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Written Answers

Volume 826: debated on Wednesday 24 November 1971

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Written Answers To Questions

Wednesday, 24th November, 1971

Environment

Tufnell Park Goods Depot

1.

asked the Secretary of State for the Environment what discussions have taken place between his Department, British Rail and the Islington Borough Council regarding the utilisation of Tufnell Park Goods Depot, N.19, for social development.

As this site is the subject of a planning appeal by the British Railways Board, it would not be proper for me to make any comment.

A5111 Bypass (Allestree)

2.

asked the Secretary of State for the Environment whether he can now announce if there is to be a public inquiry into the routing of the A5111 bypass through Allestree, Derby.

Railway Stations (Television Surveillance)

12.

asked the Secretary of State for the Environment whether he will issue a general direction to British Rail that, wherever television passenger surveillance techniques are employed at railway stations, passengers should be notified that these are operating.

Local Government Reform (Lincolnshire)

21.

asked the Secretary of State for the Environment what discussions he had with chairmen and officials of county councils within Lincolnshire prior to making a decision to seek to set up a new county council of Humberside.

My right hon. Friend's proposals for a Humberside county arose from a lack of local agreement on the most appropriate new areas, together with the circumstances arising from the decision on the new Humber bridge and the likely development of Humberside itself, rather than directly from representations made by local authorities. My hon. Friend the Under-Secretary of State is today visiting Humberside to hear authorities' views on our proposal.

Rural Bus Services

25.

asked the Secretary of State for the Environment what financial assistance is currently available from public funds to assist rural bus services; and what additional assistance he is proposing to make available.

The Government give the following assistance to rural bus services; half the cost of the local authorities' grant aid, the remainder being eligible for rate support grant; fuel tax rebate and new bus grant, the rate of which has recently been doubled.

Palace Of Westminster (Lighting Of Crypt)

28.

asked the Secretary of State for the Environment if he will take steps to improve the lighting in the Crypt of the Palace of Westminster.

I sympathise with my hon. Friend's proposal, and I am studying a scheme which might be proposed to the authorities responsible for the Crypt.

Rail Services

46.

asked the Secretary of State for the Environment what grants he proposes to make available to British Rail, Southern Region, for its commuter services; and how these compare with the commuter grants which were previously withdrawn.

Revenue grants will be paid to meet the difference between costs and earnings. Capital grants are available for worthwhile improvements to the system. Neither has been withdrawn.

57.

asked the Secretary of State for the Environment to what extent, when considering applications submitted to him by British Rail for closures of passenger rail services on grounds of unprofitability, he takes into account recommendations from the appropriate passenger transport consultative committees that the services concerned are socially necessary.

65.

asked the Secretary of State for the Environment when he will announce his Department's decision on the continuation of grant-aided schemes for those uneconomic railway lines whose grant expires on 31st December, 1971.

68.

asked the Secretary of State for the Environment what decisions have been taken regarding the future of the Norwich-Cromer and East Suffolk rail services.

To undertake to pay grant until the end of 1972; and, as with all grant-aided services, to keep them under continuing review.

69.

asked the Secretary of State for the Environment if he will now prepare a transportation plan providing for increased use of railways for the carrying of passengers and freight, together with a policy of positive discouragement of transporting heavy loads for long distances by road.

It is for the transport industry to develop in such a way as best meets the needs of its customers.

70.

asked the Secretary of State for the Environment what representations he has received about the Government Grants (Infrastructure Grants) referred to in the Railway Gazette, October 1971, a copy of which is in his possession.

Employment And Benefits Offices (Public Transport)

47.

asked the Secretary of State for the Environment if he will consider seeking powers to improve public transport facilities to employment exchanges and to the offices of the Supplementary Benefits Commission.

Luton Airport

48.

asked the Secretary of State for the Environment whether he will make a grant towards the expenses of the principal amenity group objecting at the forthcoming public inquiry to the proposals for the expansion of Luton Airport.

Housing (Tax Relief And Subsidies)

49.

asked the Secretary of State for the Environment what he estimates will be the net gain or loss from the combination over the next decade of the growth of mortgage tax relief or the redistribution of local authority housing subsidies to those in the income bands, respectively, under £1,000 a year. £1,001–£2,000, £2001–£5,000, and over £5,000 a year.

Such estimates would depend on many factors and assumptions and would not be reliable.

92.

asked the Secretary of State for the Environment by how much he estimates the present £155 million a year Government subsidy to council housing will increase by 1975–76, based on the anticipated growth in numbers of council houses by that year under existing subsidy provisions.

If the existing system continued, estimated net charges on the Consolidated Fund in connection with housing in England and Wales for 1975–76 might be about £550 million, as compared with about £350 million for 1971–72.

Refuse Disposal

50.

asked the Secretary of State for the Environment if he will make a statement on land available for future refuse disposal.

The availability of sites suitable for refuse disposal purposes is a matter for local authorities to consider. The form of the review of waste disposal facilities referred to in circular 26/71 is now in course of preparation and it is hoped that the opportunity will be taken in the course of this review to assemble information about the availability of further sites with particular regard to suitability for use in schemes of planned land reclamation.

Hovertrain Service

51.

asked the Secretary of State for the Environment whether he will take steps to ensure that advantages of British technology are used in Great Britain by enabling, through financial assistance, the first passenger-carrying hovertrain service based on it to be initiated in this country rather than abroad.

With the approval of my right hon. Friend the Secretary of State for Trade and Industry, the National Research Development Corporation is assisting development of the hovertrain. It is too early to make a commitment about its use on particular routes in Britain.

Surplus Land

52.

asked the Secretary of State for the Environment what is his policy with regard to land purchased in excess of requirements for roads, and land no longer required by his Department owing to improvement or diversion of old roads; and what advice he has given to highway authorities on this subject.

Subject to the Crichel Down procedure in respect of agricultural land and to first offer to other Government Departments and local authorities, the policy is to dispose of any surplus land as quickly as possible. The general advice which has been issued to local authorities about disposal of surplus land is applicable to local highway authorities.

Motorways (Crash Barriers)

53.

asked the Secretary of State for the Environment what is the mileage of new motorways on which it is not intended to install crash barriers before the motorways are opened, the additional cost which would have to be incurred to provide the barriers before the motorways are opened, and the estimated cost of providing the barriers at later dates.

Within the programme of 1,000 miles of motorway barrier by 1975, about 100 miles of new motorway will not be provided with barriers before opening. The cost of installing barriers prior to opening would have been approximately £13,000 per mile. The estimated cost of providing barriers at later dates is expected to be about £11,000 per mile.

Coach Parking (London)

54.

asked the Secretary of State for the Environment whether he will provide extra coach parking facilities in central London, on sites under his control, particularly during the peak tourist season; and what consultations he is having with the Greater London Council, the borough councils and the police to improve the situation generally.

My Department already provides over 100 coach parking places in Green Park and St. James's Park for the benefit of visitors to the Changing of the Guard at Buckingham Palace. The only other area available to me for this purpose is Horse Guards Parade and I hope the right hon. Gentleman will agree that in the broad interest of public amenity this parade should not be used as a coach-park. My Department is in continual touch with the Greater London Council, Westminster City Council and the police over the very difficult problem of coach parking in central London.

Fuel Burning (Sulphur Dioxide Emissions)

55.

asked the Secretary of State for the Environment what assistance he is giving to research into methods of reducing the level of sulphur dioxide emitted into the atmosphere as a result of the burning of fuel.

As far as low-level emissions are concerned what is most needed is not research, but action. This I am stimulating by pressing people to go ahead with smoke control. As regards power stations and other high-level emitters, I am considering whether any current research project merits financial support.

European Economic Community

56.

asked the Secretary of State for the Environment what changes in planning law and practice he envisages in the event of British accession to the European Economic Community.

None. The Treaty of Rome does not require harmonisation of laws on town and country planning.

73 and 96.

asked the Secretary of State for the Environment (1) why there is no official translation available of Common Market Regulation No. 70/222; what he is doing to make such a translation available; and when it will be available;(2) whether he will publish in the OFFICIAL REPORT an up-to-date list of regulations affecting his Department which are not available in an authenticated translated form.

English is not yet an official language of the Community but unofficial English texts of Community instruments, including No. 70/222, are available in the Library. As regards the preparation of authentic English texts, I would refer the hon. Member to the answer he received from my right hon. Friend the Lord President of the Council on 17th November, 1971.—[Vol. 826, c. 154.]

84.

asked the Secretary of State for the Environment if the draft memorandum prepared by the Commission of the European Economic Community, addressed to the Council of Ministers, outlining a Community policy for the environment, is under consideration; and if he will indicate Her Majesty's Government's policy towards the adoption of such a scheme in the United Kingdom.

The paper is being studied in preparation for discussions with the Commission next year.

101.

asked the Secretary of State for the Environment what estimate he has made of the additional cost of house purchase consequent upon the imposition of value-added tax at rates harmonised with those in the European Economic Community;and if he will make a statement.

I have been asked to reply.No such estimate has been made. As the Green Paper on V.A.T. indicates, special arrangements for housing will be needed for our value-added tax. The E.E.C. directives require member States to introduce a common system of V.A.T., but the coverage and rates of V.A.T. are not yet harmonised. As a member State, we should, of course, be able to participate fully in any future discussions or decisions on harmonisation.

asked the Secretary of State for the Environment whether he will initiate discussions with the European Economic Community to ascertain to what extent British control of the size and type of heavy lorries entering this country from the countries of the Six will contravene the rules and regulations of the European Economic Community, and if he will publish the outcome in the OFFICIAL REPORT.

asked the Secretary of State for the Environment on what date he received a communication from the Royal Automobile Club concerning the effects on British motorists, the motor industry and British roads of Great Britain's entry into the European Economic Community; whether he will publish details of this communication in the OFFICIAL REPORT together with his reply, and state when such a reply was sent; and whether he will invite representatives of the Royal Automobile Club to discuss these problems with him.

The answer to the first part of the Question is "21st September"; the answer to the second part is "No".

asked the Secretary of State for the Environment whether Great Britain's entry into the European Economic Community will necessitate a change in the rule of the road to driving on the right; and what is his estimate of the cost to the economy of such a change over.

asked the Secretary of State for the Environment to what extent he expects Great Britain's entry into the Common Market will have an effect on the environmental conditions of British towns and villages due to the free entry into Great Britain from the European Economic Community of heavier, longer and larger lorries; and to what extent he will still be able to control the size of such vehicles as at present.

No. E.E.C. standards yet exist for vehicle weights and dimensions. When such standards come into operation they will be binding on member States, but local authorities will retain the freedom to impose traffic regulation orders.

asked the Secretary of State for the Environment to what extent Great Britain's entry into the Common Market will necessitate the adoption of the motorway laws, rules and regulations of the countries of the Six.

To the extent that these are contained in agreed regulations and directives.

asked the Secretary of State for the Environment whether he will publish in the OFFICIAL REPORT a statement giving the general effect of the implementation of the European Economic Community rules and regulations, European Coal and Steel Community rules and regulations E1-E1331 and any others that may fall within his ministerial responsibilities.

Regional Housing Authority (London)

58.

asked the Secretary of State for the Environment if he will introduce legislation to establish a regional housing authority for Greater London.

Yorkshire And Humberside (Motorways)

59.

asked the Secretary of State for the Environment if he will make a statement about the present programme to link Yorkshire and Humberside into the motorway network.

Schemes in preparation or subject to feasibility studies will, when added to the existing trunk road network and to the schemes already under way, provide high standard communications both within the region and to the rest of the country.

Box Girder Bridges (Bristol)

60.

asked the Secretary of State for the Environment if he will make a statement setting out progress being made in the re-assessment of steel box girder bridges including those in and around the City of Bristol.

Reassessment of steel box girder bridges is progressing as quickly as the very detailed procedures permit. It should be completed for the Aust and Wye Bridges in early 1972. I expect erection of the Avonmouth Bridge to recommence shortly. The Cumberland Basin Bridge is owned by the City of Bristol and is a matter for that authority.

Mercury Cell Hearing Aid Batteries

61.

asked the Secretary of State for the Environment if he will introduce legislation to enable local authorities to collect and dispose of mercury cell hearing aid batteries in such a way as to ensure that mercury pollution hazards to health will be minimised.

When issuing replacement batteries for children's hearing aids the Post Office already collects the used batteries; and I welcome the initiative of the main manufacturer in trying to make similar arrangements for batteries bought privately. I aim to reduce as far as practicable the escape of any mercury into the environment.

Council Houses (Building Programme)

62.

asked the Secretary of State for the Environment what target figure he has established for the building of council houses during the years 1972, 1973 and 1974, respectively.

Blyth (Town Centre Redevelopment)

63.

asked the Secretary of State for the Environment why he has refused to assist Blyth Borough Council in regard to the proposed town centre redevelopment scheme; what alternative proposals have been suggested; and if he will make a statement.

The council's application for an additional capital allocation from the special programme for development and intermediate areas related solely to the purchase of land and thus did not satisfy the conditions of that programme. The redevelopment scheme is eligible for consideration within the county area arrangements for locally determined schemes.

House Prices

64.

asked the Secretary of State for the Environment what action he is taking in view of the rise of 17 points during the latest 12-month period in the endex of average prices of new private houses prepared by his Department.

The most effective way of restraining the rise in house prices is to increase the number of houses available for sale, and the Government's policies are doing just this. The number of new houses for private owners started in the third quarter of this year was 11,000 more than in the same period last year.

87.

asked the Secretary of State for the Environment what has been the effect on new house prices of the reduction in selective employment tax.

It is estimated that the reduction in selective employment tax has resulted in a decrease of between 1 and 2 per cent. in building costs for new houses, but it is not possible to isolate the effect of the tax cut from the other factors influencing house prices.

94.

asked the Secretary of State for the Environment what has been the increased amount in the average price of new private houses in the Northern Region for the latest 12-month period.

The average price of new private houses in the three northern regions of England mortgaged with building societies is estimated to have been £4,530 in the 12 months ending in September, 1971, compared with £4,230 in the previous 12 months.

Pedestrians (Assistance)

66.

asked the Secretary of State for the Environment when he expects to publish his Manual for Assistance to Pedestrians.

Harassment And Illegal Eviction

67.

asked the Secretary of State for the Environment in view of the statement in Fair Deal for Housing that the Government will take the earliest legislative opportunity to propose increases in the maximum penalties for harassment and illegal eviction, whether he proposes to introduce legislation to this effect before 31st December, 1971.

I reiterate the Government's intention to act on this at the first legislative opportunity, but I cannot yet give any indication as to timing.

M6 (Fog Warning)

71.

asked the Secretary of State for the Environment what instructions he has issued that certain fog warnings be removed from the M6 in Staffordshire; and whether he will make a statement.

I am increasing the spacing of the flashing amber light signals from one mile to two miles on motorways generally to release equipment for motorways opening in the next few months. As regards M6 in Staffordshire, I am considering representations from the county council.

Bridges And Level Crossings (Costs)

74.

asked the Secretary of State for the Environment if he will introduce legislation to arrange equal sharing of costs between railways and highway authorities for bridges and level crossings.

Motor Cars (Passenger Safety Belts)

72.

asked the Secretary of State for the Environment what evaluation he has made of the effectiveness of his campaign in the north-east of England between 23rd August and 3rd October, 1971 to encourage car drivers to use safety belts.

After the recent publicity campaign in the North-East the proportion of front seat car occupants wearing seat belts was about 28 per cent.—double the level before the campaign.

Buses (Grants)

75.

asked the Secretary of State for the Environment when he intends to introduce legislation to give grants towards the cost of new buses, and if he will describe such legislation, in view of the uncertainty thereon which is causing bus companies to defer orders for buses.

The powers already exist under Section 32 of the Transport Act, 1968. The rate of grant on approved capital expenditure has recently been increased to 50 per cent. and the duration of the scheme to 1980.

St Ives (Bypass)

76.

asked the Secretary of State for the Environment when he proposes to announce his decision with regard to the line of the proposed bypass and new Bridge at St. Ives, Huntingdonshire.

What my right hon. Friend has to decide at this stage is not the line of the bypass but what course he and the highway authority should follow to ensure that possible alternatives to the original line are properly considered. I expect my Department to be in touch with the county council in a week or two on this.

Railway Line (North Warwickshire)

77.

asked the Secretary of State for the Environment what local authorities he consulted outside the West Midlands Passenger Transport Authority before his decision on a grant for the North Warwickshire railway line; when these consultations took place; and whether these local authorities indicated their willingness to make a financial contribution to the cost of retaining the line.

I understand that in 1969 the Passenger Transport Executive consulted the local authorities within whose area the line runs, and that only one was then prepared to make any contribution. Since then my Department has received representations from some of these local authorities, but no further offers of financial help.

asked the Secretary of State for the Environment whether he is willing to give a grant to British Rail in order to retain the North Warwickshire line in view of the fact that the West Midlands Passenger Transport Authority has now decided that the line merits its financial support; what estimate he has made of the loss made by the line; when this estimate was made; and whether the estimate takes into account the revenue received from the increased use of the line for freight services.

The Railways Board made its estimate of the deficit for 1972 this month. Taking freight traffic into account, the board expects this to be about £340,000.My Department is now discussing the question of grant with the Passenger Transport Executive.

98.

asked the Secretary of State for the Environment whether he considered the fact that the North Warwickshire railway line serves an area outside the West Midlands Passenger Transport Authority before he decided whether he would make a grant to the line; and what proportion of the cost of retaining the line he has estimated to be due to this part of the line.

The answer to the first part of the Question is "Yes". The hypothetical allocation requested in the second part has not been calculated.

Roads (Lights)

78.

asked the Secretary of State for the Environment if he has completed his consideration on the question of the installation of lighting on all motorways and trunk roads; and whether he will make a statement.

I am at present considering the case for lighting motorways. For trunk roads I see no justification for departing from my present policy of installing lighting on a priority system on the estimated saving in night accidents.

Housing (Liverpool)

79.

asked the Secretary of State for the Environment what discussions he has held with the Liverpool City Council about their plans for solving the housing problem in Liverpool; and what was their outcome.

My right hon. Friend visited Liverpool in June and he and I have met the leader of Liverpool City Council on a number of occasions to discuss a wide variety of subjects. The regional office of the Department is regularly in touch with Liverpool City Council.

Planning Permissions (Expiry)

80.

asked the Secretary of State for the Environment what steps he proposes to take to warn owners of land of the expiry of certain planning permissions on 1st April, 1972, under the Town and Country Planning Act, 1968.

I am issuing shortly copies of a poster for display by local authorities in appropriate places reminding the public that outline planning permissions granted before 1st April, 1969, will in general lapse on 1st April, 1972; application for approval of reserve matters or for renewal of permission should be made by that date. The attention of the Press will be drawn to this.

Petrol (Lead Additives)

81.

asked the Secretary of State for the Environment whether he plans by legislation to limit lead additives in petrol.

I will be making an announcement in the near future of what further controls over atmospheric pollution by motor vehicles I consider necessary. I am paying particularly close attention to the use of lead additives in fuel.

Horse Guards Parade (Coach Parking)

82.

asked the Secretary of State for the Environment whether he will permit the use of Horse Guards Parade for the parking of coaches.

Housing (Islington)

83.

asked the Secretary of State for the Environment if he will specify the nature of the special assistance which he proposes to offer the London Borough of Islington in respect of its housing difficulties.

Islington, with its severe housing problems, should get substantial aid under the new housing finance arrangements by way of increased subsidies. In addition, the recent increase in the London regional yardstick will have the effect of increasing the subsidisable limit on its building schemes by about 11 per cent.

Pedestrian Crossings (London)

85.

asked the Secretary of State for the Environment when he proposes to bring into operation Section 32 of the Transport (London) Act 1969, allowing the Greater London Council to assume responsibility for the authorisation of pedestrian crossings in the Greater London area.

Roads (Durham)

86.

asked the Secretary of State for the Environment when he expects to give a decision on the list of urban and inter-urban schemes submitted to him by Durham County Council in connection with the extension to the Principal Roads Preparation List.

I hope to announce the details of the £500–£600 million next instalment of the principal roads preparation list early next year.

Mineral Workings (Planning Permission)

88.

asked the Secretary of State for the Environment whether he will introduce a Bill to ensure that a new planning application must be submitted for the re-opening of mineral workings where extraction has not taken place for three or more years.

The local authority associations recently represented that the exercise of planning control over mineral workings presented difficulties in this and other respects. I will be discussing these matters with the associations and thereafter as necessary with the minerals industry.

103.

asked the Secretary of State for the Environment whether he will take steps to make mineral exploration subject to planning permission, in view of the damage it can do to the environment, especially in areas designated as of outstanding natural beauty.

Those types of exploration which may cause damage to the environment would normally be of such a nature as to constitute development and would need planning permission.

Housing Finance (Lewisham)

89.

asked the Secretary of State for the Environment what is his estimate of the sum of money to be made available by the Government to the London Borough of Lewisham as a result of his announcement that the Council can spend 50 per cent. more than the Government controlled allowance on housing.

The recent increase in the London regional yardstick variation will have the effect of increasing the subsidisable limit on schemes undertaken by Lewisham by about 11 per cent. The additional subsidy payable as a result of this increase depends on the number and size of schemes put to tender and will also be affected by the new housing finance arrangements. It is not possible to give a precise estimate of the sum involved at this stage.

Slum Clearance

90.

asked the Secretary of State for the Environment how many houses will have to be cleared annually to fulfil his recent estimate that all the slums can be removed by 1980.

Community And Sports Complex (Birmingham)

91.

asked the Secretary of State for the Environment what representations he has received for the provision of a Community and Sports Complex beneath the M1, M5, M6 motorway link road where it crosses Beeches Road, Perry Barr, Birmingham.

I am keen to see that the very best use is made of the space beneath elevated motorways for sport and other activities. Discussions about this particular scheme are being held by my Department with the Birmingham Corporation.

Rate Rebate Scheme

93.

asked the Secretary of State for the Environment whether he proposes to alter the income limits for the rate rebate scheme to take account of the recent increase in pensions and other benefits; and if he will make a statement.

Yes. My right hon. Friend proposes shortly to lay before Parliament a draft Order under paragraph 14 of Schedule 9 to the General Rate Act, 1967, increasing with effect from 1st April, 1972, the income limits for entitlement to rate rebates to £12 a week for a single person and to £14·75 a week for a married couple. The dependent child's addition will be increased at the same time to £2·50.

Passenger Transport Authorities

95.

asked the Secretary of State for the Environment if he will set up passenger transport authorities in areas other than large conurbations.

Water Supply And Sewage Disposal

97.

asked the Secretary of State for the Environment if he will leave water supply and sewage disposal undertakings under the control of local government.

My right hon. Friend intends to make an announcement on the future organisation of water services very shortly.

Whitehall Public Inquiry (Report)

99.

asked the Secretary of State for the Environment why the report of the Whitehall Public Inquiry, which was submitted to the Secretary of State for the Environment a year ago, has not yet been published.

The report raised many complex issues. It will be published when I am in a position to make a statement on it.

M4, Swindon (Telephone Facilities)

100.

asked the Secretary of State for the Environment if he is aware of the danger to motorists on the newly opened stretch of the M4 motorway at Swindon due to the shortage of emergency telephone facilities, and if he will take urgent action to remedy the situation.

Owing to the shortage of equipment, telephones are, for the time being, two miles apart instead of the usual one mile. More equipment is on order.

Non-Returnable Containers (Wandsworth)

102.

asked the Secretary of State for the Environment whether he has received a protest from the London Borough of Wandsworth about pollution of the environment by non-returnable containers; and what action he proposes to take to assist local authorities to cope with the problem.

The London Borough of Wandsworth wrote to the Department of the Environment on 5th November drawing attention to the increasing use of non-returnable containers of all types, but particularly drink containers made of plastic or tin, and the effect on the litter collection and refuse collection and disposal services of local authorities. Proper disposal of used drink containers to dustbins and litter bins does not constitute a threat of pollution of the environment, but consideration is being given to the problems arising from the growth of various forms of packaging in the light of the comments of the Working Party on Refuse Disposal. In this connection, I would refer to the reply given to the hon. Member for Wood Green (Mrs. Joyce Butler) on 16th November, 1971.—[Vol. 826, c. 118.]

Foreign Goods Vehicles

asked the Secretary of State for the Environment what plans he has to seek to increase the powers of enforcement of the control of foreign goods vehicles entering the United Kingdom.

A Bill seeking to secure the effective enforcement of existing road traffic laws on foreign commercial vehicles has been introduced in another place.

Council Houses (Sale)

asked the Secretary of State for the Environment if he will list those local authorities which are not selling council houses.

Machinery Noise

asked the Secretary of State for the Environment if he will take steps to introduce statutory limitations on the noise output of machinery.

I am consulting interested bodies about the recommendations on this and related matters in the recently published report of a working group of the Noise Advisory Council on "Neighbourhood Noise".

Offices (Rent And Rates)

asked the Secretary of State for the Environment what information is available in his Department as to the average difference in rent and rates per square foot of new office space in the central areas of London, Liverpool and Manchester, respectively.Mr. Channon The average difference between central areas of London, other than the City of London, and Liverpool and Manchester is approximately £5·35 for rent and 85p for rates, and £5·10 for rent and 60p for rates, per square foot respectively.

Bridport Bypass

asked the Secretary of State for the Environment when he will be in a position to announce the proposed route of the Bridport bypass.

Palace Of Westminster (Custodians)

asked the Secretary of State for the Environment what are the basic weekly rates of pay for Custodians of the Palace of Westminster, the current rates of overtime and the total amount of back pay on overtime now owed by his Department; and if he is satisfied with the efficiency of the current payment procedures.

Custodians are paid on an annual salary scale of £1,144–£1,212 and senior custodians on the scale £1,292–£1,336. Overtime rates vary from 65p to 76p per hour. I am satisfied that the payment of arrears of overtime, which total about £1,700, is being given proper priority.

Building Applications And Appeals

asked the Secretary of State for the Environment (1) if he will state the number of applications for building permission made to local planning authorities, and the number of such applications which have been refused for the years 1966, 1967, 1968, 1970 and 1971 to the nearest convenient date;(2) if he will state the number of applications for building permission received by local planning authorities in respect of individual dwellings for the years 1966, 1967, 1968, 1969, 1970 and 1971 to the nearest convenient date; how many such applications were refused; and how many appeals have been made to him in respect of such refusals.

Information in the precise form requested is not available. Statistics of planning applications and appeals decided are published annually in the Handbook of Statistics (Local Government, Housing and Planning) and, in respect of planning applications for 1970, in the Statistics for Town and Country Planning (Series 1, Planning decisions). These publications are in the Library of the House. Statistics for 1971 are not available.

asked the Secretary of State for the Environment how many appeals have been adjudicated upon by his Department for the years 1966, 1967, 1968, 1970 and 1971 to the nearest convenient date, either by written representations or by public inquiry; and how many such appeals were refused.

The information relating to appeals under Section 23 of the Town and Country Planning Act. 1962, is as follows:

Appeals decided by
YearWritten representationsInquiryNumber refused
19664,0224,5576,707
19673,6804,4186,219
19683,6752,9834,984
19702,6812,7733,967
1971 to end October2,0842,2973,376

asked the Secretary of State for the Environment what is the number of appeals against local planning decisions referred to him and his predecessors in the years 1966, 1967, 1968, 1969, 1970 and 1971 to the nearest convenient date, the number resolved on the basis of written representations, the total cost incurred by his Department each year of consequent action taken necessitated by all appeals, and the total cost incurred by the local planning authorities.

The information relating to appeals under Section 23 of the Town and Country Planning Act, 1962, is as follows:

YearNumber of Appeals madeNumber of Appeals decided by written representations
196611,0884,022
196710,0903,680
19689,5933,675
19698,2123,141
19708,3622,681
1971 to end October7,9262,084
I regret that the rest of the information is not available.

asked the Secretary of State for the Environment what is the average period of time taken to hear appeals by the inquiry procedure and what were the number of occasions when the time lag between the hearing of the appeal and the issuing of the inspector's report has exceeded nine months and 12 months, respectively, the number of such appeals now outstanding, and the time he estimates it will take to hear such outstanding appeals.

The average periods are currently 43 weeks for planning appeals decided by the Secretary of State and 31 weeks for those transferred to inspectors. I will write to the hon. Member about the information requested in the second part of the Question.

Portsmouth (Shopping Precinct)

asked the Secretary of State for the Environment whether he will make a progress report on the consideration by his Department of the proposals for a shopping precinct in Commercial Road, Portsmouth.

The council was asked on 11th November to hold a public inquiry into the proposals.

Discretionary Grants

asked the Secretary of State for the Environment if he is satisfied that there is no abuse of the discretionary grant scheme, as applied to holiday property used for commercial lettings; and if he will make a statement.

Local authorities approve applications for discretionary grants on their merits. My right hon. Friend has no proposals to introduce restrictive conditions which could slow down the rate of house improvement.

Rents

asked the Secretary of State for the Environment whether he will publish in the OFFICIAL REPORT a detailed statement giving as much information as may be available of rents in general, and council rents in particular, showing the average rent charged separately for one, two, three, and four bedroomed houses and flats, respectively, in each of the major British cities and on a national average; and whether he will obtain and publish similar details for each of the countries in the European Economic Community.

Information on council rents is already published in the annual "Housing Statistics" of the Institute of Municipal Treasurers and Accountants. Information on regulated registered rents in the private sector is given from time to time in the quarterly "Housing Statistics, Great Britain". Copies of both these publications are available in the Library. Similar information for E.E.C. countries cannot be obtained at reasonable expense.

National Building Agency

asked the Secretary of State for the Environment whether a decision has been reached on the future of the National Building Agency.

The Government have concluded that the National Building Agency still has a valuable contribution to make in housing and construction. They have decided, however, that the agency should operate on a self-supporting basis, and the annual grant will be phased out by 1st April, 1974.

Motor Vehicles (Loading)

asked the Secretary of State for the Environment when he expects the consultations on preparing a code of practice on safe loading to be completed; and when he expects to be able to present the code for publication.

I refer the hon. Member to the answer I gave to my hon. Friend the Member for Leominster (Sir Clive Bossom) on 10th November.—[Vol. 825, c. 159.]

asked the Secretary of State for the Environment how many prosecutions for causing danger by reason of load, weight distribution, packing or adjustment were initiated in the year 1970 as a result of road safety spot checks by his Department's traffic examiners; and how many of the prosecutions were successful.

I regret that the information is not available in the form requested. In 1970 2,733 prosecutions were brought for overloading offences; over 90 per cent. were successful.

Motor Vehicle Windscreens

asked the Secretary of State for the Environment what steps are being taken by his Department in connection with the development of a motor vehicle front windscreen which will offer little resistance to the impact of a person inside the car in the event of accident.

None. Toughened safety glass, with which the majority of British cars are equipped, minimises the force of impact.

asked the Secretary of State for the Environment what steps are being taken by his Department in connection with the problem of the shattering of motor vehicle front windscreens as a result of resonance set up by the road surface.

I know of no evidence to suggest that such resonance is a factor in damage to windscreens.

Road Accidents

asked the Secretary of State for the Environment (1) what estimate he has made of the rise in the number of accidents caused by loose material on roads over the period from 1960 to 1970;(2) what estimate he has made of the rise in the number of accidents caused by material falling from lorries over the period from 1960 to 1970.

Estimates are not available since the relevant information is not specified in the accident reports.

Peterlee

asked the Secretary of State for the Environment whether he has yet decided on the siting at Peterlee of the centre for transport and land use studies; and if he will make a statement.

No decision has yet been taken to set up such a centre but Peterlee will, of course, be considered if it is decided to do so.

Scotland

Off-Shore Islands (Communications)

104.

asked the Secretary of State for Scotland what further steps he is taking to improve communications between the mainland of Scotland and her off-shore islands.

My responsibility is confined to sea transport services operated by subsidiaries of the Scottish Transport Group and by private operators subsidised by the Government. With the assistance of substantial Government grants for terminals, modern roll on-roll off services are being progressively introduced, to the benefit of the island communities.

Minerals Prospecting

asked the Secretary of State for Scotland what licences he is issuing for prospecting for minerals in the Highlands of Scotland; and what licences have been issued and to whom.

Chronically Sick And Disabled Persons Act, 1970

asked the Secretary of State for Scotland if he will detail in the OFFICIAL REPORT which authorities in Scotland have complied with Section 25 of the Chronically Sick and Disabled Persons Act, 1970.

Scottish education authorities make use of the provision at Condover Hall School for the Blind, Shrewsbury, for the very small number of children in Scotland who suffer the dual handicap of blindness and deafness.

asked the Secretary of State for Scotland if he will detail in the OFFICIAL REPORT which authorities in Scotland have complied with Section 26 of the Chronically Sick and Disabled Persons Act, 1970.

Education authorities are aware of the problem of identifying and diagnosing children with autistic symptoms, and are seeking to tackle it. Specific provision for autistic children is still at an early stage.

asked the Secretary of State for Scotland if he will detail in the OFFICIAL REPORT which authorities in Scotland have complied with Section 27 of the Chronically Sick and Disabled Persons Act, 1970.

Remedial education for children with reading difficulties is provided in all areas. Specific difficulties are treated by the child guidance clinics.

Day Nurseries

asked the Secretary of State for Scotland how many local authority day nurseries have been opened in Scotland; and if he will give the areas where no day nurseries have been provided.

At 31st December, 1970, there were 72 day nurseries in Scotland run by 18 local authorities. Provision for young children is also made in nursery schools and pre-school playgroups. No day nurseries had then been provided by the following local authorities, but in some of these areas day nurseries were provided by voluntary organisations and private individuals:—

Large Burghs
Airdrie.Greenock
Arbroath.Hamilton.
Ayr.Inverness.
Coatbridge.Kirkcaldy.
Dumbarton.Motherwell & Wishaw.
Dumfries.
Dunfermline.Port Glasgow.
East Kilbride.
Counties
Argyll.Orkney.
Ayr.Perth & Kinross.
Banff.Renfrew.
Berwick.Ross & Cromarty.
Bute.Roxburgh
Caithness.Selkirk
Dumfries.Sutherland.
Inverness.West Lothian.
Kircudbright.Wigtown.
Lanark.Zetland.
Moray & Nairn.

Gartsherrie Site (Rehabilitation)

asked the Secretary of State for Scotland what consideration he has given to the plans submitted to him for the rehabilitation of Gartsherrie Site, Coatbridge, for the purpose of attracting new industries; and if he will give details of acres of land involved, the cost, and the grant which this project will attract.

Crofts (Owner-Occupation)

asked the Secretary of State for Scotland if he will now give the date on which he will announce his decision on the proposals of the Crofters Commission on owner-occupation of crofts.

Consultations with interested organisations are not yet complete. I hope to announce my decision as soon as possible thereafter.

Health And Social Work (Additional Expenditure)

asked the Secretary of State for Scotland how much of the additional £118 million to be devoted to development of health and social work services is being made available in Scotland.

£12 million over the next four years. This is additional to the £11 million which I was able to announce in the House last November.About £7½ million will be made available to the health service, primarily for improvement of hospital facilities, especially those for the elderly and mentally disordered. I am making provision also to meet expenditure arising out of the reorganisation of the National Health Service.About £4½ million of the additional provision is intended for further development of social work services. This will enable the local authorities to increase by £3½ million their building programmes of residential homes and day centres for the elderly, the mentally disordered, the physically disabled, children in care and others in need of help. The balance will be available for further development in social work services, including increased staffing and additional assistance towards services provided by voluntary bodies. I have just asked the local authorities to let me know, after consultation with voluntary bodies and other agencies, of their proposals for the development of the social work services over the next six years.

Capital Offences

asked the Lord Advocate if he will list the capital offences still in existence in Scotland.

Treason, and certain offences under the Army Act, 1955, the Air Force Act, 1955 and the Naval Discipline Act, 1957, as amended by the Armed Forces Act, 1971.

Posts And Telecommunications

Giro

105.

asked the Minister of Posts and Telecommunications what employment prospects for future school-leavers he anticipates within the Post Office Giro service.

That is a matter for the Post Office to consider in the light of the statement I made to the House on 17th November.

Foreign Telephone Directories (Availability)

asked the Minister of Posts and Telecommunications if he will give a general direction to the Post Office to improve the availability of Continental and North American telephone directories in the United Kingdom.

No. A general direction would not be appropriate. It would be uneconomic for the Post Office to maintain stocks of all the many foreign telephone directories but any directory will, subject to availability from abroad, be sold by the Post Office either on an occasional or standing order basis. Page 432 of the current issue of the Post Office Guide tells subscribers how to obtain foreign directories from their telephone manager. The more popular directories are obtained regularly for public reference libraries.

Trade And Industry

Night Flying

106.

asked the Secretary of State for Trade and Industry if he will give an assurance that the ban on night time take-offs from Heathrow Airport is not part of a general policy designed ultimately to transfer the noise nuisance to Essex and Kent by concentrating night flights at the proposed Foulness Airport.

The ban on summer jet take-offs at night from Heathrow is intended to give immediate relief to an area where the noise problem is at its worst. Foulness is unlikely to be operational before 1980 and the regime for night flying there can be determined nearer this date.

Newark (Employment)

asked the Secretary of State for Trade and Industry if he is aware that in the Newark constituency Messrs. Ransome Hoffman and Pollard, ball-bearing manufacturers, have sacked over 300 employees, that Messrs. Worthington Simpson have several hundred employees on short time and that Messrs. W. and J. B. Eastwood's poultry packing station has sacked 60 workers; and what action he proposes to ensure full employment in the area following the representations of the hon. Member for Newark.

I am well aware that the loss of these jobs and the short-term working are serious matters for Newark. The Government have taken an unprecedented series of measures to expand the economy, and, as these take effect, I would expect Newark to share in the greater employment that should follow.

Affinity Group Charter Flights

asked the Secretary of State for Trade and Industry what action he is taking in view of the increasing disregard of the regulations governing affinity group charter flights.

This country has not been alone in finding it difficult to police these rules by traditional methods. None the less, the widespread abuse that has taken place this year cannot be allowed to continue and the Government are determined to bring the situation under control. To this end, provision has been made in Section 26 of the Civil Aviation Act, 1971, for the licensing of air travel organisers, and arrangements for this will be introduced as soon as possible after the Civil Aviation Authority comes into operation next spring.A major obstacle to effective control is the fact that the class of air service licence, known as an E licence, under which affinity groups are usually carried is of a general character and does not provide for the prior scrutiny of the groups. The Air Transport Licensing Board has now decided to add a condition to these licences to be issued for 1972 under which the airlines will be required to submit, three months in advance, particulars of all the groups they propose to carry between points more than 2,250 miles apart. The Air Transport Licensing Board will then ask the airlines to apply for specific licences in respect of any groups about whose qualification the Board is in doubt so that any such case may be fully examined. The carriage of such a group under an E licence would be regarded by the Board as ground for considering revocation of that licence.My Department will assist the Air Transport Licensing Board in the scrutiny of groups. I am also increasing the number of investigating officers available to conduct spot chacks. An airline which breaches the rules will risk prosecution as well as the loss of its E licence.In parallel with these measures, I have been reviewing the regulations to see whether a new type of charter travel might be introduced that could be made available to the public at large without those features of the affinity group rules

1. The Law Commission's Proposals
Titles of Relevant ReportsDate of PublicationImplemented
Civil Liability for Animals (Law Com. No. 13)21.12.67Animals Act 1971 (c. 22).
Proceedings against Estates (Law Com. No. 19)2. 5.69Proceedings against Estates Act 1970 (c. 17).
Proposal for the Abolition of the Matrimonial Remedy of Restitution of Conjugal Rights (Law Com. No. 23).26. 8.69Matrimonial Proceedings and Property Act 1970 (c. 45)
Exemption Clauses in Contracts. First Report: Amendments to the Sale of Goods Act 1893.18. 9.69Legislation this Session.
Financial Provision in Matrimonial Proceedings (Law Com. No. 25).23. 9.69Matrimonial Proceedings and Property Act 1970 (c. 45); Law Reform (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 1970 (c. 33)
Breach of Promise of Marriage (Law Com. No. 26)15.10.69Law Reform (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 1970 (c. 33)
Statute Law Revision: Second Report. Draft Wild Creatures and Forest Laws Bill (Law Com. No. 28).4. 8.70Wild Creatures and Forest Laws Act 1971 (c. 47)
Criminal Law: Offences of Damage to Property (Law Com. No. 29).16. 9.70Criminal Damage Act 1971 (c. 48)
Powers of Attorney (Law Com. No. 30)23. 9.70Powers of Attorney Act 1971 (c. 27)

which are objectionable in themselves or have been difficult to enforce. One possibility might be to adopt for charter flights the advance booking concept which has already been made familiar by B.O.A.C.'s "Early Bird" fares. On this basis, anybody would be able to obtain low-cost flights who booked a certain period in advance, without needing to join a group of any kind.

These proposals and other ideas are still under discussion with other countries, and it will not be possible to give precise details until our talks have been completed. I cannot say whether we shall be able to introduce new arrangements during 1972, although I should like to. I hope, however, to make a further statement in the new year.

Law Reform

asked the Attorney-General if he will indicate what further progress has been made with law reform since his answer to the Question on the matter by the hon. Member for Newark on 3rd February, 1971; and if he will detail in the OFFICIAL REPORT the subjects dealt with and those awaiting attention.

I presume that the hon. Gentleman is referring to the Question to which a Written Answer was given by my predecessor on 6th February, 1970. Since that date the following further progress in the field of law reform has been made:

Titles of Relevant Reports

Date of Publication

Implemented

Administration Bonds, Personal Representatives' Right of Retainer and Preference and related matters (Law Com. No. 31).15.10.70Administration of Estates Act 1971 (c. 25)
Nullity of Marriage (Law Com. No. 33)4.12.70Nullity of Marriage Act 1971 (c. 44)
Hague Convention on Recognition of Divorces and Legal Separations (Joint Report with Scottish Law Commission) (Law Com. No. 34).1.12.70Recognition of Divorces and Legal Separations Act 1971 (c. 53).
Limitation Act 1963 (Law Com. No. 35)25.11.70Law Reform (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 1971 (c. 43)
Statute Law Revision: Third Report. Draft Statute Law (Repeals) Bill (Law Com. No. 37).15.12.70Statute Law (Repeals) Act 1971 (c. 52)
Civil Liability of Vendors and Lessors for Defective Premises (Law Com. No. 40).16.12.70No.
Report on Polygamous Marriages (Law Com. No. 42).3. 2.71No.1
Taxation of Income and Gains derived from Land (Joint Report with Scottish Law Commission) (Law Com. No. 43)23. 4.71No.

2. Other Law Reform Measures
Administration of Justice Act 1970.2
Part II of the Law Reform (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 1971.3
Administration of Estates Act 1971.4
Courts Act 1971.5
Land Registration and Land Charges Act 1971.
13 Consolidation Acts (3 more have been introduced this session).
3. Reports under Consideration
Law Reform Committee's 12th Report on Transfer of Title to Chattels.6
The Law Reform Committee's 14th Report on Acquisition of Easements and Profits by Prescription.7
The Wilberforce Committee's Report on Positive Covenants affecting land.7
The remaining Recommendations of the Winn Committee and the Payne Committee.
The Law Reform Committee's 17th Report on Evidence of Opinion and Expert

Evidence.8

The Law Reform Committee's 18th Report on Conversion and Detinue.
The Brodrick Report on Death Certification and Coroners.
4. Matters to which consideration is being given.9
(a) By the Law Reform Committee:
(i) interpretation of wills;
(ii) limitation of actions.
(b) By the Criminal Law Revision Committee:
(i) evidence in criminal cases;
(ii) offences against the person.
(c) By the Committees set up by the Government:
(i) the law of defamation;
(ii) the law of contempt of court.
(d) By the Committee on torts containing a foreign element: The draft Hague Convention on Products Liability.
(e) By a Working Party under the Chairman of the Law Commission: Family Courts.

Notes:

1 The Matrimonial Proceedings (Polygamous Marriages) Bill which was given a Second Reading by the House of Lords on 9th July last lapsed at the end of the Session.

2 Implements certain recommendations of the Payne Committee on the Enforcement of Judgment Debts and the Winn Committee on Personal Injuries Litigation. Part of this Act has now been consolidated with other related enactments in the Attachment of Earnings Act 1971.

3 Amends the law relating to damages payable to widows in fatal accidents cases, and abolishes the control by the courts over such damages.

4 In addition to implementing the Law Commission's 31st Report, this Act amended the law relating to the resealing of probate.

5 Implements the Report of the Royal Commission on Assizes and Quarter Sessions and one of the recommendations in the Banks Committee Report on the British Patent System.

6 The subject matter of this Report is being further considered in a wider study.

7 The subject matter of these Reports is being further considered by the Law Commission in a wider study of rights appurtenant to land.

8 Accepted in principle.

9 This section only includes studies of which a specific official announcement has been made. It would be impracticable to set out in detail all the matters to which consideration is being given by the Government.

Alkali And Clean

Air Acts

107.

asked the Attorney-General when he expects to introduce legislation consolidating the Alkali and Clean Air Acts.

There is a chance, but no certainty, of this consolidation being read for introduction this session.

Social Services

Passenger Service Vehicle Drivers

108.

asked the Secretary of State for Social Services if he will take steps to enable applicants for passenger service vehicle driving licences over 50 years of age to have the medical examination certificate, Form P.S.V. 15D, issued under the National Health Service.

No. We see no reason why these or other similar certificates should be supplied free of charge under the National Health Service.

Means-Tested Benefits

asked the Secretary of State for Social Services if he will list all those benefits in cash or in kind for which his Department is wholly or partly responsible which are subject to a means test, the estimated number of people entitled to them, and the number of people who have claimed their entitlement.

Estimating entitlement is for some of the benefits very difficult because of the many factors involved.The main benefits for which my Department is directly responsible and the most recent totals of successful claimants are as follows:

Supplementary Benefits
Recipients of Regular Weekly Allowances
Recipients as at 21st September, 1971 (excluding dependants)2,935,000
Expectant mothers and young children in receipt of free welfare milk and vitamins (latest available figure at November, 1970)236,000
Recipients of Single Payment to Meet Immediate Need
During period 21st April, 1971 to 19th October, 19711,575,000
Other Benefits to Persons not in Receipt of Supplementary Benefit
Successful Awards during the Period 21st April, 1971 to 19th October, 1971 (six months)
Free welfare milk and vitamins (to 21st September, 1971)82,000
Prescription charges63,000
Dental costs58,000
Optical costs100,000
Hospital fares9,000
Family Income Supplement
Awards current at 15th November, 197160,000
In addition certain supplementary benefit beneficiaries also benefit under the Family Income Supplements Act.
Expectant mothers and young children in receipt of free welfare milk and vitamins (latest available figures at September, 1971)50,000
The benefits administered by local authorities for which my Department is partly responsible are as follows:

  • (a) Statutory Assessments
    • Residential accommodation for the elderly or handicapped.
    • Temporary accommodation.
    • The numbers of those eligible are not known, but the most recent totals of those accommodated were 110,000 and 21,000 respectively.
  • (b) Discretionary Assessments
    • Children in care—parental contribution.
    • Residential accommodation for mothers and babies.
    • Day nurseries.
    • Residential accommodation for the mentally disordered.
    • Meals in centres for the mentally disordered, elderly or handicapped.
    • Meals on wheels.
    • Recreation for the elderly or handicapped. Personal aids and equipment.
    • Adaptation of houses.
    • Home Help.
    • Chiropody.
    • Convalescence and recuperative holidays.
    • Family Planning.

    Information on these benefits, which are given at the discretion of the local authority, is not available.

    Attendance Allowance

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services how many persons who have so far applied for an attendance allowance under the National Insurance (Old Persons' and Widows' Pensions and Attendance Allowance) Act 1970 Section 4 (2), and what is the percentage of these who have been refused an attendance allowance by the Board.

    About 90,000 people in Great Britain had applied for attendance allowance up to 16th November, the latest date for which figures are available; about 61,000 claims had been dealt with. In just over 30 per cent. of these claims the allowance was not awarded because the Attendance Allowance Board decided that the medical conditions were not satisfied.

    European Economic Community

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services to what extent he estimates there will be an increase in the cost of welfare benefits to offset the rise in the cost of living consequent upon Great Britain's entry into the Common Market; and whether he will publish in the OFFICIAL. REPORT a description of the way his estimate was made.

    The White Paper "The United Kingdom and the European Communities" (Cmnd. 4715) explained that the effect on the cost of living of joining the European Economic Community is likely to be small.

    Earnings-Related Benefit

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services, what is the number of unemployed people in receipt of the earnings-related benefit.

    On 3rd May, 1971, the latest date for which figures are available, the number was 150,000.

    Hospitals (Casualty Departments)

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services how many casualty departments in all hospitals in the metropolitan regional areas, normally open 24 hours a day, that were open throughout that period and closed for any period for each of the days of September, 1971.

    Of the 104 major accident and emergency departments in these areas which would normally be open 24 hours a day, 92 were open throughout September, 1971; three remained closed throughout the month and one was closed permanently during the month; two were closed during certain periods to ambulance cases of one or both sexes or children but remained open to other patients. The remaining six all closed at some time during the month; on two days all six were open throughout the 24 hours and at no time during the month were more than two of the six closed at the same time. The majority of these closures were at night.

    Mental Illness (Research)

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services what consideration he is now giving to making adequate financial provision for research into the physical factors of mental illness.

    The main Government agency for the advancement of medical research is the Medical Research Council which is the responsibility of my right hon. Friend the Secretary of State for Education and Science. I understand that the council is currently spending about £1,600,000 per annum on more basic research in mental illness. An increasing part of this expenditure is concerned with mental illness in which physical and biochemical factors may have a significant part and this expenditupre is expected to increase in the future.My Department's research programme is related to the provision of services. About £45,000 in the current year is being spent on those aspects of mental illness in which physical factors may have a significant part. Research in this field is expanding and I expect expenditure to increase next year. Much will depend upon the progress made in the current research.

    Civil Service

    Staff

    asked the Minister for the Civil Service if he will now provide an analysis of Civil Service staff in post on 1st October, 1971, on the same basis as the analysis published on 9th November.

    The analysis is as follows:

    CIVIL SERVICE STAFF IN POST
    1st October, 1971
    Executive Functions
    Ministerial ResponsibilitiesCentral AdministrationPublic ServicesTrading and RepaymentGeneral Support Services
    CABINET OFFICE
    Secretariat and central support staff423
    Central Statistical Office171
    594
    AGRICULTURE, FISHERIES AND FOOD
    Agriculture, fisheries and food policy1,749
    Agricultural Development and Advisory Service5,553
    Other technical staff97
    Regional and divisional offices5,220
    Kew Gardens and Wakehurst Place470
    Fisheries, pest infestation and food science laboratories724
    Central services1,930
    3,67912,064
    CIVIL SERVICE
    Management of the Civil Service681102265
    Civil Service recruitment410
    Civil Service College309
    Central services527
    1,208102984
    CHANCELLOR OF THE EXCHEQUER
    Treasury1,03944
    Customs and Excise:
    Collection of indirect taxes, and control of imports and exports1,59115,934
    Import and export statistics746
    Inland Revenue:
    Collection of direct taxes, etc.2,25861,22994
    Land and property valuation services6,3731,632
    Central Office of Information2491,150
    H.M. Stationery Office:
    Procurement and distribution of paper, printing, etc.4151,6261,494
    Production units, printing, binding and reprographic7973,152
    Computer bureau324
    Department for National Savings:
    Receipt and repayment of savings79013,635
    Support of voluntary savings movement517
    Small Departments:
    Treasury Solicitor7834272
    Paymaster-General's Office57567
    Royal Mint1,420
    Exchequer Office, Scotland19102711
    Government Actuary54
    Registry of Friendly Societies176713
    National Debt Office122118
    6,52584,93117,6308,700
    EDUCATION AND SCIENCE
    Educational and scientific policy and administration, including University Grants Committee and H.M. Inspectors of Schools2,173810
    National Lending Library273
    Victoria and Albert Museum616
    Science Museum407
    2,1731,833273
    Exective Functions
    Ministerial ResponsibilitiesCentral AdministrationPublic ServicesTrading and RepaymentGeneral Support Services
    EMPLOYMENT
    Employment and training services1,71315,45188
    Occupational safety and health1,525
    Industrial relations675
    Industrial tribunals and Industrial Court182
    Selective employment payments464
    Unemployment benefit and redundancy payments12,187
    Passport work443
    Office of Manpower Economics60
    1,71330,544531
    ENVIRONMENT
    Local government and environmental services2,0443,9095,050
    Housing88447
    Construction and maintenance3,2043,4098,80338,092
    Transport industries6342241,634
    Research2,735
    Related bodies445
    Ordnance Survey1993,984491
    6,16915,15315,97838,092
    FOREIGN AND COMMONWEALTH
    Diplomatic Service (Home)3,2021435649
    Diplomatic Service (Overseas)2,733243
    Diplomatic Wireless Service3761,124
    Government Communications Headquarters2491,670
    Passport Office736
    Overseas Development Administration:
    Aid administration1,087
    Overseas manpower division414
    Overseas technical assistance980
    4,9147,0641,03549
    HOME
    Prisons (England and Wales)49217,768
    Immigration8581,247
    Police services2743,076
    Fire74338
    Criminal129
    Probation and after-care19069
    Northern Ireland, community programmes and general124
    scientific, research and statistics270
    Carlisle State Management Scheme813
    Central services938
    3,34922,498813
    LORD CHANCELLOR
    Lord Chancellor's Office224
    Courts Service, etc.6,956
    Probate Registries499
    Land Registry4,215
    Public Trustee564
    Public Record Office313
    2247,7684,779
    POSTS AND TELECOMMUNICATIONS
    Broadcasting and radio regulatory202349227
    Posts and telecommunication81
    283349227
    Exective Functions
    Ministerial ResponsibilitiesCentral AdministrationPublic ServicesTrading and RepaymentGeneral Support Services
    SCOTLAND
    Scottish Office:
    Department of Agriclture, Fisheries and Food5172,104
    Scottish Development Department7895764
    Scottish Education Department298357
    Scottish Home and Health Department585414282
    Central services1,760
    Prisons2,038
    State Hospital295
    Scottish Courts Service, etc.520
    Small Scottish Departments:
    Registers of Scotland282
    Lord Lyon and Warden of Regalia6
    Royal Scottish Museum158
    Scottish Record Office128
    General Register Office, Scotland32483
    3,9816,554634
    SOCIAL SERVICES
    Health services4,208
    Special hospitals1,431
    Artificial limb and appliance centres915
    National Health Service Superannuation393
    War Pensioners Hospital85
    Artificial Eye Unit
    Common Cold Research Unit
    Youth Treatment Centre
    Social security benefit services2,700
    Regional organisation51,020
    Newcastle Central Office10,758
    Blackpool Central Office2,138
    A.D.P. Centre, Reading212
    Office of Population Censuses and Surveys4921,491558
    7,40068,443558
    TRADE AND INDUSTRY
    International trade6101,031
    Industry and commerce1,8493,0252,241
    Industrial research3,943
    Civil aviation and marine4767,567626
    Central services (including Business Statistics Office)3,713857
    Exports Credits Guarantee Department1,576
    6,64815,5664,623857
    WALES
    Welsh Office:
    Primary and secondary education including H.M. Inspectors of Schools2451
    Local government and development including housing338
    Health services145
    Central services329
    Artificial limb and appliance centre43
    83694
    Exective Functions
    Ministerial ResponsibilitiesCentral AdministrationPublic ServicesTrading and RepaymentGeneral Support Services
    SMALL DEPARTMENTS
    Charity Commission49261
    Civil Service Pay Research Unit32
    Crown Estate Office129
    Crown Office22
    Director of Public Prosecutions12125
    Law Officers' Department14
    Lord Advocate's Department12
    Parliamentary Counsel46
    Privy Council Office34
    Procurator Fiscal Service281
    Registrar of Restrictive Trading Agreements70
    Registrar of Trade Unions and Employers' Associations28
    Supreme Court of Northern Ireland96
    18986112932
    TOTAL49,885273,40746,61949,299
    GRAND TOTAL419,210
    Ministerial ResponsibilitiesStaff
    DEFENCE
    Ministry of Defence Headquarters:
    (a) Main Headquarters11,572
    (b) Defence Procurement Executive Headquarters8,075
    Maintenance, repair, storage and supply organisations109,591
    Command and support services for armed forces including medical, education and training establishments80,980
    Defence Procurement organisation outside headquarters, including research and development establishments and Royal Ordnance Factories67,023
    Meteorological Office3,419
    280,660
    Note: Definitions of the column headings were given in the answer to my Hon. Friend's Question on 9th November—[Vol. 825, c. 130–40.].

    Agriculture, Fisheries And Food

    European Economic Community

    asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food whether he is able to give the date when he expects to be able to announce the Exchequer costs involved in giving financial assistance to the farming interests for compensation for those whose businesses will be adversely effected if Great Britain enters the Common Market; and whether he will arrange to make the announcement in the House of Commons.

    As I have explained on previous occasions, the special help under consideration is for horticulture. I have nothing at present to add to the answers given to the hon. Member on 28th July, 26th October and 16th November.—[Vol.822, c. 120; Vol. 823, c. 299; Vol. 826, c. 73.]

    Inshore Fishing Industry

    asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food whether he will make a statement giving details of the points of clarification that he made to representatives of the inshore fishing industry on 3rd November, 1971.

    I made it clear that in our negotiations on fishery policy with the European Economic Community our position was in all respects as I had stated it to the House on 21st October.—[Vol.823, c. 1032–35.]

    Defence

    Northern Ireland

    asked the Minister of State for Defence why the Army refused a request by the police for an escort for officers of Musgrave Royal Ulster Constabulary Station going to interview the owner of a car involved in a hit-and-run accident in Cromac Square, Belfast, at 3.30 p.m. on 14th October, 1971.

    Arrangements had been made for troops to provide an escort. In the event, however, the whole Markets area was subject to tight control at the time in question while the Royal Ulster Constabulary and the Army were conducting a joint and successful search for arms.

    asked the Minister of State for Defence how many British Servicemen have been killed by terrorists in Northern Ireland since October, 1968; and if he will also give the figures of Servicemen who have been wounded.

    Up to this morning 39 had been killed, including two members of the Ulster Defence Regiment; and 326 had been admitted to hospital as a result of security operations.

    asked the Minister of State for Defence what is the present total of Servicemen in the Ulster Defence Regiment.

    Jaguar Aircraft

    asked the Minister of State for Defence by how much the Anglo-French Jaguar strike aircraft project is behind its schedule programme; by how much it has exceeded its original cost estimate; and what is the new estimate for the total programme.

    The first aircraft is expected to be delivered to the Royal Air Force early in 1973, some two to three months behind the schedule fixed in 1966. The development costs of the Jaguar programme have been held close to the original estimates as have the production costs when changes in economic conditions, configuration and numbers required are taken into account.

    Education And Science

    Older Primary Schools (Brent)

    asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science how many pre-1903 primary schools there are in the Willesden, East and West constituencies in the London Borough of Brent; how many of them have already been remodelled with circulation and play space up to her Department's minimum standards; how many will be demolished and replaced in 1972, 1973, 1974 and 1975, respectively; how many of them will alternatively be remodelled and improved and have their circulation and play space raised to her Department's minimum standards in the same years; and if she will list the names of the schools concerned, indicating the number of storeys they contain.

    Information is not collected in the Department by reference to parliamentary constituencies. According to the local education authority there are 10 primary schools in Brent built before 1903 for which there is a continuing need, in addition to those which will be replaced or remodelled by projects in building programmes before 1971–72. Of these 10 the following are to be replaced or remodelled in current programmes:

    Programme year
    †Keble Memorial C./E.1971–72
    †Brondesbury C./E.1971–72
    †Princess Freclerica C./E.1971–72
    †Kensal Rise1971–72
    †Salusbury1971–72
    *St. Mary's R.C.1971–72
    *St. Andrew's C./E.1972–73
    †Stonebridge1973–74
    * To be replaced.
    † To be remodelled.
    The other information asked for may be obtainable from the local education authority.

    Research And Development

    asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science whether the Government are now able to make a statement on research and development.

    My noble Friend the Lord Privy Seal has today presented to Parliament a Green Paper "A Framework for Government Research and Development" (Cmnd. 4814), which covers two reports, one on governmental research and development by Lord Rothschild, the head of the Central Policy Review Staff, and the other on the research council system by a working group chaired by Sir Frederick Dainton, the Chairman of the Council for Scientific Policy. The Government hope there will be wide public debate of the issues raised.

    Higher Education

    asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science what estimates her Department is making in its assessment of future needs for higher education of future national manpower needs for graduates in the liberal arts, social sciences, and the sciences and technology, respectively.

    I am in close touch with my right hon. Friend the Secretary of State for Employment, who is generally responsible for information about manpower needs. Some projections of the historical pattern of distribution of graduates within the labour force have been attempted; but national manpower forecasting has not yet sufficiently developed to provide a basis for assessing future needs for a higher education in this way, except in certain specialised fields.

    Employment

    British Aluminium Company, Neath (Redundancies)

    asked the Secretary of State for Employment what arrangements he intends making for those workers at the Rheola Works, Neath, who will become redundant consequent upon the announcement by the British Aluminium Company on 17th November, 1971, to enable them to be retrained for other work; and if he will make a statement.

    Workers will be interviewed to identify their training needs. Facilities are available to train for a variety of skilled trades at the Government Training Centres at Port Talbot and Llanelli. Those centres also provide courses in limited skills. Every effort will be made to satisfy requirements for training in courses not available at the centres.

    Batley And Morley

    asked the Secretary of State for Employment how many young persons in Batley and Morley, respectively, who left school in the summer of this year are not yet in employment.

    Separate figures are not kept for Batley and Morley. At Batley Careers Office, which serves the combined area, there were six summer term school leavers still registered as unemployed on 8th November, 1971.

    Farnworth

    asked the Secretary of State for Employment if he will publish in the OFFICIAL REPORT figures showing the current number of unemployed persons in the Farnworth constituency, and the number unemployed in the same area in the comparable month in 1930, 1935, 1940, 1945, and for each subsequent year.

    Figures on a comparable basis are available from 1948. In the following table, information is shown for November of each year from that date:

    Numbers registered as unemployed in the area covered by the Farnworth and Worsley Employment Exchanges
    November, 1948161
    November, 1949154
    November, 1950120
    November, 1951122
    November, 1952983
    November, 1953256
    November, 1954207
    November, 1955272
    November, 1956214
    November, 1957384
    November, 1958798
    November, 1959674
    November, 1960299
    November, 1961449
    November, 1962514
    November, 1963493
    November, 1964315
    November, 1965272
    November, 1966424
    November, 1967610
    November, 1968750
    November, 1969644
    November, 1970758
    November, 1971 (Provisional)1,500

    Unemployed Persons

    asked the Secretary of State for Employment what is the number of male and female unemployed at present registered at the Tooting Employment Office, S.W.17, and the respective breakdown of those under the age of 18 years and over 45 years of age at present unemployed.

    At 8th November, there were, provisionally, 2,613 people—2,277 males and 336 females—registered as unemployed in the area covered by the Tooting Employment Exchange. Of these, 82–51 boys and 31 girls—were under 18 years of age. The analysis for November does not separately identify those aged 45 years and over, but at 12th July, when 2,153 people were registered as wholly unemployed, 701–618 men and 83 women—were in this age range.

    asked the Secretary of State for Employment what is the number of registered unemployed in each of the regions of the United Kingdom; and how this figure compares with the numbers registered as unemployed on 18th June, 1970.

    Following is the available information:

    TOTAL NUMBERS REGISTERED AS UNEMPLOYED, INCLUDING SCHOOL-LEAVERS AND TEMPORARILY STOPPED WORKERS
    8th November, 1971 (provisional)8th June, 1970
    South-East174,583114,724
    East Anglia21,14811,871
    South Western53,40232,008
    West Midlands126,64255,746
    East Midlands47,31031,515
    Yorkshire and Humberside90,25753,253
    North Western136,44473,494
    Northern84,78556,810
    Scotland141,45484,131
    Wales50,21833,025
    Northern Ireland43,77932,174

    Redundancies

    asked the Secretary of State for Employment what was the number of registered redundancies in each region of the United Kingdom during the period from 18th June, 1970.

    I regret that information is not available in the form required. However, the numbers of redundancies recorded by my Department as due to occur in each region of Great Britain during the period 1st June, 1970, to 31st October, 1971, are:

    Number of redundancies
    Northern27,600
    Yorkshire and Humberside41,800
    Eastern and Southern57,900
    London and South Eastern62,700
    South Western16,900
    Wales17,400
    Midland60,500
    North Western70,400
    Scotland59,100
    These figures are subject to amendment on account of belated reports of redundancies.

    Nottinghamshire

    asked the Secretary of State for Employment how many redundant workers there are over 50 years of age in the Nottinghamshire area; and what action he proposes to retrain and provide them with alternative work.

    I regret that there is no age analysis of redundant workers. It may, however, help the hon. Member to know that at 12th July, 1971, the latest date for which an age analysis is available, there were 6,465 males and 463 females over the age of 50 registered for work in local offices whose areas are wholly or partly within the County of Nottingham. Our local officers will continue to do everything possible to help these workers obtain alternative employment and to inform them of training and retraining facilities as appropriate.

    asked the Secretary of State for Employment how many registered disabled persons and persons requiring sheltered employment there are in Nottinghamshire; how many are unemployed; and what action he proposes to reduce the number.

    On 5th April, 1971, there were 13,230 on the disabled persons register. On 11th October, 1,764 registered disabled persons were registered as unemployed, and of these 191 were considered unlikely to obtain work except under sheltered conditions.As to action to reduce the number of unemployed disabled persons, I would refer the hon. Member to the reply I gave to my hon. Friend the hon. Member for Harborough (Mr. Farr) on 25th March. I hope that the measures we have taken will lead to a reduction in the number of unemployed disabled people in Nottinghamshire as well as in the rest of the country.For people who are too severely disabled to undertake ordinary employment there are already two Remploy factories and three sheltered workshops in the county; a fourth workshop, due to be built by the local authority at West Bridgford in 1974–75, will meet the foreseeable future need for additional places.

    Home Department

    Licensees (Assault)

    asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department what were the number of convictions for assault on licensees of premises for the first 10 months in 1969, 1970 and 1971, respectively.

    Bail

    asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department (1) how many persons remanded on bail subject to the provision of suitable sureties by magistrates' courts in England and Wales in each of the years 1969, 1970 and 1971 to date, were unable to find sureties prior to the date of their next appearance in court;(2) how many persons remanded on bail subject to the provision of suitable sureties by magistrates' courts in the Inner London area in each of the years 1969, 1970 and 1971 to date, were unable to find sureties prior to the date of their next appearances in court.

    asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department if he will call for reports from chief constables as to the possibilities of police disclosing, either orally or in writing, to a person who has been rejected as a surety for an accused person, the grounds for such rejection.

    My right hon. Friend is asking the Working Party on Bail Procedures in Magistrates' Courts to consider this matter.

    Licensing Law (Erroll Committee)

    asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department if he will draw to the attention of the public, the licensed trade and Brewers' Society the fact that the Erroll Committee is not precluded from considering the social implications of the Monopolies Commission's recommendations, or indeed any aspects of the tied house system which were not considered by the Commission and might have implications for the liquor licensing law, and invite them to submit their conclusions.

    It is for the Committee to decide from whom, and to what extent, to invite views on matters within its terms of reference.

    asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department when he expects to receive the report of the Erroll Committee on Licensing Law Reform.

    Accommodation Agencies

    asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department how many prosecutions have been instituted pursuant to the provisions of Section 1 of the Accommodation Agencies Act, 1953; and how many convictions have resulted since its enactment.

    The figures readily available for England and Wales are for the years 1964 to 1970. They are as follows:

    Persons proceeded againstPersons found guilty
    196476
    196511
    196672
    196754
    196895
    196933
    197043
    Corresponding information for earlier years could not be obtained without disproportionate cost.

    asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department how many prosecutions have been instituted in the Inner London area during 1970 and 1971 pursuant to the provisions of Section 1 of the Accommodation Agencies Act, 1953; and how many have resulted in convictions.

    Fire Service

    asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department on what date Her Majesty's Government will release the Cunningham Report on the Fire Service to representative organisations within that service.

    The Report was remitted to the National Joint Council on 18th November, the day of publication.

    asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department whether he will now take steps to require the employers' side of the Joint National Council for Local Authorities' Fire Brigades to enter into consultation upon the basis of the Cunningham Report as a matter of urgency, and further to implement the same.

    The conduct of negotiations in this council is a matter for the two sides. My right hon. Friend the Secretary of State for Scotland and my right hon. Friend the Home Secretary will be consulting the Central Fire Brigades Advisory Councils as a matter of urgency on those recommendations in the Report which bear on operational organisation and efficiency.

    Tracing Services Limited

    asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department what use his Department has made of Tracing Services Limited for investigating the activities of immigrants or aliens.

    National Finance

    Nationalised Industries (Capital Expenditure)

    asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer what response he proposes to make to the proposal of the Confederation of British Industry that nationalised industries should bring forward their capital expenditure programmes.

    I have nothing to add to the speech of my right hon. Friend the Chancellor of the Exchequer in the debate on unemployment yesterday.—[Vol. 826, c. 1165.]

    Wales

    Local Government Reform

    asked the Secretary of State for Wales if he will list those local authorities in Wales with which he has held discussions on his proposals for the reform of local government.

    Discussions with the following Welsh local authorities took place following publication of the consultative document in February, 1971:

    • Breconshire County Council (M)
    • Cardiff County Borough Council
    • Carmarthenshire County Council
    • Glamorgan County Council
    • Merthyr Tydfil County Borough Council (M)
    • Monmouthshire County Council (M)
    • Newport County Borough Council
    • Pembrokeshire County Council
    • Rhondda Borough Council
    • Swansea County Borough Council;
    and written representations from nearly all local authorities in Wales also were taken into account.

    • (M) denotes a meeting with the Minister of State.
    • The other meetings were with the Secretary of State.

    asked the Secretary of State for Wales if he will list those local authorities or organisations whose requests he has succeeded in meeting by changing the proposals he made in the consultative document for the reform of local government in Wales.

    The geographical changes and the authorities whose representations mainly prompted them are listed below. In some instances, the local authority's wishes could be met only in part, or its preferred solution had to be rejected and an alternative adopted, which it regarded as second best.

    Change:

    Supported by:

    Placing four parishes of Gwyrfai R.D. in Gwynedd District 3Caernarvonshire County Council
    Gwyrfai Rural District Council
    Llanwnda Parish Council
    Llandwrog parish Council
    Llanllyfni Parish Council
    Creation of two districts in Pembrokeshire instead of onePembrokeshire County Council
    All county district councils in Pembrokeshire (11)
    A N.A.L.G.O. Action Committee representing staff of all the district authorities (there was support also from individual district branches)
    Inclusion of the whole of Newcastle Emlyn Rural District in one new districtCarmarthenshire County Council
    Newcastle Emlyn Rural District Council
    Inclusion of Llanrhidian Parish (Gower Rural District) with the remainder of Gower Rural District in District 1 of West GlamorganSwansea County Borough Council
    Gower District Council
    Transfer of three parishes of Magor and St. Mellons Rural District to Gwent District 1Monmouthshire County Council
    Newport County Borough Council
    Magor and St. Mellons Rural District Council
    Goldcliff Parish Council
    Magor Parish Council
    Langstone Parish Council
    Peterstone Wentlooge Parish Meeitng
    Llanmartin Parish Meeting

    As far as South Glamorgan is concerned, the change meets in large measure the wishes of the Cardiff City Council, the Penarth Urban District Council and the Cardiff City Branch of N.A.L.G.O.

    asked the Secretary of State for Wales which local authorities and organisations have made representations to him protesting against his proposal to transfer parts of South Breconshire to counties outside Powys.

    The following authorities and organisations have made representations opposing the addition of the southern industrial fringe of Breconshire to Mid-Glamorgan and Gwent:

    • Breconshire County Council.
    • Hay U.D.C.
    • Knighton U.D.C.
    • Llanwrtyd Wells U.D.C.
    • Builth R.D.C.
    • *Crickhowell R.D.C.
    • Hay R.D.C.
    • Paincastle R.D.C.
    • Ystradgynlais R.D.C.
    • †Llanelly Parish Council (Crickhowell R.D.).
    • Ystradfellte Parish Council (Vaynor and Penderyn R.D.).
    • Brecon & Radnor Conservative Association.
    • Beconshire Association of Parish Councils.
    • Brecknock County Naturalists' Trust Ltd.
    • Penderyn Local History Society.
    • Breconshire Federation of Women's Institutes.
    • Breconshire Federation of Young Farmers' Clubs.
    • Breconshire Rural Community Council.
    • Breconshire Association of Theatrical Societies.

    * Crickhowell R.D.C. Crickhowell R.D.C. expressed disappointment that the whole of its area was not included in Gwent and, in view of this, it asked that its area should be added to Powys as a complete district.

    Llanelly Parish. Llanelly Parish Council said that it wanted the parish to stay with the rest of Crickhowell R.D. within Powys. It advised, however, that the ward of Darenfelen would feel more in sympathy with the Secretary of State's proposal since it had more affinity with Brynmawr.

    asked the Secretary of State for Wales if, before the conclusion of the Local Government Bill, he, or the Minister of State, will visit Breconshire to discuss the proposed changes affecting the county; and particularly, if he or the Minister will visit the localities which have expressed their opposition to the proposals.

    No. The issues involved, and the opposing points of view, are abundantly clear. Most of the local authorities directly concerned support the changes.

    asked the Secretary of State for Wales with which local authorities, including parish councils, and organisations in South Breconshire he, or the Minister of State, had discussions before deciding to seek to transfer those areas from Breconshire to any proposed new county other than Powys.

    There were no discussions before the issue of the consultative document, although I took account of the views expressed on the proposals of the previous Administration. Following the appearance of the consultative document there were discussions with the Breconshire County Council, Glamorgan County Council, Monmouthshire County Council and Merthyr Tydfil County Borough Council, and written comments were received from all the county district councils in Breconshire, from the parish councils of Llanelli and Crickhowell (Crickhowell R.D.) and Vaynor (Vaynor and Penderyn R.D.), from the Breconshire Association of Parish Councils and from many authorities in Glamorgan and Monmouthshire.

    asked the Secretary of State for Wales which communities in those areas which he proposes to seek to transfer from South Breconshire to counties other than Powys have made representations to him against the proposed change; and, specifically, what representations he has had from Pontsticill, Penderyn, and Llanelly in favour of the retention of these communities in Breconshire.

    In the case of Pontsticill, the relevant Parish Council, Vaynor Parish Council, supported my proposal to transfer the parish to Glamorgan.In the case of Penderyn, representations against my proposals were received from a member of the Breconshire County Council speaking on behalf of some of the electors of the parish. The representations said, however, that the parish council had—on the casting vote of the chairman—taken a contrary view.The Llanelli Parish Council said that it wished to stay with the rest of Crickhowell Rural District, but the relevant letter said that one ward of the parish, Darenfelen, had more affinity with Brynmawr and hence with the consultative document's proposal.No other representations from communities in the areas in question have been received.