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Written Answers

Volume 842: debated on Monday 31 July 1972

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Written Answers To Questions

Monday, 31st July, 1972

Wales

Rhondda

5

asked the Secretary of State for Wales when he proposes to pay an official visit to the borough of Rhondda.

Welsh Hospital Board (Chief Pharmacist)

26.

asked the Secretary of State for Wales when he proposes to appoint a chief pharmacist to the Welsh Hospital Board in accordance with the Noel Hall Report.

The appointment of a chief pharmacist to the Welsh Hospital Board is a matter for the Board itself.

Planning Study (South Wales)

45

asked the Secretary of State for Wales what representations he has receivd asking him to institute a planning study of South Wales.

Representations about the need for further studies were made by certain local authorities following the publication of the draft Llantrisant New Town Designation Order.

Youth Employment Offices

46

asked the Secretary of State for Wales if he will make an official tour of local authority youth employment offices in autumn 1972.

Iron Ore Transit (Pollution)

47.

asked the Secretary of State for Wales if he will consult the British Railways Board and the British Steel Corporation about assistance to control environmental pollution arising from the transit of iron ore.

The British Railways Board and the British Steel Corporation are already actively engaged in work to prevent such pollution.

Housing And Redevelopment (Newport)

48.

asked the Secretary of State for Wales what outstanding applications he has under consideration from Newport Corporation for assistance in its housing programme and to meet the needs of redevelopment.

There are no such applications before my right hon. and learned Friend, but the authority are having preliminary discussions with the Welsh Office about three new housing schemes. It is too early to say whether these will be used to meet the needs of redevelopment.

M4 (Route)

49.

asked the Secretary of State for Wales what proposals he has received to plan the route of the M4 to the east of the Merthyr-Cardiff trunk road along a line north of Caerphilly Mountain.

Various proposals have been received including three from objectors to the Capel Llaniltern-Pencoed section of theM4. They will be considered at the resumed public inquiry, the date of which I hope to announce shortly.

Road Proposals (Carmarthenshire)

59.

asked the Secretary of State for Wales if he will make a statement on the progress of major road scheme proposals for Carmarthenshire.

Work is proceeding as rapidly as possible on a substantial number of major schemes in the county. If the hon. Member has any particular scheme in mind I will be glad to let him know the position.

Industry Bill

51.

asked the Secretary of State for Wales what study is being undertaken in his Department of the Industry Bill.

My Department has been and remains closely involved in all aspects of the Bill.

Forestry And Agriculture

asked the Secretary of State for Wales if he will undertake a review of forestry policy and agricultural policy in Wales, especially in relation to tax and death duty concessions and publish the findings.

The Welsh implications of forestry and agricultural policy are taken fully into account when decisions are made jointly by Ministers and I do not consider it necessary to undertake a review of policy in Wales alone. As the hon. and learned Member will know, a consultative document on future forestry policy in Great Britain was published on 28th June. This states that the Government have no proposals for the present for changes in the tax arrangements for forestry.

asked the Secretary of State for Wales what has been the total amount paid out in the last five financial years in, respectively, grants in aid to the Forestry Commission, grants in aid channelled through the Forestry Commission to private woodland owners, and the total of tax concessions to private woodland owners over the same period.

From 1st October, 1966 to 31st March, 1972 grants in aid of the Forestry Commission's forestry enterprise in Great Britain as a whole totalled £66·9 million. Grants paid by the Commission to private woodland owners in the same period totalled £9·1 million.The information on which to base estimates of tax concessions to private woodland owners is not available.

asked the Secretary of State for Wales what has been the acreage of land in Wales purchased for private woodland development during the course of the past 20 years.

Detailed statistics of land acquired for private afforestation are not available but from October, 1953, to March, 1972, about 72,000 acres of land in Wales was brought within the scope of the Commission's grant schemes for management but it is not possible readily to say how much of this was land for new planting—that is, new "development"—or how much was old woodland. In the same period about 56,000 acres were planted or replanted in Wales by private owners.

A55 (St Asaph—Aber)

asked the Secretary of State for Wales what decision he has reached about the route for the new Chester-Bangor A55 between St. Asaph and Aber; and if he will make a statement.

My preference is for a coastal route between Llanfairfechan and Abergele except for the crossing of the River Conway, which I consider should be in the vicinity of the existing bridges. Full details of this route are contained in a general report, copies of which have been placed in the House of Commons Library and which will be on sale to the public today.

Hospitals, Cardiff

asked the Secretary of State for Wales what plans he has for improvements at the Rookwood Hospital, Cardiff; and whether he will make a statement.

I refer the right hon. Member to the oral reply that I gave him earlier today.

Hospital Closures (Barry)

asked the Secretary of State for Wales what improvements he will authorise to meet the new circumstances due to hospital closures in Barry.

The reorganisation which I have approved is designed to make better hospital services available for the people of Barry. These will include the establishment in Barry of a general practitioner hospital.

School Leavers

asked the Secretary of State for Wales what special advice or guidance he has given to local education authorities in Wales concerning those children who are leaving school in Wales this summer.

There has been no special advice. Careers teachers have given guidance to those who left school this summer and the Youth Employment Service will continue to give them all possible help and advice.

Official Solicitor

30.

asked the Attorney-General why he will not take the necessary action to change the name of the Official Solicitor.

43.

asked the Attorney-General whether he will consider changing the title of the Official Solicitor in order to avoid confusion about his duties and to emphasise his independent status.

No change is necessary. The full title, which has existed since 1875, is "Official Solicitor to the Supreme Court of Judicature". I think this title is appropriate both to indicate his duties as a servant of the Court and to emphasise his independence of the Government.

40.

asked the Attorney-General what is the total cost of the salaries of staff employed in the Department of the Official Solicitor.

44.

asked the Attorney-General what costs were recovered by the Department of the Official Solicitor in the year 1971–72.

The provisional figure is £164,969. The final figure will be available shortly.

Detective Inspector Ronald Larby

31.

asked the Attorney-General whether, in view of the prima facie evidence in his possession, he will initiate proceedings for perjury against Detective Inspector Ronald Larby.

Sean Mcstoifain

37.

asked the Attorney-General whether the Director of Public Prosecutions will institute proceedings for misprison of treason and felony against any persons who consorted with one Arthur Stevenson, calling himself Sean McStoifain and others, well knowing that such persons had been guilty of murder and treason, and failing to take any adequate steps to secure their arrest.

Any evidence submitted to the Director of Public Prosecutions for Northern Ireland of a possible criminal offence will be considered by him.

Sir John Clayden

38 and 39.

asked the Attorney-General (1) whether he will publish in the OFFICIAL REPORT the judicial posts and previous geographical location of the professional activities of Sir John Clayden prior to his appointment of as Chairman of an Industrial Tribunal, having lived in England for less than one year;(2) whether he will detail the experience of industrial or social problems in Great Britain possessed by Sir John Clayden at the time of his appointment to the Chairmanship of an Industrial Tribunal.

Prior to 1st March, 1967, when he was appointed on the recommendation of Lord Gardiner, Sir John Clayden had no experience of industrial and social problems in Great Britain. He has served with great distinction since that date.The details for which the hon. Member asks are as follows:

Sir John Clayden was admitted as an Advocate in South Africa in 1927 and practised there until 1940. He was a Judge of the Supreme Court of South Africa from 1946 to 1955 and from 1964 to 1965, a Judge of the Federal Supreme Court, Federation of Rhodesia and Nyasaland, from 1955 to 1960 and Chief Justice of the Federation from 1960 to 1964. Sir John Clayden was appointed to his present position on the 1st March, 1967, by the then Lord Chancellor (Lord Gardiner).

High Court Of Justice (Family Division)

41.

asked the Attorney-General how many of the defended cases specially fixed for hearing in the Family Division of the High Court of Justice at the Royal Courts of Justice in the Strand were determined in each of the six weeks up to 22nd July; how many such cases were not heard and determined in those periods; and how many have been re-fixed for hearing in November and December next.

One hundred and fifty-eight defended divorce causes were given fixed dates for hearing in the period in question. One hundred and forty-four of these cases were heard, at an average rate of 24 a week. Of the 14 cases not heard, three have already been re-fixed for hearing later, one in October and two in November and December.

42.

asked the Attorney-General what was the average number of full-time High Court judges sitting each day in the Family Division of the High Court of Justice at the Royal Courts of Justice in the Strand in the six weeks ended 22nd July; and on how many days or parts of days in the same periods three such judges were switched to sitting as a Divisional Court.

An average of seven High Court judges of the Family Division sat at the Royal Courts of Justice each day during the period referred to. Three judges of the Division sat in the Divisional Court for 16 days.

Landlord And Tenant Code

asked the Attorney-General when, following the Law Commission's review of the landlord and tenant code, legislation will be introduced to make it obligatory for a tenant to identify himself to his tenants.

The Law Commission intends to submit, in advance of their proposed code, an interim report on obligations of landlords and tenants. This is expected by the end of the year and will deal with my hon. Friend's point. At this stage I can give no forecast about possible legislation.

County Courts (Working Conditions)

asked the Attorney-General if he will make a statement concerning the Government's proposals for building and modernising county courts between 1973 and 1975.

I would refer the hon. Member to the answer I have given to his Question No. 33 for oral answer on today's Order Paper.

Mr Leonard J Crickmar

asked the Attorney-General whether he is now able to give details of the settlement of moneys and legal costs owed to the Government by Leonard J. Crickmar; and when these moneys are to be paid.

I would refer the hon. Member to the answer which I gave him on the 12th July.—[Vol. 840, c. 380.]

Real Estate Fund Of America

asked the Attorney-General (1) whether he has received the communication dated Monday, 24th July, 1972 from the hon. Member for West Ham, North regarding the need for an investigation into matters pertaining to the Real Estate Fund of America; and in view of the information as contained therein if he will cause an investigation to be made into these matters, with a view to prosecution for fraud;(2) to what extent he has held discussions with the Director of Public Prosecutions on the Report submitted to him by Scotland Yard on the activities of the Real Estate Fund of America; and what action he proposes to take in connection with these matters.

I have received the hon. Member's letter. A police report of their investigation into the Real Estate Fund of America has been forwarded to the Director of Public Prosecutions and to the Department of Trade and Industry; the papers have now been submitted to counsel for his advice.

Trade And Industry

European Aerospace Industry

52.

asked the Secretary of State for Trade and Industry what discussions he proposes to have with European Governments concerning the formulation of a strategic plan for European aerospace industry.

Her Majesty's Government continue to take every opportunity to discuss with European Governments the evolution of a European aerospace industry and encourage United Kingdom aerospace companies to pursue similar objectives.

Financial Advertising

53.

asked the Secretary of State for Trade and Industry what discussions he has had with the Newspaper Proprietors Association on the subject of financial advertising.

Grants And Subsidies

54

asked the Secretary of State for Trade and Industry in respect of which of the schemes of grants or other forms of subsidyhe administers is the subsidy discretionary, yet the unsuccessful applicant not entitled to a statement of the grounds on which his application was unsuccessful.

In no scheme does the statute provide such an entitlement but the Department tries to help applicants where possible. If my hon. Friend has any particular case in mind, I will look into it if he sends me the details.

Vacant Factory (Wombwell)

55

asked the Secretary of State for Trade and Industry what requests he has received from the owners of the Priestley's factory in Barnsley Road, Wombwell, which has been vacant for the past several weeks, to find a suitable occupier, and what action he has taken.

I have not yet received any such request. But if asked to do so by the owners, the Department's regional office will place the factory on its list of premises known to be available and it will be brought to the attention of industrialists.

Advance Factory (Denaby Main)

56

asked the Secretary of State for Trade and Industry if he is yet able to announce that his Department has secured a tenant for the advance factory at Denaby Main in the Dearne Valley constituency.

I have nothing to add to the answer which I gave to the hon. Member on 10th July.—[Vol. 840, col. 235.]

Machine Tool Orders (Cyclical Pattern)

57

asked the Secretary of State for Trade and Industry what studies his Department has made of Swedish counter-cyclical policy in the machine tool industry, details of which have been sent to him.

Investment reserve schemes were studied in 1966 by the Working Party on the Problems arising from the Cyclical Pattern of Machine Tool Orders (Bullock Report) and were considered in 1970 by the Machine Tool Expert Committee (Way Report). Both reports were published.

Drugs (Patent Terms)

58.

asked the Secretary of State for Trade and Industry if he will refuse to extend the length of patent coverage on any drug used extensively by the National Health Service when it reaches its due expiry date.

Extension of the term of a patent is not a matter for my right hon. Friend. It is decided by the High Court except in the now very rare case when application for extension is made to the Comptroller-General of Patents on the ground of war loss.

National Coal Board (Disused Mineshafts)

59.

asked the Secretary of State for Trade and Industry how much has been spent by the National Coal Board during the last five years in order to make disused mineshafts secure.

Film Industry

60.

asked the Secretary of State for Trade and Industry what plans he has to encourage the expansion of the British film industry.

Film production companies benefit from quota legislation and payments out of the British Film Fund and the National Film Finance Corporation has with our support recently joined with private investors to set up a consortium to encourage film production.

61.

asked the Secretary of State for Trade and Industry what is his policy in relation to the diversification of ownership of film studios with a view to the encouragement of competition.

I am satisfied that studio facilities are available on a competitive basis to anyone who wishes to produce a film in this country.

Ship Repairing

62.

asked the Secretary of State for Trade and Industry whether he will consider introducing legislation whereby ship owners have to repair a percentage of ships registered in Great Britain in British yards.

63.

asked the Secretary of State for Trade and Industry what plans he has for those in the ship-repairing industry on Merseyside at present on stand-by.

I hope that the measures proposed in the Industry Bill, for example regional development grant for which ship repair will be eligible, will assist the industry's competitive position.

Concorde

64.

asked the Secretary of State for Trade and Industry what is his most recent estimate of the total cost of the Concorde project, specifying the most recent figures of the United Kingdom share of research, development and production costs.

The latest estimate of research and development costs was given to the House on 4th May, 1972.The House agreed on 21st July, that up to £125 million could be advanced to finance production as an interim measure while we are assessing the full amount likely to be required.

65.

asked the Secretary of State for Trade and Industry (1) what is the recent estimate of the number of Concorde aircraft that will have to be sold to cover the research and development costs;(2) what is his estimate of the research and development losses involved in the Concorde aircraft by stated scale of sales.

It has been recognised for some time that we could expect to recover only part of the research and development costs. The precise amount of recovery will depend upon a wide range of factors including the number of aircraft sold and their price.

66.

asked the Secretary of State for Trade and Industry what discussions he is currently having about supersonic flying rights for Concorde.

The Department is in touch with BOAC on its route plans. Types of aircraft and speeds of flights are not usually specified in international rights for air services.As planning for Concorde services progresses, if it appears that States' regulations affect intended paths for flight at supersonic speeds, any necessary discussions will be undertaken.

67.

asked the Secretary of State for Trade and Industry what is the latest position on orders for Concorde.

asked the Secretary of State for Trade and Industry whether he still expects his estimate of Concorde sales by the end of 1972 of 30 to 40 Concorde aircraft will be realised; and if he will now, in the light of present sales and prospects, bring his estimates up to date.

BOAC and Air France have signed contracts for five and four Concordes respectively. The Chinese have signed a preliminary purchase agreement for two aircraft and are considering increasing it to three. Iran Air have said that they will purchase three aircraft. Discussions are in progress with other potential purchasers but it is too early to forecast the number of orders that will be received.

asked the Secretary of State for Trade and Industry if he will make a statement on the nature of the contract he has approved between the British Overseas Airways Corporation and the British Aircraft Corporation for the sale of five Concorde aircraft to the British Overseas Airways Corporation.

The contract signed on 28th July for the sale of five Concorde aircraft was a matter settled between the British Overseas Airways Corporation and the British Aircraft Corporation.

asked the Secretary of State for Trade and Industry why Concorde production expenditure in France has already reached £75 million and in the United Kingdom £30 million.

Expenditure on production in France is running at a comparable level to that in this country. The total commitment in the United Kingdom is £75 million which includes orders placed on French suppliers. The total commitment on the French side is of the same order.

asked the Secretary of State for Trade and Industry what technical progress is being achieved to make Concorde production aircraft less noisy on take-off, landing and flyover; and if he will make a statement.

asked the Secretary of State for Trade and Industry whether he will publish a report upon the quietening of the Concorde aircraft engines.

The development work already in progress will ensure that the production aircraft will be substantially quieter than the prototypes.

asked the Secretary of State for Trade and Industry when he expects to be able to inform Parliament of the permanent financing arrangements he has in mind for the financing of Concorde production aircraft.

asked the Secretary of State for Trade and Industry if he will ascertain the reasons why Air France has not yet ordered any Concorde Aircraft; and if he will make a statement.

Air France signed a contract for four aircraft on 28th July, 1972.

asked the Secretary of State for Trade and Industry if he will ascertain the reasons why Air Canada has cancelled its options of the purchases of Concorde aircraft; and if he will make a statement.

Air Canada has informed the manufacturers that it does not wish to renew its option agreement for four aircraft with deliveries in 1977–78. The Chairman of Air Canada explained in a statement on 5th July that at the present time Concorde was not suitable for Air Canada's type of operation but that the airline intended to watch closely all developments in supersonic technology and the evolution of the travel market.

asked the Secretary of State for Trade and Industry if he will obtain an estimate from the manufacturers of the extent to which the ban on sonic boom over the United States of America is proving a deterrent in the sales of Concorde aircraft to American airlines; and if he will make a statement.

The US Government's intention to restrict supersonic flying overland has been known for some years. But many of the US airlines have international routes which are ideally suited for Concorde operations.

asked the Secretary of State for Trade and Industry if he will list the departmental checks upon the development costs of Concorde.

The Department's procedures for monitoring the development programme and expenditure were explained to the Standing Committee of Public Accounts, and are described in the reports for session 1968–69.

asked the Secretary of State for Trade and Industry what are his latest estimates as to the number of passengers which Concorde will be able to carry in commercial flights.

The manufacturers are confident that the target payload on entry into service of 20,000 lbs. between Paris and New York in summer conditions, which is equivalent to about 24,000 lbs. between London and New York, will be achieved. The actual numbers of passengers on specific routes will depend upon the individual airline's policy towards seat layout, optional equipment, and operating procedures.

Post-Apollo Project

68.

asked the Secretary of State for Trade and Industry what proposals he has now received from the United States of America regarding the rôle the United Kingdom may play in the development of post-Apollo and space shuttle projects.

None. The question of participation in the space shuttle and other components of the post-Apollo programme is one for consideration jointly by the European Space Conference countries.

IMPORTS OF TORTOISES 1969–1972
196919701971January to June 1972 (a)
Aldabra23317
U.S.A.12
Kenya29373413
India1293864
Venezuela2
Colombia2587186
Tunisia7,2705257,168
Morocco51,807231,109169,211192,001
Spain16
Yugoslavia59,00048,58510,000
Sudan25
Libya3
Ghana2
Malaysia28585
Greece2,5156,8432,175
Italy300
Senegal2
Botswaba10
Total Imported118,304234,349192,298204,212
(a) Provisional

Patent Office

asked the Secretary of State for Trade and Industry whether he will give consideration to moving the British Patent Office to Coventry, as part of the general policy of decentralising Government Departments and locating

Aerospace Projects (Expenditure Committee Report)

69.

asked the Secretary of State for Trade and Industry what action he proposes to take with regard to Government assistance to aerospace projects, following the Report of the Expenditure Committee.

asked the Secretary of State for Trade and Industry whether he will implement the recommendations of paragraph 91 of the Sixth Report of the Expenditure Committee; and if he will make a statement.

The report is being studied and a reply will be given in due course.

Tortoises

asked the Secretary of State for Trade and Industry if he will state the numbers of live tortoises imported into the United Kingdom in 1969, 1970, 1971 and the first six months of 1972, and the countries from which they were imported, giving the totals from each.

Following is the information:them in areas appropriate to their functions.

No. The Government have already accepted the recommendation of the Banks Committee for rehousing the Patent Office near the National Reference Library of Science and Invention in London. This meets the requirement for ready access to the foreign patents collection, which will be of growing importance.

Sealbeaver

asked the Secretary of State for Trade and Industry what efforts have been made by his Department to inform the Royal Navy of the Sealbeaver project's potential in the defence field.

Arrangements for interdepartmental liaison in the marine technology field have ensured that the Ministry of Defence (Navy) has been kept fully informed about the objective and progress of the Sealbeaver project since its inception. The Ministry of Defence has thus had an opportunity to make its own assessment of the sea-bed vehicle's potential.

asked the Secretary of State for Trade and Industry what efforts have been made by the National Research Development Council to interest other British companies in the Seal-beaver project.

The National Research Development Corporation has made many attempts to interest a number of British companies in continuing development of the Sealbeaver. I understand, however, that its attempts have so far been unsuccessful.

Pharmaceutical Products

asked the Secretary of State for Trade and Industry if he will seek to ascertain and publish the proportion of United Kingdom exports of pharmaceutical products during 1971 which were produced by foreign-owned or foreign-controlled companies.

The latest estimate that can be made is for 1970, when the proportion was close on one-half.

asked the Secretary of State for Trade and Industry if he will arrange for statistics on the balance of patents payments for pharmaceutical products to be collated in future.

No. The value of this additional information is not thought to justify the trouble and cost its collection would entail.

Real Estate Fund Of America

asked the Secretary of State for Trade and Industry whether he will investigate irregularities in the Real Estate Fund of America and its evasion of the Companies Acts.

No: the Real Estate Fund of America is incorporated in Liberia. Certain activities in connection with the sale of its securities, carried out in this country by associated companies, have been investigated by the Department of Trade and Industry and by the police, and reports are now being considered by the Director of Public Prosecutions and the Department.

Gas And Electricity (Connection Charges)

asked the Secretary of State for Trade and Industry when he intends to publish the report of the Monopolies Commission on gas and electricity connection charges.

asked the Secretary of State for Trade and Industry when he intends to publish the report of the Monopolies Commission on gas and electricity connection charges.

The report is being published today. My hon. Friend the Minister for Industry is asking the electricity boards in England and Wales to implement the conclusions of the majority of the Commission that there should be a uniform charge within each Board's area for electricity connection in normal cost cases. This implies an average charge of £35, or possibly a little more, since the Commission's calculations were based on 1970 costs. My right hon. Friends, the Secretaries of State for Northern Ireland and for Scotland, are making similar requests of their respective electricity authorities. The Commission saw no need to suggest any change in the gas industry's general practice of making no charge for connection in normal cost cases.

Marshall Report (Aircraft Industry)

asked the Secretary of State for Trade and Industry how soon Her Majesty's Government expect to make known their proposals following receipt of the Marshall Report.

I hope to make a satement shortly on some of the major issues now confronting the industry.

Foreign And Commonwealth Affairs

Mr J G L Poulson

70.

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs what British aid funds have been applied to projects in which the companies of Mr. J. G. L. Poulson had an interest since 1960.

Contracts financed by British capital aid are made not by me but by overseas Governments. I therefore have no complete list of companies which have been associated with these projects, but the records immediately available do not include any companies with which Mr. Poulson is known to have been associated. None of these companies has been in any way directly engaged by my Department.

Rhodesia

71.

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs whether he will publish a White Paper on the application of sanctions against Rhodesia, indicating the contribution made by all the countries bound by the relevant United Nations resolutions.

No. The best information available can be found in the reports of the United Nations Sanctions Supervisory Committee which is responsible for the supervision of the implementation of sanctions by members of the United Nations. Copies of these reports are in the Library.

Malta

72.

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs if he will make a statement on his talks with the Maltese Prime Minister.

The Maltese Prime Minister paid an official visit to Britain from 27th to 29th July at the invitation of Her Majesty's Government. He had talks with my right lion. Friend the Prime Minister, my right hon. and noble Friend the Secretary of State for Defence, my hon. Friend the Chief Secretary to the Treasury and myself.Mr. Mintoff and I had a wide-ranging and useful exchange of views on international problems, special attention being given to the Mediterranean area. We also reviewed bilateral relations between our two countries.The visit also provided an opportunity for both sides to take stock of the arrangements for the use of military facilities in Malta in accordance with the agreement signed in London on 26th March.

Fishing Limits

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs (1) at what date and to what distance from their coast what countries have unilaterally claimed rights over their continental shelf, over exclusive or restricted fishing zones beyond three miles, and to prevent pollution arising more than three miles out, respectively; and at what date each of these claims was recognised by the United Kingdom;(2) what proportion of all coastal states now claim right of any sort over the waters of the sea more than three and twelve miles off their coasts, respectively.

Much of this information is conveniently assembled in a document—A/AC 138/50—of 6th August, 1971 prepared by the Food and Agriculture Organisation of the United Nations. A copy has been placed in the Library. It is not normally necessary expressly to recognise a maritime claim if in the view of Her Majesty's Government the claim is well founded in international law.

Sea Fishing

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs, from figures available from international sources, what proportion of their gross national product is accounted for by sea fisheries in Iceland, the United Kingdom and West Germany, respectively.

These figures are not available for comparison in any international publication. For the United Kingdom, this information is not published separately, but is available as a comprehensive figure for agriculture, forestry and fishing.

West Berlin (Air Corridors)

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs what discussions he has had with the Soviet authorities about raising the altitude limits in the air corridors to West Berlin for civil airlines from the present ceiling of 10,000 feet, bearing in mind that that height was set more than 25 years ago when jet airliners were non-existent and that it is a height at which atmospheric turbulence causes discomfort to passengers.

The quadripartite agreements establishing the air corridors did not impose any height limitation. The Soviet authorities have, however, sought to assert that there is a 10,000 feet ceiling. The Three Powers have never accepted that this is so, but in the interests of air safety Allied aircraft have generally flown below this height. There have been no recent discussions between the Allies and the Soviet authorities.

International Organisations (Grants-In-Aid)

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs why he has increased the grant-in-aid to the British sector of the International Union of Local Authorities in 1972–73 by £5,500; and what is the purpose and object of this organisation and its expenditure.

The grant-in-aid is provided as part of a series of measures to increase contacts with Europe in view of our impending entry into the European Communities.Its purpose is to assist the British section of the International Union of Local Authorities with a joint programme of activities with the Council of European Municipalities aimed at increasing contacts between local government in the United Kingdom and in Western Europe.The International Union of Local Authorities is a non-political professional organisation, covering 65 countries, which aims to promote the cause of local autonomy, to raise standards of local administration, to study all questions concerning local government and to foster the participation of people in local government activities.

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs why he has increased the grant-in-aid to the European League for Economic Co-operation (British sector) in 1972–73 by £10,000; and what is the purpose and object of this organisation and its expenditure.

The grant-in-aid is provided as part of a series of measures to increase contacts with Europe in view of our impending entry into the European Communities. Its purpose it to assist the British section of the European League for Economic Co-operation to participate in the actitives of the League and to organise a programme of visits, exchanges and conferences concerned with economic co-operation in Western Europe. The British section of the European League for Economic Co-operation exists to promote economic co-operation in Europe, particularly in the fields of monetary, economic and agricultural policies.

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs why he has increased the grant-in-aid to the British sector of Europa Nostra for 1972–73 by £15,000; and what is the purpose and object of this organisation and its expenditure.

The grant-in-aid is provided as part of a series of measures to increase contacts with Europe in view of our impending entry into the European Communities. Its purpose is to assist the British section of Europa Nostra to develop exchanges of views and visits between amenity societies in Britain and Europe through the medium of Europa Nostra. Europa Nostra is an international federation embracing all the principal non-governmental organisations working for urban and natural conservation in Western Europe.

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs why he has increased the grant-in-aid to the British sector of the Council of European Municipalities for 1972–73 by £10,000; and what is the purpose and object of this organisation and its expenditure.

The grant-in-aid is provided as part of a series of measures to increase contacts with Europe in view of our impending entry into the European Communities.Its purpose to to assist the British section of the Council of European Municipalities with a joint programme with the International Union of Local Authorities in fostering closer links with European organisations concerned with local government affairs.The Council of European Municipalities is an association of municipalities and regional bodies in Western European countries which exists

inter alia to strengthen the autonomy of local authorities, to improve the administration of municipalities, to advance European unity, and to ensure the participation by local authorities in the work of European organisations and institutions.

Mr Iain Macleod

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs what action he has taken or intends taking to protest to the West German Government at the shooting of Mr. Jain Macleod, a British businessman, by a West German policeman on 25th June, 1972 in Stuttgart; and whether he will demand compensation from the West German Government for Mr. Macleod's next of kin.

Soon after Mr. Macleod's death we expressed our concern to the Federal German authorities and asked for a report as soon as possible. We have been kept fully informed by the German authorities on the course of their inquiries, the latest state of which show no basis for suspicion against Mr. Macleod. But the case is still under investigation and until this has been completed, it is not possible to say what action Her Majesty's Government intend to take.

European Students

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs if he will Rive further details about the offer of fellowships to post-graduate students from other European countries.

Yes. I drew the attention of the Committee of Ministers of the Council of Europe on 15th May to the statement that Her Majesty's Government would make available 50 such fellowships in 1973–74, under a scheme to be administered by the British Council. I expressed the hope that offers of similar awards by other European Governments might enable the scheme to develop as a multilateral initiative under the auspices of the Council of Europe in which case Her Majesty's Government would be willing to consider increasing the number of their own awards in subsequent years.This proposal is now for consideration by other Governments. It is the view of Her Majesty's Government that a multilateral scheme, if it comes into being, should be seen against the background of existing schemes and should consist essentially of a network of bilateral arrangements, with the minimum of central machinery. The Council of Europe would nevertheless play an essential rôle in keeping the scheme under review and making recommendations for its future progress.

Malawi

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs what assistance Her Majesty's Government are prepared to give to the Malawi Government towards the construction of an army barracks in the new capital of Malawi.

Her Majesty's Government have agreed to meet a request from the Government of Malawi for a grant of up to £1·15 million towards the cost of building barracks for a second battalion of the Malawi rifles in Lilongwe, which is to become the new capital of Malawi, on the understanding that the Malawi Government will buy military equipment of equivalent value in Britain from Malawi's own resources. Parliament will be asked to approve the necessary Supplementary Estimate for expenditure in the current financial year in due course. In the meantime, an advance will, if necessary, be sought from the contingencies fund.

European Economic Community

asked the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs when Parliament is to be consulted about the first stage of the European Economic Community economic and monetary union in cases where specific proposals have been made.

I have been asked to reply.Hon. Members will have their usual opportunities to raise questions about specific proposals as they think fit.

Home Department

Isle Of Man (Government Representative)

73.

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department if he will introduce legislation empowering him to appoint a Government representative in the Isle of Man with the same duty of protecting the interests of United Kingdom citizens in that island as is exercised by United Kingdom consular authorities in independent territories.

Constitutional Development (Wales)

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department if he will request the Commission on the Constitution, before coming to a final conclusion upon its recommendations for Wales, to make a survey of public opinion concerning the broad measure of constitutional development which is generally desired by people in Wales.

No. It is for the Commission to decide what evidence it requires to perform its task.

Bail (Vera System)

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department what representations have been made to him concerning the introduction of legislation which would enable courts to determine the appropriateness of granting bail in accordance with a points system on the lines of the Vera System, details of which are in his possession, which is applied in Manhattan, whereby an accused person would be rated in accordance with his reliability, family ties, length of residence in the community, employment and criminal record; and if he will make a statement as to the policy of the Government.

Support for such a system has been expressed by a number of organisations and individuals. My right hon. Friend is awaiting the views of the Working Party on bail procedures in magistrates' courts, which is considering the suggestions made.

Police Prosecutions

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department if he will make a statement concerning the Government's policy in respect of a memorandum which has been submitted to him by the Law Society recommending that police prosecutions should be conducted by legally qualified advocates.

Recommendations to that general effect were made as long ago as 1962 by the Royal Commission on the Police. They had the support of my right hon. Friend's predecessors, and have his; but it is for police authorities and chief constables to decide how far they should be adopted.

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department how many police prosecutions were conducted by police officers in magistrates' courts in England and Wales in each of the years 1969, 1970 and 1971.

Prisoners (Paye Repayments)

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department how many men in custody in Camp Hill Prison received Pay-As-You-Earn repayments in each of the years ended 5th April, 1969, 1970 and 1971; and what was the total repayment in each year.

The following payments were made to prisoners in Camp Hill Prison by the Inland Revenue:—

Year ending 5th AprilNo. of menTotal amount
196954£1,589
197069£1,788
197157£1,517
Most of these amounts were probably Pay-As-You-Earn repayments, but it is not possible to provide separate figures.

United Kingdom Passport Holders (Transport To India)

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department under what authority six United Kingdom passport holders who were detained in the United Kingdom since the beginning of June were made to board an aircraft belonging to an Australian airline; and under what circumstances the pilot of the aircraft refused to carry them to India.

Directions for removal were given under paragraph 3(2) of the First Schedule to the Commonwealth Immigrants Act, 1962. I understand that the commander of the aircraft gave no reason for his decision.

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department what has been the cost to the Exchequer of transporting six United Kingdom passport holders to and from India on two separate occasions in the last fortnight.

Horserace Totalisator Board

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department whether, in view of the fact that since the Totalisator Board forecast a loss of £350,000 in January during the financial year ended March, 1972 and its accounts now show a profit of £1¼ million, he will withdraw the Horserace Totalisator and Betting Levy Boards Bill which was based upon the financial difficulties of the Totalisator Board.

The improvement in the financial position of the Tote, though welcome, is a good deal less than has been made to appear in certain Press accounts and has been amply recognised in the latest Government Amendments tabled to the Bill.

Environment

A52 (High Street-Wood Lane)

74

asked the Secretary of State for the Environment whether he will include a scheme to improve visibility at the junction of High Street and Wood Lane on the A52 in the current year's programme.

Yes, we expect to carry out a visibility improvement at this junction within the next few months.

Lorries (Dangerous Loads)

75.

asked the Secretary of State for the Environment whether his attention has been drawn to the accident on the M1 on Friday, 14th July, when three people burned to death when their car collided with a lorry laden with hot asphalt; and what proposals he has for improving the standards of safety to be applied to lorries carrying dangerous loads.

I understand that the police and fire service found no evidence suggesting that the asphalt load contributed to the accident or the ensuing fire. Safety standards of lorries are continually being improved.

Education (Rate-Borne Expenditure)

asked the Secretary of State for the Environment what has been the rate-borne per capita expenditure on education, for the last five years, in Somerset, Devon, Gloucestershire, Dorset. Hampshire and Wiltshire.

The following table shows the per capita expenditure on education of the county councils concerned for the years 1967–68 to 1970–71. Figures for 1971–72 are not yet available: —

Per Capita EXPENDITURE FOR EACH YEAR ON EDUCATION
1967–681966–691969–701970–71
££££
Devon24·527·129·833·6
Dorset27·328·631·635·2
Gloucestershire31·7334·36·640·6
Hampshire26·628·030·934·8
Somerset27·529·231·735·5
Wiltshire30·331·934·338·5
This expenditure forms part of the total of rate fund expenditure in respect of which rate support grant is paid, but it is not possible to attribute grant to individual services.

Motorways

asked the Secretary of State for the Environment how many miles of the M6 are now fitted with safety barriers; and what proportion of the total length is fitted.

When the present contract is complete in October of this year, 140 miles of M6 will have been equipped with central reserve safety barriers. This represents approximately 63 per cent. of the total length.

asked the Secretary of State for the Environment what proportion of the M1 is now fitted with safety barriers.

asked the Secretary of State for the Environment when he expects the whole of the M6 to be fitted with safety barriers; and what steps he is taking to expedite the work.

The M6 from the M1 to Penrith will, as a result of recent rescheduling, be equipped with central reserve safety barrier by March, 1974. It is not at present proposed to provide barriers on the remaining length.

Goods Vehicles (Reflective Markings)

asked the Secretary of State for the Environment if he will encourage the fitting of reflective rear markings on light goods vehicles on a permissive basis in the interests of road safety, in view of the number of organisations who operate light goods vehicles which by nature of their occupation have to travel at different speeds from the rest of the traffic and park in exposed places.

No. But I shall be requiring new light goods vehicles to be fitted with reflective number plates.

Planning Appeals

asked the Secretary of State for the Environment what has been the average delay for England and Wales between the hearing of a planning appeal by one of the inspectors, and his own final decision over the past 10 years; and what is the same figure in respect of hearings proceeding from the Peters-field constituency.

Information in the form requested is not available. The average time between inquiry and decision in the case of appeals decided by the Secretary of State in 1969, 1970 and 1971 was 14 weeks, 16 weeks and 18 weeks, comparable figures for appeals within the Petersfield constituency being 14 weeks, 18 weeks and 16 weeks.For appeals decided by Inspectors the corresponding times were four, six and eight weeks and five, five and seven weeks.

asked the Secretary of State for the Environment how many appeals against decisions of planning authorities he has received each year for the past 10 years, indicating whether these were from individual applicants or firms, and his decision.

The numbers of appeals under Section 36 of the Town and Country Planning Act, 1971, are as follows:

Decision*
YearReceivedWithdrawn
AllowedDismissed
196211,7313,9442,2415,988
196311,6463,5532,2125,947
196413,6294,2241,8926,455
196513,3624,1321,6496,539
196611,0884,2521,8726,707
196710,0902,6731,8796,219
19689,5932,7651,6744,984
19698,2122,7881,7874,405
19708,3622,5491,4873,967
19719,8182,7881,2444,272
1972 (to 30th June)6,2101,5547232,419
* Including from 1969 appeals transferred to Inspectors.
I regret that the rest of the information is not available.

Railways (Territory No 4)

asked the Secretary of State for the Environment whether he has concluded his examination of the recommendation of British Rail that York should be the territorial headquarters for territory No. 4; and whether he will make a statement.

I have nothing to add to the statement which I made in the House last week.—[Vol. 841, c. 2068–2079.]

Office Space (London)

asked the Secretary of State for the Environment whether, in view of the Greater London Council's estimate of 9 million square feet of unoccupied office space in London, and of the fact that 5·2 million square feet are under construction and planning permission has been given for a further 9·5 million square feet not yet started, he will suspend the issue of any further office development certificates in the London area.

Compulsory Purchase Orders (Compensation)

asked the Secretary of State for the Environment how often in the past 10 years land tribunals have varied compulsory purchase compensation arising from compulsory purchase orders made in the Petersfield constituency, and how; and what has been the average waiting time in each case.

I have been asked to reply. I regret that this information is not available.

Northern Ireland

Abortion

asked the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland whether he will consider making recommendations to

Article/ScheduleAlterationDetails
Article 17—Duties of teachers in controlled schools as to collective worship and religious education.The word "conscience" substituted for words "religious belief" in paragraph (2).This alteration was made following representations from various interests.
Article 51—Adaptation of enactments relating to the employment of children or young persons.Addition of paragraphs (2) and (3).These sub-paragraphs were added by the Ministry of Education to make provision similar to that proposed for Great Britain for work experience schemes for children in the last year of compulsory schooling.
Schedule 2—Education and Library Board.Addition of sub-paragraph (7) to paragraph (1).Because of the postponement of district council elections this sub-paragraph was added by the Ministry of Education to enable partially constituted boards to function in advance of the appointment of district council representatives.
Schedule 15—Enactments amended.Addition of amendment to Section 37 of the Children and Young Persons Act (N.I.) 1968.This amendment was included at the request of the Ministry of Home Affairs to enable children who have reached the age of 13 years to continue to undertake part-time work. Without this amendment the minimum age for part-time employment would have automatically risen to 14 years with the raising of the upper limit of compulsory school age to 16 years

Security Incidents

76.

asked the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland how many security incidents in Ulster have taken place in toto and in categories, of deaths, personal injuries and damage to property hospital management committees in Northern Ireland about facilities for in-patient and out-patient abortions; and as to how the facilities could be extended.

Education And Libraries Order

asked the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland how many alterations were made to the proposals for the draft Education and Libraries Order before it was finally laid; and on whose suggestions the alterations were made.

Between 16th June. 1972, when the proposals for the draft Education and Libraries (Northern Ireland) Order were published, and 10th July, 1972, when the draft Order was laid before Parliament, the following alterations were made:during the 125 days preceding Her Majesty's Government's political initiative on 24th March as compared with the 125 days following it.

Between 20th November, 1971 and 23rd March. 1972 there were 3,174 security incidents resulting in 139 deaths and 7,723 injuries requiring hospital treatment. From 24th March, 1972, until 27th July, 1972, there were 3,794 security incidents resulting in 187 deaths and 1,943 injuries requiring hospital treatment. During the first period specified there were 764 incidents which resulted in damage to property while in the second period there were 932.

"The Terror And The Tears"

asked the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland if he will publish in the OFFICIAL REPORT the letter sent by his Under-Secretary on 7th July, 1972 to the hon. Member for Down, North, in which he gave further information about the publication, "The Terror and the Tears".

Yes. The letter sent to the hon. Member was as follows:

"In my reply of 3rd July 1972 to your question about The Terror and the Tears, tabled for written answer on 23rd June, I said that stocks of the publication for sale to the public were exhausted by 12th June.
I very much regret that there was an inaccuracy in this answer. The first sentence of my reply should read: 'By that date stocks for distribution to the public were exhausted, all remaining copies being held for official purposes'. The Terror and the Tears is, of course, a Northern Ireland Government publication and is distributed free."

House Of Commons

Strangers' Gallery (Rules)

asked the Lord President of the Council if he will take steps to amend the rule that persons sitting in the Strangers' Gallery may not make notes on parliamentary proceedings, in view of the facts that many of those persons are students, and that the reporting of parliamentary proceedings is no longer a breach of privilege.

No. Note-taking cannot be satisfactorily distinguished from reporting, and reporting is the function of the Press Gallery. Any significant number of reporters in the Strangers' Gallery would reduce the accommodation available to the general public.

Refreshment Department (Inspection)

asked the Lord President of the Council when was the last occasion public health inspectors visited the kitchens in the public and the Members' cafeterias and dining rooms; and if he will request them to make a visit forthwith.

Conditions of hygiene within the House of Commons are maintained at the highest possible standard and regular inspections are made by fully qualified public health engineers of the Department of the Environment.The last time the kitchens in the public and the Members' cafeterias and dining rooms were visited was in March, 1971, and arrangements have been made for a further visit as soon as the current building work has been completed.

Mr John Poulson (Bankruptcy Proceedings)

asked the Lord President of the Council why he concluded that it would be inappropriate to place in the Library a copy of the transcript of the Poulson hearing while consultations were in progress.

I was advised that it would be inappropriate to place transcripts in the Library at a time when no decision had yet been taken as to the form of any further inquiry into Mr. Poulson's affairs and at a time when the transcript had not been certified as being correct. It still remains the position that the transcripts have not been certified. However, I understand that the Registrar has stated that he would have no objection to the transcripts in their present form being placed in the Library, and this has now been done.

Agriculture, Fisheries And Food

Dogs (Identity Discs)

asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food whether he is satisfied that identity discs are worn by enough dogs to enable local authorities to trace owners of dogs in order to enforce the law; what estimate lie has made of the percentage of dogs which wear the identification required by law; and if he will make a statement.

There are no national estimates of this kind. However my right hon. Friend the Secretary of State for the Environment will shortly be consulting the local authority associations about control of stray dogs, and he will of course have regard to any views they may express about the effectiveness of the identity disc provision. In the meantime my hon. Friend may agree that we are frequently described as a nation of dog lovers; and that responsible owners, having the interest of their dogs at heart, will make it their business to equip them with identity discs not only to comply with the law but to avoid, for example, the suffering, damage and anxiety that can be caused when dogs stray from their home premises.

Land Drainage

asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food whether he intends to issue a White Paper setting out the Government's view on aspects of land drainage, and how the agricultural implications of land drainage are to he effectively represented on the projected regional water authorities.

I have nothing to add at present to the reply I gave to the hon. Member for Wood Green (Mrs Joyce Butler) on 11th July last—[Vol. 840, c. 293.]

Woodlands (Dedication Plan)

asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food (1) why there was no consultation between his Department and such interested bodies as the Timber Growers' Association prior to the termination of the dedication plan for new owners of woodlands and of the planting grant for new planting by dedication plan owners additional to that provided for by existing schemes:(2) why no prior notice was given by his Department of the termination of the planting grant for new planting, additional to that provided for by existing schemes, by dedication plan owners:(3) why no prior notice was given by his Department of the termination of the dedication plan for new owners of woodlands.

The dedication and other grant schemes have not been terminated. As explained in the Consultative Document on Forestry Policy published on 28th June, these schemes have been suspended for new applicants pending decisions on a new scheme of grant-aid for private forestry to which the consultations we have put in train are intended to lead.

Potato Blight

asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food what action he is taking as a result of the current outbreak of potato blight.

During the past two months, my Department's Agricultural Development and Advisory service have in England and Wales issued a series of preliminary advisory notices to local and national radio and the Press. Most farmers with vulnerable crops should have already used a preliminary spray. With the advent of the recent warm and humid weather, my Department has also issued a Press Notice drawing attention to areas at risk and suggesting that farmers needing advice should consult their local advisory officer. The problem of this disease was also the subject of a discussion with one of our ADAS Scientists on the "Farming Today" programme on 25th July. Local advisory officers have been kept informed of the spread of the disease and the appropriate action to be taken locally. Advice on burning of haulm is also being given as necessary.

Pigs

asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food if he will now introduce legislation to ban the breeding of pigs by battery methods.

No. We have no evidence that pigs reared in cage systems are suffering any unnecessary pain or distress. Our Farm Animal Welfare Advisory Committee is, however, keeping these systems under continuing review.

Hill Farming Subsidy

asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food what is the amount per head of population of hill farming subsidy currently paid in Wales and in England, respectively.

In the last year for which figures are available, the grant paid under the Hill Sheep Subsidy, the Hill Cattle Subsidy, the Winter Keep Supple- ment, the Hill Land Improvement Scheme, the Farm Capital Grant Scheme and under hill farming and livestock rearing land improvement schemes amounted to £7,592,000 in Wales and £7,484,000 in England. This represents a sum of £2·79 per head of population in Wales and £0·16 per head in England.

European Economic Community

asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food what calculations his Department has made of the higher increased feeding costs for dairy farmers in Wales as compared with the average for the United Kingdom, following Great Britain's entry into the Common Market.

Separate calculations have not been made but I am not aware of any evidence to suggest that the increase in the prices of feedingstuffs in Wales will be greater than the average increase in the United Kingdom.

Livestock (Air Transit)

asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food how often in the past five years livestock has been lost while being carried as air cargo, or in transit between aircraft.

I would refer my hon. Friend to the reply I gave to my hon. and learned Friend the Member for Ruislip-Northwood (Mr. Crowder) on 26th July.—[Vol. 841, c. 336.]

Forestry Commission Land (Petersfield)

asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food (1) if he will list those woodlands held by the Forestry Commission in the Petersfield constituency to which the public are given admission; and on what conditions;(2) if he will list the land held by the Forestry Commission in the Petersfield constituency, giving the acreage of each holding, and the nature of the Commission's activity in each case.

It will take a little time to assemble the information my hon. Friend requires but I will write to her when it is available.

Defence

Industrial Civil Service (Pay)

asked the Minister of State for Defence (1) what the present pay offer to the Industrial Civil Service means in terms of a percentage increase to the lower paid workers;(2) what are the average earnings the Royal Ordnance Factories.

The £1·50 pay increase currently on offer to the Industrial Civil Service would add about 8½ per cent. to the basic rates of labourers in the Royal Ordnance Factories. Average earnings in a recent week for all male adult industrial workers in the Royal Ordnance Factories were £31·06.I regret that the information on these points given to the hon. Gentleman on 20th July was incorrect.—[Vol. 841. c. 895–897 and c.

144.]

Nato

asked the Minister of State for Defence if he will confirm the continuing need for active collaboration between the forces of the member nations of the North Atlantic Treaty Organisation.

We are always ready to initiate or examine bilaterally in the North Atlantic Treaty Organisation, or in the Eurogroup, proposals for collaboration to enhance the effectiveness of the forces available to the alliance.An understanding has been reached recently under which it is planned that two conventional submarines of the Royal Netherlands Navy should operate with the Third Submarine Squadron. Their operations will be co-ordinated with Royal Naval forces in order to increase the operational efficiency and flexibility of both the Royal Navy and the Royal Netherlands Navy.I welcome this development.

Education And Science

Deafness (Research)

asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science if she will publish in the OFFICIAL REPORT the amount spent in each of the last 10 years upon research into deafness and allied problems by the research councils.

Expenditure figures are not available because the heading of deafness and allied problems is not used by the research councils for the purpose of classifying their research activity. But a good deal of research relevant to deafness is carried out. One Medical Research Council unit is wholly concerned with problems of hearing and balance. Four other MRC units and a research group include relevant research in their programmes of work. Research work in ten university departments and medical schools is currently supported by grants from the MRC and a further 10 projects are supported by the Science Research and Social Science Research Councils. Future policy on research in this field is under consideration by a committee on which these research councils and the health departments are represented.

Adult Education (Russell Report)

asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science when it is now expected that the Russell report on adult education will be published.

I have nothing to add to the answer given in reply to the Question by my hon. Friend the Member for Cardiff, North (Mr. Michael Roberts) on 13th July.—[Vol. 840, c. 395.]

Speech Therapists (Quirk Report)

asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science when she anticipates publishing the Quirk Report concerning the conditions of service of speech therapists.

Employment

Industrial Disputes (Nirc Proceedings)

asked the Secretary of State for Employment what percentage of industrial disputes brought before the National Industrial Relations Court have been resolved as a result of National Industrial Relations Court proceedings.

Out of 23 disputes which have been the subject of proceedings before the National Industrial Relations Court, nine are known to have been settled following private or public proceedings before the court judgment is awaited in one case, four cases were dismissed by the court, one withdrawn and three referred to the Commission on Industrial Relations for investigation and report. These figures exclude complaints about individual rights heard on appeal from industrial tribunals, joint applications for approved closed shop agreements and applications by my right hon. Friend for court orders under Part VIII of the Industrial Relations Act.

Manufacturing Establishments (Closure)

asked the Secretary of State for Employment how many manufacturing establishments have closed in each region since 1st July, 1970.

According to records held by my Department the following numbers of manufacturing establishments are recorded as due to have closed in each Departmental region since 1st July, 1970:

Northern126
Yorks and Humberside239
Eastern and Southern209
London and South Eastern441
South Western61
Wales103
Midlands283
North Western381
Scotland281
Total2,124

School Leavers

asked the Secretary of State for Employment if he will now use facilities available in Government training establishments in order to provide special vocational training for unemployed school leavers in Scotland.

Most initial training of young people will continue to be the responsibility of employers. But a number of industrial training boards, in conjunction with my Department, have offered skilled training to school leavers who have been unable to obtain apprenticeships, and broad-based courses of limited skill in employers' establishments and colleges of further education are also available to young unemployed people who have no reasonable expectation of employment. Facilities in Government training centres are required mainly for adult trainees.

Equal Pay

asked the Secretary of State for Employment if the average progress in the north-east of England is in line with the average progress in the United Kingdom towards equal pay for women by 1975, as laid down in the Equal Pay Act.

We have no evidence to suggest that progress towards equal pay in the north-east differs significantly from that in the rest of the country.

Ransomes And Rapier, Ipswich (Closure)

asked the Secretary of State for Employment what proposals were made by the directors of Newton Chamber in his recent discussions with them concerning the suggested closure of Ransomes and Rapier of Ipswich, concerning alternative employment for long-service skilled engineering workers at present employed at the Waterside works.

I was informed at the meeting that the company would be proposing to make about 40 jobs available at Sheffield, mainly for categories such as design and production engineerings. No firm indications were given-concerning skilled engineering craftsmen, but I understand that a number of local firms have already been in touch with the company about such workers becoming available, and I can assure my hon. Friend that the full facilities of my Department would be made available to help in redeployment.

asked the Secretary of State for Employment whether he is now satisfied, following his recent discussions with the directors of Newton Chambers concerning the suggested closure of Ransomes and Rapier of Ipswich, that the announcement of the said proposed closure on 3rd June was within the terms of the Code of Industrial Practice and if he will make a statement.

Authoritative rulings about compliance with the Code of Industrial Relations Practice can be given only by an industrial tribunal or by the Industrial Court. I understand however, that the directors have now informed the trade unions that they are prepared to have full consultations with them and that meanwhile no final decision will be taken on the proposed closure.

asked the Secretary of State for Employment what proposals were made by the directors of Newton Chambers in his recent discussions with them concerning the suggested closure of Ransomes and Rapier of Ipswich, concerning the position of indentured apprentices with that company.

I was informed at the meeting that about 40 of the 81 apprentices concerned would have completed their apprenticeship by the time the phasing of the proposed closure had been completed and that an undertaking had been given that arrangements would be made for the remainder to complete their apprenticeship. Local offices of the Department would, of course, give all possible help, in association with other interested organisations.

asked the Secretary of State for Employment what undertaking was given to him by the directors of Newton Chambers during his recent discussions with them concerning the suggested closure of Ransomes and Rapiers of Ipswich, that no such closure of the Waterside works would take place until viable alternative job opportunities were available on the site concerned.

This particular matter was not discussed at the meeting, but the Chairman of Newton Chambers confirmed that no final decision as to closure had yet been taken and that there would be further consultations with the trade unions.

Unemployed Rates

asked the Secretary of State for Employment what has been the percentage average rate of unemployment for Clacton-on-Sea over the last year.

In the area covered by the Clacton-on-Sea employment exchange, the average rate of unemployment during the period August, 1971 to July, 1972 was 7·2 per cent.

asked the Secretary of State for Employment what has been the percentage average rate of unemployment for men and women, respectively, in Clacton-on-Sea over the last year; and what was the percentage rate in December, 1969, December, 1970 and December, 1971, and in June, 1969, June, 1970, and June, 1971.

Following is the information:

Percentage rates of unemployment in the area covered by the Clacton-on-Sea Employment Exchange.
MalesFemales
June, 19696·60·9
December, 196910·31·6
June, 19706·70·7
December, 197011·41·7
June, 19717·80·7
December, 197113·92·4
Average August, 1971 to July, 197211·42·0

asked the Secretary of State for Employment what was the average percentage rate of unemployment in Essex and the South-East area compared to that of Clacton-on-Sea, over the last year, in June and December, respectively.

In the following table, the figures for Essex do not include the parts of the county that are in the Greater London Council area.

Percentage rates of unemployment
December, 1971June, 1972
Essex, outside Greater London3·73·0
South-East region2·31·9
Clacton-on-Sea8·84·9

asked the Secretary of State for Employment (1) how many towns outside development areas and intermediate areas, of a similar size to Clacton-on-Sea, have a higher percentage rate of unemployment;(2) how many towns of a similar size to Clacton-on-Sea in development areas and intermediate areas, respectively, have a percentage rate of unemployment higher than Clacton-on-Sea;(3) how many towns in development areas and intermediate areas, respectively, of a similar size to Clacton-on-Sea have a lower percentage rate of unemployment than Clacton-on-Sea.

Rates of unemployment are calculated for employment exchange areas either singly, or grouped to form travel-to-work areas, by expressing the numbers registered as unem- ployed as percentages of the estimated total numbers of employees, employed and unemployed. In the following table, information is shown for employment exchange or travel-to-work areas with more than 12,000 and up to 15,000 employees:

Percentage rates of unemployment at 10th July, 1972 for employment exchange or travel-to-work areas with more than 12,000 and up to 15,000 employees.
Outside Development and Intermediate Areas
Per cent.
Clacton-on-Sea4·9
Wisbech5·8
Within Development and Intermediate Areas
Higher than Clacton-on-Sea
Elgin*5·0
Cumnock5·7
Hemsworth*9·4
Lower than Clacton-on-Sea
Galashiels1·9
Brighouse2·0
Shaw*2·5
Skipton2·9
Oswestry3·8
Rhyl4·8
Ystradgynlais*4·8
* Travel-to-work area.

Index-Linked Wage System

asked the Secretary of State for Employment what European countries operate an index-linked wage system; and to what extent this has affected inflation in those countries, from information available from international sources.

A report by an OECD working party last year showed that arrangements which link wages to the movement in prices are used extensively in Belgium, Denmark, Ita1y, the Netherlands, and Norway. The working party considered that it was difficult to draw conclusions about how index-linkage affects inflation since much depends on the prevailing circumstances, the effect of index-linkage on the whet elements of the wage bargain and the overall policies being pursued.

Training

asked the Secretary of State for Employment when he intends the training opportunities scheme will start operating.

The scheme will begin to operate as from 7th August. Its purpose is to offer an increased range of full-time courses to individuals who wish to train for new employment. The scheme will continue courses at present available under the Government Vocational Training Scheme and extend the range to include certain courses of further education lasting 12 months or less which are available in further education establishments or private colleges. The increasing number of areas in which courses will be available will be of particular benefit to those whose mobility may be restricted such as some disabled people and married women returning to work after raising a family.My right hon. Friends the Education Ministers have consulted the bodies concerned in the education service about these arrangements which are intended to enable a start to be made on an interim basis at the beginning of the coming academic year.Further details of the scheme are available from my Department.

asked the Secretary of State for Employment what progress he estimates has been made towards his target under the training opportunities scheme of training 60,000 to 70,000 men and women by 1975.

14,870 people were trained in the first six months of 1972, compared with about 18,000 during the whole of 1971. At that rate, at least 30,000 will be trained during 1972. I am pleased with the progress already achieved, which is well on target.

asked the Secretary of State for Employment how many people were trained under the Vocational Training Scheme in the first six months of 1972 or to the latest convenient date; how this compares with the equivalent period for 1971; and if he will make a statement.

14,870 men and women completed training during the first six months of 1972, compared with 9,474 during the first six months of 1971. The introduction of the Training Opportunities Scheme, announced today, is expected to stimulate further demand for courses.

National Finance

Value Added Tax

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer if, in view of the fact that all youth hostels in European Economic Community countries are exempt from value added tax, he will seek to exempt from value added tax all such hostels in the United Kingdom.

I would refer the hon. Member to what I said in the debate on this subject in Standing Committee E on 7th June.—[Cols. 417–28.]

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer whether it is Her Majesty's Government's policy to charge value added tax on the basis of income of individual branches of a national charity or on the basis of income of the organisation as a whole and if he will make a statement.

The Government are looking into the possibility of treating branches of charities as separate entities for the purposes of value added tax, even if they are not formally separate from the parent body. Those charities which might benefit from a proposal of this nature have been invited to discuss the matter with the Customs and Excise before the date on which they would normally be due to register for VAT. The criterion for exemption from VAT of a small trader is, of course, taxable turnover, not income.

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer if, when value added tax is introduced on 1st April, 1973, he will ensure that all hire-purchase agreements entered into before 1st April, 1973, will not be subject to increases in any way as a result of value added tax.

I cannot comment on the terms of individual contracts. Sales by means of hire-purchase agreements entered into before 1st April, 1973, will not, however, be liable to value added tax.

Social Services

Deafness

asked the Secretary of State for Social Services if he will publish in the OFFICIAL REPORT the total amount spent by his Department in each of the last 10 years on research into deafness.

My Department has not hitherto incurred any substantial expenditure on research into deafness. We are now considering with the Medical Research Council what support we should give in future.

Pensions (Reciprocal Arrangements)

asked the Secretary of State for Social Services what further reciprocal arrangements are now being made with other countries to enable emigré retirement pensioners to receive pension increases.

It is hoped that the agreement with Austria will come into force on 1st October, 1972 and that a revised agreement with Guernsey and Jersey will come into force on 2nd October, 1972. Negotiations for an agreement with Jamaica are in their final stages. One effect of all these agreements will be that our full pension increases will be paid in future in the countries concerned. We have also made proposals for an agreement with Spain but have not yet reached the stage of negotiations.

Hospitals(Leicester)

asked the Secretary of State for Social Services what is the average weekly cost of keeping a patient in the City General Hospital and Royal Infirmary, Leicester; and what is the national average.

Costs for the financial year 1971–72 are not yet available. In 1970–71 the average cost per in-patient week for Leicester General Hospital was £64.35, and for the Royal Infirmary £66.60. The national average for all non-teaching hospitals similarly classified as "acute" and with more than 100 beds was £66.70.

asked the Secretary of State for Social Services what is the average waiting time for patients to see consultants in the Leicester area.

According to the specialty concerned, waiting times for consultant appointments in the Leicester area vary from nil to 17 weeks. The median time for all specialties is four weeks. Urgent cases are seen immediately.

asked the Secretary of State for Social Services how many people have been waiting longer than six months and 12 months, respectively, for admission to hospitals in the Leicester area.

On 30th March, 1972, of a total of 6,551 people who had been waiting six months or longer for admission to hospitals in the Leicester area, 4,666 had been waiting 12 months or longer.

asked the Secretary of State for Social Services how many people were waiting admissions to hospitals in the Leicester area on the last date for which admission is available; and what was the figure for the past five years.

On 31st March, 1972, 9,956 people were waiting admission to hospitals in the Leicester area. The corresponding figures for the previous five years are:

197110,479
19709,312
19699,332
19688,887
19677,992

asked the Secretary of State for Social Services what has been the capital expenditure on hospitals in the Leicester area in each of the past five years; and what is the projected capital expenditure on hospitals in the Leicester area for the next five years.

The information is as follows:

CAPITAL EXPENDITURE ON HOSPITALS IN THE AREAS OF THE LEICESTER No. 1, No. 2, No. 3 AND No. 4 HOSPITAL MANAGEMENT COMMITTEES
£000
1967–68671·6
1968–69803·6
1969–70896·5
1970–711,161·7
1971–721,447·1
Hospital capital expenditure in the current year—1972–73—in these hospital management committee areas is estimated at £2,442,000. Estimates for subsequent years are not available.

asked the Secretary of State for Social Services if he is satisfied with the level of hospital services in the Leicester area; and if he will make a statement.

I would refer the hon. Member to my reply to my hon. Friend the Member for Harborough (Mr. Farr) during the debate on the Consolidated Fund (No. 2) Bill on 20th March, 1972. and the Adjournment debate on 14th December, 1971.—[Vol. 833, c. 1266–83; Vol. 828, c. 418–28.]

Scotland

Derelict Land

asked the Secretary of State for Scotland if he will list the derelict

LOCAL AUTHORITY SCHEMES FOR REHABILITATION OF DERELICT LAND IN PROGRESS AT 30TH JUNE, 1972
Local AuthoritySchemeAcreageCost of Works £
Aberdeen CityLeggart Terrace1·3791
Aberdeen CityDuthie Park4·21,520
Ayr County Derelict Land at Mossblown 13·729,637
Troon Burgh Railway Embankment346
Troon Station/Harbour(additional works)
Clackmannan CountyCandleriggs Brewery2·221,477
Wilderness Cellars
Clackmannan CountyFormer Model Lodging House0·4640
Clackmannan CountyFishcross0·1383
Langholm BurghRailway Station9·030,672
Dunbarton CountyRenton1·09,531
Dunbarton CountyPaper Mill Site Milngavie 16·724,843
Dunbar BurghSeafield 13·646,980
Fife County Lochore Meadows (3rd Phase)575·8124,682
Fife CountySite at Guardbridge2·73·753
Kirkcaldy BurghVictoria Road, Kirkcaldy (former A. H McIntosh factory)3·219,660
Burntisland BurghRossend-Red Pond Area1,820
Lanark CountyBothwell/Uddingston Railway Line and Spindlehowe Bing52·3113,693
Coatbridge BurghGartsherrie Ironworks Site43·04,085
Bishopbriggs BurghHuntershill9·254,163
Hamilton BurghBent and Allanshaw Bings34·7183,449
Hamilton BurghEarnock Bing (Hillhouse Road)35·0183,619
Motherwell BurghGreenhead Road/Stewarton Street26·325,676
Dalkeith BurghOld Brewery Building0·26,416
Dalkeith BurghHigh Street North54,206
Port Glasgow BurghGlasgow/Kilmalcolm/Princes Pier, Greenock Railway Line20·244,450
Jedburgh BurghNorth British Rayon Factory (Kenmore Hall)2,250
Galashiels BurghQueen Street (north area) 1·34,548
Stirling CountyRedding Colliery (Phase 2) 7·85,528
Eastern No. 1 District Council, Stirlingshire South Broomage13·546,187
Campsie and Baldernock District Council, StirlingshireWhitefield Pond Area, Lennoxtown1·310,310
FalkirkGrange/Camelon Works (Phase 1)9·43,054
FalkirkGrange/Camelon Works (Phase 2)5·86,583
FalkirkHopedale6·77,000
FalkirkCamelon Main Street (Phase 1)2·32,110
Falkirk Towers Brickworks Graham's Road0·92,981
Denny and DunipaceCarronbank1·06,788
Denny and DunipaceOld Liquor Works1·86380
West Lothian CountyEaster Inch Moss400·0157,745
West Lothian CountyStoneyburn128·039,539
1,444·661,281495

Notes

The list is based on tenders accepted for schemes approved for grant: work on a few of these schemes may not yet have been started on the ground.

It is not possible to provide total costs, because the cost of acquisition of land is often not available until some time after the start of work.

Similarly, because grant is payable both on works costs and on acquisition costs (less in some cases, any value of the land after rehabilitation) it is not possible yet to give total grant payable: but all these schemes will attract grant at the rate of 85 per cent. of the approved net cost.

land clearance schemes in progress at present in Scotland, the acreage of derelict land reclaimed, the grant approved, and the total cost of each scheme.

pursuant to his reply, OFFICIAL REPORT, 27th July, 1972, c. 389, supplied the following information:

School Leavers (Employment)

asked the Secretary of State for Scotland what special measures his Department is now taking to deal with the problems arising from unemployment among school leavers in Scotland.

I have been asked to reply.My Department has already agreed to share with the Engineering Industry Training Board the costs of providing in 1972–73 an apprentice awards scheme and other industry training boards have been asked to consider the need for similar schemes for their industries. We are also providing support for the National Association of Youth Clubs' Community Industry Scheme which is operating in two areas in Scotland and is already providing employment for over 125 young people. The need for further measures is being kept closely under review.

Glasgow Sheriff Court

asked the Secretary of State for Scotland in what year the Glasgow Sheriff Court was built.

Glasgow Sheriff Court comprises two buildings, the main court house which was erected in 1860 and converted to court accommodation in or about 1890, and Lanarkshire House which was converted to court accommodation in 1965.

Gorbals John Knox Church

asked the Secretary of State for Scotland into what category of buildings of historic and architectural interest the church at present occupying the site of the new Glasgow Sheriff Court is placed; and how many examples of church architecture from a similar period are extant in the Glasgow area.

The Gorbals John Knox Church, which occupies part of the proposed site for the new Glasgow Sheriff Court, is a Category B listed building, St. George's, Tron is the only comparable classical early 19th century church in Glasgow.

Glasgow Sheriff Court

asked the Lord Advocate what on average, is the period of waiting between arrest of an accused person and trial by sheriff, and sheriff and jury, respectively, in the Glasgow Sheriff Court.

The average periods of waiting for trial are as follows:

  • (1) in summary cases before the Sheriff
  • (a) if accused is in custody—3 weeks.
  • (b) if accused is on bail—3½ months.
  • (2) in cases on indictment before the Sheriff and a jury
  • (a) if accused is in custody—2½ months.
  • (b) if accused is on bail—3 to 4 months
  • Rents (Secretary Of State's Speech)

    pursuant to his reply to the right hon. Member for Huyton (Mr. Harold Wilson), OFFICIAL. REPORT, 25th July, 1972, cols. 1529–31, supplied the following text:10, Downing Street,Whitehall,Dear Harold,In answer to Supplementary Questions from you on 20th July I undertook to let you have estimates of the extent to which council and private tenants will be affected over the next 12 months by rent increases or rebates as a result of the Housing Finance Bill.There are about 8 million tenants in England and Wales. The Bill will not alter the rent which about 4¼ million tenants will meet from their own resources over the next 12 months either because they are receiving Supplementary Benefit, or because they are private tenants in categories not affected by the Bill during this period. The other 3¾ million tenants are expected to be broadly affected as follows:

  • (1) In October, 1972 about 1 million council tenants who do not qualify for a rebate are estimated to pay an extra £1 a week, and about ½ million are estimated to pay (on average) an extra 60p a week.
  • (2)In October 1972 about ½ million council tenants are estimated to qualify for a rebate which, on average, might reduce the rent paid, after the October, 1972 increase, by 30–50p a week.
  • (3) In April, 1973 about 1¼ million council tenants who do not qualify for a rebate are estimated to pay an extra 40p a week (on average) and rather more than ¼ million council tenants who qualify for a rebate are estimated to pay an extra 15p a week.
  • (4) After January, 1973 about 60,000 private controlled tenants passing into rent regulation are expected to have their rent increased by an average of 70p a week.
  • (5) In January, 1973 about 200,000 private regulated and controlled tenancies are estimated to qualify for a rent allowance which might reduce the rent met by them by an average of about £1·50 a week
  • As you know, those tenants who will be required to pay an extra £1 a week in October will normally not have had a rent increase for 18 months or more nor will they be subject to a further increase for 12 months thereafter

    These figures cover England and Wales: the position in Scotland is different because the maximum average increase in weekly rents this year is 75p rather than El and because council house rents in Scotland are moving to pooled historic rents, not fair rents

    Because of all this and because, as I explained in my answers in the House, the amount and percentage of any rent increase or decrease depends on individual and local circumstances, any national average figure must be very uncertain and perhaps misleading. However, the best estimate we have been able to make is that over the next 12 months the net average effect of the two Bills might be to increase total rents in Great Britain by about 7½ per cent.

    Yours sincerely,

    Edward Heath

    The Right Hon. Harold Wilson. O. B.E., F.R.S., M P

    Civil Service

    Higher Civil Servants (Industrial Employment)

    asked the Minister for the Civil Service how many officials of Government Departments of Deputy Secretary rank and upwards have taken up employment in industry as advisers upon retirement, or earlier, during the past seven years.

    Departments consult the Civil Service Department about requests from officials of Deputy Secretary rank and above who are contemplating accepting business appointments within two years of retirement or resignation with firms which are in contractual or other special relationships with the Government and in certain other cases. Since 1964 there have been 40 such cases, including officers of the Armed Forces of equivalent rank.

    Computers (Single-Tender Contracts)

    asked the Minister for the Civil Service whether he will now reply to the recommendation of the Select Committee on Science and Technology about the practice of awarding single-tender contracts in the United Kingdom computer industry: and if he will make a statement.

    As indicated to the House by my right hon. Friend the Minister for Industrial Development on 3rd July, the Government intend that the existing policy for Government computer purchasing should continue for the present. This includes single tendering for certain computers.

    asked the Minister for the Civil Service how many Government contracts for administrative and general purpose computers have now been awarded to International Computers Limited on a non-competitive single-tender basis since April, 1971; and if he will make a statement.

    Twenty-one Government contracts have been awarded for computers for administrative and general purpose systems between 1st April, 1971, and 30th June, 1972. Of these 15 have been awarded to ICL on a single tender basis.