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Written Answers

Volume 754: debated on Thursday 23 November 1967

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Written Answers To Questions

Thursday, 23rd November, 1967

Telephone Service

Std (Aldergrove Airport)

6.

asked the Postmaster-General when the public telephones at Aldergrove Airport will be changed to subscriber trunk dialling instead of being connected to a small country exchange.

Arrangements are already in hand to provide S.T.D. facilities for the public telephones at Alder-grove Airport early next year.

Waiting List (Ballymoney)

7.

asked the Postmaster-General how many people are on the waiting list for telephones in the Ballymoney area; and what is the delay in installation of a telephone from the time of first application.

Forty-three at 31st October, 1967, with an average waiting period of five months. The majority should be given service by the end of this month, and none should be waiting at the end of December.

Shared Lines

14.

asked the Postmaster-General by what authority managers of telephone services make a prospective client agree to the sharing of a telephone; and how long he anticipates it will be before it is possible to stop the sharing of lines.

Since 1948, under the general authority of the Telephone Regulations, all residential telephone applicants have been required to accept a liability to share. Our aim is to offer exclusive service as soon as local conditions permit, but we cannot forecast when the sharing condition will be removed entirely.

Kiosks (Yarmouth)

43.

asked the Postmaster-General how many public callboxes in the Yarmouth constituency are on party lines.

None, but 5 are connected by switching the lines from nearby sub-post offices.

Telephone Booths (House Of Commons)

45.

asked the Postmaster-General when all the telephone booths in the Cloisters of the House of Commons will be adjusted so that the dials are in a convenient position and at not too great a height; and when the cupboards underneath the tables will be removed.

Two have been modified. If these meet with the approval of the Services Committee the remainder will be altered similarly during the Christmas Recess.

Rental

51.

asked the Postmaster-General if he will amend Post Office regulations so that a year's rental in advance for telephones is not charged to new subscribers which are charitable bodies.

No. I have much sympathy with charities and other deserving bodies, but I cannot make concessions to meet the needs of individual groups of subscribers.

54.

asked the Postmaster-General if he is aware that a resident of Barking, of whose name he has been informed, has been obliged by local authority redevelopment to move house and therefore to have his telephone transferred, that this subscriber has paid his quarterly account for 14 years but has now been charged a year's rental of £14 in advance, plus a £10 connection charge; and if he will reconsider his decision not to reduce these charges.

My right hon. Friend has withdrawn the requirement of a year's rental in advance for removing subscribers. He is sorry that he cannot make this retrospective. Connection charges depend on the work which has to be done.

Telephone Directories

56.

asked the Postmaster-General whether he will ask the National Board for Prices and Incomes to examine whether or not the increases in charges for heavy type entries in classified telephone directories are justified.

57.

asked the Postmaster-General what is the total annual expenditure on advertising Post Office telephone directories; and what has been the cost since 1st January, 1967 of printing and delivering brochures advertising the Yellow Page Southampton directory.

We plan to spend £250,000 during the two years ending March, 1968, most of it in this financial year.The figure for Southampton is about £8,500, charging delivery at postal rates.

Post Office

Postmen (National Front Movement)

31.

asked the Postmaster-General what information he has about members of the National Front Movement who are employed as postmen and fail to deliver mail addressed to people with distinctively racial names; and if he will make investigations and institute a method of random checking in the South-West Essex and East London areas.

None. If the hon. Gentleman has any information and will make it available to me I will make investigations.

Post-War Credits (Forms)

40.

asked the Postmaster-General whether he is aware that forms are still being used in post offices stating that post-war credits can only be drawn when a woman reaches the age of 58 and a man the age of 63; and, in view of the fact that such information is misleading and deters many people from applying for the return of their loans for three years, if he will order the withdrawal of all such forms from circulation.

I am sorry that a few post offices have issued old post-war credit forms. These are now being withdrawn.

Post Offices, Reddish

46.

asked the Postmaster-General what action he will take to improve Post Office services in the Reddish area of Stockport, and in particular the setting up of sub-post offices in the Bull's Head and Marbury Estate districts.

The Reddish area is already adequately provided with post offices. The particular places mentioned by my hon. Friend are served by offices in neighbouring districts and my right hon. Friend is sorry but he would not be justified in opening additional offices.

Special Stamps

48.

asked the Postmaster-General if he will list the philatelic and financial successes of his recent policy of issuing a variety of new pictorial postage stamps as compared with his previous practice; and if he will state his relevant plans for the next 12 months.

The Philatelic Bureau in Edinburgh and the philatelic counter at the London Chief Office between them contributed over £1¼ million to Post Office revenue in the 12 months to October, 1967. Of this £150,000 came from overseas sales. For the second part of the question I would refer my hon. and learned Friend to the reply my right hon. Friend gave to my hon. Friend the Member for Bristol, North-West (Mr. Ellis) on 20th November.—[Vol. 754, c. 266.]

Counter Staff

50.

asked the Postmaster-General on what basis the allocation of counter clerks is made in minor post offices.

The aim is to provide enough staff at all post office counters to give a satisfactory service to the public. There are techniques for assessing staffing requirements at Crown Offices. If the hon. and gallant Gentleman has a particular case in mind I will glady look into it.

Overseas Telegraph Service (Small Users)

55.

asked the Postmaster-General why he has discriminated against small firms by closing their overseas telegram accounts and denying them the service of Post Office messengers, unless they spend more than £150 per annum on overseas telegrams.

It is not economic to provide special telegraph accounts and collection facilities for relatively small users of the overseas telegraph service. Nevertheless, a firm, whose traffic does not justify keeping one of these accounts, may still send in its overseas telegrams by telephone or telex and have the charges included in its telephone or telex bill. Indeed, the majority of business telegrams are sent in by these means and there is no charge for the calls.

National Insurance Stamps (Commission)

asked the Postmaster-General why he is reducing the payments to sub-postmasters of the commission due to them on the sale of insurance stamps, bearing in mind the extra responsibility and the constant rise in the expenses of maintaining their post offices.

My proposals were designed to restrain a rise in remuneration following increases in the face value of national insurance stamps; this rise would have been greater than the circumstances warranted. The issue was referred to the Civil Service Arbitration Tribunal, whose award is now being implemented.

Sub-Postmasters (Remuneration)

asked the Postmaster-General if he will take steps to ensure that an adequate scale of salaries is paid to sub-postmasters bearing in mind the social benefits of rural post offices.

The remuneration of sub-postmasters is reviewed regularly to ensure its adequacy.

Departmental Staff (Young People)

asked the Postmaster-General what percentage, in ratio to population, is employed as junior apprentices in his Department in Scotland, England and Wales.

I understand that my hon. Friend has in mind young people under 18 years of age. The percentages are 0·05, 0·06 and 0·05 respectively of the working population.

Surface Mails (New York)

asked the Postmaster-General why parcels posted by firms in Worcestershire to go by surface mail to New York are taking up to seven weeks.

Parcels should normally reach New York in two to three weeks. A further period will then be taken up in customs clearance and delivery. Unfortunately, recent difficulties in our own ports have delayed the dispatch of surface mails to overseas countries generally. If the hon. Gentleman will let me have details of individual cases of delay I shall be glad to investiggate them.

Forms (Welsh Language)

asked the Postmaster-General what further steps he is taking to cater for the needs of Welsh-speaking customers.

asked the Postmaster-General, in view of the refusal of the magistrates at Bangor and Blaenau Ffestiniog to fine or demand costs from persons found guilty of using television and radio sets without a licence but who had offered to pay for the licences on condition that they were published in the Welsh language, whether he will make a statement of his policy for bilingual forms and licences in Wales.

Since the passing of the Welsh Language Act I have been considering to what extent it would be practicable to extend the use of the Welsh language on the principal public forms (including licences) handled by post offices in Wales. In doing so, I have to take into account, among other things:

  • (i) whether it would be reasonable for the additional cost involved to be borne by the users of services concerned, or the taxpayers as a whole;
  • (ii) the problems which might arise in dealing with those types of forms which are processed centrally;
  • (iii) the complications at our counters where forms completed in Welsh might have to be handled by non-Welsh-speaking staff.
  • Wireless And Television

    Bbc2 And Colour Television (Little Connard)

    32.

    asked the Postmaster-General why the British Broadcasting Corporation is now unable before 1968 to meet the forecast first made in respect of 1966, to operate a new transmitter and aerial mast at Little Connard, near Sudbury, for B.B.C.2 programmes and colour television; and whether a firm date can yet be given.

    The construction time-table for the B.B.C.'s stations is the Corporation's responsibility. They tell me that there has been some delay in the manufacture of the aerial which is now expected to be delivered in the new year. Given fair weather for fitting and testing the aerial, the station should open early next year.

    Bbc And Ita (Sporting Events)

    36.

    asked the Postmaster-General whether he will take steps to restrict the British Broadcasting Corporation and Independent Television Authority from entering into exclusive sports contracts in order to ensure that equal facilities are made available to both bodies.

    No. By long standing agreement the broadcasting organisations do not seek exclusive rights in certain major sporting events of national interest. In general, however, they are meant to compete with one another.

    Bbc2 Reception (North East)

    44.

    asked the Postmaster-General if he is aware of the dissatisfaction in the North East at the poor reception of B.B.C.2; and what he proposes to do to improve it.

    The B.B.C. tells me that, within the coverage area of their transmitter at Pontop Pike, reception of B.B.C.2, with its colour content, should be generally satisfactory. The coverage area will extend with the opening of a further main station at Bilsdale towards the end of next year; and of relay stations at Hexham next year and Fenham later.

    Regional Broadcasts (Members Of Parliament)

    47.

    asked the Postmaster-General what official communication he has received from the British Broadcasting Corporation regarding restrictions on broadcasts from local radio stations by Members of Parliament or local councillors on political matters.

    49.

    asked the Postmaster-General what undertaking he has received from the British Broadcasting Corporation regarding the rules for political discussion which will be applied in local radio stations and in particular on Merseyside Radio.

    None. The Corporation are of course already under a duty to treat controversial subjects with due impartiality. This duty applies to broadcasts from local stations just as it applies to the B.B.C.'s national and regional broadcasts.

    Television (Satellites)

    52 and 53.

    asked the Postmaster-General (1) when he estimates that television transmissions will be made available by direct-broadcast synchronism satellites placed in orbit by private or public enterprise in the United Kingdom;(2) what plans he has to impose restrictions on the receipt of television programmes made available by direct-broadcast satellites; what criteria he will employ in deciding the character of such restrictions; and what steps Her Majesty's Government are taking to ensure that suitable orbital trajectories are reserved for British direct-broadcast satellites.

    I am advised that, for the foreseeable future, there is no practical likelihood in the United Kingdom of direct reception in the home of television programmes broadcast or rebroadcast by satellites. The question of imposing restrictions on such reception does not therefore arise.It is also premature to decide in detail the orbital position of broadcasting satellites. This will be a matter for international discussion in which the United Kingdom will play its full part.

    Pay Television

    asked the Postmaster-General what, for any recent convenient representative period, has been the average weekly payment per subscriber for each of the two areas, namely Southwark and Westminster on the one hand, and Sheffield on the other, in respect of the experimental pay television scheme operating in those areas.

    As I told the hon. Member in my reply to him of 9th November, I propose to review the experiment in the near future. The information the hon. Member seeks will be considered along with other relevant information, in the whole context of the review.—[Vol. 753, c. 145.]

    Radio Times (Price Increase)

    asked the Postmaster-General whether he referred the 30 per cent. price increase of the Radio Times to the National Board for Prices and Incomes.

    Periodicals are not included in the Government's early warning arrangements and I was not notified or consulted about the increase. I do not think a reference to the Board is called for.

    Wales

    Outstation Rent Office, Rhondda

    60.

    asked the Secretary of State for Wales, whether he will take steps to establish an outstation rent office in Rhondda on one or two days a week, since the work load of the Rent Officer for sub-area number two of the county of Glamorgan consists of more than 50 per cent. of Rhondda cases.

    This is something to be considered initially by the Clerk of Glamorgan County Council.

    Rhayader (Expansion Plan)

    61.

    asked the Secretary of State for Wales what progress there has been in the discussions about the Expansion Plan for Rhayader; and whether he will make a statement.

    It was agreed in July to arrange further technical investigations. Most of the results have recently been received and they are now being studied.

    Local Government Reorganisation

    62.

    asked the Secretary of State for Wales what consultations he intends to have with the Rural District Councils Association in Wales, on the recommendations of the White Paper on Welsh Local Government.

    The Rural District Councils Association which represents all rural district councils in England and Wales, will be meeting me on 28th November.

    Rhayader (Expansion Plan)

    asked the Secretary of State for Wales whether he will state the number of applications which have been received by the local planning authority for permission to develop within the area of the Rhayader Expansion Plan, the number allowed, the number held up by the Roads division of his department, the number of appeals pending; and how many decisions have been made the last two years.

    In the last two years 53 applications were received by Radnorshire County Council, as local planning authority, for planning permission for development within the area of the Rhayader Expansion Plan. Forty of these applications were allowed. No application is at present under consideration by Roads Division, Welsh Office. Two appeals against decisions of the local planning authority have been made during the last two years. One was withdrawn and the other is under consideration.

    Development Commission Factories

    asked the Secretary of State for Wales what factories have been built, are being built, or are to be built by the Development Commission in Wales since October, 1964.

    Six new factories and extensions to three existing factories have been completed since October, 1964; two more extensions are under construction and work on four new factories is either in hand or will commence shortly.

    asked the Secretary of State for Wales what is the total number of Development Commission factories tenanted since October, 1964 in Wales; what employment has resulted; and what Development Commission factories not yet completed have been let.

    Six new factories financed by the Development Commission have been completed and occupied providing employment for over 300 people.In addition extensions, which should provide about 150 additional jobs over the next five years, have been built at three other factories.Two uncompleted factories have been let, and two further factories have been allocated but are not yet built or let.

    Education And Science

    Conservation Corps

    63.

    asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science what requests he has received for additional financial assistance for the Conservation Corps; and if he will make a statement.

    None, Sir. I have invited the Corps, through the Council for Nature, to submit its application for grant for 1968–69. In the current financial year the Department is making a Headquarters Grant of £3,450 to the Corps and I understand that the Nature Conservancy have made a payment for work done of £1,500.

    Comprehensive Education

    64.

    asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science if he will state the present progress achieved towards the reorganisation of secondary education along comprehensive lines; and how many local education authorities have changed over or have schemes approved for future change.

    Out of a total of 162 local education authorities, 101 now have schemes covering the whole or part of their area either implemented or approved.

    New University, Cheltenham

    65.

    asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science what action he has taken, when negotiating the establishment of further universities, to ensure that an appropriate site is reserved in the Cheltenham area.

    National Theatre

    66.

    asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science what discussions he has had with the Greater London Council over the financial provisions for the building of the new National Theatre; and whether agreement has now been reached.

    The position of the Government remains unchanged. They are prepared to share the cost of the National Theatre equally with the Greater London Council, subject to a maximum contribution, related to costs at tender stage, of £3¾ million. The South Bank Theatre Board received the detailed plans and estimates from the architects earlier this month and these are now being studied by my Department and the Council.

    British Film Institute

    67.

    asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science what progress is being made in developing the work of the National Film Institute.

    The British Film Institute has now established 16 regional film theatres and there are plans for 19 more. The Institute has given grants for the production of 17 experimental films, and new storage buildings for the National Film Archive will be completed next year.

    University Of The Air

    68.

    asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science what progress is being made in translating the University of the Air proposal into reality.

    As I told my hon. Friend the Member for Hampstead (Mr. Whitaker) on 17th November, a planning committee is now at work and preparations are going ahead on the basis that the University will be launched by the autumn of 1970.—[Vol. 754, c. 202.]

    Open University

    69.

    asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science whether he proposes the Planning Committee of the Open University will conduct a pilot scheme; and if he will take into consideration the equipment and facilities already available at the Universities of Strathclyde and Glasgow for such a purpose.

    I know that the Universities of Strathclyde and Glasgow, like a number of other universities, are doing valuable work in closed-circuit television. But it must be left to the Planning Committee, and, later on, the Open University authority as independent bodies to decide their own policy.

    Russell Papers

    70.

    asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science what action he is taking to prevent the export of the Russell Papers.

    No application has been received for an export licence in respect of the Russell Papers. If one were received it would be treated in accordance with the normal rules governing the export of manuscripts, documents and archives.

    Corporal Punishment

    71.

    asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science what is the guidance given by his Department to local education authorities on corporal punishment regulations, with particular reference to special schools for physically handicapped and maladjusted children.

    My right hon. Friend hopes to be able to offer some guidance very shortly.

    School Place, Greater London Area (Cost)

    72.

    asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science if he will give an estimate of the average cost of providing a school place in the Greater London area, compared with the average cost of the rest of Great Britain.

    The Answer shows that, while the basic net cost of the school building is similar, the average gross cost, including external works, is some 8 per cent. higher in Greater London than in the rest of England and Wales. I cannot answer for Scotland.The figures are as follows:

    AVERAGE COST ON TENDER OF BUILDING SCHOOL PLACES, JULY-DECEMBER, 1966
    Basic nett cost per placeTotal cost per place
    ££
    PRIMARY
    Greater London202258
    Rest of England and Wales200237
    SECONDARY
    Greater London352468
    Rest of England and Wales361434
    Notes:
    (1)"Basic nett cost" is the cost of building within the external walls including normal foundations, and the statutory hard paved play area.
    (2) The total cost includes the cost of any external works, including preparation of playing fields, and of any special expenditure due to abnormal sites.
    (3) All figures exclude the cost of land acquisition, professional fees and furniture and equipment, unless built-in.

    Primary Schools, Somerset (Minor Works Allocation)

    73.

    asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science what additional money he intends to make available for urgent sanitary and other improvements in Somerset primary schools.

    My right hon. Friend has just notified the Somerset Authority of their minor works allocation for 1968–69, which is higher than the corresponding figure for the current year. It is for the Authority to decide the purposes for which the resources are used.

    Old School Buildings

    asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science (1) what is the number of schools in Wales built prior to 1875 and 1900, respectively;(2) what percentage of Welsh schools were built prior to 1875 and 1900, respectively;

    (3) what percentage of schools in England were built prior to 1875 and prior to 1900, respectively.

    The only available information is in the School Building Survey, 1962, relating to the periods prior to 1875 and 1903. The details, which are now somewhat out of date, in respect of maintained schools, are as follows:

    Age of oldest main buildings still in use in 1962 for teaching purposes
    Prior to 1875Prior to 1903
    WALES
    Number of schools6001,455
    Percentage of schools23·657·1
    ENGLAND
    Percentage of schools26·151·8

    Compulsory Education (Foreign Countries)

    asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science if he will state, from information available to him from international sources, up to what age, and for how many years, formal education is compulsory in the United States of America, France, Western Germany, Italy, Canada, Australia and Japan; and in which countries in the world formal education is compulsory for longer than it is at present in the United Kingdom.

    The following table contains the information requested in the first part of the question.

    COMPULSORY EDUCATION
    Age rangeYears duration
    *U.S.A.5/6–1610
    France6–1610
    †Western Germany6–159
    Italy6–148
    ‡Canada6 or 7–14 to 167–10
    Australia6–159
    Japan6–159
    * There are slight variations between one State and another.
    † The age-range extends only to 14 in some Läander. Pupils above the age of 14 or 15 not attending school full-time are required to attend a part-time vocational school (one or two days a week) until they are 18.
    ‡ The figures vary from one Province to another.
    The answer to the second part of the Question, so far as I am aware, is "None".

    Teachers' Salaries

    asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science if he will now refer the salaries of teachers to the National Board for Prices and Incomes.

    Home Department

    Prisons (Industrial Training)

    74.

    asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department what action is being taken to extend to other prisons the industrial training given in Gloucester Prison with equipment donated by a local industrial firm.

    Similar arrangements with private firms already apply to about 1,700 inmates of prisons, borstals and detention centres in England and Wales and I hope to extend them. I am grateful to all the firms who are helping to provide useful work and training for inmates.

    Probation Service (Hertfordshire)

    75.

    asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department, whether he is aware that the establishment of the probation service in Hertfordshire is appreciably below the authorised number; and what action he proposes to improve the situation by way of making the remuneration and career prospects of the service more attractive.

    The establishment of basic grade officers in the Hertfordshire probation service is 41; the present strength is 37. Salary negotiations for probation officers are due to begin shortly. During 1967 there has been a planned increase in the number of supervisory posts in the probation service in England and Wales, with a resultant improvement in career prospects.

    Commonwealth Immigrants

    76.

    asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department what has been the cost to public funds of returning immigrants to their countries of origin because they evaded immigration control.

    Horserace Betting Levy Board (Chairman's Duties)

    asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department how much time the last Chairman of the Horserace Betting Levy Board devoted to these duties; how much time the next one will devote to them; and when he intends to announce the salary of the new one.

    The last Chairman of the Board spent up to four days a week on these duties. The new Chairman intends to spend rather more. I have approved a recommendation of the Board that he should be paid a salary of £4,800 a year.

    Protection Racketeers (St James's Area)

    asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department whether he will take action to stamp out the protection racketeers whose activities have led to the blowing up of the restaurant at the Economist and other catering establishments in the St. James area.

    The Commissioner of Police informs me that his investigations disclose nothing to suggest any connection between the explosion and fire at the Economist Building and a protection racket; and that the other two fires in the St. James's area this year appear to have been started accidentally.

    Roadside Breath Tests

    asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department if he will call for reports from chief constables stating how many drivers in the North-Western area, the Metropolitan area and England and Wales as a whole, have been made to take the breathalyser test since the introduction of the Road Safety Act; in how many cases proceedings have been taken; and how many tests were found to be within the safety limit; and if he will make a statement.

    The following figures relate to roadside breath tests required by the police during the period 9th to 31st October inclusive. Statistics of prosecutions are not available.

    Number of tests requiredNumber considered "positive"*Failures†
    Metropolitan Police District82329923
    North-Western Area‡218859
    England and Wales2,7911,029102
    * "Positive" means considered by the officer conducting the test to justify arrest on the grounds that the results indicated a proportion of alcohol in the blood in excess of the prescribed limit.
    † "Failures" include refusals to take the test.
    ‡ The police areas within the counties of Cheshire, Cumberland, Lancashire and Westmorland.

    Overseas Development

    Multilateral Aid Agencies (British Exports)

    77.

    asked the Minister of Overseas Development what studies he has made of the extent to which total contributions to international multilateral aid agencies have increased British exports.

    This matter is under continuing study by my Department. Material is not available or published for all the major multilateral aid agencies, but our calculations indicate that in the years 1965 and 1966 British exports financed by I.B.R.D. and I.D.A. were greater in value than the United Kingdom Government contributions in those years to all the major multilateral aid agencies combined. The called-up part of our subscriptions to the I.B.R.D. and I.F.C. was, however, fully paid up before those years.

    Economic Affairs

    Development Areas And Northern Region

    78.

    asked the Secretary of State for Economic Affairs what is the total financial support, in grants, loans, advance factories and training provisions for the development areas and the Northern Region, respectively, for the period 1965 to 1967; what is the current annual rate; and how this compares with the average annual provision for the 10 years preceding 1964.

    The total amounts of assistance made available under the Local Employment Acts in the period from 1st April, 1965, to 1st April, 1967, in the development areas (or districts) and in the Northern Region, were £97·7 million and £29·5 million respectively. Comparable average annual amounts in the period from 1st April, 1960 to 31st March, 1964 were £30·2 million and £5·5 million respectively. These figures do not include investment grants and the Regional Employment Premium, nor the earlier arrangements for free depreciation.The Ministry of Labour's assistance to firms in development areas for industrial training in the period from 1st April, 1965 to 1st April, 1967 totalled £860,000 in all of which £260,000 was in the Northern Region. These figures do not fully reflect the improvement in the grant system introduced on 1st April, 1966 and 16th October, 1967. Prior to 1st September, 1964 grants for training were paid under the Local Employment Acts. The cost cannot be separately distinguished.

    Price Increases

    asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer what plans he has for setting up efficient mechanism to control unjustified price increases not associated with the devaluation of the £ sterling.

    I have been asked to reply.The existing machinery of the voluntary early warning arrangements and the provision for reference to the National Board for Prices and Incomes for investigation will be fully utilised. These arrangements where necessary can be supported by the reserve powers of the Prices and Incomes Acts, 1966 and 1967.

    Telecommunications Industry (Industrial Reorganisation Corporation's Report)

    asked the Secretary of State for Economic Affairs what progress has been made with the investigation by the Industrial Reorganisation Corporation into the future structure of the telecommunications industry.

    The Industrial Reorganisation Corporation have presented their report on the telecommunications industry which is being studied by the Government.

    Commonwealth Affairs

    Expo 67 (Wales)

    79.

    asked the Secretary of State for Commonwealth Affairs why Wales was excluded from the British Pavilion at Expo 67 in Canada.

    I would refer the hon. Member to the replies given to the hon. Member for Carmarthen (Mr. Gwynfor Evans) on 26th January and 14th February, 1967. I have nothing to add to those replies.—[Vol. 739, c. 356–7; Vol. 741, c. 329–30.]

    Rhodesia

    asked the Secretary of State for Commonwealth Affairs whom Her Majesty's Government recognises as the present leaders of majority African opinion in Rhodesia for the purposes of finding an acceptable settlement.

    No precise answer can be given to this Question, in particular because of the division of African nationalist opinion into two main parties and because both have been banned and their leaders detained. The position remains that no settlement would be acceptable to Her Majesty's Government that was not acceptable to the people of Rhodesia as a whole.

    British Honduras

    asked the Secretary of State for Commonwealth Affairs if he will state his policy in regard to the future of British Honduras.

    I have nothing to add to the reply given on 24th October to the hon. Member for Watford (Mr. Raphael Tuck).—[Vol. 751, c. 407–8.]

    Bahamas (Report On Casinos)

    asked the Secretary of State for Commonwealth Affairs when the report of the Commission of Inquiry into the operation of casinos in the Bahamas will be published.

    The report was published in Nassau on 20th November. Copies of the report are now available in the Vote Office.

    Local Government

    Wash Reclamation Scheme

    80.

    asked the Minister of Housing and Local Government if he will authorise a feasibility study of a Wash reclamation scheme.

    I am considering a suggestion from the Water Resources Board for a desk study of a barrage for fresh water storage in the Wash, and a barrage might lead to some reclamation of land.

    Housing

    Option Mortgage Scheme

    81.

    asked the Minister of Housing and Local Government what effect the Government's new economic measures will have on their mortgage option scheme.

    Present indications are that the option mortgage scheme is unlikely to be affected in any significant way.

    Nos 1–9 Colville Gardens, Kensington (Representations)

    asked the Minister of Housing and Local Government what representations he has received from the Kensington and Chelsea Borough Council asking for a grant in respect of the former Rachman and Bowen Davies properties, 1 to 9 Colville Gardens; and what reply he has sent.

    My right hon. Friend has received no representations from the council about these properties, but he is looking into the letter which my hon. Friend has sent him about them.

    Furnished Tenancies

    asked the Minister of Housing and Local Government what advice is given by his Department to tenants and tenants' organisations as to whether rented furnished accommodation is furnished in accordance with regulations under the Rent Act.

    The Furnished Houses (Rent Control) Act, 1946, applies where the amount of the rent fairly attributable to the use of the furniture, having regard to its value to the tenant, forms a substantial proportion of the whole rent; otherwise the rent regulation provisions in the Rent Act, 1965, apply in the normal way. Whether the amount is substantial in a particular case depends on the circumstances and the rent tribunal or the rent officer can advise further having regard to the facts.My right hon. Friend has no power to advise in particular cases.

    asked the Minister of Housing and Local Government in how many cases recently the courts have decided that accommodation alleged to be, and rented as, furnished lettings were in fact unfurnished.

    I regret that this information is not available, but I am aware of two recent cases where it has been reported that tenancies regarded by the landlords as furnished were held by the county courts to be unfurnished.

    Aviation

    Gatwick Airport (Night Movements)

    82.

    asked the President of the Board of Trade why there is to be no limit on the number of night jet flights at Gatwick Airport.

    I do not consider that the volume of traffic at Gatwick next summer will be sufficient to necessitate a limit on the number of night movements. I will keep under review the need for a limit in 1969.

    Boac (Boeing Aircraft)

    83.

    asked the President of the Board of Trade what effect devaluation will have upon the purchase price of Boeing 707 and 747 aircraft ordered by British Overseas Airways Corporation.

    The dollar price of Boeing aircraft already ordered by B.O.A.C. will not be changed. In sterling terms the two Boeing 707 freighters will together cost about £1 million more and the six Boeing 747 aircraft, with initial spares, about £9 million more. Orders have not yet been Placed for the five additional Boeing 747s recently approved and no final prices have been negotiated.

    Air Fares And Freight Rates (Devaluation)

    84.

    asked the President of the Board of Trade what estimate he has made of the effect devaluation will have upon the earnings of British nationalised and independent airline operators in the period up to November, 1968.

    An Emergency Conference of the International Air Transport Association is currently considering revision of international air fares and freight rates to take account of devaluation. The decisions will be subject to the approval of the Governments concerned. Meanwhile no reliable estimate of the effect of devaluation on the earnings of British airlines can be made.

    Board Of Trade

    Advance Factories

    asked the President of the Board of Trade how many advance factories have been built in the Central West Fife area; and how many have been tenanted by industrial firms.

    Four, of which three are occupied. Four others are under construction.

    asked the President of the Board of Trade if he is aware that a Board of Trade advance factory is still untenanted at Ashington, Northumberland; and when he expects to secure an effective tenant.

    Yes. I hope shortly to complete our discussions with the applicant mentioned in my reply of 25th October.—[Vol. 751, c. 498.]

    asked the President of the Board of Trade why he cannot reveal the number of men employed in those advance factories in Wales which have been built and tenanted since 1964.

    As I have already told the hon. Member in my letter of 14th November, we treat as confidential information which could reveal the business of individual undertakings.

    Import Duties (Goods And Machinery)

    asked the President of the Board of Trade whether import duties will be payable on the increased cost, resulting from devaluation, of goods and machinery previously ordered from abroad, bearing in mind that this would have the effect of compounding the extra burden.

    To the extent that the import prices of such goods and machinery increase as a result of devaluation, ad valorem duties will be chargeable on the increased prices.

    Long-Term Contracts

    asked the President of the Board of Trade if he will take steps to give relief to those firms which, acting on Her Majesty's Government's assurances that there would be no devaluation, entered into long-term contracts to supply at fixed prices goods which contain a large element of imported materials.

    Computers (Friden Collectadata System)

    asked the President of the Board of Trade what further consideration he has given to the eligibility of the Friden Collectadata system as computer equipment within the terms of the Industrial Development Act, 1966; and whether such peripheral and ancillary equipment supplied as part of a computer system and essential for its operation is now eligible for a grant.

    We are still considering this, and I will write to my hon. Friend as soon as we have reached a decision.

    New Industrial Estates

    asked the President of the Board of Trade how many jobs he estimates will be provided at the new major industrial estate at Bridgend; and over what period of time.

    When fully developed, the new estate could provide 7,000–10,000 jobs, dependent on the types of industries attracted to it. I am not able, at this stage, to estimate the length of time which full development will need.

    asked the President of the Board of Trade what is the location of the new industrial estate for Ayr which he announced on 15th November, 1967; what is the acreage of the site; and when work is to commence on its construction.

    We hope to select a site of about 50 acres very shortly, and to begin its development as soon as we have been able to acquire the land.

    National Finance

    Foreign Loans

    asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer if he will give in

    AmountOutstanding at 31st October, 1967
    LoansDateExternal currencies millionsSterling* £ millionsRepayment DatesExternal currencies millionsSterling† £ millions
    American line of creditDec.,1945$3,7509311951–2000‡$3,0891,103
    Canadian line of creditMar., 1946$1,1852971951–2000‡$976323
    South AfricaOct., 1947Gold80Repaid Sept., 1949
    Economic Co-operation Administration.Oct., 1948$336861956–198327699
    BelgiumSept., 1949B.Fcs. 2881Repaid by June, 1951
    PortugalSept., 1949831955–197324
    E.P.U. Loan—liquidated in 1959 into a series of repayments to individual countries totalling £167 million:Sept., 1950218
    AustriaMar., 1959Au. Sch. 19631959–1960
    BelgiumApril, 1959B.Fcs. 3,305241959–1961
    DenmarkApril, 1959D.Kr. 7Less than 11959
    GreeceMay, 1959Dr. 32Less than 11959
    GermanyApril, 1959Dmks. 1,125961959–1971Dmks. 33130
    ItalyApril, 1959Lira 12,60071959–1961
    NetherlandsApril, 1959Gldrs. 222211959–1961
    SwedenApril, 1959Sw.Kr. 12491959–1961
    SwitzerlandMay, 1959Sw.Fcs. 8671959–1960
    Mutual Security AidMar., 1952$48171960–19874416
    BelgiumJune, 1952B.Fcs' 1,25091955
    Export-Import BankFeb., 1957$250891958–1965 (repaid in full 29.10.59)
    SwitzerlandOct., 1961Sw.Fcs. 215181964
    Export-Import Bank line of credit—Military Air-craft Loans.April, 1966$52191966–1973$4516
    Jan., 1966$34121966–1973$2911
    Aug., 1966$184661967–1974$18466
    July, 1967$56201968–1975$5620
    Swiss Bank ConsortiumOct., 1967Sw.Fcs. 450371968Sw.Fcs. 45037
    * At rates applicable to date of loan.
    † At rates applicable at 31st October, 1967.
    ‡ Subject to deferment of annual payments. So far there have been three, in 1957, 1964 and 1965

    column form all the foreign loans secured by successive British Governments since the end of the war, showing the date when agreed, the amounts, the date of repayments and the amounts still outstanding, respectively.

    Foreign loans secured by British Governments since the end of the war are listed below. They do not include drawings on the International Monetary Fund. As transactions with this Fund since the war have been numerous I would refer the hon. Member to International Financial Statistics, a copy of which publication is available in the Library of the House and which contains a full list.

    Devaluation

    85.

    asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer what was the estimated cost to the country of exchange transactions between the Government's decision to devalue sterling on Thursday, 16th November and the official announcement on Saturday, 18th November.

    It has never been the practice to publish details of transactions by the Exchange Equalisation Account over a short period.

    Bank Loans (Agricultural Industry)

    86.

    asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer whether, in his post-devaluation direction of economic policy, agricultural production will, like exports, be treated as a priority for bank credit.

    Within the overall ceiling on advances (which does not apply to advances for exports and shipbuilding finance), one of the categories of lending to which the banks are asked to give priority is lending for agriculture, in so far as it promotes import saving.

    Tax And Duty Revenue (Scotland)

    asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer if he will calculate the total revenue from Scotland in 1966–67 from those taxes and duties for which separate calculations have not already been made.

    I would refer the hon. Member to the reply I gave to the Question of the hon. Member for Berwick and East Lothian (Mr. Mackintosh) on 20th November, 1967.—[Vol. 754, c. 283.]

    Low-Paid Workers

    asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer what is the estimated annual cost of shielding the poorer-paid workers from the increased cost of living which he anticipates will result from his devaluation policy; how many people will benefit from it; below what wage level it will operate; and what new taxes he proposes to impose to find the money.

    It is too early to add to my right hon. Friend's statement to the House of 20th November.—[Vol. 754, c. 935–9.]

    Decimal Currency

    asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer if, in view of the cost involved, he will now introduce legislation to repeal the proposed changeover to the decimal system.

    No. I am satisfied that decimalising the currency will be an important aid to productivity and will effect savings in many fields.

    Cost Of Living

    asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer what is his estimate of the percentage increase in the cost of living resulting from devaluation and the accompanying measures.

    It is estimated that the cost of living will eventually rise by about 3 per cent. more than it would otherwise have risen.

    Scottish Road Programme

    asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer what will be the effect on the Scottish road programme of the measures announced in connection with devaluation.

    I have nothing to add to the statement my right hon. Friend made to the House on 20th November.—[Vol. 754, c. 935–9.]

    Gold And Dollar Reserves

    asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer what amount of Great Britain's gold and dollar reserves were expended in supporting the £ sterling between 3.30 p.m. on Thursday, 16th November, and the time the devaluation of the £ sterling was formally announced two days later.

    I would refer the hon. Gentleman to my right hon. Friend the Chief Secretary's Answer to a Question from the hon. Member for Norfolk, South (Mr. J. E. B. Hill) today.

    Customs (Package From Rhodesia)

    asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer by what authority Her Majesty's Customs impounded a package dispatched from Rhodesia on 31st October, 1967, and addressed to Mr. K. Harvey Proctor of 33 North Street, York; and why the addressee, an undergraduate of York University, has not been duly informed of this action.

    Formal notice is sent to the addressee of any package which is detained or seized by the Customs. I cannot trace that the Customs have stopped any package so addressed. They are holding, however, a package addressed to the Secretary, Rhodesia House.

    National Savings

    asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer if he will make a statement on the rôle of National Savings in the new economic situation and what steps he is taking to strengthen the appeal of National Savings.

    This has been a good year so far for National Savings, but the new situation makes it even more necessary that savings of all kinds should continue to grow to help finance investment and moderate consumption. I am sure that the whole National Savings Movement will respond with renewed vigour and enterprise to the challenge, and I shall certainly keep under review the provision of the right supports for their efforts.

    Scotch Whisky (Consumption Value)

    asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer what are the latest available figures for the total annual value of Scotch whisky consumed in Scotland and in the United Kingdom as a whole.

    The estimate of consumers' expediture on alcoholic drink in 1966 published in the National Income Blue Book includes £225 million for expenditure on home produced whisky. This figure relates to the United Kingdom as a whole. A separate estimate for Scotland is not available.

    Income Tax Rebate (New Industries)

    asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer if he will consider a scheme of special Income Tax rebate for new industries established in areas experiencing acute economic difficulties.

    No. The Government have already put into force a variety of measures which they believe better adapted than any tax rebate to stimulate new industries in the development areas.

    Ministry Of Labour

    New Jobs (Northern Region)

    88.

    asked the Minister of Labour how many new jobs have been created in the Northern Region for men and women, arising from Government financial support, for the period 1965 to the latest available date for which information is available.

    Factory Legislation (Exhibition Workers)

    asked the Minister of Labour when he plans to introduce legislation to apply factory and safety regulations to exhibition building workers.

    As I announced to the House on 30th June, I am at present carrying out a comprehensive review of factory legislation. I propose that any new legislation should cover workers employed on the erection and dismantling of exhibition stands. I cannot yet say when it will be introduced.—[Vol. 749, c. 149.]

    Cost Of Living (Scotland)

    asked the Minister of Social Security what information she has regarding the relative movements in the cost of living in Scotland as compared with the rest of the United Kingdom; and if she will take steps to formulate a separate cost of living index for Scotland, so as to ensure that social security benefits in Scotland keep pace with changes in that index.

    I have been asked to reply as the retail price index is the responsibility of the Ministry of Labour.No estimate has been made of the relative movements in the cost of living in Scotland, as compared with the rest of the United Kingdom. My right hon. Friend has, however, asked the Cost of Living Advisory Committee to review the desirability of the calculation and publication of separate indices for regions and for special social and income groups.

    Ministry Of Defence

    Defence Expenditure

    89.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence if he will give details of new reductions in expenditure he is proposing as a result of the financial crisis.

    90.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence when he expects to announce the details of the reduction of £100 million proposed in defence expenditure.

    I have at present nothing to add to the statement made yesterday by my right hon. Friend the Prime Minister. Details will be reflected in the 1968–69 Estimates.—[Vol. 754, c. 1340–1.]

    91.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence what total net defence expenditure in 1968–69 was intended before the recent decision to reduce it by £100 million.

    The Government's intentions were set out in paragraph 2 of Chapter V of the Supplementary Statement on Defence Policy, 1967 (Cmnd. 3357).

    Polaris Submarines

    92.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence what proposals he has for reducing expenditure on the Polaris submarine programme and the base at Faslane, in view of the need for the reduction of public expenditure.

    Household Cavalry

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence whether a decision has yet been made on the fourth reduction in the Household Cavalry and Royal Armoured Corps announced in Annex II of the Supplementary Statement on Defence, Command Paper No. 3357.

    Yes. A decision has now been reached. The Royal Horse Guards (The Blues) and The Royal Dragoons (1st Dragoons) will amalgamate to form a new regiment. The new regiment will form part of The Household Cavalry.

    Naafi Sales (Germany)

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence what percentage of electrical consumer goods, food, clothing, and gramophone records sold by the Navy, Army and Air Force Institute, in Germany in the first six months of 1967 were manufactured in the United Kingdom.

    The information on sales is not available; but in terms of purchases by N.A.A.F.I. for resale in Germany, the percentages are about 62 per cent., 56 per cent., 96 per cent. and 10 per cent.

    F111k Aircraft

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence what effect devaluation will have upon the purchase price of the F111K aircraft.

    In terms of sterling the price of the F111K will rise by about one sixth. Since the F111K offset agreement is in dollars, it will, however, cover the foreign exchange cost of this increase.

    Jaguar Aircraft

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence what effect devaluation will have upon the purchase price of Jaguar aircraft for the Royal Air Force.

    The effect on Jaguar costs cannot be assessed precisely until we have discussed the situation with our French partners in the project.

    Phantom Aircraft

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence what effect devaluation will have upon the purchase price of Phantom aircraft from the United States of America.

    In terms of sterling, the price of the Phantom will rise by about one-tenth.

    C130 Aircraft

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence what effect devaluation upon the purchase price of C130 aircraft from the United States of America.

    In terms of sterling, the price of the C130 will rise by about one-seventh.

    Servicemen Overseas (Pay And Allowances)

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence what action is being taken to restore the pay cut on Servicemen stationed overseas caused by the devaluation of the £ sterling.

    I would refer to my reply to the hon. Member for Edinburgh, South (M r. Clark Hutchison) yesterday.—[Vol. 754, c. 370.]

    Agriculture, Fisheries And Food

    Agricultural Industry (Production)

    93.

    asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food if, following devaluation, he will give greater encouragement to the agricultural industry to increase home production, and thereby to make savings of up to £300 million in overseas payments for beef, mutton, dairy produce and coarse grains.

    Devaluation clearly underlines the great contribution to the economy which is made by the agricultural industry, particularly through import saving. The Government will be considering how to make the best possible use of the industry's resources in the new situation.

    Foot-And-Mouth Disease

    94.

    asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food what study he is making of the possibility, now that the particular strain of foot-and-mouth disease has been identified in Shropshire, of carrying out short-term vaccination in the surrounding counties of Hereford, Worcester and Gloucester and other areas where there are particularly valuable herds, and where it could help to create a safety belt around the worst affected area.

    I am aiming at eradication of the disease by slaughter. The hon. Member's suggestion of vaccination in these three counties and other selected areas as a short term measure would not be a complete safeguard against the spread of the disease.

    Crop Yields

    asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food if he will publish the acreage crop yields for the main cereal crops, potatoes and sugar beet, which have been used in each of the last five years in arriving at the guaranteed prices set out in the Annual Price Review.

    Following are the United Kingdom estimates of yield per acre for wheat, barley, oats, potatoes and sugar beet used in the course of the Annual Price Reviews from 1963 to 1967.

    Harvest year19621963196419651966
    Wheat, cwt. Per acre32·2*31·133·1*32·431·2*
    Barley, cwt. per acre29·028·029·429·928·7*
    Oats, cwt. per acre23·122·323·624·024·4
    Potatoes, tons per acre9·08·68·910·19·7
    Sugar beet, tons per acre12·612·514·214·914·6
    * Figure subsequently revised.

    Pig Slaughterings

    asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food what is the number of pig slaughterings in the first nine months of 1967 compared with the same period in 1964, 1965 and 1966.

    Pig slaughterings in the United Kingdom in the first nine months of 1967 were 9,100,000 compared with 9,305,000 in the same period in 1964, 10,267,000 in 1965, and 10,167,000 in 1966.

    Milk Producers (Reduction)

    asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food how many milk producers have given up production in the past 12 months.

    The number of registered milk producers in the United Kingdom declined by about 4,150 during the year ending 30th September, 1967.

    Cockles

    asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food what conclusion he has reached as a result of the 10 years' research by his Department into the effect of the oyster catcher on cockle fisheries.

    The Ministry's research shows that oyster catchers are major predators of cockles. The damage is done mainly by wintering flocks on the coasts of Lancashire, Cheshire and North Wales and in the Burry Inlet, South Wales.

    asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food how much has been spent by his Department over the last 10 years on research into the effect of the oyster catcher on cockle fisheries.

    Approximately £8,000 a year has been spent on cockle research, but it is not possible to separate the cost of research into the effects of oyster catchers from the costs of the other researches in which the team of scientists concerned has been engaged.

    asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food what is his estimate of the annual value of the cockle fishing industry.

    The annual value of cockles harvested in England and Wales fluctuates but has risen from £91,000 to £136,000 in the last three years.

    Farmers (Bank Charges)

    asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food if he will estimate the extra bank charges likely to be incurred by farmers in a full year, caused by eight per cent. Bank Rate.

    About £7 million, of which about £4 million would be in respect of credit required for current farming purposes.

    Farmers (Costs)

    asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food (1) if he will estimate the cost to farmers in a full year of imported feedstuffs, caused by the recent devaluation of the £ sterling;(2) if he will estimate the increased cost to farmers in a full year of fuel and oil caused by the recent devaluation of the £ sterling;(3) what will be the estimated increased cost of fertilisers to farmers in a full year, caused by the recent devaluation of the £ sterling.

    It is not yet possible to estimate how the devaluation of the pound sterling will affect prices paid by farmers.

    Flooding (Northumberland)

    asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food in view of the recurrence of flooding in the Borough of Morpeth, Northumberland, with serious inconvenience to local residents and damage to their property, what financial assistance the Government will offer to the Northumberland River Board and the Borough Council of Morpeth; and if he will institute an inquiry into this flood problem.

    The Northumbrian River Authority have already inquired into the causes of the latest flooding and will be discussing with the County Council and the Morpeth Borough Council further measures which may be needed to augment the 1965 flood protection works. My right hon. Friend will consider sympathetically any proposals submitted for grant-aid.

    Vietnam (Arms Sales)

    95.

    asked the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs to what extent Her Majesty's Government's position as co-chairman of the Geneva Conference has caused Her Majesty's Government to decline to supply arms or munitions of war to South Vietnamese forces and their allies in the defence of their countries against aggression from the North.

    I have nothing to add to the Answer my right hon. Friend the Prime Minister gave on 27th June to the hon. and gallant Member for Lewes (Sir T. Beamish).—[Vol. 749, c. 253–5.]

    Diplomatic Service (Emoluments Of Overseas Personnel)

    asked the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs (1) if, in view of the devaluation of the £ sterling and the alteration of exchange rates, he will adjust salaries and allowances of those in the Foreign Service serving overseas; and when:(2) what difference in salary and allowances he calculates the devaluation of the £ sterling will have on the emoluments of officers in the High Commissions and other officers under his control; and what action he proposes to take to mitigate hardship on these officers.

    I have been asked to reply.The emoluments of Diplomatic Service personnel serving overseas are being reviewed as a matter of urgency.

    10 Downing Street (Petitions)

    Q8.

    asked the Prime Minister when he is informed that a petition is to be presented to him at 10 Downing Street, what are the normal arrangements made for the reception of the petitioners.

    The normal and long-standing practice is for a member of my staff to receive the petition on my behalf.

    Government (Size)

    Q12.

    asked the Prime Minister if he will take steps to reduce the size of the Government.

    This matter, like all aspects of governmental organisation, is kept under continuous review and the House will be informed in the normal way when any changes are to be made.

    Queen's Award To Industry (Administrative Staff)

    asked the Prime Minister how many staff are employed in administering the Queen's Award to Industry scheme; and what is the total annual cost of administration.

    Six officials work either full-time or for a significant part of the year in The Office of The Queen's Award to Industry. The total cost of running the office is about £20,000 a year.

    European Economic Community

    asked the Prime Minister what further consideration he has given to the possibility of the United Kingdom applying for associate membership of the European Communities.

    As I have said many times our application is for full membership of the European Communities; and that application is in and remains in. As to association, it is not clear what particular form those who advocate it have in mind. But whatever form it took there are two main objections to it. First, anything short of full membership would deny Britain a full voice in future Community decisions, and thereby commit us to accepting and operating far-reaching economic and perhaps political decisions which we had taken no part in shaping. This is clearly out of the question.Secondly, it is an illusion to think that a negotiation for associate membership would be any easier, less complicated or more certain than a negotiation for full membership. On the contrary, it might well take longer and would involve further uncertainties for European industry and for the general cause of European unity.I repeat that the alternative of association is unacceptable to Britain.

    Scotland

    Foot-And-Mouth Disease

    asked the Secretary of State for Scotland whether, in view of the unusually virulent and infectious mature of the foot-and-mouth disease virus now affecting many parts of England, he will seek immediate powers to protect Scottish farmers by setting up road blocks with cleansing stations on all roads leading into Scotland, with inspectors on duty to ensure the thorough disinfection of all motor vehicles, and in particular, those that have been anywhere near the affected areas.

    The Border is in fact closed at present to all movements of livestock from the south, and my right hon. Friend the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food and I have the situation under constant review. We are prepared to institute further safeguarding measures, whenever it seems necessary or desirable to do so, to limit the spread of this unprecedented epidemic. As always with foot-and-mouth disease, care must be taken not to introduce controls that could do more damage to the country's economic life than the risk existing at any given time would justify.

    Milk Producers (Reduction)

    asked the Secretary of State for Scotland how many milk producers have given up production in the past 12 months.

    In the year ended 30th September, 1967, the number of registered milk producers within the area covered by the three Scottish milk marketing boards declined by 294. It is expected, however, that total milk production in the year to 31st March, 1968, will be somewhat higher than in the previous year.

    Social Security

    Family Poverty

    asked the Minister of Social Security if she will break down according to size of family the total of some 250,000 children who will still be living in families with incomes below the supplementary benefit level when the 7s. increase in family allowances starts.

    I would refer the hon. Member to the reply I gave to my hon. Friend the Member for Brentford and Chiswick (Mr. Barnes) on 23rd October.—[Vol. 751, c. 1320.]

    Technology

    Ukaea Establishment, Winfrith (Pay Dispute)

    asked the Minister of Technology if he is aware that dissatisfac- tion among employees at Winfrith about pay is growing; on what date the issue was referred to the National Board for Prices and Incomes; and when he expects the findings of that Board to be made known.

    I am very well aware of the dissatisfaction. The matter was referred on 17th October to the National Board for Prices and Incomes, which hopes to have its report ready before Christmas.

    British And Foreign Aircraft (Sales)

    asked the Minister of Technology (1) what effect devaluation will have upon the selling price of the Concord;(2) what effect devaluation will have upon the selling price of the VC10 and BAC 111 aircraft;(3) what estimate he has formed of the effects of devaluation on the European Air-Bus project;(4) what increased overseas sale of British aircraft he estimates will result from devaluation during the period up to November, 1968.

    Devaluation improves the prospects for overseas sales of British aircraft, and I am confident that the manufacturers will take every advantage of the new opportunities. Selling prices are for them to negotiate.The effect of devaluation on the selling price of the Concord and of the Airbus will need to be discussed with our partners in those projects; here again, overseas sales prospects should be improved since the sterling element of their price becomes cheaper in overseas markets.

    Car Industry (Hire-Purchase Restrictions)

    asked the Prime Minister what steps he will take to alleviate any short-term difficulties in the car industry resulting from the tighter hire-purchase restrictions.

    I have been asked to reply. If such difficulties arise, the Government will take whatever steps they consider appropriate in the circumstances.

    Transport

    Car Accidents (Structural Defects)

    asked the Minister of Transport (1) what research she has instituted into the extent to which accidends have been, wholly or partly, attributed to structural defects in cars traceable to the incomplete repair of previous serious damage;(2) what measures she proposes for tightening up the conditions subject to which cars, written off after accidents, may be repaired and put back on the road.

    We have made no special study of the extent to which accidents might be attributable to structural defects in cars inadequately repaired following serious damage.Section 68 of the Road Traffic Act, 1960, already prohibits the sale of a motor vehicle if it is in an unroadworthy condition. Two further measures against unroadworthy cars have recently been introduced. First, Section 3 of the Road Traffic (Amendment) Act, 1967, empowers police officers and Ministry examiners to enter premises where used cars are offered for sale for the purpose of ascertaining whether they are roadworthy. Secondly, insurers now send the registration books of vehicles "written off" to local taxation officers for endorsement to the effect that the vehicle has been seriously damaged and the subject of a total loss settlement.

    Fatal Accidents (Drunken Drivers)

    asked the Minister of Transport if she will state the number of deaths directly caused by drunken drivers in the 12 months preceding the Road Safety Bill, and such figures as are available since the Bill became law.

    Before 9th October, 1967, the police had no power to require a blood test from a driver who had been involved in an accident. Research indicated however that between 5 and 9 per cent. of all road accidents were attribut- able to alcohol, and that the proportion of fatal and serious accidents was higher than this.Full accident figures for the period since 9th October are not yet available.

    Departmental Minister (Cost Of Montreal Visit)

    asked the Minister of Transport what was the cost of the recent visit to Montreal made by the Parliamentary Secretary for the purpose of ascertaining whether Mr. N. J. MacMillan would consider accepting the post of chairman of British Rail.

    My hon. Friend, who is Chairman of the Group whose report formed the basis for the recent White Paper on Railway Policy (Cmnd. 3439), paid a visit to Montreal last month in order to discuss with the President and other members of Canadian National Railways a number of issues of railway planning, policy, management and financial control. They were able to draw valuable lessons from this railway's extremely successful record in recent years. The total cost of the visit—including the costs of three officials—was £1,026.

    Transport Holding Company (Purchase Of Electric Traction Bus Companies)

    asked the Minister of Transport whether she can now make a further statement on the negotiations for the purchase of the British Electric Traction bus interests by the Transport Holding Company.

    Further to my reply of 17th November to my hon. Friend, I am glad to report that the Transport Holding Company has reached agreement with the British Electric Traction Company on terms for the acquisition of their holdings of ordinary shares in the bus companies in the B.E.T. Group for the sum of £35 million, which is the Holding Company's assessment of the current value of the underlying net assets attributable to the B.E.T's bus interests. The Holding Company already holds an equal shareholding with B.E.T. in most of these companies and their offer is conditional upon the extension of their statutory borrowing powers, for which I intend to introduce the necessary legislation shortly.—[Vol. 754, c. 218.]

    Railways

    Closures

    asked the Minister of Transport if she will issue a general direction to the Railways Board to publish, prior to any railway closure inquiry, figures for the current profit or loss of both the passenger and freight traffic for the railway line concerned.

    No. The Board already give figures of passenger direct Costs and earnings to the T.U.C.C. and objectors for background information. Figures for freight are not given since the Committee's consideration, like my hon. Friend's decision, is confined to the passenger service.

    Local Trains (Conductor-Guard Service)

    asked the Minister of Transport if she will give a general direction to, the Railways Board to provide for the establishment of a conductor-guard service on local stopping trains.

    No. The conductor-guard system of issuing tickets on local trains has been in operation for some time and the Railways Board is aware of the desirability of extending the system wherever possible.

    Roads

    A541 (Nannerch Bridge)

    asked the Minister of Transport when the bridge at Nannerch on the A541 will be open to heavy loads.

    The bridge is owned by the British Railways Board. I understand that it will be open to all normal traffic within three weeks.