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Written Answers

Volume 864: debated on Friday 23 November 1973

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Written Answers To Questions

Friday 23rd November 1973

Agriculture, Fisheries And Food

Private Property (Powers Of Entry)

asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food (1) if he will review the powers of entry to private property held by his officers under the Seeds Act 1920 and seek to revoke all that he considers are not necessary;(2) if he will review the powers of entry to private property held by his officers under the Agriculture (Miscellaneous Provisions) Acts 1941, 1943 and 1963, and seek to revoke all that he considers are not necessary;(3) if he will review the powers of entry to private property held by his officers under the Improvement of Livestock (Licensing of Bulls) Act 1931 and seek to revoke all that he considers are not necessary;(4) if he will review the powers of entry to private property held by his officers under the Agriculture Acts 1937, 1947, 1957, 1967 and 1970, and seek to revoke all that he considers are not necessary;(5) if he will review the powers of entry to private property held by his officers under the Hill Farming Act 1946 and seek to revoke all that he considers are not necessary;(6) if he will review the powers of entry to private property held by his officers under the Agricultural Wages Act 1948 and seek to revoke all that he considers are not necessary;(7) if he will review the powers of entry to private property held by his officers under the Mineral Workings Act 1951 and seek to revoke all that he considers are not necessary;(8) if he will review the powers of entry to private property held by his officers under the Agriculture (Fertilisers) Act 1952 and seek to revoke all that he considers are not necessary;(9) if he will review the powers of entry to private property held by his officers under the Food and Drugs Act 1955 and seek to revoke all that he considers are not necessary;

(10) if he will review the powers of entry to private property held by his officers under the Horse Breeding Act 1958 and seek to revoke all that he considers are not necessary;

(11) if he will review the powers of entry to private property held by his officers under the Weeds Act 1959 and seek to revoke all that he considers are not necessary;

(12) if he will review the powers of entry to private property held by his officers under the Radioactive Substances Act 1960 and seek to revoke all that he considers are not necessary;

(13) if he will review the powers of entry to private property held by his officers under the Water Resources Act 1963 and seek to revoke all that he considers are not necessary;

(14) if he will review the powers of entry to private property held by his officers under the Agriculture and Horticulture Act 1964 and seek to revoke all that he considers are not necessary;

(15) if he will review the powers of entry to private property held by his officers under the Plant Varieties and Seeds Act 1964 and seek to revoke all that he considers are not necessary;

(16) if he will review the powers of entry to private property held by his officers under the Plant Health Act 1967 and seek to revoke all that he considers are not necessary;

(17) if he will review the powers of entry to private property held by his officers under the Sea Fisheries (Shellfish) Act 1967 and seek to revoke all that he considers are not necessary;

(18) if he will review the powers of entry to private property held by his officers under the Slaughter of Poultry Act 1967 and seek to revoke all that he considers are not necessary;

(19) if he will review the powers of entry to private property held by his officers under the Sea Fisheries Act 1968 and seek to revoke all that he considers are not necessary.

(20) if he will review the powers of entry to private property held by his officers under the Medicines Act 1968 and seek to revoke all that he considers are not necessary;

(21) if he will review the powers of entry to private property held by his officers under the Conservation of Seals Act 1970 and seek to revoke all that he considers are not necessary;

(22) if he will review the powers of entry to private property held by his officers under the Selective Employment Payments Act 1966 and seek to revoke all of them.

The need for such powers is in all cases carefully examined before they receive parliamentary approval. Appropriate opportunities are taken to revoke powers which are no longer necessary. I will, of course, be ready to consider details of any specific problem arising from these powers which my hon. Friend may have in mind.

Land Prices

asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food what was the average price of farm land per acre in Great Britain in each year since 1964.

Composite figures for Great Britain are not available. The average figures for sales of agricultural land in England and Wales and in Scotland are as follows:

ENGLAND AND WALES
Period ending£ per acre
September 1964126
September 1965163
October 1966167
October 1967174
October 1968183
September 1969198
September 1970200
September 1971192
September 1972221
September 1973Not available
SCOTLAND
Period ending£ per acre
December 196462
December 196562
December 196676
December 196784
December 196872
December 196982
December 197093
December 197187
December 1972115 (provisional)
December 1973Not available

The figures for England and Wales are those notified to Inland Revenue: those for Scotland are as notified to the Department of Agriculture and Fisheries for Scotland and are compiled on a slightly different basis.

The six-month figure for England and Wales up to March 1973 is £380 per acre.

National Farmers' Union

asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food when he last met officials of the National Farmers' Union; and if he will make a statement.

I met Sir Henry Plumb, President of the National Farmers' Union, on 6th November as part of the continuing discussions which I have with him. I shall be seeing him again very shortly. I am, of course, also kept informed on the frequent contacts between my officials and those of the National Farmers' Union.

Food Prices

asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food (1) whether he will publish in the OFFICIAL REPORT as much detailed information as may be readily available showing the number of food items which have increased and decreased in price since June 1970; and the amounts of such increases and reductions on either a price or percentage basis;(2) whether he will publish in the OFFICIAL REPORT as much detailed information as may be readily available giving the price of eggs, fish, bread, butter, meat, bacon, ham, frozen fish, and canned meats in June 1970 and October 1973, their present prices, and what has been the percentage rise in each instance during this period.

The following table shows the average retail prices of about 80 important items of food, as collected for the purposes of the Index of Retail Food Prices, on 16th June 1970 and 16th October 1973, the latest date for which information is available, and the percentage and money value changes between those dates.

AVERAGE RETAIL FOOD PRICE IN THE UNITED KINGDOM
June 1970—October 1973

Item

Average price p 16th June 1970

Average price p 16th October 1973

p change

Percentage change

Beef: home-killed

Chuck31·855·6+23·8+74·8
Sirloin (without bone)44·878·3+33·5+74·8
Silverside (without bone)*41·667·9+26·3+63·2
Back ribs (with bone)*28·350·5+22·2+78·4
Fore ribs (with bone)28·048·9+20·9+74·6
Brisket (with bone)18·236·3+18·1+99·5
Rump steak*57·292·7+35·5+62·1

Beef: imported chilled

Chuck26·451·0+24·6+93·2
Silverside (without bone)*33·860·8+27·0+79·9
Rump steak*46·278·6+32·4+70·1

Lamb: home-killed

Loin (with bone)36·460·2+23·8+65·4
Breast*11·218·5+7·3+65·2
Best end of neck28·046·3+18·3+65·4
Shoulder (with bone)26·541·3+14·8+55·8
Leg (with bone)35·657·0+21·4+60·1

Lamb: imported

Loin (with bone)25·852·2+26·4+102·3
Breast*6·314·8+8·5+134·9
Best end of neck21·043·5+22·5+107·1
Shoulder (with bone)18·537·6+19·1+103·2
Leg (with bone)28·154·7+26·6+94·7

Pork: home-killed

Leg (foot off)28·047·7+19·7+70·4
Belly*18·132·2+14·1+77·9
Loin (with bone)33·555·2+21·7+64·8

Sausages

Pork18·827·5+8·7+46·3
Beef15·524·7+9·2+59·4

Roasting chicken

Broiler, frozen, 3 lb.15·926·8+10·9+68·6
Fresh or chilled, 4 lb. (oven ready)19·528·5+9·0+46·2

Fresh fish

Cod fillets20·845·9+25·1+120·7
Haddock fillets25·248·7+23·5+93·3
Haddock, smoked, whole23·043·6+20·6+89·6
Plaice fillets32·455·7+23·3+71·9
Halibut cuts45·679·0+33·4+73·2
Herrings11·420·9+9·5+83·3
Kippers (with bone)15·127·3+12·2+80·8

Fresh vegetables

Potatoes, old, loose—
White2·62·3-0·3-11·5
Red2·72·7
Potatoes, new, loose4·5
Tomatoes17·921·6+3·7+20·7
Cabbage, greens4·05·6+1·6+40·0
Cabbage, hearted4·35·0+0·7+16·3
Cauliflower or broccoli7·510·2+2·7+36·0
Brussels sprouts8·4
Peas
Runner beans
Carrots5·14·3-0·8-15·7
Onions6·55·3-1·2-18·5
Mushrooms, per ¼ lb.6·08·1+2·1+35·0

Fresh fruit

Apples, cooking6·88·3+1·5+22·1
Apples, dessert9·510·6+1·1+11·6
Pears, dessert9·111·3+2·2+24·2
Oranges6·510·3+3·8+58·5
Bananas8·111·3+3·2+39·5

Item

Average price p 16th June 1970

Average price p 16th October 1973

p change

Percentage change

Bread

White, 1¾ lb. wrapped and sliced loaf9·011·3+2·3+25·6
White, 1¾ lb. unwrapped loaf8·811·4+2·6+29·5
White, 14 oz. loaf5·27·5+2·3+44·2
Brown, 14 oz. loaf6·08·3+2·3+38·3

Flour

Self-raising, per 3 lb.9·714·0+4·3+44·3

Bacon

Collar*23·744·0+20·3+85·7
Gammon*34·661·2+26·6+76·9
Middle cut, smoked*30·956·5+25·6+82·8
Back, smoked33·463·0+29·6+88·6
Back, unsmoked32·360·9+28·6+88·5
Streaky, smoked22·042·8+20·8+94·5

Ham (not shoulder)

54·581·0+26·5+48·6

Pork luncheon meat, 12 oz. can

13·519·7+6·2+45·9

Canned (red) salmon, ½-size can

27·848·8+21·0+75·5

Milk, ordinary, per pint

4·65·5+0·9+19·6

Butter

New Zealand16·821·1+4·3+25·6
Danish20·024·2+4·2+21·0

Margarine, per ½ lb.

Standard quality (without added butter)5·37·1+1·8+34·0
Lower priced4·36·3+2·0+46·5

Lard

8·612·7+4·1+47·7

Cheese, cheddar type

18·332·5+14·2+77·6

Eggs, per doz.

Large22·144·2+22·1+100·0
Standard18·841·9+23·1+122·9
Medium15·939·2+23·3+146·5

Sugar, granulated, 2 lb.

7·410·2+2·8+37·8

Instant coffee, per 4 oz.

24·732·2+7·5+30·4

Tea, per ¼ lb.

Higher priced10·010·8+0·8+8·0
Medium priced7·88·3+0·5+6·4
Lower priced7·38·0+0·7+9·6

* Or Scottish equivalent.

† Insufficient or no quotations.
Information is not available for frozen fish.

Source: Department of Employment.

asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food what has been the percentage increase in all food prices in each of the last three complete years, and the increase in 1973 to the latest available date.

The percentage increase in the Food Index was as follows:

January 1970-January 1971:9·1
January 1971-January 1972:11·5
January 1972-January 1973:10·1
January 1973-October 1973:13·7

Eec Intervention Prices

asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food what would be the effect on home prices of all imported foods if the levies arising from Common Market membership were removed; and if he will express this as a total figure based on the latest monthly completed returns as well as on individual items.

It is not possible to isolate the effect of levies from the many other factors which determine price levels.

Barley

asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food what subsidy is available to farmers to plant barley.

No special subsidy is available to farmers who plant barley, although barley is one of the grains guaranteed under the cereal deficiency payment arrangements.

Farmworkers (Accidents)

asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food what was the accident and death rate at work of agricultural workers during 1970, 1971 and 1972, and the latest figures for 1973.

As follows:

FATAL ACCIDENTS
YearNumberAs percentage of all agricultural workers
197031·008
197149·104
197242·012
1973 (latest figures)20[·005]
(Notified up to 21st November 1973).
NON-FATAL ACCIDENTS
YearNumberAs percentage of all agricultural workers
19706,2911·79
19715,7111·64
19725,7551·69
1973 (January to June)2,678[0·77]
* The basis for compiling departmental accident statistics is set out in the Annual Report rendered to Parliament.

Agriculture (Eec Ministers' Meeting)

asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food if he will make a statement on the outcome of the recent meeting in Brussels of the Council of Agricultural Ministers.

I would refer my hon. Friend to the statement I made yesterday.—[Vol. 864, c. 1562–3.]

Land Drainage

asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food how many schemes have been approved for grant specifically under Section 37 of the Agriculture (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 1968, subsections (1), (2) and (4), respectively, since 23rd November 1971.

Most of the expenditure approved under Section 37(1) of the Agriculture (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 1968 forms an integral part of land drainage schemes approved under Section 55 of the Land Drainage Act 1930, but since 23rd November 1971 two schemes have been approved for grant specifically under Section 37(1), six under Section 37(2) and 13 under Section 37(4).

asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food whether any orders under the Land Drainage Act 1961, Section 18(2), have been made.

asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food how many internal drainage boards are not party to any agreements with rating authorities under Section 25 of the Land Drainage Act 1961.

asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food how many internal drainage districts there are now in England and Wales.

asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food how many internal drainage boards have made agreements under Section 25 of the Land Drainage Act 1961 to cover the whole area of their districts.

asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food how many orders under the Land Drainage Act 1930, Section 4(3), have been made since 23rd November 1971 in respect of schemes for reorganisation or abolition of internal drainage districts.

asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food how many orders under the Land Drainage Act 1930, Section 11, have been made since 23rd November 1971.

asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food how many orders under the Land Drainage Act 1930, Section 21(5), have been made since 23rd November 1971.

asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food how many orders under the Land Drainage Act 1930, Section 24(8), have been confirmed since 23rd November 1971.

asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food how many grants under the Land Drainage Act 1930, Section 55, were made in the financial years 1971–72 and 1972–73, respectively.

Two hundred and forty land drainage schemes submitted by river authorities were approved for grant in 1971–72 and 198 in 1972–73.

Poultry Freezing

asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food if he will indicate what proposals have been formulated by the Common Market Commission to harmonise the permitted added water taken up by chicken and hens during the freezing process and the subsequent checking system; how this compares with current United Kingdom practice; and what advantages would be derived from adopting the proposed changes.

No such proposals have as yet been formulated by the Common Market Commission.

Cattle Exports

asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food if he is satisfied that the EEC regulations on the movement of brucellosis-free cattle are being equitably interpreted by the United Kingdom's Community partners in relation to cattle from Great Britain and Northern Ireland, respectively; and if he will publish a statement indicating the current treatment of United Kingdom brucellosis-free store cattle exports by each individual Community country.

Our Community partners are fully entitled to apply the requirements of the EEC directive relating to brucellosis in relation to cattle from the United Kingdom. Given the standard we have taken on our own requirements for protection against FMD and swine fever, their application of Community law to protect themselves against brucellosis is both reasonable and equitable.My hon. Friend will be aware that pending Government decisions on the recommendations of the O'Brien Committee no new licences for the export of slaughter or store cattle from the United Kingdom are being issued. The attitude of individual member States of EEC on the question of exports of breeding or store cattle from United Kingdom is as follows:West Germany, Netherlands, Belgium and Luxembourg will only accept cattle from "officially" brucellosis-free herds which currently excludes cattle from the United Kingdom.Denmark and the Republic of Ireland retain their national rules for animal imports under the Treaty of Accession and will accept cattle from the United Kingdom subject to certain brucellosis safeguards. Italy is prepared to accept cattle from brucellosis-free as opposed to "officially" free herds.France now only accepts cattle from "officially" brucellosis-free herds but is willing to discuss the question with the United Kingdom. These discussions are proceeding.

Badgers

asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food if he will list the county branches of the National Farmers' Union that have called for Ministry action against the badger in view of evidence of the incidence of bovine TB, and if he will make a statement on what action he proposes.

The county branches of the National Farmers' Union which have requested Ministry action against the badger are Cornwall and Gloucester. A survey has been completed in the West Penwith area of Cornwall in order to ascertain the incidence of tuberculosis in badgers; an interim report has been issued and a final report is being prepared. A separate study will be made of the disease among badgers in certain parts of Gloucester.Laboratory trials have commenced to measure the virulence of badger isolates of tubercle bacilli when given to young calves. Experiments will also be started to obtain information about the susceptibility of badgers to tubercle bacilli, and about transmission of infection between badgers, and also to young calves using premises occupied by infected badgers. The results of this work will not be available for some time.When reactors are revealed in a herd and there is no obvious origin of infection, badger specimens and faeces samples are collected and submitted to laboratory examination. If the bovine type organism is recovered the owner is advised and recommended to destroy the remaining badgers on his premises in a humane manner.

Milk (Proposed Eec Tax)

asked the Minister of Agriculture Fisheries and Food what is the estimated United Kingdom percentage share of the total revenue that would be raised by Commissioner Lardinois' proposed milk tax of 2 per cent. on certain levels of output.

Our provisional assessment of the Commission's proposals in their present form is that United Kingdom deliveries to dairies could represent some 20 to 25 per cent. of all deliveries by Community producers beyond the proposed levy-free quota of 10,000 litres.

Butter

asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food what is the estimated United Kingdom percentage share of total EEC butter production.

In 1972, the latest year for which information is available, the United Kingdom's percentage share of total butter production by the countries which now form the enlarged Community was approximately 6 per cent.

Potato Exports

asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food what is the quantity of white potatoes exported from Great Britain in the first 10 months of 1973 and of each of the previous three years.

The Overseas Trade Accounts provide figures for the United Kingdom and do not differentiate between red and white varieties of potatoes. Exports of ware potatoes from the United Kingdom for the first 10 months of the year concerned were:

Tons.
197021,405
197125,376
197235,613
1973108,719

Radioactive Waste

asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food what warnings are issued to fishermen concerning the dumping of radioactive wastes.

I have been asked to reply.Solid radioactive wastes from the United Kingdom are dumped in the deep Atlantic as part of an internationally supervised operation. The dumping area has a depth of water of about three miles and is well beyond our fishing grounds. Some liquid wastes containing a limited amount of radioactivity are discharged into certain coastal waters, under strict control. No specific warnings to fishermen are considered necessary in either case.

Defence

Air Forces

asked the Minister of State for Defence what are the sizes of the six largest air forces in the world.

I assume that the hon. Member has in mind numbers of combat aircraft. On this basis, the six largest air forces are estimated to be those of the People's Republic of China, France, Poland, the Soviet Union, the United Kingdom and the United States of America.

Expenditure (Nato And Warsaw Pact Countries)

asked the Minister of State for Defence what are the comparative figures between that percentage of the gross national product spent on the armed forces by the United Kingdom and each of the other NATO and Warsaw Pact countries for each of the last five years.

Mr. Ian Gilmour: The figures are as follows:

NATO*

1968

1969

1970

1971

1972

Belgium3·53·33·33·23·3
Canada3·12·82·92·72·5
Denmark3·33·02·83·02·8
France5·55·04·64·44·2
Federal Republic of Germany4·14·13·73·84·0
Greece5·65·85·85·65·3
Italy3·33·03·03·33·1
Luxembourg1·01·00·91·01·1
Netherlands4·03·93·83·83·8
Norway4·04·04·03·83·8
Portugal8·07·47·78·38·3
Turkey5·55·25·25·45·0
United Kingdom6·35·85·75·85·8
United States10·19·48·67·77·5
WARSAW PACT†

1968

1969

1970

1971

1972

Bulgaria2·72·82·82·82·9
Czechoslovakia4·64·54·64·84·2
East Germany5·15·45·45·55·6
Hungary2·42·83·02·92·9
Poland3·84·24·13·83·7
Romania2·52·83·02·82·6
USSR8·68·58·07·97·8

* The figures are on the NATO definition, expressed as a percentage of GNP at factor cost.

† Estimates only. It is not possible to arrive at fully comparable figures.

Pensions (War Veterans)

asked the Minister of State for Defence whether he will seek powers to make an annual gift to supplement on future Remembrance Sundays the retirement pensions of veterans of both world wars.

I do not think it would be right to seek such powers, but ex-Service men are eligible for the £10 payment authorised for this year by the Pensioners' Payments and National Insurance Act 1973 under the same conditions as apply to the rest of the community.

Education And Science

Adult Education (Russell Report)

asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science (1) how long she has had the Russell Report under consideration; and when she expects to make known the decisions on implementation by Her Majesty's Government;(2) if she will publish in the OFFICIAL REPORT the number of consultations she has had with the various bodies concerned with further education arising from the Russell Report, the dates on which the meetings have been held, and the list of those attending at each together with the bodies they represent.

Ten months, during which a careful analysis has been made in the light of development in adult education provision since the committee first met. My right hon. Friend hopes to arrange discussions with the main interests in the next few weeks on the basis of this analysis.

asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science if she proposes to include in her next estimates a sum to cover those recommendations of the Russell Committee which are to be implemented.

No need for financial provision will arise till decisions have been taken in the light of the discussions my right hon. Friend proposes to hold.

Secondary School Places (Newham)

asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science whether she will publish in the OFFICIAL REPORT a note of a meeting held in her Department on Thursday 25th October 1973 with representatives of the London borough of Newham concerning the problem of 150 secondary pupils awaiting school places for upwards of five months.

No. It would not be appropriate to publish notes of this kind in the OFFICIAL REPORT. A copy of the note was sent to the Newham Local Education Authority on 26th October and the hon. Member has since had a copy.

asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science whether she will publish in the OFFICIAL REPORT a copy of "Notes on the placement of pupils in Secondary Schools in the London borough of Newham" which is in her possession; and whether she will make a statement.

No. It would not be appropriate to publish in the OFFICIAL REPORT a copy of "Notes on the placement in Secondary Schools in the London

Waiting sinceNon-immigrantsImmigrants coming to Newham from areas of other LEAsImmigrants coming to Newham from countries of originTotals
May 1973213
June 197311213
July 197323510
August 19731021628
September 19733733878
October 1973732232
Totals591194164
The specific problem of a cumulative waiting list of this dimension was brought to the Department's notice by reports in the Press on 23rd and 24th October.

asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science on what basis and for what reasons she has suggested to the London borough of Newham that it should increase the number of pupils in secondary school classes beyond 30; when she discussed this, proposition with the teachers' representatives in Newham and with what results; and when she intends to give her written directive to the authority on this basis.

At a meeting on 25th October with representatives of the Newham Local Education Authority my Department made a number of suggestions for overcoming the problem of placing over 160 secondary pupils in the borough then out of school. One suggestion among others was that in some cases class sizes might if necessary be increased to 31. But the Department stressed that it was for the authority to decide how to make the best use of the facilities at its disposal to meet its statutory obligation

borough of Newham" which the hon. Member has forwarded to my right hon. Friend. She will, however, be writing to him about this.

asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science whether she will publish in the OFFICIAL REPORT figures in her possession stating the waiting list of children for entry into secondary schools as at 25th October, 1973 in the London borough of Newham and the number of occasions when her Department was informed of this problem.

Following is the information supplied by the authority on 25th October:to provide education for pupils in its area. There is no question of a direction to the authority.

Ugandan Asian Children (Newham)

asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science what action she took to assist the London borough of Newham to deal with the 331 Ugandan Asian children who had entered the borough as at 23rd January 1973; and what action she has taken since this date.

The London borough of Newham submitted an application in February 1973 for an additional school building allocation of £44,000 to provide 11 temporary classrooms to accommodate Asian children who had arrived from Uganda. This was granted. No further request for additional accommodation for Asian children from Uganda has been received. The Uganda Resettlement Board has approved assistance to the authority towards the cost of providing this accommodation and grants for the salaries of five extra teachers and for equipment and capitation allowances.

Textbooks

asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science what has been the average percentage increase in the price of textbooks purchased by local education authorities between 1970 and 1973.

South Bristol Technical College

asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science how many inspectors are currently involved in an inspection of South Bristol Technical College; what is the date of appointment to the inspectorate in each case; and what are the qualifications and teaching experience, with dates, of the inspectors concerned.

The number of Her Majesty's inspectors involved in this inspection is 10. All are well qualified in the subject areas which have been allocated to them, have both inspectorial and teaching experience in them and in many cases industrial and business experience also. It is not the practice of the Department to provide details of Her Majesty's inspectors' careers.

asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science what is the purpose of the inspection by Her Majesty's Inspectorate currently in progress at the South Bristol Technical College.

The rapid growth of this college, which has resulted in some overloading of the facilities, makes it desirable to consider its future development relative to the other establishments of further education in the neighbourhood. It was therefore considered that an assessment of its present use and of its future potential would be of considerable help to the new Avon authority.

Teachers' Pensions

asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science when she expects to make a decision on whether war service should count towards pensions for the teaching profession.

War service is already pensionable in certain circumstances. My right hon. Friend is considering representations that the scheme should be broadened to cover the war service of post-war entrants who had no commitment to teaching.

Libraries

asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science what is the average amount per head of population spent annually in Wales on public library services; and what is the comparative figure for England.

The available figures relate to the net rate borne expenditure on public libraries per head of population. In 1971–72, the latest year for which information is available, the figure was £1.07 for Wales and £1.31 for England.

Environment

Management Consultants

asked the Secretary of State for the Environment on what projects, and at what cost, firms of management consultants have been employed by his Department since June 1970.

The information is given in the following list. It is not normal practice to publish the fees paid in individual cases, but the total cost of the studies listed is approximately £700,000. The list excludes computer consultancies and the employment of members of management consultant firms to augment the Department's own staff.

Following is the list:

Nature of Assignment and Consultants

Operational Research on enforcement of Parking and Waiting Controls—Arthur Anderson & Co.

The introduction of incentive schemes into Supplies Division Motor Transort Depots—The Anne Shaw Organisation Ltd.

Civil liability for the performance of structures and components in the building industry—W. S. Atkins and Partners.

Feasibility Study on the uses and needs for commodity information in the construction industry—W. S. Atkins and Partners.

Movement of papers in the Marsham Street building—Atkins Planning.

A study of goods movement in Swindon—Atkins Planning.

Critical Path Networks for the Third London Airport—Atkins Planning.

Devonport Dockyard Storage Study—Atkins Planning.

Tower of London Jewel House queues—Binder, Hamlyn, Fry & Co.

Survey of the effectiveness of the Building Research Advisory Service—Building Management and Marketing Consultants Ltd.

The compatibility of project management systems for the Third London Airport—Compunet Ltd.

Cost-benefit study for the Channel Tunnel scheme—Cooper Bros.

Advice on management techniques to aid project appraisal and research programme planning in the Transport and Road Research Laboratory—Corporate Management Consultants Ltd.

Management Accounting in Supplies Division—Deloitte, Robson, Morrow & Co.

Environmental effects of the Channel Tunnel—Economic Consultants Ltd.

Review of incentive schemes in Supplies Division—Inbucon/AIC Management Consultants Ltd.

A study of urban guide-lines in Oldham—Nathaniel Lichfield and Associates with Inbucon/AIC Management Consultants Ltd.

Financial forecasting models for a Works Directorate—Logica Ltd.

Cash-flow models for New Towns and Local Authorities—Logica Ltd.

A study of urban guide-lines in Sunderland—McKinsey & Co. Inc.

International highways comparison project—Metra Consulting Group Ltd.

Noise nuisance—Metra Consulting Group Ltd.

The costs and benefits of a co-ordinated information system in the construction industry—PA Management Consultants Ltd.

Bus demonstration Project—Partners in Management Ltd.

Review of Supplies Division Engineering Depots and Workshops—P-E Consulting Group Ltd.

Long-term forecasting of building and accommodation requirements for the Scottish Courts of Session in Edinburgh—Peat, Marwick, Mitchell & Co.

Management accounting for New Towns—Peat, Marwick, Mitchell & Co.

Accommodation problems in space allocation—Scientific Control Systems Ltd.

Consultancy Services to the Steering Group on financial and economic objectives for Regional Water Authorities—Scientific Control Systems Ltd.

A study of urban guide-lines in Rotherham—Urwick, Orr & Partners Ltd.

Management by Objectives and management development courses in Accounts Division—Urwick, Orr & Partners Ltd.

Possible applications of locational referencing and the requirements of users—Peter Ward (Interplan) Ltd.

Aintree Racecourse

asked the Secretary of State for the Environment, in view of the decision of the then Minister of Housing and Local Government in 1965 that proposals relating to Aintree Racecourse should be referred to him, whether, before approval is given for the development of all or part of the Aintree Racecourse, Liverpool, for non-racing purposes, he will call in the present proposals, and so inform the parties, Mrs. Mirabel Topham and Mr. William Davies of the Walton Group, so that he can consider the proposed sale of the Aintree Racecourse and its implications.

An application in outline for planning permission to develop Aintree Racecourse will be considered by the Lancashire County Planning and Development Committee at its meeting on 11th December. If the committee is minded to grant it the application will be referred to my right hon. and learned Friend as a substantial departure from the development plan. On the information I have at present I would expect my right hon. and learned Friend to call this application in for his decision and hold a public local inquiry. If the Lancashire County Council refuses the application the applicant would have the right of appeal to my right hon. and learned Friend and he would hold a public local inquiry before reaching a decision on any such appeal.

Housing (Bristol)

asked the Secretary of State for the Environment what is the total amount of central funds given towards the construction of new housing accommodation within the city of Bristol for the period 1966 to the latest available date.

Claims under superseded legislation have been agreed at approximately £1,418,000, and this amount will have been paid by the end of this year, in respect of new dwellings completed since 1st April 1966 by Bristol Corporation and by housing associations building within the city of Bristol. In addition, the construction of new dwellings during this period will have favourably affected the corporation's entitlement under the Housing Finance Act 1972 to receive residual subsidy, presently estimated at approximately £290,000.

Driving Tests

asked the Secretary of State for the Environment, in view of the delays in the provision of driving tests in Eccles, Swinton and Pendlebury, if he will indicate what steps his Department is taking to reduce the waiting period; and if he will make a statement.

Home Department

Police

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department when a police authority can be expected to be formed for the new police force covering Tyne, Wear and Northumberland; and if he will make a statement.

My right hon. Friend hopes to receive confirmation before the end of this month that both the new county councils concerned agree on the terms of a police amalgamation scheme for the new counties of Tyne and Wear and of Northumberland. He will then be in a position to make on order approving the scheme. As soon as this has been done the way will be clear for the new police authority to meet.

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department when a chief constable designate can be expected to be appointed for the new police force covering Tyne, Wear and Northumberland; and if he will make a statement.

I hope that the new police authority will be able to meet shortly to make the appointment, which will be subject to my right hon. Friend's approval in the usual way.

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department what arrangements have so far been made for the Police Federation's Guardian Board for the area of the new police force covering Tyne, Wear and Northumberland to be consulted on conditions to be applied in the new force area; if he is satisfied with these arrangements; and if he will make a statement.

The Guardian Board is represented on all the working parties set up to plan the new force, and has played a full part in their consultations. I see no reason why decisions which are outstanding on certain points should not be reached quite soon.

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department to what extent Her Majesty's Government's present policy on determining establishments for the reorganised police forces coming into being in April 1974 will affect future reviews of police establishments; at what stage the principles governing normal reviews of establishments will be applied in the reorganised forces; if he will urgently consult the Police Federation on this matter; and if he will make a statement.

The existing arrangements for regular review of force establishments every three to five years will be maintained. For those forces affected only slightly or not at all by reorganisation I would expect the existing cycle of reviews to continue. For those forces substantially affected I would expect the establishment operating from 1st April 1974 to be reviewed as soon as sufficient experience of policing the new area is available, and the normal cycle of reviews to operate thereafter. My right hon. Friend is always willing to consider representations from the Police Federation.

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department which police forces have, and which police forces have not, reviewed their establishments within the last two years; and to what extent the establishment has been increased in each particular case.

Following is a list of the forces where as the result of either a comprehensive review or of an adjustment the total number of police officers on the establishment has increased by 10 or more:

ForceIncrease
Bradford71
Bristol81
Cheshire36
Cumbria58
Derby County and Borough43
Devon and Cornwall151
Dorset and Bournemouth19
Durham116
ForceIncrease
Dyfed Powys71
Essex and Southend-on-Sea24
Gloucestershire154
Gwent62
Gwynned100
Hampshire150
Hertfordshire72
Kent77
Kingston-upon-Hull35
Lancashire99
Leeds City33
Leicester and Rutland189
Lincolnshire154
Manchester and Salford53
Mid-Anglia83
Norfolk64
Northumberland122
Nottinghamshire129
South Wales267
Staffordshire and Stoke on Trent219
Suffolk46
Surrey16
Sussex161
Teesside145
York and N.E. Yorkshire10
In some cases further changes are under consideration.There have been changes as a result of either a comprehensive review or of an adjustment in all police forces in England and Wales except for Somerset and Bath and Northampton and County. Proposals for the establishment of the new Avon and Somerset force are under consideration and the result of the current review of the Northampton and County force will be incorporated in the establishment of the new Northamptonshire force to be created on 1st April 1974.

National Finance

Pensioners (Income Tax)

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer what would be the cost to the Exchequer in revenue terms if all retirement pensioners received £18 per week free of tax.

About £4,500 million after allowing for savings on supplementary benefit payments.

House Prices

asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer what estimate he has of the extent to which the rise in house prices in 1972–73 was due, especially in London, to the financing of property speculators (a) by the banks and (b) by building societies.

The rise in house prices was due to a variety of factors. Building societies are restricted in the proportion of their advance that can be made other than to private householders or prospective householders.

Scotland

Glenforsa Estate

asked the Secretary of State for Scotland how much public money has been spent on matters related to the Glenforsa estate.

Glenforsa estate was acquired in October 1951 at a cost, inclusive of stock, etc., of £39,550. Subsequent capital and maintenance works amounted to £50,000.Against this, sales of land and buildings yielded £9,800 and there have been miscellaneous receipts of £5,700. In the period from October 1951 to 31st March 1973 there was a cash surplus on farming operations of some £20,000.These figures do not take account of administrative costs.

Handicapped Persons (Training)

asked the Secretary of State for Scotland how many local authorities he estimates will be providing at least 150 places in junior and adult training centres for the subnormal per 100,000 population in their areas by 1978.

I estimate that in 1978 there will be sufficient places in junior occupational centres in all parts of Scotland, and that the target of 150 places in senior training centres per 100,000 population will have been reached in the areas of about 15 of the existing local authorities.

Occupational Centres (Staff Qualifications)

asked the Secretary of State for Scotland when he expects to make a statement on his policy towards the Melville Report on the qualifications of staff in junior and senior occupational centres in Scotland.

I have not yet completed my consultations with interested bodies and until I have done so I cannot say when I will be ready to make a statement.

Social Services

Health Authorities

asked the Secretary of State for Social Services if he will take steps to ensure that the Press and public cannot be refused admittance to meetings of the regional health authorities and area health authorities.

When regional and area health authorities take over administration of the service on 1st April 1974 their meetings will be subject to the Public Bodies (Admission to Meetings) Act 1960 and the Press will be admitted except where the authority resolves in accordance with that Act to exclude the public on the ground that publicity would for reasons contemplated by the Act be prejudicial to the public interest. As regards meetings before 1st April 1974 I would refer my hon. Friend to my reply to the hon. Member for Willesden, West (Mr. Pavitt) on 23rd October.—[Vol. 861, c. 443.]

Abortion

asked the Secretary of State for Social Services how many aborted children in the 12 months ended 30th October 1973 were living after being aborted.

The information requested is not available. It remains the overriding responsibility of medical staff to promote and preserve the life of a child that survives an abortion.

asked the Secretary of State for Social Services what extra cost has been incurred by the health service as a result of abortions to (a) British citizens, and (b) aliens, respectively.

Separate costing figures are not available in respect of the treatment of different medical and surgical conditions. Non-residents are not normally eligible for such treatment under the National Health Service.

asked the Secretary of State for Social Services how many National Health Service hospital beds are being occupied as a result of abortions, and for how long.

Details of bed occupancy and duration of stay are available in respect of both therapeutic abortions—those induced legally, for medical reasons—and other abortions which include spontaneous abortions ("miscarriages"), illegal and unclassified abortions, for 1972 as follows:

TherapeuticOther
Average number of beds occupied daily630·3532·7
Mean length of stay (days)4·33·3
Abortion as a percentage of all gynaecology beds7·36·2
per cent.per cent.
Abortion per 1,000 N.H.S. beds1·71·5
Patients being treated for abortions of all kinds thus occupy 13.5 per cent. of all National Health Service gynaecology beds in 1972.Comparable figures for the previous 10 years are as follows:(Therapeutic abortions under the Abortion Act 1967, are shown in brackets):

196212·6
196311·9
196412·0
196511·5
196611·5
196711·1
1968*13·2 (4·9)
196914·8 (7·4)
197016·2 (8·9)
197114·7 (8·5)
* The Abortion Act came into force on 27th April 1968.
Bed occupancy for those therapeutic abortions occurring before the Abortion Act 1967 are not separately available.

Whitley Councils

asked the Secretary of State for Social Services if he will publish in the OFFICIAL REPORT a list of the Whitley Councils at present within the National Health Service, together with the names of those serving as members and the interests they represent.

Health Administration (Wisbech)

asked the Secretary of State for Social Services how much money has been spent on the new Wisbech offices of health administration.

Clarkson Hospital, Wisbech

asked the Secretary of State for Social Services if he will give particulars of expenditure on structural repairs at Clarkson Hospital, Wisbech, for the last three years.

Revenue expenditure at current prices on the maintenance of buildings, plant and grounds was as follows: 1970–71, £6,124; 1971–72, £4,609; 1972–73, £5,638.

Drugs (Transfer Pricing)

asked the Secretary of State for Social Services what further proposals he has to control transfer pricing in the case of drugs.

The transfer prices of medicines sold by foreign companies to their subsidiaries in the United Kingdom are not controlled by me. They are part of the costs to be set against the sales of the subsidiaries to the National Health Service. Though I cannot compel the supply of information from abroad I have sufficient information from the companies concerned and from my general intelligence about the pharmaceutical industry to make reasonable assessments of the profits contained in the transfer prices, which I take into account when considering the overall profitability of the companies' operations in this country.

Handicapped Persons (Training)

asked the Secretary of State for Social Services how many places in junior and adult training centres for the subnormal are currently provided by each local authority; how many places these represent per 100,000 population in each local authority area; and how many local authorities estimate that they will have 150 places per 100,000 population by 1978.

With the transfer to the education service on 1st April 1971 of responsibility for the education of mentally handicapped children, junior training centres were absorbed into that service as schools.The numbers of adult training centre places available to each local authority in March 1973 and the numbers these represent per 100,000 total population in the authority's area are set out below.One hundred and fifty adult training centre places per 100,000 population was the provisional target set out in Cmnd. 4683 "Better Services for the Mentally Handicapped" published in June 1971, to be achieved nationally in 15–20 years. I expect some 15 authorities to achieve this target by 1978.

Local AuthorityNumber of Adult Training Centre places available at 31st March 1973Number of places per 100,000 population
County Councils
Bedford17556
Berkshire31560
Buckinghamshire30050
Cambridge and Isle of Ely22071
Cheshire83073
Cornwall15440
Cumberland9242
Derbyshire53780
Devon40288
Dorset34091
Durham52263
Essex53544
Gloucestershire36263
Hampshire60959
Herefordshire5640
Hertfordshire62566
Huntingdonshire and Peterborough16678
Isles of Scilly
Isle of Wight5248
Kent77256
Lancashire1,72368
Leicestershire36072
Lincolnshire—
Holland9993
Kesteven9358
Lindsey28374
Norfolk34777
Northamptonshire23968
Northumberland28055
Nottinghamshire39057
Oxfordshire20371
Rutland45152
Shropshire14943
Somerset33255
Staffordshire33444
Suffolk, East14856
Suffolk, West8046
Surrey29029
Sussex, East23452
Sussex, West27254
Warwickshire29146
Westmorland2940
Wiltshire44089
Worcestershire29864
Yorkshire—
East Riding15860
North Riding12236
West Riding1,00755
Local AuthorityNumber of Adult Training Centre Place available at 31st March 1973Number of places per 100,000 population
County Boroughs
Barnsley80107
Barrow-in-Furness4062
Bath4654
Birkenhead9569
Birmingham50050
Blackburn6059
Blackpool10067
Bolton7045
Bootle90123
Bournemouth11779
Bradford21774
Brighton12476
Bristol29570
Burnley110147
Burton-on-Trent3672
Bury4363
Canterbury2261
Carlisle3853
Chester6096
Coventry28083
Darlington7790
Derby9041
Dewsbury3059
Doncaster7896
Dudley17594
Eastbourne4158
Exeter97103
Gateshead7580
Gloucester8088
Great Yarmouth60120
Grimsby6063
Halifax5965
Hastings74100
Huddersfield4031
Ipswich4033
Kingston-upon-Hull341121
Leeds34870
Leicester20071
Linconln110149
Liverpool610104
Luton8351
Manchester41678
Newcastle-upon-Tyne20695
Northampton9373
Norwich8974
Nottingham22075
Oldham141134
Oxford115103
Plymouth15160
Portsmouth13565
Preston8084
Reading9772
Rochdale5963
Rotherham90106
Salford140109
Sheffield29557
Warley13885
Solihull6358
Southampton20596
Southend-on-Sea12174
Southport4047
South Shields6061
Stockport9065
Stoke-on-Trent23489
Local AuthorityNumber of Adult Training Centre Place available at 31st March 1973Number of places per 100,000 population
Sunderland13060
St. Helens6259
Teesside20552
Torbay119112
Tynemouth4668
Wakefield60100
Wallasey5557
Walsall15785
Warrington5684
West Bromwich12576
Hartlepools7072
Wigan94115
Wolverhampton19071
Worcester5067
York9389
London Boroughs
Barking15598
Barnet25483
Bexley10147
Brent13248
Bromley13243
Camden15076
Croydon23370
Ealing15552
Enfield14755
Greenwich14768
Hackney21499
Hammersmith5932
Haringey11549
Harrow12159
Havering20181
Hillingdon18880
Hounslow12159
Islington10051
Royal Borough of Kensington-Chelsea2815
Royal Borough of Kingston-upon-Thames9065
Lambeth15953
Lewisham16362
Merton12370
Newham21894
Redbridge9640
Richmond-upon-Thames7443
Southward17971
Sutton8047
Tower Hamlets12075
Waltham Forest17374
Wandsworth16054
City of Westminster4620
City of London

Population Census

asked the Secretary of State for Social Services what preparations he is making for the next census of population; and when it will take place.

No decision has yet been taken on when to hold the next census of population but the Office of Population Censuses and Surveys is making the necessary plans and preparations.As part of these preparations the Office of Population Censuses and Surveys will make a further test of census methods in April next year, covering some 100,000 households in Bath CB, Weston-super-Mare MB, Burnley CB, Lancaster MB and Lancaster RD. Public participation in the test will be voluntary.Several possible improvements in methods will be tested. To reduce the burden of form filling, the census form for all households will include the same basic questions, such as those on age and sex, but only a varying selection of questions on other topics. A large-scale test of this sampling procedure, which worked well in a preliminary test in October 1972, is required now. Questions on the form have been redesigned to make them easier for householders to answer. Procedures by which householders can, if they wish, return forms unseen by the enumerator will be tested, as will technical developments designed to speed the production of census results. The questions asked in the forms will not necessarily be those used in the next full census.The information returned on the forms will be treated as confidential and used only for compiling statistics. No information about identifiable individuals or households will be disclosed outside the Office of Population Censuses and Surveys. A major object of the test will be to obtain the public's reactions to the proposed changes, and I very much hope that all who are invited to take part in it will do so.Specimen forms will be placed in the Library early next year.My right hon. Friend the Secretary of State for Scotland is arranging for the General Register Office (Scotland) to carry out a voluntary test in Scotland at the same time. It will be on broadly similar lines, though with variations in forms and procedures, and it will take place in the Burgh of Grangemouth and in Machars District of the County of Wigtown, covering some 10,500 households.

Trade And Industry

Plant And Machinery (Investment)

asked the Secretary of State for Trade and Industry what are the latest figures of investment in industrial plant and machinery; and how they compare with those for June 1970.

Capital expenditure on plant and machinery in manufacturing, distributive and service industries—at 1970 prices seasonally adjusted—for the three years from June 1970 to June 1973 was £6,518 million. For the three years prior to June 1970 the figure was £6,079 million. For the second quarter of 1973 the figure was £543 million and for the same quarter in 1970 it was £577 million. Third quarter figures will be published on 3rd December. Further details were published in the 4th October 1973 issue of Trade and Industry.

asked the Secretary of State for Trade and Industry what has been the level of investment in industrial plant and machinery for each quarter since January 1970; and, for each quarter, what has been the percentage change compared to June 1970.

Since the first quarter of 1970 the estimates of the volume of investment in plant and machinery, at 1970 prices seasonally adjusted, by manufacturing, distributive and service industries have been as follows:

£ million (1970 prices)Percentage change on Q2 1970
1970:
Q1559-3
Q2577
Q3580+1
Q4582+1
1971:
Q1557-3
Q2548-5
Q3553-4
Q4527-9
1972:
Q1536-7
Q2522-10
Q3507-12
Q4512-11
1973:
Q1550-5
Q2543-6

In the first half of 1973 the volume of investment in plant and machinery was 7 per cent. higher than in the second half of 1972.

Coal

asked the Secretary of State for Trade and Industry what changes have taken place in stocks of coal held by the National Coal Board and at power stations since the figures he reported at 13th October last.

Power station coal stocks were 19·1 million tons on 10th November 1973. Because of labour disputes there is no firm information on National Coal Board stocks after 20th October 1973 when they stood at 13·3 million tons. However, the NCB estimated its stocks on 3rd November 1973 at 13 million tons.

Hotels (Bristol)

asked the Secretary of State for Trade and Industry what is the total amount of central funds given towards the provision of new hotel accommodation within the city of Bristol for the period 1966 to the latest available date.

I have no information about payments to hotels within the city of Bristol from central funds since 1965. Information about payments made to hotels in England under the Hotel Development Incentives Scheme introduced in 1969 is a matter for the English Tourist Board.

Coal Industry

asked the Secretary of State for Trade and Industry what was the increase in wages offered to miners under phase 3; and what would be the difference between the minimum and average wage if the offer were accepted.

Increased basic rates of £2·57 for underground workers and £2·30 for those on the surface, with two-thirds of those increases for juveniles under 18; shift allowances of 17p per hour for all men who work between 8 p.m. and 6 a.m.; improved holiday pay; an extra day's holiday on New Year's Day and improved death, retirement and incapacity benefits under the Mineworkers Pensions Scheme. The board is also ready to negotiate an efficiency payments scheme which could give up to one half of the increase allowed under the pay limit and a threshold agreement in accordance with the pay code. If the offer were accepted, the difference between the minimum and average wage would be about £6·40, assuming that in each case the same number of night hours is worked.

asked the Secretary of State for Trade and Industry whether he will publish for the longest stated period of time as is convenient details giving the number of miners employed in the pits at stated times, the number of pits in operation, and the number closed; and if he will give a general direction to the National Coal Board to reopen these pits in view of the national energy situation.

I do not propose to give a general direction to the National Coal Board to reopen closed collieries but shall continue to discuss with the board its general plans, including future capacity of the industry.The information requested is as follows:

Year ended DecemberAverage number of mineworkers employed (thousands)Number of producing collieries at end DecemberNumber of collieries closed
1947703·995821
1948716·594035
1949712·591231
1950690·890122
1951692·689610
1952709·788011
1953707·487518
1954701·886719
1955698·785022
1956697·484014
1957703·882219
1958692·779328
1959658·273753
1960602·169835
1961570·566929
1962550·961652
Year ended MarchAverage number of mineworkers employed (thousands)Number of producing collieries at end MarchNumber of collieries closed
1964517·057640
1965491·053440
1966455·748352
1967419·443846
1968391·937651
1969336·331755
1970305·129919
1971287·22926
1972281·52893
1973268·02818

Companies House

asked the Secretary of State for Trade and Industry when he expects to begin and to complete the withdrawal of staff from Companies House in London.

The build-up of staff at Cardiff is expected to begin in the second half of 1975 and to be completed in about six months. The necessary staff will remain in London to serve the principal search facilities there.

Power Stations (Planning Consents)

asked the Secretary of State for Trade and Industry what is the number of planning consents that have been granted to the Central Electricity Generating Board for coal-burning, oil-fired and nuclear power stations, respectively; and if he will name the locations and the date that planning consent was given.

Outstanding consents or consents given since the beginning of 1968 under Section 2 of the Electric Lighting Act 1909 include the following stations:

LocationDate of Consent
Coal Burning
West Burton B Notts23.8.73
Oil Fired
1 Isle of Grain Kent29.10.69
2 Ince B Cheshire22.11.71
3 Killingholme Lincs16.6.72
4 Littlebrook D Kent19.7.72
5 Inswork Point Cornwall23.8.73
Nuclear
1 Hartlepool Co. Durham21.8.68
2 Sizewell B Suffolk29.10.69
3 Heysham Lancs29.10.69
Gas Turbines
1 Watford21.7.71
2 Letchworth Herts21.7.71
3 Ocker Hill West Bromwich11.10.71
4 Leicester2.5.72
5 Bull Bridge Hillingdon12.10.72
6 Roosecote Barrow in Furness9.11.72
7 Taylors Lane Brent12.12.72
8 Chadderton Lancs21.5.73
9 Nechells Birmingham29.6.73
10 Cowes IOW2.7.73

Petrol (Rural Areas)

asked the Secretary of State for Trade and Industry if he will, in the context of plans for petrol rationing, ensure that a special allowance will be made for rural areas where there is no public transport available.

In our contingency planning for petrol rationing, living in a rural area where there is no means of travel other than by car would be one of the many qualifying factors taken into account in judging the need to provide people with supplementary petrol allowances.

Oil Supplies

asked the Secretary of State for Trade and Industry whether any oil tankers believed to have been en route to the United Kingdom have been diverted elsewhere; and whether any oil has been shipped abroad from the United Kingdom since the cutback of supplies from the Middle East.

I am not aware of oil consigned to the United Kingdom being diverted elsewhere.

asked the Secretary of State for Trade and Industry how many days' supply of oil at current rates of consumption is now in stock.

I do not think it would be helpful to give estimates of the stock position from day to day. Fluctuations may occur for a variety of reasons. There has been some reduction of stocks during November. The latest figure is approximately 64 days.

Motor Rallies

asked the Secretary of State for Trade and Industry whether, in view of the petrol shortage, he will consider banning motor rallies.

I have been asked to reply.At our request the RAC is ceasing from authorising rallies and is revoking authorisations already issued.

Wales

Community Health Councils

asked the Secretary of State for Wales if he will use the services of the rural community councils to convene meetings of voluntary organisations and accept from them lists of names from which members of the community health councils can be chosen.

Rural community councils and other interested bodies will be welcome to submit names of organisations likely to be interested in appointing members. It will be for voluntary organisations themselves to decide how best any meetings might be convened. Preliminary discussions with representatives of organisations suggest that the pattern may vary from one locality to another: but rural community councils, if willing, may well have a rôle to play.

asked the Secretary of State for Wales how he proposes to allocate the places on community health councils to voluntary bodies.

Preliminary lists of organisations likely to be interested are being drawn up locally and at an appropriate time I shall issue an open Press invitation to all organisations to apply for consideration. In consultation with the new county and district councils I shall then select organisations which will be invited to agree among themselves how the available places shall be allocated. Failing agreement within a reasonable period I shall determine an allocation.

asked the Secretary of State for Wales if he will extend the consultations he is having with the county and district councils, on the setting up of community health councils, to parish councils.

No, for time is short and I am satisfied that the new county and district councils will take into account the interest in the health service of all the communities within their areas.

Hospital Beds

asked the Secretary of State for Wales how many beds there are currently in National Health Service hospitals in Wales, expressed in terms of every 10,000 of population; and how this figure compares with that for England.

The latest comparable figures available are for December 1972. These show 93 beds per 10,000 population in Wales against 90 in England.

Roads (Cardiganshire)

asked the Secretary of State for Wales if he will give the totals expended on classified roads in Cardiganshire for each of the years 1968 to 1972 inclusive.

The amounts spent on principal roads in Cardiganshire in the financial years 1967–68 to 1972–73 were as follows:

1967–68£163,000
1968–69£173,000
1969–70£175,000
1970–71£208,000
1971–72£322,000
1972–73£322,000
Information provided by local authorities of expenditure on non-principal roads is no longer subdivided between classified and unclassified roads.

Taxation And Government Expenditure

asked the Secretary of State for Wales if he will arrange for a survey to be made showing both the current payments made by central Government to Wales and the contributions made by Wales to the central Exchequer.

Surveys have been made in the past and shown that Wales has an overall deficit with the rest of the United Kingdom. I will bear in mind the hon. Member's suggestion of a further survey.