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Volume 779: debated on Monday 3 March 1969

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Written Answers To Questions

Monday, 3rd March, 1969

Hospitals

Domiciliary Midwives

26.

asked the Secretary of State for Social Services whether he is satisfied with the exercise of their powers by local health authorities in arranging for the provision of domiciliary midwives for attendance on women in hospital; and if he will make a statement.

Domiciliary midwives are already undertaking confinements in hospitals in some areas, but it is too early to make any general assessment of the use of these powers, which only came into effect in September last.

Shelton Hospital, Shrewsbury

32.

asked the Secretary of State for Social Services what reconstruction he intends to make at Shelton Hospital, Shrewsbury, following the fire and at what cost; and whether he will give an assurance that the ward in which recent casualties occurred will not be restored to its former design.

Reinstatement of the fire damage and minor improvements at a cost of £17,500; the Answer to the second part of the Question is "No".

Ante-Natal Facilities (Woking)

42. Mr.

asked the Secretary of State for Social Services what plans have been submitted to him for the provision of local ante-natal facilities in Woking after the closure of the Woking Maternity Hospital.

I have not yet reached a decision on the board's proposal to close Woking Maternity Hospital.

Building Programme

48.

asked the Secretary of State for Social Services whether he is satisfied that the hospital-building programme set out in Command Paper No. 1604, A Hospital Plan for England and Wales, is being carried out without amendment, and on time; and if he will make a statement.

The Hospital Building Programme of May, 1966, revised the original Hospital Plan of 1962 (Cmnd. 1604). Capital development is being carried out in accordance with the former. But it is a flexible programme as Cmnd. 3000 stressed.

Abortions

49.

asked the Secretary of State for Social Services how many foreign nationals have had hospital treatment under the provisions of the Abortion Law Reform Act in National Health Service hospitals, in the London area, since the Act became operative.

56.

asked the Secretary of State for Social Services how many alien women have been aborted, under the National Health Service, since the coming into force of the Abortion Act.

My information relates to country of ordinary residence, not nationality. Up to the end of September, 1968, 18 women not normally resident in this country were treated under the Act in National Health Service hospitals in England and Wales, presumably as private patients, 14 of them in the London area.

53.

asked the Secretary of State for Social Services whether he is satisfied with the working of the Abortion Act and the effects of its operation; what plans he has to introduce amending or other legislation; and whether he will make a statement.

It is too early to reach conclusions but I am watching the situation closely.

Waiting Lists (North Devon)

50.

asked the Secretary of State for Social Services what is the trend in the number of people waiting for hospital beds in North Devon, particularly in Bideford and Barnstaple; and what plans he has to reduce the waiting list.

Over the 12 months ending 31st December, 1968, there was a small reduction in the overall waiting lists for North Devon. The regional board plans to provide a second operating theatre this year at the North Devon Infirmary.

Food Cost

51.

asked the Secretary of State for Social Services what is the quarterly food cost return for each hospital of each group for the county of Devon for each quarter in 1967 and 1968.

I am obtaining the information requested and will send it to the hon. Member.

asked the Secretary of State for Social Services what is the actual cost of food per week per patient in hospitals as compared with the recommended figure of between 32s. 10d. to 35s. 6d.

I would refer the hon. Member to my hon. Friend's reply to him of 5th November last which gives the latest available figure of cost.—[Vol. 772, c. 73.]

Nursing Profession (Pay Structure)

55.

asked the Secretary of State for Social Services what steps he is taking to remove the anomalies in the pay structure within the nursing profession as a result of the implementation of the recommendations of Report No. 60 of the National Board for Prices and Incomes.

This would be a matter for the Nurses and Midwives Whitley Council but I am not aware of any anomalies so serious as to override the recommendation of the National Board for Prices and Incomes that the new pay structure should last until 31st March, 1970.

Beds, Kent (Clearing House)

60.

asked the Secretary of Stale for Social Services if he will arrange for a clearing house to be set up for hospital beds in the area of Kent centred on Maidstone and reaching from Pembury to the Medway Towns and Charing.

Admission arrangements are a matter for the hospital authority concerned. I understand that arrangements have recently been made whereby if a general practitioner seeks an emergency admission at the West Kent General Hospital in Maidstone and no bed is available there it is the hospital's responsibility to find a bed elsewhere in the area.

Geriatric Beds, North-West Surrey

61.

asked the Secretary of State for Social Services how many patients were admitted to psychiatric hospital beds in North-West Surrey during each of the past three years because no geriatric hospital beds were available for them.

No patients not in need of psychiatric care have been admitted to the psychiatric hospital for the area during this period.

Temporary Nursing Staff

63.

asked the Secretary of State for Social Services how many temporary nurses were hired by the National Health Service hospitals from private agencies during each of the past three years; and what was the total extra cost to the National Health Service over and above the cost of employing regular staff for the same duties.

The numbers in post at 31st March, 1966, 1967 and 1968, were 1,291, 1,139 and 1,431 respectively. The total extra cost is not known, but such information as is available suggests that it may not be great.

Cumberland (Nurses)

asked the Secretary of State for Social Services if he is satisfied that there are sufficient nurses at the Cumberland Infirmary to cover the hospital over a 24-hour period; and if he will make a statement.

The number of nurses in post is 25 below the approved complement and the shortage is temporarily aggravated by the incidence of sick leave. The Authority is continuing its recruitment efforts, and it is hoped that the group nurse training school to be established will in due course support these efforts.

asked the Secretary of State for Social Services if he is satisfied that there are sufficient trainee nurses coming forward to staff the hospitals in Carlisle and Cumberland in the future; and if he will make a statement.

Yes, with the exception of Cumberland Infirmary. This hospital is approved for training student nurses, and the number at present in training is 44 below the complement authorised. It is comparatively easy to recruit pupil nurses for which the City General Hospital is approved for training. It has therefore been decided to set up a training school for the group, combining both student and pupil nurses, by about the middle of the year, and to decrease the complement of student nurses and increase that of pupil nurses.

Hartlepool (Waiting List)

asked the Secretary of State for Social Services how many people are on the waiting list for admission to hospital in the Hartlepools; and what proportion of these are over 60 years of age.

Nurses (Hartlepool)

asked the Secretary of State for Social Services how many nurses are working on split shifts in the Hartlepool group of hospitals; and what are the highest hours worked in each of the past eight weeks by any nurse.

One hundred and twenty-six. Of these 104 work only one split shift per week.During the past eight weeks there have been three instances of nurses working more than the normal 42-hour week. Two worked 46 hours and one 47. These nurses were given off-duty time to compensate for the excess hours and in no case worked more than 84 hours in a fortnight.

asked the Secretary of State for Social Services how many

Catering Officer250
Assistant Catering Officer250(The minimum is 401 where the Catering Officer does not have full responsibility in regard to purchasing of food as well as control of service).
Kitchen Superintendent Class I351(These appointments may only be made in hospitals where no Catering Officer is employed).
Assistant Kitchen Superintendent Class I
Kitchen Superintendent Class II501(These appointments may be made where a Catering Officer is employed).
Head Cook150
Assistant Head Cook
Where the number of midday meals served is less than 150, a cook-in-charge may be appointed and a catering officer

nurses are on the staffs of each of the hospitals in Hartlepool; and what is the full staff requirement in each case.

Name of hospital

Staff at 31st January, 1969 (Whole time equivalent)

Approved complement

Hartlepool General189·39196
Cameron86·5883
St. Hilda's102·3799
Brierton38·4640
Grantully Maternity Home18·7920
Total435·59438

asked the Secretary of State for Social Services how many new nurses have been employed in the Hartlepool group of hospitals in each of the last three years; how many have left the employ of the group in the same years; and how many new applicants for nursing are receiving training.

Nurses recruited in 1966, 1967 and 1968 were 100, 104 and 96: those leaving were 80, 82 and 68 in the same years. One hundred and thirty-two are in training.

Catering Staff

asked the Secretary of State for Social Services what is the staff allocation in administrative grades for catering officers down to head cooks allowed per hospital unit against the number of beds in the hospital and the numbers of hospital personnel being catered for.

This is a matter for the hospital authority subject to the relevant Whitley agreements. The agreements at present relate to the total number of midday meals served to patients and staff; the minimum number of midday meals for the appointment of staff of each grade from catering officer down to head cook is as follows:elsewhere in the Group may be given general supervisory authority and paid an allowance for this responsibility.

Hartlepool (Nurses' Uniforms)

asked the Secretary of State for Social Services what uniform allowance is given to nurses in the Hartlepool group of hospitals; what items nurses are expected to provide with that allowance, or what uniform provision is made in lieu of an allowance; and how often replacements are allowed.

No uniform allowance is given except to the hospital matrons who are in accordance with the relevant Whitley Agreement given an allowance to purchase their own uniforms. This allowance is £60 on first appointment and £40 for replacements in each succeeding year.Nurses are provided with the following items of uniform—2 dresses, 3 caps, 12 aprons, 4 collars and 2 belts. Replacements are made as required.

Mother/Child Units (Wales)

asked the Secretary of State for Social Services what plans he has to increase the number of mother/child units in Welsh hospitals.

In a number of hospitals in Wales, arrangements can be made to accommodate the parents of a seriously-ill child. In new building the provision of accommodation for mothers to be admitted to hospital with their children is now accepted particularly for children under five years of age.Accommodation of this nature is included in the new University Hospital of Wales under construction and will be included in the second phase of the Nevill Hall Hospital, Abergavenny, and in the new district general hospitals at Rhyl and Gurnos (Merthyr Tydfil) to be started in the period up to 1971/72. It will be included in all new children's wards in the future.

Geriatric Beds (Hartlepool)

asked the Secretary of State for Social Services what plans have been submitted to him designed to meet the need for geriatric beds in the Hartlepool group of hospitals; and if he will make a statement.

The first phase of the new Hartlepool District General Hospital is due to start building in May 1969.

This phase will include 120 geriatric beds, of which 95 are intended to replace existing beds. In addition the regional hospital board is proposing to retain 22 geriatric beds at St. Hilda's Hospital.

Geriatric Patients (Hartlepool)

asked the Secretary of State for Social Services how many geriatric patients are in hospital in Hartlepool; how many are on the waiting list; and, of these, what proportion have been waiting for admission for more than three months.

One hundred and thirteen in geriatric beds, and there are 11 patients at present occupying other hospital beds who are awaiting transfer to geriatric beds. There is no waiting list for geriatric beds for patients not already in hospital.

British Hospitals Export Council(Report)

asked the Secretary of State for Social Services if he has considered the report entitled, "British Hospitals, Home and Overseas", of the British Hospitals Export Council, a copy of which is in his possession; what action he plans to take; and if he will make a statement.

Yes. I am glad to take this opportunity to pay tribute to the achievements of the British Hospitals Export Council. Information supplied by the Council shows that British architects, engineers and building contractors are at present involved with hospital building overseas worth £180 million. In addition, exports of hospital and medical equipment are approaching £20 million per annum.

Consultants (Wales)

asked the Secretary of State for Social Services whether, to relieve the long waiting lists for hospital admission in Wales, he will provide that a greater proportion of consultant staff employed should work full time for National Health Service hospitals.

The number of consultants employed in the hospitals in Wales has risen in recent years and the Welsh Hospital Board are considering special measures to alleviate the position in those groups where waiting lists are excessive. The existing contracts of consultants cannot however be changed without their consent; and under an agreement made with the Joint Consultants Committee a consultant who is prepared to give substantially the whole of his time to a post in the Hospital Service can normally choose between a whole-time or a maximum part-time contract.

Central Hospital, Warwick

asked the Secretary of State for Social Services how many patients were in the Central Hospital, Warwick, on 31st December, 1968, and on 31st December, 1967, respectively.

Geriatric Beds, North-West Surrey(Waiting List)

asked the Secretary of State for Social Services what proportion of those on the waiting list for geriatric hospital beds in North-West Surrey during 1968 died before admission.

16·2 per cent.; this includes people waiting in local authority homes and private nursing homes as well as those waiting at home.

asked the Secretary of State for Social Services what are the criteria for inclusion on the geriatric hospital waiting list in North-West Surrey.

No general criteria are laid down. Each case is considered on its merits by the geriatrician concerned.

asked the Secretary of State for Social Services what is the average length of time spent on the waiting list for a geriatric hospital bed in North-West Surrey.

It is not possible to give a meaningful figure of average waiting time for geriatric beds. All patients are assessed on their current medico-social circumstances which govern the degree of priority they are given in relation to other patients who are awaiting admission.

asked the Secretary of State for Social Services how many additional geriatric hospital beds have been provided in North-West Surrey during each of the past four years; and how many, on present plans, will be provided in each of the next four years.

20 in 1965, 13 in 1966, 12 in 1967 and none in 1968. I understand that the regional hospital board has at present no plans to provide further additional geriatric beds in this area over the next four years.

Social Services

Immigrants (Repatriation)

43.

asked the Secretary of State for Social Services how many Commonwealth immigrants have been repatriated at public expense in the last 12 months.

In the 12 month up to 31st December, 1968, supplementary benefit payments were made to 93 individuals or families to enable them to return to their countries of origin in the Commonwealth and elsewhere.

asked the Secretary of State for Social Services what information he has as to the total number of former immigrants who emigrated from Great Britain in each of recent months.

I regret that the information is not available in the form requested. In the four quarters up to September, 1968, the estimated outward movement of persons who were not citizens of the United Kingdom and Colonies—excluding traffic to the Irish Republic—and who had spent at least one year in this country and intended to be overseas for at least one year was respectively 17, 13, 13 and 26 thousand.

Family Planning Service (Brent)

52.

asked the Secretary of State for Social Services whether he will exercise the reserve powers contained in Section 1 of the National Health Service (Family Planning) Act, 1967, to ensure that the borough of Brent provides an adequate family planning service in accordance with the terms of the above Act.

The council has increased the local facilities substantially since the Act came into force and is considering further expansion. I do not think it would be justifiable to act as my hon. Friend suggests.

Disabled Persons (Shared Cars)

45.

asked the Secretary of State for Social Services what was the number of applications in 1968 from disabled persons for shared cars under the Department's scheme; and how many were provided.

294 applications for motor cars were received from National Health Service patients, of which 224 were accepted.

Poultry (Salmonellosis)

54.

asked the Secretary of State for Social Services whether, in view of the evidence of Professor Semple, details of which have been sent to him, concerning the danger of salmonellosis in broiler chickens, he will consider the speedy introduction of compulsory post mortem inspection of poultry.

Inspection of poultry is undertaken by local authorities under the provisions of the Food and Drugs Act, 1955, and the Food Hygiene (General) Regulations, 1960. Visual inspection, however, does not reveal the presence of salmonella organisms, and the safety of this food lies, as indicated by Professor Semple, in the hygienic handling and proper thawing and cooking of the birds.

Aircraft Noise

62.

asked the Secretary of State for Social Services what action he has taken under Sections 18(1) and (2) of the Civil Aviation Act, 1949, to make arrangements to prevent danger to public health from aircraft arriving at airports in this country, having regard to the fact that excessive noise can constitute a danger to public health; and if he will make a statement.

Although aircraft noise can clearly cause considerable annoyance, I have no evidence that noise normally encountered domestically and socially (as distinct from occupational exposure to intense noise) produces any direct and measurable physiological effect on the average person or on mental health.

Doctors

58 and 59.

asked the Secretary of State for Social Services (1) if he will now make a statement on the Royal Commission's comments on the reliance of the National Health Service on reinforcements of doctors from overseas and the need to reduce such reliance;(2) if he will make a statement about medical manpower and the Todd recommendations.

As I said in reply to Questions by the hon. Member on 27th January, I am in sympathy with the Royal Commission's comments on reliance on overseas doctors. My consultations on the Royal Commission's recommendations about medical manpower are now nearly completed but I am not yet ready to make a statement.—[Vol. 776, c. 916–19.]

Departmental Research

asked the Secretary of State for Social Services whether he will make a statement on the research being conducted by his Department; and what aspects of poverty and need are being studied by the team his predecessor announced at the end of September, 1968.

My Department is conducting a very extensive programme of research in the fields of medicine, health and welfare services, and social security, including work on clinical and social medicine, aspects of hospital building, engineering and equipment, and inquiries into problems arising in the welfare and social security services. The main activity of the unit described by my right hon. Friend the Paymaster-General in September, 1968, will be to study the financial circumstances of families with children, paying special attention to one-parent families.

Departmental Administration Andresearch (Decentralisation)

asked the Secretary of State for Social Services what proposals are being considered at present for moving sections of the administration or research activities of his Department from the London area to other parts of England or Wales within the next five years, or for establishing new centres of administration or research outside the London area within the next five years.

I plan to use computers outside London for some of the social security benefit work of local offices in London, and for certain salaries and wages work still being done in London.The Regional Office for London (West) will shortly be moving from Central London to Basingstoke.

National Health Service Superannuation Scheme

asked the Secretary of State for Social Services, in view of the fact that the percentage reduction, in relation to actual earnings, in the lump sum retiring allowance for a married officer can represent more than the percentage paid for the actual retirement pension, if he will amend the National Health Service Superannuation Regulations to provide that the lump sum retiring allowance shall be reduced by one half for persons required to provide for a widow's pension.

No. I am advised that the cost of widows' pensions at the basic rate is actuarially equivalent to the two-thirds reduction of lump sum retiring allowances currently provided for by the Regulations.

asked the Secretary of State for Social Services (1) to what extent it is calculated that the contributions of entrants to the National Health Service Superannuation Scheme could be reduced on the basis of funding the Scheme to the extent by which the optants of previous schemes do not pay the full actuarial amounts of the benefits they receive;(2) what estimate he has made of the actuarial effect to date on the National Health Service Scheme of taking over the optants of previous schemes and of the trend of this effect in future.

Following his investigation of the National Health Service Superannuation Scheme as at 31st

DateWeekly rate of retirement pension Date for man plus wife on his insuranceAverage weekly earnings of male of manual workersRetirement pension as percentage of average earningsas
(1)
£s.d.£s.d.per cent.
January, 19687602176 (2)34·2
January, 19697602300 (2)31·7
(1) Average earnings of male manual workers in manufacturing and some of the principal non-manufacturing industries covered by the inquiry conducted by the Department of Employment and Productivity in April and October each year.
(2) As at the latest comparable dates for which figures are available, i.e., October, 1967, and October, 1968, respectively.

March, 1955, the Government Actuary reported that one of the principal factors contributing to the initial deficiency of £34 million was the inadequacy of contributions for optants of all ages. This initial deficiency took account of future liabilities in respect of the optants and was met in full by the Government. This factor, therefore, does not affect the actuarial balance of the scheme and no question of reducing the rate of contribution for other entrants arises on this account.

asked the Secretary of State for Social Services what study his Department has made of the comparative levels of contribution to, and benefit provided by, the National Health Service Superannuation Regulations and the corresponding schemes operated by the nationalised industries; and if he will make a statement.

My Department is represented on the Standing Inter-departmental Committee which co-ordinates policy on superannuation schemes in the public sector, including those of the nationalised industries. The provisions of the National Health Service Scheme are generally in line with those to be found in the nationalised industries. Such variations as exist result for different circumstances in the various fields of employment.

Retirement Pension

asked the Secretary of State for Social Services if he will list in the OFFICIAL REPORT the value of the retirement pension for a married couple in January, 1968, and January, 1969, and these values as a percentage of average industrial earnings at the same dates.

National Health Service Patients(Rail Transport)

asked the Secretary of State for Social Services what are the present arrangements for the conveyance of National Health Service patients by rail; and, in the case of stretcher cases, what facilities are available in trains where there are no separate compartments.

For patients for whom rail transport is considered most suitable, local health authorities make arrangements direct with British Rail. An entire compartment is reserved where necessary; otherwise the patient travels as an ordinary passenger in a reserved seat. Stretcher patients cannot be conveyed in trains which have no separate compartments.

Prescriptions (Metrication)

asked the Secretary of State for Social Services why, in view of the fact that under his regulations it will be compulsory from 3rd March for pharmacists to dispense in metric weights, it will not at the same time be compulsory for doctors to prescribe in metric weights; and what arrangements he is making to compensate pharmacists for the extra work involved in converting prescriptions from Imperial weights to metric weights.

The provsions of the Weights and Measures Act 1963 under which the regulations are made do not relate to the prescribing of drugs, but only to one fulfilling of the order in a prescription.A sample inquiry into chemists' costs, arranged jointly by the Department and the Chemist Contractors Committee, which begins in April, will disclose the staff time spent in National Health Service work including extra work resulting from metrication; the results of the inquiry will subsequently be used in reviewing chemists' remuneration.

Health Centres (Wales)

asked the Secretary of State for Social Services how many health centres have been opened in Wales since 1964; how many are being built, have been approved, or are being actively considered.

Nine since 1964; six are being built, 15 have been approved and eight under consideration by the Welsh Board of Health.

Transport

Passenger Transport Authority(Leicestershire)

64.

asked the Minister of Transport if he will take steps to establish a Passenger Transport Authority for Leicester and Leicestershire.

No. I think the public transport problems in this area can better be tackled in other ways and moves are already afoot.

Nationalised Transport Undertakings(Advertising)

65.

asked the Minister of Transport how much was spent by the nationalised transport undertakings on advertising during the latest period of 12 months for which figures are available; and how this compares with the previous 12 months.

I am told by the nationalised transport industries that they spent £3,424,000 on advertising in 1968, and £3,439,000 in 1967.

New Vehicles

68.

asked the Minister of Transport how many new vehicles were licensed in January, 1969; and what were the comparable figures in the same month of 1968 and 1967, respectively.

The numbers of new registrations in Great Britain were as follows:

JanuaryNumber
1969120,265*
1968158,386
1967136,280
*Provisional figure

Lorries (Weight Limits)

asked the Minister of Transport what consultations he has had with heavy goods vehicle manufacturers, road haulage operators and trade unions about the introduction of articulated lorries of 38 or 42 tons gross weight; and whether he will make a statement.

Engineers of my Department have been exploring, with organisations representing goods vehicle manufacturers and operators, the technical aspects of a new and more flexible system of regulating vehicle weight limits in relation to bridge capacities. Such a system, if feasible, could provide for some increases in the present gross weight limits for rigid and articulated vehicles, but the extent of the increases is undecided.As soon as firm proposals can be formulated they will be widely circulated in the usual way for comment.

Administration And Research(Government Offices)

asked the Minister of Transport what proposals are being considered at present for moving sections of the administration or research activities of his Department from the London area to other parts of England or Wales within the next five years, or for establishing new centres of administration or research outside the London area within the next five years.

The central office of the new organisation to be set up under the Vehicle and Driving Licences Bill now before Parliament will be at Swansea. Ultimately this office will have between three and four thousand staff; some of those planning the project are already there and more will join them shortly.

Damaged Tyres (Repair)

asked the Minister of Transport what regulations he has made regarding the use of plugging for damaged tyres; if he will completely ban the use of this type of dangerous repair; and if he will make a statement.

No regulations have been made.I have no evidence justifying a ban on plugging which is usually an effective means of temporary repair for simple punctures. Isolated instances of externally inserted plugs blowing out at high speed have demonstrated the advisability of strengthening these repairs as soon as practicable by vulcansing on the inside of the tyre. This procedure, and examination of the punctured tyre for internal damage, is advocated by the tyre industry and by my Department.

Ports

Container Berths

66.

asked the Minister of Transport in view of the fact that the container deck at Tilbury now turns round ships with 15 men in 12 hours against 12 days with 100 men under the old system, what steps he is taking to secure the adoption of this modern system of handling cargo in all British ports.

My right hon. Friend has approved about 15 container berths so far, including those at Tilbury. The initiative for further developments of this kind rests with port authorities.

Railways

Investment

67.

asked the Minister of Transport by what percentage investment in British Railways this year will vary from the 1964 investment total at constant prices.

Any direct comparison is affected by the transfer, under the Transport Act, 1968, of some railway activities to the National Freight Corporation and the Scottish Transport Group. After taking account of the likely investment in these transferred activities, the overall reduction will be of the order of 19 per cent.

Birmingham—Nottingham Line

asked the Minister of Transport what representations he has received from local authorities about methods of subsidising the Birmingham—Leicester—Nottingham railway line; and what reply he has sent.

None. But we have received a letter from the hon. Member for Harborough (Mr. Farr) telling us that the local authorities concerned have reached a formal decision.

Roads

M1 (Damaged Sign)

69.

asked the Minister of Transport for how long has the half-mile warning and direction sign at exit 17 on the northbound carriageway of the M1 been so damaged as to be useless; and when it is proposed to replace it.

This sign was damaged in an accident in September, 1968, and it is expected that it will be replaced at the end of April.

Crowland Road, Haverhill

asked the Minister of Transport why, in view of the deteriorating and dangerous condition of Crow-land Road, Haverhill, he refused to agree to Haverhill Rural District Council's suggested improvement scheme.

An application by Haverhill Urban District Council for sanction to raise a loan to finance the proposed works in Crowland Road was refused because of financial stringency. However, this application has now been reviewed and a recommendation for loan sanction will be made forthwith.

A5 Trunk Road, Tamworth

asked the Minister of Transport what proportion of the traffic on the A5 trunk road in the Borough of Tamworth he estimates is through-traffic and what proportion is local traffic; and what changes he envisages in these proportions when the Midlands motorway link is opened.

On the basis of the national census in August, 1965, the proportion of through traffic is estimated to be about two-thirds and local traffic about one-third. As a result of the opening of the Midland Link Motorway, it is estimated that about half of the total A5 traffic will divert to the M6; of the remainder about a quarter will be through traffic and about three-quarters local traffic.More accurate figures should be available when the consultants have finished their work on the development of the road pattern for the New Town.

Foreign And Commonwealthaffairs

Kenya (Asians)

70.

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs on how many occasions since the organisations of United Kingdom citizens have disbanded in Nairobi has the British High Commission called meetings of its honorary correspondents; and whether the membership of this body has been recently reviewed by the High Commission.

In response to a request received on the 24th of February, our High Commissioner has called a meeting of his Nairobi Asian honorary correspondents for 5th March.Our High Commission has frequent discussions with individual correspondents, who are appointed on a personal basis to represent a geographical area. Replacements are made when necessary.

71.

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs on how many occasions since the passing of the Commonwealth Immigrants Act, 1968, the British High Commission in Nairobi has made representations to the Kenya Government on behalf of individual United Kingdom citizens of Asian origin.

I regret I cannot enumerate the number of occasions. Our High Commission in Nairobi is in almost daily contact with the appropriate departments of the Kenya Government over immigration and other problems of individual United Kingdom citizens of Asian origin.

Italy (Detainees)

72.

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs how many British citizens are imprisoned by the Italian authorities at Trani, Bari, Italy: what are their names and ages; for what period each has been imprisoned or held without trial; and on how many occasions the British Consul at Bari has visited them since January 1968.

Five. Messrs. J. R. Castle, T. P. Guerin, J. A. Haywood, B. W. Reay and L. F. Taylor, none of whom is a minor. The five men have been detained by the Italian authorities since 3rd January, 1968. Our Consul at Bari has visited the men 16 times since this date.

73.

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs what representations he has received concerning the imprisonment of five British citizens at Trani, Bari, Italy; what replies he has sent; what further representations he has made concerning their imprisonment; and whether he will make a statement.

Representations have been made by certain hon. Members, in addition to approaches by relatives to the Foreign and Commonwealth Office and to our Consul at Bari. Our replies have indicated Her Majesty's Government's continuing concern for the general welfare of the prisoners and that the trial should be held at the earliest possible date. Our Embassy in Rome and our Consul in Bari will continue to emphasise to the Italian authorities the desirability of holding an early trial.

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs what information he has concerning the health of the five British citizens held without trial at Trani, Bari, Italy, since January 1968; how often he has been informed by the Italian authorities of the probable date of their trial; what explanation he has received from the Italian authorities for the delay in bringing them to trial; what charges have been brought against them; and what is now the probable date of trial.

Our Consul in Bari visited the prisoners on 18th February. They were well and had no complaints to put to him. Tentative estimates of the trial date given by the Italian authorities have been amended three times. Delay has been caused by the complex international ramifications of the case, the extent of investigation found necessary in a matter involving over 30 suspects (some outside Italy) and the time involved in the delivery of summonses. Charges have been brought against all five of conspiracy to smuggle, smuggling and tax evasions in two categories; and one of them is additionally accused of failure to obey a warship's order to stop and of certain breaches of the Italian navigation regulations. It is now estimated that the trial may be held in April or May.

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs how many British subjects are currently imprisoned in Italy; and how many are awaiting trial.

Nine United Kingdom citizens of whom eight are awaiting trial. I have no information on British subjects who are not United Kingdom nationals.

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs whether he will arrange for a visit to Trani Prison, Bari, by a senior member of the British Embassy staff at Rome to ensure that the needs of British citizens currently imprisoned there are catered for; and if he will arrange for a representative from the Embassy to be present at their trial.

No, it is not necessary to do so.Our Consul at Bari has responsibility for the general welfare of these men and will arrange for attendance by a member of the Consulate at the trial.

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs whether he will make arrangements to ensure that close relatives of British citizens imprisoned at Trani, Bari, Italy, are kept informed of the condition of the detainees; and why he has not done so to date.

The five men are accorded prison postal facilities and are thus able to communicate themselves with their relatives and to receive letters. They are regularly visited by the Consul and are in a position to request his assistance in the transmission of any exceptional messages. The Consul would of course deal promptly with any emergency matter requiring to be brought to the attention of relatives. In these circumstances, I do not feel that any other special arrangements are called for.

European Commission Onhuman Rights

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs how many individual petitions from residents in the United Kingdom have been presented to the European Commission on Human Rights under Article 25.

Up to the end of last year 148 petitions had been presented to the European Commission of Human Rights since Her Majesty's Government accepted the right of individual petition under Article 25 of the European Convention on Human Rights. Only 30 petitions under Article 25 have been referred by the Commission to Her Majesty's Government for observations. We have filed our observations on 16 of these petitions; only one of them has as a result been declared admissible by the Commission.

Detention Without Trial

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs what is his Department's policy in cases where British citizens are held for upwards of a year in foreign countries without trial.

Our aim is to secure treatment which is in accordance with civilised standards, to see that they suffer no discrimination and are brought to trial within a reasonable period.

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs whether he will raise the question of detention without trial and the sentencing policy of Governments which are members of the Council of Europe at the Councils of Ministers with a view to securing a more uniform approach.

No. However, it would be open to any delegate to raise this matter in the appropriate committee within the Council of Europe with a view to discovering the degree of support for such a proposal.

European Countries (British Prisoners)

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs how many British citizens are serving sentences of upwards of one year's imprisonment in European countries; and on what charges.

Fifty-three. Twenty are serving sentences on narcotics offences; the remainder are serving sentences variously for fraud, theft, robbery, murder or manslaughter, anti-Soviet activity, and sexual or currency offences.

Statutory Appointments

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs how many statutory appointments are within his patronage; and how many of the recipients of this patronage are of Scottish domicile.

About 35, of which four are paid. It would not be practicable to try to distinguish the holders of these appointments who are of Scottish domicile.

Employment And Productivity

Construction Industry (Self-Employment)

74.

asked the Secretary of State for Employment and Productivity if she is aware that 20 per cent. of men engaged in the construction industry claim to be self-employed; and what steps she now proposes to take with the two sides of the industry to ensure that this development should be consistent with good industrial practice.

The number of employers and self-employed in construction in mid-1967 is estimated to have been around 230,000 or 12 per cent. of the total engaged in construction. My right hon. Friends the Secretary of State and the Minister of Public Building and Works are discussing with the industry the proposals in the Phelps Brown Report for legislation to regulate self-employment in the industry.

Women (Night Work)

75.

asked the Secretary of State for Employment and Productivity whether, in carrying out Section 117(1) of the Factories Act, 1961, in regard to the employment of women on night work, it is her practice to consult with the appropriate trade union before permission is granted.

Unemployment

asked the Secretary of State for Employment and Productivity what percentage of male workers were registered as unemployed in each of the last three months and in February, 1965, 1966, 1967 and 1968 in Camborne/Redruth, in Falmouth, in Helston, in the South-Western development area, in the development areas as a whole and in Great Britain outside the development areas.

Unemployment statistics for development areas have been calculated monthly since August, 1966, and were produced retrospectively for

PERCENTAGE RATES OF UNEMPLOYMENT FOR MALES
Camborne and RedruthFalmouthHelstonSouth Western Development AreaAll Development AreaGreat Britain outside the Development Areas
10th February, 1969
(provisional)5·87·512·36·65·62·8
13th January, 19696·47·713·16·85·82·8
9th December, 19686·17·011·76·45·32·6
12th February, 19686·97·912·56·65·43·0
13th February, 19676·57·711·36·44·92·8
13th June, 19663·16·44·02·82·71·0
14th February, 19664·311·26·7
14th June, 19653·315·53·83·32·81·0
8th February, 19653·84·45·1

White Paper "In Place Of Strife"

asked the Secretary of State for Employment and Productivity if she will make a further statement on the consultations she is having with interested organisations about the proposals in the White Paper, "In Place of Strife", Command Paper No. 3888.

I am consulting the T.U.C., the C.B.I, and the nationalised industries. National organisations affected by the Government's proposals, but not covered by these bodies, who wish to be consulted are invited to get in touch with my Department without delay.

Phelps Brown Report

asked the Secretary of State for Employment and Productivity whether she has yet held discussions with the National Federation of Building Trades Employers and the National Federation of Building Trades Operatives regarding the implementation of the Phelps Brown Report.

My right hon. Friends the Secretary of State and the Minister of Public Building and Works met the N.F.B.T.O. on 30th January and the N.F.B.T.E. on 18th February to discuss the Phelps Brown Report. Officials of interested Departments are now engaged in more detailed consultations with the industry about the legislative proposals in the Phelps Brown report.

June each year from 1956 to 1966. The following table shows the information, where it is available, for the dates specified. For 1965 and 1966, June figures have been shown for the Development Areas and for Great Britain outside the Development Areas.

Home Department

Racecourse Betting Levy Board (Chairman's Salary)

76.

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department whether he is aware that on appointment the Chairman of the Horserace Betting Levy Board received a salary 20 per cent. higher than his predecessor and that this is to be increased from £4,800 a year to £6,000 a year; and whether he will refer this matter to the National Board for Prices and Incomes.

I would refer my hon. Friend to the reply which I gave to his Question on 27th February.—[Vol. 778, c. 341.]

Reports Of Committal Proceedings

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department what further consideration he has given to the representations which he and the Attorney-General have jointly received from the Guild of British Newspaper Editors and other bodies on the provision of the Criminal Justice Act, 1967, which restricts reports of committal proceedings; and if he will make a statement.

My right hon. Friend and I have carefully considered the points that have been put to us since the Act came into force, and I have issued a further circular to magistrates' courts, a copy of which has been placed in the Library.

Scotland

Economy

79.

asked the Secretary of State for Scotland whether the improvement of the Scottish economy in relation to that of the United Kingdom remains the basic aim of the Government's policy for the development of Scotland; to what extent this aim was achieved in 1968; and what statistical evidence he uses as a measure of progress.

Yes. During the year there was a further fall in the ratio of the Scottish unemployment rate to that for Great Britain. There was a fall in net outward migration both overseas and to the rest of the United Kingdom. Approvals for new industrial development remained at a high level.

Doctors

asked the Secretary of State for Scotland how many principal doctors were on Executive Council lists in Scotland for the year 1968; and what was the average number of patients per principal doctor in that year.

asked the Secretary of State for Scotland if he will state the number of doctors practising as principals in the National Health Service at the end of 1968.

On 31st December, 1968, there were 2,592 doctors practising as principals on Executive Council lists in Scotland, and the average number of patients per principal was 2,106.

Children (Special Educational Treatment)

77.

asked the Secretary of State for Scotland how many children in Scotland and in each local education authority area, respectively, under Section 63 of the Education (Scotland) Act, 1962, require special educational treatment; how many places are available; and how many children are suffering from a disability of mind of such a nature or to such an extent as to make them unsuitable for education or training in a special school.

At 17th January, 1968, 11,820 were receiving special education in education authority or grant-aided special schools and there were 13,930 places available for such children. In recent years, the average number of children reported to local health authorities as unsuitable for education or training in special schools has been about 170 a year, but the total number of such children who are still of school age is not known.The figures for individual education authority areas are as follows:

Education AuthorityNumber of children, receiving special educationNumber of places availableNumber reported as unsuitable for education or training
Counties
Aberdeen1252005
Angus791207
Argyll10208
Ayr71689611
Banff57596
Berwick3240
Bute1026
Caithness7491
Clackmannan62552
Dumfries100140
Dunbarton388417
East Lothian881504
Fife452639
Inverness8185
Kincardine
Kirkcudbright3560
Lanark1,2491,42121
Midlothian2533017
Moray and Nairn4655
Orkney
Peebles8385
Perth and Kinross2092525
Renfrew9171,0159
Ross and Cromarty7294
Roxburgh50608
Selkirk2140
Stirling28729916
Sutherland
West Lothian1221606
Wigtown76110
Zetland
Burghs
Aberdeen4756055
Dundee5055654
Edinburgh1,0551,33215
Glasgow4,0914,53824
11,82013,930163

Notes:

1. The number of children receiving special education and the number of places available are given as at 17th January, 1968.

2. The number of children reported as unsuitable for education or training relates to the year 1967.

Development Area Schemes

78.

asked the Secretary of State for Scotland how much public money has been received in Scotland under development area schemes each year since 1960; what has been the net increase in the number of persons in employment each year, excluding central and local government non-industrial civil servants; and how much per capita of the additional numbers in employment the annual receipts represent.

Expenditure under the main development area schemes in Scotland between 1960 and 1968 is as shown below; figures for employment are not available in the form requested; on the question of the per capita cost of development area assistance, I would refer the hon. Member to the Answer I gave to the hon. Member for Dumfries (Mr. Monro) on 22nd January, 1969.—[Vol. 776, c. 114.]

DEVELOPMENT AREA/DISTRICT ASSISTANCE IN SCOTLAND—1960–1968
Financial years 1st April–31st MarchLocal Employment Act Assistance (Sections 2, 3, 4, 5 and 7)SET PremiumR.E.P.Investment Grant
£
1960–613·9m.
1961–6218·5m.
1962–6314·6m.
1963–648·2m.
1964–659·8m.
1965–6612·0m.
1966–6721·7m.
1967–6816·8m.10·6m.12·9‡40·9m.*

Notes:

1. No figures are available of the value of free depreciation and investment allowances available in development districts in Scotland which the Investment Grant replaces.

2. The figure for Investment Grant represents the total cost in the development area and not simply the differential development area element.

* All of Scotland £43·8m.

† Grants on expenditure on ships not included.

‡Payments from October, 1967. Anticipated full year £40m.

Police Recruitment

asked the Secretary of State for Scotland when he will be advising police authorities in Scotland of his decision to terminate the current restrictions on police recruitment; and from what date the restrictions will cease to operate.

I propose to issue a circular to police authorities this week on the relaxation of current restrictions on recruitment: it will be effective immediately.

asked the Secretary of State for Scotland what was the total of net recruitment to Scottish police forces over the most recent 12-month period for which figures are available; and what were the comparable net figures in the previous four 12-month periods, respectively.

Net recruitment in Scottish police forces in each of the years 1964 to 1968 was as follows:

Civilians (Whole Time)
YearPolice OfficersTraffic WardensClericalTechnicalTotal net increase
196849108253212
1967511683943301
1966−1508641307
1965320773320455
1964123268157
In addition the number of police cadets increased by 114 over the 5 years.

Crimes Of Violence

asked the Secretary of State for Scotland what was the total number of crimes of violence made known to the police in the most recent 12-month period for which figures are available; and what were the comparable figures in the previous four 12-month periods, respectively.

The number of crimes of violence made known to the police in Scotland in each of the last five years was as follows:

19642,276
19652,623
19662,929
19673,536
19683,586*
*Provisional

Local Government (Scotland) Act, 1947(Section 201)

asked the Secretary of State for Scotland if he will give an assurance that Section 201 of the Local Government (Scotland) Act, 1947, will not be invoked against the members or officials of any local authority on which he has served a default order and which continues to pay non-registered teachers in its employ after 28th March in fulfilment of contracts of employment between the teachers and the authority.

Local Authorities (Debt Burden)

asked the Secretary of State for Scotland what is the present debt burden of local authorities in Scotland; and what were the comparable totals in 1964, 1965, 1966 and 1967, respectively.

The figures for 1966–67 and previous years are given in Column 12 of Table VIII of the Local Financial Returns (Scotland) for 1966–67, published on 27th September, 1968. Later figures are not available from that source, but a figure for 1967–68 is given on page 106 of Financial Statistics, Volume 81, January 1969, published for the Central Statistical Office.

Local Authorities (Bank Rate)

asked the Secretary of State for Scotland what estimate he has made of the cost to local authorities in Scotland of the further increase in Bank Rate.

The cost to local authorities of any change in interest rates depends on how long the new rate is maintained. They are, however, protected to a large extent from the effect of higher interest rates by the current housing subsidy arrangements and by the provision for redetermining the rate support grants to take account of price variations.

Teachers

asked the Secretary of State for Scotland (1) what was the number of secondary school teachers required by each education authority in Scotland as at December, 1967, and December, 1968; and what was the pupil-teacher ratio;(2) what are the numbers of secondary school teachers required by each local authority in Scotland; what is the present deficit or surplus of qualified or registered secondary school staff; and if he will make a statement.

The numbers of teachers in post in December 1967 and estimates by education authorities of the additional teachers that they required are given on pages 156 and 157 of "Scottish Educational Statistics 1967". More recent figures are not available. Pupil-teacher ratios for January 1968 are given below:

Education AuthorityPupil/Teacher Ratio
Aberdeen City13·5
Dundee15·9
Edinburgh17·0
Glasgow17·7
Aberdeenshire15·0
Angus16·0
Argyll15·4
Ayr17·6
Banff15·1
Berwick13·7
Bute13·2
Caithness16·3
Clackmannan15·8
Dumfries16·4
Dunbarton16·9
East Lothian15·9
Fife15·4
Inverness17·8
Kincardine15·4
Kirkcudbright14·2
Lanark21·2
Midlothian15·6
Moray and Nairn17·3
Orkney15·1
Peebles15·9
Perth and Kinross15·4
Renfrew19·6
Ross and Cromarty15·4
Roxburgh16·3
Selkirk16·3
Stirling16·3
Sutherland12·6
West Lothian16·6
Wigtown15·2
Zetland15·0
All Education Authorities17·1

Note:

The ratios given are of pupils to certificated teachers (including the full-time equivalent of part-time teachers) in secondary schools and departments: supply and relief teachers, visiting teachers and organisers and supervisors are not counted.

asked the Secretary of State for Scotland what was the number of appointments of untrained teachers referred by each local authority to their respective reference panels up to the end of February, and the number disapproved by the panels.

The information is as follows:

Number of References
Education AuthorityTotalWithdrawnApprovedNot ApprovedStill Under Consideration
BURGHS
Aberdeen44
Dundee3121847
Edinburgh18234802741
Glasgow3784323645
COUNTIES
Aberdeen386239
Angus11
Argyll151113
Ayr503515
Banff102224
Berwick22
Bute11
Caithness211
Clackmannan122721
Dumfries286184
Dunbarton44413
East Lothian514
Fife636222015
Inverness12723
Kincardine633
Kirkcudbright11
Lanark213214071
Midlothian431
Moray and Nairn229292
Orkney1111
PeeblesNil
Perth and Kinross95211
Renfrew11057728
Ross and Cromarty172123
Roxburgh945
Selkirk541
Stirling33312
Sutherland22
West Lothian211353
Wigtown321
Zetland10262
Total (Scotland)1,35487885235147

Education And Science

Woolwich Scouts(District Headquarters)

80.

asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science when a decision will be taken on the grant application for a district headquarters for the Woolwich Scouts, details of which were forwarded to his Department in July, 1968.

A decision will be made as soon as the information requested from the Scout Association and the Woolwich District Scout Council is received.

Administration And Research(Departmental Activities)

asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science what proposals are being considered at present for moving sections of the administration or research activities of his Department from the London area to other parts of England or Wales within the next five years, or for establishing new centres of administration or research outside the London area within the next five years.

The transfer to Darlington of 620 posts concerned with teachers' pensions, teachers' salaries and qualifications, and the Department's new computer, will be completed by May, 1970. I have no proposals for the movement of any other work from the London area within the next five years.

Tate Gallery

asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science whether he will now make a further statement on plans for the future of the Tate Gallery.

A great deal of thought is being given to future plans for the Tate but I am not yet in a position to make a statement.

Ministry Of Defence

Baor (Tactical Nuclearweapons)

81.

asked the Secretary of State for Defence what tactical nuclear weapons are in the possession of the British Army of the Rhine; and when the most modern of these was first issued to them.

The British Army of the Rhine has "Honest John" and the 8 inch Howitzer. "Honest John", the more modern equipment, was issued in 1960.

Wheels (Purchases)

asked the Secretary of State for Defence (1) what contracts his Department has at present with Guest Keen and Nettlefolds, Sankey and the Dunlop Company Limited for the manufacture of car and light vehicle wheels;(2) what contracts his Department has at present with Guest Keen and Nettle-folds, Sankey and the Dunlop Company Limited for the manufacture of truck and other heavy vehicle wheels.

Our direct purchases of such wheels from the firms referred to are normally confined to spares requirements and are, consequently, small.It would be contrary to established practice to disclose details of contracts with individual firms.

Service Hospitals (In-Patient Costs)

asked the Secretary of State for Defence why the average weekly in-patient cost in the 15 service hospitals in this country is £85 compared with the equivalent average cost of £60–£70 per week for National Health Service teaching hospitals given in the Ministry of Health costing returns; and what steps he proposes to put the service hospitals on to a comparable cost basis.

The average weekly inpatient costs are higher in the case of Service hospitals for a number of reasons. Because of the high percentage of children and female and elderly patients in National Health Service hospitals food costs are much lower compared with Service hospitals where the majority of patients are young males. Some spare capacity, and staff, must also be kept in hand in Service hospitals to meet possible military contingencies. In addition, the costing of Service hospitals includes the cost of services, such as ambulances, which in the case of N.H.S. hospitals are met separately by local authorities. It is not possible to put Service hospitals on to a comparable basis with N.H.S. hospitals for costing purposes.

asked the Secretary of State for Defence if he will give the total cost in the current year of each of the 20 service hospitals abroad; and if he will take steps to discover the average weekly in-patient costs in each hospital.

I regret that this information is not available. A study is at present being made of the in-patient costs of a representative hospital in certain specific areas overseas: the results of this are likely to be available later this year.

Scientists (Exchanges)

asked the Secretary of State for Defence (1) if he will give a list of scientists employed by his Department who in the past 18 months have participated in exchanges with the universities; and for how long the individual exchanges lasted;(2) if he will give a list of scientists employed by his Department who in the past 18 months have participated in exchanges with industrial firms; and for how long the individual exchanges lasted.

Two scientists have been released to universities in the past 18 months to take up Research Fellowships, one for three years and one for four years, and one has been loaned to a university for a year to carry out research which is of mutual interest to the university and the Ministry of Defence. Two scientists from an electronics firm are working at a Navy Department establishment. Negotiations are in hand for an exchange with an industrial firm to last for a year; and also for the loan of a scientist to a research foundation for about a year to join a team in an overseas medical investigation.

During the period a number of scientific staff have moved from the Department to industry, and vice versa, in the normal course of changing jobs.

As my hon. Friend knows, formal exchanges of this kind represent only a small proportion of links which defence scientists have with industry and the universities. No detailed records are maintained centrally but they include the contacts necessary for the placing and monitoring of extramural research and development contracts, the use by industry and the universities of facilities at the R. and D. establishments, and the numerous opportunities for discussion provided by Open Days.

Formal associations between R. and D. establishments and various universities already exist, and we shall aim to strengthen and extend these. There are also schemes for the employment by establishments of Vacation Consultants and of sandwich course students.

Technician And Apprenticeimprover Training Courses

asked the Secretary of State for Defence if he will make a progress report on the technician and apprentice improver training courses.

To meet the growing requirements for technicians trained both to diagnose and deal with faults in new and complex weapons systems, in 1964 the R.A.F. began special training for technician apprentices. The first batch of these completed training as systems specialists, diagnosticians and servicing co-ordinators in 1967 and are now completing a further two years improver training. They will enter productive service in October, 1969, in the rank of sergeant.

Medical Services

asked the Secretary of State for Defence if he will give the total number of qualified doctors employed full-time by his Department; and what progress has been made in integrating the medical services of the Army, the Royal Navy and the Royal Air Force.

1,756 qualified doctors are currently employed full-time. This number includes 172 retired Service doctors employed as civilian medical practitioners.

As regards the second part of the Question, the possibility of integrating the three medical Services into a single Service has been examined on a number of occasions during the last 25 years. On each occasion the conclusion has been that this is not practicable for a number of reasons. However, Departmental machinery exists for keeping under review, and co-ordinating as appropriate, medical activities common to all three Services. Rationalisation of such activities continues to take place where it can be demonstrated that this leads to greater efficiency and economy. For example, Service hospitals have for some years accepted patients from all three Services, as well as from the National Health Services: medical stores and equipment are supplied by a single central depot for all three Medical Services: and common training arrangements have been made on an inter-Service basis in certain medical trades.

Ordnance Board

asked the Secretary of State for Defence if he will give the five main functions of the Ordnance Board, Kensington, together with the number of staff employed by the Board and the total cost of the Board during the current financial year.

It is not possible to break down the work of the Ordnance Board into five main functions. The Ordnance Board is an Inter-Service advisory organisation working independently but under the overall direction of the Ministry of Defence and Mintech. It is responsible for the technical trials and appraisal of weapons and weapon systems in which explosives are used, with particular reference to their safety and suitability for service under all environmental conditions, including transport, storage, and use in all climates. The Board also advises on questions of safety at ranges used for training.The Board covers all three Services and its work on behalf of the development agencies, including the departments of the Ministry of Defence, Ministry of Technology and other authorities, extends from small arms, and their ammunition, to Polaris missiles.The staff currently employed number 119, including officers from the three Services and the Scientific Civil Service. The estimated cost of the organisation for the current financial year, excluding the cost of the stores and ammunition used in trials, is some £400,000.

Administration And Research(Departmental Offices)

asked the Secretary of State for Defence what proposals are being considered at present for moving sections of the administration or research activities of his Department from the London area to other parts of England or Wales within the next five years, or for establishing new centres of administration or research outside the London area within the next five years.

The planning of dispersals from London to Bath and Cardiff which I announced on 22nd November, 1967, is proceeding, and the removal of the Air Force Department accounts branches to Worcester will soon be completed. No other major dispersal of Ministry of Defence staff from London, or setting up of new centres outside London is at present under consideration.

Technology

Upper Clyde Shipbuilders

82.

asked the Minister of Technology what additional financial help, and in what form, the Shipbuilding Industry Board propose to give to Upper Clyde Shipbuilders; and whether he intends to sanction it.

Discussions between the Shipbuilding Industry Board and individual companies about assistance under the Shipbuilding Industry Act are proceeding all the while and the board seeks my right hon. Friend's approval for loans and grants at the appropriate stage. I do not consider it would be right for me to reveal details of these discussions.

Vehicle Wheels (Contracts)

asked the Minister of Technology (1) what contracts his Department has at present with Guest Keen and Nettlefolds, Sankey and the Dunlop Company Limited for the manufacture of truck and other heavy vehicle wheels;(2) what contracts his Department has at present with Guest Keen and Nettlefolds, Sankey and the Dunlop Company Limited for the manufacture of car and light vehicle wheels.

Hovercraft (Research And Development Expenditure)

asked the Minister of Technology if he will give the total value of the expenditure from public funds on hovercraft research, development and trials in the current financial year; and if he will list the Government or other research establishments at which this work is being carried out, showing the expenditure at each establishment.

In the current financial year total expenditure by the Ministry of Technology on research, development and trials in aid of hovercraft is expected to be £2,250,000.This comprises:

  • (a) Government establishments with separate budgets for hovercraft research and development:
    • National Physical Laboratory—Expenditure 1968–69 £364,000.
    • Royal Aircraft Establishment—Expenditure 1968–69 £45,000.
    • Other establishments assist on particular tasks from time to time.
  • (b) Expenditure under extramural contracts of £1·8 million.
  • The National Research Development Corporation continues to support the development of particular projects under the powers of the Development of Inventions Act.

    Computers (Research Anddevelopment Expenditure)

    asked the Minister of Technology if he will give the total value of expenditure from public funds on computer research, development and trials in the current financial year; and if he will list the Government or other research establishments at which this work is being carried out, showing the expenditure at each establishment.

    Separate figures are not readily available for expenditure on research and development directed towards improved computer equipment and similar expenditure on new applications for computers. The estimates given below for 1968–69 therefore cover both computers and computer applications. With very minor exceptions military work is excluded:

    Ministry of Technology Establishments:
    Royal Aircraft Establishment£109,000
    Royal Radar Establishment£100,000
    National Physical Laboratory£1,005,000
    Warren Spring Laboratory£42,000
    National Engineering Laboratory£240,000
    Atlas Computer Laboratory (Chilton)£50,000
    National Computing Centre (Estimated Grant-in-Aid payable by the Department)£540,000*
    Grants and contracts awarded by the Ministry of Technology, the N.R.D.C. and the S.R.C.£7,133,000†
    The estimated expenditure on computer acceptance trials conducted by the Technical Support Unit is £85,000.

    Notes.

    * Total Estimated Grant-in-Aid, not all of of which is spent on research or development.

    †Includes £4 million research and development grant paid to International Computers Limited under the terms of the Computers Merger Scheme (S.I. 1968 No. 990).

    V/Stol Aircraft Research

    asked the Minister of Technology what is his policy in regard to conveying the results of research and development work on military vertical and short take-off and landing aircraft to firms interested in taking part in the development of civil vertical and short-take-off and landing aircraft.

    Departmental Administrationand Research (Decentralisation)

    asked the Minister of Technology what proposals are being considered at present for moving sections of the administration or research activities of his Department from the London area to other parts of England or Wales within the next five years, or for establishing new centres of administration or research outside the London area within the next five years.

    I plan to move a small block of contracts work to Liverpool this year. Other opportunities for dispersing work are constantly being sought but there are at present no major plans for the period mentioned.

    Ss "Queen Elizabeth 2"

    asked the Minister of Technology what discussions he has had with Upper Clyde shipbuilders regarding the progress made on the "Queen Elizabeth 2"; and if he will make a statement.

    pursuant to his reply, OFFICIAL REPORT, 26th February, 1969. Vol. 778, c. 305, supplied the following information:Sir Arnold Lindley has now completed his assessment of the "Queen Elizabeth 2" turbines the full text of which is as follows:

    In this letter I am reporting to you on the failure of the high pressure turbine rotors of S.S. "Queen Elizabeth 2" together with remedial action which should be taken in accordance with your terms of reference to me dated 10th February, 1969.
    1. I have now examined the reports and data concerning the rotor damage submitted by—
  • (a) John Brown Engineering (Clydebank) Limited
  • (b) National Engineering Laboratory, East Kilbride
  • (c) Lloyds Register of Shipping
  • (d) C. A. Parsons & Co. Limited covering research data concerning blade resonance carried out in their laboratories
  • (e) Board of Trade
  • (f) Other interested parties.
  • 2. I have also examined the damaged blading and have inspected the high pressure steam rotors and steam nozzles, and have had the benefit of several discussions with design engineers concerned with the turbine design.
    3. I have considered the conditions of operation at sea during the various sea trials to date which may have had a bearing on damage to the turbine rotors.
    4. All design information has been made available to me without reservation and I have had the greatest possible assistance from all parties concerned and also from a number of engineers including Dr. Frankel who are experienced in steam turbine manufacture and operation who have given me their opinions freely.
    5. Blading damage occurred on both H.P. rotors. The rotors are identical and each rotor provides 12 stages of steam expansion consisting of a first stage in the form of a double Curtis wheel and thereafter 11 single wheels.
    6. It is wheel 9 of the Starboard rotor which suffered most damage by losing all its blades.
    Some blades of wheel 10 became broken and many others were cracked at the junction between the blade section and the root.
    Wheels 8 and 11 had no cracked or fractured blades.
    7. The Port H.P. rotor blades were also severely damaged. Here again, the blades of wheel 9 showed most damage, some being completely detached while others were cracked at the junction with the root. Many blades of wheels 8, 10 and 11 were cracked but none fractured.
    8. The fact that both H.P. rotors show similar blade damage at the same wheels, although the damage on the Port rotor is less severe, indicates a common design fault.
    9. I wish to report that the cause of blade failure in both rotors is resonant vibration in tangential (clamp pin) mode, caused by excitation from the steam issuing from the preceding steam nozzles. It is a phenomenon well known to steam turbine engineers not only in Britain but also in America and Europe, and in the case of marine turbines which operate under variable speed conditions, this excitation is particularly difficult to avoid.
    10. The blades of wheels 8, 9, 10 and 11 of the S.S. "Queen Elizabeth 2" H.P. rotors as designed had resonances which were not only too close to this excitation frequency under normal expected speed and power conditions but were also of a form which included what are known as stress raisers.
    11. There is an additional possible source of excitation in the form of torsional vibration of the rotor arising from lack of truth of the main flexible coupling from the turbine to the reduction gears. This may have given rise to a tangential mode of additional vibration but I consider this to be of secondary importance and is in no way connected to the failure of the blades.
    12. The details of blade failures and the condition of the rotors are described fully in the John Brown Engineering (Clydebank) Limited Interim Report dated 27th January, 1969. The cause of all blade failures of the H.P. rotors has been the subject of deep study by the engineers of The Cunard Steam-Ship Co. Limited, Upper Clyde Shipbuilders Limited, John Brown Engineering (Clydebank) Limited, Lloyds Register of Shipping, National Engineering Laboratory-East Kilbride, and a number of independent consultants with whom I have had discussions. We are all agreed that blade failures were caused by resonance as described in item No. 9.
    13. It should be made clear that there is no reflection whatever on the quality of workmanship or of material used in any part of the construction of the H.P. turbines.
    14. The remedial measures necessary to restore the rotors to full operational condition, and also to remove the possibility of further blade trouble, will require blades of modified form not only for wheels 8–11 but also for wheels 7 and 12. These measures are listed below.
  • (a) The blade form should be changed to "rhubarb" section which provides considerable improvement in strength at the junction between blade and blade root.
  • (b) To reduce blade stresses it is necessary to increase the section of blade material at the root junction which is known as root re-inforcement. This should be carried along the blade to a point 1·1 inches along the blade length where it would resume the original blade section.
  • (c) Lacing or binding wires must be provided at the mid-point of the blade length. The lacing wire should correspond in length to the present group arrangement of blades. The introduction of the wire inhibits the mode of vibration described in item no. 9 and changes the response to a frequency outside the operating range.
  • (d) All blading on wheels 2–6 need to be replaced with blades of the original design but with the fillets at the junction of the blade with its root removed to eliminate the stress concentration.
  • 15. The remedial measures referred to in item no. 14 are substantially those contained in section 3 of the John Brown Engineering (Clydebank) Limited Interim Report dated 27th January, 1969. I fully endorse these proposals and they are also agreed by all those who have taken part in this investigation either directly or with whom I have had consultation including Dr. Frankel.
    16. In accordance with item (f) of my terms of reference, I would like it to be considered whether there is any advantage to be gained in widening the gap between the new blade resonant frequency and the excitation frequency from the steam nozzles of stages 7, 8 and 9 by reducing the number of nozzle openings. There may be disadvantages in other directions involved in this modification. Time is required for investigation and should it be finally agreed that this modification is worthwhile, it could be carried out at a future date. Perhaps during the first overhaul.
    17. Item (e) of my terms of reference enquires whether further sea trials should now take place. In my view the remedial measures are adequate and when complete, trials can be resumed with every confidence. Repairs to the turbines are well advanced and a tentative programme has been drawn up by The Cunard Steam-Ship Co. Limited, Upper Clyde Shipbuilders Limited, John Brown Engineering (Clydebank) Limited, Lloyds Register of Shipping and the Board of Trade for re-commissioning R.M.S. "Queen Elizabeth 2". Briefly, this programme is as follows—
    It is expected that:
    • Re-assembly of turbines in ship will be completed by 21st March.
    • Over-speed tests, Basin trials and Inspection by end March.
    • Departure for proving voyage by early April.
    Subject to the foregoing the ship's trials will be completed and the ship ready for handing over during the second half of April.
    18. This programme must be considered in the light of the ship having already undergone many trial runs, including satisfactory operation at maximum power. There are other functional trials yet to be carried out in which the turbines may not be directly involved. It is expected that anything which might arise can be taken care of during normal operation without affecting commercial commitments.
    19. It was thought during the preliminary trials that expansion of the various steam pipes might have created unacceptable thrust on the turbine casings. Modifications have been made concerning this and it is intended to check this point to ensure that the high pressure turbines are not adversely affected.
    20. In putting this report together I have been assisted by a number of supplementary reports produced by various parties which are enumerated as follows:
    • John Brown Engineering (Clydebank) Limited Interim Report dated 27th January, 1969.
    • National Engineering Laboratory Memo X/Supt/I dated January, 1969.
    • National Engineering Laboratory Report Z2/14/6024/29 dated February, 1969.
    • Lloyds Register of Shipping R. & T.A. 8255 dated 5th February, 1969.
    • Lloyds Register of Shipping R. & T.A. 2716 dated 14th February, 1969.
    • Lloyds Register of Shipping R. & T.A. 2745 dated 21st February, 1969.
    • C. A. Parsons & Co. Limited Report dated 18th February, 1969.
    • Miscellaneous memoranda, letters, etc., from various parties.
    21. I have not referred to the double stage Curtis wheel at the steam inlet end of the HP turbines. The design at this stage is such that there may be advantage in changing the nozzle control. This has been discussed and is a subject for further investigation.
    22. The HP turbines with modifications as recommended should put them into the condition of giving service as would be normally expected for this class of machinery. They have the advantage of having already had trial runs which have brought out points that needed modification. To this extent there should be every confidence in their performance within the guarantees normally given by manufacturers.
    Although there is a wealth of experience in the manufacture and use of steam turbines, they are not built in mass production, as for instance in the case of aircraft engines. Steam turbines are built to a specification often on a once-off basis or in pairs. It is for this reason that trouble arises from time to time as there has been little opportunity for development. I must say with emphasis that in high power marine steam turbine drives, more work should be done in turbine development and instrumentation under running conditions so that reliable running without risk of breakdown can be achieved. This, of course, is a matter of cost of development.
    23. I hold myself at your disposal for any further information you may require.

    Yours sincerely,

    ARNOLD LINDLEY.

    Economic Affairs

    Administration And Research (Departmental Offices)

    asked the Secretary of State for Economic Affairs what proposals are being considered at present for moving sections of administration or research activities of his Department from the London area to other parts of England or Wales within the next five years, or for establishing new centres of administration or research outside the London area within the next five years.

    None. Nearly a fifth of D.E.A. staff already work outside the London area.

    Agriculture, Fisheriesand Food

    Fishmeal

    asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food what was the annual production by value and weight of fishmeal in the United Kingdom in each of the past five years to the nearest convenient date.

    The production of fishmeal of feeding quality, including herring meal, in the calendar years 1964 to 1968 inclusive, to the nearest 1,000 tons in each year, was as follows:—

    Tons
    196478,000
    196585,000
    196686,000
    196780,000
    196887,000
    This Department does not collect statistics giving the value of this production; nor are statistics available to show the quantity or value of the very small proportion of fishmeal produced that is not of feeding quality and is used in the production of fertilisers.

    Royal Botanic Gardens, Kew

    asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food if he will estimate the additional net revenue to be obtained by raising the cost of entry to the Royal Botanic Gardens, Kew, from 3d. to 2s. 6d. for adults and 1s. for children under 15 years of age, and raising season tickets to £1 for adults and 10s. for children.

    On current levels of admission the additional net revenue would be in the region of £108,000 a year. Increased admission charges on the scale mentioned by the hon. Member might, however, result in a substantial reduction in the number of visitors to Kew.

    asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food if he will give the number of total staff currently employed at the Royal Botanic Gardens, Kew, showing separately qualified scientists and engineers, clerical staff, gardeners and others, giving the current cost of the annual salaries of each group.

    The figures are:

    Number of StaffCurrent annual cost of salaries and wages
    £'000
    Qualified Scientists and Engineers35104
    Gardeners206218
    Office Staffs6477
    Others126182
    Total431

    National Finance

    Investment Grants, Import Leviesand Selective Employment Tax

    asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer what is the total amount of money in investment grants, import levies, and selective employment tax refunds now due to be repaid to private industry.

    In the case of investment grants it is expected that in the current year payments of £433 million will be made to private industry in respect of expenditure incurred prior to 31st March, 1968. Import deposits of £173 million had been received up to 31st January. It is estimated that the amount of selective employment tax now due to be refunded is roughly £155 million.

    Currency (Counterfeiting)

    asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer what international treaty subscribed to by the United Kingdom proscribes counterfeiting of coins; and if he will publish in the OFFICIAL REPORT that part of the treaty which provides a definition of legal tender.

    The International Convention for the Suppression of Counterfeiting Currency, 1929, relates to the prevention and punishment of the offence of counterfeiting currency (Treaty Series No. 5 (1960); (Cmnd. 932)."Currency" is defined in Part I Article 2 of the Treaty as

    "paper money … and metallic money, the circulation of which is legally authorised."

    Gross National Product

    asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer what proportion of the gross national product is on average contributed by nationalised industries, direct Government activity, public limited liability companies and close companies, partnerships and sole traders, respectively.

    I would refer the hon. Member to Table 13 of the Blue Book "National Income and Expenditure 1968" which gives an analysis of gross national product by sector year by year from 1957 onwards. For 1967, the latest year available, the approximate distribution is public corporations (including nationalised industries) 10 per cent., central and local government 16 per cent., companies 57 per cent., and personal sector (including partnerships and sole traders) 17 per cent. Separate figures for public limited liability companies and close companies are not available.

    Local Government

    Employees (Car Allowances)

    asked the Minister of Housing and Local Government what is the total amount paid annually by local authorities to employees in the form of car allowances.

    Administration And Research (Departmental Offices)

    asked the Minister of Housing and Local Government what proposals are being considered at present for moving sections of the administration or research activities of his Department from the London area to other parts of England or Wales within the next five years, or for establishing new centres of administration or research outside the London area within the next five years.

    The possibility of moving parts of the Department away from London is reviewed from time to time. There are no specific proposals at present.

    Overseas Department

    Administration And Research(Offices)

    asked the Minister of Overseas Development what proposals are being considered at present for moving sections of the administration or research activities of his Department from the London area to other parts of England or Wales within the next five years, or for establishing new centres of administration or research outside the London area within the next five years.

    The possibility of the movement from the London area of any part of the work of my Ministry is kept under review. I have no announcement to make at present.

    Telephone Service

    Installations (Cost)

    asked the Postmaster-General whether he will publish details of the basic work which results in a cost on average of £150 to provide a telephone for the use of an individual customer.

    The basic requirements for exchange line service are the telephone apparatus and wiring at the customer's premises, wires and cables from there to the telephone exchange, and the terminal equipment at the telephone exchange. The exchange equipment and cabling to distribution points are provided in advance. When service is required, wiring from these points to and within the customer's premises is needed to connect the telephone, and the necessary connections have to be made at the exchange.

    Post Office

    Ross-Smith Commemorative Stamp

    asked the Postmaster-General if he is aware that the Ross-Smith Commemorative Stamp showing that the flight from England to Australia was by way of Arabia is inaccurate; and if he will issue a corrected version of the Stamp depicting the correct route north of the Persian Gulf through Persia.

    The globe shown on the stamp is inevitably very small in scale, and in these circumstances some artistic licence was taken in order to portray effectively the curve in the route followed from Basra to Delhi. Reprinting is not necessary.

    Administration And Research (Departmental Offices)

    asked the Postmaster-General what proposals are being considered at present for moving sections of the administration or research activities of his Department from the London area to other parts of England or Wales within the next five years, or for establishing new centres of administration or research outside the London area within the next five years.

    The moves foreseen and approximate numbers of jobs involved are:

    To Martlesham, Suffolk.2,000(Research Department).
    To Colchester600(Eastern Regional Directorates).
    To Swindon500(Supplies Department Headquarters).
    To Durham400(Department of National Savings).
    To Chesterfield150(Postal Finance Department).
    Various smaller moves and new establishments.250
    3,900

    Ministry Of Power

    Cottam And Ratcliffe Power Stations

    asked the Minister of Power what is the latest estimate of the cost per kilowatt of the Cottam and Ratcliffe coal-fired power stations.

    The C.E.G.B.'s latest estimates are £46 and £42 per kilowatt respectively, excluding interest during construction.

    asked the Minister of Power whether, in view of the continued supply of suitable coal at low cost, he is satisfied that the estimate quoted in Command Paper No. 3438 for Cottam Power Station of 0·53 pence per kilowatt hour is still appropriate for the purpose of comparing costs of electricity generation; what is the up-to-date figure; and what further reduction he estimates would be achieved by the doubling up of an existing coal-fired station.

    The C.E.G.B.'s latest estimate of the base load generating cost for Cottam is 0·60d. per unit. I can give no general estimate of the saving from doubling up an existing coal-fired station as this would depend on the particular circumstances.

    Departmental Administration And Research (Decentralisation)

    asked the Minister of Power what proposals are being considered at present for moving sections of the administration or research activities of his Department from the London area to other parts of England or Wales within the next five years, or for establishing new centres of administration or research outside the London area within the next five years.

    The Gas Standards Branch is being moved from London to Leicester this month. Of the Ministry's total staff of 1,780,854 will then be outside the London area. No further moves are contemplated at present, but the scope for further decentralisation is kept under review.

    Electricity

    Gas-Cooled Reactor Stations

    asked the Minister of Power if he is satisfied that the Central Electricity Generating Board has ensured that advanced gas-cooled reaction stations possess adequate flexibility in accordance with paragraph 140 of its Report and Accounts for 1967–68; how modern stations using traditional fuels compare with advanced gas-cooled reactor stations in ensuring flexibility; and if he will make a statement.

    Work continues to ensure that each AGR station will have appropriate flexibility in responding to fluctuations in load. The flexibility requirements of these and conventional stations are not the same, but in both cases the Central Electricity Generating Board is taking steps to ensure that they will be met.

    Demand

    asked the Minister of Power what has been the maximum potential simultaneous demand on the Central Electricity Generating Board system this winter.

    The Central Electricity Generating Board tells me that the maximum demand on its system this winter has been 37,735 megawatts. It was met in full.

    Public Building And Works

    Mann Committee (Documents)

    83.

    asked the Minister of Public Building and Works whether he will list the persons or organisations outside the Civil Service who have been consulted about the recommendations, or who have seen the contents of the second and third reports, of the Mann Committee.

    No one apart from those representing the staff of my Ministry, who were shown the documents in confidence.

    Administration And Research (Departmental Offices)

    asked the Minister of Public Building and Works what proposals are being considered at present for moving sections of the administration or research activities of his Department from the London area to other parts of England or Wales within the next five years, or for establishing new centres of administration or research outside the London area within the next five years.

    House Of Commons

    Firearms

    asked the Lord President of the Council what steps were taken to prevent firearms being brought into the Commons part of the Palace of Westminster on 25th February; and how many were attempted to be brought in.

    I have no reason to believe that the rules regarding the carrying of firearms in the precincts were not observed.

    Board Of Trade

    Monopolies And Mergers

    asked the President of the Board of Trade if he will list in the OFFICIAL REPORT the orders made under Section 10 of the Monopolies and Restrictive Practices (Inquiries and Control) Act, 1948, and under Section 3 of the Monopolies and Mergers Act, 1965.

    The following orders have been made under Section 10 of the Monopolies and Restrictive Practices (Inquiry and Control) Act, 1948, and under Section 3 of the Monopolies and Mergers Act, 1965:The Monopolies and Restrictive Practices (Dental Goods) Order 1951.The Monopolies and Restrictive Practices (Imported Hardwood and Softwood Timber) Order, 1960.The Restriction of Merger (No. 1) Order 1966 and the Restriction of Merger (No. 2) Order.The Solus Petrol Order 1966, The Solus Petrol (Amendment) Order 1966 and The Solus Petrol (No. 2) Order 1966.In many other cases, the findings of the Commission have been implemented by means of voluntary undertakings by the parties concerned.

    asked the President of the Board of Trade what is the total number of reports received as a result of the Monopolies and Restrictive Practices (Inquiries and Control) Act, 1948, and the Monopolies and Mergers Act, 1965.

    Departmental Administration Andresearch (Decentralisation)

    asked the President of the Board of Trade what plans are being considered at present for moving sections of the administration or research activities of his Department from the London area to other parts of England or Wales within the next five years, or for establishing new centres of administration or research outside the London area within the next five years.

    At present, my Department has in progress the transfer of the Business Statistics Office to Newport, Monmouthshire, which I announced on 5th April last year. The possibility of undertaking further Board of Trade work outside London is kept under constant review, but I have no plans to announce at present.—[Vol. 762, c. 161.]

    Industrial Development Certificates(Wales)

    asked the President of the Board of Trade how many industrial development certificates have been granted in Wales in each year from 1960 to 1968; for how many square feet; and what is the estimated additional employment.

    The information asked for is given in the following table:

    INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT CERTIFICATES GRANTED IN WALES
    Estimated Additional Employment*(thousands)
    NumberArea ('000 sq.ft.)MalesTotal
    19601665,73213·016·7
    19611192,4993·15·9
    1962862,0553·04·5
    1963861,6242·44·1
    19641123,1983·56·1
    19651354,4914·98·1
    19662049,25817·223·1
    19672235,6638·011·9
    19682778,82111·518·2
    *Employment expected to arise when projects are fully manned as estimated by the applicants for the certificates at time of application.

    Local Employment Acts (Payments)

    asked the President of the Board of Trade what is the amount per head spent in promoting local employment in Wales; and how this figure compares with the corresponding figure for England.

    Payments under the Local Employment Acts per head of insured population in the development areas totalled £48 in Wales and £49 in England.

    Shipping

    Cunard Company (Loan)

    asked the President of the Board of Trade what were the conditions of the loan to the Cunard Company of £17·6 million for which arrangements were made under the provisions of the Shipbuilding Act, 1964; and what was the date; on which these arrangements were finally agreed.

    In accordance with the normal procedures which applied to loans made under this Act, the money would have been advanced on delivery of the ship; interest was set at 4½ per cent. and the capital would have been repayable over 10 years. The offer was accepted by the company on 18th October, 1963.

    Aviation

    Third London Airport (Sites Short List)

    asked the President of the Board of Trade if he will make a statement on the Roskill Commission's short list of sites for the third London Airport.

    The Commission's short list will be made public tomorrow, 4th March. I shall place in the library of the House a copy of the hon. Mr. Justice Roskill's letter to my right hon. Friend giving the names of the short listed sites. The Commission will now move to Stage II of its procedure (see OFFICIAL REPORT for 20th May, 1968, columns 39–40) under which public local hearings will be held into each of the sites so that views on the local implications can be made known to the Commission. It is expected that the first local hearing will be held in about two months' time.

    Wales

    Rhondda (Grants)

    asked the Secretary of State for Wales if he will give the annual sums of money spent on improvement grants in the Borough of Rhondda from 1960 to 1968.

    The figures for 1960–67 were given to my hon. Friend in reply to his Question of 13th March, 1968. The sum spent on improvement grants in the Borough of Rhondda in 1968 was £65,753.—[Vol. 760, c. 340.]

    asked the Secretary of State for Wales what was the total amount in the way of Exchequer grant paid to Rhondda Borough Council under the Rating Act, 1966, in rate rebates; and how this compares with that under the Rating (Interim Relief) Act, 1964.

    Exchequer grant totalling £15,169 was paid to Rhondda Borough Council in respect of rate rebates allowed in 1966–67; £14,850 has so far been paid for 1967–68 and £15,185 for 1968–69. No grant was paid under the 1964 Act for individual relief.

    Angling

    asked the Secretary of State for Wales what progress has been made on the discussions begun in the summer of 1967 with the Association of River Authorities and representative fishing bodies, including Welsh angling interests, on the possibilities of making fishing more available to people in Wales.

    I have been asked to reply.The Association of River Authorities is now examining proposals put to it by my Department to facilitate the purchase of fisheries. Since the initial discussions, grant under the Physical Training and Recreation Act, 1937, has been offered by the Department of Education and Science to a number of Welsh fishing clubs for this purpose.