Written Answers To Questions
Wednesday, 22nd October, 1969
Agriculture, Fisheries And Food
White Fish (Minimum Prices Scheme)
1.
asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food if he will make a statement on the White Fish Authority's proposals for a statutory minimum prices scheme for white fish.
My right hon. Friends and I are considering the scheme for Scotland and Northern Ireland which the Authority have submitted together with the objections which they received to their proposals.
Fishing Industry (Committee's Recommendations)
2.
asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food if he will make a statement on the effect on the fishing industry of the implementation of the Holland-Martin Commission's proposals.
The consultations on the Committee's recommendations which my right hon. Friend the President of the Board of Trade initiated with the industry are still in progress, and a statement would be premature.
Commonwealth Sugar Agreement
4.
asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food if he will make a statement on the future of the Commonwealth Sugar Agreement.
A triennial review of the Commonwealth Sugar Agreement is due in 1971, but I cannot forecast what changes, if any, might be made as a result.
Canned And Powdered Soups
5.
asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food if he will ask the Food Standards Committee to prepare a nutritionally satisfactory standard for canned and powdered soups.
The Food Standards Committee has looked into this possibility. Its report is at present under consideration, together with the comments of interested organisations.
Animal Husbandry (Antibiotics)
6.
asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food if he will now introduce regulations to control the use of antibiotics in intensive rearing of poultry and farm animals.
The use of antibiotics in animal husbandry and veterinary medicine has been under consideration by the Committee, under the chairmanship of Professor Michael Swann, which was announced in reply to my hon. Friends the members for Wood Green (Mrs. Joyce Butler) and Wandsworth, Central (Dr. David Kerr) on 15th May last year. My right hon. Friends and I have now received the Committee's Report and I am glad of this opportunity to affirm our thanks to Professor Swann and his colleagues for discharging their difficult task so carefully and so expeditiously. We are studying the Committee's recommendations and the Report will be published as soon as possible.—[Vol. 764, c. 1213–14.]
Sheep
7.
asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food in view of the continuing and increasing decline in the number of the national sheep flock, what steps he is taking to ensure that imports this year will not exceed last year's 59 per cent. of the total supply.
We were expecting some reduction in the sheep flock because the incentives given in recent years will take time to work through and the severe winter has accentuated the fall in some areas. This will inevitably mean that home production meets a smaller proportion of our requirements this year. We shall be looking at this thoroughly at the Annual Review.
Imported Fish Fillets (Levy)
asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food whether he will make a statement on the progress of negotiations with the European Free Trade Association on the levy on imported fish fillets.
In November last the Government re-imposed on frozen fish fillets from E.F.T.A. countries the 10 per cent. import duty, not a special levy. This was done in conformity with a ten-year agreement made in 1959. Discussions on the régime to operate after the end of this year are currently taking place, but I am not yet in a position to report their outcome.
Undeveloped Land, Berkshire (Weeds)
10.
asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food whether he will make an Order under the Weeds Act, 1959, in respect of undeveloped land between Malvern Way and the Bath Road at Twyford, Berkshire.
No. The weeds do not present a serious threat to agricultural land.
White Fish Authority (Levy)
11.
asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food if he has received from the Federation of British Port Wholesale Fish Merchants Association their letter of protest against the White Fish Authority's proposal to seek approval for an increase in its general levy; and if he will state his plans and the answer he has sent.
The Federation's objection was among those transmitted to us by the Authority along with the General Levy Regulations which they made on 23rd September, 1969. All will be fully considered before my right hon. Friends decide whether to confirm the Regulations. Officials will be meeting the objectors in England and Wales on Wednesday, 29th October as part of the process of consideration.
European Economic Community
16.
asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food, in view of recent developments in the European Economic Community, which is the latest estimated addition to the nation's food bill as a result of Great Britain joining the European Economic Community.
17.
asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food what is the estimated effect on consumer retail food prices as a result of Great Britain signing the Treaty of Rome, in view of recent developments in the European Economic Community.
38.
asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food when he now expects to be able to give an estimate of the total amount payable to the Guidance and Guarantee Fund of the European Economic Community from levies on imported foodstuffs as a result of the United Kingdom joining the Community under present conditions.
I have nothing to add to the replies given by my right hon. Friend the Prime Minister to supplementary questions by the right hon. Member for Bexley (Mr. Heath) and the right hon. Member for Devon, North (Mr. Thorpe) following a question by my hon. Friend the Member for Croydon, South (Mr. Winnick) on 16th October.—[Vol. 788, c. 601–5.]
Upland Areas (Hill Farming And Forestry)
20.
asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food what action he is taking to assist the harmonisation of hill farming and forestry interests in upland areas; and if he will make a statement.
I do not believe that there is any essential conflict between farming and forestry in hill areas; but the study of the best balance between them will be one of the functions of the Rural Development Boards which we are setting up in certain hill areas.
Intensive Husbandry (Codes Of Practice)
22.
asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food what steps he proposes taking to improve the codes of practice prepared by his Department in connection with the rearing and keeping of food animals under intensive husbandry systems.
I would refer my hon. Friend to my speech in the debate on these codes on 20th October.
Condemned Meat (Sterilisation)
39.
asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food whether he is satisfied with the proposed arrangements for sterilising condemned meat; and if he will make a statement.
Yes. Condemned meat must, in general, be either sterilised on the spot or sent in a closed, locked and labelled vehicle or container for sterilisation.
Agricultural Land (Flooding By Sea Water)
asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food how much agricultural land was flooded as a result of the high tide of 29th September; what advice he is giving to farmers whose land was flooded with salt water; and whether he will make a statement.
The area of agricultural land flooded by the exceptional tide of 29th September was of the order of 2–3,000 acres, mostly along Humberside. All farmers known to be affected have been recommended to defer cultivations until the soil has been tested for salt content; further advice will be based on the test results.
Salmon
asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food what proposals he has now had from the Danish Government on the possibility of acceptance by Denmark of some restrictions on their fishings for salmon in the North Atlantic; and if he will make a statement.
None. I have nothing to add to the reply to the Question from the hon. Member for Moray and Nairn (Mr. Gordon Campbell) on 16th October.
Welfare Of Livestock (Codes Of Practice)
asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food how many representations he has received against the proposed codes for the welfare of livestock.
I have received from animal welfare societies and members of the public some 340 representa- tions criticising the codes in whole or in part.
Norwegian Minister Of Fisheries (Visit)
asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food what communications he has had from the Norwegian Minister of Fisheries since the three-day official visit of the Minister to Great Britain last spring relating to increased trade, industry and communications between Norway and Scotland.
None. As my hon. and learned Friend was informed on 25th June, there were no official discussions during this visit by the Norwegian Minister of Fisheries, the object of which was to see activities of interest to him in the United Kingdom.
Fisheries (Deep-Sea Oceanography)
asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food if he will now make a further statement on his investigations into the effect of deep-sea oceanography on the lives, increase, decrease and health of the fish in the North Sea fishing grounds and those further North.
Oceanographic research does not have any significant effect on the fish populations in the North Sea and other fishing grounds.
Cyclamates
asked the Minister of Agriculture Fisheries and Food if he will now require particulars of the acceptable daily intake to be shown on all food products containing cyclamates.
asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food what steps he is taking to prevent increases in the import of food containing cyclamates following its banning in the United States.
I am reviewing urgently all aspects of the use of cyclamates, including labelling, and expect to make an announcement later this week.
asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food whether in view of new developments in connection with the possible toxicity of cyclamates he will take legal liability for the current official advice given by his Department that cyclamates do not involve any danger to human health or life if consumed in moderate quantities.
The question of legal liability for any advice given by my Department is a matter for the courts to decide.
Mid-Wales (Rural Development Board)
56.
asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food what percentage of farmers in the area of Mid-Wales now designated to be a Rural Development Board Area have notified him that they are opposed to the setting-up of the Board; and whether he will make a statement.
I have been asked to reply.Very few farmers have written to my right hon. Friend and me directly but we have of course taken note of the views conveyed to us by the Inspector who conducted the public inquiry. We are also aware of the opposition that has been expressed more recently on behalf of some farmers in the area though we have also seen favourable expressions of opinion on behalf of others. There will be full opportunity for discussion in the House when the Draft Order is laid.
Warehouses, Hull (Flooding)
asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food if he will state the number of river front warehouses, within the Hull City boundary, which are not flood-proof and contributed to the flooding on 29th September; and what action his Department is taking to get these defective warehouses made flood-proof to prevent further flooding.
I am informed by the Hull Corporation that with one exception, relating to a 20 ft. length of wall with which it is dealing, all warehouses on the river front within the city boundary conform with the requirements of the Hull City Act 1925. As I said on 15th October, any raising of the statutory levels of protection is a matter for the corporation to consider in the first instance, in consultation with the Yorkshire Ouse and Hull River Authority.
I shall be replying in detail to correspondence my right hon. Friend has received from my hon. and gallant Friend on this subject when I have completed inquiries.
Eggs, Meat And Poultry (Intensive Production)
asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food whether he will take steps to introduce a system of labelling eggs, meat and poultry produced under intensive methods so that members of the public who are opposed to such methods may choose alternative foodstuffs.
No. I do not consider that there would be any advantage to the consumer in labelling foods according to their system of production.
Civil Service
Non-Industrial Civil Servants
asked the Minister for the Civil Service what increase there has been since October, 1964, in the number of established non-industrial civil servants, excluding staff of the Post Office.
35,000.
Civil Service College
asked the Minister for the Civil Service whether a decision has yet been reached on whether to site the Civil Service College or any of its branches in Scotland.
I would refer the hon. Lady to the Answer which my right hon. Friend the then Paymaster-General gave to my hon. Friend the Member for Billericay (Mr. Moonman) on 21st July. —[Vol. 787, c. 1207–8.]
Department Of Economic Affairs
asked the Minister for the Civil Service what was the total cost of establishing, maintaining and staffing the Department of Economic Affairs up till the time it was abolished as a Ministry or up till the most recent date for which figures are available; how many persons were employed by it; and how the staff will be redeployed.
The total cost of establishing, maintaining and staffing the Department of Economic Affairs from October, 1964, to September, 1969, was about £6·75 million. Its staff numbered 102 in October 1964, rose rapidly to 416 by April, 1965, thence to a peak of 593 in January, 1968, fell to 554 in May, 1968, and remained at around this figure until October, 1969.As regards the reallocation of the staff, I would refer the hon. Member to the Answer given today by my right hon. Friend, the Prime Minister to a similar Question by the hon. Member for Hamilton (Mrs. Ewing).
Part-Time Public Servants (Retirement Pensions)
asked the Minister for the Civil Service what steps he takes to draw the attention of those who accept part-time public service to their rights to make provision for their retirement under the Finance Act 1956.
Those appointed to part-time unpensionable posts can normally be relied upon to decide for themselves how best to provide for their old age. However, the attention of departments is being drawn to the hon. Member's point.
asked the Minister for the Civil Service what consideration he is giving to making pension provision for part-time members of the boards of nationalised industries and others in similar part-time service.
The Government are not currently considering any changes in the present practice of treating part-time appointments as non-pensionable. The attention of the relevant Departments is being drawn to the hon. Member's point.
Ministry Of Defence
Clerical Grades (Unified Control)
asked the Secretary of State for Defence whether it is his intention to bring the management of clerical grades in his Department under unified control.
Yes.
United States Aircraft, Mildenhall (Unauthorised Take-Off)
asked the Secretary of State for Defence if he has now completed his review of the circumstances that led to the unauthorised take-off of an American aircraft from Mildenhall Air Force Base, and if he is satisfied that all possible steps have been taken to prevent a further incident of this kind; and if he will make a statement.
I have now had from the United States Air Force authorities a detailed account of this unfortunate incident. We have been taken very fully into their confidence on the conclusions they have reached and the measures they have now taken to reinforce existing procedures for the safeguarding of aircraft. It is clear from the facts given us that the incident was the outcome of highly exceptional circumstances. The American authorities have taken it, nevertheless, as the occasion for a detailed review and overhaul of their security procedures. These procedures remain the responsibility of the United States Air Force; but I am well satisfied with the evident care which they have taken to examine the circumstances of the incident and to draw appropriate conclusions from it.
Chatham Dockyard
asked the Secretary of State for Defence why it has now been decided that following the reductions in the overall numbers employed in Chatham Dockyard as announced in the Defence Estimates 1969 there is to be a further reduction; and if he will estimate how many further jobs are involved.
The Statement on the Defence Estimates 1969 announced a total reduction of some 5,000 members of the labour force of the three Southern Dockyards by the mid-1970s. No further decision to reduce dockyard numbers has been made nor do we foresee taking such a decision.Indeed in Chatham Dockyard as the hon. Member knows we have for some time been engaged on a vigorous recruiting campaign to preserve and improve the balance of trades in the Yard. The recent increase in industrial wages should help significantly in this respect.
What we now need is a period of stability and confidence for the future which I hope the hon. Member will do his best to promote.
asked the Secretary of State for Defence what rôle it is intended that Chatham shall play in the overall dockyard organisation.
As has been made clear on many occasions Chatham Dockyard will be the main Yard for the support of nuclear Fleet submarines: it will also have other important tasks including the refitting of frigates and other conventional vessels.
asked the Secretary of State for Defence how many men in Chatham Dockyard will be permanently required for the repair and refit of nuclear submarines; and how many will be permanently required for carrying out its other functions.
The numbers of men to be employed at Chatham Dockyard on nuclear submarines as compared with other ships or work will vary widely according to the stage of the refit and the balance of trades needed.
Territorial Army Volunteer Reserve
asked the Secretary of State for Defence why Territorial Army Volunteer Reserve units equipped with 81 millimetre mortars are issued with 3-inch mortar ammunition.
3-inch mortar ammunition can be fired from the 81 millimetre mortar and provides good training value. Existing stocks of 3-inch are therefore being issued to both the Regular Army and the TAVR. When these are used up 81 millimetre will become the normal issue.
asked the Secretary of State for Defence what restrictions are placed on the issue of sights to Territorial Army Volunteer Reserve units equipped with 81 millimetre mortars.
Further quantities of the Sight Unit C2 are now on order for the Regular Army and T.A.V.R., both of whom have some already. When these are delivered, the requirements of both will be satisfied.
asked the Secretary of State for Defence why Territorial Army Volunteer Reserve units are issued with ammunition boots instead of D.M.S. boots.
Ammunition boots were issued to the Territorial Army and so members of the T.A.V.R. who were in the T.A. may well still be wearing them. But T.A.V.R. units are now normally issued with D.M.S. boots unless the sizes required are not available from stocks of that pattern. In that case ammunition boots may be issued instead.
asked the Secretary of State for Defence why Territorial Army Volunteer Reserve units are issued with 1937 pattern webbing.
There are still substantial stocks of 1937 pattern webbing in good condition and these are therefore still being used by the T.A.V.R. and much of the Regular Army.
asked the Secretary of State for Defence what mileage allowance is currently made to Territorial Army Volunteer Reserve personnel in respect of the use of private transport for official purposes.
For travel by private vehicle on authorised duty journeys, members of the T. & A.V.R. may be paid mileage allowance at the same rates as apply to members of the Regular Army. The rates are 9d. a mile for the first 7,000 miles in a year, and 5½d. a mile thereafter for a normal motor car. For very small cars, motor cycles etc. there are lower rates. An additional ½d. a mile is paid for each official passenger carried.In cases where there is no official requirement for a member to use his own car for a journey, or the journey could be made by public transport, a lower rate of 3¾d. a mile—or 2½d. a mile for the smaller vehicles—is payable. Where passengers are carried in these circumstances, an additional 1d. a mile is payable for each passenger.
asked the Secretary of State for Defence whether he is satisfied that the petrol allocation to Territorial Army Volunteer Reserve units is adequate; and if he will make a statement.
Yes, I am satisfied.
asked the Secretary of State for Defence what expenditure there has been, in the current financial year, on publicity for the Territorial Army Volunteer Reserve.
£28,000 has so far been allotted for local publicity to the Territorial, Auxiliary and Volunteer Reserve Associations and to the various Central Volunteer Headquarters. There has not yet been any expenditure on national publicity.
asked the Secretary of State for Defence whether he will now arrange for payments to Territorial Army Volunteer Reserve other ranks to be made into bank accounts.
The reorganisation of arrangements for paying TAVR soldiers is nearly complete and the majority are now paid by Giro Order. By the end of the year all TAVR soldiers will be paid by this method. A check will be made thereafter to establish whether there is a demand for payments to be made into a bank account.
asked the Secretary of State for Defence why Territorial Army Volunteer Reserve units have been issued with A510 wireless telegraphy sets in place of 62 sets.
There were insufficient stocks of the A13 to re-equip TAVR units with this set in place of the now obsolescent 62 set. They have therefore been issued with the A510 until stocks of the A13 set become available.
Raf Houses, Heywood
asked the Secretary of State for Defence if he will take action to make available the former Royal Air Force houses in Worthington Avenue, Heywood, which have been empty for up to two years.
The houses were declared surplus in September, 1968, when they were provisionally offered to Heywood Corporation. The Corporation having rejected them, they are about to be offered for sale by public tender.
Surplus Houses (Disposal)
asked the Secretary of State for Defence if he will make a statement on the way in which his Department disposes of houses no longer required; what has been the average length of time such houses have been empty; and how many empty houses are waiting to be sold at the present time.
Surplus houses belonging to the Ministry of Defence are normally offered to other Government Departments and local authorities; if these do not require them, they are sold to the best advantage. The number in the United Kingdom awaiting disposal at the end of September, 1969, was about 700. The present average length of time they have been empty during disposal is about seven months.
Rocket Range, Hebrides (Civilian Wages)
asked the Secretary of State for Defence what was the amount paid in civilian wages in the Hebrides for work on the rocket range in 1968.
About £72,000 in 1968, rising to about £200,000 when development of the range is complete.
Parachute Battalions
asked the Secretary of State for Defence what changes there have been in the commitment of the Parachute battalions to N.A.T.O. as announced on 10th May, 1968; and whether these battalions are still part of the Strategic Reserve.
There has been no change. The Parachute Force of two battalion groups is earmarked for assignment to N.A.T.O.: it remains part of Army Strategic Command.
Chemical Experimental Work
asked the Secretary of State for Defence what chemical experimental work for his Department is being conducted at any university or college in Scotland; and if he will give an assurance that he will not sponsor or assist such work at such places in the future
I assume that the hon. Member is referring to work being conducted for the Chemical Defence Establishment. The only work in this field at universities and colleges in Scotland consists of a study at the University of Edinburgh into endocrine factors concerned in the control of blood pressure and a study at the University of Strathclyde into the synthesis and chemical behaviour of quinones and quinone methides. Both studies are unclassified and there will be no bar to publication of their results. The Ministry of Defence will continue, as necessary, to seek the assistance of universities and colleges, in Scotland and elsewhere, in furthering the interests of the security of the United Kingdom.
Naval Rating (Pre-Release Resettlement Course)
asked the Secretary of State for Defence why an electrical mechanic, age 21 years, whose name has been given to him, who was injured in a naval football match in March, 1966, and prematurely discharged in March. 1969, was not given vocational training in the three-years interval; why his employment exchange was not notified by his Department of his discharge and qualifications; and why the Department of Employment and Productivity was not informed for resettlement training.
Preliminary inquiries indicate that the rating concerned was given the opportunity of applying for a pre-release resettlement course but did not take it and that the Employment Exchange and the Department of Employment and Productivity were notified of his discharge and qualifications in the normal way. I am, however, making further detailed inquiries and I will write to the hon. Member when they are complete.
Employment And Productivity
Prices And Incomes (Boards And Committees)
asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer whether he will publish in HANSARD a full and detailed list of the various Boards and Committees, which the Government have set up since 1964 to deal with wages, prices and incomes, the salaries paid to the members and the total costs of these Boards and Committees to the latest convenient stated date.
I have been asked to reply.The only body set up since 1964 to deal generally with prices and incomes matters has been the National Board for Prices and Incomes. Expenditure on salaries fees, travelling and incidental expenses in respect of the N.B.P.I. from 1st April, 1965, to 31st August, 1969, has been £2,396,969. A broad estimate of other expenditure is £900,000. The chairman's salary is £15,000 per annum, a deputy chairman's salary is £9,500 per annum, and full-time Board members receive £6,500 per annum. Part-time members of the Board are paid pro-rata according to the amount of time they devote to the Boards affairs.
London Transport (Aef Dispute)
asked the Secretary of State for Employment and Productivity whether she is aware that the action of London Transport has provoked an official dispute, now in its fifth week, with members of the A.E.F. at Acton and elsewhere; and whether she will intervene.
My officers had discussions with representatives of the London Transport Board and the two unions concerned but were unable to resolve the problem. Following consultation with my officers the T.U.C. have, I understand, been in touch with the unions and a meeting is being arranged.
Average Wage Rate
asked the Secretary of State for Employment and Productivity whether she is aware that the Family Expenditure Survey shows that the average weekly household income is now £30; whether she will give a list of industries where the rates of pay fall below this figure; whether when restricting wage increases she will ensure that no stoppage or hold up in wage awards is made by her Department when the average wage rate falls below £30 per week.
There are very many industries where nationally negotiated rates of pay fall below £30 a week and I do not consider the work involved in preparing a list would be justified. I do not see the logic in trying to raise wage rates to the average level of household incomes.
Independent Television Companies (Fees)
asked the Secretary of State for Employment and Productivity whether she is aware of the growing practice of independent television companies of paying high fees for broadcasts similar to those for which the B.B.C. have paid lower fees; whether this is within the Government's Wages, Prices and Incomes policy; whether she will refer it to the Prices and Incomes Board; and whether she will make a statement.
I am not aware of any general practice of the kind mentioned by my hon. Friend.
Wages Agreements And Price Increases
asked the Secretary of State for Employment and Productivity whether she will give for the longest most convenient stated period of time full details of the various freely negotiated wage settlements which have been stopped or delayed in payment by Her Majesty's Government or any of their appointed agencies, the number and types of workers affected and during this period the number and types of price increases which have been stopped or reduced by Government intervention.
Listed below are cases in which pay increases have been the subject of a statutory Order under Part IV, or of a Direction under Part II, of the Prices and Incomes Act 1966, together with the number—in some cases approximate—of workers involved in each case. Also listed are the numbers of the relevant Statutory Instrument or Report by the National Board for Prices and Incomes in which can be found details of the coverage of each Order or Direction. In the case of the Direction concerning Members of the Association of Film Laboratory Employers, the coverage is to be found in a Notice of Direction published in the London Gazette on 8th August this year.As regards prices, one statutory Order (S.I. No. 1321/1966) was made under Part IV of the Prices and Incomes Act, 1966, concerning certain laundry and cleaning charges.Following is the information:
| I. PAY STANDSTILL ORDERS MADE UNDER PART IV OF THE PRICES AND INCOMES ACT 1966 | ||
| Name of firm or, organisation | Number of workers affected | Statutory Instrument Number |
| Thorn Electrical Industries Ltd. | 200 | 1365/66 |
| National Newspapers | 25,500 | 1380/66 |
| Rockware Glass | 56 | 1444/66 |
| Metropolitan Police Draughtsmen | 49 | 1468/66 |
| Printing Ink Industry | 2,000 | 1630/66 |
| J. Hanger & Co. Ltd. | 150 | 98/67 |
| Denby Pottery | 500 | 106/67 |
| Crown Bedding | 20 | 216/67 |
| Press Association Ltd. | 400 | 217/67 |
| Birmingham Corporation (Transport Department) | 80 | 424/67 |
| Longbridge Group of Delivery Agents | 450 | 515/67 |
| Royal Borough of Rothesay | 20 | 608/67 |
| Electrical Contractors' Association of Scotland | 5,000 | 617/67 |
| Harland and Wolff Ltd. | 630 | 830/67 |
| II. STANDSTILLS IMPOSED ON PAY INCREASES BY DIRECTIONS MADE UNDER PART II OF THE PRICES AND INCOMES ACT 1966, ACCOMPANIED BY REFERENCE TO THE N.B.P.I. | ||
| Name affirm or organisation | Number of workers affected | Cmnd. number of N.B.P.I. report |
| Road Passenger Transport Municipal Buses | 71,000 | 3605 |
| Draughtsmen employed by Beckman Ltd. | 7 | 3632 |
| Draughtsmen employed by the Steel Group of Companies | 33 | 3632 |
| Rochdale County Borough Council busmen | 423 | 3723 |
| City and County of Bristol dock undertaking | 366 | 3752 |
| Sawmilling industry | 4,000 | 3768 |
| Dundee City Corporation busmen | 815 | 3791 |
| Thermal Insulation Contracting Industry | 8,000 | 3784 |
| Wigan County Borough busmen | 509 | 3845 |
| Great Yarmouth County Borough Council busmen | 120 | 3844 |
| Electrical Contracting (Scotland) | 10,000 | 3966 |
| Exhibition Industry | 4,800 | 4088 |
| Members of the Association of Film Laboratory Employers | 3,000 | not yet published. |
Exhibition Workers And Dustmen (Wages)
asked the Secretary of State for Employment and Productivity whether she will make a statement on her decision to agree to the wage demand of the stand erectors and others at the Earls Court Exhibition Centre; whether this was in accordance with the criteria of the Government's incomes policy; why this decision was reached so speedily; and why she has not taken similar action to resolve the dustmen's dispute.
In the case of the exhibition industry, settlements were notified to my right hon. Friend for incomes policy clearance on 6th and 10th October which she accepted on Monday, 13th October. I see no need to apologise for dealing with these settlements quickly. The situation in the case of the dustmen is quite different and was dealt with fully in reply to Questions on Monday, 16th October.
Industrial Relations
asked the Secretary of State for Employment and Productivity, in view of her policy to exclude penal clauses from industrial relations legislation, how compliance with the legislation, by employers, employees and trade unions, will be enforced.
The Government's policy was set out in the statement to the House by my right hon. Friend the Prime Minister of Thursday, 19th June, 1969.—[Vol. 785, c. 700–701.]
asked the Secretary of State for Employment and Productivity when she will publish a White Paper on the next stage of the Government's industrial relations proposals; and whether she will include in it the additions she proposes to make to Part II of the 1966 Act when it is reactivated.
The Government's proposals for industrial relations legislation will be announced after further consultations with the T.U.C., the C.B.I. and other organisations concerned. My right hon. Friend has made no proposals for additions to Part II of the 1966 Act when it is reactivated.
Agricultural Training Board
asked the Secretary of State for Employment and Productivity how much public money has been advanced to the Agricultural Training Board since 29th April, 1968; and whether this Board is now self-sufficient.
The Board has received loans from public funds to the value of about £560,000 since 29th April, 1968. The Board is expected to pay its way as soon as outstanding levies are collected and it is possible to introduce the new arrangements for funding the Board announced in the Government proposals of 13th August.
asked the Secretary of State for Employment and Productivity when publication of the accounts of the Agricultural Training Board for the year ending 31st March, 1969, may be expected.
Publication of the Annual Report and Statement of Accounts of the Agricultural, Horticultural and Forestry Industry Training Board for the period ended 31st March, 1969, is scheduled for about two weeks' time.
Regional Prices Indices (Committee)
asked the Secretary of State for Employment and Productivity how many meetings the interdepartmental committee involved in the calculation of regional prices indices has held; and where.
The committee has held one meeting, on 12th November, 1968, in London. A further meeting will be held shortly.
Former Naval Electrical Mechanic (Resettlement Training)
asked the Secretary of State for Employment and Productivity why a naval electrical mechanic, age 21 years, whose name has been given to her, who was injured in a naval football match in March, 1966, but retained in the service for three years, until March, 1969, was refused a resettlement course by the Hull Employment Exchange; and why the exchange took no steps to place him in employment consistent with his 3½years' specialist naval training.
On the medical evidence then available, he was not considered fit either for the course of training he had chosen or for civilian employment in which his specialist naval training could be used. If he reapplies for training, I will arrange for him to be medically examined again.
Industrial Training
asked the Secretary of State for Employment and Productivity if she will take steps to decentralise industrial training and to site several of the industrial training boards' headquarters in Scotland.
I have no powers to direct industrial training boards to locate their offices in any particular areas. About half of the boards already have area offices or officers in Scotland.
Unemployment And Unfilled Vacancies (Scotland)
asked the Secretary of State for Employment and Productivity how many people were unemployed in Scotland on the latest date for which figures are available; and how many unfilled vacancies existed in Scotland on that date.
At September, 1969, 77,418 persons were registered as unemployed in Scotland, including 76,626 who were wholly unemployed, and 19,345 of the vacancies notified to my Department remained unfilled.
Foreign And Commonwealth Affairs
Nigeria (Red Cross Relief)
asked the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs what has been the effect of the suspension of the International Committee of the Red Cross relief flights to Biafra on the famine situation and the death rate.
There are no reliable statistics or firm evidence about the pre- cise effect of the suspension of the I.C.R.C. airlift, although some reports indicate that there is severe shortage in some areas, especially among refugees.
asked the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs what representations he has received regarding the increase in the death rate in Biafra; and what further assistance Her Majesty's Government propose to provide.
My right hon. Friend receives many communications on the subject of Nigeria, representing various points of view, but few of these are concerned specifically with the question of the death rate in the rebel area.Her Majesty's Government keep constantly under review the question of further assistance, taking account of the opportunities open to us.
Home Department
Funeral Expenses (John Claxton)
asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department by what authority he has made the father of John Claxton, who recently died whilst in the custody of Her Majesty's Government at the Portslade Detention Centre, responsible for the funeral expenses of his late son; and whether he will make a statement.
asked the Home Secretary why in view of the fact that the Home Office are refusing to pay the funeral costs of the boy John Claxton they are at the same time claiming the Social Welfare State funeral benefit payable to this boy's next of kin.
Mr. Claxton was informed that, where relatives make their own arrangements, the Home Office does not normally accept liability for funeral expenses of inmates of prisons and borstals. But he was told at the same time that the Home Office hoped to be able to help in this case. I can now state that an ex gratia payment will be made which will more than cover the amount of the National Insurance Death Grant.
Diplomats (Non-Payment Of Traffic Penalties)
asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department which are the countries whose diplomats have declined to pay traffic penalties in the Metropolitan Area since the last list was compiled in November, 1968; and on how many occasions.
During the period of ten months from 1st November, 1968, there were 26,145 cases in which members of diplomatic missions did not respond to a fixed penalty notice issued under Section 80 of the Road Traffic Regulations Act, 1967. Particulars are as follows:
| Afghanistan | 27 |
| Algeria | 12 |
| Argentine | 423 |
| Australia | 32 |
| Austria | 23 |
| Barbados | 15 |
| Bolivia | 45 |
| Botswana | 25 |
| Belgium | 123 |
| Brazil | 9 |
| Bulgaria | 697 |
| Burma | 59 |
| Cambodia | 13 |
| Cameroon | 58 |
| Canada | 96 |
| Ceylon | 857 |
| China | 17 |
| Colombia | 34 |
| Congo | 1,095 |
| Costa Rica | 4 |
| Cuba | 202 |
| Cyprus | 453 |
| Czechoslovakia | 873 |
| Denmark | 12 |
| Dominican Republic | 23 |
| Ecuador | 63 |
| El Salvador | 61 |
| Ethiopia | 193 |
| Finland | 130 |
| France | 37 |
| Gambia | 17 |
| Federal Republic of Germany | 130 |
| Ghana | 913 |
| Greece | 884 |
| Guinea | 2 |
| Guyana | 96 |
| Haiti | 41 |
| Hungary | 2,601 |
| Republic of Ireland | 125 |
| Iceland | 1 |
| India | 248 |
| Indonesia | 177 |
| Iran | 676 |
| Iraq | 268 |
| Israel | 220 |
| Italy | 89 |
| Ivory Coast | 656 |
| Jamaica | 699 |
| Japan | 19 |
| Jordan | 273 |
| Kenya | 241 |
| Korea | 31 |
| Kuwait | 467 |
| Laos | 4 |
| Lebanon | 22 |
| Liberia | 142 |
| Libya | 98 |
| Luxembourg | 1 |
| Malagasy | 29 |
| Malawi | 8 |
| Malaysia | 244 |
| Malta | 30 |
| Mauritania | 2 |
| Mauritius | 2 |
| Mexico | 440 |
| Morocco | 178 |
| Nepal | 2 |
| Netherlands | 53 |
| New Zealand | 1 |
| Nicaragua | 17 |
| Niger | 251 |
| Nigeria | 830 |
| Norway | 94 |
| Pakistan | 567 |
| Panama | 40 |
| Paraguay | 131 |
| Peru | 272 |
| Philippines | 9 |
| Poland | 1,174 |
| Portugal | 75 |
| Qatar | 1 |
| Roumania | 33 |
| Saudi Arabia | 1,729 |
| Senegal | 139 |
| Somali | 170 |
| Sierra Leone | 364 |
| Singapore | 24 |
| South Africa | 5 |
| Spain | 41 |
| Sudan | 148 |
| Sweden | 7 |
| Switzerland | 34 |
| Syria | 1 |
| Tanzania | 13 |
| Thailand | 37 |
| Trinidad and Tobago | 28 |
| Tunisia | 153 |
| Turkey | 692 |
| Uganda | 582 |
| United Arab Republic | 999 |
| U.S.A. | 57 |
| U.S.S.R. | 130 |
| Uruguay | 4 |
| Uganda | 582 |
| Venezuela | 194 |
| Yemen | 10 |
| Yugoslavia | 173 |
| Zambia | 494 |
| Total | 26,145 |
Ronald Arthur Biggs
asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department what assistance was provided to the Australian authorities by the Metropolitan Police in connection with the identification and location of Ronald Arthur Biggs.
The Metropolitan Police have, in the normal manner, been in touch with the Australian police on this matter.
"Murder"
asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department when he proposes to publish a new Edition of the Home Office pamphlet "Murder".
I hope to do so shortly.
Court Case (Costs)
asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department out of which Vote he intends to make the ex-gratia contribution towards the costs of Mr. A. R. McWhirter following upon the undertaking given on his behalf in the case of The Queen v. The Secretary of State for the Home Department ex parte McWhirter.
The Home Office Vote.
asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department what is the total amount of the costs incurred on his behalf in the action entitled The Queen v. The Secretary of State for the Home Department ex parte McWhirter.
It is not yet known.
Portland Borstal Centre (Deaths)
asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department whether he will state the number of deaths which have occurred in the Portland Borstal Centre during the past six months; when these occurred; and what was the cause of death in each instance.
During the past six months, two trainees at Portland Borstal have died. The first death, on 8th August, was due to pressure on the brain following a haemorrhage. The Inquest has been adjourned, and another trainee charged with murder. The matter is thus sub judice.The second death, on 8th September, was due to natural causes.
Kray Twins
asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department if he will publicly give special recognition to all the Metropolitan Police who were connected with bringing the Kray twins to trial and sentence.
There is already wide public recognition, with which I gladly associate myself, of the work done in this notable police operation. The Commissioner of Police of the Metropolis informs me that he had commended in the orders of the force a number of the officers principally concerned.
asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department whether he will now cause an official investigation to be made into all aspects of the way in which prison rules and regulations were consistently and persistently broken by the Kray twins.
I have no evidence that the rules and regulations have been consistently and persistently broken by these prisoners.
Court Proceedings (Members' Constituents)
asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department if he will introduce legislation to make it compulsory for clerks to city justices to make available to Members of Parliament records or notes of court proceedings they possess concerning constituents' cases in which the constituent has requested their help.
No.
Housing
Houses, Rural Norfolk (Facilities)
asked the Minister of Housing and Local Government what percentage of houses in rural Norfolk are without a piped water supply.
According to the 1961 Census, 16,306 dwellings or 16·62 per cent. of all dwellings in rural districts in Norfolk were then without a cold water tap. Some of those with a tap may not have been supplied from the mains. Even at that time, however, a mains supply was available nearby to some of those dwellings and since then grant has been awarded for schemes to make a piped supply available for the first time to about a further 4,000 properties. Because each of these figures is on a slightly different basis it would not be possible to deduce an up-to-date percentage from them.
asked the Minister of Housing and Local Government what percentage of houses in rural Norfolk are without hot water, fixed baths and internal closets.
The report of the sample census held in 1966 showed that for rural districts in Norfolk the percentages were as follows:
| No hot water tap | 24·3 per cent. |
| No fixed bath | 25·6 per cent. |
| No internal water closet | 29·2 per cent. |
Local Government
Hartlepool Shopping Centre
asked the Minister of Housing and Local Government what were the circumstances which led him to arrange for the hon. Member for Hartlepool and officers of the West Hartlepool Borough Council to meet in his Department on the 31st January, 1967; what was the outcome of that meeting; to what extent it saved time in starting on the Hartlepool shopping centre; and what estimated extra costs was the Borough Council relieved of, following the representations made to him at this meeting.
This meeting was concerned with the structural fire precautions required under the Building Regulations in connection with the West Hartlepool Central Area Redevelopment scheme. In the light of explanations given by my hon. Friend the hon. Member for Hartlepools (Mr. Leadbitter), council officers and the council's appointed architects agreement was reached about a relaxation of the regulations for the first stage of the scheme. This avoided extra costs of at least £100,000, and several months' delay in starting the scheme.
Meetings With Local Government Representatives (Transcripts)
asked the Minister of Housing and Local Government if it is the practice of his Department to prepare transcripts of meetings between his Department and representatives of local government.
It is not the practice of the Department to take transcripts—of the nature of verbatim reports—of such meetings with local government representatives, but normally a short note of the gist and conclusions of meetings is made for departmental record purposes.
Members (London Allowance)
15.
asked the Lord President of the Council whether he will move for the granting to Members of Parliament of an allowance of 61s. 6d. for each night they have to stay in London on a similar basis to that now applied to the junior ranks of the Civil Service.
No.
Public Expenditure And Administration (Committee's Report)
25.
asked the Lord President of the Council if he will make a statement on Her Majesty's Government's policy on the proposals contained in the First Report from the Select Committee on Procedure 1968–69 concerning scrutiny of public expenditure and administration.
I would refer my hon. Friend to the speech I made on this subject during yesterday's debate, and to that of my right hon. Friend the Chief Secretary to the Treasury.
Television Annunciator (Digital Clock)
asked the Lord President of the Council if he will make arrangements for a digital clock to be added to the close circuit television so that the business in the Chamber may always be accompanied by the correct time.
I am making inquiries into the practicability of this suggestion, for which I am grateful.
Scottish Questions
asked the Lord President of the Council in view of the fact that the responsibility of the Secretary of State for Scotland covers the activities of seven Government Departments in England, if he will arrange for Scottish Questions to be answered at intervals more frequent than at present.
I am in consultation with the usual channels about the question roster for next Session. No decisions about Scottish questions have yet been taken.
Members (Secretarial Assistance)
53.
asked the Lord President of the Council if he will make a statement on the implementation of the recommendation on the provision of free secretarial assistance to Members in accordance with the Sixth Report of the Select Committee on House of Commons (Services).
The Government are still considering this matter in the light of Members' views. I will inform the House of the Government's proposals as soon as possible.
House Of Commons (Acoustics)
asked the Lord President of the Council what steps he proposes to take to improve the acoustic arrangements in the House of Commons, following the communication sent to him by the hon. and learned Member for Aberdeen, North on this subject on 29th September.
Work on equipment in the Chamber to improve the audibility of speakers was begun during the Summer Recess. The work will be completed in the Christmas Recess.
Churchill Memorial Statue
asked the Lord President of the Council if he will make a statement about the unveiling of the Churchill Memorial Statue.
It is expected that the statue will be completed in time for it to be placed on the vacant plinth to the left of the Churchill Arch during December. Lady Spencer-Churchill has kindly agreed to unveil it.As the statue is on a somewhat larger scale than that of Lloyd George on the other side of the Arch, the height of the plinths and the base of the Lloyd George Statue have been adjusted. When the new statue has been unveiled, Members will be able to judge whether or not this is a satisfactory solution.I understand that Mr. Speaker would be prepared to waive the ten-year rule in this instance, this being the wish of the House.
Ministry Of Power
British Steel Corporation (Tube Division)
asked the Minister of Power when he expects to announce his decision on the site of the administrative headquarters of the Tube Division of the British Steel Corporation.
In their Second Report on Organisation (House of Commons Paper, No. 163, 11th March, 1969), the British Steel Corporation announced their conclusion that the multi-product Group organisation set up on vesting date should cease to exist and that they had put in hand a detailed examination of the feasibility of replacing it by a system of Product Divisions which would be better adapted to promote rationalisation and the optimum use of production facilities.The Corporation have since, in the light of their detailed studies, concluded that this new system would be practicable, and ought to be introduced, and have consulted me on the broad lines of such a re-organisation. The intention will be to set up four main Product Divisions as follows:—
The Corporation have also reached conclusions on the location of the Divisional headquarters, which I am discussing with them.
I am satisfied that reorganisation on these lines is desirable, and I have asked the Corporation to continue detailed planning and to consult the trade unions and other bodies concerned, with a view to putting formal proposals to me for statutory approval towards the end of the year. A statutory Third Report on Organisation will then be laid before Parliament which will give full details of the proposed reorganisation, including respective responsibilities of the Corporation's Head Office and the Divisions and the arrangements for dealing with regional aspects, to which my right hon. Friend the then Minister of Power referred earlier in the year. The new organisation would be put into effect at the end of March, 1970.
Early Warning Arrangements (Ministerial Responsibility)
58.
asked the Prime Minister following recent alterations in Government structure, what changes there have been in the responsibility of different Ministries for the various items covered by the Department of Employment and Productivity's early warning arrangements.
The Ministry of Technology becomes responsible for notification of price increases, and public sector pay increases, for the industries which it now sponsors and which were formerly the responsibility of the Ministry of Power and the Board of Trade.
European Economic Community
57.
asked the Prime Minister whether he will publish in HANSARD details of the assurances which he gave to New Zealand's Deputy Prime Minister concerning the safeguarding of New Zealand's interests if Britain enters the Common Market; and to what extent such safeguards and assurances will apply to Australia as well as New Zealand.
The New Zealand Government are aware that Her Majesty's Government will seek the maximum accommodation for New Zealand's interests, and that our position with regard to the safeguarding of New Zealand interests was set out in the Statement made by my right hon. Friend the then Foreign Secretary to the Council of Western European Union on 4th July, 1967, and laid before the House on the same day as Command Paper No. 3345. I repeated these assurances to the Deputy Prime Minister of New Zealand, Mr. Marshall, in the course of our conversation on 17th October. It has always been recognised that New Zealand's case, in the event of British entry into the European Communities, is of an altogether special kind.
Department Of Economic Affairs Staff (Redeployment)
asked the Prime Minister how many of the 550 employees formerly with the Department of Economic Affairs are already redeployed.
Most of the staff of the former Department of Economic Affairs have already been re-allocated to the Departments which have taken over responsibility for its functions. About 100 common services staff have been allocated to the Civil Service Department, either to be absorbed there or to be redeployed to other Departments in due course.
Economic Situation
asked the Prime Minister whether he will take the earliest opportunity of arranging for a Ministerial television broadcast to explain to the country how Britain's economic situation is improving; if he will ensure that in relaxing any of the restrictions imposed some years ago the Government's first step will be to lift those impositions which fall most heavily on the poorer sections of the population, such as the charges on the welfare services.
I have no plans at present to make a Ministerial broadcast.On the second part of the Question I would refer to the reply which my right hon. Friend the Chancellor of the Exchequer gave to a supplementary question by my hon. Friend yesterday.
Official Announcements And Members' Duties
asked the Prime Minister (1) whether he is aware of the growing practice of unnamed officials and civil servants from Whitehall issuing statements denying, altering, amending and contradicting announcements made by Ministers; and whether in future he will ensure that this is done by Ministers of the Crown or junior Ministers and not by persons who have no responsibility to the House of Commons;(2) whether he will give an assurance that when civil servants and/or Government Departments impede Members of Parliament from carrying out their duties to their constituents, he will, on being given the particulars, take whatever action may be necessary to ensure that such impediments cease.
No doubt my hon. Friend will let me know what he has in mind.
Scotland
European Economic Community
42.
asked the Secretary of State for Scotland if he will now arrange for the issue of a White Paper on the immediate effects predicted of Great Britain's entry into the Common Market on Scottish unemployment, on prices in Scotland and on the cost of living index in Scotland.
No. I would refer the hon. Member to the statement made by my right hon. Friend the Prime Minister on 16th October on the arrangements for providing information to the House about the possible effects of joining the European Economic Community. I would, however, remind the hon. Lady that a detailed analysis of the consequences of membership for particular parts of the United Kingdom is not practicable.—[Vol. 788, c. 601–5.]
asked the Secretary of State for Scotland what special safeguards he proposes for the Scottish legal system on the United Kingdom's application to join the Common Market being successful.
I am advised that no special safeguards are necessary as there is no fundamental factor of a legal or constitutional nature which affects the special position of the Scottish legal system.
asked the Secretary of State for Scotland if he will publish a separate White Paper on the constitutional implications of the Treaty of Rome with regard to the Treaty of Union of 1707; and if he will make a statement.
No, for the reasons which I have already given to the hon. Member in reply to her Question on 18th January, 1968.—[Vol. 756, c. 655–6]
Council House Rents
50.
asked the Secretary of State for Scotland what advice he has given to local authorities concerning council house rents during the past two months.
None.
Wheatley Report
43.
asked the Secretary of State for Scotland whether his proposed discussions with local authorities on local government reorganisation will deal with the question of the financial implications of the Wheatley Report.
49.
asked the Secretary of State for Scotland what advice concerning local authority finance he will give to local authorities before they have to submit their recommendations to him on the Royal Commission on Local Government in Scotland.
I am at present seeking the comments of the local authorities on the broad pattern of local government structure and the distribution of major functions. Financial arrangements and many other matters will be discussed later but, as I explained after my statement on 14th October, the Government are already examining the financial issues.
44.
asked the Secretary of State for Scotland whether the discussions which he plans to have with local authorities on the Wheatley Report will include consideration of the reallocation of the capital debt of the existing local authorities.
Not at this stage.
Sugar Beet Factory, Cupar
47.
asked the Secretary of State for Scotland if he will make a statement on the outcome of his discussions with the National Farmers' Union of Scotland about the proposal to close the sugar beet factory at Cupar.
The Scottish National Farmers Union asked me to intervene in a decision which was properly the concern of the British Sugar Corporation. This I felt unable to do for the reasons given to the House by my hon. Friend on 25th July.—[Vol. 787, c. 2316–31.]
Selective Employment Tax
54.
asked the Secretary of State for Scotland what estimate he has made of the number of people who have been forced to emigrate from the Highland area owing to the imposition of selective employment tax.
I am aware of no evidence to suggest that S.E.T. has affected emigration from the Highland area, which has in fact been reduced as a result of Government policies.
Crofters Commission And Highland And Islands Development Board
asked the Secretary of State for Scotland whether, in putting forward the United Kingdom application to the Common Market, Her Majesty's Government will give an assurance that the Crofters Commission and the Highlands and Islands Development Board will continue in existence.
The United Kingdom application, which is already tabled, does not affect the existence of these bodies.
Vatersay Jetty
asked the Secretary of State for Scotland what proposals he has to extend the jetty on the Island of Vatersay.
The provision of new or improved landing facilities on Vatersay is the responsibility of Inverness County Council. I understand the council has under consideration the extension and widening of the existing slipway but detailed proposals have not yet been submitted to me.
Outer Isles (Resident Sheriff)
asked the Secretary of State for Scotland what representations he has received about the absence of a resident Sheriff for the Outer Isles; and if he will take steps to ensure that arrangements are made to appoint one.
I received a copy of representations made in December last to the Lord Advocate by Stornoway Town Council. The Lord Advocate made a personal visit to Stornoway and discussed the matter with the Provost. It was promised that the situation would be kept under review. I see no reason for disturbing the existing arrangement at the present time.
Emigration
asked the Secretary of State for Scotland when the work of his Department on the problems of emigration will be made available for the information of Members; and what reports have been made in the past by the Departments of the Scottish Office on Scottish emigration.
I shall continue to make available, from time to time, whatever information I obtain that is relevant to the problem of emigration from Scotland. Apart from material in census volumes, there have been no formal reports by my Departments.
Planning Applications (Conditions)
asked the Secretary of State for Scotland what steps his Department takes in order to ensure that any conditions which he lays down in respect of a planning application, as he did in the case of Hillwood House, Corstorphine, are observed.
The enforcement of planning control is a matter for the local planning authority, although default powers are available to me. In the case of Hillwood House, Edinburgh, I have had no planning application before me for decision. In the review of the city development plan which Edinburgh Corporation submitted in 1965 it proposed to re-zone the grounds of the house from agriculture to public open space. After the public local inquiry into this review had been held the corporation sought a modification to re-zone this land as private open space; when published this attracted objections which have been the subject of a public local inquiry, in the light of which I will decide about the modification.
St Andrew's House (Appointments)
asked the Secretary of State for Scotland for how many posts in St. Andrew's House are interviews held and applications sent to London.
The number of posts filled varies widely from year to year, and the circumstances vary so much over the whole field of administrative, executive, clerical, professional, scientific, technical and other staff that no precise figures could be made available without considerable searching of records.In the case of posts filled by recruitment from outside, the Scottish Departments make their own local arrangements for recruitment of permanent staff at clerical and other junior levels and for recruitment of all temporary staff, and, like other Government Departments, recruit other permanent staff through the Civil Service Commission. The national competitions organised by the Civil Service Commission sometimes provide for applications to be sent to London, but in most of the competitions the interviewing of applicants for posts in the Scottish Departments takes place in Scotland.
Lanarkshre Constabulary (Divisional Headquarters)
asked the Secretary of State for Scotland what consideration he is giving to the building of new divisional headquarters for the northern division of the Lanarkshire Constabulary, regarding site, accommodation and possible cost.
I accept that new divisional headquarters are required for the Northern Division of the Lanarkshire Constabulary. I understand that the Joint Police Committee proposes to acquire the site of the former greyhound and sports stadium at Ellis Street, Coat-bridge; its original estimate of the cost was £120,000. The personnel for whom accommodation is to be provided has been agreed and discussions have taken place on the design and layout of the building. I am now awaiting submission of revised sketch plans.
Burrell Art Collections Gallery
asked the Secretary of State for Scotland when the Burrell Art Collections Gallery will be begun and completed; and if he will make a statement.
This is a matter for Glasgow Corporation which is responsible for the planning and construction of the gallery. The corporation decided to hold a competition to choose an architect. I understand that preparations for this competition are still being made and that it is not yet known when the construction of the gallery will begin.
Flower And Bulb Industry
asked the Secretary of State for Scotland what estimate his Department has made of the growth of the flower and bulb industry on a yearly basis since 1950 in Scotland.
The acreage, as given in the Agricultural Returns, which relates to holdings over I acre, is as follows:
| Flower and foliage | Hardy nursery stock | Bulbs | |
| 1950 | 703 | ||
| 1951 | 671 | ||
| 1952 | 666 | ||
| 1953 | 514 | ||
| 1954 | 664 | ||
| 1955 | 811 | ||
| 1956 | 673 | ||
| 1957 | 707 | ||
| 1958 | 776 | ||
| 1959 | 489 | 286 | |
| 1960 | 602 | 396 | |
| 1961 | 488 | 450 | |
| 1962 | 562 | 467 | |
| 1963 | 538 | 463 | |
| 1964 | 485 | 492 | 84 |
| 1965 | 538 | 467 | 168 |
| 1966 | 504 | 545 | 153 |
| 1967 | 577 | 618 | 175 |
| 1968 | 628 | 786 | 190 |
| 1969 | 721 | 765 | 256 |
Police Juvenile Liaison Schemes
asked the Secretary of of State for Scotland if he will make a statement on the effectiveness of police juvenile liaison schemes with a view to their introduction to parts of Scotland which do not have them.
I am satisfied that in those areas where they are at present operating juvenile liaison schemes are serving a useful purpose. The introduction of these or similar schemes in other areas is a matter for local initiative.
Salmon And Trout Fishing (Humber Report)
asked the Secretary of State for Scotland how many persons are presently engaged in the work of the Humber Report on Salmon and Trout Fishing; and what is the annual cost of the Report in each year since its inception.
The work is being done by the officials who deal with all freshwater fisheries questions. It is not possible to give a meaningful estimate of time spent on this work nor therefore of the cost.
School Building Projects
asked the Secretary of State for Scotland what was the value of primary and secondary school building projects approved, started and completed in the second quarter of 1969.
The information is as follows:
| VALUE OF SCHOOL BUILDING WORK IN SCOTLAND QUARTER ENDED 30TH JUNE, 1969 | ||
| Primary | Secondary | |
| £m. | £m. | |
| Approved | 2·17 | 5·69 |
| Started | 2·76 | 5·09 |
| Completed | 3·37 | 2·43 |
Scottish Health Services (Green Paper)
asked the Secretary of State for Scotland, in view of his now having received the Report of the Royal Commission on Local Government in Scotland, what further decisions he has made relating to the Green Paper, Administrative Reorganisation of the Scottish Health Services; and if he will make a statement.
I am carefully considering the Royal Commission's comments on this subject.
Housing
asked the Secretary of State for Scotland what are the figures for new houses started, under construction and completed, respectively, in Scotland in the years 1967, 1968 and 1969 to date; and what are his estimates for 1970.
The figures as at 30th September each year are as follows:
| Number of Houses | |||
| 1967 | 1968 | 1969 | |
| Started | 32,649 | 32,132 | 30,070 |
| Under construction | 55,852 | 57,354 | 56,360 |
| Completed | 27,347 | 27,864 | 29,268 |
Govan (Redevelopment)
asked the Secretary of State for Scotland if he will inquire into the reasons which are delaying the redevelopment of Govan.
I understand that detailed proposals for the comprehensive redevelopment of the Elderpark/Govan area are likely to be submitted to me soon.
Health
Industrial Noise
asked the Secretary of State for Social Services what action he proposes to take following the recently published report made to him by the Industrial Injuries Advisory Council concerning industrial noise and hearing.
At the request of my right hon. Friend the Secretary of State the Industrial Injuries Advisory Council undertook an appraisal of the results of long-term research into the effects of industrial noise on hearing. This research was originally commissioned following a suggestion by the Council.After studying their appraisal (Cmnd. 4145) of the research findings my right hon. Friend has referred formally to the Council the question whether there are degrees of occupational deafness which satisfy the conditions for prescription laid down by the National Insurance (Industrial Injuries) Act.
The Secretary of State has also asked the Council for their advice on the arrangements which would have to be made for dealing with claims in the event of the prescription of occupational deafness, and whether any special conditions should be placed on eligibility for benefit under the Act.
Patients Association Booklet (Distribution)
asked the Secretary of State for Social Services if he will arrange for free copies of the Patients Association booklet entitled "Organisations Concerned with Particular Diseases or Handicaps" to be sent to all general medical practitioners in the National Health Service for distribution among their patients.
No. Useful though it is I doubt if this booklet merits free distribution on this scale.
Sea-Birds (Virus Diseases)
asked the Secretary of State for Social Services if he will carry out an investigation into the possible dangers to human health of virus diseases associated with the recent death of some thousands of sea-birds and if he will consult the Home Office and the Ministry of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food on the steps to be taken to minimise the dangers.
I will write to my hon. Friend.
Hospitals
Lowestoft Hospital (Nurses)
asked the Secretary of State for Social Services whether he is aware of the shortage of nurses at Lowestoft Hospital and the effect this is having on the waiting list for operations and what action is being taken to remedy the situation.
I am writing to the hon. Member.
Regional Boards (Finance)
asked the Secretary of State for Social Services if he will circulate in the OFFICIAL REPORT a statement showing the financial allocations made to the respective regional hospital boards during the financial year 1968–69.
The expenditure allocations made to regional hospital boards in England were as follows:
| Regional Hospital Board | Capital Expenditure £ | Current Expenditure £ |
| Newcastle | 4,258,000 | 41,855,000 |
| Leeds | 6,913,000 | 46,981,000 |
| Sheffield | 8,279,000 | 51,969,000 |
| East Anglian | 2,647,000 | 19,205,000 |
| N.W. Metropolitan | 6,373,000 | 55,693,000 |
| N.E. Metropolitan | 6,127,000 | 51,494,000 |
| S.E. Metropolitan | 5,830,000 | 49,923,000 |
| S.W. Metropolitan | 4,456,000 | 54,577,000 |
| Oxford | 3,675,000 | 23,728,000 |
| South Western | 5,044,000 | 45,744,000 |
| Birmingham | 8,961,000 | 62,455,000 |
| Manchester | 6,904,000 | 61,427,000 |
| Liverpool | 4,252,000 | 34,286,000 |
| Wessex | 3,778,000 | 27,525,000 |
| £77,497,000 | £626,862,000 |
Social Services
National Health Service Charges
asked the Secretary of State for Social Services whether in view of the improvements in the country's economic situation and balance of payments, he will now remove all charges on the National Health Service.
No.
asked the Secretary of State for Social Services whether in view of the improvement in Britain's economic situation and balance of payments, he will give an assurance that the first action he will take in ameliorating the various restrictions imposed by the Government will be to lift National Health prescription charges, impositions in the welfare services and all other social spending which benefits the poorer sections of the population.
No.
Pharmaceutical Price Regulation Scheme
asked the Secretary of State for Social Services if he will now announce details of the revised pharmaceutical price regulation scheme.
The revised Voluntary Price Regulation Scheme will replace the present scheme on 17th November. It is expected to run for a minimum of three years.
The scope for direct negotiation at the option of the Department has been extended to cover the price of all National Health Service Medicines, whereas under the present scheme the prices of new products have generally enjoyed a period of freedom from control and, in certain other cases, maximum prices have been determined solely by reference to objective price tests. In future, negotiations will in all cases be based primarily on consideration of the overall financial results in each company's home sales of National Health Service medicines. Under the new scheme, companies will supply the Department with Annual Financial Returns in an agreed standard form, giving relevant details of sales, costs and capital employed in the previous year. (In the first year, returns for the accounting years ending 1967 and 1968 will also be supplied as background information). Individual product costs will not be required but the returns will provide for a much more detailed analysis of overall costs than has generally been available to the Department in negotiations under the present scheme.
In the course of negotiation, companies may be called upon to satisfy the Department on a number of matters, including levels of sales promotion expenditure, transfer prices of materials supplied by affiliated companies and the amount of overseas costs and capital to be taken into account in considering the company's business in the United Kingdom.
In certain circumstances the Department may also apply one of two supplementary price tests: the first involves comparison with prices in similar overseas markets, while the second, for use where this is not applicable, entails comparison with prices of other closely comparable products in the home market.
The scheme includes an agreed timetable for the supply of financial information, and provides that price changes will be implemented from a point eight months from the end of the company's accounting year under review, regardless of the date of conclusion of negotiations.
The new scheme, like its predecessors, provides that prices should not be increased without the approval of the Department.
The Department and the Association will, in the second year of the scheme, review its operation and the information collected under it, with a view to seeking agreement on the criteria to be applied in the examination of sales promotion expenditure and the assessment of profitability. Subject to such guidance, these matters will be for direct negotiation with the individual companies.
Disabled Persons (Constant Attendant Allowance)
asked the Secretary of State for Social Services when he expects to introduce legislation to provide constant attendant allowance for disabled persons.
I would ask my hon. and learned Friend to await the National Superannuation Bill, which we intend to introduce in the new Session.
Local Office, Portslade (Staff)
asked the Secretary of State for Social Services what officers of his Department have been transferred from his local office at Portslade, Hove, Sussex, in the last three weeks for what reasons; and to what new posts.
None.
Pension Proposals (Representations)
asked the Secretary of State for Social Services what representations he has received from Birmingham and other branches of the National Association of Local Government Officers with regard to the Government's proposed new earnings related pension scheme; what changes he proposes to make in his scheme as a result and if he will make a statement.
I would refer the hon. Member to my right hon. Friend's reply to a similar Question by the right hon. Member for Kingston-upon-Thames (Mr. Boyd-Carpenter) on 20th October.
Standard Family Allowance
asked the Secretary of State for Social Services what is his estimate of the cost in 1969–70 of paying a standard family allowance of 20s. per week, tax-free, for all children including the first born.
£730 million, as compared with the present expenditure on family allowances of £340 million.
Live Births
asked the Secretary of State for Social Services what proportion the number of live births in the months of March and April in each of the last five years bore to the number of births in the respective year as a whole.
Live births occurrences in March and April as a percentage of the annual total (England and Wales):
| 1964 | 17·6 |
| 1965 | 17·7 |
| 1966 | 17·5 |
| 1967 | 17·9 |
| 1968 | 17·6 |
Technology
Concorde Project
14.
asked the Minister of Technology whether, having regard to the criticism of the Committee of Public Accounts on his failure to keep Parliament fully informed about the escalation of the cost of Concorde from £150 million to £730 million, he will now provide an opportunity for the House to consider whether the project should be abandoned.
The House will have an opportunity to discuss Concorde when the Treasury Minute on the Public Accounts Committee's First, Second and Third Reports is debated.
asked the Minister of Technology whether he has studied the conclusion of the cost-benefit analysis of Concorde by Mr. C. B. Edwards of the University of East Anglia on the overall loss to the economy of the Concorde project, a copy of which has been sent to him; and if he will cancel the project and write off the expenditure to date so as to avoid the heavier expenditure of going into production.
Yes. I have myself made it clear that only part of the research and development cost of Concorde will be recovered. There are, however, other factors which have to be taken into account. We shall continue to keep the project under review in the light of costs and commercial prospects.
Handley Page Aircraft Company
19.
asked the Minister of Technology if he will make a statement on the future of Handley Page Aircraft Company; and what steps are being taken to keep the firm in operation.
29.
asked the Minister of Technology whether he will make a statement about the approaches which have been made to him to assist Handley Page Limited in their present difficulties.
At the instigation of the company's principal creditor, a Receiver was appointed for Handley Page on 7th August. The Receiver has now concluded an agreement with the Cravens Corporation of America for the purchase of aircraft interests of the former company. The agreement was conditional upon certain assurances from the Ministry of Technology, which have been given, about the acceptability of the new company for carrying out design and development work on the Victor tanker conversion, if this requirement is confirmed.The Government decided that there was no justification for special financial assistance to the company.
28.
asked the Minister of Technology how much money from public funds has been received by Handley Page Limited since the end of the Second World War.
This information is not readily available, but about £56 million has been paid by the Department since April, 1961.
Nuclear Exports
26.
asked the Minister of Technology if he will state his plans for the co-ordination of nuclear exports.
A Reactor Export Policy Committee bringing together the A.E.A., the Companies, my own and other Departments has been set up. Both Nuclear Design & Construction companies have access to the know-how of the United Kingdom Atomic Energy Authority and its full supoprt, being shareholders in both.Exports of research reactors, radioisotopes, nuclear fuel services, nuclear instruments, material and equipment equally receive full Government support and assistance.
Atomic Energy Board
27.
asked the Minister of Technology when he proposes to set up the proposed Atomic Energy Board.
This will require legislation. Issues for which the proposed board will be responsible are now being covered by Atomic Energy Authority's Reactor Policy Committee, and a Reactor Export Committee which has been established.
Nuclear Power Stations
36.
asked the Minister of Technology why Her Majesty's Government agreed to change the ground rules for estimating the costs of the nuclear power stations now being built, in view of the fact that no commercial station using the advanced gas-cooled reactor has yet operated.
My hon. Friend will be aware from the Answer he received on 25th March, that it is the Central Electricity Generating Board who have primary responsibility for determining the ground rules, but as indicated in the reply to the hon. Member for Bournemouth, West (Sir J. Eden) on 29th April, the Government were aware that the change was under consideration.—[Vol. 780, c. 261; Vol. 782, c. 1135.]
37.
asked the Minister of Technology what effect the corrosion recently detected in the Magnox series of nuclear-powered stations is expected to have on the advanced gas-cooled reactor stations now being built.
As my right hon. Friend stated on 13th October, 1969, he has been assured by C.E.G.B. that A.G.R. stations will not be affected as they operate in a much higher temperature range for which special steel components are being provided.—[Vol. 788, c. 38.]
Dungeness B Nuclear Power Station
asked the Minister of Technology when the Dungeness B Nuclear Power Station is now expected to be in operation; and what delay this represents by comparison with the original estimate.
In 1972. The first unit is expected to be delayed by at least 18 months and the second by about a year.
asked the Minister of Technology what was the original estimate of the cost per unit of electricity sent out from the Dungeness B Nuclear Power Station; and what is the present estimate on the basis of the same ground rules.
The initial estimate (0·46d./kWh) was given in paragraph 68 of Cmnd. 2798. There is no up-to-date estimate on the original ground rules, but the C.E.G.Rs latest estimate using their revised ground rules is 0·56d./kWh as stated in the reply given to my hon. Friend on 13th March, 1969. —[Vol. 779, c. 355.]
Nuclear Reactor Systems (Exports)
51.
asked the Minister of Technology what action is being taken by his Department to encourage exports of British nuclear reactor systems.
A Reactor Export Policy Committee on which my Department and others is represented has been set up with the U.K.A.E.A., the U.K.A.E.A. Production Group (later to become the Nuclear Fuel Company) and the two nuclear design and construction companies as members.In this way the fullest assistance and support can be provided.
Departmental Reorganisation
52.
asked the Minister of Technology what estimate has been made of the increase in the cost of implementing the reorganisation of his Department.
The integration of the Ministry of Power and elements of the Board of Trade and the Department of Economic Affairs in the Ministry of Technology will be carried out with the minimum interruption of day-to-day work. No estimate has been made of the marginal cost of implementing this re-organisation.
Hydrofoils (Report)
55.
asked the Minister of Technology if he will make a further report on the studies of the Working Party on Hydrofoils; and if he will make a statement.
The results of the technical investigations recommended by the Working Party are now available and these are being studied in conjunction with the Working Party's report. A statement will be made
Power Stations (Coal-Firing)
asked the Minister of Technology what loss of annual business to the coal industry is represented by the nuclear power stations now operating; and what are their excess costs by comparison with coal-fired stations in the coalfields built at about the same time.
It is calculated that the output of nuclear power stations in 1968–69 was equivalent to 8 million tons of coal, but it would be misleading to assume that coal stations would necessarily have been built if there had been no nuclear stations. The earliest nuclear stations under the first nuclear programme were less economic than contemporary conventional stations but the later ones to come into operation have base-load costs similar to those of contemporary coal-fired stations in the same part of the country.
Rb211 Engine
asked the Minister of Technology whether he will make a statement about the assistance his Department gave to Rolls-Royce Limited in securing the contract for the RB211 engine from the United States of America.
As a supplement to the statement I made in the House on 1st April, 1968, I can add that the launching aid granted for this very promising project is subject to a maximum of just over £47 million.
Domestic Fuel Supplies (Cost)
asked the Minister of Technology if he will circulate in the OFFICIAL REPORT a table showing the average cost in pence per kilowatt hour of energy supplied to domestic consumers in each of the last ten years for coal, gas oil and electricity; and how the increase over this period in each case compares with the rise in the index of retail prices.
In the following table costs are measured in terms of the energy content of fuels as supplied to consumers. The wide variations in the efficiencies with which the different fuels are used are not taken into account and the figures do not therefore show the cost of the useful heat obtained by individual consumers.
| AVERAGE REVENUES OR PRICES OF SELECTED DOMESTIC FUELS IN THE UNTTED KINGDOM | ||||
| Coal | Gas | Oil | Electricity | |
| in pence per kilowatt hour or kilowatt hour equivalent | ||||
| 1959 | 0·233 | 0·851 | 0·550 | 1·689 |
| 1960 | 0·242 | 0·883 | 0·545 | 1·632 |
| 1961 | 0·256 | 0·918 | 0·578 | 1·638 |
| 1962 | 0·276 | 0·920 | 0·607 | 1·669 |
| 1963 | 0·287 | 0·921 | 0·615 | 1·707 |
| 1964 | 0·293 | 0·903 | 0·615 | 1·786 |
| 1965 | 0·303 | 0·876 | 0·617 | 1·853 |
| 1966 | 0·334 | 0·874 | 0·618 | 1·908 |
| 1967 | 0·347 | 0·846 | 0·630 | 1·890 |
| 1968 | 0·360 | 0·899 | 0·652 | 2·130 |
| Percentage change | ||||
| 1959–1968 | +55 | +6 | +19 | +26 |
Notes:
Coal—Estimated average retail prices.
Gas—Average revenues (reference Table 67, Ministry of Power Digest of Energy Statistics: 1968 and 1969, and corresponding tables in earlier editions) for financial years ending in March of the following years. The figure for 1968–69 includes an estimate for Northern Ireland.
Oil—Estimated typical retail prices of premium grade Kerosene.
Electricity—Average revenues (reference Table 80, Ministry of Power Digest of Energy Statistics: 1968 and 1969, and corresponding tables in previous editions). The figure for 1968 includes an estimate for Northern Ireland.
Smokeless Fuel (Supplies)
asked the Minister of Technology whether he is satisfied that arrangements have been made to ensure adequate supplies of smokeless fuels in the East Midlands area both in the short and long term; and what steps he proposes to take.
Everything possible is being done by solid smokeless fuel producers to provide adequate supplies in both the short and long term. Local availability is a matter for the producers and distributors, but if my right hon. Friend has evidence of serious delays in supplies I hope that he will let me know.
Inverurie
asked the Minister of Technology if, in view of the failure of the Government's plans to provide employment in Inverurie to compensate for the closure of the British Railways' workshops, he will now prepare an industrial investment scheme to create, expand and sustain productive capacity there qualifying for financial support under Section 2 of the Industrial Expansion Act.
It is hoped to make an early announcement about the future of the Inverurie workshops.The Government have already made it clear that they are prepared to look at any proposition put to them, under the Industrial Expansion Act.
Chapelcross Nuclear Power Station
asked the Minister of Technology what are the final figures for the
| COMPLETIONS OF MERCHANT SHIPS (in thousand gross tons) | ||||||||
| For U.K. Registration | U.K. For Overseas Registration | Total | U.S.A. | Japan | ||||
| 1964 | … | … | … | 727 | 120 | 848 | 250 | 3,764 |
| 1965 | … | … | … | 1,053 | 150 | 1,204 | 218 | 4,886 |
| 1966 | … | … | … | 843 | 287 | 1,130 | 192 | 6,494 |
| 1967 | … | … | … | 581 | 611 | 1,192 | 209 | 7,217 |
| 1968 | … | … | … | 456 | 591 | 1,046 | 368 | 8,349 |
Oil Slicks
asked the Minister of Technology if he will state the inventions during the last year for distributing oil slicks at sea and for preventing their reaching and spoiling British seaside resorts, with special reference to the relevant inventions made by Imperial Chemical Industries and the Shell Company.
cost of the breakdown of the reactor in the Chapelcross nuclear-powered station, including the loss of revenue.
Remedial work on No. 2 reactor at Chapelcross has cost £400,000. The reactor recommenced electricity generation in mid-July this year, by which time the loss of electricity sales revenue was £2·3 million against which may be set savings in fuel costs which cannot yet be assessed It is not yet operating at full power and the final loss of revenue will depend on its future performance.
Shipbuilding Industry
asked the Minister of Technology if he will state the progress, giving figures, of British shipbuilding for home and foreign service, during the last five years as compared with the similar progress of the same industry in the United States of America and Japan, respectively.
The information is as follows:
A number of additional new materials and proposals for dispersing oil slicks have been examined by Mintech Laboratories in the past year. Preliminary trials have shown that the I.C.I. product Dispersol OS shows considerable promise for use at sea and the material produced by the Shell Company for sinking oil also seems likely to be of value in some situations.
Departmental Reorganisation (Personnel)
asked the Minister of Technology what estimate he has now made of the increase in personnel and staff which will result from the reorganisation of his Department.
About 4,000 staff will be transferred from other Government Departments to the Ministry of Technology as a result of the reorganisation, details of which were given by my right hon. Friend the Prime Minister to the House on 13th October.—[Vol. 788, c. 31–44.]
Junior Ministers (Responsibilities)
asked the Minister of Technology if he will define the duties and responsibilities of the junior Ministers in his Department.
Subject to my own overall responsibility for the work of the Department, I want other Ministers and the Parliamentary Secretaries to take particular responsibilities. Within their respective fields the Department should work to each of the other Ministers, as appropriate, in every possible case. They will initiate policy and deal direct with the appropriate Division or Branch. They should also take decisions on matters which, in their judgment, it is not necessary to refer to me.My right hon. Friend the Paymaster General will act as my deputy and will take executive responsibility for the Industry Group and also for liaison with the I.R.C. and the C.B.I.My noble Friend Lord DelacourtSmith will be responsible for the work of the Department in the House of Lords and will take executive responsibility for the Aviation Group and for Hovercraft. He will also assume responsibility for liaison with the T.U.C.My hon. Friend the Member for Chesterfield (Mr. Varley) will take executive responsibility for the Regional Group, including location of industry policy and the Department's work in the regions.My hon. Friend the Member for Woodside, Glasgow (Mr. Carmichael) will act as deputy on Aviation matters and will have special responsibilities under me for work across the whole Department.My hon. Friend the Member for Stretford (Dr. Ernest A. Davies) will have general oversight of the Research Group, working direct to me and the other Ministers concerned, as appropriate, and will also have responsibilities for private industry within the Industry Group.My hon. Friend the Member for Swansea, West (Mr. Allan Williams) will work with the central economic group, direct to me, and will have responsibilities for the nationalised industries and mineral development with the Industry Group.This division of responsibility must not lead to the fragmentation of effort. Some of the most important problems we shall face span a number of Groups, and others will call for special handling. I shall also ask Ministers to undertake specific tasks of liaison with those outside the Department. Special arrangements will be made for working groups, under the chairmanship of Ministers, to consider aspects of future policy.
Nickel
41.
asked the Minister of Technology what strategic stocks of nickel were held in this country in 1964; and what these stocks contained at the latest available date.
In 1964 the strategic stocks totalled 1,996 tons; today they stand at 1,396 tons.
Board Of Trade
North-East Scotland—Scandinavia (Sea Communications)
12.
asked the President of the Board of Trade if he will make a statement on the progress made in sea communications between Scandinavia and North-East Scotland since the Swedish Lloyd Leffler line withdrew their fortnightly shipping services from Gothenburg to Aberdeen last spring, and his plans to substitute other sea communications between Aberdeen and Scandinavia and the accommodation now available.
As far as I am aware the remaining services between Scotland and Scandinavia are quite adequate.
Fishing Industry
18.
asked the President of the Board of Trade whether he will make a statement on the discussions he has had with the fishing industry on the implementation of the Holland-Martin Committee's Report.
As my predecessor announced to the House on 23rd July, the Government accept the Holland-Martin Report in principle, subject to consultation with the industry as to its detailed implementation and financing. Consultations with industry were initiated at a meeting on 13th August at which both sides of industry welcomed the Report. Further discussions on the implementation of each category of recommendations are now proceeding.
| Exports of carcase meat | |||||||||
| January-August, 1968 | January-August, 1969 | ||||||||
| 1967 Tons | 1968 Tons | Tons | £000 (f.o.b.) | Average price per cwt. | Tons | £000 (f.o.b.) | Average price per cwt. | ||
| £ | £ | ||||||||
| E.E.C. | |||||||||
| Of pigs | … | 1,962 | 1,048 | 333 | 115 | 17·2 | 5,000 | 1,460 | 14·6 |
| Of sheep and goats | … | 6,088 | 2,086 | 364 | 141 | 19·4 | 3,736 | 1,463 | 19·6 |
| Of cattle | … | 5,674 | 653 | 465 | 124 | 13·4 | 2,879 | 1,283 | 22·3 |
| Totals | … | 13,723 | 3,787 | 1,162 | 380 | 11,615 | 4,207 | ||
| EUROPE (including E.E.C.) | |||||||||
| Of pigs | … | 2,257 | 1,054 | 336 | 117 | 17·4 | 5,036 | 1,476 | 14·7 |
| Of sheep and goats | … | 6,840 | 2,600 | 821 | 334 | 20·3 | 4,091 | 1,626 | 19·9 |
| Of cattle | … | 5,722 | 781 | 544 | 181 | 16·7 | 3,040 | 1,381 | 22·7 |
| Totals | … | 14,818 | 4,437 | 1,701 | 633 | 12,167 | 4,483 | ||
Packaged Household Goods (Labelling)
35.
asked the President of the Board of Trade if he will seek power to issue regulations to require stores selling packaged household goods to label them with the price per unit of quantity.
I do not think it would be appropriate to impose this obligation generally, but if in a particular case no better means can be found to enable the shopper to compare prices, I should be prepared to consider whether such a requirement would be practicable.
Whisky (Exports And Excise Duty)
34.
asked the President of the Board of Trade what was the value per employee of the Scotch whisky industry's exports for the year 1968–69 and the yield to the Treasury in excise duty.
Meat (Sale To Europe)
23.
asked the President of the Board of Trade what was the tonnage of meat from pigs, sheep and cattle, respectively, and in total sold to the Common Market countries and Europe, respectively, in total during 1968; what is the tonnage and value including average price per hundredweight of each sold in the current year; and how these figures compare with the previous year.
Following is the information:—
There are no separate figures for employment in the Scotch whisky industry. In relation to employees in Scotland engaged in the spirits, and British wines, cider, and perry industries, the value of exports of whisky—including whiskey from Northern Ireland—would be £6,600 per employee during the year ended 31st March 1969. Excise duty paid on mature plain British spirit—nearly all of which is Scotch whisky—retained for home consumption was £164 million.
Nickel
40.
asked the Minister of Technology what action he is taking to overcome the present shortage of nickel; and if he will undertake to make a statement in the House on this matter at an early date.
I have been asked to reply.The nickel shortage is due to circumstances outside our control. Since July supplies from the world's leading nickel producers in Canada have been seriously affected by industrial disputes. On 26th July we introduced controls on the export of nickel and certain nickel bearing materials from this country in order to conserve supplies for British industry. The major Canadian nickel company concerned operates an allocation scheme for British nickel users; we maintain close co-operation with them in the operation of this scheme. We are also in close touch with British industry about the best use of nickel in the present situation.
Film Finance Corporation
asked the President of the Board of Trade, in the detailed proposals to be made known shortly for the extension of the life of the National Film Finance Corporation, what investigations are being, have been, or will be made into the possibility of setting up a Scottish National Film Finance Corporation.
We do not consider that there is a requirement for a separate Film Finance Corporation for Scotland.
Inverurie
asked the Minister of Technology if, in view of the failure of the Government's plans to provide employment in Inverurie to compensate for the closure of the British Railways' workshops, he will now designate Inverurie as a special development area since the redundant work force represents over half the men in employment in the burgh prior to the closure.
I have been asked to reply.Inverurie is in the Scottish development area, and a wide range of assistance is available to encourage new industry to move there. The Government do not consider that the circumstances of Inverurie justify its designation as a special development area.
Professions (Report)
asked the President of the Board of Trade when he now expects to receive the report of the Monopolies Commission on the professions.
The Commission has told us that it hopes to complete the report early next year.
Fruit And Vegetables (Imports)
asked the President of the Board of Trade what representations he has received in recent weeks from farmers' and growers' organisations about any proposed removal of duties on imported processed fruit and vegetable; and if he will give an assurance that United Kingdom interests will be protected in any changes that may occur.
An application for the removal of import duty on a range of fruit and vegetable products used in food processing was advertised by the Board of Trade last month. The representations received include some from farmers' and growers' organisations. All relevant considerations will be taken into account, in accordance with Section 1 of the Import Duties Act, 1958, before the Board decides what, if any changes to recommend.
Japanese Goods (Imports)
asked the President of the Board of Trade whether he is aware that, the ad valorem tariff on United Kingdom imports from Japan of woven cloth and similar products is 17½ per cent., comparable to the equivalent Japanese tariff of 18 per cent. that the Japanese also impose a specific minimum duty on medium and cheaper types of cloth, equivalent to an ad valorem incidence near 60 per cent. and whether it is Government policy to harmonise effective impact of tariffs before liberalisation of wool cloth trade with Japan.
We are aware that the tariffs are not identical.The Japanese tariffs of 18 per cent. and 16 per cent. (according to the weight of cloth) are due to be reduced under the Kennedy Round to 15 per cent. and 10 per cent. respectively. The alternative specific duty is also due to be reduced. There will be no K.R. reduction in the British ad valorem tariff.We are aware that the woollen industry feels some anxiety about the Japanese specific alternative which affects cloth in the cheaper price ranges and we are discussing this with the Japanese.
Aviation
Supersonic Passenger Aircraft
13.
asked the President of the Board of Trade what consideration has been given by his Department to the possibility of an agreement with the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics whereby both countries would agree to each other's territory not being over-flown by supersonic passenger aircraft.
As the Government have not yet decided on its policy towards supersonic flights over the United Kingdom by aircraft in airline service, the question of agreements with other countries is premature.
Aircraft Engines (Smoke Pollution)
30. and 31.
asked the President of the Board of Trade (1) if he is aware of severe smoke pollution caused by aircraft to residents living beneath the glide path into London Airport, Heathrow; and what steps he is taking to encourage airlines and British industry to install smokeless engines that will not pollute the air;(2) if he is aware that seven major United States airlines will fit smokeless engines to new aircraft; and if he will give a general direction to the British Overseas Airways Corporation and British European Airways to take similar action, in view of the severe pollution being caused by aircraft approaching London Airport, Heathrow.
Experimental investigations indicate that, even at Heathrow Airport itself, atmospheric pollution from jet engines is small compared with that from other sources. The action being taken in the United States relates to the fitting of equipment designed to reduce the smoke emission of an existing American-made engine. This engine is not installed in aircraft operated by either of the two Air Corporations.
Charter Tour Operators (Night Flights)
32.
asked the President of the Board of Trade if he will ban night flights by charter tour operators, in view of the need to curb the increasing disturbance to the population from aircraft noise.
No. A general and indiscriminate ban of this kind would entail serious consequences for airlines and for the travelling public. The problem of restricting disturbance at night must be considered by reference to the situation at individual aerodromes.
Aircraft Industry (Exports)
33.
asked the President of the Board of Trade what was the value per employee of the British aircraft industry's exports for the year 1968–69.
A precise answer cannot be given as exports are recorded by commodity, not by industry. Exports of the main products of the industry were approximately £1,140 per employee for the year ending March,1969.
Aircraft Noise
asked the President of the Board of Trade what steps he has taken to formulate new aircraft noise control restrictions in the light of the forthcoming expansion of "Jumbo" jet operations to and from Great Britain's airports.
"Jumbo" jets are expected to be quieter than the largest aircraft types now in service. They will in any case have to comply with all existing noise abatement requirements for jet aircraft at British Airports Authority airports.
asked the President of the Board of Trade what consultations he has had with the United States Federal Aviation Administration on noise regulations governing the operation of Boeing 747 "Jumbo" jets.
The noise characteristics of the Boeing 747 have been among the matters discussed with the United States and French authorities in connection with the introduction of aircraft noise certification requirements.
Edwards Report
asked the President of the Board of Trade if he will now make a statement on the recommendations contained in the Edwards Report; and what action he proposes to take on them.
Perhaps my hon. Friend will await the publication of the White Paper.
Shipping
English Channel (Shipping Lanes)
21.
asked the President of the Board of Trade what consultations he has had with Trinity House and the Honourable Company of Mariners in respect of re-routing shipping lanes in the English Channel.
Their proposals were fully discussed with them by the Board's Safety of Navigation committee.
Safety At Sea
asked the President of the Board of Trade if he will now give details of the latest provisions for the safety of life at sea including those in the Holland-Martin Committee, and his plans for the safety of workers at sea and on land in the trawling industry.
I would refer my hon. and learned Friend to the answer I gave today to my hon. Friend the Member for Kingston-upon-Hull, North (Mr. McNamara).
Railways
Crewe—Glasgow Line (Electrification)
asked the Minister of Transport when he will approve the contracts for the resignalling of the line from Crewe to Glasgow; and whether the signalling will be suitable for the use of electric locomotives on this route.
Approval has already been given to the British Railways Board's proposal to resignal this route. The details of the contracts involved are the responsibility of the board. I am, of course, aware of the relation between the method of resignalling and the electrification of the line, on which I hope to reach a decision shortly.
asked the Minister of Transport when he received proposals from British Railways for the electrification of the line from Crewe to Glasgow; and when he will make a decision on this application.
The British Railways Board's proposals to electrify and modernise the route were received on 14th May, 1968. My predecessor announced his approval to modernisation in April this year, and then told my hon. Friend the Member for Oldham, East (Mr. Mapp) that there could be no question of electrification proceeding before the end of 1969. The electrification proposals have been under examination with the board since they were submitted and the latest information required before a decision could be taken was received at the beginning of this month. I hope shortly to make a decision.—[Vol. 782, c. 217.]
Land (Value)
asked the Minister of Transport in what year was the last valuation of land owned by British Rail carried out; and what was the value.
I would refer the hon. Member to the British Railways Board's Annual Report and Accounts for 1968, in particular to notes 16 and 17 on page 76.It is expected that the board will attribute £100 million to the value of operational land under the financial reconstruction effective from 1st January, 1969.
Railway Workshops (Outside Work)
asked the Minister of Transport whether he will give approval to the proposals submitted by the Railways Board to his Department concerning tendering by the Board's workshops for outside work.
The Railways Board has not yet submitted proposals for my formal approval as required under Section 48(4) of the Transport Act 1968 but I understand that it is likely to do so soon.
Roads
Expenditure
asked the Minister of Transport what sums were spent on roads in England by the central Government in 1966–67, 1967–68 and 1968–69.
Central Government expenditure on improvements, new construction and maintenance of roads in England was:
| £m | |
| 1966–67 | 187·2 |
| 1967–68 | 213·7 |
| 1968–69 | 225·5 (provisional) |
Trans-Pennine Route
asked the Minister of Transport if he will publish in the OFFICIAL REPORT details of the trans-Pennine route between Manchester and Sheffield for which feasibility studies are being undertaken by the appropriate highway authorities.
The study involves an investigation into traffic movements and conditions in a broad corridor between Sheffield and Manchester bounded roughly by the line of the future M62 to the north and the A6 to the south.
Transport
Motor Vehicles (Tests)
asked the Minister of Transport (1) whether he is aware that there are many vehicles being driven on the roads today without current road worthy test certificates; and if he will seek further powers to ensure that all vehicles due for road tests are actually tested;(2) whether he will consider making regulations to ensure that all vehicles liable to a road test should exhibit their current test certificate alongside their road fund licence, or for a joint road fund licence/test certificate to be issued on licensing of the vehicle.
No. Cars over three years' old and certain classes of goods vehicle are already required to produce a valid test certificate before being licensed and this requirement will be extended progressively to cover all classes of testable goods vehicles. We consider that these arrangements are adequate.
Motor Vehicles (Registration)
asked the Minister of Transport what for the most recent convenient stated date was the number of private and goods vehicles which were registered; and how many of these were currently licensed with a Road Fund Licence.
It is estimated that there were 10,478,000 cars and 1,408,000 goods vehicles with current licences on 31st July, 1969. No record is kept of vehicles that are registered but not licensed.
Drink And Driving Legislation
asked the Minister of Transport whether he now proposes to re-examine the present drink and driving legislation with a view to its amendment in the light of the numerous loopholes that have come to light in the courts.
I would refer the hon. Member to the Answer given to my hon. Friend the Member for Manchester, Blackley (Mr. Rose) on 20th October, 1969.
Narrow Roads (Unilateral Parking)
asked the Minister of Transport whether he is aware of the difficulties for essential services in travelling through narrow streets in major cities, where double parking of vehicles prevents the free flow of traffic, and of the danger to other drivers and pedestrians because the view is obscured; and whether he will seek to make it illegal to have other than unilateral parking on public highways which are less than 15 feet wide.
As my hon. Friend's predecessor informed my hon. Friend on 25th November, 1968, we are well aware of the difficulties and dangers which arise from vehicles being parked in narrow streets. Local traffic authorities have a duty under the Road Traffic Regulation Act 1967 to exercise the functions conferred on them by the Act to secure the expenditious, convenient and safe movement of vehicular traffic and pedestrians. It is for these authorities to impose whatever waiting restrictions they consider necessary on such narrow streets. The police may also take action in respect of any parked vehicle which is causing an obstruction. I see no need to revise the law to deal with this particular situation. —[Vol. 774, c. 36.]
Lorries (Dangerous Loads)
asked the Minister of Transport whether he is aware of the growing practice of large and very often dangerous loads of merchandise sometimes insecurely packed being driven on the roads in the large cities at peak travel periods; and whether he will take steps to ensure that these loads are safe and secure on lorries and as far as practicable travel at off-peak periods in the interests of safety and the prevention of road congestion.
The use at any time of a vehicle with a dangerously insecure load is already an offence for which the police can and do prosecute.The police also exercise their powers, when appropriate, to control the timing of those movements of exceptionally large indivisible loads of which they are required to be given advance notice.Control of the timing of movements of large goods vehicles generally in city centres is a matter to be dealt with, if the circumstances warrant control, by the local traffic authorities concerned.
Three-Wheeled Vehicles
asked the Minister of Transport if he will make a statement regarding the eligibility under his regulations of those members of the public seeking to drive a three-wheeled vehicle with particular reference to the lower age limit.
The minimum age for driving a three-wheeled vehicle with an unladen weight not exceeding 8 cwt. is 16. For all other three-wheelers it is 17.
Unlicensed Road Vehicles (Penalties)
asked the Minister of Transport whether he will publish in HANSARD as much detailed information as may be readily available showing to what extent fines and penalties have been imposed on persons using unlicensed road vehicles; how many such cases were so reported for any stated period of time; and whether he will give a selected list of the heavier penalties imposed for this offence.
Following is the information readily available from returns furnished by local taxation authorities:
| No. of cases 1968 | |
| Report of apparent vehicle excise offences | 345,054 |
| Offenders cautioned | 18,463 |
| Offenders dealt with by mitigated penalty | 70,509 |
| Court proceedings taken | 110,832 |
| Reports not proceeded with | 77,782 |
| Reports awaiting decision at end of year | 67,468 |
| Total 1968 | |
| Fines imposed by courts | £617,709 |
| Back duty ordered to be paid | £360,037 |
| Mitigated penalties imposed by local taxation authorities | £379,810 |
Cyclists (Rear Lamps)
asked the Minister of Transport whether he is aware of the general lack of knowledge upon the part of cyclists that as from 1st November, 1969, they may only use the new type of cycle rear lamp which complies with the improved technical specification British Standard 3648 and that cycle rear lamps BS 2516 will no longer be lawful, and whether he will publicise this by Press, radio and television advertisements.
The proposals have had considerable publicity.The Department issued a Press notice on 10th October reminding cyclists of the new requirements.
National Finance
Public Sector Purchasing
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asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer whether, in his proposed legislation on public sector purchasing, he will consider the desirability of including provision that purchasing authorities should refuse to make contracts with any supplier who practices racial or religious discrimination in employment policies.
The Government have been considering how their influence as a major purchaser of goods and services can best be used in the interests of discouraging racial discrimination. We have decided that the Standard Conditions of Government Contracts should be amended so as to require contractors in the United Kingdom to conform to the provisions of the Race Relations Act 1968 relating to discrimination in employment. Government Departments will be prepared to withhold contracts from firms practising racial discrimination in employment. Further legislation is not contemplated.
Scottish Bank Notes
asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer what instructions he has issued to customs officers on how to deal with United Kingdom tourists leaving the United Kingdom with quantities of Scottish bank notes additional to the permitted travel allowance.
asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department whether his regulations allow persons to leave the United Kingdom as tourists with Scottish bank notes additional to the permitted travel allowance in other notes.
I have been asked to reply to Question No. 44.Travellers leaving the United Kingdom are allowed to take with them up to an overall total of £15 in bank notes of countries within the sterling area. This includes Scottish bank notes.
asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer in view of the fact that it is easy to exchange Scottish bank notes outside the United Kingdom and difficult in England, if he will take steps to make such notes legal tender in England.
I will write to the hon. Member.
Scotland (National Accounts)
asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer when he intends to publish national accounts for Scotland.
I will write to the hon. Member.
Import Deposits
asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer how much of the £558 million currently held on deposit in respect of the import levy has been provided by overseas suppliers in foreign exchange; and whether these suppliers are free to repatriate this money as it is released by Her Majesty's Government.
Import deposits provided from overseas in foreign exchange (that is, from the non-sterling area) amount to over £25 million. Once the deposits are released, they can be repatriated.
Inland Revenue Department (Parliamentary Commissioner's Report)
asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer whether he has considered the disclosures of administrative breakdowns in the Inland Revenue Department contained in the memorandum of the Parliamentary Commissioner for Administration dated 16th May, 1969; and what action he proposes to take to secure an improvement.
I would refer the right hon. Gentleman to my reply to the hon. Member for Midlothian (Mr. Eadie) yesterday.
Central Heating Installations
asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer why he has arranged for the Inland Revenue to send out on a nationwide scale a form inquiring whether householders have installed central heating; and whether in view of the desirability in the national interest of central heating being fitted as widely as possible, he will reconsider this action.
Central heating affects the annual value of a dwelling house. The Question is therefore included in the form referred to by the hon. and gallant Member which is the statutory form asking householders for information needed for the purposes of the rating revaluation due to come into operation in 1973.
50P Coin
asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer if he is aware of the confusion which is caused by the introduction of the new 50p coin; and if he will take steps to produce a coin which is more readily identified by comparison with other coins of lesser value.
It would be a mistake to jump to premature conclusions on the basis of a week's experience. We shall need to see how the situation settles down over the coming months as traders and the public become familiar with the coin.
Income Tax (Children's Allowances)
asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer what is the cost to the public revenue in 1969–70 of tax allowances for children.
The cost of child allowances for 1969–70 is estimated to be about £700 million.
Public Building And Works
Ministerial Transport (Cost)
asked the Minister of Public Building and Works what was the total cost of Ministerial transport in the 12 months ending September, 1964, and September, 1969, respectively; how many cars and drivers were employed in each of those periods; and what was the average total of hours per week worked by Ministerial drivers in each period.
Figures are not readily available in the form requested, but for financial years the actual cost of Ministerial transport was:
- For 12 months ended March, 1964— £59,958.
- For 12 months ended March, 1965— £66,344.
- For 12 months ended March, 1969—£100,019.
- At end of September, 1964–36.
- At end of September, 1969–50.
Wales
Welsh Office Inspectors
asked the Secretary of State for Wales where in Wales the three Welsh members if the Panel of Inspectors live; what are their names; and when were they appointed.
The three members of the Panel of Inspectors who live in Wales are Mr. H. Deadman, C.B.E., until recently senior officer in Wales, Ministry of Power, who lives in Cardiff, Mr. J. Iles, O.B.E., until recently Town Clerk of Newport who lives in Newport and Mr. R. John, C.B.E., formerly Clerk of the Glamorgan County Council who lives in Cardiff. Mr. Iles and Mr. John were appointed on 26th September, 1969, and Mr. Deadman on 15th October, 1969.
Education And Science
Symphony Orchestras (Scotland)
asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science if he will make a statement on the effects of Government policies on the position of the symphony orchestras in Scotland; and if he will make a statement.
Assistance to the Scottish National Orchestra is a matter for the Scottish Arts Council, which will be making a grant of £115,000 to the orchestra this year. Responsibility for the B.B.C. Scottish Symphony Orchestra rests with the B.B.C. and I would refer the hon. Member to the statement made in the House of Commons on 16th October by my right hon. Friend the Minister for Posts and Telecommunications. The Scottish Arts Council is however at present engaged in preliminary discussions with the B.B.C. on the future role of this orchestra.The Committee of Inquiry into Orchestral Demands and Resources in Scotland, set up by the Scottish Arts Council, has not yet published its report. —[Vol. 788, c. 575–8.]
Metrication
asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science what is the estimated cost of changing over the books and other school equipment to the metric system; and how much money is now being allocated to county council education authorities in order that they may begin preparing for the changeover.
I would refer the hon. Member to the answer given on 14th July to the hon. Member for Cornwall, North (Mr. Pardoe).—[Vol. 787, c. 35.]
Immigrant Pupils
asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science whether he will now publish the figures for immigrant pupils in January, 1969, corresponding to those already published for 1968, and whether, in doing so, he will make clear the definition of immigrant which is used for this purpose.
The figures for immigrant pupils in January, 1969, are not yet available. It is hoped they will be in the near future. The definition of immigrant to which my Department at present works relates to:
(1) children born outside the British Isles who have come to this country with, or to join, parents or guardians whose countries of origin were abroad; and
Children from the Republic of Ireland and children of mixed immigrant and non-immigrant parentage are not included.This definition is published together with the relevant immigrant data in the annual "Statistics of Education, Vol. 1, Schools."(2) children born in the United Kingdom to parents whose countries of origin were abroad and who came to the United Kingdom on or after 1st January, 1959.
Milk Yield (Agricultural Research)
asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science what part agricultural research for which his Department is responsible has played in increasing the average milk yield.
Agricultural research has played a significant part in increasing milk yields from just over 600 gallons per cow per year twenty years ago to over 800 gallons now. In the debate on 21st July a figure of 1,000 gallons was mentioned. This is a herd average achieved by many well run herds, but is inaccurate as an expression of the national average milk yields.