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Volume 884: debated on Tuesday 14 January 1975

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Written Answers To Questions

Tuesday 14th January 1975

Defence

Widows' Pensions

3.

asked the Secretary of State for Defence if he will review the system under which widows of soldiers not attaining the rank of WO1 and discharged before 1st September 1950 receive no family forces pension after their husband's decease.

As I said on 21st November last in reply to a similar Question—[Vol. 881, c. 497]—I am re-examining this matter but cannot yet forecast the outcome.

Diego Garcia

4.

asked the Secretary of State for Defence what progress he has made in his discussions on the proposed expansion of the base at Diego Garcia; and if he will ensure that any agreement does not conflict with his present policy on arms limitation in the Indian Ocean.

A formal agreement for a relatively modest expansion of the existing facilities will be concluded in due course. We shall naturally ensure that this accords with our policy on arms limitation in the area.

Atomic Energy Research Establishments

8.

asked the Secretary of State for Defence if he is satisfied with security at atomic energy research establishments.

There are comprehensive security arrangements at the Atomic Weapons Research Establishment and they are kept under continuous review.

Service Casualties (Notification)

20.

asked the Secretary of State for Defence if he is satisfied with present methods of informing relatives of soldiers receiving injuries in the course of their duties.

Yes. Relatives are automatically informed when a soldier is killed or seriously injured, whether or not he was on duty at the time. In cases of lesser injury, when soldiers are able to inform their relatives themselves, they are generally expected to do so.

Civilian Employment

24.

asked the Secretary of State for Defence how many men and women are at present employed in auxiliary support of the three Services; and how many on defence contract work in private industry.

Civilians directly employed by the Ministry of Defence in support of the Services number about 298,000. In addition, about 18,000 are employed in the Royal ordnance factories. The Property Services Agency of the Department of the Environment also employs about 32,000 civilians on defence work. The total numbers engaged on defence contract work in private industry are assessed as about 240,000.

Redundancies

25.

asked the Secretary of State for Defence when he expects to commence discussions with the trade unions on redundancies likely to arise from the defence review.

Just as soon as possible, as the detailed implications of the review emerge.

Jaguar Aircraft

26.

asked the Secretary of State for Defence if he has taken steps to support the sale of Jaguar aircraft to allied air forces, in view of imminent decisions on a major aircraft replacement programme.

Yes. Such steps as have been open to commend Jaguar to the four NATO countries currently considering the replacement of the F104G aircraft have been taken.

Polaris Warheads And Tactical Nuclear Weapons

31.

asked the Secretary of State for Defence if he will cancel the contracts for new Polaris warheads and tactical nuclear weapons; and if he will make a statement.

No. Our nuclear forces constitute a unique European contribution to NATO to which our allies attach special importance. We can maintain this contribution at relatively modest cost and we propose to do so.

34.

asked the Secretary of State for Defence if he will make a statement on the future of tactical nuclear weapons in service with the Armed Forces.

I have nothing further to add to the answer I gave to my hon. Friend the Member for Edinburgh, Central (Mr. Cook) earlier this afternoon.

Civil Servants

29.

asked the Secretary of State for Defence how many civil servants he estimates will lose their jobs as a result of his defence cuts.

Baor

32.

asked the Secretary of State for Defence, in making cuts in defence expenditure, what account was taken of Great Britain's balance of payments problem, particularly as regards British military forces in Western Germany.

Every aspect of defence expenditure was critically examined during the defence review.

Nato Countries

33.

asked the Secretary of State for Defence what response he has received from the other NATO countries to the Government's proposed cuts in defence expenditure.

I cannot at this stage add to what I told the House in the defence debate on 16th December 1974.

Research And Development

30.

asked the Secretary of State for Defence if he will list the areas in which the proposed cutbacks in expenditure on research and development will be made as promised in the defence review.

Substantial cuts will be made in administrative support and in the research programme, but it is from the development of specific items of equipment that the bulk of the savings will come.

Dockyards

35.

asked the Secretary of State for Defence whether he can now say by how much in terms of volume and value he expects the traditional work in each of the four Royal dockyards to decline, in the light of the recently announced defence cuts.

The precise effects of the defence review proposals will depend on the outcome of consultations with our allies and further detailed study. However, warship refitting will remain the primary rôole of all four dockyards although further diversification of their work will be introduced where capacity is available.

Nato (Communications Systems)

36.

asked the Secretary of State for Defence whether he is satisfied with the communications systems, air to sea, within NATO; and what progress is being made towards getting a uniformity which would be satisfactory in any future conflict.

The air to sea communications of NATO forces are already basically compatible, but some NATO countries use more advanced equipment than others. Continual efforts are made to maintain compatibility as technology advances.

Review

37.

asked the Secretary of State for Defence whether he is now in a position to give further details of the defence cuts announced in 1974.

A White Paper will be published once consultations with our allies have been completed.

Parachute Regiment

38.

asked the Secretary of State for Defence what decisions he has made about the size and rôole of the Parachute Regiment in the period covered by the defence review.

Since the proposals postulated by the defence review are still subject to detailed study, both within the Ministry of Defence and with our allies, I am unable at this time to give details of any changes that may arise in the size and rôole of any regiment or corps.

Declassification Procedures

39.

asked the Secretary of State for Defence, in view of the public anxiety expressed over the decision to remove the nerve gas VX from the secret list, if he will now say when he expects to make a statement on the review of declassification procedures.

41.

asked the Secretary of State for Defence what action his Department proposes to take concerning the decisions of his predecessors in 1962 and 1973, respectively, first to register a patent for the nerve gas VX and then to remove the limitations on public disclosure originally attached to the registered information.

Her Majesty's Government have never patented VX. The patent application made in 1962 covered certain improvements in the chemical processes for making the group of compounds which includes V agents. The classified procedure was followed in view of the potential military applications of some of these compounds.By 1973 much information on V agents had become widely known, partly as a result of a process of disclosure with a view towards the prohibition of chemical weapons. The nature of VX itself had been disclosed in 1971 when all the Western countries concerned had agreed to its declassification. As no justification was seen for retaining the classification of the United Kingdom patent application, it was published in February 1974.However, given present circumstances I am reviewing the procedures relating to declassification to ensure that safeguards are adequate. The case for reclassifying the information related to V agents is also being considered.

Northern Ireland

40.

asked the Secretary of State for Defence how many vehicles have been searched by the security forces in Northern Ireland during the period of the so-called truce; and how many members of the IRA were arrested or captured during the same period.

Between 23rd December 1974 and 13th January almost 300,000 vehicles were searched by the security forces. In the same period 45 persons were arrested and charged with offences of a security nature. Some of these may have been members of the IRA.

Nato

42.

asked the Secretary of State for Defence whether Her Majesty's Government will submit themselves to a similar process of consultation with NATO in regard to its defence review as did the Netherlands in 1974; and, if so, whether the Government will permit the publication by NATO of the deliberations of the Defence Planning Committee of the Alliance in the form of an agreed communiqué.

Consultations with our NATO allies on our defence review proposals are being conducted in accordance with the established procedures which I described to the House on 16th December 1974, and which were also followed in the case of the Netherlands earlier last year. I cannot anticipate the results of the Defence Planning Committee's deliberations.

Low Flying

asked the Secretary of State for Defence whether he will give, area by area, the number of complaints received by his Department about low-flying aircraft during the years 1973 and 1974.

In 1973 a total of 1,528 complaints about military low flying in the United Kingdom were received in the Ministry of Defence. The broad geographical incidence of these complaints was as follows:

Northern Scotland203
Southern Scotland117
Northern England215
West Midlands224
East Midlands and East Anglia338
Wales156
South-West England122
Southern England153
The complaints received in 1974 are at present the subject of detailed analysis but the total figure is provisionally estimated at between 1,550 and 1,600.

Patents

asked the Secretary of State for Defence how many patents are registered in the name of his Department; how many are classified as secret; and what considerations are taken into account when decisions are taken to declassify previously secret patents.

There are approximately 400 United Kingdom patents at present in force and registered in the name of the Secretary of State for Defence. None of these patents is classified as "secret", since patents are not granted in respect of classified inventions. There are approximately 90 "secret" patent applications in the name of the Secretary of State. In taking a decision whether or not to declassify a "secret" patent application, the Secretary of State is required by Section 18 of the Patents Act 1949 to consider whether publication of the invention would be prejudicial to the defence of the realm.

Military Hospitals (Woolwich)

asked the Secretary of State for Defence how many beds are now available at the Royal Herbert Military Hospital, Woolwich.

It is a 280-bed hospital with 205 beds currently equipped and staffed.

asked the Secretary of State for Defence how many beds are now available at the Military Maternity Hospital, Woolwich.

It is a 30-bed hospital with 24 beds currently equipped and staffed.

asked the Secretary of State for Defence if he will provide the following information about the new military hospital now under construction at Woolwich Common: (a) the expected completion date, (b) the estimated total cost, (c) the number of general beds to be provided, (d) the number of general beds expected to be needed to meet military requirements, (e) the number of maternity beds to be provided and (f) the number of maternity beds expected to be needed to meet military requirements.

It is planned to commission the hospital for use in May 1977.The estimated cost of the hospital under construction is £6½ million, and further work on staff accommodation and other facilities is planned; tenders for these are expected shortly.The hospital will replace the Woolwich military hospitals and also the Queen Alexandra Military Hospital, Millbank. It will have 209 general—including paediatric—and 30 maternity beds, and a further 240 speciality beds as it will be the Army's reference hospital.

asked the Secretary of State for Defence whether any of the beds to be provided at the new military hospital at Woolwich Common are likely to be made available for the use of the Greenwich and Bexley Area Health Authority.

We shall make a proportion of beds at the new Woolwich Hospital available to National Health Service patients, in accordance with our general practice for military hospitals, and arrangements to this end are under discussion.

asked the Secretary of State for Defence what plans he has for the future use of the site and buildings of the Royal Herbert Military Hospital, Woolwich, after the completion of the new military hospital at Woolwich Common.

No decision has yet been made. However, if there is no future Ministry of Defence requirement for the buildings or site of the hosptal, the Property Services Agency of the Department of the Environment will follow the usual redundant land and accommodation procedure, offering the hospital first to other Government Departments and then to the local authorities.

Royal Air Force (Manpower Reductions)

asked the Secretary of State for Defence how many redundancies he expects within the RAF arising out of manpower reductions in uniformed personnel; and how much of these cuts will be contained by reduction in recruitment.

Until consultations with allies have been completed, it will not be possible to give precise information on manning implications. I expect, however, that the major part of the cuts in uniformed strengths will be effected through reductions in RAF recruitment. Some redundancies will, however, be unavoidable.

Raf Innsworth (Personnel)

asked the Secretary of State for Defence what is the number of RAF and civilian personnel employed at RAF Innsworth at the present time; and if he can yet say how that number will be affected by the defence review in the immediate future and by 1980.

599 RAF and 1,007 civilian personnel are at present employed at RAF

31st December 194431st December 195431st December 196430th September 1974
Royal Navy/Royal Marines*
Admiral of the Fleet2111
Admiral141087
Vice Admiral23281714
Rear Admiral79695553
Army
Field Marshal311
General912910
Lieutenant General52191611
Major General24512610182
Royal Air Force
Marshal of the Royal Air Force111
Air Chief Marshal8667
Air Marshal16151715
Air Vice Marshal71696548
* The figures quoted cover both the Naval ranks listed and the equivalent ranks of the Royal Marines.

Personnel

asked the Secretary of State for Defence how many men and women were employed in the Royal Navy, the Army and the Royal Air Force, respectively, in the years 1944, 1954, 1964 and 1974, respectively.

The information is as follows:

MalesFemales
As at 31st December 1944
RN/RM792,00073,000
Army2,774,000197,000
RAF996,000166,000
Nursing Services21,000
Tri-Service totals4,562,000457,000

Innsworth, including the Royal Air Force Personnel Management Centre. I am unable to say at present what effect the defence review will have on these numbers.

Officers

asked the Secretary of State for Defence how many men were employed on the active list in the following ranks in Her Majesty's Forces in the years 1944, 1954, 1964 and 1974, respectively: Admiral of the Fleet, Field Marshal, Marshal of the Royal Air Force, Admiral, General, Air Chief Marshal, Vice-Admiral, Lieutenant-General, Air Marshal, Rear-Admiral, Major-General, Air Vice-Marshal.

The information is as follows:

MalesFemales
As at 31st December 1954
RN/RM128,0005,000
Army503,0008,000
RAF257,0008,000
Tri-Service totals888,00021,000
As at 31st December 1964
RN/RM97,0003,000
Army215,0007,000
RAF127,0006,000
Tri-Service totals439,00016,000
As at 30th September 1974
RN/RM75,0003,600
Army175,0005,700
RAF92,0005,100
Tri-Service totals342,00014,400

The figures above include both United Kingdom and non-United Kingdom personnel but make no reference to the Indian Army.

The figures shown for females in 1954, 1964 and 1974 include the nursing services.

Vx Nerve Gas

asked the Secretary of State for Defence why the nerve gas known as VX has been taken off the secret list.

Employment

Baird And Taplock, Chadwell Heath

43.

asked the Secretary of State for Employment what was the cause of the recent fire at Bond and Taplock's premises in Chadwell Heath; and whether his Department's requirements as to the keeping of dangerous inflammable chemicals in their warehouse was being observed.

I am informed by the Health and Safety Executive that a fire occurred at Baird and Taplock's premises at about 11.40 p.m. on New Year's Eve. The firm supplies chemicals to laboratories and large quantities of flammable liquids are stored and used. The premises are licensed under the Petroleum (Consolidation) Act.

Number unemployed for over 26 weeksNumber unemployed for over 26 weeks in the specified age groups as a percentage of the total, males and females unemployed
Boys aged under 18Men aged 18 and under 25Boys aged under 18 (Per cent.)Men aged 18 and under 25 (Per cent.)
Great Britain
July 19706739,5600·11·7
July 19711,63618,3950·22·5
July 19723,39031,4050·43·9
July 19731,29615,7130·22·8
July 197458912 4980·12·2
Scotland
July 19701562,2120·22·4
July 19715304,5740·43·6
July 19721,0406,5640·84·8
July 19733723,5220·43·6
July 19741432,2310·22·5

Coal Mining

The fire was a reportable dangerous occurrence under the Factories Act 1961 and inquiries were begun by the district inspector on 2nd January. The cause of the fire is at present unknown, but arson has not been ruled out.

The storage of flammable liquids is subject to the requirements of the Petroleum (Consolidation) Act 1828 and the Highly Flammable Liquids and Liquefied Petroleum Gases Regulations 1972. The latter require storage in a "safe place". An outside drum storage for about 150 drums of flammable liquids may have been closer than desirable to a boundary fence.

Boys And Young Men

asked the Secretary of State for Employment how many boys under 18 years of age and how many men between 18 and 25 years of age, respectively, were unemployed for longer than six months during each of the past five years for which figures are available; and what percentage this constituted of the total of all those unemployed in Great Britain as a whole, and in Scotland, respectively.

The most recent analysis of the unemployed register according to age and duration of unemployment relates to 8th July 1974. The following table shows the available information for July each year:on inquiry into underground working conditions in coal mines, in view of the conditions faced by workers in the coal mining industry.

No. Working conditions underground in mines have greatly improved over the last 10–20 years, and this is being maintained by the use of improved equipment and working methods and by the vigilance of Her Majesty's inspectors and both sides of industry. The provisions in the new Coal Mines (Respirable Dust) Regulations, which should be in operation later this year, will improve matters further.I am sure that the Health and Safety Commission will encourage the continuation of the tradition of consultation within the industry which will ensure that these matters continue to be kept under constant review.

Outworkers And Homeworkers

asked the Secretary of State for Employment whether he will produce a code of conduct laying down terms and conditions on which firms engaging persons as outworkers or home-workers should base their employment practices.

We have been considering this subject generally but have no precise proposals at the moment and would be glad to receive any particular representations my hon. Friend would like to make about it.

Wages Councils

asked the Secretary of State for Employment what response he has had from interested bodies over the recommendation in Report No. 89 of the Commission on Industrial Relations to amalgamate wages councils in retail distribution.

Those wages councils, employers' side leaders and workers' side leaders who have so far given their views have agreed to participate in meetings to discuss the CIR's conclusions.

Social Services

Benefit Rates

44.

asked the Secretary of State for Social Services if she will take steps to increase all social security payments in view of the recently announced increases in the prices of the nationalised industries and the increased postal and telephone charges to be made by the postal authorities.

As my hon. Friend knows we are proposing to increase benefits substantially from 7th April and have undertaken that there will be a second uprating later in the year.

Supplementary Benefits (Claimants)

asked the Secretary of State for Social Services if she will publish in the Official Report the total number of supplementary benefit claimants for 1974; and if she will break down this information in a similar way to the information on supplementary benefit recipients presented in table 50 of "Social Trends No. 4".

Provisional information relating to November 1974 is as follows:

Thousands
Retirement pensioners and national insurance widows aged 60 years and over1,708
Others over pension age92
Unemployed with national insurance benefit73*
Unemployed without national insurance benefit230*
Sick and disabled with national insurance benefit96
Sick and disabled without national insurance benefit166
Women under 60 with dependent children248
National insurance widows under 6044
Others23
Total persons receiving supplementary benefit2,681*
—of whom wage-stopped (unemployed)7
* Excludes the unemployed who received no payment of supplementary benefit during week of the enquiry made in November 1974.

Pensions

asked the Secretary of State for Social Services if she will take steps to speed up the payment of pension increases.

It has been the policy of successive administrations to avoid anomalies by uprating other benefits, and in particular supplementary benefit, at the same time as pensions. The time needed to uprate supplementary benefit cannot be substantially reduced at present because individual reassessments are necessary; although studies are being made of the feasibility of speeding up this operation, it is likely to be some years before we can make any significant improvements.

Chiropody (Training)

asked the Secretary of State for Social Services how many students are enrolled for chiropody training; and what criteria are used in determining the number of training places.

During the current academic year 434 students are undertaking chiropody training in England in schools at Birmingham, Chelsea, the London Foot Hospital and Salford. A new school at Durham is planned to open later this year with an intake of 15 students per annum. There are no centrally agreed criteria for determining the number of training places in chiropody, but I am keeping the situation under review in consultation with my right hon. Friend the Secretary of State for Education and Science.

Benefits (Recovery)

asked the Secretary of State for Social Services (1), where supplementary benefit is recovered from claimants, what proportions are recovered by deduction from payment of benefit, by repayment upon demand, and by civil action;(2) how much supplementary benefit is recovered from the estates of deceased claimants under Section 26 of the Ministry of Social Security Act 1966;(3) how much supplementary benefit is recovered from living claimants under Section 26 of the Ministry of Social Security Act 1966;(4) how much supplementary benefit is recovered from claimants and their estates other than in reliance on Section 26 of the Supplementary Benefits Act 1966, and on what grounds.

The only figure readily available is that of cash refunds of supplementary benefit and former national assistance which totalled £1,802,254 for the year 1973–74. Of this, a total of £867,964 was recovered from the estates of deceased persons. The other figures required could be obtained only at the cost of a disproportionate amount of staff time.

asked the Secretary of State for Social Services, where national insurance benefit is recovered from claimants, what proportions are recovered by deduction from payment of benefit, by repayment upon demand, and by civil action;(2) where industrial injuries benefits is recovered from claimants, what proportions are recovered by deduction from payment of benefit, by repayment upon demand, and by civil action;(3) how much national insurance benefit is recovered from the estates of deceased claimants under Section 81 of the National Insurance Act 1965;(4) how much national insurance benefit is recovered from living claimants under Section 81 of the National Insurance Act 1965;(5) how much national insurance benefit is recovered from claimants and their estates other than in reliance of Section 81 of the National Insurance Act 1965, and on what grounds;(6) how much industrial injuries benefit is recovered from the estates of deceased claimants under Section 54 of the National Insurance (Industrial Injuries) Act 1965;(7) how much industrial injuries benefit is recovered from living claimants under Section 54 of the National Insurance (Industrial Injuries) Act 1965;(8) how much industrial injuries benefit is recovered from claimants and their estates other than in reliance on Section 54 of the National Insurance (Industrial Injuries) Act 1965, and on what grounds.

The figures required are not readily available and could be obtained only at the cost of a disproportionate amount of staff time.

Disabled Drivers (Fuel Prices)

asked the Secretary of State for Social Services if, in view of the recent further increase in petrol prices, she will report quickly on the impact of VAT on petrol and oil prices as they affect disabled drivers; and if she will make an urgent statement on her Department's policy towards this problem.

The most recent price increases are mainly due to the rising costs of imported fuel. The £10 allowance to disabled drivers of the Department's vehicles is being introduced to provide a partial exemption from the additional VAT imposed last November as an energy conservation measure.

National Insurance (Self-Employed Persons)

asked the Secretary of State for Social Services when the Commercial Travellers' Association can expect a full reply to its letter of 25th October 1974 seeking an interview with her on matters pertaining to the change in the rate of national insurance for the self-employed; and when the hon. Member for Newham, North-West may expect a reply to his letter on the same subject dated 29th December 1974.

I replied to the association on 17th December and my hon. Friend has also now received a reply to his letter. I met my hon. Friend and representatives of the Association on 8th January.

Diabetics

asked the Secretary of State for Social Services why it has not been possible to reply to the letter from the hon. Member for Bridgwater of 6th September 1974 in connection with the letter from his constituent, Mr. H. Sheppard, about the problems of diabetics.

House Of Commons

Leader Of The Opposition

45.

asked the Lord President of the Council what plans he has for strengthening the office of the Leader of the Opposition.

This is one aspect of the Government's proposals for financial assistance to Opposition parties to which I referred in my statement of 19th December. A Government motion covering this matter is at present on the Order Paper. It will, I hope, be brought before the House in due course.

Trade

Eec Trade Deficit

asked the Secretary of State for Trade what was the United Kingdom trade deficit with the EEC between 1970 and 1973 and to the latest date for which figures are available, as a proportion of the United Kingdom total trade deficit.

Following is the information:

VISIBLE TRADE BALANCES WITH EEC(8)
Balance of payments basis £ millionAs a percentage of total trade balance
1970+93*
1971-131*
1972 -51376
1973† -1,13148
1974† (first nine months)-1,36836
* Percentages are inappropriate: the total trade balance was—£9 million in 1970 and + £285 million in 1972.
† Excluding trade in oil the percentages were 76 and 100 respectively; figures for earlier years are not available on this basis.

"Buy British"

46.

asked the Secretary of State for Trade whether, without incurring much expense on publicity, he will inaugurate a campaign to encourage people to buy British.

It is my strong belief that in our present very difficult balance of payments situation all of us, whether as commercial or industrial buyers or as consumers, should give particular consideration to the British goods available before buying from abroad.

Prime Minister (Visits)

Q6.

asked the Prime Minister if he will pay an official visit to Diego Garcia.

Q9.

asked the Prime Minister if he will pay an official visit to Diego Garcia.

Q10.

asked the Prime Minister if he will pay an official visit to Diego Garcia.

Q20.

asked the Prime Minister whether he will pay an official visit to Diego Garcia.

Q23.

Q17.

asked the Prime Minister whether he has any plans to visit Shropshire.

Q24.

asked the Prime Minister how many official visits he made during the recess.

Rule Of Law (Minister's Speech)

Q8.

asked the Prime Minister if the public speech by the Secretary of State for Education and Science at Sunderland on 7th December, on the rule of law, represents Government policy.

Q11.

asked the Prime Minister if the public speech on the rule of law by the Secretary of State for Education and Science at Sunderland on 7th December 1974 represents Government policy.

Q25.

asked the Prime Minister if the public speech of the Secretary of State for Education and Science made in Sunderland on 7th December concerning the importance of upholding the rule of law represents Government policy.

In so far as my right hon. Friend was commenting on purely domestic affairs of the Labour Party in the country, no question of Government policy arises. In respect of such parts of the speech as refer to Government policy, the answer is "Yes".

Eec (Heads Of Government Meeting)

Q12.

asked the Prime Minister whether he will make a statement on his discussions at the European summit in Paris.

Q21.

asked the Prime Minister whether he will make a statement on the EEC summit meeting held in Paris on 9th and 10th December.

Scottish Trades Union Congress

Q13.

asked the Prime Minister if he will now arrange to meet the chairman of the STUC at the earliest possible date with a view to discussing the future of Scotland.

I have arranged to visit Scotland on 27th and 28th February when I shall be meeting the General Council of the STUC.

Eec (Prime Minister's Speech)

Q14.

asked the Prime Minister if he will place in the Library a copy of his public speech on the EEC negotiations in London on 7th December.

Q18.

asked the Prime Minister if he will place in the Library a copy of the public speech he made in London on Saturday 7th December on continued membership of the EEC.

Q19.

asked the Prime Minister whether he will place in the Library a copy of his public speech on the EEC given to the London Labour Mayors' Association on 7th December.

Q22.

asked the Prime Minister if he will place in the Library a copy of his public speech on the EEC negotiations in London on 7th December.

I would refer the hon. Members and my hon. Friend to the reply which I gave earlier today to the hon. Member for Mid-Oxon (Mr. Hurd).

European Economic Community

Q15.

asked the Prime Minister when he next expects to meet Heads of Government from EEC countries.

I would refer my hon. Friend to the reply which I gave to my hon. Friend the Member for Nuneaton (Mr. Huckfield) on 17th December.—[Vol. 883, c. 400.]

Social Contract

Q16.

asked the Prime Minister whether he will appoint an adviser to the Government on the social contract, along the lines of his recent appointment of an adviser on industry.

No, and the House may assume that, unless and until I make a statement to the contrary, I do not intend to make any further appointments of this kind.

Ministerial Announcements

Q27.

asked the Prime Minister whether he is aware of the growing practice of Ministers in holding up ministeral announcements when a parliamentary recess is due so that the announcement cannot be made in the House of Commons; and whether he will arrange for all such announcements to be made when the House of Commons is in recess in a Committee Room at the House at which Members of Parliament may be present to question the Minister.

No. Where possible my colleagues seek to make announcements first to Parliament, but I would be prepared to consider my hon. Friend's suggestion in suitable cases if there was evidence that there was any general demand in the House for it.

Minister For Transport

Q26.

asked the Prime Minister if he will elevate the Minister for Transport to Cabinet rank.

No. The House may assume that I do not intend to change the status of any Ministers unless and until I make a statement to the contrary.

American Central Intelligence Agency

Q28.

asked the Prime Minister if he will cause an investigation to be made into the operation of the American Central Intelligence Agency in the United Kingdom in the field of industrial espionage in order to ensure that its activities do not conflict with British security interests; and if he will make a statement.

No. I have no reason to believe that the CIA has engaged or is engaging in industrial espionage in this country.

Doctors And Dentists (Pay)

asked the Prime Minister whether he has yet received the report of the Review Body on Doctors' and Dentists' Remuneration on the interim claim of the professions, lodged with the Review Body on 23rd August; and what action he proposes to take about the contents of the report.

Yes. The Government have announced that they are ready to accept the recommendations contained in the Review Body's supplement to its Fourth Report, which was published as a Command Paper (Cmnd. 5849) on 2nd January.

Agriculture, Fisheries And Food

Lamb And Mutton (Consumption)

asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food how many pounds of lamb and mutton per head of population in Great Britain were consumed in 1972, 1973 and the first six months of 1974.

Estimates of the total consumption of mutton and lamb are available only for the United Kingdom as a whole. The figures for 1972 and 1973 are 20·4 and 18·2 lb per head per annum respectively and 8·1 lb per head for the first six months of 1974.

Civil Service

Top Salaries (Recipients' Perquisites)

asked the Minister for the Civil Service whether he will publish a list in the Official Report showing details of the additional benefits such as use of cars, away from home expenses, pensions, food, uniform, &c., received by those top paid public servants who have recently had their salaries increased, or recommended for increase by the Boyle Committee, and what these benefits are worth in cash payments.

Use of cars:

  • a. Nationalised Industries. This is a matter on which each individual industry may form its own rules which are not subject to Ministerial approval. However the recent report of the Top Salaries Review Body (Cmnd. 5846) provides certain information on this subject in table 12 (page 182).
  • b. Higher Civil Servants. In general, official cars are used for journeys which if performed by public transport would be paid for from public funds. The use of an official car therefore represents no cash benefit to civil servants. Officers of the rank of Permanent Secretary have discretion to use official cars for journeys to and from work. The cash benefit would vary according to where the Permanent Secretary concerned resides.
  • c. Senior Armed Forces Officers. Similar arrangements as in (b) above.
  • d. Judiciary. Members of the higher judiciary may be provided with the use of an official car when travelling fully robed. When on circuit an official car may be provided for journeys between the lodgings and the court and to the railway station and for other necessary journeys.
  • 2. Away from home expenses

  • a. Nationalised Industries. Travelling and subsistence expenses incurred directly on the business of the Board are reimbursed from Board funds.
  • b. Higher Civil Servants. Fixed allowances, the amounts of which are revised from time to time, are paid at daily rates to cover the cost of living away from home when travelling on official duty and official accommodation is not provided. The current rates for 24 hour absences are £12·35 in London and £11·30 elsewhere. Lower rates apply where the length of stay exceeds 20 nights.
  • c. Senior officers of the Armed Forces. Arrangements are the same as in (b) above.
  • d. Judiciary. A High Court Judge on circuit is paid an allowance of between £10 and £12 a day (depending on the number of judges accommodated in lodgings) to cover the cost of "housekeeping" (excluding rental, which is not charged) at the lodgings.
  • 3. Pensions

    The various pension benefits are extremely varied and complex but the hon. Member should be able to find all the information he requires in Appendix C to the Top Salaries Review Body report (December 1974).

    4. Food

    Free food is not normally supplied to any of the groups covered by the report.

    5. Uniform

    Uniform or an allowance in lieu is not supplied to members of the higher civil service or of the boards of nationalised industries. Senior officers of the Armed Forces do not receive a uniform allowance but may claim income tax allowance for upkeep. Judges receive a single payment of robing allowance on initial appointments as follows:

    High Court Judge£850
    Circuit JudgeUp to £695 against receipted bills.

    Top Salaries

    asked the Minister for the Civil Service if he will publish a detailed list in the Official Report showing the salary improvements made on the stated dates during the past 15 years for those grades of persons recommended for increases in the December 1974 Boyle Report.

    Details of salary improvements for the four groups concerned during the past 15 years are as follows:

    NATIONALISED BOARDS
    Increases
    Salary at 19671st April 19691st April 19701st January 19711st January 19721st April 19731st January 1974§
    £££££££
    British Steel Corporation:on-formation
    Chairman16,0006,5002,5002,500250350
    Deputy Chairman20,000–24,0001,000–2,000250350
    Members15,000–19,0001,000–2,000250350
    Salary at at 1957*1964
    ££
    Group A Boards:
    Chairmen10,0002,5002,5002,5002,500†2,500250350
    Deputy Chairmen8,0002,000–4,0000–2,0002,0002,000†2,500250350
    Members7,5000–2,000700–9501,150–2,2751,150–2,2752,000250350
    Group B Boards:
    Chairmen7,500–10,0001,000–3,5002,0002,0002,000†2,000250350
    Deputy Chairmen7,5002,0001,5001,000l,500†1,500250350
    Members7,0000–2,500700–950150–775150–7751,500250350
    Group C Boards:
    Chairmen6,500500–3,000700–9501,150–2,2751,150–2,2752,000250350
    Deputy Chairmen5,000500–1,50050–650725–1,175725–1,1751,500250350
    THE HIGHER CIVIL SERVICE
    Salary at 1st February 1959Increases
    1st July 19601st August 19631st September 19651st July 19681st July 19691st July 19701st January 19711st January 19721st April 19731st January 1974§
    £££££££££££
    Head of the Home Civil Service7,4501,3504001,2002,3002,300†1,750250350
    Permanent Secretary to the Treasury
    Secretary to the Cabinet
    Permanent Secretary6,9501,2504001,2002,1002,100†1,750250350
    Salary at 1st August 1963
    £
    Second Permanent Secretary7,7004001,2001,8501,8501,750250350
    Deputy Secretary4,9508505008009509501,500250350
    Under Secretary3,7503006505502505005102401,500250500

    THE JUDICIARY

    Salary at 14th April 1954

    Increases

    1st April 1966

    1st June 1970

    1st January 1971

    26th July 1972

    26th July 1973

    26th July 1974§

    £££££££
    Higher Judiciary:
    Lord Chief Justice10,0002,5001,7502,500†1,750250350
    Lord of Appeal in Ordinary9,0002,2501,7502,500†1,750250350
    Master of the Rolls9,0002,250
    President of the Family Division8,0003,250
    Lord Justice of Appeal8,0002,0001,5002,500†1,750250350
    Puisne Judge

    Salary at 13th May 1959

    increases

    23rd November 1960

    29th November 1963

    19th May 1966

    23rd July 1969

    1st January 1971

    17th July 1972

    17th July 1973

    17th July 1974

    Lower Judiciary:£££££££££
    Metropolitan Magistrate3,8003006505007508001,500250350

    Salary at 1st January 1972

    Increases

    1st April 1973

    1st January 1974

    Circuit Judge‡9,750250350

    SENIOR OFFICERS OF THE ARMED FORCES

    Salary at 1st April 1960

    Increases

    1st April 1962

    1st April 1963

    1st April 1964

    1st April 1966

    1st April 1968

    1st April 1969

    1st April 1970

    1st January 1971

    1st January 1972

    1st April 1973

    1st January 1974§

    ££££££££££££
    Admiral of the Fleet6,72462691805703221,4233,506†1,750250350
    Field Marshal
    Marshal of the Royal Air Force
    Admiral5,81661,0002254982671,6962,992†1,750250350
    General
    Air Chief Marshal
    Vice-Admiral4,90368003534242311,2771,2561,500250350
    Lieutenant-General
    Air Marshal
    Rear Admiral4,0641341276544813872136934971,500250350
    Major-General
    Air Vice-Marshal

    * The grouping of Nationalised Industry Boards into Categories A, B and C took place in 1969. The salaries shown as payable in 1959 and 1964 for these category board are intended to indicate approximate levels of salary paid in various boards which ultimately formed the groups in 1969.

    † The holders of these appointments voluntarily decided to forgo the increases for six months and the effective date was therefore July 1971.
    ‡ The Judicial grade of Circuit Judge was not introduced until 1st January 1972.
    § Plus threshold payments from June 1974.

    Education And Science

    Doctors

    asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science how many persons qualify as graduate doctors per annum.

    The number of students in Great Britain who obtained a first registrable medical qualification increased from 1,805 in 1964–65 to 2,594 in 1973–74, and current plans envisage a further increase to about 3,700 by the middle of the 1980s.

    Medical Schools (Entry Qualifications)

    asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science if there is any difference in the qualifications required for United Kingdom residents and foreigners to gain entry into medical schools.

    The selection of students for admission is a matter for individual universities. I understand, however, that, as applications for medical courses considerably exceed the number of places available, some medical schools do not consider overseas candidates who are able to study medicine in their own countries.

    Schools (Norfolk)

    asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science if he has now considered what allocation he will allow for the provision of new schools in Norfolk for the year 1975–76; and if he will make a statement.

    The school building allocations for 1975–76 are still being considered. My right hon. Friend expects to announce them soon.

    Energy

    Petrol Pumps

    asked the Secretary of State for Energy if he will take steps to ensure that future petrol increases are announced a reasonable time before they take effect in order that self-service petrol pumps may be adjusted to take account of the increase.

    I am aware of the problem with some self-service petrol pumps and have noted this request, although the timing of any future petrol price increase will generally be a commercial matter for the oil suppliers and retailers, after taking into account the requirements of the Price Code. Changes in taxation which affect petrol prices are, of course, a matter for my right hon. Friend the Chancellor of the Exchequer.

    Environment

    Green Belt Land

    asked the Secretary of State for the Environment whether he has yet received the report from the Standing Conference on London and South-East Regional Planning, originally requested by his predecessor, on the potential release of 2,000 acres of green belt land for housing; whether he has yet discussed this matter with representatives of the standing conference; and whether he will make a statement.

    No. My projected meeting with representatives of the standing conference has not yet taken place.

    Water Authorities (Capital Allocations)

    asked the Secretary of State for the Environment whether he has yet determined the capital allocations for 1975–76 for each of the regional water authorities; and what sums have been authorised for each RWA.

    The total capital allocation to water authorities will be set out in the forthcoming White Paper on Public Expenditure, and I cannot anticipate publication of that document. When it is published I will write to the hon. Member with details of the allocations to individual authorities.

    Building (Local Authorities' Direct Labour)

    asked the Secretary of State for the Environment whether he will list the local authorities which have received loan sanction to build dwellings by direct labour since 31st October 1974, naming the scheme in each case, the gross tender price and the number of dwellings involved.

    Local authorityName of schemeGross tender priceNumber of dwellings
    £
    South TynesideEdinburgh Road, Jarrow23,6702
    Bilton Hall, Jarrow311,97039
    SunderlandWard Street221,26723
    North Hedley Street396,73759
    EasingtonStation Road, Blackball24,6073
    Morton Square, Peterlee32,7374
    Federation Square, Murton186,39831
    Daphne Crescent, Seaham25,0891*
    Kingston upon HullNewland Avenue149,14228
    RotherhamChaucer Road, Herringthorpe69,62011
    ColchesterRudder Grange, St. Johns Road132,51026
    Stoke on TrentDale Street, Burslem Phase II225,88930
    Dreaden Phase II321,96542
    BirminghamHawkesley North2,323,474258
    SandwellGraingers Lane, Cradley Heath62,48610
    WalsallHolly Lane, Walsall Wood336,50340
    SwanseaLlangyfelach Road, Tirdeunaw176,87421
    * The price includes provision of common room and other facilities for old people's housing.

    asked the Secretary of State for the Environment (1) what was the value of work carried out by local authority direct labour building departments in the period July to September 1974 on (a) new housing, (b) other new work, (c) housing repair and maintenance and (d) other repair and maintenance work;(2) how many operatives, including apprentices, were employed by local authority direct labour building departments in October 1974 on (

    a) new housing, ( b) other new work, ( c) housing repairs and maintenance and ( d) other repair and maintenance work.

    The following table gives the information requested:

    LOCAL AUTHORITY DIRECT LABOUR BUILDINC DEPARTMENTS—GREAT BRITAIN
    Value of work done July to September 1974Operatives, including apprentices, employed October 1974
    million)(thousands)
    New housing14·210·1
    Other new work26·315·4
    Housing repair and maintenance, including house improvement65·467·6
    Other repair and maintenance84·170·4
    190·0163·5
    All figures shown are provisional.

    The information available to the Department up to 2nd January 1975, is as follows:

    asked the Secretary of State for the Environment how many administrative, professional, technical and clerical staff were employed in local authority direct labour building departments in October 1974.

    London Railways

    asked the Secretary of State for the Environment when he expects to announce his policy towards the London Rail Study and, in particular, to the recommendation made in the study for the early construction of the River Line from Fenchurch Street to Thames-mead East.

    The study's recommendations cover a wide range of matters, for many of which the rail operators or the Greater London Council are responsible. Some call for early decisions, others are for longer-term consideration. The suggested River Line will have to be considered by the Docklands Joint Committee and by the Greater London Council before any official proposal comes to me.

    Basingstoke Canal

    asked the Secretary of State for the Environment if he will now announce his decision on the compulsory purchase order on the Surrey section of the Basingstoke Canal.

    Disabled Drivers (Parking Facilities)

    asked the Secretary of State for the Environment to what extent local authorities now grant uniform parking privileges to the disabled; and whether he will make a statement.

    There is a national scheme of parking concessions for disabled people. This scheme was recently reviewed and I have announced a number of proposed changes. I will write to the hon. Member with full details.

    Home Department

    Vagrancy

    asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department when he proposes to introduce legislation based on the report of the Working Party on Vagrancy and Street Offences.

    This working party has published a working paper on which comments are invited from interested organisations and individuals by 31st March. We must await their views before considering legislation.

    Animal Experiments

    asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department how many experiments performed on animals in 1973 were for "commercial undertakings" as requested under table three of the return required to be completed under the Cruelty to Animals Act 1876.

    Industry

    Postal Buses

    asked the Secretary of State for Industry, in view of the problem of transport in rural areas with the increasing price of petrol, whether he will issue a general direction to the Post Office to consider further the possibility of post buses.

    The general question of transport in rural areas is primarily a matter for my right hon. Friend the Secretary of State for the Environment. So far as the Post Office is concerned, I understand that it is always willing to consider applications for new post bus services on their merits.

    Post Office

    asked the Secretary of State for Industry when he proposes to reappoint to the board of the Post Office Corporation a board member with responsibility for finance and corporate planning.

    Industrial Development Advisory Board

    asked the Secretary of State for Industry whether, in his proposed Industry Bill, he will strengthen the regulatory functions of the Industrial Development Advisory Board.

    The board will continue to exercise the functions described in Section 9 of the Industry Act 1972.

    asked the Secretary of State for Industry if he is proposing to add new members to the Industry Act Advisory Board.

    I shall make appointments to the board as necessary to comply with the provisions of Section 9 of the Industry Act 1972, and these will be announced as they arise. The most recent has been Mr. Donald Chilvers, a senior partner of Coopers and Lybrand.

    Shipbuilding (Scotland)

    asked the Secretary of State for Industry if he will establish a Scottish shipbuilding corporation.

    The Government will announce as soon as possible their detailed proposals for public ownership of the shipbuilding industry. The organisational structure is one of the points currently under consideration.

    Aston Martin Lagonda

    asked the Secretary of State for Industry what discussions were held, and what terms were agreed, between his Department and the Alco Corporation of America to enable him to stipulate as a condition of a loan from Her Majesty's Government to Aston Martin Lagonda Ltd. that Alco must be appointed as Aston Martin's sales agent in the United States of America.

    No discussions were held between my Department and the Alco Corporation of America. The condition that the Royston Corporation, an Alco subsidiary, should be appointed as the Aston Martin Lagonda sales agent in the United States of America simply embodied Aston Martin's own proposal to this effect.

    National Finance

    European Economic Community Loans

    asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer whether loans of (a) £18 million for the extension of the natural gas distribution network in Great Britain, (b) £5 million for oil exploration and production techniques in the North Sea, and (c) £10 million for a new oil-fired power station at Peterhead, from the European Community Investment Bank, were made before 1st November 1974; and whether he will make a statement on these loans.

    No loans were made by the European Investment Bank before 1st November 1974 for the extension of the natural gas distribution network in Great Britain, or to United Kingdom Companies or institutions for oil exploration and production techniques in the North Sea. A £10·4 million loan from the European Investment Bank to the North of Scotland Hydro-Electric Board for the power station at Peterhead was signed on 30th May 1974.

    Value Added Tax

    asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer whether he will take steps to relieve "self-builders" of value added tax; and whether he will make a statement.

    Clause 3 of the autumn Finance Bill 1974 includes proposals to refund VAT on purchases made on or after 13th November 1974 by "do-it-yourself" house builders. An explanatory leaflet is available to the public from Customs and Excise local VAT offices and, for the convenience of Members, in the Vote Office.

    Northern Ireland

    Houses (Electricity Supplies)

    asked the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland how many dwellings belonging to the Housing Executive in Northern Ireland do not have a supply of electricity; and what would be the estimated average cost of bringing electricity to each house.

    The recently published housing condition survey indicated that in October 1973 approximately 1,070 Housing Executive dwellings lacked electricity. It is not possible to estimate the average cost of bringing electricity to these houses.

    asked the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland (1) in how many areas of Northern Ireland the Housing Executive requires the tenants of its houses to pay the cost of bringing electricity to their homes;(2) if he will ask the Housing Executive to change its policy regarding payment for bringing electricity to its houses.

    From 17th December 1974 the Housing Executive has borne the cost of all new work begun on installing electricity in its dwellings.Before that, the executive continued the different arrangements made by the various former housing authorities.

    asked the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland how the cost of bringing electricity to new houses built by the Housing Executive in Northern Ireland is met.

    The cost of providing electricity is paid for by the Housing Executive as part of the overall cost of building new houses.

    asked the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland if he has any plans to make available grants towards the cost of bringing electricity to and wiring rural dwellings other than farmhouses in Northern Ireland.

    The installation of electric lighting or a power supply in a dwelling for the first time may attract discretionary improvement grant under Part I of the Housing Act (Northern Ireland) 1971.

    asked the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland whether tenants who pay the cost of bringing electricity to dwellings belonging to the Northern Ireland Housing Executive will be recompensed if they leave that house; and if so who will repay them.

    Farm Incomes

    asked the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland what is the average net income from mixed farms of 50 and 100 acres, respectively, in Northern Ireland in the years ended 31st March 1930, 1931, 1940, 1950, 1960, 1970, 1974 and the estimated figure for 1975, respectively.

    Information on farm incomes is not available for the years before 1945–46. Thereafter, it is not possible to give separate figures for 50-acre and 100-acre farms. The nearest relevant information is as follows:

    Net Farm Income (including Interest on Capital) £/FarmAverage Acreage per Farm
    1945–46
    Mixed crops and livestock40576
    Mixed livestock18959
    1949–50
    Mixed crops and livestock603N.A.
    Mixed livestock426N.A.
    1959–60
    Mixed crops and livestock25077
    Mixed livestock60078
    1969–70
    Mixed1,35697
    Data for 1973–74 will not be published until March. It is too early to give a firm estimate for 1974–75.The farm accounts on which these averages are based do not all end on 31st March. Changes in accounting procedure have occurred over the years and any long-term comparison of incomes is imprecise. In addition, between 1959–60 and 1969–70 the method used to classify types of farming changed. At the same time the scope of the survey changed and it is now limited to farms with a standard labour requirement of 200 standard man days or more.

    Scotland

    Homeless Persons

    asked the Secretary of State for Scotland what is his estimate of the number of homeless persons in Scotland at the latest available date.

    On 31st December 1973 there were 337 persons in temporary accommodation provided by local authorities in Scotland. I have no reliable estimate of others who may be homeless.

    Rents

    asked the Secretary of State for Scotland what is the average length of time taken between application for, and granting of, registration of a fair rent; and if he will make a statement.

    The average time varies considerably, mainly with the rate of applications. Applications received at the end of December seem likely to be registered within about three months.

    Rivers Lossie And Spey

    asked the Secretary of State for Scotland if he will make a statement on the latest plans for the purification of the rivers Lossie and Spey.

    A draft order, the River Purification Board Areas (Scotland) Order 1975, has been prepared and is advertised today and made available for inspection, as required by the Local Government (Scotland) Act 1973. This proposes that the Rivers Lossie and Spey should be within the area of the proposed new North-East River Purification Board, previously proposed to be named the Dee, Don and Deveron River Purification Board.

    School Leaving Age

    asked the Secretary of State for Scotland if he has reached a decision about holding a review of the school leaving date arrangements; and if he will make a statement.

    In view of the representations on this matter which I have received, I have decided that a detailed examination of the present system of fixed leaving dates should be undertaken. To assist me in the review I propose to invite all interested bodies to submit to me their views on whether it is desirable to make any changes in the present arrangements and, if so, what these changes should be. I should make quite clear, however, that the review will be concerned with the actual date on which a 16-year-old pupil may leave school and not with the school leaving age itself.

    Wales

    Roads (Ruthin)

    asked the Secretary of State for Wales when he expects to publish the results of the current feasibility study of possible routes to bypass Llanfair Dyffryn Clwyd, Ruthin, Clwyd, and to indicate which of those routes he prefers.

    I assume the hon. Member is referring to a bypass of Llanbedr Dyffryn Clwyd. The report of the consulting engineers on a suitable highway pattern for the Ruthin area, including this village, is under consideration by my Office and the Clwyd County Council. Decisions will be reached as soon as possible.

    Footpath (Ruthin)

    asked the Secretary of State for Wales when the Welsh Office expects to acquire the land necessary for providing a public footpath adjacent to the A494 trunk road between Llanbedr Dyffryn Clwyd Post Office and Pentre Isa, Ruthin, Clwyd.

    Negotiations for the land required have been protracted. I have now decided to seek compulsory powers of acquisition. Action to this end is in train.

    Foreign And Commonwealth Affairs

    Anguilla

    asked the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs what formal steps Her Majesty's Government can take to meet the wishes of the Anguillan people to move towards a greater degree of devolution in accordance with undertakings given by the Government on 16th July 1971.

    Her Majesty's Government are actively considering what formal steps can be taken to provide for a greater degree of devolution in accordance with previous undertakings.

    asked the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs whether he will now take steps, in accordance with prior undertakings, to ascertain the views of the people of Anguilla about their constitutional future.

    The views of the people of Anguilla were obtained by a Special Constitutional Committee of the Anguilla Council in June of last year, and I also obtained their views when I visited the island last September.