of the principles underlying it.No question of action therefore arises at this stage.

    Scotland

    Salmon Disease (Additional Rivers)

    102.

    asked the Secretary of State for Scotland if there are any further rivers to add to the list of those rivers known to be infected with the salmon disease.

    No additions fall to be made to the lists of rivers in the Answers which I gave to the hon. Member on 31st May and 14th June, but the River Girvan, which was formerly in a doubtful category, should now be regarded as infected.—[Vol. 747, c. 23; Vol. 748, c. 87.]

    Milk (Delivery Contracts)

    103.

    asked the Secretary of State for Scotland whether, within existing regulations on the sale of milk, retailers are entitled to make a contract for delivery to their customers involving a charge for this service.

    Regulations with regard to retail sales of milk are laid down in the Milk (Great Britain) Order, 1967. Responsibility for deciding, in any particular case, whether such a contract is in accordance with the regulations is a matter for the appropriate court to determine.

    Buildings Of Historic Or Architectural Interest, Edinburgh (Demolition)

    104.

    asked the Secretary of State for Scotland how many buildings in Edinburgh listed as being of historic or artistic merit have either been demolished or are liable to be demolished as a result of planning permission already granted during the past three years.

    I understand that four buildings in Edinburgh, statutorily listed as being of special architectural or historic interest, have been or are being demolished to allow developments for which planning permission had already been granted during the past three years.

    North Of Scotland Hydro-Electric Board (Tariff Increases)

    105.

    asked the Secretary of State for Scotland why he has approved the proposal of the North of Scotland Hydro-Electric Board that they shall raise their charges; and how far this accords with the Government's prices and incomes policy.

    The tariff increases were needed because of cost increases beyond the Board's control, to enable the Board to meet its statutory obligation to balance its revenue account, taking one year with another. The Government are satisfied that the increases do not conflict with their policy on prices and incomes.

    Scottish Trawler Fleet (Oil Surcharge Protest)

    asked the Secretary of State for Scotland if he has yet received the two letters sent to him by the Scottish Trawlers Federation protesting against the increase of 2d. per gallon on bunker fuel and lubricating oils; and what reply he has sent.

    These letters convey a claim for special subsidy payments to the Scottish trawler fleet to offset the cost of the surcharge on oil prices. I regret that at this stage I am unable to agree to the claim.

    Alexander Charles Margrett (Post-Mortem)

    asked the Secretary of State for Scotland whether he will make known the findings of the post-mortem on Alexander Charles Margrett.

    As the circumstances of the death of Alexander Charles Margrett will be the subject of a public inquiry before the Sheriff, the findings of the postmortem cannot be made known at this juncture.

    Teacher/Pupil Ratios

    asked the Secretary of State for Scotland if he will publish in the OFFICIAL REPORT figures showing the number of pupils per certificated teacher,

    TEACHER/PUPIL RATIONS IS EDUCATION AUTHORITY PRIMARY AND SECONDARY DEPARTMENTS
    (Based on the number of full-time certificated teachers in post in September, 1965, and the average number of pupils over the session as a whole.)
    Primary DepartmentsSecondary Departments
    Education AuthorityPupilsTeachersRatioPupilsTeachersRatio
    Counties
    Aberdeen17,2346171:27·97,6135541:13·7
    Angus9,8823691:26·84,8003061:15·7
    Argyll5,8062591:22·42,8181821:15·5
    Ayr40,9751,2631:32·418,2031,0921:16·7
    Banff5,4292021:26·92,6552061:12·9
    Berwick2,3261041:22·41,136901:12·6
    Bute1,221481:25·4666501:13·3
    Caithness3,7241331:28·01,574961:16·4
    Clackmannan4,9341651:29·92,2361481:15·1
    Dumfries9,9933261:30·74,6423061:15·2
    Dunbarton26,1048251:31·611,6106991:16·6
    East Lothian6,3112061:30·62,7481821:15·1
    Fife35,8111,1271:31·818,7451,2611:14·9
    Inverness9,9594341:22·94,9753181:15·6
    Kincardine2,8501151:24·81,5351011:15·2
    Kirkcudbright3,2881351:24·41,4151171:12·1
    Lanark77,2782,0311:38·033,7281,7521:19·3
    Midlothian14,8465231:28·46,2044391:14·1
    Moray and Nairn6,9302441:28·43,5042191:16·0
    Orkney1,965951:20·71,005771:13·1
    Peebles1,334521:25·7652491:13·3
    Perth and Kinross13,2525211:25·46,6894781:14·0
    Renfrew42,6671,2111:35·218,7119851:19·0
    Ross and Cromarty6,7342961:22·83,4222581:13·3
    Roxburgh4,4381461:30·41,8721411:13·3
    Selkirk2,103721:29·21,254781:16·1
    Stirling23,3527441:31·411,0296511:16·9
    Sutherland1,468761:19·3809821:9·9
    West Lothian12,9044051:31·95,6603531:16·0
    Wigtown3,4101221:28·01,8401261:14·6
    Zetland1,716881:19·51,084811:13·4
    Burghs
    Aberdeen19,2448161:23·69,3487171:13·0
    Dundee21,5876401:33·710,0196661:15·0
    Edinburgh43,7671,4311:30·618,6751,1911:15·7
    Glasgow116,2223,2081:36·253,9743,2151:16·8
    Total Scotland601,05419,0491:31·6276,85017,2661:16·0

    Ministry Of Defence

    Royal Naval Dockyards (Pay Structure)

    106.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence whether all the trade unions representative of workers in Royal Navy dockyards have accepted the proposed new pay structures for industrial civil servants; and whether he will make a statement.

    in primary and secondary schools, respectively, in each education authority in Scotland.

    The new pay structure was accepted by the Trade Union Side of the Shipbuilding Trades Joint Council which is the appropriate negotiating body.

    107.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence whether he is satisfied that the proposed new pay structures for industrial civil servants will prevent the present high wastage rates amongst those employed in Royal Navy dockyards; and whether he will make a statement.

    I am concerned about the present wastage rates in the Yards but I have every hope that the new pay structure will provide a foundation for the improvement of efficiency and confidence.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence what will be the effect of the recently announced pay agreement for staff in Royal Naval Dockyards on the take home pay of each category of staff employed in them.

    With a few exceptions, all categories will receive an immediate increase of 5 per cent. in their day pay. By next January craftsmen will have received increases which vary between 3s. and 50s. per week, averaging about 30s. per week. Semi-skilled men will have received rises of about 27s. per week and unskilled 12s. per week.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence what will be the effect of the recently announced pay agreement for staff in Royal Naval Dockyards on overtime for each category of staff employed in them.

    The rate of overtime pay for men in the Dockyard Group will not be changed but there will be modifications in the rates for shift working and for overtime in the Stores Group.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence what detailed studies he has made of how the new pay agreements for Royal Naval Dockyards when applied to Portsmouth Dockyard compare with pay levels in other industry in South-East England; and whether he will publish the results of such comparisons in the OFFICIAL REPORT.

    None. With the agreement of the trade union side, the new rates have been assessed in relation to the average earnings paid in comparable industries on a nationwide basis.

    Armed Services Contracts (Scotland)

    108.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence what proportion of the £228 million worth of purchases on the Defence (Navy) Votes in the financial year 1965–66 was made in Scotland.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence what proportion of the £180·9 million of purchases made on the Defence (Army) Votes in the financial year 1965–66 was made in Scotland.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence what proportion of the £75·4 million of purchases on the Defence (Air) Votes in 1965–66 was made in Scotland.

    Anglo-French Variable Geometry Aircraft

    109.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence how much money has been spent by Great Britain to date on the Anglo-French variable geometry aircraft.

    British Forces, Germany

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence (1) whether he is aware that the West German Government have decided to reduce their defence budget by £190 million, cutting their forces by 61,000 men, and making no provision for off-setting the foreign exchange costs for British troops in Germany; and whether, in view of these new circumstances, he will review Great Britain's contribution in men, materials and money to the British Army of the Rhine;(2) to what extent the Bonn Government consulted him before deciding to reduce their forces by 61,000 men and reducing defence expenditure by £190 million, in view of Great Britain's arrangements for military forces being stationed in Germany; and whether he will make a statement.

    As far as I am aware, the only firm proposal made by the Federal German Government is to cut planned military and civil defence expenditure in 1968 by two thousand million deutschmarks; that is, about £180 million. The Federal German Government have made it clear that the consequences of this proposed cut on matters such as the size of Federal German forces have yet to be worked out, and that they will consult with their allies before decision; are taken.

    Hospitals

    Gynaecological Operations (Waiting Period)

    110.

    asked the Minister of Health if he will publish in the OFFICIAL REPORT a table showing the average waiting period for urgent and non-urgent gynaecological operations, respectively, in each of the regional hospital board areas in England and Wales for each of the last three years.

    Urgent cases are admitted without delay. Below is a list of average waiting periods during 1964 for non-urgent cases of diseases of the breast and genital organs, most of which require an operation. Information for later years is not yet available.

    Average Wailing Period in 1964 for Females Suffering from Diseases of the Breast and Genital Organs
    RegionNumber of Weeks
    Newcastle12·8
    Leeds9·6
    Sheffield17·5
    East Anglian13·9
    North-West Metropolitan8·8
    North-East Metropolitan9·9
    South-East Metropolitan10·9
    South-West Metropolitan9·2
    Oxford13·0
    South-Western12·8
    Welsh14·1
    Birmingham14·1
    Manchester15·0
    Liverpool8·1
    Wessex11·8

    Ministry Of Health

    Disabled Drivers (Petrol Allowance)

    111.

    asked the Minister of Health if he will make arrangements for disabled drivers to be compensated for the increase in the price of petrol used in their vehicles.

    Hearing Aid Repairs (Darlington)

    asked the Minister of Health why citizens of Darlington who have been issued with a deaf aid have to travel to Middlesbrough for repairs; and whether he will establish a repair section at Darlington.

    I understand that travelling is not normally necessary because the Middlesbrough hearing aid centre operates a postal repair service. Patients can borrow aids from the Darlington Memorial Hospital while their own instruments are being repaired.

    Severely Disabled Children (Wheelchairs And Vehicles)

    asked the Minister of Health if he will make a statement on the progress of his departmental study group's investigations into the wheelchair needs of severely disabled children and the design of a disabled children's vehicle.

    The study group is about to submit to me an interim report and is continuing its investigations. One new model of a children's chair is already undergoing field trials.

    Oral Contraceptives (Cervical Smears)

    asked the Minister of Health whether, in view of indications of a statistical connection between abnormal appearance in cervical smears and the use of oral contraceptives, he will initiate more widespread research into the possibility of a causative connection.

    I know of the suggestion that oral contraceptives influence cervical cytological appearances; the extent and significance of this is already being studied as part of the research into the effects of oral contraceptives and I am not aware of the need for more widespread research.

    Front For The Liberation Of Occupied South Yemen

    114.

    asked the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs what progress has been made in the discussions with leading members of the Front for the Liberation of Occupied South Yemen, in New York, Aden, or elsewhere.

    We have continuously made clear our readiness to get in touch with leading members of the Front for the Liberation of Occupied South Yemen. There is nothing further I can add at this stage.

    National Finance

    Anglo-American Investments

    112.

    asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer what is the approximate value in sterling of British investments in the United States of America and of United States investments in the United Kingdom.

    I regret that statistics of the total of investment in individual countries are not available.

    Passport (Mrs Henderson)

    113.

    asked the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs why he refused to issue a British passport to Mrs. Sarah Henderson, of 19, 49 Street, Rangoon, Burma, 81-year-old widow of a British subject, so that she will be able to leave Burma for Australia with her daughter, son-in-law and grandson; and if he will now do so.

    Mrs. Henderson ceased to be a British subject under the terms of Section 2 of the Burma Independence Act, 1947 and is therefore not eligible for a United Kingdom passport.

    Anglo-Italian Convention (Civil And Commercial Judgments)

    asked the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs (1) why the instruments of ratification of the Convention with the Republic of Italy for the reciprocal recognition and enforcement of judgments in civil and commercial matters have not yet been exchanged with the Government of Italy;

    (2) when he expects to exchange with the Government of Italy the instruments of ratification of the Convention with Italy for the reciprocal recognition and enforcement of judgments in civil and commercial matters.

    A minor technicality of a legal character is still awaiting settlement before this Convention will be ready to go through the constitutional processes which must precede ratification in Italy and this country.

    Aden

    asked the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs whether, in view of Great Britain's policy of only giving independence to a Government which represents the majority of a former possession, he is satisfied that the present administration in Aden represents a majority of the population there; and if he will make a statement.

    Although it would have been normal to hold elections in the Colony of Aden before independence, this is impossible in present conditions of intimidation by murder and terrorism. None the less the provisional constitution of the new Republic of South Arabia, of which Aden will form part, provides for elections on the basis of universal adult suffrage as soon as the essential administrative preparations have been completed and these should result in the formation of a government representative of the wishes of the majority of the population.

    Persian Gulf

    asked the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs whether, as a contribution to the peaceful security of the Persian Gulf, he will ensure that Great Britain only gives defensive protection to Governments there which enjoy democratic support.

    While I do not accept the implication that the present Governments of some States of the Persian Gulf do not enjoy the support of their peoples, it is Her Majesty's Government's policy to encourage all forms of evolution and development in the protected States. It is the maintenance of our treaty obligations that enables this process to be carried forward in conditions of peace and security.

    Overseas Development

    India (Durgapur Steelworks)

    115.

    asked the Minister for Overseas Development how much aid has been given by Her Majesty's Government to the Durgapur steelworks in India; and it he will make a statement about future aid for these works.

    In the period from 1958 to the end of March this year, aid loans totalling £68 million were made available by the British Government to the Government of India for Stages 1 and 2 of the Durgapur Steelworks, of which about £60 million had been spent.In addition, the British Government has, from 1957 onwards, provided technical assistance for the steelworks by training about 400 Indian engineers in the United Kingdom and making available the services of British staff to assist in managing and operating the plant and in design and constructional work. The cost to British public funds of this technical assistance has to date amounted to about £800,000.Since 1964 discussions have been taking place between the British Government and the Government of India, and between a consortium of British steel plant manufacturers and the Indian authorities, on the subject of a further expansion of the Durgapur Steelworks to increase its capacity from 1·6 million to 3·4 million tonnes.The decision of the Government of India on this proposed further expansion was announced on the 11th July by the Indian Minister of Steel, Mines and Metals. The Government of India has decided, for the present, to postpone the expansion. The Government of India have given as their reasons for taking this decision the slower growth than earlier anticipated in the demand for steel, and, in particular, for flat products; the estimated cost of the project and its foreign exchange component being in excess of the available resources; and the prior need of attaining normal production at the existing 1 million tones plant and the expansion of 1·6 million tones now nearing completion.

    Technology

    Sonic Bangs

    116.

    asked the Minister of Technology what precautions are being taken to avoid sonic boom damage to cathedrals, churches and other ancient buildings of major historical and architectural importance.

    Any sonic bangs made as a result of development flying or in the course of the special exercise announced last week in this House are kept well below the intensity likely to cause damage to buildings.

    asked the Minister of Technology how many sonic bangs have recently taken place over South Dorset; what proposals he has for future experiments; what consultation he has had with local authorities; and what plans he has to safeguard the amenities of those who live in the area.

    The tests now in progress would not serve the purpose for which they are being held if I were to give particulars of the numbers of bangs made or the areas in which they occurred at this stage. I shall publish full details later. Although there has been no direct consultation with local authorities, the general nature of the exercise and its purpose have been announced and widely reported. I shall consider what further tests, if any, should be held when the present exercise is finished. In so doing, I shall have the need to safeguard amenities very much in mind.

    Solicitors (Clients' Complaints)

    asked the Attorney-General if he will seek to set up a special committee to investigate complaints on which the Law Society refuses to take action.

    No. It is open to any person who feels aggrieved by the conduct of a solicitor, whether or not his complaint has already been investigated by the Law Society, to apply direct to the Disciplinary Committee, which is an independent body appointed by the Master of the Rolls under the Solicitors Act 1957. The Committee's address is 60, Carey Street, London, W.C.2.

    House Of Commons (Staff)

    asked the Lord President of the Council whether he will publish in the OFFICIAL REPORT the average weekly earnings, before and after overtime, of the staff of the House of Commons for which the Services Committee have responsibility.

    All full-time staff of the House of Commons are paid monthly, but the following staff are linked to a Civil Service weekly paid grade.

    Average weekly earnings
    Grade and NumberBefore OvertimeAfter Overtime
    £s.d.£s.d.
    Assistant Doorkeepers (9)1511117411
    Senior Attendants (Serjeant at Arms Dept.) (14)170717120
    Senior Attendants (Library) (2)1615320119
    Attendants (Serjeant at Arms Dept.) (11)1510415162
    Attendants (Library) (3)1541018118
    Attendant (Clerk's Dept.) (1)15261526
    Junior Attendants (Serjeant at Arms Dept.) (15)14621462
    Watchmen (8)131321453
    Rates of pay and conditions of service of all staff of the House of Commons are settled by the Commissioners of the House of Commons.

    asked the Lord President of the Council whether, in order to facilitate further modernisation of the House, he will ask the Services Committee to take immediate steps to improve the pay, conditions and number of the staff of the Commons.

    I fully appreciate the importance of this matter, and the question of pay and working conditions of the staff of the House is kept constantly under review by the Services Committee.

    Members Of Parliament Cafeteria (Charges)

    asked the Lord President of the Council whether he will state the wholesale cost and retail price charged for a pork pie in the Members' self-service cafeteria on the day before the introduction of the Government's wages, prices and salaries standstill and similar details for the latest convenient stated date.

    I have been asked to reply.The wholesale cost of a pork pie was 9s. per dozen prior to July, 1966. The present wholesale cost is 10s. per dozen. Prior to July, 1966 pork pies were sold by the Refreshment Department at 1s. 3d. each; the present price is 1s. 6d.

    asked the Lord President of the Council if he will publish in the OFFICIAL REPORT the cost price of either a single sausage or 1 lb. thereof to the Kitchen Committee at the time of the introduction of the Government's wages, prices and salary standstill, the charge made for a single cold sausage to the Members self-service cafeteria at that date, and similar details at the latest convenient stated date.

    I have been asked to reply.The wholesale cost of sausages was 3s. 7d. per lb. prior to July, 1966. The present wholesale cost is 3s. 9d. per lb. Prior to July, 1966, a single sausage was sold for 1s. 0d. by the Refreshment Department: the present price is 1s. 2d.

    asked the Lord President of the Council if he will state the cost to the Kitchen Committee of a ham sandwich at the date preceding the Government's introduction of the prices, wages and salaries standstill and the charge made for them in the Members self-service cafeteria; and what were the similar figures at the latest convenient stated date.

    I have been asked to reply.The wholesale cost of the ham used in ham sandwiches was 5s. 0d. per lb. prior to July, 1966. The present wholsale cost is 6s. 5d. per lb. Prior to July, 1966, ham sandwiches were sold for 1s. 6d. each by the Refreshment Department: the present price is 2s. 0d. each.

    Ministry Of Labour

    Port Industry (Industrial Training Board)

    asked the Minister of Labour when he intends to establish an industrial training board for the port industry.

    ESTIMATED NUMBERS OF MALE AND FEMALE EMPLOYEES (EMPLOYED AND UNEMPLOYED) IN ORDER X OF THE STANDARD INDUSTRIAL CLASSIFICATION (TEXTILES) AT MID-1950, MID-1960 AND MID-1966
    (thousands)
    Mid-1950Mid-1960Mid-1966
    MalesFemalesTotalMalesFemalesTotalMalesFemalesTotal
    Accrington3·45·38·72·03·25·21·72·33·9
    Great Harwood1·32·63·91·01·62·50·91·01·9
    Clayton-le-Moors*0·30·40·7
    Blackburn4·910·115·04·25·39·53·73·57·3
    Clitheroe0·81·52·30·61·21·80·40·81·2
    Darwen1·73·55·21·32·23·51·21·52·7
    Bolton13·218·832·09·215·024·26·29·515·7
    Farnworth2·84·27·01·02·23·30·91·52·4
    Horwick0·71·62·30·71·52·20·81·52·3
    West Houghton0·20·91·10·20·60·70·20·40·7
    Burnley5·38·413·72·64·77·32·53·35·8
    Colne2·63·25·82·22·14·32·01·73·8
    Nelson8·17·715·85·25·310·54·43·78·1
    Padiham1·22·33·51·01·82·80·61·01·6
    Bury4·84·29·04·23·98·13·02·75·8
    Heywood1·93·04·91·11·62·71·21·42·6
    Radcliffe2·12·95·01·41·52·90·90·91·8
    Ramsbottom2·22·04·21·81·63·41·61·43·0
    Atherton1·73·04·70·9l·82·70·81·22·0
    Leigh2·45·27·61·83·85·61·82·74·5
    Failsworth11·618·029·66·29·715·94·87·011·8
    Oldham and Chadderton
    Middleton3·53·77·22·02·34·31·61·53·1
    Royton3·13·56·62·02·74·71·31·83·1
    Shaw2·83·56·32·23·65·91·72·34·0
    Bamber Bridge1·11·72·80·81·52·30·71·01·7
    Chorley3·15·99·02·74·67·22·62·85·4
    Leyland0·71·11·80·40·71·00·30·60·9
    Preston5·58·714·35·26·211·44·73·88·5
    Littleborough2·01·93·91·71·53·31·51·42·9
    Rochdale11·314·425·79·911·020·910·210·620·8
    Bacup1·51·42·81·41·12·50·80·51·2
    Haslingden1·92·34·22·42·95·32·31·94·2
    Rawtenstall3·21·95·12·51·64·12·41·33·7
    Ashton-under-Lyne2·44·77·11·43·24·50·72·12·9
    Glossop2·02·54·51·31·02·31·11·12·2
    Hyde2·73·86·42·02·14·11·61·43·0
    Mossley1·71·63·40·80·81·60·70·51·2
    Stalybridge1·82·84·61·62·03·61·21·22·4
    Wigan2·06·07·92·04·16·11·43·44·9
    Hindley0·20·81·10·70·71·40·80·41·2
    Standish1·00·51·40·90·41·20·70·31·0
    Upholland0·20·30·20·2
    *Clayton-le-Moors Employment Exchange closed in September, 1957. Later figures are included in Accrington and Great Harwood Employment Exchange areas.

    I have no immediate plans to set up such a board but shall keep the position under review.

    Textile Industry (Employees)

    asked the Minister of Labour if he will state the number of men and women at present employed in the Textile industry in each of the towns in the textile areas of Lancashire and Northeast Cheshire and the comparative figures for 1960 and 1950.

    Industrial Training Levy (Demolition Firms)

    asked the Minister of Labour how much has been received in industrial training levy from demolition firms by the Construction Industry Training Board; and how much has been spent on demolition training schemes by the Board.

    The amount of levy received from demolition firms is not readily available. No grants have yet been paid by the Board in respect of demolition training, but general provision for grants for on-the-job training is included in the next grants' scheme which comes into effect in August. The Board has also conducted a survey of the training needs of demolition operatives and sent its report to the National Federation of Demolition Contractors. The specific grant provisions will depend on the outcome of discussions on the survey between the Federation and the Board.

    Social Security

    Family Incomes (North Fylde)

    asked the Minister of Social Security how many families in the North Fylde constituency had incomes amounting to less than would now be paid to a family qualifying for the supplementary benefit.

    Education And Science

    Flowers Report

    asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science to what extent the programme of the Flowers Report, Command Paper No. 2883, as set out on page 1, paragraph 3, has been achieved; and to what extent paragraph iv on page iii applies.

    The purchase of computers for universities to the total value of £6·5 million has been approved so far against the Flowers programme, which is being kept under review by the Computer Board. Further major provision is under consideration by the Board. It is still expected that the expenditure in the first three years will average about £3 million a year, as envisaged in paragraph (iv) on page iii of Command 2883, when account is taken of building and operating costs.Expenditure by the Research Councils on "off line" computers totalled nearly £2 million in the financial year 1966–67 and is expected to be £1·5 million in 1967–68.

    Home Department

    Official Forms

    asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department how many different types of official form were being used in his Department at the latest available date; and if he will give the equivalent numbers for October, 1964.

    Including forms printed in prison workshops for Home Office use, 2,114 in October, 1964 and 2,147 now.

    Breath Testing Devices (Purchase)

    asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department whether, in view of the recently announced bulk purchase of breathalysers, it is his intention that future purchases will be made by the Home Office or by the police authorities themselves.

    It is my intention that in due course police authorities should purchase breath testing devices themselves. I am consulting the local authority associations about the arrangements.

    Racecourse Betting Levy Board (Chairman)

    asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department when he intends to announce the name of the next chairman of the Racecourse Betting Levy Board.

    Unit Beat Policing

    asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department what reports he has received of the effectiveness of police panda patrols; and what plans he has for increasing them in the Metropolitan Police area.

    I have received a number of reports from chief officers of police which confirm my view that unit beat policing brings about a material increase in police efficiency. I intend to urge chief officers and police authorities to make all possible progress with introducing the system.As I said on 22nd June in reply to a Supplementary Question by the hon. Member for Bromley (Mr. Hunt), the Commissioner of Police of the Metropolis plans to introduce the system in two more sub-divisions shortly—probably this year—and in the whole of the 11 outer divisions of the Force as soon as practicable. —[Vol. 748, c. 1919–20.]

    Ministry Of Power

    North Sea Gas And Oil (Exploration Programmes)

    asked the Minister of Power whether, in view of the difficulties with regard to the security of oil supplies in the Middle East and Nigeria, he will take steps to encourage all the consortia engaged in North Sea gas and oil exploration to intensify and accelerate their exploration programmes to the maximum degree possible by offering them adequate and suitable inducements to that end.

    Public Building And Works

    Lancaster House Reception (Food Poisoning)

    asked the Minister of Public Building and Works if he is aware that, following a reception at Lancaster House given by Her Majesty's Government to the Italian Prime Minister, a number of guests have suffered from salmonella typhomulium; and what steps he intends to take to prevent a recurrence.

    I would refer the hon. Member to the reply I gave to similar Questions by my hon. Friend the Member for The Wrekin (Mr. Fowler) on Monday, 10th July.—[Vol. 750, c. 15–16.]

    Wales

    Elected Council For Wales

    asked the Secretary of State for Wales if the Welsh Economic Council or the Welsh Economic Planning Board have been invited to give their views to him on the question of an Elected Council for Wales.

    The Welsh Economic Council were invited in 1966 to comment on an Interim Memorandum which discussed various proposals including some relating to all-Wales machinery. The officials who are members of the Welsh Planning Board are responsible to Ministers and their advice is always available in the conduct of departmental business.

    Local Broadcasting Station

    asked the Secretary of State for Wales if he will request the Welsh Economic Council to give their observations upon the desirability of establishing a local broadcasting station in Wales.

    I would refer my hon. Friend to the reply given to him on 11th July, 1967 by my right hon. Friend the Postmaster-General.—[Vol. 750, c. 63.]