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Written Answers

Volume 777: debated on Monday 3 February 1969

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Written Answers To Questions

Monday, 3rd February, 1969

Transport

British Waterways Board (Annual Accounts)

17.

asked the Minister of Transport whether he will give a general direction to the British Waterways Board to present its annual accounts in a manner which makes it possible to ascertain whether the Board's various operations have been conducted at a profit or at a loss.

My right hon. Friend is discussing with the Waterways Board a revision of the Direction given it under Section 24 of the Transport Act, 1962, on the form of its annual accounts which we intend will show the results of its activities to a degree which is consistent with good commercial practice.

Transportation Centre, Victoria

26.

asked the Minister of Transport what proposals he has received for the development of a Transportation Centre at Victoria; and if he will make a statement.

I understand that the sponsors are not yet ready to make firm proposals.

Motor Cars (Anti-Pollution Equipment)

43.

asked the Minister of Transport what discussions he has had with car manufacturers in regard to the increasing requirements of overseas countries for the fitting of anti-pollution equipment to British cars for export and the growing demand for such devices to be fitted to cars for the home market; and if he will make a statement.

The Department keeps in touch with the motor industry about the various anti-pollution requirements for certain export markets and the discussions between Governments about international standards.The industry is aware of our view that research has not so far shown need for further regulations in the United Kingdom.

Transport Co-Ordination Council, London

55.

asked the Minister of Transport when he plans to hold the next meeting of the Transport Co ordination Council for London.

Bus Services (Concessionary Fares)

56.

asked the Minister of Transport whether he will send a circular to local authorities advising them of the various methods under the Transport Act in which concessionary fares on public bus services can be made available to retirement pensioners.

A circular has been sent to the local authority associations. I have forwarded a copy to my hon. Friend.

Canals (Drowned Children)

58.

asked the Minister of Transport how many children were drowned during the last three years in canals within the control of the Waterways Board.

According to the Board's records, 90 children under 15 years of age.

Merseyside Passenger Transport Area

65.

asked the Minister of Transport what representations he has received from the St. Helens County Borough Council about the inclusion or exclusion of the urban district of Prescot and the parishes of Whiston and Rain-hill from the Merseyside Passenger Transport Area; to what extent he has taken into account in his consideration of this matter the existing pattern of services provided by the St. Helens Transport Department; and if he will make a statement.

We have included these places in the Merseyside Passenger Transport Area because in our view the pattern of travel and development in the area justified it and the local authorities for the areas have accepted the case for it. We have not, therefore, been able to accept the representations of St. Helens that these places should be excluded, but we are satisfied that the services provided by its Transport Department can be fully safeguarded.

Channel Tunnel (Economic Assessment)

69.

asked the Minister of Transport if he will hold a public inquiry to evaluate the economic need for the construction of a Channel Tunnel.

No. A full economic reassessment of the Tunnel project will be made as part of the final phase of Anglo-French studies. The results will be published before a decision to begin construction is taken.

Railways

Oxford Station (Rebuilding)

51.

asked the Minister of Transport what requests he has received from British Railways for authorisation of capital expenditure for the rebuilding of Oxford Station.

Passenger Services, Northallerton

53.

asked the Minister of Transport if he will give an assurance that he will refuse his consent to publication of proposals to close the passenger service to and from Northallerton.

A closure proposal has to be published only when it relates to the discontinuance of all passenger services on any line or from any station. We are aware of no such proposal for services to and from Northallerton.

Saturday Fares (Surcharge)

54.

asked the Minister of Transport if he will give a general direction prohibiting British Rail from imposing a surcharge on all fares on Saturdays between June and September, 1969.

No. I would refer the hon. Member to the Answer given in reply to a Question from the hon. Member for Totnes (Mr. Mawby) on 20th January.—[Vol. 776, c. 20.]

British Railways (Historic Engineering Drawings)

57.

asked the Minister of Transport if he will issue a general direction to British Railways that no original engineering drawings of historic interest, at present in its possession, shall be sent for sale by public auction until all appropriate British museums, institutions and educational establishments have been given an opportunity to acquire them for their collections.

No. We are satisfied that the provisions of Section 144 of the Transport Act, 1968, are adequate. Where items are not covered by these provisions, such as the drawings it is proposed to sell in the near future, the Railways Board tells us it will consider sympathetically any request from appropriate museums and the like for specific documents.

Advanced Passenger Train

63.

asked the Minister of Transport what progress is being made re garding the operation of British Railways' proposed advanced passenger train; what modifications are necessary to track and signalling; and whether such fast pas senger traffic will be required to be separated from all other rail traffic.

British Railways is pushing on with development work. The advanced passenger train should be able to operate at up to 125 m.p.h. without major modifications to track and signalling. For higher speeds, some easing of curves and other modifications may eventually be worth while. Improved control and signalling systems would also then be needed. Segregation from other rail traffic will not be necessary.

Computer-Controlled Freight Trains

64.

asked the Minister of Transport what proposals have been submitted to him by British Railways for the development of fully automatic computer- controlled freight trains; and what investigations he is making in this matter.

British Railways has suggested that computer-controlled self-powered wagons could be developed. But the project is not in its current programme.

Heathrow-Victoria Rail Link

66.

asked the Minister of Transport to what extent the need for financial approval by his Department is holding up the construction of the railway line between Heathrow and Victoria, authorised in the British Railways Act 1967, in view of the need for the railway to match the arrival of jumbo jets and to ease the congestion on the M4 to and from the Airport.

67.

asked the Minis-of Transport when he expects to give his decision about a rail link between Heathrow and Victoria via Feltham.

No scheme has yet been put to us for approval and there is no question of finance having been withheld.

Inverurie Railway Workshops (Proposed Closure)

74.

asked the Minister of Transport what reply he has sent to the letter of 12th December from the Aberdeen Trade Council about the implications of the proposed closure of Inverurie Railway Workshops; and if he will make a statement.

A reply sent by the Department on 20th December referred to the Adjournment debate on 18th December, when the implications of closure were fully discussed, and to the Railways Board's intention to consult the trade unions before coming to a decision.I understand that the Board informed the unions on 22nd January that in its view closure was unavoidable. Before a final decision is taken by the Board there will be full consultation at a further meeting, when the Board will explain the position to the unions and hear their views.

Mid-Wales Service (Closure Proposed)

77.

asked the Minister of Transport whether he plans to reprieve the railway line from Llanelly to Shrewsbury on social grounds; and whether he had now made a final decision.

I am not yet able to add to the reply I gave to the hon. Member on 9th December.—[Vol. 775, c. 12.]

Treherbert-Bridgend Line (Closure Proposal)

80.

asked the Minister of Transport whether, before approving the proposal to close the Treherbert-Bridgend line, he will obtain a report showing the dates over the preceding 10 years on which maintenance and repair works were carried out on the Blaenrhondda Railway Tunnel before its collapse and showing detailed specifications of the work done on each occasion.

No. My right hon Friend's eventual decision on the closure proposal will take account of all relevant financial, social and economic factors, but past treatment of the tunnel is irrelevant.

Track And Rolling Stock, London—Portsmouth Line

asked the Minister of Transport what requests he has received from British Railways for authorisation of capital expenditure on new track and rolling stock on the Portsmouth to London line; and what reply he has sent.

The Railways Board has sought consent for investment in 836 electric multiple unit vehicles for the longer Southern Region routes. Four hundred have been approved and we hope to give a decision on the remainder shortly.

Commuter Service, Southern Region (Grant)

78.

asked the Minister of Transport why he is paying grants under section 39(1) of the Transport Act 1968, individually in respect of London commuter services of the Eastern, London Midland and Western Regions of British Railways, but has treated the Southern Region's commuter network as an entity; and if he will publish in the OFFICIAL REPORT details of the calculation in respect of Southern Region.

The three Railway Regions operating North of the Thames were able to identify and separately cost their loss-making commuter services. Because of the density and operational interworking of the Southern Region's commuter services, it is not possible to identify the deficit for each individual

GROUP 1GROUP 2GROUP 3GROUP 4
S.E. Area Total £000'sS.W. Suburban £000'sCentral Suburban £000'sS.E. Suburban £000'sPortsmouth Direct £000's
Movement Costs24,8563,4953,3884,7942,049
Terminals9,4441,7991,5422,033664
Track and Signalling19,0313,0222,1063,0771,636
Interest and Administration11,1021,6831,4882,127942
TOTAL COSTS64,4339,9998,52412,0315,291
EARNINGS55,5977,7715,8649,1336,761
Difference between costs and earnings-8,836-2,228-2,660-2,898+ 1,470
GROUP 5GROUP 6GROUP 7GROUP 8
S.E. Area Total £000'sWaterloo Bournemouth Salisbury £000'sLondon South Coast £000'sKent Coast M/L £000'sWaterloo and City £000's
Movement Costs24,8562,0804,5704,372108
Terminals9,4446001,1991,55849
Track and Signalling19,0311,6273,2994,22044
Interest and Administration11,1028661,9711,98342
TOTAL COSTS64,4335,17311,03912,133243
EARNINGS55,5975,8579,86810,160183
Difference between costs and earnings-8,836+ 684-1,171-1,973-60

Closures

asked the Minister of Transport if he will give the figure for the last year available of the direct saving per mile of railway line closed in that year; how this compares with the expected saving per mile as given in the official document, Reshaping of British Railways; and what estimate he has made of the cost per mile of a social subsidy to keep the lines open.

Figures relating to the average direct saving per mile of railway line closed in any one year or to the average cost per mile of grant needed to keep such lines open are not available and would in any event be of no significance.

Electrification

asked the Minister of Transport what estimates he has made of the hours of travelling time saved by

service. We have, therefore, calculated the grant required for the network as a whole by reference to the estimated results in eight geographical sectors. I am circulating details in the OFFICIAL REPORT.

Following are the details:

users as a result of the electrification of the railways last year; and whether he will value this time in financial terms.

None. There are over 2,000 route miles of electrified track in the railway system, and a comparison with alternative necessarily hypothetical circumstances would be of little value.

Proposed Closures (Assessment Of Costs)

asked the Minister of Transport if he will give details of the manner in which track and signalling costs and management costs respectively, are estimated for social grants for keeping railways open; and what consideration he has given to the report on this matter, details of which have been sent to him, concerning the criteria on which these figures are assessed.

For grant purposes track and signalling costs are calculated on the basis of the estimated annual amount required to cover operating costs and to maintain the facilities in perpetuity. Where a grant-aided service shares facilities with other services, these costs are normally allocated pro rata on the basis of ton/miles in the case of track costs and the number of trains in the case of signalling costs. Management costs are assessed on the basis of a fixed percentage of the direct costs of a service. These procedures are in accord with the recommendations of the Joint Steering Group as set out in the White Paper on Railway Policy of November, 1967 (Cmnd. 3439).I understand that the report to which my hon. Friend refers is the article by Mr. Gerard Fiennes in the January issue of the

Rural District Review. This explains in a very useful way the difference between the long-term and the short-term costs of providing a railway passenger service. I must explain, however, that the Government believe that we shall need a substantial railway network for some time to come. It is, therefore, appropriate that grants should be calculated on a long-term basis. Obviously before deciding whether or not to grant-aid a service we also have regard to the short-term financial implications in each case.

Closure Proposals

asked the Minister of Transport if he will bring up to date the list relating to railway closure proposals published in the OFFICIAL REPORT on 28th February, 1966, column 202.

The joint publication by the Ministry and the Railways Board of the British Railways Network for Development Map in March, 1967, gave the Board freedom to publish closure proposals under Section 56 of the Transport Act, 1962, in respect of passenger services running on lines shown as grey and thin black on that map without seeking further Ministerial agreement. Section 39 of the Transport Act, 1968, has also necessarily involved some changes in the procedures for non-statutory prior consultation. It is, therefore, not possible to bring the 1966 information up to date in its original form, but I will write to the hon. Member more fully on the subject.

Sunderland-Hartlepool- King's Cross Lines

asked the Minister of Transport (1) what information he obtained about the total passenger loads at Sunderland and Hartlepool on the Sunderland-Hartlepool-King's Cross through service for each of the past five years before reaching his decision to approve closure of these lines;(2) what information he obtained about the revenue to British Railways from the Sunderland-Hartlepool-King's Cross through service for the morning and evening journeys, respectively, for each of the past five years, before approving the closure of these lines.

The Railways Board have not proposed these lines for closure, and there is, therefore, no question of my giving my approval.

Capital Investment

asked the Minister of Transport what sum will be available to British Railways for capital investment in 1969; and what were the actual figures of capital investment for the years 1964, 1965, 1966 and 1967, respectively.

Up to £85m. for 1969. The actual investment in 1964, 1965, 1966 and 1967, including that in respect of activities now part of the National Freight Corporation and the Scottish Transport Group, was £108m., £121m., £106m. and £96m. respectively.

Roads

Motorway Signs

52.

asked the Minister of Transport if he will now introduce illuminated variable speed limit signs on motorways in order that speed limits may be reduced to provide greater safety in conditions of fog, ice, or through any other hazard.

Yes. I am already doing so. The first is in operation on the Severn Bridge, and the second at the London end of M.4, will soon be working; other lengths of motorways will follow in order of need.

Lorries (Rear Lighting)

59.

asked the Minister of Transport whether he will strengthen the regulations governing rear lighting on lorries.

In general, present lighting equipment properly maintained is satisfactory. But we are considering proposals to make the rear of larger commercial vehicles more conspicuous.

Road Safety, Somerset

60 and 61.

asked the Minister of Transport (1) what additional resources will be made available for urgent improvements to roads in Somerset this year, in view of the latest accident figures.(2) what steps he is taking to improve road safety on roads for which he is responsible in Somerset, in view of the accident figures for last year.

Injury accidents in Somerset have tended to fall over the last four years. A detailed analysis is being made to see whether special safety measures are justified on the roads for which my right hon. Friend is the highway authority or for which he gives grant.

Drugs And Driving

68.

asked the Minister of Transport what study he has made of the evidence from the Automobile Association, details of which have been sent to him, on the subject of drugs and driving; and what plans he has for research into this subject.

70.

asked the Minister of Transport what study he has made of the evidence advanced by a motoring organisation, a copy of which has been sent to him, on the danger on the roads from drugged drivers; what action he proposes to take; and whether he will make a statement.

On present evidence it appears that the number of road accidents in this country which can be attributed to drugs is very small. However, we are examining this further to see whether increased research effort would be justified.

Selby Toll Bridge

71.

asked the Minister of Transport what information he has re ceived from the proprietors of the Selby Toll Bridge about their intention to re place the bridge during 1969; and what consultations he proposes to have in order to minimise consequential traffic disruption.

We have been informed by the bridge proprietors of the need to replace the bridge, and our officials are in close touch with their consultant engineers on the details of the work involved. Consultations with the object of minimising disturbance to traffic are already in progress with both the consultants and the local authorities; the police and the motoring organisations will also be consulted on the implementation of the necessary arrangements.

Motorway Service Areas

72.

asked the Minister of Transport what is the Government's policy concerning the siting of service areas on motorways, and what distance apart these are required to be.

There are many and complex considerations involved in locating service area sites. I will write fully to the hon. and gallant Member.

Crash Barriers

73.

asked the Minister of Transport why he has ordered an inquiry into the question of the erection of safety barriers on motorways and major trunk roads.

I have not ordered an inquiry. However, as stated in answer to the hon. Member for Warwick and Leamington (Mr. Dudley Smith) on 22nd January, we are now developing criteria to indicate more precisely those lengths of road where barriers might be justified. —[Vol. 776, c. 129.]

asked the Minister of Transport whether, in view of recent increases in accidents on motorways, he will now build crash barriers, where they are lacking, on existing motorways.

I do not think that the recent highly publicised motorway accidents provide good reason for altering my general policy on the use of crash barriers. However, I am reviewing the present criteria and this may result in further lengths being authorised.

M11 Extension, South Woodford- Hackney Wick

76.

asked the Minister of Transport what replies he has made, and what action he is taking, on the representations he has received regarding the section of the M11 motorway linking the A406 interchange with the proposed motorway box at Hackney, for which no proposals have yet been published and which will involve taking the line through or near the densely populated area of Wanstead.

Representations about the proposed extension of M11 from South Woodford to Hackney Wick, possibilities for which are still under investigation, will be taken into account in forming proposals. In accordance with normal practice the relevant local authorities will be consulted before publication—probably in 1970.

Car Parks (Grants)

79.

asked the Minister of Transport to what extent the Government are planning to give financial help to local authorities for parking schemes in England and Wales; and if he will make a statement.

Under the new scheme of grants towards capital expenditure for public transport, grant of up to 50 per cent. will now be available towards the cost of car parks at railway stations handling substantial volumes of commuter traffic.Exchequer help towards the revenue expenditure of local authorities on parking schemes is given through the medium of the Rate Support Grants, which meet over half the total revenue expenditure of local authorities in England and Wales.

M1 Motorway (Accidents)

asked the Minister of Transport if he is aware that there is an increase in fatal and serious accidents on the M1 motorway between 5 p.m. on Fridays and 11 p.m. on Sundays, as compared with the rest of the week; and if he will take steps to counter this trend.

The following are the figures of fatal and serious casualties in accidents on the M1 during the first eleven months of 1968, with comparable figures for 1967.

19671968
5 p.m. Friday-11p.m. Sunday130189
All other hours176219
TOTAL306408
The figures for the two years are not comparable since the mileage of the M1 in use increased from 126 at 1st January, 1967, to 194 at 30th November, 1968. The figures do not take account of changes in traffic volumes, so it does not necessarily follow that the accident rate per vehicle mile is higher at weekends than at other times.

Vehicle Density

asked the Minister of Transport if he will show in table form the density of vehicles per road mile in the United Kingdom and as many other countries for which statistics are available to him from international sources.

Following is the information:

CountryYearNumber of motor vehicles (excluding agricultural tractors) per mile of road||
United Kingdom196764
Australia*19668
Austria*196614
Belgium*196535
Canada*196621
Denmark*196642
Finland*196622
France196639
German Federal Republic196653
Greece†§196613
Irish Republic19657
Italy196666
Luxembourg†196631
Netherlands†196632
New Zealand*196617
Norway196620
Poland†196611
Portugal†196623
Spain†196633
South Africa*19657
Sweden†196620
Switzerland196646
Turkey‡19655
United States196525
Yugoslavia†19668
* Excluding haulage tractors.
† Excluding mopeds.
‡ Excluding motor cycles, scooters and mopeds.
§ Excluding "communal roads".
││ These figures are affected by variations in the definition of a road.

Fog Warning Signs

asked the Minister of Transport why adequate fog warning signs are not provided on all major roads; and if he will seek to provide them.

Highway authorities can provide triangular warning signs at sites especially liable to fog but generally it is up to drivers to notice fog and adjust their driving accordingly.Present motorway warning signals will be progressively replaced by new signals able to indicate speeds related to a variety of hazards. When we have experience of them on the motorway network we may need to consider their application to selected other roads.

Proposed North-South Road, Portsmouth

asked the Minister of Transport whether he has approved the proposed north-south road through the Stamshaw area of Portsmouth.

The Portsmouth City Council's proposals for the North South road are still being examined. No decision has yet been made on the acceptance of this revised scheme.

Heathrow—West London Air Terminal

asked the Minister of Transport if he will take action in order to improve the route from Heathrow to West London Air Terminal, by eliminating all right-hand turns and making the clearway permanent between the Chiswick Flyover and West London Air Terminal.

Complete elimination of the few remaining right turns on this route cannot be justified, although the arrangements at certain junctions are under review. The problems will be alleviated by programmed improvements at Sutton Court Read, Hogarth Roundabout and on West Cromwell Road from Earls Court Road to Warwick Road.Permanent clearway restrictions are already in force between the Chiswick Flyover and the West London Air Terminal.

asked the Minister of Transport if he will take action to provide a non-stop route from Heathrow to West London Air Terminal by replacing traffic signals by over or under passes between Chiswick Flyover and West London Air Terminal.

Grade separation is planned at Sutton Court Road and the Hogarth Roundabout on the trunk road length of this route. The Greater London Council, as highway authority for the remainder, intends providing grade separation at the intersection with the proposed West Cross Route near Warwick Road. The Council is also examining possible further improvements.

"Resident Only" Parking

asked the Minister of Transport when the order under the new Transport Act will be introduced to enable the provision of "resident only" parking in no parking areas; and if he will make a statement.

Before the wider traffic control powers in Part IX of the Transport Act can take effect new procedure regulations have to be made by myself and by my right hon. Friends the Secretaries of State for Scotland and Wales. These new regulations will lay down the procedures to be followed by local authorities in exercising their new powers, which will include power to regulate "resident only" parking.We have carried out extensive consultations with interested bodies and are now considering their comments. We are aiming to bring the regulations and Part IX of the Act into operation in April.

Road Construction (Contractors' Vehicles)

asked the Minister of Transport (1) if he will ensure that contractors building motorways and other major roads are compelled to reduce to an absolute minimum the inconvenience and suffering caused to residents by heavy vehicles causing damage and distress; and if he will make a statement;(2) what action he takes to prevent motorway contractors from damaging roads and causing inconvenience to pedestrians by mud, loose stones and water on roads approaching new motorways; and if he will make a statement;(3) what action is taken to protect the occupants of houses in privately-owned public roads from mud, road damage, house damage and inconvenience caused by motorway and trunk road contractors' vehicles using such roads; and if he will make a statement;(4) what action is taken to protect the occupants of houses in public roads from mud, road damage, house damage and inconvenience caused by motorway and trunk road contractors' vehicles using such roads; and if he will make a statement.

Any contractor executing roadworks on our behalf is required by the terms of his contract:

(i) to conform with all Acts of Parliament, Regulations, and Byelaws of any local or other statutory authority which may be applicable;
(ii) not to interfere unnecessarily or improperly with the public convenience or the access to use and occupaton of public or private roads or to or of properties; and
(iii) to keep existing highways, including private roads affected by the works, free from mud and all things deposited thereon by vehicles, labour or plant which might either constitute a nuisance or interfere with the public use of such highways or private roads.

M1 Motorway (Warning Lights System)

asked the Minister of Transport what proposals he has for improving the warning lights system on the M1 motorway; and if he will make a statement.

Permanent remotely-controlled traffic signals will be installed later this year on 62 miles of M1, M18 and A1(M) in the West Riding of Yorkshire as part of the programme announced by my predecessor.We expect to invite tenders for signal systems for about 20 miles of M1 and M10 in the Metropolitan Police District and Hertfordshire in the spring; the signal systems should be in use next year.

Motorways (Safety Measures)

asked the Minister of Transport if he will make a statement on the series of multiple accidents which occurred on the M1 motorway in fog conditions on 9th January; and what proposals he has for improving safety on motorways as a result of accidents which took place on that day.

I would refer to my hon. Friend's speech on the Motion for the Adjournment on 21st January.—[Vol. 776, c. 440–52.]

Commercial Vehicles (Dimensions)

asked the Minister of Transport what, under his regulations, are the dimensions, including length, breadth, height and weight, to which a commercial vehicle must conform before it is permitted to operate on British roads; and whether those dimensions comprehend a trailer.

The principal size and weight maxima are as follows:

Rigid lorries may be 11 metres long and up to 28 tons laden weight;
Articulated lorries (inclusive of semitrailer) 15 metres long and up to 32 tons laden weight;
Draw bar trailers up to 12 metres long and 28 tons laden weight;
Rigid vehicle/trailer combination up to 18 metres long and 32 tons laden weight. The width limit is generally 2½ metres but no height limits are specified.
In some cases design and other factors attract lower limits and there are also arrangements for authorising special vehicles or special uses above the stated maxima.

Ports

Roll-On/Roll-Off Facilities, Wales

81.

asked the Minister of Transport if he will give details of the capital plans submitted to him relating to the ports of Wales, under the control of the Docks Board of the British Transport Commission, for roll-on/roll-off facilities in the near future.

My predecessor authorised a roll-on/roll-off berth for Swansea at an estimated cost of about £600,000. Work started in February, 1968, and I understand that the berth is expected to be in service by May of this year.

Expenditure, Wales

82.

asked the Minister of Transport what percentage of the capital projects approved by him in respect of the Docks Board of the British Transport Commission in Wales on ports in the last two years has been invested in Barry, Cardiff, Newport, Port Talbot and Swansea, respectively.

Following is the information:

BRITISH TRANSPORT DOCKS BOARD— CAPITAL EXPENDITURE IN WELSH PORTS
19671968
Expenditure £000)Percentage of total expenditureExpenditure £000)Percentage of total expenditure
Barry1141·91211·7
Cardiff*1,23920·84205·9
Newport1,32922·32072·9
Port Talbot2,95949·65,47777·5
Swansea3235·484512·0
Total5,964100·07,070100·0
* Includes dredger, floating crane and minor works for the South Wales group of British Transport Docks Board docks.

Owners, Bristol (Compensation)

asked the Minister of Transport what compensation he estimates will be paid to the owners of port facilities in Bristol under the proposal in Command Paper No. 3903.

The National Ports Authority will make payments to the Corporation of Bristol to cover the servicing of loans outstanding in relation to the harbour undertaking. Compensation will be paid as appropriate in respect of the severance of the harbour undertaking from the Corporation's other activities. The amount of loans outstanding is understood to be about £10m. Compensation for severance will be determined in the light of all the facts at the appropriate time.No estimate of the compensation that might be paid in respect of the acquisition of port facilities in Bristol not owned by the Corporation can be given in advance of schemes to be prepared by the National Ports Authority.

Civil Service

Public Expenditure And Costing (Committee)

83.

asked the Minister for the Civil Service, whether he will report on the progress of the Standing Treasury Committee with the specific task of reviewing methods of control of public expenditure and costing among the 250,000 workers in Government service which was announced on 21st March, 1966.

The Committee has prompted the constituent Departments to review many aspects of their industrial activities, not only in respect of the control of expenditure. At present the Committee stands adjourned pending the report of the Committee under Sir John Mallabar announced by my right hon. Friend the Prime Minister in reply to a Question from my hon. Friend the Member for Wythenshawe on 19th December, 1968.Measures taken by Departments and approved by the Committee include a review of the whole range of management information in the Navy Department; the extension of automatic data processing systems to costing systems in the Dockyards, refit planning, analysis of machine tool usage, production control etc.; the introduction of new storage systems to secure greater efficiency in the issue of stores and reductions in the numbers of stores staff; the introduction by consultants, of costing and budgetary control systems in REME workshops and RAOC depots; a review of the incentive bonus schemes in use not only in the departments represented on the Committee but also in other departments; a review by the Treasury of the use of work study in a number of Departments.

Demonstration, London (Expenditure)

84.

asked the Minister for the Civil Service whether he will identify the Government Departments incurring expenditure on their votes by reason of measures taken in regard to, or arising out of, the demonstration in London on Sunday 12th January. 1969.

Foreign And Commonwealth Affairs

Rhodesia

85.

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign and Common wealth Affairs how many letters he has received since 11th November, 1965, from inhabitants of Rhodesia reaffirming allegiance to the Crown.

This information is not readily available and, in any case, I do not think any conclusions could be drawn from it. Very many Rhodesians have of course demonstrate their loyalty to the Crown through the Governor, who is Her Majesty's representative in Rhodesia and to whom expressions of loyalty are appropriately addressed.

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs if he will state his plans for Great Britain's relations with Rhodesia as a result of the debates at the recent Commonwealth Conference.

I have nothing to add to the reply which my right hon. Friend the Prime Minister gave to the hon. Member for Worcestershire, South (Sir G. Nabarro) on 21st January.—[Vol. 776. c. 245.]

Rhodesian Flag (Legality)

86.

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs what action he pro poses to take about the illegal hoisting of the rebel flag of Rhodesia on Rhodesia House in Trafalgar Square, London, during the Christmas Recess.

I would refer my hon. and learned Friend to the reply my right hon. Friend the Minister Without Portfolio gave to my hon. Friend the Member for Fife, West (Mr. William Hamilton) on 20th January.—[Vol. 776, c. 24.]

Middle East (Ministers Tour)

87.

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign and Common wealth Affairs why the Minister of State's visit to the Middle East included visits, to Egypt, Sudan and Morocco and not Israel; and whether he will arrange for the Minister of State to visit Israel on his return from the present schedule visit to the Middle East.

Israel is one of a number of countries in the Middle East for which my right hon. Friend the Minister of State has particular responsibility but which he has not yet visited. They could not all have been included in his present tour. There are no plans yet for another tour, but I take note of my hon. Friend's view.

Treaty Of Rome (Article 48)

88.

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs what is Her Majesty's Government's policy regarding acceptance of Article 48 of the Treaty of Rome, which provides for persons seeking and obtaining employment to move freely and remain permanently in any of the member States.

As was explained in the debates which preceded our application to join the European Economic Community in May, 1967, we do not anticipate undue difficulties in accepting Article 48 of the Treaty of Rome.

Holy See

89.

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs whether, in view of the Vatican's increasing activity in international affairs, he will now reconsider his policy of having only a Minister accredited to the Holy See.

As I told the hon. Gentleman on 8th July, 1968, this matter is being kept under review, but we are not convinced that this is the right time to seek any change in existing arrangements. —[Vol. 768, c. 31–3.]

Suez Canal (Shipping)

90.

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs what further steps he is taking to get British ships and their crews imprisoned in the Canal Zone released, following the recent official visit to Cairo of the Minister of State.

My right hon. Friend the Minister of State raised the subject of the blocked ships with President Nasser and with the Foreign Minister of the United Arab Republic. We shall continue to work for the early release of the blocked ships. The skeleton crews are, of course, not imprisoned; they are replaced at regular intervals.

Brazil And Paraguay (Nazi War Criminals)

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs if he will hold consultations with the Governments of the United States of America, the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, France and the Federal Republic of Germany, with a view to making a joint request to the Governments of Brazil and Paraguay to return for trial those Nazi war criminals, known to be living in those two countries.

No. This is a matter for the Governments of the countries whose courts would have jurisdiction to try the suspected War Criminals and the Governments of the countries in which they are now residing.

Employment And Productivity

Dock Workers (Safety)

91.

asked the Secretary of State for Employment and Productivity what steps she is taking, by legislation or otherwise, to strengthen the port loading regulations so as to prevent the possible danger to dock workers arising from overloading which results from the practice known as cube-cutting.

Preliminary enquiries do not indicate that "cube-cutting" leads to increased danger to dock workers, but I am having further investigations made, and when they are complete I will write to my hon. Friend.

asked the Secretary of State for Employment and Productivity whether she is aware that recently in the London Docks four men were hurt, two seriously, when a derrick collapsed after being overloaded; and whether she will obtain from the dock safety inspector details of how many accidents have been caused due to false descriptions and false details of weights of loads and on the extent to which the practice known as cube-cutting was a factor in these accidents.

My Department has received no report in recent months of an accident corresponding precisely with the circumstances described by the hon. Member, but I am aware of an accident in London Docks in October, 1968, in which a ship's derrick fell, injuring two men. I understand that the accident was caused by a faulty span wire and that there was no evidence of overloading or incorrect weight marking. I am investigating the possibility of obtaining the details requested in the second part of the Question and I will write to my hon. Friend as soon as possible.

Police Surgeons (Retainer Fees)

92.

asked the Secretary of State for Employment and Productivity whether she has given consideration to the request made to her Department to endorse the £500 per annum retainer fees paid to police surgeons; whether this is in accord with the Government's policy on productivity, prices and incomes; and whether she will make a statement.

The incomes policy aspects of the proposed settlement are under consideration by the Government: it would be inappropriate for me to make a statement. I understand that the maximum retainer fee is considerably less than that quoted by my hon. Friend.

Registered Factory Premises

asked the Secretary of State for Employment and Productivity was was the total number of registered factory premises on 31st December, 1968.

The total number of registered factory premises on 31st December, 1968, was 206,389.

Unemployment

asked the Secretary of State for Employment and Productivity if she will state the average figure of unemployed for each of the last six years.

Following is the information:

Average numbers registered as unemployed in Great Britain
Averages for the 12 months of each yearRegistered Unemployed (000's)
1963573·2
1964380·6
1965328·8
1966359·7
1967559·5
1968564·1

Outside Steel Erectors (Wages)

asked the Secretary of State for Employment and Productivity (1) what has been the average earnings of outside steel erectors for 1966, 1967, and 1968, respectively; what has been the annual percentage change in productivity of these workers; and what measurements are used to calculate such changes in productivity;(2) what is the percentage increase in the minimum earnings level of outside steel erectors recently agreed between the employers' federations and relevant unions; and whether such an increase is consistent with the incomes policy;(3) what is the expected percentage increase in earnings expected to derive from the combined effect of the increase in hourly rates and alteration of the minimum earnings level for outside steel erectors announced in mid-December; and whether such an increase conforms with the incomes policy.

Under the terms of the relevant agreement the rates of wages of outside steel erectors rise or fall nationally with those of workers in the general engineering industry, where there was a general increase of 6s. per week and an increase of 36s. 4d. per week in the minimum earnings level from 16th December, 1968, which was consolidated in the minimum time rate from 20th January, 1969. Under the terms of the agreement those whose earnings are equal to or above the new minimum rates are not entitled to any increase to maintain differentials. I am satisfied that the general effect for this group of workers is not dissimilar from the effect of the main engineering agreement. The other information requested is not available.

Paper And Board Making Industry (Employees)

asked the Secretary of State for Employment and Productivity (1) how many people have been employed in the paper and board making industry in Scotland in each year from 1958 to the latest convenient date;(2) how many people have been employed in the paper and board making industry in the United Kingdom in each year from 1958 to the latest convenient date.

Following is the information:

ESTIMATED NUMBERS OF EMPLOYEES IN EMPLOYMENT IN SCOTLAND AND IN THE UNITED KINGDOM IN THE MANUFACTURE OF PAPER AND BOARD, MINIMUM LIST HEADINGS 481 AND 483 OF THE 1958 EDITION OF THE STANDARD INDUSTRIAL CLASSIFICATION (MLH'S 180 AND 183 OF THE 1948 EDITION)
Scotland(Thousands) United Kingdom
June, 195820·1154·1
June, 1959 (a)20·8156·8
(b)20·5153·5
June, 196021·3160·4
June, 196122·0168·9
June, 196221·6165·4
June, 196321·6167·9
June, 1964 (a)22·1167·5
(b)22·2168·0
June, 196523·0171·1
June, 1966 (a)22·3172·0
(b)22·2170·9
June, 196722·0167·3
June, 1968 (provisional)166·8
November, 1968 (provisional)168·0
The estimates for 1958 and 1959(

a) are based on the 1948 edition of the Standard Industrial Classification and for 1959 ( b) and later dates on the 1958 edition.

Estimates for 1964( b) and later dates are on a revised basis of calculation and are not strictly comparable with the estimates for 1964( a).

Between June, 1966, and June, 1967, the industrial classifications of many establishments were corrected. Estimates for

June, 1966, are shown on both bases, i.e. ( a) excluding and ( b) including the effects of these reclassifications.

The provisional estimates for June and November, 1968, may be revised when final estimates based on the count of National Insurance cards at mid-1968 become available. Provisional monthly estimates are not available for Scotland.

Systems Analysts (Training)

asked the Secretary of State for Employment and Productivity what action she proposes as the result of the publication of the Report on the Training of Systems Analysts.

The Report "The Training of Systems Analysts (Commercial)" has been sent to all industrial training boards for use in preparing recommendations for such training in their industries.

Bank Employees (Pay)

asked the Secretary of State for Employment and Productivity when the report of the National Board for Prices and Incomes on the clearing bank pay settlement will be published.

Company Directors And Higher Paid Executives (Pay)

asked the Secretary of State for Employment and Productivity (1) whether she will take steps to call for a return to be made either through the Registrar of Companies or the Confederation of British Industry to ascertain to what extent company directors in receipt of £5,000 per annum or more have been receiving salary increases contrary to the Government's prices and incomes policy; and whether she will publish these details in the OFFICIAL REPORT;(2) whether she is aware of the growing practice of company directors and higher paid executives with salaries in the £5,000 per annum to £50,000 per annum range increasing these salaries by amounts ranging from 5 per cent. to 10 per cent. in consecutive years; and what action she has taken since 1st January, 1969, to investigate these matters to see to what extent they contravene the Government's policy on wages, prices and incomes;(3) when she first requested the National Board for Prices and Incomes to investigate the question of higher salaries; when she expects to receive the Board's report on these matters; and whether she will make a statement;(4) whether, in view of the new evidence submitted by the hon. Member for West Ham, North, she will now change the Government's policy on salary increases paid to company directors and higher paid executives in the £5,000 per annum to £50,000 per annum category who have increased their salaries by amounts varying between 5 per cent. and 10 per cent.

The question of top salaries in the private sector and nationalised industries was referred to the Board on 1st July, 1968. The report is now expected to be published in mid-March. The Government will consider what action, if any, is needed in this field in the light of that report.

Social Services

National Health Service (Vivisection)

93.

asked the Secretary of State for Social Services how many live cats and how many live dogs have been used for research in each of the last five years by establishments within the National Health Service; and what has been the average price paid per cat and per dog acquired from sources outside the National Health Service in each year.

Influenza Vaccine

asked the Secretary of State for Social Services in what circumstances students in the Brighton area received priority in the injection of Asian influenza vaccine over other categories of persons, particularly elderly people.

asked the Secretary of State for Social Services why influenza injections have been made available for football teams; and why a doctor in the Rotherham area cannot get it for his sick patients.

I made arrangements in November with the suppliers for Hong Kong influenza vaccine to be made available first for certain people at special risk. Supplies of this vaccine are not yet meeting demand but increasing quantities are being distributed throughout the country to meet doctors' prescriptions. The vaccination of football teams would not be in accordance with the advice given by my Department and I would not expect them to have secured supplies of the new vaccine since November. No restrictions have been placed on vaccine containing older strains of the influenza virus.

Overseas Service Pensions Scheme

94.

asked the Secretary of State for Social Services whether he is satisfied that the basis of assessment of the degree of impairment used in the Overseas Service Pensions Scheme pro vides an adequate basis for a general disability pension scheme; and if he will make a statement.

No. Our recently published White Paper explains in paragraphs 88 to 91 our proposals for long-term sick and severely disabled people and I have nothing to add.

Pensions Plan (Representations)

95.

asked the Secretary of State for Social Services what representations objecting to his new pensions plan he has received from insurance companies.

National Insurance (Classification) Regulations

asked the Secretary of State for Social Services whether he will amend the National Insurance (Classification) Regulations to ensure that where a person hires out a cab to another person for a fixed hiring charge and receives no other payment, apart from that charge, the person who hires the cab is treated as a self-employed person for the purposes of the National Insurance Acts and not as at present an employed person; and if he will make a statement.

I had no such amendment immediately in mind, though I should be glad to consider any points the hon. Member may wish to put to me in support of a change. Under our proposals in the White Paper on "National Superannuation and Social Insurance", however, all contributions for employed persons will be collected through P.A.Y.E.; and I shall be examining specially the implications of this change for those, including taxi-drivers, who are at present treated as employed persons for National Insurance purposes but do not come within the P.A.Y.E. Income Tax system.

War Pensioners

asked the Secretary of State for Social Services what representations he has received from the British Legion, Scotland, about the special position of disabled ex-Servicemen; and what reply he has sent.

A copy of the War Pensions Resolutions of the British Legion, Scotland 1968 Conference was sent to the then Minister of Social Security and subsequently I received a copy of a supporting memorandum. In my reply to both these documents, I gave an assurance that the special debt which is owed to war pensioners will not be forgotten, but I was unable to accept the Legion's proposal for reviewing the present system of pensions and allowances.

Bronchitis

asked the Secretary of State for Social Services how many working days were lost in 1968 because of bronchitis and similar chest complaints.

My information relates only to days of sickness notified for National Insurance purposes. From June, 1966, to June, 1967, the latest period for which figures are available, 35 million days of sickness were attributed to bronchitis, and 30 million days to all other diseases of the respiratory system.

Building And Catering Industries (Uninsured Workers)

asked the Secretary of State for Social Services what estimate he has made of the loss of revenue to his Department due to the employment of uninsured workers in the building and catering industries.

No reliable estimate can be made, but the results of investigations at building sites and catering establishments suggest that the loss is small in relation to the number of persons employed.

Command Paper No 3883

asked the Secretary of State for Social Services when he expects to announce future plans for industrial injuries benefits as envisaged in paragraph 93 of Command Paper No. 3883.

asked the Secretary of State for Social Services when he expects to announce the details of the proposed attendance allowance referred to in paragraph 91 of Command Paper No. 3883.

£ million
1962–631963–641964–651965–661966–671967–68
Non-contributory benefits*200217224246298386
Other social security benefits1,4451,6741,7382,0772,1582,404
Total1,6451,8911,9622,3232,4562,790
* National Assistance and non-contributory old age pensions before 28th November. 1966.

Hospitals

Platt Report (Implementation)

asked the Secretary of State for Social Services what further steps he is taking to implement the recommendation of the Platt Report on the Welfare of Children in Hospital that children should be nursed in children's units and not in adult wards.

In accordance with advice from the Standing Medical Advisory Committee and the Central Health Services Council my right hon. Friend is requesting hospital authorities to review their arrangements for the care of children and adolescents in non-psychiatric

As paragraph 91 of the White Paper says, we need the facts now being gathered by the Government Social Survey before we can decided the details.

asked the Secretary of State for Social Services when he expects the further study of the circumstances of families with children anounced in paragraph 42 of Command Paper No. 3883, to be set up; who will undertake the study; and when he expects to receive the report.

Preparatory work is already in progress, but it is too early to say who, apart from my own research staff, will be concerned in carrying out the study, or how soon results will become available.

Social Security Benefits And National Assistance

asked the Secretary of State for Social Services if he will state the total amounts paid out by way of social security benefits or National Assistance during each of the last six years.

The amounts are as follows:hospitals and, where necessary, to draw up programmes, in consultation with the medical and nursing staff, with the object of ensuring that by 1971 children are nursed only in children's wards and departments and not in adult wards.A census taken in 1965 showed that 18 per cent of the children under 12 years of age in these hospitals were then being nursed in adult wards. My right hon. Friend considers that much can be done within the limits of the accommodation available to achieve the aim of grouping all children in wards and departments adapted to the special needs of children.Hospital authorities are also being advised that adolescents should, where practicable, be accommodated together and neither with children nor with adults.

Bearsted Memorial Hospital, Hampton Court

asked the Secretary of State for Social Services how much has been spent on new medical and other facilities at the Bearsted Memorial Hospital, Hampton Court, in the last three years.

Overseas Development

Overseas Service Pensions Scheme

96.

asked the Minister for Overseas Development on what basis he assesses the increase payable to the members of the Overseas Service Pensions Scheme who have suffered some permanent impairment of their capacity to contribute to their own support.

No cases have so far occurred, but I would have to assess in consultation with my Medical Adviser how far the disability affected the officer's earning capacity.

Board Of Trade

Footwear (Exports To Soviet Union)

97.

asked the President of the Board of Trade what he estimates will be the value of footwear exports to the Soviet Union in 1969 compared with 1968.

I know that British footwear manufacturers have made special efforts to expand their exports to the Soviet Union in recent years, but I am not in a position to say how much the Soviet Union will buy in 1969.

Merchant Shipping Act

asked the President of the Board of Trade if he will take urgent steps to implement the recommendations of the Pearson Committee in order to improve the conditions of merchant seamen by introducing a new Merchant Shipping Act for that purpose.

As I told my hon. Friend the Member for South Shields (Mr. Blenkinsop) on 11th December, it is hoped to do this as soon as possible.—[Vol. 775, c. 147.]

London Docks (Cube-Cutting)

asked the President of the Board of Trade whether, in view of the concern of industry at the increased costs to exporters, the loss of income to dockworkers, and the danger to dockworkers involved in the practice known as cube-cutting, he will cause an investigation to be made into this practice with a view to amending the law so as to end the abuses.

I would refer my hon. Friend to the Answer given to him by my right hon. and learned Friend the Attorney-General on 30th January.— [Vol. 776, c. 378.]

National Finance

D-Day Anniversary (Special Foreign Travel Allowance)

98.

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer whether he will take steps to make a special foreign travel allowance available to members of organised parties wishing to visit Normandy on 6th June, to commemorate the 25th Anniversary of D-Day.

Favourable consideration will be given to applications covering members of Service and related organisations and their families. The organisations should apply to the Bank of England.

Import Deposits

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer whether foreign exporters who deposit the 50 per cent. import deposit are granted by his regulations an absolute right to the refunding of these deposits in six months' time.

The Customs (Import Deposits) Act, 1968, requires that the deposit shall be repaid to the person named on the Customs entry as having paid it.

Dollar Loans (Waivers)

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer if he will list in the OFFICIAL REPORT the occasions on which the deferment provision in the financial agreement of 6th March, 1957. regarding the post-war dollar loans have been invoked to date, and state the number of further waivers yet available; and if he will make a statement on his plans to seek additional waivers by agreement with the United States and Canadian Governments.

The right to defer annual instalments of interest and principal on these loans was exercised in 1957, 1964, 1965 and 1968. There are three further opportunities. I have no plans to seek additional waivers.

Rural Industries Loan Fund

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer what was the total of the subsidy given in each of the last 10 years to the Rural Industries Loan Fund.

The annual payments from the Development Fund into the Rural Industries Loan Fund have been as follows:

£s
1959–6022,295
1960–617,625
1961–6210,657
1962–6346,068
1963–649,121
1964–6578,370
1965–66162,750
1966–67195,260
1967–68246,053
The Rural Industries Loan Fund was wound up at 31st March, 1968, and its assets and duties were taken over by the Council for Small Industries in Rural Areas, which has broader functions, towards which a payment of £595,000 was made from the Development Fund in 1968–69.

Government Contracts (Non-Discrimination Clause)

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer what plans he has to introduce a requirement for Government contracts to include a non-discrimination clause; and if he will make a statement.

Central Government Borrowing

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer (1) to what extent, over the four year period 1965 to 1968, new credits in the Exchange Equalisation Account, established by the creation of Treasury bills as collateral for new liabilities in foreign currency and automatically transferred to the Exchequer's account at the Bank of England, provided newly created money and helped finance the Exchequer's domestic financial deficit;(2) what new credits were established, over the four year period 1965 to 1968, in the Exchequer's account at the Bank of England through the additions, in this period, to the notes and coins in circulation;(3) by what amount any money or credit, created both by the operation of the Exchange Equalisation Account and by additions to the notes and corns in circulation, exceeded the Exchequer's borrowing requirements in the four year period 1965 to 1968;(4) what was the amount of Government debt sold during the four year period 1965 to 1968, in total and by the banks and the non-banking section of the private sector, respectively.

Firm figures are not yet available for the fourth quarter of 1968. However, during the preceding three and three-quarter years, between the beginning of 1965 and the end of the third quarter of 1968, the central Government borrowing requirement amounted to £2,588 million; external transactions (including aid bills) contributed £1,881 million; public holdings of notes and coin increased by £382 million; the non-bank private sector took up £14 million of Government debt and the banks £311 million. Further details are in Financial Statistics.When external transactions reduce the Government's domestic borrowing requirement, as they did in this period, they are a factor leading to a reduction in the money supply.

Commission On Industrial Relations

asked the Prime Minister if he will now announce the membership of the Commission on Industrial Relations.

It was announced from 10 Downing Street on 31st January that the Queen had been pleased to approve the appointment of the following members of the Commission on Industrial Relations:

Mr. L. T. Blakeman, C.B.E., Personnel Director, Ford Motor Company.
Mr. A. D. Flanders, M.A., Fellow of Nuffield College, Oxford.
Mr. T. W. Paynter, Formerly Secretary, National Union of Mineworkers.
An announcement about part-time members of the Commission will be made later.

Agriculture, Fisheries And Food

Quarantine Kennels (London Area)

asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food how many quarantine kennels are licensed in the London area; how many complaints he has received in respect of each of these kennels during the last six years; and how many complaints in respect of the kennels at Uxbridge, details of which have been sent to him, he has received.

Six such premises have been approved under the Importation of Dogs and Cats Order, 1928, in the area adjacent to London.We regard complaints received in respect of particular premises as confidential and I regret that I cannot publish their particulars.

Bacon-Sharing Agreement

asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food if he will now announce the result of his negotiations regarding the renewal of the Bacon-Sharing Agreement.

Bread (Price)

asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food, in view of the fact that Ranks, Hovis, McDougall Limited increased their profits in 1968 by £4,633,829 to £17,697,391, why he allowed this and other companies to increase the price of the loaf by 1d.; whether this falls within the Government's policy on prices, wages, dividends and profits; and whether he will make a statement.

The profits quoted cover the full range of the firm's business which extends into many fields other than bread baking. The recent proposals of the major plant bakers to adjust the price of bread—by increasing the cost of large loaves and reducing that of small loaves —were examined in relation to the costs of production of bread by the firm concerned and in the light of the findings of the examinations of the industry by the National Board for Prices and Incomes, particularly in relation to return on capital invested and the capacity for new investment. The Government is fully satisfied that the price changes are consistent with the policy set out in the White Paper on Productivity, Prices and Incomes in 1968 and 1969 (Cmnd. 3590).

London Docks (Cube-Cutting)

asked the Attorney-General whether he has received the additional information from the hon. Member for West Ham, North, showing that the firm of General Transport (Overseas) Company Limited of Stratford have publicly admitted to obtaining illegal profits and moneys under false pretences, and committing irregularities, for which they have now dismissed a director and manager, in connection with the practice known as cube-cutting; and whether he will now refer the matter to the Director of Public Prosecutions.

I refer the hon. Member to the Answer I gave him on 30th January, 1969.—[Vol. 776, c. 378.]

Court Cases (Legal Costs)

asked the Attorney-General whether he is aware of the growing number of legal cases of all descriptions where the costs involved for a relatively few days in court amount to between £5,000 and £15,000; and whether he will investigate the fees and payments made and received to see to what extent they are in accordance with the Government's policy on pay and productivity.

The average cost of cases has hardly increased over the last four years and cases costing between £5,000 and £15,000 are quite exceptional. There are no grounds for an investigation of the kind suggested.

Education And Science

A-Level Examinations (Mathematics Passes)

asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science what factors have caused the fall of about 15 per cert. in the proportion of mathematics passes in A-level examinations between 1960 and 1966.

Between 1960 and 1966, passes in G.C.E. "A" level mathematics rose from 26,858 to 40,772, an increase of 51·8 per cent. Passes in all subjects during the same period increased by 78·7 per cent. from 146,362 to 261,490. Mathematics passes were 18·4 per cent. of all subject passes in 1960 and 15·6 per cent. in 1966, a drop of 2·8 percentage points.Thus the number of passes in mathematics rose considerably but those in other subjects increased more rapidly, particularly in social sciences, vocational subjects, music, drama and the visual arts. This reflects the exercise of options among the growing body of sixth form pupils. Possible reasons for the changes are discussed at length in the Dainton Report, about which I answered a Question by the hon. Member on 30th January.

Mathematics And Physics Graduates

asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science what action he proposes to arrest the decline in the number of mathematics and physics graduates entering the schools.

The decline is in the proportion rather than the numbers entering the schools. There is a serious shortage, though my Department's current advertising effort is aimed at science and mathematics graduates. The Department has produced and distributed a booklet on science and mathematic teaching and is collaborating with university appointments boards and faculties of science in arranging meetings for students.

Engineering And Technology Students

asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science what factors have caused the decline in numbers of engineering and technology students studying for Higher National Certificate and other advanced courses from 78,847 in 1963 to 71,956 in 1966; and if he will make a statement.

The figures are not comparable in that the figure for 1966 does not include enrolments on relevant engineering and technology courses at the former colleges of advanced technology. If adjustment is made for this, the total following such courses in all the institutions concerned in 1966 was 84,131, or some five thousand more than in 1963.Within this increased total, enrolments for Higher National Certificate courses have declined. This is due partly to the reorganisation of technician courses which followed the 1961 White Paper

Better Opportunities for Technical Education, and partly to changes in the academic requirements of the professional institutions in membership of the Council of Engineering Institutions. The chief reason, however, is the great expansion in the opportunities open to young people to follow full-time or sandwich courses of higher education in engineering and technology. This is reflected in the considerable increase during the period in enrolments on relevant first degree and Higher National Diploma courses.

Production Engineers (First Degrees)

asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science if he will make a statement on the decline of production engineers gaining first degrees.

The number of production engineers qualifying by means of a first degree rose from 89 in 1966 to 138 in 1967. Production engineering degrees were not listed separately from general engineering degrees before 1966. Therefore, detailed information is not available for 1965 but recent figures suggest that 80 is a better estimate for that year than 115 as shown in table 20 of Statistics of Science and Technology, 1968.

School Meals Supervision

asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science if he will ask the National Joint Council to consider the rate of pay for school meals supervisory assistants in secondary schools, and to consider whether local education authorities should be allowed to offer teachers who voluntarily supervise school meals an additional payment of 4s. 8d. per hour for doing so.

I refer the hon. Member to the Answer that my right hon. Friend gave to my hon. Friend the Member for Eton and Slough (Miss Lestor) on 28th November.—[Vol. 774, c. 156.]

asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science to what extent there is a general shortage of school meals supervisors at the present time; and whether this shortage is greater in secondary schools than in primary schools.

This information is not available within the Department of Education and Science as it is a matter for local education authorities.

Student Progress

asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science how many university students abandoned their courses in each of the last five years; what percentage of each annual intake these figures represent; and what are the main reasons for abandonment given to his Department.

Annual figures are not available. The latest published information relates to students who would normally have been expected to qualify in 1966 and is in the University Grants Committee's Inquiry into Student Progress, 1968, published by Her Majesty's Stationery Office.

Qualifications (Recognition For Salary Purposes)

asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science (1) whether he is aware that whilst Graduate Membership and Associateship of the Royal Institute of Chemistry are accepted by the universities, the Science Research Council and the Civil Service Commissioners, as equivalent to a first or second class honours degree in chemistry, these qualifications are not so recognised by his Department and the Burnham Committee; and if he will now recognise such qualifications as the equivalent of a first or second class honours degree;(2) upon what criteria qualifications are accepted by his Department for teachers to be placed in group III of the qualified teachers.

The recognition of qualifications for salary purposes is not for me but for the Burnham Committee. The Committee accepts for the group III scale honours and higher degrees but not professional qualifications.

Local Offices (Closure)

asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science whether his employees at Newcastle, Carlisle and Darlington who had a holiday on New Year's Day, also had a third day's holiday in Christmas week.

Ministry Of Defence

Cargo Loads (Misleading Descriptions)

asked the Secretary of State for Defence whether he is aware that the practice of cube-cutting also includes false descriptions of cargo loads and is being used as a means of running a black market in arms contrary to Government policy; and if he will take steps to prevent this.

I have nothing to add to the answers given by my right hon. Friend the Attorney-General on 27th January and my right hon. Friend the President of the Board of Trade on 29th January.—[Vol. 776, c. 250 and c. 335.]

Home Department

Illegal Betting Clubs

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department whether he is aware of the growth of illegal betting clubs which do not pay any permit fees, levies or duties and which are not subject to the controls contained in the Betting, Gaming and Lotteries Act, 1963; and if he will seek to amend the law to end these abuses.

My right hon. Friend has received some complaints of illegal betting in clubs, but he has no reason to believe that it is widespread. The nature of the offence is made perfectly clear in section 1 of the 1963 Act and, while detection may often be difficult, I do not see how amendment of the Act could help to check this abuse.

Robberies (Forest Gate And Newham)

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department whether he is aware of the increasing number of robberies which have taken place at regular intervals in the Forest Gate and Newham areas, sometimes in the same road; and whether he will take action to ensure that the police give such robberies and their prevention their first priority.

The Commissioner of Police of the Metropolis tells me that, while robberies in the area remain a matter for concern, they were about 10 per cent. fewer in 1968 than in 1967. The police continue to do all they can to prevent crime and to bring offenders to justice.

North Vietnamese Delegations (Paris Talks)

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department why members of the National Liberation Front and North Vietnamese delegations to the Paris talks on peace in Vietnam are banned from entry to the United Kingdom.

I would refer the hon. Member to the answer I gave on 19th December to a Question by the hon. Member for Orpington (Mr. Lubbock). There is no general ban and, in consultation with my right hon. Friend the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs, I am currently considering such an application.—[Vol. 775. c. 442–3.]

Immigrants (Irish Republic)

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department what estimate he has made of the number of citizens of the Republic of Ireland who emigrated to the United Kingdom in each year from 1960 to 1967.

The figures, which include people coming here for seasonal and other temporary employment, are as follows:

PERSONS COMING FROM THE IRISH REPUBLIC REGISTERING OR RE-REGISTERING FOR NATIONAL INSURANCE IN GREAT BRITAIN
New registrationsRe-registrations
196057,79815,164
196152,92014,678
196238,36713,995
196332,97814,563
196439,10016,920
196540,00416,526
196644,31917,061
196733,89615,372

Notes:

(i) In general men and single women are required to register for national insurance on entering employment in Great Britain or at the end of six months' residence, whichever is the earlier. Married women are not required to register unless they enter employment.

(ii) Persons re-registering for insurance include those who left Great Britain (perhaps to take up employment abroad) but subsequently returned (excluding those whose insurance was maintained in their absence) and also those who at some earlier date came from abroad, registered and left again.

Local Government

Rating Relief, Stockport

asked the Minister of Housing and Local Government what was the average benefit per head to ratepayers in the county borough of Stockport in each of the last four years under the provisions of the Rating (Interim Relief) Act, 1964.

Grant paid by the Government to the Stockport County Borough Council under Section 1 of the Act (which provides for grants to rating authorities of areas with a relatively high proportion of old people) amounted to £15,750 in 1964–65, £17,815 in 1965–66 and £19,505 in 1966–67. This benefited all ratepayers by reducing the rate poundage below what it would otherwise have been by about ¾d., 1d. and 1d. respectively. The average relief to each ratepayer was 5s. 6d., 6s. 4d. and 6s. 11d. No grant was paid in 1967–68.

Relief granted by the authority under Section 2 of the Act to individual householders suffering hardship because of rate increases since 1962–63 totalled £274 in 1964–65 and £293 in 1965–66, the average relief being about £3 19s. 5d. and £3 18s. 2d. respectively. No relief under this section was given in the years 1966–67 and 1967–68.

Rate Rebates, Stockport

asked the Minister of Housing and Local Government how many individual rate rebates have been paid to ratepayers in the county borough of Stockport under the Rating Act, 1965, in each of the last three years; and what was the average benefit.

The average number of recipients of rate rebates under the Rating Act, 1966, in Stockport, and

1962–63£1963–64£1966–67£1967–68£
Rate Support Grants or corresponding grants1,408,3121,578,7172,083,4232,279,661
Other revenue grants216,490256,349382,828316,853
The amounts of capital grants and housing subsidies were as follows:—
1962–63 £1963–64 £1966–67 £1967–68 £
Capital Grants91,57293,29237,565113,705
Housing Subsidies239,787243,524321,212381,786
Source: Departmental records and Epitomes of Accounts.

Telephone Services

County Durham

asked the Postmaster-General, (1) how many times from 1st July 1968 to 1st February 1969, inclusive, telephone numbers in the Fence Houses Exchange, County Durham, have been out of order; and what was the reason for these disconnections.(2) what was the longest period, without weather interference, that telephone subscribers in County Durham have been disconnected for technical reasons, from 1st July 1968 to 1st February 1969, inclusive; and what was the reason for the disconnection.(3) what is the policy of his Department regarding the giving of warning to telephone subscribers when for technical reasons it plans to disconnect their telephones for a period of several days.(4) how long various telephones in the Fence Houses Exchange, County Durham, were out of order in the week

the average rebate for the years 1966–67 and 1967–68, are as follows:

Average number of recipients

Average rebate

£s.d.
1966–673,10912190
1967–682,49013150
Figures for 1968–69 are not yet available.

Rate Relief, Norwich

asked the Minister of Housing and Local Government what were the total grants towards relief of rates made to the city and county of Norwich for the years 1962 to 1964 and 1966 to 1968.

The amounts of grants in aid of the revenue expenditure of the Norwich County Borough Council were as follows:beginning 20th January; why no warning of any prolonged disconnection was given; and why no information was given to those who inquired as to the reason for the prolonged disconnection.

Whenever possible, engineering works are arranged to avoid interrupting subscribers' services. Should more than short duration interruptions be unavoidable, subscribers are informed individually beforehand. In the period from July 1968, there have been no plant works in County Durham that justified approach to our customers. Moisture penetrating the sheaths of local cables interrupted the service of 30 Fence Houses subscribers for three days in August and 70 subscribers for three days in November. On 21st January this year, a cable failure caused loss of service to eight Fence Houses subscribers for a period of four days. It was unfortunate that this delay in repair occurred, but there were cable faults elsewhere in the area, not in Fence Houses, which affected larger numbers of lines. The "number unobtainable" tone was connected to the faulty lines so that callers would be made aware that the lines were out of order. We normally write to subscribers if loss of service is likely to exceed four days.

Nuneaton And Bedworth

asked the Postmaster-General, (1) what is the average length of time which a customer is required to wait for a telephone connection in Nuneaton and Bedworth;(2) what is the waiting list for telephone connections in Nuneaton and Bed-worth at the present time;(3) what was the number of applicants waiting for telephone connections in Nuneaton and Bedworth on the first day of each month of 1968.

The figures are as follows:

NuneatonBedworth
Average waiting period6 months5 months
Waiting list at 1st January, 196936895
Waiting list 1968—
1st January586110
1st February657164
1st March726167
1st April782180
1st May697150
1st June314131
1st July243123
1st August275108
1st September323102
1st October364115
1st November282114
1st December338115
At Nuneaton we expect to give service to 200 people in April and to the remainder by about the end of the year when additional exchange equipment is scheduled for completion.At Bedworth all should be served in June excepting 19 people on new housing estates where provision of cable is dependent upon building development.

Call Boxes (Security)

asked the Postmaster-General whether he will make arrangements for security measures such as alarm bells to be fitted to public telephone boxes as a deterrent to vandals; and whether he will arrange for a flashing light on the roof of telephone boxes to be activated by a separate switch when tests show the line is faulty so as to reduce the present inconvenience to telephone users.

We have tried local alarms as suggested by the hon. Member. Remote alarms are now used and have proved more successful in assisting the apprehension of thieves. Faults are now cleared as quickly as practicable after being reported. If this cannot be done, a prominent "out of use" notice is displayed. We do not consider that the cost of flashing light signals, as suggested, would be warranted.

Subscribers (Wrong Connections)

asked the Postmaster-General what procedure should be followed to obtain cancellation of charges by telephone subscribers who get, and are therefore charged for, wrong connections; whether a note of these is kept and reported at the time telephone bills are paid; and what action should be taken in cases when the operator does not reply when a subscriber tries to report wrong numbers.

A caller who has obtained a wrong number on a dialled call can obtain a credit, or a refund in the case of a call from a public call office, if he reports the matter to the operator. Due allowance is made for any credits when the subscriber's bill is prepared, but it is not possible to detail such credits in the bill. A subscriber should always obtain a reply from the operator; but, when a reply is excessively delayed, there may be a fault in the equipment, and a further attempt to call the operator should be made.

Greater London Area

asked the Postmaster-General what steps he is taking to improve the telephone service in the Greater London area, in view of the fact that in order to get three separate numbers on the Avenue, Abbey and Colindale exchanges between 11.30 a.m. and 1 p.m. on 28th January the hon. Member for Harrow, West, had to dial 10 times on different telephones in the House of Commons to get the three numbers to ring.

The Post Office is taking all the new telephone exchange equipment that the contractors can supply for the home market. Some £20 million worth of this is being installed annually in the Greater London area both to expand the system and to replace some of the older, more fault-prone, exchanges. A portion of this new equipment is of the latest electronic type which is inherently much more reliable than the existing equipment. We are also installing improved automatic testing equipment in all exchanges to identify faulty apparatus before it affects the service. The failures from the House of Commons on 28th January were due to a faulty switching unit used to route traffic from Whitehall to the exchanges mentioned. This fault was found during routine test, but could have been found and repaired earlier had the call failures been reported.

Call Failure Rates

asked the Postmaster-General how he calculates the average telephone call failure rate due to plant defect.

Observations are taken on random samples of calls to check the functioning of the automatic equipment. The results are processed by computer to provide average call failure rates attributable to plant defects or other causes.

Department Of Employment And Productivity

asked the Postmaster-General whether he is aware of the difficulties experienced by members of the public and Members of Parliament in obtaining telephone connections with the Department of Employment and Productivity on Monday, 27th January; what was the reason for this; and what action he proposes to take to prevent this in future.

I am not aware of any difficulties, but will arrange for an investigation to be made if my hon. Friend will let me have details.

Post Office

Offices (Security)

29.

asked the Postmaster-General what steps he is taking to improve security arrangements in Crown and sub-post offices; and if he will make a statement.

Crown Offices in the London area have recently been equipped with protective barriers and a special type of screen is being developed for use in Crown Offices wherever required. For sub-post offices, a Post Office designed screen for protecting staff at counters is being made available on a cost sharing basis. 4,000 have been ordered by Sub-Postmasters and delivery is now starting.

Guildford-Camberley Mail

asked the Postmaster-General how long a letter posted by second-class mail from Guildford should take to be delivered to an address in Camberley.

If posted at Guildford Head Post Office by 10 p.m. Monday to Friday or 9 p.m. on Sunday a second class letter should be delivered in Camberley within two working days.

Electricity

Prices

asked the Minister of Power (1) what was the average cost of electricity to domestic users, to industrial users and in total, respectively, during 1968;(2) if he will tabulate the maxi mum amount of electricity supplied by each area board in each month during 1968 to industrial users, to domestic users and in total, respectively;(3) if he will tabulate the present average price of electricity per unit to industrial users, in each area and in total, showing separately the price to industrial users on normal tariffs, on maximum demand control and on load control.

The average unit price of electricity sold to domestic and industrial users by areas and in total in England and Wales is given in statement A.5 of the Electricity Council's Report for 1967/68. The other figures asked for are not available.

Supply And Demand

asked the Minister of Power (1) what will be the maximum electricity generating capacity each month in 1969; what is his estimate of the peak demand in each month assuming average weather and normal demand; and to what extent peak demand will be reduced by special industrial tariffs;(2) what was the maximum, minimum and average demand for electricity, in megawatts, in Great Britain during each month in 1968; what this represented as a percentage of maximum generating capacity; and what was the amount of surplus generating capacity.

I am asking the Chairman of the Central Electricity Generating Board to let the hon. Member have what information is available for England and Wales. Electricity in Scotland is a matter for my right hon. Friend, the Secretary of State for Scotland.

Industrial Users (Special Tariffs)

asked the Minister of Power how many industrial users of electricity, in each area and in total, have agreed to special tariffs which either limit demands and involve load control, or limit demands at times of peak usage, or both and what extra generating capacity can be saved in times of emergency through such tariffs.

Any estimate would be arbitrary since boards offer a wide range of tariffs which offer inducements to restrict demands during peak periods.

Ministry Of Power

Local Offices (Closure)

asked the Minister of Power why his employees at Farnworth, Manchester and Newcastle-upon-Tyne were given three days' holiday at Christmas and another on New Year's Day.

None of the Ministry's four offices in Newcastle-upon-Tyne was closed both on New Year's Day and for a third day in Christmas week. The testing offices at Farnworth and Manchester were, because the factories they serve were closed, and leave taken on New Year's Day counted against the staff's own annual entitlement.

Public Building And Works

House Of Commons (Annunciators)

asked the Minister of Public Building and Works if he is aware that some of the small television annunciators in Members' private offices seldom work properly despite the efforts of the engineers to make them do so; and if he will take steps to improve this service.

Yes. I am writing to the firm which holds the contract for the installation and maintenance of the television annunciators expressing my dissatisfaction with the performance of the sets and asking it to meet officers of my Department with a view to ensuring that a more reliable service is provided in future.

Scotland

General Election, 1966

asked the Secretary of State for Scotland how many polling stations there were in Scotland at the General Election of March, 1966; how many people were employed to staff these; and at what cost to public funds.

The information is as follows:

Number of polling stations5,674
Number of staff employed11,658
Cost of staff employed£65,666

asked the Secretary of State for Scotland how many persons were employed to count the votes cast in Scotland at the General Election of March, 1966; and at what cost to public funds.

asked the Secretary of State for Scotland how many postal and proxy votes were cast in Scottish constituencies at the General Election of March, 1966.

45,016 postal votes were cast. Information about the number of proxy votes is not readily available and could not be obtained without a disproportionate amount of work.

asked the Secretary of State for Scotland what was the total cost to public funds of running the General Election in Scotland in March, 1966.

Inverurie Railway Workshops (Closure)

asked the Secretary of State for Scotland what steps he now intends to take to mitigate the effects of the impending closure of Inverurie Railway Workshops.

I understand that the British Railways Board informed the unions on 22nd January that in the Board's view closure is unavoidable, but that before the final decision is taken by the Board there will be full consultation at a further meeting in the near future. Without prejudice to this consultation, the Departments concerned are holding themselves ready to co-operate with British Rail in seeking another use for the workshops if this should become necessary. In particular, with the assistance of the Scottish Council (Development and Industry) publicity measures are being prepared to bring the facilities in the workshops, and especially their highly skilled labour force, to the notice of potential users.

Hospitals (Joint Consultative Committees)

asked the Secretary of State for Scotland how many Scottish hospitals have joint consultative committees; how often they meet; and what he is doing to encourage the formation of joint consultative committees and to ensure that they function effectively.

Establishment of joint consultative staff committees has been recommended to all hospitals and an agreed constitution for them is included in the General Whitley Council Handbook; this constitution provides that meetings shall be held as often as may be necessary. No central record is kept about where they have been set up or of the number of times they meet.

Rent Assessment Courts (Appeals)

asked the Secretary of State for Scotland what progress he has made in introducing a surveyors aid scheme, with a view to giving financial assistance to tenants to appeal against the decisions of the rent assessment courts; and if he will make a statement.

At my request, the professional bodies concerned have been examining the possibility of introducing a pilot scheme in Glasgow. I understand that they expect shortly to let me know the result.

Parking Schemes (Local Authority Expenditure)

asked the Secretary of State for Scotland whether he will give details of the circumstances in which the Government is planning to give financial help to local authorities in Scotland for parking schemes.

Support for expenditure by local authorities on parking schemes is given through the general contribution of rate support grant to rate-borne expenditure. In addition the provision of parking facilities at railway stations handling substantial volumes of commuter traffic may qualify for grants of up to 50 per cent. under Section 56 of the Transport Act, 1968.

Wales

Prince Of Wales (Investiture)

asked the Secretary of State for Wales what representatives of foreign and Commonwealth countries are being invited by Her Majesty's Government to attend the Investiture of the Prince of Wales at Caernarvon; and what expenses are being incurred by his department in this connection.

The Ambassadors and High Commissioners will be invited to attend the Investiture Ceremony at Caernarvon. Precise details of the expenditure are not yet available.

asked the Secretary of State for Wales what is the total proposed expenditure of public funds on the Investiture of the Prince of Wales at Caernarvon.