Skip to main content

Written Answers

Volume 847: debated on Thursday 7 December 1972

The text on this page has been created from Hansard archive content, it may contain typographical errors.

Written Answers To Questions

Thursday 7th December 1972

Home Department

Hexachlorophane

13.

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department if he will introduce regulations to require manufacturers of toilet preparations containing hexachlorophane to indicate this on the label or wrapper of the preparations concerned.

As I indicated in reply to the hon. Member's Question on 21st November, I am considering whether further action is necessary.—[Vol. 846, c. 373.]

Young Offenders (Sentences)

19.

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department whether he will introduce legislation to amend Section 3 of the Criminal Justice Act 1961; and whether he will make a statement.

My right hon. Friend will consider the question of legislation to amend Section 3 of the Criminal Justice Act 1961 when he has received the report of the Advisory Council on the Penal System, which is reviewing this and other aspects of the existing arrangements for the sentencing and treatment of young offenders.

Ugandan Asians

20.

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department what recent discussions he has had with the chairman of the resettlement board concerning the settlement of Ugandan Asian refugees who still remain in reception centres.

We are in close touch with the Chairman of the Uganda Resettlement Board about the board's policy of maximum dispersal. Everything possible is being done to discourage refugees still in reception centres from going to areas where social facilities are under strain.

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department whether he will give, for the latest and most convenient stated date, the total number of Uganda Asians still in residence in the resettlement camps, how many have been rehoused, how many have been placed into employment, how many are awaiting employment, to what extent all the children have been allocated school places and how many are awaiting such placings.

On 1st December there were 10,315 refugees in the Uganda Resettlement Board's centres, and by the same date about 3,650 people had been rehoused by the board. By 24th November some 1,700 of the refugees had been found jobs by the Department of Employment; just under 3,400 of those in the centres were still waiting to be placed in employment. The provision and allocation of school places are matters for local education authorities.

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department on what dates he has had discussions with the Uganda Resettlement Board; and what problems were discussed.

On 14th September my right hon. Friend attended one of the board's meetings, and he is keeping in close touch with the chairman and members of the board on all matters concerned with the board's work.

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department whether he will arrange for the Uganda Resettlement Board to provide immediate retrospective and long-term financial aid for the London Borough of Newham.

The board is authorised to make grants to local authorities in respect of expenditure incurred in resettling refugees from Uganda. Details were sent to all local authorities on 1st November. The board has not so far received any applications for grant from the London Borough of Newham.

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department whether he will publish in the OFFICIAL REPORT a detailed list of the authorities which have submitted application for immediate grants from the Uganda Resettlement Board; and how much of the initial provision of £600,000 has been allocated to each of these local authorities.

Prior approval is not required for expenditure falling within the terms and limits set out in the board's letter of 1st November to local authorities. Twenty-three authorities have so far sought approval for other expenditure. Ten of these applications have already been approved.

Probation Officers And Social Workers (Pay)

22.

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department if he will review the question of the recommended starting salary for qualified probation officers and social workers; and if he will make a statement.

Subsequent to the Butterworth recommendations about common national starting salaries, the Joint Negotiating Committee for the Probation Service agreed to undertake a survey to establish the facts as to starting salaries paid to local authority social workers at 31st December next, following which both sides would use their best endeavours to secure any fair adjustments on entry points for probation officers from 1st January, 1973. As regards social workers, I would refer the hon. Member to the reply given on 27th November by my hon. Friend the Under-Secretary of State for Health and Social Security to Questions by the hon. Member for Portsmouth, West (Mr. Judd).—[Vol. 847, c. 46–50.]

Police Forces (Strength)

25.

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department what has been the net increase in police strength since 1st July, 1970; how this compares with the net increase for the corresponding length of period ended 1st July, 1970; and whether he will make a statement.

For the period 1st July, 1970, to 31st October, 1972, there was a net increase in police strength in England and Wales of 6,624. For the 28 months before that date the increase was 1,670. The Government consider that the strengthening of the police service is an essential element in the fight against crime and continue to give it high priority.

39.

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department to what extent the police are still under establishment.

On 31st October the number of police officers in England and Wales was 99,400, 11,800 below the present authorised establishment of 111,200.

Immigration

26.

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department whether he will now bring in legislation to halt all further immigration from all sources by heads of families into the United Kingdom for a period of five years, except for those from the old Commonwealth who have direct hereditary links with the United Kingdom.

I intend to maintain a strict control over immigration, but I could not justify the extreme measure which my hon. Friend suggests.

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department whether he will make a statement on recent and future trends in immigration.

There has for some years been a declining trend in admission for settlement of citizens of other countries. When the Immigration Act, 1971, comes fully into force on 1st January the powers to control immigration will be strengthened and I intend to make full use of them.

Deportation (Guidance Notes)

27.

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department if he will take steps to publish notes for guidance of people liable to deportation in a number of languages and arrange for them to be issued to every deportee or potential deportee.

I do not think that this would be appropriate. The notices about eligibility for deportation or rights of appeal which, by statute, are supplied to persons concerned are in English. But advice is available to those who need help in understanding them; and a translation, of itself, would not usually be sufficient since those concerned may well be unfamiliar with our legal processes.

Puppies (Docking)

28.

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department if he will take steps to prohibit the docking of puppies' tails, as recommended by the Council of the British Veterinary Association.

The docking of puppies' tails is subject to the restrictions imposed by the Protection of Animals (Anaesthetics) Act 1954 and the Veterinary Surgeons Act 1966. I am not persuaded that the Government should seek powers to prohibit the practice.

Privacy (Younger Report)

30.

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department when he proposes to announce the Government's reactions to the recommendations of the Younger Committee on Privacy; and whether he will make a statement.

Further study and consultation will be necessary before the Government are in a position to announce conclusions on all the numerous recommendations in this report. We hope to be able to provide the House with more information shortly.

Motorway Speeding (Thames Valley)

32.

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department if he will call for a report on the number of prosecutions brought during the past six months against motorists stopped for speeding on sections of the M4 and M1 policed by the Thames Valley police force; and in how many of these cases previous warnings had been issued.

Vagrancy Acts (Prosecutions)

34.

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department in how many instances in 1972 prosecutions have been conducted under the Vagrancy Acts where charges have been made involving the display of printed publications.

Figures for 1972 are not yet available. In 1971, 43 persons were proceeded against. Forty were found guilty.

Persons Awaiting Trial

35.

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department what delays are faced by persons charged with offences before they come to trial, and how many on remand are kept in prison and later found not guilty; and if he will introduce legislation to further extend the classification of cases to be tried by magistrates, in order to prevent this delay in the provision of justice.

A recent return shows that the average time between committal for trial and trial in the Crown Court in England and Wales was about eight weeks where the accused was in custody and 12 weeks in other cases. About 5 per cent. of those received into custody in 1971 at some stage before their trial, either in the Crown Court or in a magistrates' court, were found not guilty or the case was not proceeded with. In consultation with other Ministers concerned, my right hon. Friend has under review the question whether a larger proportion of accused persons could be dealt with summarily, but he has not yet formed any view as to the need for legislation.

Immigration Officers (Duties)

36.

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department if he will introduce legislation to provide for a legal remedy to be available in the event of an immigration officer failing to carry out his duties without regard to race, colour or religion as is set out in the new immigration rules.

No. Sufficient remedies would be available by way of appeal or by complaint to me or to the Parliamentary Commissioner for Administration.

Illegal Immigration

37.

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department how many successful prosecutions for illegal immigration there have been in each of the last five years; and whether he will make a statement.

As far as I know, two in 1968, 26 in 1969, 38 in 1970, 19 in 1971 and six so far in 1972.

Animal Breeding Establishments

38.

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department if he will take steps to amend the Animal Boarding Establishment Act 1963 so as to extend the licensing and inspection provisions to animal breeding establishments.

No. I am not persuaded that the existing legal provisions for the protection of animals are inadequate in this context.

Football Grounds (Safety)

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department if he will make a statement on the discussions between representatives of the Football Association, the Football League, and the Home Office on 17th November about safety at grounds, in the light of the Wheatley Committee Report.

The meeting on 17th November was largely exploratory and provided the opportunity for a useful exchange of views. It was decided to set up an informal working group to study in greater depth a number of technical matters arising from Lord Wheatley's report.

Clothing (Flammable Materials)

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department whether he will consider bringing in legislation to compel manufacturers of children's T-shirts made from inflammable materials to put warning labels on their products.

My right hon. Friend is not convinced that such legislation would serve a useful purpose.

Dangerous Substances (Road Transit)

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department whether he is satisfied with emergency arrangements for accidents involving road vehicles carrying dangerous chemicals; and whether he will make a statement.

Controls over the conveyance of dangerous substances by road are systematically being extended, as quickly as practicable, to additional classes of dangerous chemicals. Meanwhile, interim arrangements have been made whereby the emergency services can, in case of need, obtain information on how to deal with substances about which specific guidance has not been issued.

Terrorist Organisations (United Kingdom Activities)

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department if he will introduce legislation to render it unlawful for anyone living or residing anywhere within the United Kingdom to be a member of the Irish Republican Army, or any branch thereof.

I would refer my hon. Friend to the reply which I gave today to Questions by my hon. Friends the Members for Beckenham (Mr. Goodhart) and Down, North (Mr. Kilfedder).

Speed Limit Offences

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department how many motorists have been charged, and how many convicted, for exceeding the 30 miles per hour speed limit in inner London to date this year; and if he will make a statement.

I am obtaining the available information and shall write to the hon. Member.

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department whether he will publish in the OFFICIAL REPORT, for any stated period of time, details of the names or numbers of motorists in the Metropolitan Police area who have been prosecuted for speeding; and in how many of these cases they had received three previous warnings.

18,578 offences relating to speed limits were dealt with by prosecution in the Metropolitan Police District in 1971. Statistics showing how many of those concerned had previously received warnings are not available.

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department whether he will publish in the OFFICIAL REPORT, for any stated period of time, details of the names or numbers of motorists in the Metropolitan Police area who have been warned on three separate occasions for speeding where no prosecution has subsequently ensued.

I would refer the hon. Member to the reply which I gave to a Question by the hon. Member for Fife, West (Mr. William Hamilton) on 5th December.—[Vol. 847, c. 396.]

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department why he will not call for reports from chief constables and publish in the OFFICIAL REPORT details of the number of persons who were stopped by the police for speeding on the M1 for the longest and most convenient stated period of time up to and including Saturday 11th November, 1972, and what action was taken in each instance.

Because I see no advantage in incurring the high cost involved in obtaining the information.

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department whether he will obtain and publish in the OFFICIAL REPORT details of the number of motorists in the London Borough of Newham who were sent warnings in the week ended 25th November for speeding and how many received notice of prosecution.

The only information available is that 31 speed offences were reported in the week ended 25th November. Eleven are being dealt with by prosecution, and one by written caution. The remaining 19 are still under consideration.

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department whether he will publish in the OFFICIAL REPORT details of the number of motorists who have during the past 12 months been stopped in the London Borough of Newham for speeding; in how many of such cases the person had been stopped on two earlier occasions; and in how many of these cases prosecutions ensued and warnings were issued without prosecution.

The only information readily available is that in the London Borough of Newham during the period 1st January to 25th November, 1972, 731 speed offences were reported. Proceedings were instituted in 673 cases, 11 written cautions were sent and 47 cases are still under consideration.

Thames Valley Police

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department whether he will obtain and publish the total number of recruits to the Thames Valley Police during the past 12 months; and how many of these enrolled during the week ended 25th November, 1972.

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department why it took his Department until 28th November, 1972 to notify the hon. Member for West Ham, North that his letter of 18th November, 1972, complaining of the police notifying the Press of persons being cautioned for speeding, had been sent on to the chief constable of the Thames Valley police force.

The interim reply of 28th November was sent to the hon. Member within a reasonable period after his two letters of 18th November had been referred to the chief constable.

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department on how many occasions during the past six months he has had official discussions or written communications with the chief constable of the Thames Valley police; and on what subjects approaches were made by him or the chief constable during this period.

My right hon. Friend does not think it would be appropriate for him to publish detailed information of this kind about his communications with chief officers of police.

Junior Custodial Centres

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department when he expects to announce his proposals for increasing the number of junior custodial centres at which young people under the age of 14 years can be detained.

My right hon. Friend has no such proposals. Junior detention centres are provided for offenders between the ages of 14 and 17 and my right hon. Friend has no plans for making them available for younger children. The provision by local authorities of accomodation for children in their care is a matter for my right hon. Friends the Secretaries of State for Social Services and for Wales.

Mr Alan De Lury

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department why Mr. Alan de Lury, a New Zealander, was kept waiting for two weeks at Dover; why he has been granted a 30-day stay; and whether he will grant him a longer stay.

Mr. de Lury came here as a visitor in 1970. He over-stayed in breach of his conditions. When he returned on 13th November from a holiday in France he said that he was coming for employment. He was refused admission as having no employment voucher, and was returned to France the same day.On 21st November he was granted an entry certificate for a 30-day visit to to enable him to settle his affairs. Any application for an extension of stay would be considered most carefully.

Motor Vehicle Incident (Wiltshire)

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department, why he will not make a statement on the report he has received from the Chief Constable of Wiltshire regarding an individual whose name has been sent to him in connection with a car.

Commonwealth Immigrants

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department why the expenditure of £135,000 under subheads D.10 and 12 of the grants-in-aid connected with Commonwealth immigrants will not be accounted for in detail to the Comptroller and Auditor-General; why any unexpended balances of these sums issued will not be liable to surrender to the Consolidated Fund; and whether he will make a statement.

Only Sub-head D12 is directly connected with Commonwealth immigrants. These are contributions—like many others in Supply Estimates—to be used by the voluntary bodies and the charitable fund concerned for the general purposes for which they are established; and like other contributions to them could not be connected with particular expenditure. Audit of the whole of their expenditure is provided for under their constitutions.It is normal practice that unexpended balances of a grant-in-aid are not surrendered; but future instalments of a grant-in-aid take account of unspent sums.

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department how many applications for entry into the United Kingdom by Ugandan, Kenyan, Tanzanian and other Asians with non-United Kingdom passports, but with wives, children or other close relatives in the United Kingdom, have been refused at ports of entry; and to what countries applicants have been sent following such refusals.

Since 7th August 31 Asians from East Africa with close relatives in this country have been refused admission and sent away from the United Kingdom. Of these, 15 were from Uganda, one from Kenya and 15 from Tanzania. It is understood that eight went to Canada, seven to France, five to Germany, one to Kenya, one to Switzerland, one to Tanzania and eight to Uganda. In addition two citizens of Tanzania, one citizen of Kenya, 35 citizens of Uganda and 49 stateless Asians have been formally refused admission but are still in the United Kingdom: many have close relatives here.

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department in how many cases during 1970, 1971 and 1972, respectively, Kenyans, Tanzanians, Malawians, Singaporians and others holding United Kingdom passports resident in these countries were admitted to the United Kingdom by immigration officers for an initial period of less than six months.

Police Officers (Subsistence And Expenses)

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department whether he will call for reports from chief constables about police officers when on duty receiving food, drinks and other sustenance from persons or organisations connected with crime which might be under investigation; and whether police officers when on such duty are expected to meet the cost of their meals out of their pay and allowances.

The answer to the first part of the Question is "No". The answer to the second part is that police officers who necessarily incur additional expense to obtain food because of duty requirements are entitled to subsistence and refreshment allowances.

Prisoners (Careers Advice)

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department what steps he proposes to take to increase the careers guidance to men leaving prison; and whether he will ensure that every prison has a responsible officer to find employment for prisoners on their release.

There are in every prison in England and Wales welfare officers who are responsible for helping a prisoner find employment on release. This is normally arranged through local officers of the Department of Employment. The scope for supplementing these arrangements is being kept under review.

Colonel Moses Ali

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department why he will not arrange for the deportation to Uganda of Colonel Moses Ali, currently on a course in Great Britain.

Because such action would not be appropriate, even if my right hon. Friend had power to take it.

United Kingdom Passport Holders

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department for what reasons 230 United Kingdom passport holders from East Africa were refused admission up to 30th September, 1972; and how many of them came from Uganda.

I cannot usefully add to the reply I gave to the hon. Member's Question on 23rd November, 1972. I then explained that separate figures for Ugandan Asians are not available.—[Vol. 846, c. 488.]

London Traffic

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department whether he will call for a report from the Commissioner of Police of the Metropolis on the reasons for the hold up of London's traffic on the evening of Wednesday, 29th November; and what action he proposes to take to prevent such happenings in the future.

My right hon. Friend has received such a report. The police will continue to do all they can to facilitate the flow of traffic.

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department whether he has received a communication from the hon. Member for West Ham, North making proposals for the improvement in the flow of London's traffic, so far as matters within his Ministerial responsibilities for police action are concerned; and what action he proposes to take in this connection.

I have received such a communication and I am considering the points made in consultation with those concerned.

Licensing Laws

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department what is the Government's intention with regard to the Report of the Erroll Committee on drinking hours which was received by him on 23rd October, 1972 and published on 5th December.

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department what plans he has to introduce legislation to implement the proposals of the Erroll Committee on liquor licensing; and if he will make a statement.

I would refer to the reply which I gave to a Question by my hon. Friend the Member for Ipswich (Mr. Money) on 5th December.—[Vol. 847, c. 391–2.]

Metropolitan Police (Members' Correspondence)

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department whether he will ask the Commission of Police of the Metropolis to reply personally to communications sent to him by Members of Parliament.

This is a matter for the Commissioner of Police. He is concerned that the many letters he receives from hon. Members should receive prompt, courteous and careful attention, but he could not undertake to reply to all of them in person.

Road Traffic Offences (London)

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department whether he will publish in the OFFICIAL REPORT, for the longest stated period of time, the number of prosecutions initiated by the Metropolitan Police for failing to display a Road Fund licence, to have a certificate of roadworthiness and of insurance, faulty tyres, parking without lights, parking facing the traffic flow, parking on intersections and road junctions after dark and on banned areas, and for causing obstruction.

I shall send the hon. Member the available information when it has been assembled.

Police (Press Information)

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department whether he will set up a committee to inquire into the relationships between the police and the Press and, in particular, to consider the proposition that no information or comment should be supplied to the Press by the police or anyone acting on their behalf if there is likelihood of a prosecution, until such time as the summons has been issued or a decision taken that no legal enforcement will be initiated.

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department whether, in view of the information sent to him by the hon. Member for West Ham, North on 3rd December, he will call for a report to be made to ascertain how any why information to the Press was revealed by the head of the Liverpool Police of a prejudicial nature, before any notification of a prosecution had been made and before police investigations had been completed.

I have asked the Chief Constable of Liverpool and Bootle for a report.

Trial By Jury

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department what proposals he has for legislation to curtail the right to trial by jury.

In consultation with other Ministers concerned, my right hon. Friend is considering whether any changes in the law should be proposed to enable a greater proportion of criminal cases to be dealt with summarily and so to assist the Crown Court to deal efficiently and expeditiously with the more serious cases, but he has no present proposals for legislation.

Fire Precautions Act

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department (1) how many hotels and boarding houses required to register under the Fire Precautions Act have now done so; and if he will list in the OFFICIAL REPORT the relevant detailed statistics for England and Wales;(2) how many prosecutions have been brought in England and Wales for the offence of failing to register under the Fire Precautions Act; what proportion the number so prosecuted represents of the total number of defaulters; and what steps he now proposes to take.

I regret that this information is not available. The relevant offence under the Fire Precautions Act 1971 is that of not having a fire certificate in respect of a designated use of premises, and an occupier is not guilty of that offence if he has applied for a certificate and his application is under consideration. The institution of proceedings is a matter for fire authorities. I understand that good progress continues to be made in implementing the Act, but I shall keep the position under review.

Northern Ireland

Disturbances (Casualties And Damage)

41.

asked the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland what is the number of Servicemen from Great Britain and the number of children in Ulster below the age of 15 who have been killed or injured in the disturbances of the last five years; and what is his estimate of the cost of the damage and destruction of property in the same period.

143 Regular soldiers from Great Britain, excluding members of the Ulster Defence Regiment, have been killed in Northern Ireland during the last five years. Similar information on soldiers wounded is not readily available, but the total number of soldiers wounded, including members of the UDR, is 822.Since 1967 24 young people under 15 have been killed as a result of the civil disturbances in Northern Ireland. There are no separate figures readily available which show how many people under 15 have been injured.It is not possible to give a firm estimate of the cost of damage to property as there are a number of claims outstanding, but it is thought that compensation in the region of £50 million will be payable.

Government Proposals (White Paper)

42.

asked the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland when he now expects to publish his White Paper on the future of Northern Ireland.

I have nothing to add to the reply given to a Question by my hon. Friend the Member for Down, North (Mr. Kilfedder) on 9th November.—[Vol. 845, c. 224.]

Transport Users' Committee

43.

asked the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland how many meetings of the Transport Users' Council have been held since 1st April 1972.

I assume my hon. Friend is referring to the Transport Users' Committee set up under the Transport Act (Northern Ireland) 1967. There have been two meetings of this committee since 1st April 1972.

Royal Ulster Constabulary Reserve

asked the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland if he will detail the procedure for admission into the Royal Ulster Constabulary Reserve; and if he will give the average time it takes for the process to be completed.

When a preliminary inquiry is received, an application form is forwarded together with a leaflet explaining the conditions of service. Once the completed application form is returned, arrangements are made for the candidate to sit the educational entrance examination—unless he already has suitable educational qualifications. If the candidate meets the required educational standard, he is interviewed at his home by the local recruiting officer, and any necessary enquiries are made. Finally the candidate appears before a selection board.In straightforward cases the average lapse of time between application and notification of a decision on selection is about a month, but in other cases it may be six to eight weeks. The transfer of responsibility for the processing of applications to the Royal Ulster Constabulary recruiting branch will, it is hoped, reduce considerably the time taken to complete the process.

Green Paper (Distribution)

asked the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland whether he will publish a list of those to whom a copy of the Green Paper on the future of Northern Ireland was delivered before 12 noon on 30th October.

Advance copies of the Paper for Discussion were sent to:

  • Sir John Wheeler Bennett, K.C.V.O., O.B.E.
  • Dr. R. Blaney.
  • Mr. C. F. Carter.
  • Mr. T. Conaty.
  • Most Rev. Cardinal Conway.
  • Professor R. Cross.
  • Rt. Hon. The Lord Diplock of Wansford.
  • Rt. Hon. A. B. D. Faulkner, M.P.
  • Mr. G. Fitt, M.P.
  • Mr. A. E. Gibson.
  • Professor N. J. Gibson.
  • Col. The Rt. Hon. Lord Glentoran.
  • Rt. Hon. The Lord Grey of Naunton, G.C.M.G., K.C.V.O., O.B.E.
  • Mr. N. Kennedy.
  • Sir R. Kinahan.
  • Rev. E. R. Lindsay.
  • Rt. Rev. R. B. A. Lynas.
  • Mr. J. Lynch, T.D.
  • Mrs. A. Malone.
  • Miss S. Murnaghan.
  • Major The Rt. Hon. I. Neill, M.P.
  • Mr. J. H. Nichol.
  • Mr. J. O'Hara.
  • Hon. P. R. H. O'Neill, M.P.
  • Captain L. P. S. Orr, M.P.
  • Rev. Dr. I. R. K. Paisley, M.P.
  • Mr. R. B. Price.
  • Mr. M. Rees, M.P.
  • Mr. R. D. Rolston.
  • Sir Graham Shillington, C.B.E.
  • Most Rev. Archbishop Simms.
  • Mr. F. V. Simpson, M.P.
  • Rt. Hon. J. Thorpe, M.P.
  • Lt.-General Sir Harry Tuzo, K.C.B., O.B.E., M.C.
  • Mr. B. W. Walker.
  • Rt. Hon. J. H. Wilson, O.B.E., M.P.
  • Rt. Hon. G. Woodcock, C.B.E.
  • Rt. Hon. Sir Kenneth Younger.
Also, in accordance with normal practice, embargoed copies of the paper were made available to Press, radio and television on the day before publication.

Wales

Rhoose Airport

44.

asked the Secretary of State for Wales whether he will take steps to provide that the future responsibility for the Glamorgan, Rhoose, airport after local government reorganisation in Wales will be jointly shared by the three new county councils that will be the administrative authorities in the geographical county of Glamorgan; and if he will make a statement.

This is primarily a matter for the local authorities concerned but I would welcome their views at any time.

Dee Estuary Scheme

asked the Secretary of State for Wales what is the estimated capital cost of the preferred Flint-Burton single-purpose highway scheme; what is the net present value of the benefits; and by what amounts these sums will be increased if the crossing is constructed as a multi-purpose scheme with reservoirs built at the head of the estuary.

No decision on the line of a crossing will be taken until the alternatives have been evaluated in the light of the Water Resources Board's report on national water strategies.The consultants' estimates relating to the Flint-Burton and other possible lines are in pages 197–8 of Vol. 1 of the Report "Dee Estuary Scheme Phase IIA", a copy of which is in the Library.

Employment

Trainees (Allowances)

45.

asked the Secretary of State for Employment why the basic allowance for a man on the Government vocational training scheme is £11·75 and for a woman is only £10·75.

Training allowances were increased on 9th October, 1972. The allowances for men aged 20 and over were raised by 75p a week and those for women aged 20 and over by £1·25 a week as a further step towards equality of allowances for men and women. The rates paid to younger men and women are already equal.

Construction Industry (Training)

asked the Secretary of State for Employment if he is satisfied with the standard and methods of training of scaffolders in Government-sponsored training establishments; and if he will make a statement.

Training in scaffolding is provided at the Construction Industry Training Board's centre at Mitcham. My Department sponsors some trainees on courses there under the Training Opportunities Scheme and considers that the training they receive is of satisfactory standard.

University Graduates

asked the Secretary of State for Employment how many university graduates are unemployed in the Northern Region.

asked the Secretary of State for Employment what is his estimate of the number of vacancies available to university graduates in the Northern Region and the disciplines required.

The graduate employment market is national in character and vacancies throughout the country are available to graduates in the Northern Region. Information is not available on the number of job opportunities open to university graduates either nationally or in the Northern Region.

School Teachers

asked the Secretary of State for Employment what is the present unemployed percentage figure amongst school teachers compared to overall unemployment.

The percentage rates of unemployment for individual occupations are not available. At 6th September, 1972 there were 3,820 people registered as unemployed and seeking posts in teaching occupations.

Safety Officers

asked the Secretary of State for Employment what is the number of safety officers employed in industry how this figure compares with each of the years following 1968; and what proposals he has to encourage the training of safety officers and increase their numbers.

An inquiry made in 1968 disclosed that some 1,400 full-time and 2,300 part-time safety officers were employed in factories. I regret that no more recent information is available. The problem of ensuring that safety officers are properly qualified and adequately trained, and the question of which sectors of industry need to employ them, were considered by the Committee on Safety and Health at Work. The views expressed by the committee are now being studied.

Trade And Industry

Steel Prices

46.

asked the Secretary of State for Trade and Industry if he will now make a statement on the outcome of his discussions with the representatives of the European Commission on pricing policies for steel after 1st January.

Concorde

asked the Secretary of State for Trade and Industry in how many parliamentary constituencies work is being carried out on the production of Concorde; and if he will list the constituencies in the OFFICIAL REPORT.

The manufacturers in this country responsible for manufacturing major components of Concorde are situated in 27 parliamentary constituencies. Actually employees in these companies will be spread much more widely.

Constituencies where work is carried out in major components for production of Concorde

  • Acton.
  • Bedfordshire, Mid.
  • Birmingham, Handsworth.
  • Birmingham, Sparkbrook.
  • Bromsgrove.
  • Chichester.
  • Coventry, South.
  • Croydon, South.
  • Devizes.
  • Eastleigh.
  • Esher.
  • Glasgow, Craigton.
  • Gloucestershire, South.
  • Gosport and Fareham.
  • Hereford.
  • Hitchin.
  • Leeds, South.
  • New Forest.
  • Ogmore.
  • Pontypool.
  • Preston, North.
  • Pudsey.
  • Sheffield, Hillsborough.
  • Solihull.
  • West Lothian.
  • Willesden, East.
  • Yeovil.

Printing Machines

asked the Secretary of State for Trade and Industry what percentage of printing machines used in the United Kingdom is imported.

It is not possible to deduce what percentage of printing machines in use in the United Kingdom is imported. It is estimated that in 1971 imports accounted for 55 per cent. by cost of new machines, supplied to the printing industry.

asked the Secretary of State for Trade and Industry what research and development help is given by the Government to the production of printing machinery in the United Kingdom.

Assistance is provided through R and D contracts through the preproduction order scheme and through the NRDC.

Machine Tools

asked the Secretary of State for Trade and Industry what research and development help is given by the Government to the machine tool industry in the United Kingdom.

Assistance is provided through R and D contracts, preproduction orders, and through the National Research Development Corporation. Other forms of assistance include the research carried out by the National Engineering Laboratory, universities and industrial research associations, the results of which are made available to industry.

Heathrow (Night Flights)

asked the Secretary of State for Trade and Industry what plans he has to permit certain night flights from Heathrow for aircraft suitably equipped with silencing equipment.

There are no specific plans at present. I appreciate that there is a case for giving noise certificated aircraft preferential treatment under any night jet regime and this will be considered as part of the continuing review of night jet movements.

Copyright (Functional Designs)

asked the Secretary of State for Trade and Industry whether he has yet decided to introduce legislation to amend the Copyright Act, 1956, in order to remove difficulties arising out of the Design Copyright Act, 1968, with respect to the protection of functional designs; and whether he will make a statement.

My Department is seeking the views of bodies representing industry and practitioners on this point. I will be able to take a decision when their views are received.

Civil Service

Government Departments (Dispersal)

47.

asked the Minister for the Civil Service if he will place in the Library copies of the documents being circulated to the Civil Service trade unions in connection with the Hardman study of Civil Service dispersal from London.

No. Such documents have been sent to the staff sides on an "in confidence" basis.

House Of Commons (Waste Paper Disposal)

asked the Minister for the Civil Service what is the weight and salvage value of waste paper disposed of by the House of Commons in each of the last 12 months to 31st October, or the most convenient accounting date.

The weight of waste paper disposed of by the House of Commons in each of the last 12 months to 31st October is as follows:

Month and yearTonnes
November, 19713·962
December, 19714·928
January, 19723·810
February, 19725·791
March, 19723·962
April, 19724·674
May, 19725·791
June, 19725·588
July, 19725·791
August, 19722·692
September, 19722·540
October, 19724·166
Total tonnes53·695

The value cannot be given because it is not the practice to divulge rates which are confidential.

Counter-Inflation (Temporary Provisions) Act

asked the Minister for the Civil Service what estimate he has now made of the effect of the Counter-Inflation (Temporary Provisions) Act on public service manpower and additional cost to Departments.

I cannot usefully add to the reply I gave to the hon. Member for Heywood and Royton (Mr. Joel Barnett) on 22nd November.—[Vol. 846, c. 428–9.]

European Parliament

Q6.

asked the Prime Minister if he will seek to address the European Parliament.

Q28.

asked the Prime Minister what plans he has to seek to address the European Parliament.

Commonwealth Prime Ministers (Meeting)

Q7.

asked the Prime Minister if he will approach the Commonwealth Secretariat about convening a meeting of Commonwealth Prime Ministers.

asked the Prime Minister if he will approach the Commonwealth Secretariat about convening a further conference of Commonwealth Prime Ministers.

The Canadian Government have proposed that the next meeting be held in Ottawa some time next year, and the Commonwealth Secretary-General is consulting Commonwealth Governments about possible dates.

Inflation

Q8.

asked the Prime Minister whether he remains satisfied with the progress of Government anti-inflation policy; and if he will make a statement.

Q16.

asked the Prime Minister if, at the next meeting with the Trades Union Congress and the Confederation of British Industry, he will discuss inflation.

I made clear in my statement of 6th November that the Government are prepared to resume discussion between the three parties on the objectives and problems of economic management, including the problem of inflation.

Tariff Reductions

Q10.

asked the Prime Minister if he is satisfied with the coordination between the Secretary of State for Trade and Industry and the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs over the question of the next General Agreement on Tariffs and Trade round of tariff reductions; and if he will make a statement.

Yes. My right hon. Friends are preparing to play a full part with our partners in the enlarged Community in deciding by July next year on a global approach to the 1973 trade negotiations, as agreed at the summit conference.

Official Secrets Act

Q12.

asked the Prime Minister when he intends to take steps to implement the recommendations of the Franks Committee relating to Section 2 of the Official Secrets Act.

Q21.

asked the Prime Minister if he has now considered the recommendations of the Franks Committee; and if he will make a statement.

The Government are considering the committee's proposals and their conclusions will be announced as soon as possible.

Consumer Protection

Q13.

asked the Prime Minister if he will appoint a housewife to represent consumer interests on the Central Policy Review Staff.

I do not propose to appoint to the Central Policy Review Staff members of any particular section of the community in a representative capacity.

Steel Industry (Wales)

Q14.

asked the Prime Minister what recent discussions he has had concerning the future of the steel industry in Wales.

On 21st November, I met a delegation accompanied by the hon. Member for Flint, East (Mr. Barry Jones) and my hon. Friend the Member for the City of Chester (Mr. Temple) about the future of the Shotton steelworks. I am also kept informed of other Ministers' discussions on the future of the steel industry in Wales. The Government are considering the investment programme proposed by the British Steel Corporation and will take full account of the social as well as the economic implications of these proposals.

Economic Policy

Q18.

asked the Prime Minister if he will seek to invite representatives of the other members of the European Communities to the next round of tripartite talks on the economy.

Commonwealth Immigration

Q20.

asked the Prime Minister whether he will publish in the OFFICIAL REPORT details of the dates when he has had discussions with the Prime Ministers of Australia, New Zealand and Canada, since June 1970; and on how many of these occasions he discussed immigration within the Commonwealth generally and the United Kingdom in particular.

I have had bilateral talks with the Prime Minister of Australia on 9th November, 1971; with the Prime Minister of New Zealand on 14th April, 1971; and with the Prime Minister of Canada on 16th December, 1970, 17th December, 1971, and 3rd and 4th December, 1972. Leaving aside my latest talks with Mr. Trudeau, the subject of immigration was not raised at any of these bilateral talks, nor was it on the agenda of the Commonwealth Prime Ministers' meeting from 14th to 22nd of January in Singapore.During his visit last weekend, the Prime Minister of Canada told me that he had no complaint about the treatment of Canadians coming to Britain.

Prime Minister (Engagements)

Q22.

asked the Prime Minister if he will list his official engagements for Wednesday, 29th November.

After meetings in the morning with ministerial colleagues and others, I was host at a lunch for the retiring Belgian Ambassador at 10 Downing Street. In the afternoon, I attended the debate on the problems of thalidomide children, and my right hon. Friend the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland and I held a meeting with the right hon. Gentleman the Leader of the Opposition and the hon. Gentleman the Member for Leeds, South (Mr. Merlyn Rees). In the evening, I was host at a reception to mark the completion of the current programme of cleaning the Whitehall buildings.

Thalidomide Children

Q24.

asked the Prime Minister if he is satisfied with the co-ordination between the Departments of Education, Employment, Health and Social Security and the Environment in aiding thalidomide children and their families; and what proposals he has to improve co-ordinated services for these persons.

I would refer the right hon. Lady to the answer which I gave on 14th November to a Question from the hon. Member for Eccles (Mr. Carter-Jones).—[Vol. 846, c. 210–4.]

London Traffic

Q25.

asked the Prime Minister if he is satisfied with the co-ordination between the Home Office and the Department of the Environment in the study of London traffic problems; and if he will make a statement.

Studies of London traffic problems are primarily the responsibility of the Greater London Council.

Republic Of Ireland (Prime Minister)

Q26.

asked the Prime Minister what arrangements he has made for further official talks with the Prime Minister of the Irish Republic.

I have no plans at present for further official talks with Mr. Lynch.

Q29.

asked the Prime Minister if he will make a statement on his official meeting with the Prime Minister of Eire on 24th November.

Q30.

asked the Prime Minister if he will make a statement on his official meeting on 24th November with the Prime Minister of the Irish Republic.

Q31.

asked the Prime Minister if he will make a statement on his official meeting on 24th November with the Prime Minister of Eire.

I would refer my hon. Friends to the answer I gave earlier today in reply to a Question from the hon. Member for Sheffield, Attercliffe (Mr. Duffy).

Prime Minister Of Holland

Q27.

asked the Prime Minister when he next expects to meet officially the Prime Minister of Holland.

Mr. Biesheuvel is expecting to come to London privately in January, but there are no definite arrangements as yet for a meeting.

Australia (Prime Minister)

Q32.

asked the Prime Minister whether he will invite to London the new Prime Minister of Australia to discuss with him matters of mutual concern regarding immigration and Great Britain's entry into the Common Market.

The Prime Minister of Australia knows that he is welcome here at any time. There are no plans for a visit at present.

Dublin

asked the Prime Minister when he intends to seek to make an official visit to Dublin.

Agriculture, Fisheries And Food

Food Additives (Poultry)

asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food (1) if he will take steps to forbid the use of sodium polyphosphates and water injections in chickens after they have been killed;(2) if he will investigate, and make a statement on, the extent to which producers of oven-ready poultry have used sodium polyphosphates and water injections in turkeys ready-prepared for the Christmas trade.

Some pre-packed poultry is injected with sodium polyphosphate and water although this is not the normal practice with chicken and is very rare with turkeys. It is already an offence under the Food and Drugs Act 1955 to sell food which is not of the nature or quality demanded or to label it in a misleading way. The expert advisory committees of the Ministry and the DHSS have already considered sodium polyphosphates and recommended that they are safe for use in food. Under the Labelling of Food Regulations any ingredients used in the manufacture or preparation of pre-packed food must be listed on the label. The consumer is therefore able, if she wishes, to avoid the purchase of poultry treated with polyphosphates.

Defence

Pay

asked the Minister of State for Defence whether he will request the independent Armed Forces Pay Review Body to investigate the present situation where young married Servicemen, particularly those who are still under training, and older men, with several children, who have not secured promotion, receive less in take-home pay than a number of people on supplementary benefit payments, with a view to adjusting the pay of these Servicemen.

No. The independence of the review body includes deciding on its own investigations.

Northern Ireland

asked the Minister of State for Defence if he will make a statement on the shooting by the Army of William Bell and another man in the Ardoyne, Belfast, on 5th December, 1972; and what proposals he has for compensation.

In answer to the first part of the Question, I have nothing to add to my answer to a similar question yesterday by the hon. Member for Antrim, North (Rev. Ian Paisley). If any claims for compensation are received they will be carefully considered.—[Vol. 847, c. 464–5.]

asked the Minister of State for Defence whether he will make a statement about the reduction in the strength of B Company of the Ulster Defence Regiment stationed at Newtownards from 200 to 120 men.

In January, 1972, in order to assist the expansion of the Ulster Defence Regiment, part of 7 UDR was transferred to a new battalion, 10 UDR. In the process B Company, 7 UDR, was split in two with the formation of C Company, 7 UDR. The total strength of the two companies in the area is higher than the original strength, but my hon. Friend will not expect me to give details.

Royal Dockyards

asked the Minister of State for Defence whether he will publish in the OFFICIAL REPORT details of the number of industrial civil servants and the number of non-industrial civil servants employed in each of the Royal Naval Dockyards in Great Britain at each of the following dates, 31st October, 1960, 31st October, 1965, 31st October, 1970, 31st October, 1971, and 31st October, 1972.

The numbers of industrial and non-industrial civil servants employed in each of the Royal Dockyards in Great Britain on the nearest dates to those quoted, for which the information is available, are as follows:

Industrial Staff

Non-Industrial Staff

Date

Chatham

Devonport

Portsmouth

Rosyth

Total

Chatham

Devonport

Portsmouth

Rosyth

Total

Grand Total

1st January, 19619,72016,66714,4476,09946,9331,6701,9942,0621,1286,85453,787
1st October, 19658,07714,30712,0335,70040,1171,7582,2032,3821,4087,75147,868
1st October, 19706,38312,0618,1275,56732,1382,4033,2573,2342,29011,18443,322
1st October, 19716,17811,5177,9995,41931,1132,4863,3493,2562,45211,54342,656
1st October, 19725,92111,2297,8745,29030,3142,4843,3543,2152,40911,46241,776

Notes:

  • (1) The reduction in industrial staff numbers between January, 1961 and October, 1965 includes the transfer to the then MPBW of about 3,000 staff employed on works services.
  • (2)The figures from October, 1965 onwards reflect the transfer of over 3,000 industrial staff to the non-industrial category.
  • Royal Small Arms Factories (Security)

    asked the Minister of State for Defence why contractors are working in Royal Small Arms ordnance factories without being given security clearance.

    Security arrangements at the Royal Small Arms Factory, Enfield are applied with equal care to direct employees and to contractors employed within the factory.

    Newspaper Advertisement

    asked the Minister of State for Defence what was the cost of the full-page advertisement in the Sunday Telegraph of 3rd December; why he approved it; and whether he will ensure that it does not appear again.

    The cost was £2,537; the advertisement is one of a series designed to attract good quality candidates and it is due to appear three more times.

    Education And Science

    European Economic Community

    asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science if she will arrange for guidance to be given to schools and universities about courses available to students who may wish to complete their studies in a European Economic Community country.

    No, Sir. The compilation of comprehensive information about courses in universities and schools in the countries of the European Economic Community is a task of considerable magnitude which no organisation, either within or outside the Community, has yet been able to undertake. Universities and schools who may be in need of such information will be aware that it can be obtained from the educational or cultural advisers in the appropriate embassy.

    School Places (Cornwall)

    asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science on what date and for what reason the statistical form of information was changed in respect of questions regarding the annual rate of The creation of primary and secondary school places in the county of Cornwall

    asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science why she informed the hon. Member for Falmouth and Camborne in November, 1970 that 36 schools had been built in Cornwall between 1951 and October, 1964, whereas in November, 1972 she gave a figure of 39; and if she will explain the discrepancy.

    The discrepancy of three schools in the answers given resulted from differing interpretations of the two questions. I am writing to my hon. Friend to explain the position in full.

    Teacher Supply (Northern Region)

    asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science (1) what estimate she has made of the number of vacancies available to school teachers in the Northern Region; and what is the ratio to unemployed teachers;(2) how many school teachers are unemployed in the Northern Region, and in the constituency of Houghton-le-Spring;(3) what estimate she has made of the number of school teachers newly qualified in 1972 who are still awaiting their first appointments; and what are the regional figures.

    No estimate has been made, either nationally or regionally, of the number of newly qualified school teachers still awaiting appointment or of the number of vacancies. The percentage of newly qualified teachers in posts this term is similar to that in previous years. Each term there are a number of vacancies and any teachers still seeking posts and willing to go where the jobs are should be able to obtain them next term.

    School Meals (Lancashire)

    asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science how many school meals are provided by the Lancashire local education authority, how many and what percentage are provided free; how these figures compare with each of the previous five years; and how they compare with the average for the North-West and the rest of the country, respectively.

    LancashireFree meals as percentage of total meal
    YearTotal mealsFree mealsLancashireNorth WestEngland and Wales
    1971254,59441,33716·22117·3
    1970290,25130,69510·614·312·2
    1969290,58728,6409·913·311·5
    1968277,84542,91915·418·816·8
    1967262,23918,1066·99·48·3

    Grangefield Grammar School, Stockton-On-Tees

    asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science what action she proposes under the Education Act 1944 to ensure the continued attendance in full-time education of six teenage girls excluded, by lottery, from classes at Grangefield Grammar School, Stockton-on-Tees; and if she will make a statement.

    This situation arises from a dispute between the local education authority and some of their teachers. I understand that both parties have agreed to invoke the conciliation services of the Department of Employment, and I should prefer to say nothing which might prejudice the chance of a settlement.

    Ugandan Asians

    asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science on what dates she had discussions with the Uganda Resettlement Board; and what matters were discussed.

    The officers of the Department are constantly in touch with officers of the Uganda Resettlement Board on the whole range of questions relating to the education of Ugandan Asians arriving in this country.

    Student Grants

    asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science how many married women students there are in the universities, teachers' training colleges, and in other centres of adult education, in receipt of the £275 grant.

    In October, 1972, 278,394 of which 45,888 or 16·5 per cent. were provided free. The percentage of free meals in the North-West Region was 21·3, and in England and Wales 16·8. Corresponding figures for the previous five years were:

    asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science why the amounts of grant paid to married students is dependent on their sex.

    A married woman student is paid less than a married man student only if she is living at home with her husband who is not himself a full-time student or incapacitated and dependent upon her. In allocating the additional funds available for student grants, it was decided that other claims were stronger than those of married women students who share a home with a working husband.

    11-Plus Selection

    asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science what were the number and proportion of children in England undergoing 11-plus selection procedures in each of the last three years and in 1965; and by which date she expects to see the end of selection at this age.

    The Department has never collected statistics about the operation of selection procedures but, in January, 1972, 42 per cent. of pupils in maintained secondary schools were in comprehensive schools. Authorities are free to decide whether or not they wish to submit reorganisation proposals.

    Strand Grammar School, Norwood

    asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science, if she will now announce her decision on the proposal by the Inner London Education Authority to close Strand grammar school in Norwood.

    I am considering this proposal and hope to announce my decision early in the New Year.

    Environment

    High Riser Bicycles

    asked the Secretary of State for the Environment who and what organisations are taking part in the special study he recently announced on the high riser type of bicycle; and when he expects the report to be completed.

    I cannot say how long the inquiry will take until evidence as to the relevant accidents has been collected.

    M5

    asked the Secretary of State for the Environment what is the latest estimate for the opening date of the M5 motorway section for Edithmead to Dunball, Dunball to Huntworth and Huntworth to Blackbrook.

    The expected dates for opening these lengths of the M5 are summer 1973, summer 1974 and spring 1975 respectively.

    asked the Secretary of State for the Environment whether he intends to install fog warning lights on the M5 sections Edithmead-Dunball, Dunball-Huntworth and Huntworth-Blackbrook.

    Yes. Motorway warning lights initially of the amber flashing type controlled by police patrolmen will be installed on these sections when open.

    Buses (Injuries To Passengers)

    asked the Secretary of State for the Environment if he will give a general direction to the chairman of the National Bus Company that fare-paying passengers severely injured as a result of violent movements by buses shall be considered sympathetically for compensation.

    This is a matter of management and is not an appropriate subject for a directive from my right hon. and learned Friend. Individual cases are best taken up with the company direct.

    Land Sales (Northumberland)

    asked the Secretary of State for the Environment if he will give details of land sales conducted by his Department in south-east Northumberland during 1972.

    Two sales of redundant Ministry of Defence land in Northumberland have been conducted since 1st January this year.Fifty-nine acres of mainly agricultural land at Bruridge Bay were sold to the National Trust, the sale being completed in July, 1972.7·49 acres of building land, including a scheduled Victorian building, at Lower Gosforth, Newcastle-upon-Tyne, are being sold to Messrs. Dickinson Miller and Turnbull of Newcastle-upon-Tyne, following an invitation for the submission of tenders which was widely advertised in the national and local Press during the summer.We are now discussing with the National Coal Board the possibility of our selling to the board 480 acres of the landing area at the former RAF Airfield, Acklington.

    Improvement Grants

    asked the Secretary of State for the Environment if he will propose raising the £2,000 limit for improvement grants under the 1969 and 1971 Housing Acts to £3,000, in view of the intervening rise in the cost of materials and building wages since 1969.

    During the 12 months ending in September 1972 the average grant approved fell comfortably within the existing limits of £1,000, or £1,500 in the development and intermediate areas. This is however one of the matters I shall he considering during my current review of policy on older houses.

    Rent Rebates

    asked the Secretary of State for the Environment if he will take steps to remove the minimum amount, currently 20p, for eligibility for rent rebates under the Housing Finance Act; and if he will estimate by how much the total of rebate payments is reduced as a result of this present minimum requirement.

    The present provisions for a minimum rebate were regarded as reasonable by the local authority associations, and authorities have discretion to reduce or remove the minimum rebate. The Association of Municipal Corporations has recently asked that the minimum rebate should be abolished. I am unable to estimate by how much the total rebates granted has been reduced by the provision for a minimum rebate.

    Motor Insurance

    asked the Secretary of State for the Environment whether his arrangements with the Motor Insurers' Bureau will be extended to include payments in respect of death or bodily injury of voluntary passengers caused by their drivers' negligence; and whether similar arrangements will apply in the case of Crown vehicles.

    Yes, except in cases where the injured passenger was allowing himself to be carried in a vehicle which he knew or had reason to believe was taken without the owner's consent, or was the owner or user of the vehicle and knew that it was uninsured. Revised agreements to this effect, dealing with cases involving uninsured and unidentified drivers respectively, have been concluded with the Motor Insurers' Bureau and will be published as soon as possible. A small adjustment has also been made in the basis on which the bureau's payments in cases involving unidentified drivers are to be assessed.So far as Crown vehicles are concerned, compensation will normally be payable on the same basis, except where the victim is a Serviceman or Servicewoman whose death or injury gives rise to an entitlement to a pension or other compensation from public funds.

    Architectural Design

    asked the Secretary of State for the Environment what is his policy in relation to the discharge of his responsibilities in matters of architectural design.

    My responsibilities for promoting high standards of architectural design arise in a number of areas, notably:

    • —in relation to all new buildings for which I am responsible;
    • —in the architectural aspects of the local authorities' housing programmes;
    • —in relation to my responsibilities for historic buildings and ancient monuments in my care;
    • —in the general quality of the built environment, affected as it is by new development and shaped by town and country planning;
    • —in the sponsorship of the construction industry including relations with the various building professions;
    • —in relation to the framework within Government within which architects are required to exercise their professional responsibilities.
    I have decided to set up a small high-level inquiry to advise me on how these responsibilities can best be discharged. After consultation with the President of the RIBA, I have asked Sir Robert Matthew, FRIBA, and Mr. W. P. D. Skillington, CB, to undertake this inquiry, which will start in the New Year.The terms of reference will be:

    "To advise on the possible means of promoting high standards of design in Government building in the conservation of the built environment and in new physical development within the purview of the Secretary of State for the Environment; and to report on those means and their organisational implications."

    Foreign And Commonwealth Affairs

    Uganda

    asked the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs whether he is aware of the difficulties of students from Uganda in this country whose funds have been stopped in Uganda; and what action he proposes.

    There are a small number of students from Uganda at universities and technical colleges in this country. Her Majesty's Government are aware of their difficulties and are urgently considering what steps should be taken to prevent disruption of their studies by financial hardship arising from the present unsatisfactory state of our relations with Uganda.

    asked the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs if he will take steps under the Exchange Control Act regarding the loan of £10 million by three British merchant banks to the Ugandan Government to assist with the Ugandan textile industry.

    I have been asked to reply.Such a loan if made from the United Kingdom would be treated in accordance with normal exchange control rules.

    European Economic Community

    asked the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs if he will list in the OFFICIAL REPORT the dates of public holidays, including saints days, of member countries of the European Economic Community after 1st January 1973; and if he will take action to seek to ensure harmonisation of such public holidays.

    Information is not readily available about all the countries concerned, but for five of them the details are as follows:Belgium observes 10 public holidays: New Year's Day, Easter Monday, the 1st May, Ascension Day, Pentecost, the 21st July, Assumption Day—the 15th August, All Saints' Day—1st November, the 11th November and Christmas Day.France observes 10 public holidays: New Year's Day, Easter Monday, the 1st May, Ascension Day, Pentecost, the 14th July, Assumption Day—15th August, All Saints' Day—1st November, the 11th November and Christmas Day.The Federal German Republic observes between 10 and 13 holidays. The number and dates vary according to the provisions of State law, but of the 12 most universally observed, the 1st January, Holy Thursday, Good Friday, Easter Monday, the 1st May, Pentecost, Christmas Day and Boxing Day are observed in all States, and Epiphany—6th January, Corpus Christi—mid-June, Assumption Day—15th August, and All Saints' Day—1st November—are observed in most States.Italy observes 17 public holidays: New Year's Day, Epiphany—6th January, the 19th March, the 25th April, Holy Thursday, Good Friday and Easter Monday, the 1st May, the 19th May, Corpus Christi—mid-June, the 29th June, Assumption Day—15th August, All Saints' Day—1st November, the 4th November, the 8th December, Christmas and Boxing Day.Holland observes seven public holidays: New Year's Day, Easter Monday, Pentecost, the 23rd June, Assumption Day—15th August, Christmas and Boxing Day.United Kingdom: There is no provision for statutory public holidays in the United Kingdom. The following six Bank and common law holidays are however generally observed as public holidays in England and Wales: Good Friday, Easter Monday, last Monday in May, last Monday in August, Christmas Day and Boxing Day. Other dates are observed in Scotland, Northern Ireland and in parts of England and Wales.The holidays listed for the existing members of the European Community are secured by national or State law. Practice in individual member States of the Community on extra-statutory holidays varies considerably. They have no direct equivalent of common law holidays, nor holidays which are effectively national public holidays secured by legislation governing banking.Harmonisation of public holidays is not required in the Community, and I have no plans to suggest to our partners in the enlarged Community that it should become so.

    Gilbert And Ellice Islands

    asked the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs whether he will appoint a commissioner to investigate the further constitutional progress of the Gilbert and Ellice Islands Colony.

    The next step in consideration of constitutional progress in the Gilbert and Ellice Islands Colony rests at present with the Colony's Legislative Council. The Council is at present in session, and I understand that a motion is on the Order Sheet in the name of the Leader of Government Business proposing the setting up of a Select Committee to review the operation of the present Constitution and to make recommendations as to what changes, if any, should be made. Her Majesty's Government will await with sympathetic interest any proposals such a Committee may make and the Legislative Council approves.My right hon. Friend has decided, however, to appoint a Commissioner to visit the Colony soon to study a related problem, namely, the relationship of the Gilbert and Ellice Islands; and, having regard to the suggestion that the two Groups should be separated, and in the light of the political, economic, financial and social circumstances of the peoples of the two Groups, to make recommendations.

    South-East Asians (Entry Permits)

    asked the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs how many entry permits have been issued to South-East Asians coming into the United Kingdom during the years 1970, 1971 and to the latest available date in 1972.

    This information is being obtained, and I shall write to the hon. Member.

    House Of Commons

    Overseas Visits

    asked the Lord President of the Council, on the basis of regulations in force, how many expense allowances may be paid simultaneously to Members of Parliament who are members of travelling Select Committees, and the United Kingdom delegations to the Council of Europe, to Western European Union and the North Atlantic Assembly and who do not represent London constituencies.

    Members who do not represent London constituencies are eligible for the annual allowance of up to £750 in respect of accommodation and other expenses necessarily incurred either in London or in their constituencies through being away from their main home on parliamentary business. This allowance is based upon actual additional such expenditure over the year as a whole. Such expenses and the appropriate allowance are not necessarily affected when such Members are temporarily away travelling on Select Committee business or as a member of a United Kingdom parliamentary delegation, when they become eligible for the appropriate daily allowances to cover further additional costs they incur.If a Member happened to be visiting the same place for several separate parliamentary purposes he would not be entitled to draw more than one allowance to cover the same expenses.

    European Economic Community

    asked the Lord President of the Council if he will make arrangements for adequate staff to be available in the Vote Office so that those hon. Members who wish to place a standing order for all European Economic Community papers can receive such a service.

    The facility of placing a standing order has been requested in the past for papers other than EEC documents and has been refused for reasons of economy. In view of the substantial additional cost involved, I cannot agree to a departure from the existing practice.

    National Finance

    Borrowing Requirement

    asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer if he will indicate the broad factors which have led the net borrowing requirement for 1972–73 to be somewhat lower than that forecast at the time of the Budget.

    It is not the practice to disclose details of the borrowing requirement except at the time of the Budget.

    Value Added Tax

    asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer what is his estimate of the number of firms that should have registered for value added tax by 30th November, 1972; and how many had actually registered.

    There is no central record of the total number of applications for registration received by Customs and Excise: many are being processed at local VAT offices. However, the number actually registered at 4th December—the latest date for which figures are available—was 205,396. Some 85,000 further applications had also been received at headquarters from local VAT offices and were in the course of formal registration. The total number of persons liable to be registered has been estimated to be some 1½ million.

    asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer how many value added tax registration forms have been submitted with errors and omissions such as have made it necessary to return the form to the trades.

    I would refer the hon Member to the answer given to my hon. Friend the Member for Folkestone and Hythe (Mr. Costain) on 28th November, 1972. Figures in absolute terms are not available.—[Vol. 843, c. 65.]

    Land And Property Sales (Profits)

    asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer if he will instruct district inspectors of taxes to inform him of the number of persons who have paid the maximum rate of tax on the sale of land or property or shares in a company carrying out such sales in land or property under Section 488 of the Income and Corporation Taxes Act 1970; and what was the total revenue raised in such cases.

    Most assessments on profits from the sale of land or property are made under Case I of Schedule D and not under Section 488. Information about assessments under the latter section would be costly in time and effort to collect and I do not think the results would justify the work.

    Tax Credits

    asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer, on the basis that the tax credit proposals were introduced at the levels now proposed, how much of the benefit would accrue to those with incomes between £2,000 and £5,000 per year.

    Posts And Telecommunications

    Post Offices (Business Hours)

    asked the Minister of Posts and Telecommunications if he will give a general direction to the Post Office to inform the public by means of indicator boards of the hours of business at post offices, and which business is, and which business is not, transacted during Saturday afternoons.

    No. This is a matter for the Post Office, which tells me that the hours of counter business are displayed on a notice at each office and that offices which open on Saturday afternoons conduct all normal weekday business during that period other than the sale of road vehicle licences.

    Television Licence Fee

    asked the Minister of Posts and Telecommunications if he will issue a general direction to the Post Office to issue a refund of television licence when a user changes from a colour to a black and white receiver.

    A general direction would not be appropriate. Refunds may already be given by the Post Office whenever a licence holder's need for any television licence ceases within 28 days. There are no plans to widen the scope for allowing refunds.

    Scotland

    Population

    asked the Secretary of State for Scotland whether he will publish an estimate of the population of Scotland at 30th June, 1972.

    The Registrar-General's estimate of the population of Scotland at 30th June, 1972, is 5,210,400. This estimate is based on the latest results of the 1971 Census of Population and takes account of available information on population movement between census day and mid-1972.

    Social Services

    Pensions

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services (1) what is the estimated annual cost to the Exchequer of increasing the minimum weekly income of a single pensioner aged under 80 years, who has no other resources apart from the State retirement pension, from £7·15 to £10;(2) what is the estimated annual cost to the Exchequer of increasing the minimum weekly income of a married couple, who have no other resources apart from their State retirement pension, from £11·25 to £16.

    The cost of raising supplementary and other benefits and pensions to £10 for a single person and £16 for a married couple would be nearly £2,000 million a year. The cost to the Exchequer ignoring increased income tax revenue, would be about £450 million a year.

    Departmental Staffs

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services how many civil servants are employed by the Department of Health and Social Security and the Supplementary Benefits Commission in each of the local authority areas of Scotland.

    The services are now integrated and it is no longer possible to give a reliable apportionment of staff numbers.On 1st October, 1972, the staff of my Department based in Scottish local authority areas was as follows:

    CitiesNumber of Staff
    Aberdeen202
    Dundee225
    Edinburgh878
    Glasgow1,525
    Burghs
    Airdrie62
    Alexandria16
    Alloa25
    Arbroath46
    Ardrossan19
    Ayr143
    Bathgate91
    Bo'ness13
    Broxburn8
    Buckie7
    Campbeltown26
    Clydebank74

    Burghs

    Number of Staff

    Coatbridge86
    Cowdenbeath35
    Cumbernauld79
    Cumnock28
    Dalkeith22
    Dunbarton56
    Dumfries89
    Dunfermline109
    Dunoon6
    Elgin45
    Falkirk107
    Forfar8
    Forres6
    Fort William7
    Fraserburgh9
    Galashiels64
    Grangemouth10
    Greenock118
    Haddington10
    Hamilton158
    Huntly7
    Inverness85
    Irvine20
    Johnstone20
    Kilbirnie10
    Kilmarnock116
    Kilsyth21
    Kirkcaldy128
    Kirkintilloch14
    Kirkerall6
    Lanark12
    Largs6
    Lerwick5
    Leven31
    Loanhead18
    Macduff8
    Montrose6
    Motherwell110
    Musselburgh22
    Newton Stewart5
    Oban10
    Paisley190
    Perth78
    Peterhead37
    Port Glasgow28
    Rothesay5
    Rutherglen136
    St. Andrews7
    Stevenston7
    Stirling88
    Stornoway36
    Stranraer8
    Thurso7
    Tranent8
    Wick35
    Wishaw39

    County Councils

    Lanark95
    Stirling11
    Sutherland4
    Midlothian6
    Total5,897

    The boundaries of local authority and local office areas are not completely coterminous. The figures do not include staff employed in the Scottish Home and Health Department.

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services, how many civil servants were employed by the Department of Health and Social Security and the Supplementary Benefits Commission in the years 1969, 1970, 1971 and at the latest available date; and what are

    Department of Health and Social Security TotalScotland (included in Department of Health and Social Security Total)
    TotalCentral AdministrationPublic ServicesTotalCentral AdministrationPublic Services
    1st April, 196969,4115,570
    1st April, 197070,1615,639
    1st April, 197171,8115,665
    1st April, 197274,7517,06467,6875,82665,820
    1st October, 197275,1477,16267,9855,89765,891
    The breakdown between Central Administration and Public Services is not readily available for earlier dates. Industrial staff are included in figures from 1st April, 1972.These figures do not include staff employed in the Scottish Home and Health Department.

    Alcoholism

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services whether he will make a statement on the provisions being made for the treatment of alcoholics; how many people are treated annually; what is the cost of such treatment; and what is the success rate.

    Most mental illness hospitals and psychiatric units can treat alcoholic patients. In addition there are 16 specialised units in England with a total of 358 beds. In 1971 the number of admissions to mental illness hospitals and units in England of patients whose diagnosis included alcoholism or alcoholic psychosis was 9,312. Information about the total cost of treating alcoholism is not available. Evaluation of treatment programmes suggests that about 30 per cent. of patients achieve total abstinence over a follow-up period.

    Pension Reductions

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services if he will provide a table illustrating the tariff rate of reduction of pensions according to the shortfall in contributory record; and if he will state the number of current pensioners who have less than a full pension the corresponding figures for Scotland for the same years.

    The services are now integrated and it is no longer possible to give a reliable apportionment of staff numbers.The total number of staff employed in my Department and in Scotland in the past four years was as follows:—at present by amounts of less than 50p, 50p to £1, £1 to £2, and more than £2, respectively.

    Following is the information:

    TABLE 1
    WEEKLY RATES OF RETIREMENT PENSION RELATED TO THE YEARLY AVERAGE
    Yearly average of contributions and creditsFlat-rate retirement pension and widow's pensionFlat-rate retirement pension for a wife on husband's insurance
    ££
    50–526·754·15
    48–496·484·00
    46–476·213·85
    43–455·943·67
    40–425·453·41
    37–394·943·15
    34–364·432·81
    30–333·912·46
    26–293·382·08
    22–252·881·74
    18–212·361·43
    13–171·891·20
    Under 13NilNil
    TABLE 2
    ESTIMATED NUMBER OF CURRENT RETIREMENT PENSIONERS AND WIDOW PENSIONERS IN RECEIPT OF REDUCED PENSION BECAUSE OF DEFICIENT CONTRIBUTION RECORDS
    Amount of reduction below standard rate by
    Less than 50p Thousand50p to £1 Thousand
    Retirement pensioners105118
    Widow pensioners66
    Amount of reduction below standard rate by
    £1·01 to £2 ThousandMore than £2 Thousand
    Retirement pensioners97155
    Widow pensioners67