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Volume 756: debated on Monday 18 December 1967

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Written Answers To Questions

Monday, 18th December, 1967

Ministry Of Labour

Industrial Tribunals

5.

asked the Minister of Labour whether he will issue a booklet informing applicants before industrial tribunals of the procedure of the tribunals and their rights.

Leaflets explaining these matters are issued by my local offices or, as regards the training levy, by the Industrial Training Boards. I am sending copies to the hon. Member.

Redundancy Payments Act

19.

asked the Minister of Labour, whether he will review the operation of the Redundancy Payments Act as it affects shipbuilding and repair yard workers, in view of the serious anomalies that have arisen.

My right hon. Friend discussed this with both sides of the industry last year and is awaiting their proposals.

45.

asked the Minister of Labour if he will examine the anomalies arising from the operation of the Redundancy Payments Act 1965; and if he will make a statement.

If my hon. Friend will let me have details of the points he has in mind, I will be glad to consider them.

Government Training Centres

21.

asked the Minister of Labour if he will establish a Government training centre to retrain Londoners for new types of employment in Swindon and other expanding towns with modern industry and a shortage of certain categories of skilled men.

Londoners who want and are suitable for skilled employment in Swindon and other expanding towns can be trained at the existing Government Training Centres in and around London. There are seven such Centres with nearly 2,000 training places, and work is to start next year on an eighth, with 250 places. By early 1970 it will be possible to train nearly 5,000 men a year at those eight Centres.

50.

asked the Minister of Labour how many places at his Department's training centres will be available to applicants amongst the 2,000 men faced with redundancy at Mosley Common Colliery, due to close in February next.

I am informed that, on present estimates, between 100 and 300 of the men now employed at this colliery may become redundant when it closes in February next. The Government training centres at Hindley and Manchester are within daily travelling distance of the Mosley Common Colliery, and have a total of 293 training places. These should meet the needs of redundant miners from Mosley Common who want and are suitable for this type of training.

63.

asked the Minister of Labour if he is satisfied that Government training centres in the northeast of England now have a wide enough range of courses to satisfy the demand in the regions for new skills; and if he will regularly review these courses.

There are courses in 23 trades at the centres in the Northern Region. The range is frequently widened, and existing courses are modernised as necessary. Regular reviews are undertaken to ensure that the trades taught are in line with the demand for new skills in the Region.

asked the Minister of Labour how many places in Government training centres are at present for service industry trades, as classified in the Official Classification.

The trades taught at Government training centres cannot be identified precisely with particular industries; trainees in servicing trades may subsequently be employed in manufacturing industry. There are, however, 1,560 places for trainees who would most frequently be placed in industries covered by the general headings "Distributive Trades and" Miscellaneous Services "in the Standard Industrial Classification.

asked the Minister of Labour what action he proposes to reduce the waiting list for entry to Government training centres in Scotland.

I would refer the hon. Member to the Answer given to his Question on 11th December.—[Vol. 756, c. 19.]

asked the Minister of Labour what courses for industrial retraining are provided at Government training centres in the Northern Region.

Following is the information:

  • Bricklaying—6 classes,
  • Carpentry—6,
  • Contractors' plant maintenance—3,
  • Electrical installation and maintenance—2,
  • Heating and ventilating fitting—2,
  • Street masonry and paving—1,
  • Capstan setting/operating—8,
  • Centre Lathe turning—6,
  • Milling setting/operating—6,
  • Jig and tool fitting—3,
  • Precision grinding—3,
  • General fitting—2,
  • Instrument fitting and machining—,
  • Sheet metal work—2,
  • Electric arc welding—2,
  • Draughtsmanship—1,
  • Motor repairing—5,
  • Instrument maintenance—2,
  • Radio and television servicing—2,
  • Agricultural machinery repairing—1,
  • Woodcutting machining—1,
  • Motor body repairing—1,
  • Men's hairdressing—1.

Occupational Health Service

22.

asked the Minister of Labour what progress he is making in promoting an occupational health service to provide advice, diagnosis and treatment at work for all employees.

My right hon. Friend has accepted in principle the recommendations of the Sub-Committee of the Industrial Health Advisory Committee set up to review the Appointed Factory Doctor Service, and he is working out draft proposals for their implementation. In addition, my right hon. Friend has recently extended the work of the Factory Inspectorate in industrial hygiene by setting up an Industrial Hygiene Division.

Industrial Accident Prevention(Consultations)

23.

asked the Minister of Labour which organisations, institutions and experts he consults on industrial accident prevention.

The membership of the Industrial Safety Advisory Council comprises representatives of the Confederation of British Industry, the Trades Union Congress, the nationalised industries, the British Insurance Association, the Royal Society for the Prevention of Accidents, and includes an independent expert.The Ministry also consults a large number of other organisations and individuals according to the particular problems involved. It would not be feasible to list them.

National Minimum Wage

30.

asked the Minister of Labour whether he will now introduce legislation to establish a national minimum wage.

I have nothing at present to add to the reply I gave to the hon. Member for Croydon, South (Mr. Winnick) on 10th April of this year— [Vol. 745, c. 710–711.]

Selective Employment Tax

52.

asked the Minister of Labour whether he yet has evidence regarding the effect Selective Employment Tax has on redeployment of labour.

I would refer the hon. Member to the reply I gave to the hon. Member for Chelmsford (Mr. St. JohnStevas) on Monday, 13th November—[Vol. 754, c. 3.]

Manpower Research Unit(Report)

53.

asked the Minister of Labour when he expects to receive the next report of the Manpower Research Unit.

A report of the Manpower Research Unit was published on 11th December, 1967 under the title "Manpower Studies No. 5: Electronics".

" Manpower Studies No. 6: Occupational Changes 1951–61 "and" Manpower Studies No. 7: Growth of Office Employment "are expected to be published in January 1968 and February 1968, respectively.

Strikes

55.

asked the Minister of Labour if he will publish a table showing the total number of strikes per 100,000 employees in the countries listed on page 880 of the Ministry of Labour Gazetteof November 1967.

The information for which the hon. Gentleman asks is not included in the material supplied by the International Labour Organisation on which the table in the Gazette is based.

Unemployment

56 and 57.

asked the Minister of Labour (1) what was the average number and percentage of persons unemployed in the Stornoway area at the November count over the last 20 years;(2) what is the number and percentage of persons unemployed in the Stornoway area at the most recent count; and what emergency action, commensurate with the situation in the area, is being taken by Her Majesty's Government to provide continuing insurable employment.

An average of 1,336 persons have been unemployed in the area covered by the Stornoway Employment Exchange at the November count over the past 20 years. This represents an unemployment percentage rate for all employees of about 25 per cent. At 11 th December, 1967, 1,549 persons were registered as unemployed and the percentage rate was 28·2.

TOTAL NUMBERS REGISTERED AS UNEMPLOYED WHO LAST WORKED IN SHIPBUILDING AND SHIP REPAIRING (MINIMUM LIST HEADING 370.1 OF THE STANDARD INDUSTRIAL CLASSIFICATION) AND ESTIMATED NUMBERS OF EMPLOYEES IN EMPLOYMENT IN THAT INDUSTRY
Total registered unemployed at NovemberEstimated numbers of employees in employment at June
MalesFemalesTotalMalesFemalesTotal
1967……1,002261,028Not yet available
1966……6062963515,9001,00016,900
1965……6271564216,4001,00017,400
1964……9351394813,70080014,500
1963……2,207472,25416,8001,10017,900
1962……2,392392,43120,0001,30021,200
1961……Not available22,9001,30024,100
1960……Not available22,1001,40023,500

The Highlands and Islands Development Board's Fishing Development Scheme which now provides for 35 new boats by 1972 will be of direct benefit to the Western Isles.

61.

asked the Minister of Labour in how many months in the years from November, 1951, to October, 1964, did the number of wholly unemployed stand at over 500,000; and in how many months in 1967 did the number of wholly unemployed stand at over 500,000.

The number registered as wholly unemployed in Great Britain exceeded 500,000 on ten occasions between November, 1951, and October, 1964, and eight in 1967.

asked the Minister of Labour (1) how many shipbuilding workers were unemployed in the upper reaches of the Clyde at the most recent date for which figures are available; and what were the comparable figures in the same month of each of the previous six years;(2) how many men and women were employed by shipbuilding and shiprepairing establishments in the upper reaches of the Clyde at the most recent date for which figures are available; and what were the comparable figures in the same month of each of the previous six years.

Following is the information relating to the upper reaches of the Clyde, which has been taken to include the areas covered by the Barr-head, Bridgeton, Clydebank, Dumbarton, Glasgow Central, Glasgow South Side, Govan, Hillington, Kinning Park, Mary-hill, Paisley, Parkhead, Partick, Renfrew, Rutherglen and Springburn Employment Exchanges:

Roberts-Arundel Ltd (Dispute)

58.

asked the Minister of Labour if he will now hold an inquiry into the official dispute at Roberts-Arundel Limited, Chestergate, Stockport; and if he will make a statement.

My right hon. Friend has decided after careful consideration not to set up an inquiry into the Roberts-Arundel dispute. The practice of Ministers of Labour for many years has been to appoint inquiries if they are likely to help resolve a major dispute or an important problem of industrial relations. In my view, an inquiry would not have helped in this way at any stage during this dispute. I see no reason to alter this view now that the company have decided to cease manufacturing from mid-January.

59.

asked the Minister of Labour what advice has been sought by and given to Roberts-Arundel Limited, Stockport.. following their declared intention to close the factory in January, 1968, with particular regard to redundancy payments to the employees.

At the company's request, local Ministry officials visited the company on 15th December and discussed the question of redundancy payments for their employees and the advance registration of redundant employees for alternative employment.

Redundant Workers(Unemployment Benefit)

60.

asked the Minister of Labour if he will instruct managers of employment exchanges that, where workers who became redundant due to the insolvency of the employer cannot receive payment in lieu of notice under the requirements of the Contracts of Employment Act, 1963, unemployment benefit should be paid, subject to the normal requirements, without delay being caused because of any assumed payment of the workers by way of payment in lieu of notice.

Unemployment benefit is not payable when a payment in lieu of notice or in lieu of remuneration is made to an employee. In cases where firms become insolvent it is necessary to make inquiries to see if a payment will be made. No decision can be given by the independent statutory authorities until this has been done. These inquiries are made as quickly as possible.

Cost Of Living Advisorycommittee (Consumer Protection)

62.

asked the Minister of Labour whether he will appoint a representative from the bodies interested in consumer protection to the advisory committee on the Cost-of-living Index.

The Cost of Living Advisory Committee has recently been reconstituted and has already begun its work of considering the questions on which they have been asked to report. My Statistics Department will always be glad to receive from any bodies including those interested in consumer protection, information which will help to ensure that the Retail Prices Index continues to measure as accurately as possible changes in the level of retail prices.

Work Permits (Part-Time Employment)

64.

asked the Minister of Labour if he will decentralise to local offices of his Department the consideration of applications by aliens for part-time work permits so that they can be obtained as expeditiously as ordinary work permits.

No. Work permits for part-time employment are not normally issued for foreigners abroad as the remuneration is rarely sufficient to maintain them and British labour is usually available for this kind of work. Aliens in this country for some other purpose may occasionally be permitted to take such employment but these cases are exceptional and require consideration centrally.

Pay Claims

asked the Minister of Labour how many claims which, if granted, would increase the remuneration of workers are now outstanding; and how many workers are, or would be, affected by them.

Sixty-three major claims affecting a little over 7 million wage and salary earners.

Industrial Training (Grant)

asked the Minister of Labour if he will now insist on a much closer inspection of the quality and quantity of industrial training facilities provided by firms before permitting repayments under the Industrial Training Act.

Industrial training boards already relate the payment of grants in varying measure to the quality and quantity of the training provided by employers, and are making increasingly effective arrangements for validating claims for grant.

asked the Minister of Labour if he is aware that certain firms have made a profit out of the Industrial Training Scheme without providing adequate training; if he will amend the Scheme so as to prevent this; and if he will make a statement.

The grant schemes of industrial training boards normally provide grant only for training which satisfies certain minimum standards. As the boards continue to develop their activities, particularly through the publication of training recommendations, the conditions for payment of grant will become progressively higher.

Casual Employment(Unemployment Benefit)

asked the Minister of Labour if he will make a statement on the employment of his officers secretly to trace the number of people registered as unemployed and drawing unemployment benefit, but who are also in casual employment.

Members of my staff are instructed to make discreet inquiries if it is suspected that a person is concurrently working and receiving unemployment benefit.

Wages Regulation Orders

asked the Minister of Labour (1) whether he will take steps to amend the relevant wages council orders to raise the total remuneration paid to a female sales assistant in retail trade from £8 8s. per week and to classify such a person as a lower-paid worker for the purposes of the Government's incomes Industrial Training (Grant) policy;(2) whether he will take steps to amend the relevant wages council orders to raise the total remuneration of a male sales assistant in the tailoring trade from £12 1ls. per week and to classify such a person as a lower-paid worker for the purposes of the Government's incomes policy.

I have no power to initiate amendments of Wages Regulation Orders. I can only make orders to give effect to wages regulation proposals submitted to me by wages councils.

Employers (Employmentexchange Charge)

asked the Minister of Labour if he will charge employers for the services they receive at employment exchanges.

Cairo Radio

66.

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs what reduction there has been in anti-British propaganda from Cairo Radio since the resumption of diplomatic relations with the United Arab Republic.

Diplomatic relations were resumed only on 12th December. But before this the Head of the British Interests Section in Cairo had raised the matter of broadcasts from Cairo with the United Arab Republic authorities on a number of occasions. The United Arab Republic authorities have assured us that there is good will on their side. I hope we shall find this leads to some practical results.

Suez Canal

65.

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs if he will make a statement about the Suez Canal.

The Security Council Resolution passed unanimously on 22nd November affirmed amongst other things the necessity for guaranteeing freedom of navigation through international waterways in the Middle East.

In accordance with this Resolution, the Secretary-General has designated the distinguished Swedish diplomat Mr. Gunnar Jarring, as his Special Representative to proceed to the Middle East. I am sure that the whole House will want to join me in wishing every success to Mr. Jarring in his difficult task.

78.

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs whether he will take steps to refer the question of compensation for the owners of British vessels held in the Bitter Lakes to the International Court of Justice.

Southern Yemen

67.

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs if he will make a statement on Great Britain's future relations with the People's Republic of Smith Yemen.

The British Government naturally hope that we shall have normal friendly relations with the Southern Yemen. I have nothing to add to my replies to the hon. Member for Bury St. Edmunds (Mr. Eldon Griffiths) on 4th December and my hon. Friend the Member for Swindon (Mr. Francis Noel-Baker) on 5th December.—[Vol. 755, c. 216–7; c. 268.]

72.

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs in what form, and at what interval, he is making over to the Government of South Yemen Republic the £9–£10 million of post-independence aid pledged by Her Majesty's Government over the next six months.

The financial aid we have agreed to continue at recent levels for the next six months will be paid to the Crown Agents for the account of the People's Republic of Southern Yemen. That part of the aid which contributes towards recurrent expenditure will be paid in three bi-monthly instalments in advance; that relating to capital expenditure will be made available on proof of need. Equipment ordered and included within the offer will be delivered as available.

United Arab Republic

68.

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs if he will make a statement on resumption of diplomatic relations with the United Arab Republic.

I am glad to say that diplomatic relations with the United Arab Republic were resumed on 12th December.

Sinai Peninsula

69.

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs whether he will initiate discussions in the United Nations Organisation, with a view to the acquisition by the United Nations of the Sinai Peninsula as an assembly point and first base for a permanent United Nations World Constabulary and a laboratory for large-scale irrigation of arid zones through desalination of sea-water, and a permanent settlement area for refugees.

No. My right hon. Friend has very much in mind the desirability of forthright measures to tackle the refugee problem in the Middle East. As he made clear in his speech in the debate on 6th July, he is intensely conscious of the human problems involved but believes that this and the other points raised by my hon. Friend can now best be considered as part of a general political settlement in the area. The United Nations Special Representative has now started his work in the Middle East. We consider that his mission represents the best chance of real progress towards such a settlement and we do not wish at this juncture to take any initiatives which might prejudice or prejudge his work.—[Vol. 749, c. 2123.]

Somaliland

70.

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs if he will make a statement on the relations of Her Majesty's Government with Somaliland.

A resolution was passed in the Somali National Assembly on 11th December calling on the Government of the Somali Republic to start negotiations with Her Majesty's Government, and to resume diplomatic relations. We welcome this development, and are in contact with the Government of the Somali Repblic through our Protecting Power (the United States). As has been stated in the House on earlier occasions, we should of course be glad to resume diplomatic relations with the Somali Republic.

Greece

71.

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs whether Her Majesty's Government will support the recent recommendations of the Assembly of the Council of Europe in supporting the Scandinavian countries in their reference of the position in Greece to the Commission on Human Rights and if he will make a statement.

I have nothing to add to the reply I gave to my hon. Friend the Member for Lewisham, South (Mr. Carol Johnson) on 13th November. —[Vol. 754, c. 19.]

Rhodesia

73.

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs if he will propose in the United Nations Security Council the creation of a United Nations Sanctions Committee to assist and advise the Secretary-General in the application of mandatory sanctions against Rhodesia.

Her Majesty's Government are always open to practical suggestions for improving the effectiveness of sanctions, but I am not convinced that my hon. Friend's proposal would help towards this end as things stand at the moment.

Palestinian Refugees

74.

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs if he will arrange for urgent discussions within the appropriate organs of the United Nations about ways and means to relieve the extra hardships which the onset of winter will cause to Palestinian refugees in camps on the barren plateau near Amman.

Discussions are at present in progress in the Special Political Committee of the United Nations on the United Nations Relief and Works Agency and the problem of the refugees including those newly displaced. The Commissioner-General of the United Nations Relief and Works Agency, Dr. Michelmore, in his speech in the Special Political Committee on 11th December laid particular emphasis on the plight of newly displaced refugees now made more acute by the onset of winter. The Commissioner-General has Her Majesty's Government's full confidence and support in the efforts he is making to deal with the problem.

Cambodia

76.

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs what reply he has sent to Prince Sihanouk's official request that Great Britain recognise without reservation the present territory Cambodia administers.

The Cambodian Government have put certain requests to Her Majesty's Government for declarations relating to Cambodia's frontiers. We are still considering these requests and no reply has yet been given.

European Economiccommunity

77.

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs what has been the total expenditure by Her Majesty's Government on propaganda and other activities in the effort to enter the European Economic Community since 16th October 1964.

The presentation of the British case on this is part of the normal overseas information effort and its cost cannot be separately identified.

Sea Bed (Malteseresolution)

75.

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs whether he will instruct the United Kingdom representative at the United Nations to support the Maltese Resolution in the General Assembly for the international regulation and exploration of the sea bed in the interests of mankind.

During the debate on this item in the First Committee of the General Assembly, the United Kingdom representative welcomed the Maltese initiative in raising questions concerning the sea bed and ocean floor for international consideration. We co-sponsored the resolution adopted at the end of the debate, and the United Kingdom is to serve on the ad hoc committee which is being established to look further into these matters.

Diplomatic Service(Emoluments)

79.

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs what arrangements he is making, especially in Hong Kong, to adjust cost of living allowances for appropriate officials and dependants following devaluation.

Hong Kong will naturally be included with the many posts covered by the current review of emoluments to which my hon. Friend the Parliamentary Under Secretary of State referred in his reply to the hon. Member for Edinburgh, South (Mr. Clark Hutchison) on 23rd November, to which I have nothing to add.—[Vol. 754, c. 427.]

Vietnam

80.

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs what representations he has received as co-chairman of the Geneva Conference that Her Majesty's Government should dissociate themselves from the massacre by the Viet Cong of the village of Dak Son in South Vietnam; and what reply he has sent.

I have received no such representations but I deplore this deliberate massacre of civilians as I do all the killing in Vietnam.

Mr Brooke

81.

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs if he has now received the report on the state of health of Mr. Brooke which he requested from the Russian authorities; and if he will make a statement.

The Soviet Ministry of Foreign Affairs have now assured us that there is no reason for concern over the health of Mr. Brooke, with particular reference to tuberculosis.

Soviet Union (Britishpublications)

82.

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs, in view of the recent official commercial arrangements for printing and publication in Great Britain of a Russian/ English periodical, Sputnik, what official arrangements exist on a comparable basis for British publications in the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics.

The Soviet publication to which my hon. Friend refers is a monthly magazine published in this country by the Daily Mirror, through a commercial arrangement with the Soviet Government-controlled agency, Novosti.The British Russian-language quarterly

Angliais published by the Central Office of Information and distributed in the Soviet Union by the press distribution organisation of the Ministry of Communications. It is limited by the Soviet Authorities to a maximum distribution for sale of 50,000 copies per issue. There is, of course, no limit placed on the circulation of Sputnik.

Arab Refugees

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs what new census of Arab refugees has been carried out by the United Nations Works and Relief Agency; and what economies are being made.

No new census of Arab refugees has been carried out by the United Nations Relief and Works Agency, but the Commissioner-General, Dr. Michelmore, has stated that 350,000 to 400,000 people have been displaced in the Middle East as a result of the recent war, of whom 113,000 or thereabouts were already United Nations Relief and Works Agency-registered refugees. The situation is still fluid and our information is that 200 to 300 refugees a day continue to cross from the West Bank of the Jordan to the East (where there are at present some 275,000 "new" refugees). More precise figures will be available when the results of a recent review carried out by the United Nations Relief and Works Agency become known in the next few weeks.As regards economies, as the Commissioner-General made clear in his speech at the United Nations Relief and Works Agency debate in New York on 11th December, the United Nations Relief and Works Agency is already practising as much austerity as possible. Her Majesty's Government were greatly encouraged that the Commissioner-General, in his most recent report, was able to say that much progress has been made since June, with the co-operation of the Jordanian authorities, in the rectification of the United Nations Relief and Works Agency ration rolls in Jordan. We naturally look to the day when this will apply to all the "host" countries and we share the Commissioner-General's anxiety to make all possible economies provided that they are not detrimental to the welfare of the refugees.

Non-Proliferation Treaty

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs when he will publish the text of the non-proliferation treaty.

The text of the nonproliferation treaty has not yet been completed, and negotiations are continuing. Publication of the final text is therefore not yet possible. However, copies of the drafts which were tabled by the co-Chairmen of the Geneva Conference on 24th August are in the Library of the House.

South Africa (Arms Ban)

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs whether he will now propose at the United Nations that the ban on arms for South Africa be made mandatory on all member nations.

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs if he will give an assurance that the Government will not resume arms sales to South Africa.

I have nothing to add to the reply given by my right hon. Friend the Prime Minister to my right hon. and learned Friend the Member for Ipswich (Sir Dingle Foot) on 14th December.—[Vol. 756, c. 628]

Belgium (Unitedkingdom Representation)

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs how many embassies, delegations, and related offices the United Kingdom now has in Belgium.

Three: Her Majesty's Embassy, the United Kingdom Delegation to the North Atlantic Council and the United Kingdom Delegation to the European Communities.

Hospitals

Scalebor Park Hospital

83.

asked the Minister of Health who was the chairman of the Leeds Regional Hospital Board when the £423,618 extension to Scalebor Park Hospital was opened; how much of this sum of money was voted by Parliament; why the parliamentary representative was not invited: and what steps he has taken to prevent similar discourtesies happening in other places.

The Chairman of the Board is L. E. Laycock, Esq., C.B.E., J.P. On the other parts of the Question, I would refer the hon. and gallant Member to my reply on 24th July and to my right hon. Friend's letters to him on 22nd May and 29th June.—[Vol. 751, c. 15–16.]

Leeds Regional Hospitalboard Headquarters

84.

asked the Minister of Health how many years the lease has still to run of the Leeds Regional Board headquarters at the Queen Hotel, Harrogate; if all the rooms at the hotel are in use; how much money voted by Parliament has been spent on maintaining the gardens in the last 15 years; and if he will instruct the Board that they should find more suitable and less expensive headquarters when the lease runs out.

Eight; yes, apart from some currently being adapted; £12,260 in gardeners' wages over the last ten years. All options for the Board's long term accommodation needs will be kept open for a decision at the appropriate time, but it is most unlikely that more suitable premises would be less expensive.

Human Organ Transplantation Units

asked the Minister of Health what Government assistance is being given to medical units specialising in the transference of hearts and other human organs.

asked the Minister of Health if he will make a statement on his plans to assist scientific practice and investigation into the transference of internal organs from one human being to another; how far this practice and investigation has progressed; and what is the number of cases in which the operation was successful or otherwise, distinguishing between English and Scottish figures.

Corneal grafting is undertaken at many hospitals in the National Health Service. Kidney transplantation is being undertaken at a small number of such hospitals, with support to some extent from the Medical Research Council; and, as I said in answer to my hon. Friend the Member for Bolton, West (Mr. Oakes) on 14th December, my right hon. Friend the Secretary of State for Scotland and I have appointed an Advisory Committee to advise us on the further development of work in this field. Research related to the transplantation of other organs, including the heart, is being supported by the Medical Research Council and the Ministry of Health, as well as by universities.Precise information of the number of operations is not available and the time has been too short for an appraisal of permanent results even in the major centres.—[Vol. 756, c.

231–2.]

Waiting Lists

asked the Minister of Health (1) what was the total number of patients on the hospital waiting lists at the most recent date for which figures are available; and what percentage increase has taken place in this figure since 1948;

(2) what was the number of beds available in hospitals at the most recent date for which figures are available; and what percentage increase has taken place in this figure since 1948;

(3) what were the numbers of patients who received treatment in hospitals in the most recent annual period for which figures are available; and what percentage increase has taken place compared with 1948.

On 30th June, 1967 there were 540,876 patients on waiting lists, and 468,000 available beds; 4,898,000 in-patients were treated in 1966. Comparable information for 1948 is not available.

asked the Minister of Health how many persons were on the waiting list in the area served by the Welsh Hospital Board on 31st March in 1964, 1965, 1966 and 1967.

Priority Of Treatment (Personal Case)

asked the Minister of Health if he will set up a departmental inquiry into the case, details of which have been sent to him, of a patient seeking treatment under the National Health Service who was advised by a consultant to gain priorty by becoming a private patient; and if he will make a statement.

Dark Room Technicians(Pay)

asked the Minister of Health (1) whether he is aware that local authority dark-room technicians receive approximately 60 per cent. more than those employed in the National Health Service; and if he will take steps to remedy this anomaly;(2) whether he is aware of the low rates of pay received by dark-room technicians in the National Health Service; and if he will now take steps to increase the rates from the present level of £12 per week.

This is a matter for the Whitley Council, who on 23rd November agreed a new salary scale with a maximum of £685 a year and new allowances for additional duties and long service. My information is that there is no comparable class of local authority dark room technician.

Ministry Of Health

Unfit Meat (Dock Strike)

asked the Minister of Health to what extent meat imported from abroad became unfit for human consumption during the recent dock strike; and how and where it was disposed of.

Part of a chilled beef cargo of 1,000 tons subjected to refrigeration because of the strike in London was subsequently found to be unfit. Mould was found on some of the meat and the affected areas are being removed under supervision by the health authorities and sent for conversion into industrial fats and fertilisers. The other unfit meat in the cargo will be disposed of in a similar way.

Mentally Handicapped Children

asked the Minister of Health what further action he proposes to take to remedy the lack of essential supporting services for those helping to keep mentally-handicapped children in the community, as envisaged in the Mental Health Act, 1959.

Local authorities' plans for developing their services for the mentally handicapped were published last year in Cmnd. 3022. Advisory Mental Welfare Officers of my Department pay regular visits to all local health authorities to advise on their services in this field, which are steadily expanding.

Population Census

asked the Minister of Health when the next census of population is to be taken; and what preliminary investigations are to be carried out.

The Government have decided to seek the authority of Parliament to take the next Census in April, 1971, the earliest date possible under the Census Act. This Census will involve a full enumeration of the whole population.To ensure the efficiency of the whole operation, including the enumeration procedures as well as the design and content of the Census questionnaire, a number of tests will be carried out in the field during the next few years.Most of these tests will be on an extremely small scale. However, two larger tests will be carried out in April, 1968, and April, 1969, each involving some ten selected areas in England and Wales and ten in Scotland, where a full enumeration will be carried out. These will be on a wholly voluntary footing, but my right hon. Friend the Secretary of State for Scotland and I hope that we shall have the full co-operation of those members of the public invited to take part in them.

Local Government

Sand Working (Congleton)

85.

asked the Minister of Housing and Local Government if he will now receive a deputation from the Congleton Borough Council to deal with the question of sand quarrying in the borough of Congleton.

No. My right hon. Friend is precluded from discussing this question with an appeal relating to sand working in the borough still before him.

Court Of Common Council (Financecontrol)

asked the Minister of Housing and Local Government whether he will take steps to make the finances of the Court of Common Council of the City of London subject to the same controls as elsewhere in the local government of England.

I do not know what my hon. Friend has in mind, but my right hon. Friend is not contemplating any move in this direction.

Housing

Circular Nt43

asked the Minister of Housing and Local Government why his Department's Circular N.T.43 dated 16th August, 1967 makes no provision for any reduction in price in the sale of New Town Commission loans for sitting tenants; and whether he will re-examine the matter with a view to providing this help for sitting tenants.

In the interests of good estate management the Commission are likely to restrict sales of their rented housing stock to particular estates. It would inequitable to allow a tenant, permitted to buy the house he was already renting, to receive a financial concession denied to one who could only purchase by moving house.

Home Department

Breath Tests (Police Stations)

86.

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department what facilities are available to motorists, who make a request at a police station for a breathalyser test when they are in doubt as to the amount of alcohol consumed.

Breath tests at police stations are offered only to persons arrested under Section 6 of the Road Traffic Act 1960 or Section 2 of the Road Safety Act 1967.

Non-Returnable Glass Containers

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department if, in view of the public confidence in the distribution of liquids in non-returnable glass containers, he will take steps to encourage the greater use of this container on grounds of safety and hygiene.

Provided that containers present no undue risk to the public, I have no grounds for preferring one type to another. Containers used to supply food or drink to the public must satisfy the relevant requirements of the Food Hygiene (General) Regulations, 1960, irrespective of the materials from which they are made.

Sir Thomas More (Free Pardon)

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department whether he will consider recommending a posthumous free pardon for Sir Thomas More when the plaque commemorating his trial is placed in Westminster Hall.

City Of London (Elections Franchise)

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department whether he will take steps to remove the anomalies in the franchise and restrictions on candidates in local government in the City of London.

The franchise for elections of Common Councilmen is the same as that in boroughs generally; so, for all practical purposes, will be the qualifications for candidates when the City of London (Various Powers) Bill 1967, now awaiting Royal Assent, becomes law.

Reading Borstal (Inquiry)

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department when he expects to publish the results of his inquiry into allegations made against the staff who were at Reading Borstal some years ago.

The inquiry now being carried out by members of the Board of Visitors at Reading Borstal is not yet concluded, but I hope it will be ready in a month's time.

Animals Exports (Research Purposes)

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department if he will introduce legislation to ban the export of animals for vivisection.

I have no proposals for legislation, but the question of safeguards for animals exported for research purposes is under consideration.

New Police Training Centre(Site)

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department if he will take steps to ensure that the new police training centre to be built by the Cornwall and Devon Police Authority is sited at Launceston.

The selection of a site for any new police training centre would, in the first instance, be a matter for the police authority.

British Standard Time

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department (1) if he will name the organisations which have communicated to the Government their wish for British Standard Time to be introduced;(2) what organisations or associations have indicated their opposition to the introduction of British Standard Time.

The views of the 80 or so organisations and associations consulted do not lend themselves to a clear separation on the lines asked for, but I will give an account of the views expressed in consultations when the British Standard Time Bill comes before the House.

National Finance

Civil Service (Widow's Pension)

87.

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer in how many cases, in each of the last three years, a widow of a civil servant who has remarried and

Average annual rates of increase (per cent.)
United KingdomUnited States of America
Corporate ProfitsCorporate profits
YearBefore taxAfter taxNational incomeBefore taxAfter taxNational income
1956–1966……3·75·25·85·96·95·8
1961–1966……3·24·25·810·311·97·6
1963–1966……1·83·26·011·713·58·6
Corporate profits as percentage of national income
United KingdomUnited States of America
YearProfits before taxProfits after taxProfits before taxProfits after tax
1956………17·412·513·16·9
1961………16·012·711·76·3
1963………16·012·812·16·7
1966………14·211·813·27·7
Note: The figures for both countries have been taken from returns made to O.E.C.D. and follow the definitions used by that organisation. Thus, profits are reckoned after receipts and payments of interest (including debenture interest) but before payment of dividends on ordinary and preference shares, and after deduction of capital consumption and stock appreciation. Profits of overseas branches and subsidiaries are included and those of resident branches and subsidiaries of overseas parents are excluded. National income has been used for comparison as being more appropriate to this definition than gross domestic product. The figures for corporate profits relate to the private sector and exclude public corporations.

Balance Of Payments(Industrial Disputes)

88.

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer what is his estimate of the effect on Great Britain's balance of payments that has been caused by industrial disputes over the last 18 months.

again been bereaved has been granted the restoration of her pension in full; in how many cases the pension has been restored in part; and in how many it has not been restored at all.

I regret that this information is not readily available and could not be obtained without disproportionate cost and effort.

Corporate Profits

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer if he will publish in the Official Report figures showing the percentage increase in the value of corporation profits before tax, the value of corporation profits after tax, the value of the gross domestic product, and the percentage ratio between the first and second on the one hand and the third on the other over the past 10 years the past five years, and the past three years, respectively, for the United Kingdom and, from information received from international sources, for the United States of America, respectively.

The seamen's strike in 1966 and the dock strikes in 1967 have caused a direct and violent disturbance to the trade figures for individual months—with secondary effects on confidence in sterling—but their net effect on the trade balance over a period will probably be found to have been relatively small. The seamen's strike however caused a net loss of shipping earnings in 1966 estimated at about £25 million.Many other industrial disputes are also likely to have had at least an indirect effect on the balance of payments, of a son: which cannot be quantified.

Travel Allowance

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer whether, in view of the desirability of maintaining the maximum possible commercial and cultural relations between European Free Trade Association countries, he will investigate the possibility of making a special arrangement to increase the amount of foreign exchange available for British persons wishing to visit European Free Trade Association countries so as to compensate for the reduction in the purchasing power of the £ sterling in those European Free Trade Association countries which have not devalued.

No. Currency issued (or travel to one non-sterling country is freely convertible into any other currency. A special allowance for visitors to European Free Trade Association countries would be impracticable as well as contrary to our international obligations.

£ Sterling (Purchasing Power)

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer what was the purchasing power of the £ sterling on 17th November 1967, in terms of its purchasing power in mid-October, 1964.

Taking the internal purchasing power of the £ sterling as 20s. in October, 1964 its value in November 1967 is estimated at 18s. 0d.This estimate is based on changes in the Consumer Price Index for calendar years adjusted by movements in the Retail Price Index for the months at the beginning and end of the period.

Public Service Pensions

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer what proposals he is considering to restore the value of the pre-1956 public service pensions.

I would refer my hon. Friend to the former Financial Secretary's speech on the Public Service and Armed Forces Commission Bill on 3rd February which dealt with the question of the form and the timing of measures to increase public service pensions.—[Vol. 740, c. 985–90.]

Consumers' Expenditure

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer what steps he intends to take to ensure that consumers expenditures, in real terms, are lowered following devaluation.

The measures which the Government has taken so far will check the growth of consumers' expenditure; there can be little if any scope for an increase in consumption next year, given the need to shift resources into improving the balance of payments and increasing investment.

Economic Affairs

Prices And Incomes

89.

asked the Secretary of State for Economic Affairs what discussions he has had with the Trades Union Congress since devaluation to satisfy himself that wage and price movements will be contained through the voluntary systems of vetting.

My right hon. Friend the Minister of Labour and I saw the T.U.C. on 20th November to discuss the application of prices and incomes policy after devaluation. My right hon. Friends the Prime Minister, the Chancellor of the Exchequer and I will be discussing with the T.U.C. this afternoon their Review of economic prospects, and the implications for incomes of the economic outlook.

asked the Secretary of State for Economic Affairs under what statutory and other authority he will deal with increases in prices due to devaluation where they are greater than is justified by the increase in overall costs.

The Prices and Incomes Acts, 1966 and 1967, enable the Government, where necessary, to refer price increases to the National Board for Prices and Incomes and to impose temporary standstills on prices. I would also refer my hon. Friend to the reply given on 8th December to my hon. Friend the Member for West Lothian (Mr. Dalyell). —[Vol. 755, c. 412–3.]

Railways

Southern Region (Weather)

90.

asked the Minister of Transport whether she will ask the appropriate transport users' consultative committee for a report on the effects of weather on the operations of British Railways, Southern Region, in view of the fact that the information made available to passengers about cancellations and delays is inadequate, communication between control and individual stations is at times non-existent and rail journeys of 60 miles may take over eight hours.

I regret the inconvenience caused to passengers by the recent bad weather but my right hon. Friend does not think that she should refer this to the T.U.C.C.

Closures

asked the Minister of Transport what proportion of the mileage of railways has been closed since 1957 in Wales, Scotland and England, respectively, to passengers or freight or to both.

I regret the information requested is not available. But I can assure the hon. Member that no consents have been given to the closure of passenger railway lines in Wales since October, 1964.

Suburban Services

asked the Minister of Transport what percentage of the estimated cost of maintaining suburban rail services in the Passenger Transport Authorities will be met by Government grant in the second, in the third and in the fourth year.

As stated in the White Paper on Public Transport and Traffic, the level of Government grant will be tapered over a period of years in the light of progress with the transport plan which the new authorities will have to prepare and of the rising level of other forms of Government help to public transport. No decisions can be taken at this stage on the exact rates for years after the first.

asked the Minister of Transport what figures she has obtained, in preparing her proposed legislation, for the estimated loss on suburban rail services in the Manchester, West Midlands, Merseyside and Tyneside areas, respectively, for 1968, 1969 and 1970.

The financial situation of suburban rail services in future years will depend on the policies pursued by the Authorities and Executives for the areas concerned, and on what services the Authorities consider should be provided to meet local travel needs.

Peak Hour Travel(Manchester, Liverpool,Birmingham And Newcastle)

asked the Minister of Transport what figures she has obtained, in preparing her proposed legislation, to indicate the proportion of peak-hour passenger traffic being carried by rail in and out of Manchester, Liverpool, Birmingham and Newcastle, respectively.

Because of differences in definition, no precise comparison can be made, but about 15 per cent. of peak hour passengers travel into the central areas of Manchester and Liverpool by rail; for Newcastle and Birmingham the proportion is about half this.

Transport

Government Motor Vehicles(Headlamps)

asked the Minister of Transport if she will ensure that all Government four-wheeled vehicles on the road at night are fitted with at least two headlamps.

My right hon. Friend will lay very shortly after Christmas, Regulations requiring most four-wheeled vehicles to be fitted with at least two headlamps. These will cover Government vehicles other than those belonging to or in the service of Her Majesty's Forces. We are now considering how far Forces vehicles may be included.

Passenger Transport Authorities(Manchester, Merseyside,West Midlands And Tyneside)

asked the Minister of Transport which local authorities will be consulted on the delineation of the areas to be covered by the Greater Manchester, Merseyside, West Midlands and Tyneside Passenger Transport Authorities, respectively.

Clause 9(2) of the Transport Bill provides for the Minister to consult with all county councils, county borough councils and county district councils whose areas fall wholly or partly within an area to be designated and also those councils whose areas are continuous with the area to be designated.

asked the Minister of Transport (1) what calculations she has made to indicate the capital requirements of the Greater Manchester, Merseyside, West Midlands and Tyneside Passenger Transport Authorities, respectively, in equipping themselves for the business of providing tours and excursions;(2) what calculations she has made to indicate the capital requirements of the Greater Manchester, Merseyside, West Midlands and Tyneside Passenger Transport Authorities, respectively, in equipping themselves for the business of hiring out buses and cars;(3) what estimate she has made of the profits which will flow from the hiring out of buses and cars by the Greater Manchester, Merseyside, West Midlands and Tyneside Passenger Transport Authorities, respectively, in the first, second and third year of operation;(4) what estimate she has made of the profits which will flow from the provision of all facilities needed to complement the basic public transport system by the Greater Manchester, Merseyside, West Midlands and Tyneside Passenger Transport Authorities, respectively, in the first, second and third year of operation;(5) what estimates she has made of the profits which will flow from the operation of tours and excursions by the Greater Manchester, Merseyside, West Midlands and Tyneside Passenger Transport Authorities, respectively, in the first, second and third year of operation.

The powers to operate tours and excursions, hire out buses and cars, and provide facilities needed to complement the basic transport system which is proposed in the Transport Bill for Passenger Transport Executives, are permissive. Each Executive will be able to decide for itself what services and facilities to provide, subject to obtaining the permission of the Traffic Commissioners where necessary and to any limits imposed under the legislation.

asked the Minister of Transport what representations she has received from the Transport and General Workers union on the level of wages and conditions of employment in the areas to be covered by the Greater Manchester, Merseyside, West Midlands and Tyneside Passenger Transport Authorities, respectively.

The Transport and General Workers Union and the other trade unions concerned have discussed with my right hon. Friend various matters relating to the employment of their members by Passenger Transport Executives.

asked the Minister of Transport (1) at what rate it is intended to replace the existing buses with one-man buses in the Greater Manchester, Merseyside, West Midlands and Tyneside Passenger Transport Authorities, respectively;(2) what calculations she has made, in preparing her proposals for the reorganisation of transport, of the cost of changing over the existing bus fleets in the Greater Manchester, Merseyside, West Midlands and Tyneside areas, respectively, to one-man operation.

The replacement rate of vehicle and the extent of one-man operation will be a matter for each Passenger Transport Executive and other bus operators to determine, taking into account local operating circumstances and the scope for improving efficiency by these means. The cost of replacement will vary according to the number and types of vehicles involved. The proposals for new bus grants in the Transport Bill are intended to assist undertakings in this respect.

asked the Minister of Transport, in view of her proposed legislation, what estimate she has made of the capacity which exists in the Greater Manchester, Merseyside, West Midlands and Tyneside areas to carry more passengers on public bus transport than at present in the morning and evening rush-hour periods.

In terms of the number of buses available the capacity exists already, but because of rush hour congestion it cannot often be exploited to the full. In most urban areas significant improvements in bus movement can only be achieved if systematic traffic and parking control measures are adopted by the local authorities concerned.In the statement of their policies which the Transport Bill provides for a Passenger Transport Authority and Executive to make after the first year of the Authority's existence, we are proposing there should be included an item on machinery for securing co-ordination between the planning and operation of bus services and the plans and policies of local authorities for traffic regulation and parking.

Bus Staff (Manchester, Merseyside,West Midlands And Tyneside)

asked the Minister of Transport (1) what she estimates will be the additional number of drivers required as a result of the proposed reduction in work hours in the Greater Manchester, Merseyside, West Midlands and Tyneside conurbations, respectively;(2) what she estimates will be the additional cost in wages and benefits to the Greater Manchester, Merseyside, West Midlands and Tyneside Passenger Transport Authorities, respectively, for the extra drivers that will be required as a result of the proposed new limit on hours of work.

The extent to which additional bus drivers may be required and changes in the total cost of employing drivers would depend upon what adjustments were made in the bus undertakings concerned, taking into account the considerations referred to in para- graphs 111 and 112 of the White Paper on Public Transport and Traffic (Cmnd. 3481).

asked the Minister of Transport what she estimates will be the number of redundancies in staff resulting from the proposed centralisation of all municipal bus services under a single passenger transport authority in the Greater Manchester, Merseyside, West Midlands and Tyneside conurbations, respectively.

The arrangements for staff transferred to the employ of an Executive will be a matter for the Executive, subject to legislative provisions for protecting staff interests.

asked the Minister of Transport (1) what calculations she has made to show the economies that will result from centralised purchasing in the Greater Manchester, Merseyside, West Midlands and Tyneside Passenger Transport Authorities, respectively;(2) what estimate she has made of the savings which will result from rationalisation of services in the areas of the Greater Manchester, Merseyside, West Midlands and Tyneside Passenger Transport Authorities, respectively;(3) what calculations she has made to show the economies that will result from the rationalisation of garage and maintenance facilities in the Greater Manchester, Merseyside, West Midlands and Tyneside Passenger Transport Authorities, respectively;(4) what calculations she made to show the economies that will result from the standardisation of vehicles in the Merseyside, West Midlands, Greater Manchester and Tyneside Passenger Transport Authorities, respectively;(5) what calculations she has made to show the economies that will result from the standardisation of supplies in the Greater Manchester, Merseyside, West Midlands and Tyneside Passenger Transport Authorities, respectively.

The savings and economies referred to will depend on the policies for the organisation and management of their undertaking adopted by the Passenger Transport Authority and Executive in each area.

Bus Services (Manchester, Liverpool,Birmingham And Newcastle)

asked the Minister of Transport if she will list the specific problems of severance and restrictions facing public transport travellers in each of the following areas, Greater Manchester, Liverpool, Birmingham and Newcastle, respectively.

In these areas municipal and company bus services frequently overlap and complex working agreements are necessary. In some cases these agreements impose restrictions on boarding and alighting points and fare levels which prevent development of an economic pattern of services on an area basis. Other inconveniences include the absence of through-booking facilities in some areas and different conditions of carriage between operators.

asked the Minister of Transport if she will publish detailed costings indicating the estimated economies of management arising from the merging of the municipal bus undertakings in the Manchester, Liverpool, Birmingham and Newcastle areas, respectively.

It will be for Passenger Transport Executives to organise their undertakings in units of the size they themselves think most suitable for efficient management. I have no doubt they will take advantage of the opportunities for economy that this offers.

Buses (Standardisation Savings)

asked the Minister of Transport what calculations she has received from the bus manufacturing industry to show the savings as a result of increased standardisation of bus types.

The savings cannot be quantified at this stage, but the bus manufacturing industry has always said that they would be substantial.

Travel Concessions (Manchester,West Midlands, Merseyside Andtyneside)

asked the Minister of Transport what calculations she has made as to the estimated cost to the local authorities of introducing travel concessions throughout the Greater Manchester, West Midlands. Merseyside and Tyneside conurbations, respectively.

The introduction of any further travel concessions, under local authorities' existing powers or under the extended powers proposed in the Transport Bill, will be at the discretion of the local authorities concerned or of the Passenger Transport Authorities. The cost would depend on the nature of the concessions granted.

Municipal Bus Operators(Drivers' Hours Of Work)

asked the Minister of Transport what length of time she proposes to allow the municipal bus operators to adjust to the requirements of the proposed new limits on bus drivers' hours.

My right hon. Friend will consider the date for introducing these requirements for bus undertakings generally, taking into account the factors referred to in paragraphs 111 and 112 of the White Paper on Public Transport and Traffic (Cmnd. 3481). The bus industry will be consulted as there stated.

Traffic And Transport Plans

asked the Minister of Transport whether she will list the towns and cities which are to be invited to prepare transportation plans up to the mid-1970's.

All traffic and parking authorities in the conurbations outside Greater London and all other English urban authorities over 50,000 population will be invited to prepare the traffic and transport plans referred to in Section X of Cmnd. 3481. Smaller traffic authorities may also prepare such plans if they wish.

Municipal Buses (Liverpool)

asked the Minister of Transport (1) what will be the basis of compensation for the acquisition of freehold properties used for the operation of municipally-operated buses in Liverpool by public transport authorities; and how this cost to public funds will be met;(2) what will be the basis of compensation for the acquisition of leasehold properties used for the operation of municipally-operated buses in Liverpool by public transport authorities; and how this cost to public funds will be met;(3) what will be the basis of compensation for the acquisition of municipally-operated buses in Liverpool by public transport authorities; and how this cost to public funds will be met.

I refer the hon. Member to the reply I gave to the hon. Member for Manchester, Moss Side (Mr. Frank Taylor), on 15th December, 1967.—[Vol. 756 c. 252–253.]

Municipal Buses (Birmingham)

asked the Minister of Transport (1) what will be the basis of compensation for the acquisition of leasehold properties used for the operation of municipally-operated buses in Birmingham by public transport authorities and how this cost to public funds will be met;(2) what will be the basis of compensation for the acquisition of municipally-operated buses in Birmingham by public transport authorities; and how this cost to public funds will be met;(3) what will be the basis of compensation for the acquisition of freehold properties used for the operation of municipally-operated buses in Birmingham by public transport authorities; and how this cost to public funds will be met.

I refer the hon. Member to the reply I gave to the hon. Member for Manchester, Moss Side (Mr. Frank Taylor), on 15th December, 1967.—[Vol. 756 c. 252–253.]

Municipal Buses (Newcastle)

asked the Minister of Transport (1) what will be the basis of compensation for the acquisition of leasehold properties used for the operation of municipally-operated buses in Newcastle by public transport authorities; and how this cost to public funds will be met;(2) what will be the basis of compensation for the acquisition of municipally-operated buses in Newcastle by public transport authorities; and how this cost to public funds will be met;(3) what will be the basis of compensation for the acquisition of freehold properties used for the operation of municipally-operated buses in Newcastle by public transport authorities; and how this cost to public funds will be met.

I refer the hon. Member to the reply I gave to the hon. Member for Manchester, Moss Side (Mr. Frank Taylor), on 15th December, 1967.—[Vol. 756 c. 252–253.]

Passenger Transport Executives(Headquarters Staff)

asked the Minister of Transport what estimate she made, in preparing her proposed legislation, of the probable size of the headquarters staff of the executive in the Passenger Transport Authorities in Manchester, Liverpool, Birmingham and Newcastle, respectively.

It will be for the executives themselves to decide what headquarters staff to employ so as to discharge their responsibilities in the most effective way.

Motor Vehicles (Dipped Headlights)

asked the Minister of Transport if she will take steps to make it obligatory for all drivers of road vehicles to use both headlights, dipped when appropriate, on unlit roads during hours of darkness.

We have been studying the report on the use of headlamps and my right hon. Friend hopes to announce her decision shortly.

Motor Vehicles (White Reflectors)

asked the Minister of Transport if she will introduce regulations requiring vehicles to be fitted with forward-facing white reflectors on both wings.

No. We do not consider that this would make a significant contribution to road safety.There is, however, no legal objections to such reflectors being fitted.

Road Accidents (Excessive Drivinghours)

asked the Minister of Transport what proportion of road accidents involving serious injury or loss of life were caused or contributed to by drivers having driven excessive hours, in the last three years for which figures are available.

Road Haulage And Abnormalloads Charges

asked the Minister of Transport what steps she is taking to relieve the road transport services in places where there is no alternative form of transport from the effects of the proposed heavier duties.

Heavy lorries and lorries carrying abnormal loads cause additional wear and tear and congestion on the roads in all parts of the country. We have no plans to exempt particular areas from the new road haulage and abnormal loads charges.

Roads

Track Costs

asked the Minister of Transport what calculations she has made to show the apportionment of cost of road usage between one category of road user and another.

I hope to publish my report on track costs referred to in the White Paper on the Transport of Freight early in the new year.

Level Crossing (Helmsdale)

asked the Minister of Transport if she will give an assurance that she will approve an application to reposition the Marrel number 2 level crossing at Helmsdale, Sutherland, in view of the danger to the public which the present crossing constitutes.

I understand that British Railways Scottish Region and Sutherland County Council are in consultation about a realignment of the road concerned at the consequent repositioning of the level crossing. The Railways have not yet made any application in respect of the crossing, but when they do so my right hon. Friend will carefully consider it in the light of all the circumstances and with particular regard to the safety of the public.

Shipping

Stranraer-Larne Service

asked the Minister of Transport where operational control of the ships on the Stranraer-Larne crossing will be exercised from in future; and whether she will make a statement.

The Railways Board inform me that there are no proposals for changing the operational control of this service, which is at present exercised from Stranraer.The Transport Bill makes provision for the transfer of the domestic Scottish shipping services to the proposed Scottish Transport Group, but the balance of advantage lies in the operation of the Stranraer-Larne service continuing with the Railways Board in view of the functional relationship between that service and the Board's other Irish and international services.

Technology

Departmental Expenditure

asked the Minister of Technology what was the total expenditure of his Department last year in England, Wales and Scotland, respectively.

[pursuant to his reply, OFFICIAL REPORT, 6th December, 1967; Vol. 755, c. 343], supplied the following information:The reference to the Ministry of Aviation means, of course, only that part of the Ministry of Aviation which was transferred to my Department.

British Aircraft (Marketstudies)

asked the Minister of Technology if he will publish in the OFFICIAL REPORT a list of the extra departmental market studies of British aircraft sales which he has commissioned during the past 12 months, together with the cost in each case.

In the past twelve months the Department has contributed 25 per cent. of the cost of a study commissioned by Westland Aircraft Limited and has placed with the Universities of Leeds and Southampton research study contracts on the subject of future intercity air travel.The Ministry's total expenditure on these three studies to completion is estimated at £17,000.

National Research Developmentcorporation

asked the Minister of Technology what has been the total investment of public funds in the National Research Development Corporation since its inception; and how much of these investments have been recovered to date.

Up to November, 1967, the total amount advanced to the National Research Development Corporation was £15,436,000 of which the Corporation has repaid £554,000, leaving a balance outstanding of £14,882,000.The Corporation has a considerable investment in projects and patents, which are revenue earning or should become so.

Clyde Shipyards (Merger)

asked the Minister of Technology if the Shipbuilding Industry Board will ensure that the merger of the upper reaches of the Clyde shipyards will be planned on the basis of the continued building of ships at the five shipyards at present operating there.

Concorde Aircraft

asked the Minister of Technology if he will list the countries which have now placed orders for the Concorde aircraft with the quantity and estimated value in each case.

Seventy-four delivery positions have been reserved for sixteen airlines from ten countries. Listed by country these are:

U.S.A.38
U.K.8
France8
Australia4
Canada4
Germany3
Japan3
Belgium2
Lebanon2
India2
The estimated value of each aircraft with its spares is in the region of £10 million.

Departmental Cost Accountants

asked the Minister of Technology (1) whether he is satisfied that the numbers of qualified cost accountants in his Department are in adequate ratio to its staff of 40,000; and if he will make a statement;(2) how many qualified cost accountants there are at the moment in his Department.

17. This number cannot be regarded as entirely satisfactory, although our interest in staff with this qualification is not related by any simple ratio to total staff numbers. The Department has advertised regularly for Cost and Works Accountants on contracts but with disappointing results. We are now giving greater attention to arrangements for training our own staff to obtain professional qualifications in this field. In addition to cost accountants, the Department employs 90 chartered and certified accountants.

Military Research Airfields

asked the Minister of Technology whether he will make a statement on the deployment of work between the military research airfields in this country.

Military research which involves flying is deployed among Ministry of Technology establishments according to their function. The Royal Aircraft Establishment, for example, at Farnborough, Hants, and Bedford is mainly concerned with research and experimentation in support of aerospace projects; the Aeroplane and Armament Experimental Establishment at Boscombe Down, Wilts., undertakes the proving and acceptance testing of military aircraft systems; and the Royal Radar Establishment at Malvern conducts investigations in the field of radar and electronics. Development of miltary equipments is generally contracted to industry.

asked the Minister of Technology how many men are employed at each of the military research airfields in this country.

The following numbers are employed at the airfields attached to Ministry of Technology Establishments engaged on military research and development:—

Aeroplane and Armament Experimental Establishment970
Royal Aircraft Establishment1180
Royal Radar Establishment420
The activity of these Establishments is not exclusively military in character. Military research and development is also carried out at contractors' airfields, but information is not available as to the numbers of staff they employ at their airfields on this work.

Departmental Expenditure

asked the Minister of Technology if he will break down the £580 million spent by his Department last year in England and the £6 million it spent in Wales during the same period to indicate the distribution of the expenditure.

The expenditure by my Department in 1966–67 in England and Wales was distributed approximately as follows:

England £ million Wales £ million
(1) Supply of aircraft and other equipment, mainly for the Service Departments2693
(2) Other Aerospace expenditure2363
(3) Payments to the U.K. A.E.A. and others for reserve capacity, special materials and service540
(4) Expenditure on Industrial Service210
Total5806

Hawker Siddeley Harrier Aircraft(Contracts)

asked the Minister of Technology if production contracts have now been finalised for the purchase of the Hawker Siddeley Harrier vertical takeoff and landing aircraft by Her Majesty's Government; and what are the numbers of total value.

Negotiations with Hawker Siddeley Aviation Ltd. and Bristol Siddeley Engines Ltd. are continu- ing on incentive contracts for development and supply of Harrier aircraft on the same basis as I indicated in the answer which I gave on 6th November. I am still hopeful that the discussions will shortly be brought to a successful conclusion, but negotiations for contracts of this complexity and cost necessarily take time. The absence of final agreement militates neither against the progress of this project nor against its ultimate cost as both firms have been given the necessary authority to proceed. It is not the practice to disclose the numbers of aircraft ordered for the Services, nor their value.

Ministry Of Defence

F111k Aircraft

92.

asked the Secretary of State for Defence what he estimates to be the total net savings in foreign exchange of the immediate cancellation of the contract for the purchase of 50 F111K aircraft from the United States of America.

We do not propose to cancel this aircraft. In any event there would doubtless be heavy cancellation charges and substantial loss of offset sales.

93.

asked the Secretary of State for Defence in view of the failure of the F111K aircraft to meet its original specifications, if he will cancel the contract for the purchase of 50 F111K aircraft, instead of attempting to negotiate a new £50 million offset agreement with the United States Government to balance the increase in cost caused by devaluation.

No. As regards performance, I would remind the hon. Member of the Answer I gave to him on 13th December.—[Vol. 756, c. 129–130.]

Royal Naval Air Station, Lossiemouth

asked the Secretary of State for Defence if he will make a statement on the future of the Royal Naval Air Station at Lossiemouth.

The Royal Naval Air Station at Lossiemouth will be required for Naval use for some years to come.

Education And Science

Mrs Sinkins (Letter)

94.

asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science when Mrs. Sinkins of The Old Cottage, Whitewood, South Godstone, is likely to receive a reply to her letter to him, acknowledged by his office on 27th November, concerning the difficulties of Smallfield County Primary School.

I regret that Mrs. Sinkins' original letter cannot be found, but I have now received a copy to which a reply will be sent as soon as possible.

Clovelly School, North Devon

asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science what plans he has to give assistance for Clovelly School, North Devon in view of its importance in the life of this area.

Pre-Teacher Training Courses(Mature Students' Grants)

asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science (1) if he will list in the OFFICIAL REPORT the local education authorities in the United Kingdom which provide grants for mature students on pre-teacher training courses, and also the counties which do not;(2) what are the numbers of mature students receiving grants for pre-teacher training courses in this country.

asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science whether he will take steps to make the provision of grants for mature students by local education authorities for pre-teacher training courses, mandatory, instead of discretionary.

General Certificate Of Education(Examining Boards)

asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science if he will now take steps to bring the eight separate General Certificate of Education boards together under public control.

No. But there is already a central representative body—the Schools Council—one of whose tasks is the co-ordination of the work of the bodies responsible for secondary school examinations.

asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science (1) what was the cost of operating the General Certificate of Education in the last year for which information is available;(2) on what basis the present General Certificate of Education boards and subject advisory panels are appointed.

Examining Boards for the General Certificate of Education are independent bodies responsible for their own finances and are not required to report on them to my right hon. Friend.The boards were set up at different times and in different circumstances and have no common constitutional basis. All but one have close links with universities which were concerned with their establishment. In all boards the subject advisory panels include a strong teacher representation.

South Africa (Arms Ban)

95.

asked the Prime Minister if he will make a further statement on the request received by Her Majesty's Government for the export of armaments of any description from the United Kingdom to the Republic of South Africa; and what reply has been returned.

I would refer my hon. Friend to the Statement I made earlier today.

asked the Prime Minister what representations he has received regarding Her Majesty's Government's policy over the embargo on the export of arms to South Africa.

I have received a number of representations on this as on other aspects of Government policy but an analysis of those representations could only be provided at a disproportionate expenditure of time and money.

Agriculture, Fisheriesand Food

Food Prices (European Economiccommunity)

asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food what revision he is taking, in view of the devaluation of sterling estimates given by him in column 1412 of HANSARD for 9th May, 1967, of rises in food prices and the cost of living likely to follow the adoption by the United Kingdom of the common agricultural policy of the European Economic Community.

It will not be possible to make reliable revised estimates until the implications of devaluation for world commodity prices and for the pattern of food consumption in the United Kingdom become more clear. It seems clear, however, that, assuming unchanged Community prices and no changes in world prices ocher than those resulting from devaluation, the increase in the cost of food resulting from the adoption by the United Kingdom of the common agricultural policy would be somewhat greater as a result of devaluation.

Broccoli And Cauliflower(Statutory Grades)

asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food what representations he has received concerning the compulsory grading scheme for broccoli and cauliflower; and if he will stop this scheme coming into force.

I have recently received representations that statutory grades should not be introduced for cauliflowers and other representations that their introduction should be postponed. I can find no grounds for departing from the decision I announced on 25th January, 1966.—[Vol. 723, c. 26.]

Oats (Imports)

asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food whether, in view of the increased acreage of oats in Great Britain and higher yields per acre, he will take steps to limit further imports of oats.

No. Imports of oats during the first four months of the current crop year amounted to only 2,290 tons, consisting mainly of special high quality oats for racehorses. This quantity is negligible in relation to this year's home crop which is estimated at over 1·3 million tons.

Red Sands Fort (Policeproceedings)

asked the Attorney-General whether he will instruct the Director of Public Prosecutions to institute proceedings in the case of the theft of equipment and scrap metal from the Red Sands Fort on Sunday, 6th August.

This matter has been investigated by the police, who, after consultation with the Director of Public Prosecutions, have decided that proceedings by them would not be justified.

Overseas Development

Burma (Exchange Of Post-Graduate Students)

asked the Minister of Overseas Development what discussions he had in Rangoon on the exchange of post-graduate students between Great Britain and Burma.

Vietnam (Aid)

asked the Minister of Overseas Development what proposals he has for providing more medical and civilian aid to refugees in, and the population of, Southern Vietnam.

We hope to expand our medical team at the Children's Hospital in Saigon by engaging a seventh doctor, a radiographer, and four more nurses within the next two or three months; to provide more equipment and to continue to introduce new techniques at the Children's Hospital as and when the Vietnamese authorities indicate that these would be welcome and that they can supply necessary backing-up facilities; and to receive Vietnamese medical personnel in this country for specialised courses in aspects of paediatrics. We have been asked to provide lecturers in paediatrics at a new post-graduate medical centre in Saigon which is being established in late 1968.A factor which has been causing my Ministry some concern however is the difficulty in finding suitable British personnel who can both be released from their existing commitments here and who are prepared to spend one or more years in Saigon.Although many of the children at the Saigon hospital are refugees or orphans, I have no present plans for providing aid to refugees as such. I wholeheartedly welcome the admirable work being done by British voluntary and charitable organisations in this and related spheres.As regards other forms of civilian governmental aid, the possibilities are under constant review, and, as the House will be aware from my reply to my hon. Friend the Member for Lewisham, West (Mr. Dickens) on 14th November, aid to Vietnam has in fact been increasing very rapidly.—[Vol. 754, c.

78.]

asked the Minister of Overseas Development whether, to implement Her Majesty's Government's policy of giving aid for the relief of suffering, irrespective of politics, he will now offer civil medical assistance equally to North as well as South Vietnam.

I would refer my hon. Friend to the Answer given on 14th November by my hon. Friend the Under-Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs.—[Vol. 754, c. 79.]

Coal

Opencast Mining

asked the Minister of Power if he will give an assurance that the advanced stage of preparation by the National Coal and the need for a new reservoir in the region will not be included among the considerations outside the fuel policy which he will take into account when authorising new sites for opencast mining.

The policy outlined in my reply to my hon. Friend on 8th December will apply to all applications for the authorisation of opencast working, whatever their state of preparation.— [Vol. 755, c. 407.]

Electricity

Nuclear Power Stations

asked the Minister of Power what effect the proposed reductions in capital spending by the nationalised industries are likely to have on the construction of nuclear power stations.

As I told my hon. Friend the Member for Ince on 12th December, final decisions have not yet been taken, but the effect will probably be to defer the start of one power station.—[Vol. 756. c. 194.]

Public Building And Works

Official Cars(Ministers And Civil Servants)

asked the Minister of Public Building and Works if he will give the figures for the number of cars available in London for Ministers and civil servants on convenient dates, showing approximately the position compared with that of 10 years ago.

The Government Car Service currently provides 184 cars for the use of Ministers and Civil Servants in London. The corresponding figure for December, 1957 was 136.

New Government Building, Kirkwall

asked the Minister of Public Building and Works what was the cost of the new building to house the offices of various Government Departments erected in Junction Road, Kirkwall.

Government Staff (Accommodationcost)

asked the Minister of Public Building and Works what estimate he has made of the annual cost per employee of Government office accommodation situated in Central London, and how this cost compares with that of similar accommodation situated in the development areas.

The average annual cost of accommodating Government staff is about £325 a head in Central London and £165 outside London, on the basis of rents for all existing accommodation. On the basis of rents for new hirings, the figures are nearer £750 a year and £250 a year respectively. Separate figures are not available for development areas.These figures cover rent, rates, services and maintenance.

Government Offices (Rents)

asked the Minister of Public Building and Works what is the average cost per square foot for leasing accommodation for Government offices in Central London; and how this compares with similar costs for office accommodation in the development areas.

Rents for offices at present held on lease by my Ministry average about 24s 0d. a square foot in Central London and 9s. 0d. a square foot outside London.Rents for new hirings generally vary between 40s. 0d. and 80s. 0d. a square foot in Central London, and 12s. 0d. to 20s. 0d. a square foot outside London.Separate figures for development areas are not available.

Scotland

Prescriptions (Numbers And Cost)

asked the Secretary of State for Scotland what was the net cost to the Exchequer and number of prescriptions issued through the National Health Service in Scotland for the latest period of 12 months for which figures are available; and what were the corresponding figures for 1964.

The figures for the 12 months ending 30th September. 1967, and for 1964 are:

PeriodNumber of PrescriptionsNet Cost£
1st October, 1966 to 30th September. 196727,927,77015,981,073
1st January, 1964 to 31st December, 196421,951,572*9,166,586
*After deducting charges.

Foot-And-Mouth Disease

asked the Secretary of State for Scotland what precautions he will take to ensure that visitors from areas infected with foot-and-mouth disease who visit Scotland over the Christmas and New Year holidays for ski-ing and other sporting activities, do not spread the disease.

A Press notice giving general guidance and advice to people travelling across the Border on holiday was issued on my behalf to the Scottish Press on 15th December.

Horticultural Industry(Fuel Oil Surcharge)

85.

asked the Secretary of State for Scotland what estimate he has made of the increase in fuel costs to horticultural glasshouse growers as a result of the 2d. per gallon surcharge on fuel oil.

Plywood And Board(Price Increases)

asked the Secretary of State for Scotland what increases have taken place in the price of imported plywood and board as a result of devaluation; and what effect he estimates this will have on the cost of house building in Scotland.

These materials account for only a small part of the cost of a house, and accordingly any increases in their price as a result of devaluation will have an insignificant effect on house-building costs.

Ware Potatoes (Price)

asked the Secretary of State for Scotland what has been the average price of ware potatoes in Scotland over each of the last eight weeks; how this compares with the guaranteed price; and whether he will take steps to introduce a support buying programme.

My Department's estimate of the average price per ton of ware potatoes to growers in Scotland for the eight weeks since 22nd October was £13, £12 15s., £12 12s. 6d.. £12, £11 17s. 6d., £11 17s. 6d., £11 17s. 6d. and £11 15s. respectively. The guaranteed price is £14 10s. per ton which relates to the United Kingdom and the season as a whole.

The Potato Marketing Board, with the approval of my right hon. Friend the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food and myself, has today announced the introduction of a support buying programme for Great Britain.

Rates Revenue

asked the Secretary of State for Scotland what was the total amount collected in rates by local authorities in Scotland for the year 1966–67.

Children (Deaths By Drowning)

asked the Secretary of State for Scotland how many Scottish schoolchildren lost their lives as a result of drowning in the years 1960, 1961, 1962, 1963, 1964, 1965, 1966 and to the nearest available date in 1967.

The following table derived from figures in the annual reports of the Registrar General (1960—Table 41A, 1961–65—Table 57) shows the number of deaths by drowning in Scotland.

YearTotal (all ages)Children (5–14)
196018940
196115828
196216724
196319737
196416725
196515933
Figures for 1966 and 1967 are not yet available. The age group 5–14 is the only one in which schoolchildren can be clearly identified. The total numbers of deaths by drowning may include some schoolchildren of 15 and over.

Social Security

Low Income Families

asked thte Minister of Social Security in view of the official estimate that the £ sterling will be depreciated in purchasing value by 3 to 4 per cent. because of devaluation, that food prices will rise between 5 and 15 per cent., and that rents are to be increased, what action she now intends to take to increase old age pen- sions and all those payments received by those on social welfare benefits.

I would refer my hon. Friend to the replies I gave to the hon. Members for Brentford and Chiswick (Mr. Barnes), Hertford (Lord Balniel) and Harwich (Mr. Ridsdale) on Monday 4th December and would draw his attention to the Government's calculation that the increase in the cost of living due to devaluation will be about 2½ to 3 per cent. The effect of rent increases, where they occur, on retirement pensioners and others with small incomes, is safeguarded in a number of ways, in particular the allowances made in assessing requirements for supplementary benefits and the Government's legislation relating to rebates for rent and rates.—[Vol. 755, c. 931–3.]

Retirement Allowances

asked the Minister of Social Security whether, in view of the hardships felt by many old people owing to increased prices due to devaluation, she will consider issuing retirement allowances to people over 75 on the same lines as family allowances are issued to people with young children.

I would refer the hon. and gallant Member to the statement I made on 29th November. An old person of whatever age who has insufficient resources can claim a Supplementary Pension assessed on the higher scales introduced on 30th October. The rate of Supplementary Pension will take account of his individual circumstances, and I do not see any need for special allowances of the kind suggested.—[Vol. 755, c. 458–9.]

Supplementary Benefit(Dockers' Families)

asked the Minister of Social Security what was the average payment per week per family of supplementary benefit to the families of men involved in the recent unofficial strike at London docks.

The average amount of all the weekly payments made for families who claimed Supplementary Benefit during the strike was abount £6 10s.

Aviation

Gliders (Import Duty)

asked the President of the Board of Trade how many applications for remission of duty on imported gliders have been granted under paragraph 3 of the Fourth Schedule to the Import Duties Act, 1958, during the last 12 months.

Directions to remit import duty on gliders under paragraph 3 of the Fourth Schedule of the Import Duties Act, 1958, have been made in respect of 36 applications received in the 12 months up to 30th November, 1967. These applications covered the import of 45 gliders in all.

Boac (Fares)

asked the President of the Board of Trade whether he is aware that notwithstanding the Government's policy the British Overseas Airways Corporation have increased air fares to Commonwealth countries on the grounds of devaluation in the case of those passengers who booked in and paid for their tickets before devaluation; and what action he proposes to take in these cases.

asked the President of the Board of Trade whether he is aware that it is the policy of British Overseas Airways Corporation to demand additional payment from passengers who bought and paid for their tickets before devaluation but have not yet undertaken their flights; and whether this is in accordance with the Government's prices and incomes policy.

I would refer the hon. Gentlemen to the Answer my right hon. Friend gave on 12th December to my hon. Friend the Member for St. Helens (Mr. Spriggs), in which he announced his approval of the Resolutions of the International Air Transport Association introducing modifications in international air tariffs in the light of the situation following devaluation. These Resolutions apply to independent Commonwealth, as well as to other, countries.The airline routes between this country and dependent territories form, in general, part of a network of international trunk routes and the cabotage fares there- fore have to be closely related to the international fares. While a detailed revision of the cabotage tariff as a whole has not yet been completed my right hon. Friend has approved the consequential increases in fares on cabotage routes between this country and certain dependent territories.I am assure that B.O.A.C. have not charged any air fares, since devaluation, which are not covered by the appropriate Government approvals. No immediate action is therefore called for; we shall issue the new cabotage tariff as soon as possible.—[Vol. 756, c.

120–1.]

Board Of Trade

Factories (Wales)

Evans asked the President of the Board of Trade how many firms have set up factories in Wales since 1964; and how many men and women, respectively, do they employ.

The information in the exact form in which it is requested is not available. However, we do know that from 1st January, 1965, to date over 50 firms not previously operating in Wales have established themselves there and are still in production; they provide employment for about 2,900 men and 1,400 women. These figures take no account of additional employment provided by the expansion of firms who were established in Wales before 1st January, 1965.

Wales

Economic Policy (Statisticalinformation)

asked the Secretary of State for Wales whether he is satisfied that the statistical economic information available to him in Wales is adequate for the purpose of deciding upon economic policy; and what plans he has for improving the information available to him.

Despite recent improvements, there is still a need for more economic information, which I hope the Senior Economic Adviser and the Statistician who have been appointed to the Welsh Office will be able to meet.

Welsh Transport Group

asked the Secretary of State for Wales if he will establish a Welsh Transport Group similar to the Scottish Transport Group outlined in the recent White Paper on Public Transport.

I believe that in the circumstances of Wales the possibility of a Passenger Transport Authority for the whole or a part of the country is more attractive and I am considering this carefully.

Prince Of Wales (Investiture)

asked the Secretary of State for Wales (1) if he will state the main items of cost in the proposed investiture of the Prince of Wales in 1969, for which the total expenditure will be less than £500,000;(2) to what extent there will be military participation in the proposed investiture of the Prince of Wales in 1969; and what is his estimate of the cost of participation by the armed forces.

The hon. Member must await the work of the Earl Marshal and the Investiture Committee before expecting answers to detailed questions. The figures of costs will be included in the published estimates at the appropriate time but it is already clear that excluding roads, the biggest single item in the total expenditure will be on the arrangements at the Castle. Participation in the 1969 ceremony will cover all aspects of national life including the military although the extent of the latter participation is likely to be substantially less than in 1911.

National Theatre For Wales

asked the Secretary of State for Wales if he will set up a working party to study the question of a national theatre for Wales.

I understand that at the meeting of the National Convention last Thursday there was unanimous agreement on the steps that should now be taken to establish a National Theatre for Wales. There is therefore no need to set up a special Working Party. I trust that as a result of the co-operation and good will which were implicit in the recommendations adopted by the Convention, all the difficulties will soon be resolved and rapid progress made towards the realisation of the National Theatre.

Welsh Language Act 1967

asked the Secretary of State for Wales how many translations of public documents into the Welsh language have been prescribed by order under Section 2 of the Welsh language Act 1967.

The act has enabled the Registrar General to exercise powers conferred on him by other enactments to prescribe five forms in Welsh under the Registration of Births (Amendment) Regulations 1967. These regulations will come into operation on 1st January, 1968, and have required the translation of 17 other forms into Welsh which do not themselves need to be prescribed.

asked the Secretary of State for Wales how many orders under Section 2 of the Welsh language Act 1967 he estimates will be made in the next two years.

A number of orders are likely to be made under Section 2 of the Welsh Language Act 1967 in the next two years. Work is now proceeding on the translation of a considerable number of forms commonly used in criminal proceedings, although it will take some time before these can be incorporated in a statutory instrument to be laid before Parliament. The Registrar General will also be exercising the powers conferred on him to prescribe forms to be used in connection with the registration of marriages and death.

Wireless And Television

Local Broadcasting Councils

asked the Postmaster-General which local bodies were asked to put forward names for consideration for appointment to the local radio councils for Leicester, Merseyside, Nottingham and Sheffield; and how many nominations were received from each of these bodies.

Certain bodies such as local authorities, universities, councils of churches, etc., were individually invited to make suggestions for membership of the local Broadcasting Councils but in addition I issued through the Press a general invitation to all organisations and individuals to put forward names. The response was:

LEICESTER LOCAL BROADCASTING COUNCIL
Nominating BodiesNominations
1. Billesdon Rural District Council1
2. Blaby Rural District Council1
3. Board of Deputies of British Jews1
4. Braunstone Community Association1
5. British Broadcasting Corporation24
6. British Council of Churches2
7. Catenian Association4
8. Catholic Radio and Television Centre1
9. Farr, John, M.P.3
10. Leicester Evangelical Council4
11. Leicester. City of, Education Department4
12. Leicester Co-operative Society, Education Committee1
13. Leicester County Borough Council9
14. Leicester County Council4
15. Leicester University3
16. Lutterworth Rural District Council1
17. Musicians' Union1
18. National Council of Women1
19. National Federation of Community Associations1
20. National and Local Government Officers Association1
21. Oadby Urban District Council2
22. Trades Union Congress5
23. Wigston Urban District Council3
MERSEYSIDE LOCAL BROADCASTING COUNCIL
Nominating BodiesNominations
1. Association of Freelance Press Agencies1
2. Bebington, Borough of2
3. Billinge-and-Winstanley Urban District Council2
4. Birkenhead County Borough Council1
5. Bishop of Liverpool2
6. Bootle, County Borough of2
7. British Broadcasting Corporation15
8. British Council of Churches8
9. Carlisle. Mark, M.P.1
10. Catholic Radio and Television Centre1
11. Cave, Norman Mr.3
12. Cheshire County Council2
13. Crosby, Borough of1
14. Crosby Borough Chamber of Trade1
15. Crosby Ratepayers' Assn.1
16. Draughtsmen's and Allied Technicians' Assn.3
17. Ellesmere Port, Borough of1
18. Formby Urban District Council3
19. Fortescue, Tim, M.P.1
20. Hoylake Urban District Council1
21. Huyton-with-Roby Urban District Council3
22. Johnstone, J. Mr.1
23. Kirkby Urban District Council2
24. Lancashire County Council3
25. Liberal Party Chairman1
26. Litherland Urban District Council1
27. Liverpool County Borough Council2
28. Liverpool University3
29. Merseyside Civic Society1
30. Merseyside Free Church Federal Council3
31. Morrison, N. G. A. Mr. (Member B.B.C. 2 Panel Audience Research Dept.)1
32. Musicians' Union1
33. National and Local Government Officers' Assn.1
34. National Union of Journalists1
35. Neston Urban District Council2
36. Prescot Urban District Council1
37. Rainford Urban District Council4
38. Runcorn Rural District Council3
39. Runcorn Urban District Council1
40. St. Helens County Borough Council1
41. Selwyn Lloyd, M.P.2
42. Trades Union Congress5
43. Wallasey, County Borough of1
44. Whiston Rural District Council3
45. Widnes, Borough of2
46. Wirral Urban District Council4
NOTTINGHAM LOCAL BROADCASTING COUNCIL
Nominating bodiesNominations
1. Amalagamated Engineering Union1
2. Arnold Urban District Council1
3. Association of Municipal Corporations4
4. Association of Scientific Workers1
5. Bingham Rural District Council1
6. Bishop of Southwell1
7. Board of Deputies of British Jews3
8. British Broadcasting Corporation30
9. British Council of Churches3
10. British Medical Association1
11. Carlton Division Conservative Association1
12. Carlton Urban District Council2
13. Catholic Radio and Television Centre1
14. Central Nottingham Constituency Labour Party1
15. Cinematograph Exhibitors' Association of Great Britain and Ireland1
16. English, Michael, M.P.13
17. Garratt Baulcombe Associates1
18. Heald, T. R. Mr., for Members of the Local Bar Practising in Nottingham2
19. Joint Committee for Adult Education in Industry1
20. Midland Group Gallery2
21. Musicians Union1
22. National Coal Board-South Notts Area1
23. National Federation of Business and Professional Women of Great Britain and Northern Ireland1
24. National Federation of Community Associations (East Midlands Area Committee)1
25. National and Local Government Officers Association1
26. National Union of Journalists1
27. Nottingham City Council9
28. Nottingham City Director of Education3
29. Nottingham and Derby District Methodist Church1
30. Nottingham and District Trades Council1
31. Nottingham Football Association2
32. Nottingham Mechanics Institution1
33. Nottingham Regional College of Technology Union of Students1
34. Nottingham Poetry Society1
35. Nottingham Soroptimist Club1
36. Nottingham Standing Conference of Women's Organisations2
37. Nottingham University8
38. Nottingham Y.M.C.A.1
39. Nottinghamshire Association of Parish Councils1
40. Nottinghamshire County Council1
41. Nottinghamshire Federation of Women's Institutes1
42. Nottinghamshire Law Society1
43. Silkin, John Rt. Hon. M.P.1
44. Trades Union Congress1
45. Walton. R. G. Mr.3
46. West Bridgford Arts Council1
47. West Bridgford Urban District Council1
48. William Olds Boys' Club1
49. Y.W.C.A. Widows' Club1
SHEFFIELD LOCAL BROADCASTING COUNCIL
Nominating BodiesNominations
1. Association of Municipal Corporations1
2. Board of Deputies of British Jews4
3. British Broadcasting Corporation24
4. British Council of Churches4
5. Catholic Radio and Television Centre1
6. Dronfield and District Council of Churches4
7. Dronfield Urban District Council1
8. Gallon, Archie, President British 1930's Record Society1
9. Heeley Constituency Labour Party1
10. Hooley, Frank, M.P.5
11. Lawson, Cyril1
12. National Association of Schoolmasters2
13. National and Local Government Officers Assn.1
14. North Eastern Association for the Arts1
15. Osborn, John H., M.P.13
16. Rotherham County Borough Council1
17. Rotherham and District Council of Churches8
18. Rotherham Rural District Council4
19. Royal Society of St. George1
20. Rural District Councils Assn.1
21. Sheffield Association for Education1
22. Sheffield Bach Society1
23. Sheffield City Council5
24. Sheffield Civic Society2
25. Sheffield Committee for Community Relations2
26. Sheffield Director of Education2
27. Sheffield and District Federation of Community Assns.1
28. Sheffield Liberal Federation3
29. Sheffield Standing Conference of Voluntary Youth Organisations2
30. Sheffield Trades and Labour Council4
31. Sheffield University2
32. Trades Union Congress3
33. Wortley Rural District Council1

asked the Postmaster-General if he will list the members of the local radio councils for Leicester, Merseyside, Nottingham and Sheffield; and if he will state by whom the members were nominated.

The members of the local Broadcasting Councils for Leicester, Merseyside, Nottingham and Sheffield are:LEICESTERProfessor J. Simmons, M.A. (Chairman). University of Leicester.Mr. Geoffrey Burton, J.P., Vice Chairman. Leicester Theatre Trust.Miss P. K. Coulthard, B.A., Headmistress. Collegiate Girls School, Leicester.Mrs. A. Gumbrill, J.P.Mr. J. M. Hardy, J.P., Secretary, Leicester and District Trades Council.Councillor Dennis J. Holt, Leicester County Council.The Venerable Harold Lockly, Ph.D., Archdeacon of Loughborough.Miss Brenda J. Mead.

Mr. H. Leslie Milliard, T.D., J.P., Secretary, City and County Chamber of Commerce.

Councillor H. B. Peachey, Leicester C.B.C.

Mr. E. Plumley, Secretary, Leicester City Football Club.

Mr. D. Rice, M.A., Warden, Vaughan College.

Mr. A. E. Simmons, Managing Director, Frisby Jarvis and Company.

Mr. D. H. Taylor, Dance Band Leader.

Councillor Bernard Toft, Leicester C.B.C.

MERSEYSIDE

Mr. Norman Cave (Chairman), Managing Director, Cammell Lairds.

Rev. B. R. Boardman, Chaplain of the Sea, International Seamen's Hostel.

Mr. G. Bundred, Chairman Youth Advisory Sub Committee, Kirkby.

Mr. Tony Davis, Leader, "The Spinners" folk music group.

Councillor J. O. P. Griffiths, Cheshire C.C.

Mr. Charles Groves, Liverpool Philharmonic Orchestra.

Dr. T. Kelly, M.A., Ph.D., F.R.Hist.S., Director of Extra-Mural Studies, Liverpool University.

Mrs. N. Nelson.

Very Rev. Edward H. Patey, Dean of Liverpool.

Alderman Hugh Platt, O.B.E., J.P., Birkenhead, C.B.C.

Mr. H. R. Poole, Secretary, Council of Social Service.

Mr. W. James L. Ruchworth, J.P., Chairman, Liverpool Playhouse.

Alderman W. H. Sefton, Liverpool C.B.C.

Alderman H. Macdonald Steward, Liverpool C.B.C.

Mr. H. L. Storrs, Port of Liverpool Manager, Furness-Withy Group.

Mr. F. H. Turner, Secretary, Federation of Shipbuilding and Engineering Unions.

Mr. R. Uren.

Miss M. E. Walsh, M.A., Headmistress, Merchant Taylor's Girls School, Crosby.

NOTTINGHAM

Mr. R. G. Walton (Chairman), Director of the Chamber of Commerce.

Mr. D. P. Bromley, Director, Midland Design and Building Centre.

Miss Jennifer Chapman.

Mr. J. Charlesworth, Secretary, Nottingham and District Trades Council.

Alderman W. Derbyshire, Nottingham C.B.C.

Alderman E. S. Foster, Nottingham C.B.C.

Mr. F. R. Hall-Carter, President, Beeston Trades Council.

Mr. L. A. Harrison, Managing Secretary, Nottingham Co-operative Society Ltd.

Mr. Eric G. Irons, J.P., Magistrate and social worker.

Mrs. Ruth I. Johns, Chairman, Family First Trust.

Professor D. C. Marsh, M.Com., Department of Applied Social Science, The University of Nottingham.

Mr. W. K. Martin, Assistant Managing Director, John Player and Sons.

Mr. J. N. Pallant. School Teacher (Rugby International).

Dr. Gordon Savage, Bishop of Southwell.

Alderman Sir Frank Small, C.B.E., D.L., J.P., Nottinghamshire County Council.

Mr. Edwin Smith, Lecturer, Clifton Teacher Training College.

Professor Harold C. Wiltshire, M.A., Director of Department of Adult Education.

Alderman Mrs. E. A. Yates, Nottinghamshire County Council.

SHEFFIELD

Mr. S. M. de Bartolome (Chairman), Chairman, Spears and Jackson Ltd.

Councillor Mrs. S. M. Cameron, Rotherham C.B.C.

Mr. F. Grayson.

Mr. J. F. Goulden, Managing Director, Sheffield Telegraph and Star.

Mrs. S. M. Greenfield.

Mr. A. B. Hampton, Chairman, Sheffield Playhouse.

Alderman P. H. Jackson, M.A., Sheffield City Council.

Alderman I. Lewis, J.P., Sheffield City Council.

Professor H. N. Robson. M.B., F.R.C.P., F.R.C.P.Ed., F.R.A.C.P., Vice Chancellor, University of Sheffield

Deaconess M. Saunders, Sheffield Committee for Community Relations.

Mr. D. Spooner, Headmaster, Abbeydale Secondary Modern School.

Dr. F. J. Taylor, Bishop of Sheffield.

Mr. V. M. Thomes, Secretary, Sheffield Trades and Labour Council.

Mr. David D. White.

Mr. Norman W. D. Yardley.

As the names were put to me in confidence I do not feel able to disclose who put them forward.

Post Office

British Seamen (Egyptian Mailcensorship)

asked the Postmaster-General what representations he has received about censorship of mail by the Egyptian authorities from the crews of British ships in the Bitter Lakes; and what reply he has sent.

Two-Tier Postal Service (Costs)

asked the Postmaster-General what will be the additional annual running cost incurred by the Post Office as a result of adopting the two-tier postal system in the autumn of 1968, assuming no increase in postal charges.

I do not expect any significant change in running costs as a result of introducing two-tier service but until we know how postings will divide between the first and second class services a reliable forecast is not possible. As mechanisation of the sorting system proceeds the two-tier system should produce cost benefits by spreading sorting work over longer periods and so making for more economical use of machines and labour.

asked the Postmaster-General what will be the capital cost involved for the Post Office in adopting the two-tier postal system in the autumn of 1968, assuming no increase in postal charges.

There will be no capital costs arising directly from the introduction of two-tier service.

Telephone Service

London Exchanges (Leaflet)

asked the Postmaster-General if he will issue a leaflet, free of charge, to telephone subscribers co-relating the old lettered exchanges with the new all-figure exchanges in the London area.

No. This information has been included in the preface to the October 1967 "L to R" volume of the London Postal Area telephone directory, and will be included in future issues of all Dialling Instruction Booklets.