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Volume 940: debated on Wednesday 7 December 1977

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Written Answers To Questions

Wednesday 7th December 1977

Industry

Hitachi Company

asked the Secretary of State for Industry if he will make a statement on the negotiations with Hitachi.

I met with representatives of Hitachi on 6th December, when they informed me that the company had decided not to proceed with its proposal to establish a colour television factory in Washington New Town at this time.The company explained that, in the lengthy discussions which have taken place between Hitachi and the Government, the company has made a number of important concessions of benefit to the United Kingdom. But the United Kingdom industry and trade unions have remained opposed to the proposal, despite all efforts to explain the company's intentions. Hitachi would not wish to establish a manufacturing facility in the United Kingdom unless the climate was favourable. It believed that even if the United Kingdom Government were to give immediate approval, it could not expect normal operation of the project in the United Kingdom. The company had therefore decided to take the proposal no further at this time.I told the representatives of Hitachi that I fully understand the reasons for the decision. It remains Government policy to welcome all inward investment which brings benefit to the United Kingdom, but the Government would wish in this case to take account of the views of the United Kingdom industry and trade unions with which it is seeking to develop a strategy for rationalising the electronics industry. Decisions on individual projects in this sector would need to be taken in the light of those discussions. We agreed that there would be other possibilities for future co-operation, and I made clear that the Government would welcome the opportunity to discuss these with Hitachi.I regret that this project has been deferred but emphasise that it has not been cancelled. Inward investment will continue to play an important part in strengthen ing United Kingdom industry by creating new jobs, particularly in the assisted areas.

British Shipbuilders (Polish Joint Venture)

asked the Secretary of State for Industry (1) following the approval he gave on 6th October 1977 to the formation of the joint venture company Polsko Brytyjski Przedsiewziecie Zeglugowe Sp. Z.Oo Szczecin, what proportion of the company's equity will be held by British Shipbuilders;(2) how many British directors and Polish directors there will be on the Polskso Brytyiskie Przedsiewziecie Zeglugowe Sp. Z.Oo Szczecin; and what will be their salaries.

The company is expected to be formally constituted immediately before the building contracts are finalised. The principal agreement signed by British Shipbuilders and Polska Zegluga Morska provides that:—

  • (a) the share capital will be such amount as shall be agreed between the parties to be paid in equal shares by British Shipbuilders and PZM.
  • (b) the joint venture shall be controlled by a board of directors consisting of a president and one further member nominated by British Shipbuilders and a managing director and one further member nominated by PZM.
  • The directors' salaries have not been determined.

    Palace Of Westminster (Cash Registers)

    asked the Lord President of the Council how many new cash registers were installed in the precincts of the Palace of Westminster during the Summer Adjournment; and what was their cost.

    Eleven machines were installed during the Summer Adjournment. Selection of these machines was made following competitive tendering by several manufacturers. To reveal their cost would therefore breach the confidentiality of competitive tenders and is contrary to normal Government practice.

    House Of Commons

    Refreshment Department (Staff)

    asked the Lord President of the Council what proportion of the staff of the Refreshment Department for the years 1974 to 1977 were (a) permanent and (b) temporary for each year.

    I have been asked to reply.The details are as follows:

    YearPermanent staffTemporary staff (Average per week)
    197418022
    197517824
    19762216
    1977 (present)2313

    Civil Service

    Civil Servants

    asked the Minister for the Civil Service whether he will give the basic hours of work for civil servants generally and in the Whitehall offices in particular.

    The basic weekly hours of attendance of the majority of non-industrial civil servants are 41 hours in London and 42 hours elsewhere, inclusive of one hour's paid meal break on every full working day. Most industrial civil servants have a basic working week of 40 hours, exclusive of unpaid meal breaks, wherever they are employed.

    Education And Science

    Science Research Council

    asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science what response she proposes to make to the statement of the Science Research Council that the lower budgets envisaged over the next few years will not enable it to discharge its responsibilities adequately.

    The Government have recently announced that the science budget, of which the Science Research Council is one of the recipient bodies, should be increased by £4 million in 1978–79 and that in addition there should be a special allocation of £4 million for capital work.

    asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science what is the cut in real terms in the expenditure of the Science Research Council in 1977–78 as compared with 1976–77.

    If a special addition in 1977–78 to cover the cost of higher tuition fees for postgraduate students is ignored, the Science Research Council's allocation from the science budget was approximately 3·4 per cent. lower in real terms in 1977–78 than in 1976–77.

    asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science what steps she is taking to ensure that subscriptions to international research organisations by the Science Research Council do not, in the light of the fluctuating value of the £ sterling, impair the ability of the Science Research Council to fund scientific research in the United Kingdom, bearing in mind that international subscriptions pre-empt 30 per cent. of the Science Research Council's expenditure.

    It is intended that provision in 1978–79 Estimates for subscriptions to international research organisations paid by the Science Research Council should reflect exchange rates prevailing in October 1977. Should this prove inadequate in the course of the year because of an adverse change in the rates, I would consider a case for supplementation to be considered within the ceiling of the cash limit for the science block.

    asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science what is the planned reduction in real terms in the expenditure of the Science Research Council up to 1981–82.

    The guideline for the Science Research Council up to 1981–82 recommended by the Advisory Board for the Research Councils, which I accepted, was for a decline in real terms of 1·7 per cent. per annum on the basis of the forecasts for the science budget in Cmnd. 6721. This was before the Government's decision to increase the science budget by a total of £8 million in 1978–79, and the figure of 1·7 per cent. may need to be revised when the Government provide new forecasts for the science budget in the succeeding years.

    asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science what effect the increase in student fees has had upon the cost to the Science Research Council of financing postgraduate students.

    When informing the House in November last year of the higher tuition fees recommended, I said that additional funds would be made available through the science budget to enable the research councils to meet the higher fees in respect of the students they support.—[Vol. 921, c. 188] The allocation to the Science Research Council for 1977–78 accordingly included an addition of about £3·9 million to cover the estimated cost of the increase.

    Energy Research Support Unit

    asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science what is the programme of work envisaged for 1978 and 1979 in the Energy Research Support Unit at the Rutherford Laboratory.

    I understand that three projects on energy utilisation and conservation in houses and schools and one on applications of chemical heat pump and energy storage systems at present supported by the Energy Research Support Unit are expected to continue through 1978 and 1979. In addition, the unit will assist university and polytechnic staff in preliminary technical work on new research proposals and provide the secretariat of the Science Research Council's Energy Proposals Committee.

    Further Education

    asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science what percentage of 16-year-old pupils remained at school after the minimum leaving date in the nearest available full year in England and Wales; and how this compares with the previous five years.

    In January of each year, the proportions of pupils aged 16 years remaining at schools, excluding special schools, beyond the ages of compulsory schooling were:

    per cent.
    197728·7
    197628·3
    197527·0
    197426·8
    197337·2
    197237·5
    The minimum school leaving age was raised to 16 years on 1st September 1972. The first effects of this change are shown in the figures for 1974.

    Science And Engineering (Postgraduates)

    asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science, in the light of increased numbers of students opting for science and engineering courses in higher education, what revised forward calculations her Department has made about the need for postgraduate studentships in the years 1980, 1981 and 1982.

    Postgraduate studentships in science and engineering are awarded by the research councils in their respective fields within the total resources available to them from the science budget. They will be considering future numbers of awards when preparing their plans for the next annual forward look of the Advisory Board for the Research Councils, which advises me on the distribution of the science budget. This year the councils—excluding the Social Science Research Council—indicated that they envisaged making about 4,625 new awards in science and technology in 1980, about 4,675 in 1981 and about 4,725 in 1982.

    Home Department

    Metropolitan Police And Firemen (Pay)

    asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department whether he will give the total income including all supplements and payments in kind of a Metropolitan policeman and London fireman with 20 years' service, and with the pension allowance that would be payable if both retire from their services at the present date.

    Under the regulations giving effect to the recent 10 per cent, pay increase which I shall shortly lay before the House the annual pensionable salary of a uniformed Metropolitan police constable with 20 years' service will be £4,237. In addition he will be paid a non-pensionable undermanning allowance of £72 a year. If he is not in police accommodation provided free he will receive in addition a non-pensionable rent allowance up to £1,177 a year. Police officers receive additional payment for overtime when worked and certain officers receive additional allowances.Without taking account of the 10 per cent. increase which has recently been offered from 7th November 1977 a London fireman with 20 years' service currently receives a pensionable salary of £4,019 a year. Eight hours of the fireman's 48-hour week are paid at a premium rate, included in the salary figure. Addtional payment is made for any casual overtime worked beyond 48 hours.A policeman or fireman who retired in good health after 20 years' service who was not required to do so on grounds of age would be entitled to a deferred pension coming into payment at age 60. The deferred pension would be the same proportion of pensionable pay in both schemes, if age and service were similar. A Metropolitan constable under the age 45 with average pensionable pay of £4,237 would be entitled, on completing 20 years' service, to a deferred pension of £1,883 a year. A London fireman under age 45 with average pensionable pay of £4,019 would be entitled, on completing 20 years' service, to a deferred pension of £1,786 a year.

    Firemen

    asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department, in the light of the fact that firemen's hourly earnings have fallen from 93 per cent. of average earnings in 1975 to 82·6 per cent. in 1977, what increase he estimates would be necessary to restore the position to the 1975 level.

    I refer my hon. Friend to the reply which I gave to the hon. Member for Macclesfield (Mr. Winterton) on 6th December—[Vol. 940, c. 615]—about estimates of average earnings. As I explained in the statement which I made to the House on Monday 21st November—[Vol. 939, c. 1100–2]—discussions on a formula for determining Fire Service pay in the future are a matter for the two Sides in the NJC.

    asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department to what extent firemen's average weekly earnings have dropped since 1975 compared with the average working man; and to what extent the proposed 10 per cent. increase would restore the situation.

    I refer my hon. Friend to the reply which I gave to a question by the hon. Member for Macclesfield (Mr. Winterton) on 6th December—[Vol. 940, c. 615.]—about estimates of average weekly earnings of firemen and those of all occupations in all industries and services. As to the effect of the proposed increase of 10 per cent., I refer my hon. Friend to the reply which I gave to a Question by my hon. Friend the Member for Walsall, South (Mr. George) on 18th November.—[Vol. 939, c. 374–6.]

    asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department what extra payments firemen receive for (a) Sunday duties, (b) unsocial hours, and (c) inspection of shops, garages, flats and other buildings in connection with fire-regulations.

    Unsocial hours and fire prevention duties were taken into account in the negotiation of the 1973 Fire Service pay agreement which was effective from 7th November 1973.

    asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department if he has any proposals to bring firemen into line with policemen with regard to the provision of housing or a rent allowance in lieu.

    Matters of this kind are for the National Joint Council for Local Authorities' Fire Brigades, but I understand that in general rent allowances were consolidated into pay in 1951.

    Police (Special Branch)

    asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department if he will list those general matters relating to the Special Branch on which he is prepared to answer Questions.

    I would refer the hon. Member to the information which my hon. Friend the Under-Secretary of State gave to the House about police Special Branches, when replying to an Adjournment debate on 5th May last.

    High Point Prison

    asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department if any persons convicted under the Prevention of Terrorism Act, or of arson, bombing, murder or attempted murder, have at any time been kept in detention at High Point Prison, Suffolk.

    Illegal Immigrants

    asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department how many convictions for blackmail there have been in each year since 1970 in cases where the blackmail party has been an illegal immigrant.

    Information on the victims of offences of blackmail is not collected centrally and could be obtained only at a disproportionate cost.

    Pay Policy

    asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department how many speeches he has made to trade union conferences during 1977; and in how many of those he mentioned the need for post-phase 2 policy to be based on flexibility and elbow room for negotiators.

    I spoke at two conferences. During both I dealt with the Government's desire to discuss an orderly and planned return to collective bargaining.

    Textiles (Police And Prison Uniforms)

    asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department what proportion of police uniforms in 1973, 1974, 1975, 1976 and 1977 were made from cloth which was spun, woven and finished in the United Kingdom; and what proportion in value and square yards was bought from abroad in each of these years.

    This information is not readily available, but I understand that, so far as the Metropolitan Police are concerned, the current supply of uniforms contains a very high proportion of British cloth.

    asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department what proportion of prison uniforms in 1973, 1974, 1975. 1976 and 1977, was made from cloth which was spun, woven and finished in the United Kingdom; and what proportion in value and square yards was bought from abroad in each of these years.

    Only a small proportion of the material purchased in recent years for the manufacture of prisoners' jackets and trousers was spun, woven or finished outside the United Kingdom. I regret it is not practicable to provide a more detailed analysis.

    Immigrants

    asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department how long, on average, persons were held in custody while awaiting deportation under the provisions of the Immigration Act in 1977 who were subsequently released and stayed in the United Kingdom.

    pursuant to his reply [Official Report, 6th December 1977, Vol. 940, c. 625–6], gave the following information:The average time for which people are detained under the provisions of the Immigration Act 1971 does not show the wide variation that occurs. The table below shows the distribution of time spent in Prison Department establishments in England and Wales by the 62 people released between 1st January and 30th November 1977 after being detained under the provisions of the Immigration Act 1971 relating to deportation.

    Time detained under the Immigration Act 1971 for those who were released from prison department establishments between 1st January and 30th November 1977 and allowed to stay in the United Kingdom
    Up to 1 month28
    Over 1 month up to 2 months17
    Over 2 months up to 3 months8
    Over 3 months up to 6 months8
    Over 6 months up to 9 months1
    Total62

    Tyres (Departmental Purchases)

    asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department how much was spent by his Department in tyre purchases in 1974, 1975 and 1976.

    Overseas Development

    African, Caribbean And Pacific States

    asked the Minister of Overseas Development, whether the allocation of European Development Fund funds to African. Caribbean and Pacific States, as set out in Article 2 of the Amending Agreement, Command Paper No. 6907, imposes a permanent or a temporary pattern on the balance between grants, loans, high capital and State transfers; and, if not, under what conditions and in what ways changes will be made.

    Article 42 of the Lomé Convention lays down the respective totals for loans, risk capital and the provision for Stabex transfers. These totals, together with those allotted for the overseas countries and territories—the dependencies of Community member States—in the internal financing agreement, are changed when an overseas country or territory, on becoming independent, accedes to the Convention, the first being increased and the second reduced.Where a State other than an ex-dependency of a Community member State accedes to the Convention there is a presumption that the funds made available under it will be increased, since Article 90 lays down that new accessions shall not adversely affect the advantages accruing to existing ACP signatories.

    United Nations Agencies

    asked the Minister of Overseas Development if she will list in the Official Report all those United Nations agencies concerned with aid to the Third world, stating the resources available to each agency in 1977 and the United Kingdom contribution in each case.

    United Nations International Children's Emergency Fund

    asked the Minister of Overseas Development in what way Her Majesty's Government are proposing to support the United Nations International Children's Emergency Fund special projects in Vietnam and Laos.

    UNICEF has undertaken to continue during 1977 its special programmes of assistance for reconstruction and rehabilitation in Vietnam and Laos. In Vietnam the programme includes water supply, sanitation, primary education, family welfare, health and nutrition services. In Laos the programme is for the construction and equiping of primary schools.Her Majesty's Government are about to pledge a contribution of £500,000 for Vietnam and £45,000 for Laos. Parliamentary approval to these new services will be sought in a Supplementary Estimate for the Overseas Aid Vote. Pending that approval the necessary expenditure will be met by repayable advances from the Contingencies Fund.

    Commonwealth Development Corporation

    asked the Minister of Overseas Development whether she has agreed to any further extension of the Commonwealth Development Corporation's area of operations.

    I have recently given approval for the Corporation to undertake activities in Ecuador, subject to consultation with my Department as to the scale and content of its intended investment programme in that country.

    Agriculture, Fisheries And Food

    Badgers

    asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food how many badgers have been gassed under the scheme to eradicate tuberculosis up to the end of November; and when the present programme is expected to end.

    I regret that it is not possible to estimate these matters with any accuracy, but would refer the hon. Member to the reply I gave to my hon. Friend the Member for Stockport, North (Mr. Bennett on 1st December.—[Vol. 940. c. 699–700]

    Land Drainage

    asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food what options are available from April 1978 for the raising of land drainage finance: what are the local land drainage committees in Suffolk; what have been their responses to his Department's letter of 22nd February 1977; and if he will review the area boundaries as they affect Felixstowe.

    Water authorities have the option, after 31st March 1978, of continuing to finance their land drainage expenditure through precepts on the county councils and general drainage charges, or of applying to my right hon. Friend the Minister for a water charges option order under Section 62 of the Land Drainage Act 1976 enabling them to use the water charges as their main source of land drainage revenue.Local land drainage committees are based on catchment areas which cut across administrative boundaries. Suffolk falls within the areas of the Essex, the Great Ouse, and the Norfolk and Suffolk Local Land Drainage Committees of the Anglian Water Authority. The authority has indicated, in response to the Department's letter of 22nd February 1977, and on the recommendation of its regional and local land drainage committees, that it is not its intention to apply for a water charges option order.Any necessary review of the boundaries of the Norfolk and Suffolk Local Land Drainage District, in which Felixstowe lies, would have to be initiated by the Regional Land Drainage Committee of the Water Authority. Schemes by water authorities for alteration of the boundaries of local land drainage districts must be prepared by them and submitted to the Minister for approval.

    asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food, in view of the fact that the land drainage bye-laws in force in some water authority areas are of long standing and are those of the predecessor river authorities, and in particular that those in the area of the Anglian Water Authority were implemented between 1939 and 1973, if he is satisfied that appropriate steps are in hand to ensure reasonable uniformity of application throughout England without further delay.

    Under Section 34 of the Land Drainage Act 1976 responsibility for making drainage byelaws is placed on drainage authorities. Each water authority must decide for itself what action if any should be taken to replace and standardise the byelaws of its predecessor authority. Two water authorities have already submitted new byelaws for confirmation and I am aware that most of the others, including the Anglian Water Authority, are considering the problem. I am, however, arranging to remind them all of the desirability of uniformity within their areas.

    Potato Chips

    asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food what was the quantity of fresh and frozen potato chips which were imported into the United Kingdom in each month over the past six months from other EEC countries; what quantity has been forward-contracted; and what is the break-even price per pound of United Kingdom manufactured chips and the price per pound at which the imported chips are being sold into the United Kingdom.

    Abattoirs

    asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food what is his estimate of the total capacity of those abattoirs listed in the Official Report, in reply to the hon. Member for Manchester, Withington on 29th November, columns 129–32.

    I regret that I have no information on the maximum capacity of these abattoirs. However, their combined throughput for the domestic and export markets for the year ended 31st December 1976 was 2,428,260 cattle units. One cattle unit is equivalent to one adult bovine, three calves, five sheep or two pigs. The figures do not include horses since no central record is kept of the number of horses slaughtered.

    Employment

    asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food whether he will publish such employment projections as he has received from sector working parties.

    The reports from the sector working parties of the Industrial Strategy on progress during 1977 are just coming in, but it is up to each sector working party to decide whether its report, or extracts from it, should be published.

    Cattle Exports

    asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food how many cattle for slaughter have been exported

    1ST JANUARY 1977–29TH OCTOBER 1977
    For slaughter after further atteningFor immediate slaughter
    CattleCalvesTotalCattleGrand Total
    Belgium43154,63355,0642,23857,302
    France188167,955168,14326168,169
    Holland23,55423,5541623,570
    Italy24546,36746,61246,612
    West Germany240240240
    1,104292,509293,6132,280295,893
    No calves were exported for immediate slaughter.

    Sheep Exports

    asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food how many sheep for slaughter have been exported from the United Kingdom in the period 1st January 1977 to 31st October 1977; and if he will list these by country of destination.

    The following table shows the number of sheep passed by official veterinary inspectors in the United Kingdom as fit to travel before being exported overseas for immediate slaughter or for slaughter after further fattening:

    1ST JANUARY 1977–29TH OCTOBER 1977
    For slaughter after further fatteningFor immediate slaughterTotal
    Belgium76,4381,38577,823
    France23026,75026,980
    West Germany44950,97351,422
    77,11779,108156,225

    Transport

    Euroroutes

    56.

    asked the Secretary of State for Transport if he will make representations to the EEC authorities to seek

    from the United Kingdom in the period 1st January 1977 to 31st October 1977; and if he will list these by country of destination.

    The following table shows the number of cattle and calves passed by official veterinary inspectors in the United Kingdom as fit to travel before being exported overseas for immediate slaughter or for slaughter after further fattening:direct aid from the EEC for the improvement of designated Euroroutes in development areas.

    No. But financial assistance for many local road schemes in assisted areas is being provided from the European Regional Development Fund.

    A38 (Branston-Fradley)

    asked the Secretary of State for Transport what is the estimated cost of laying and maintaining a continuous white line to mark the kerb on each side of the central reservation of the A38 between Branston and Fradley; and if he will make a statement.

    We intend to mark the nearside and offside edges of both carriageways on this stretch with broken white lines next spring. The estimated cost is £800, and annual maintenance may cost £200.

    Roads (Expenditure)

    asked the Secretary of State for Transport what are his Department's guidelines for local authorities on expenditure per 100 km. of principal roads; and what is the comparable expenditure by Norfolk County Council.

    My Department does not give guidance of the kind mentioned by the hon. Member. It is the responsibility of local authorities to decide how they apportion resources within the local transport field and to establish their own road priorities.My right hon. Friend hopes to announce shortly for each county the proposed expenditure he has accepted for TSG purposes for 1978–79. This will include an element for road maintenance and road construction.

    Cars And Motor Cycles

    asked the Secretary of State for Transport (1) how many private motor cars and motor cycles there were in the United Kingdom at the latest available date;(2) how many private motor cars and motor cycles were licensed in the last available year.

    The numbers of private motor vehicles and motor cycles licensed in the United Kingdom in 1976 were 14,373,000 and 1,235,000, respectively. There are no other estimates of the vehicle stock available at present.

    M1 (Junction Sign)

    asked the Secretary of State for Transport further to his reply of 24th November 1977, why Sutton in Ashfield is not a primary destination shown on motorway signs at junction 28 of the M1

    HOUSEHOLDS
    RegionTotalOne car Two or more cars
    (millions)(percentage)(percentage)
    Northern1·1408
    Yorkshire and Humberside1·7418
    East Midlands1·34812
    East Anglia0·65412
    Greater London2·74210
    Rest of South East3·54917
    Southwest1·55214
    West Midlands1·84612
    NorthWest2·34010
    Wales1·04811
    Scotland1·8397
    Northern Ireland0·4459
    United Kingdom19·84511

    Heavy Vehicles

    asked the Secretary of State for Transport if, pursuant to his answer to the hon. Member for Christchurch and Lymington, Official Report, 14th November, he will list the categories of

    Sutton in Ashfield is not shown on the signs because Mansfield, which is shown, is more important to drivers when planning their journeys, as it is at a junction of primary routes.

    Motorways (Lighting)

    asked the Secretary of State for Transport what is his latest estimate of the length of the M1 and M6 motorways which are fully lit; what is the programme for extending lighting along each motorway; and if he will list the main benefit intended from schemes of extensive lighting on motorways.

    Approximately 62 miles of the motorway M1 and 49·5 miles of the M6 are fully lit. There are no plans to extend the lighting on either motorway.The main benefit of lighting motorways is the reduction in the night-time accident rate. Lighting can also assist drivers in certain fog conditions.

    Motor Cars

    asked the Secretary of State for Transport what information he has on the number of one- and two-car families in each United Kingdom region; and if he will express this as a percentage of all families in each region.

    Availability of cars in terms of households, derived from surveys in 1975 and 1976, is as follows:vehicles which he includes within his definition of heavy vehicles.

    The signs being used at the M6 roadworks to stream different classes of traffic are not mandatory and there is no definition of heavy vehicles for this purpose. The aim is to separate cars from slower and more cumbersome vehicles.

    Attleborough Bypass

    asked the Secretary of State for Transport, in view of his Department's promise two months ago to expedite the announcement of the route for the Attleborough bypass on the A11 following the public consultation in December 1975 with an announcement hoped for in November, if he will indicate when he now expects to be in a position to do so.

    A590 (Meathop-Sampool Bridge)

    asked the Secretary of State for Transport what progress has been made with preparations for the commencement of work on the improvements to the A590 between Meathop and Sampool Bridge; and when he expects work to commence.

    Objections to the draft line and side roads orders are at present being considered. Subject to the satisfactory completion of the statutory procedures and to the availability of funds, it is hoped to start work on this scheme in 1979.

    Commercial vehiclesCarsConcessions
    Dartford TunnelLGV* (up to 30 cwt. unladen): 25p.25pBooks of tickets (varying numbers at 10 per cent, discount).
    HGV† (over 30 cwt. unladen with 2 axles): 40p.
    HGV (over 30 cwt. unladen with more than 2 axles): 60p.
    Dunham Bridge15p–30p according to number of wheels.10pNone.
    Mersey TunnelsGoods vehicles up to 3 tons unladen: 25p25pNone.
    Goods vehicles over 3 tons unladen: 60p.
    Middlesbrough Transporter Bridge.LGV (up to 30 cwt. unladen): 11p.5pNone.
    HGV (over 30 cwt. unladen): 30p.
    Selby Bridge4p per ton laden weight.4pMonthly (calendar) tickets at 96p. Various discounts for local users.
    Severn Bridge12p.12pBooks of 50 tickets at 10 per cent, discount.
    Tamar BridgeLGV (up to 2 tons unladen): 15p.15pBooks of 20 tickets at 50 per cent, discount.
    HGV (over 2 but not more than 7 tons unladen): 40p.
    HGV (over 7 tons unladen): 70p.
    Tyne TunnelLGV (up to 30 cwt. unladen): 15p.15pNone.
    HGV (over 30 cwt. unladen): 40p.
    * LGV—Light goods vehicle.
    † HGV—Heavy goods vehicle.
    Dunham and Selby Bridges are privately owned, the Severn Bridge is owned by the Secretary of State and the other crossings are local authority owned.

    British Transport Hotels

    asked the Secretary of State for Transport when he expects to bring forward proposals for denationalisation of British Transport Hotels.

    Tolls

    asked the Secretary of State for Transport if he will list in the Official Report the tunnels, bridges and roads in England and Wales for which tolls are charged, giving details of the charges levied and the levels of concession given to (a) commercial vehicles and (b) private vehicles.

    The information in relation to publicly-owned bridges and tunnels and also to privately-owned tolls on trunk roads, in England is set out below. There are no other publicly-owned tolls on roads in England. There are a number of privately-owned tolls on bridges, on principal and other roads, but the Department does not have comprehensive information about them. Roads, bridges and tunnels in Wales are the responsibility of my right hon. and learned Friend the Secretary of State for Wales.

    Lorry Drivers (Working Hours)

    asked the Secretary of State for Transport what effect the EEC regulations on drivers' hours will have on road haulage costs in Scotland; and if he will make a statement.

    pursuant to his reply [Official Report, 5th December 1977; Vol. 940, c. 502], gave the following information:The effect on costs cannot easily be quantified, but the staged programme of implementation of Regulation 543/69 over three years from 1st January 1978 is being negotiated with the needs of remote areas of Scotland and other parts of the United Kingdom very much in mind.

    Trade

    Textiles (Imports)

    57.

    asked the Secretary of State for Trade if he will make a statement on the import of textiles into the United Kingdom from Hong Kong.

    United Kingdom imports of textiles from Hong Kong up to the end of the year are covered by a bilateral agreement between Hong Kong and the EEC under the Multi-Fibre Arrangement. The present agreement expires on 31st December and quotas for incorporation in a new agreement have been agreed between Hong Kong and the European Commission.

    Manchester Airport

    asked the Secretary of State for Trade whether he has considered the recommendations of the Chambers of Commerce Air Transport Committee to develop Manchester Airport with a new second runway; and whether in view of its advanced ground facilities its current activity and central location, he will take steps to encourage its use as the major regional airport and to increase its use as an international airport for Continental and transatlantic flights by the building of a second runway.

    The views of all those who commented on the Government's consultation documents have been carefully considered in the preparation of a White Paper on airports policy, which it is hoped to publish early in January and which will deal with the future role of Manchester Airport. I am not, however, aware that greater use of the airport is inhibited by the lack of a second runway.

    Commodities (Common Fund)

    asked the Secretary of State for Trade what was the outcome of the latest session of the United Nations negotiating conference on a common fund.

    The second session of the United Nations negotiating conference on a common fund was held in Geneva from 7th November to 1st December. The session was suspended at the request of the developing countries—the Group of 77—one day before its scheduled end. The developed countries of Group B, in expressing their regret at this decision, made clear their readiness to continue the negotiations as soon as all groups can agree to do so.In his concluding remarks, the chairman of the conference, Ambassador Walker of Jamaica, commented that the Group of 77 did not regard the suspension as a final breakdown and recommended that preparations for a resumed session should be set urgently in hand.At the outset of the session, the developed countries collectively put forward positive proposals reflecting a substantial advance in their thinking since the first round of negotiations in March. In subsequent discussion they indicated some important areas of flexibility in their position. We believe that the Group B proposal provides a basis for a satisfactory consensus reflecting the major concerns of all participants: and we hope that the Group of 77 will be prepared to resume negotiations in this spirit, recognising that compromise will be necessary in order to achieve a successful outcome. In the meantime, we for our part will work with our partners in the European Community and in Group B as a whole for a resumption of negotiations at the earliest possible date.I am placing in the Library of the House copies of:

  • (a) proposals circulated at the outset of the recent session by Group B and by the Group of 77, respectively;
  • (b) statements delivered in plenary on 7th, 8th and 18th November on behalf of each of these groups; and
  • (c) separate statements delivered in the final plenary on behalf of Norway, Sweden, Finland, Austria, Turkey, the Netherlands and Denmark.
  • Following are the texts of the statements delivered in the final plenary meeting on behalf of the Group of 77 and Group B, respectively.

    GROUP OF 77 STATEMENT

    On behalf of the Group of 77, I would like to thank you for convening this plenary meeting at our request. You will recall that yesterday I informed you of the unanimous decision taken by the Group of 77 to call for a suspension of this Session of the Conference, and requested you to convey this to the other Groups and China. I take the floor now to move a formal proposal to this effect. The Group of 77 has been compelled to take this serious step, after the most careful consideration, because of the unwillingness of some developed countries to agree to even the fundamental aspects of a Common Fund consistent with the objectives of the integrated programme for commodities.

    Throughout this Conference, we have demonstrated our determination to explore every possible avenue in the search for a basis on which meaningful negotiations could commence. Aware of the wide gap between the positions of the different Groups, the Group of 77 identified certain fundamental aspects which we felt should be agreed upon so that further negotiations could proceed within a clearly established network. This proposal by the Group of 77 was accepted by all Groups, and the discussions in the Committee of the whole were structured with this purpose in mind. When the Debates in the Committee of the whole did not produce any progress on these fundamental aspects, we made a statement in plenary at the mid-point of this Session of the Conference voicing our grave disquiet over these developments. A further attempt was made in the framework of the extended bureau under your Chairmanship which lasted for another week. When this failed to move positions any closer, the Group of 77 agreed to enter into yet another round of informal consultations at the request of Group B. The result, after four intensive Sessions, is well known to all of us. In all these attempts, Mr. President, we recognised your own untiring and laudable efforts, and would like to take this occasion to thank you for them.

    The proceedings so far have led us to the unavoidable conclusion that the main obstacle is not technical but political. It stems from the unwillingness of certain developed countries to agree to even the fundamental aspects of a Common Fund which would make it a key instrument of the integrated programme for commodities. This attitude is indeed in clear contradiction to the commitments made by some of these countries themselves at CIEC in Paris. These commitments explicitly provided for a Common Fund as a new entity capable of serving as a key instrument in achieving the agreed objectives of the integrated programme for commodities. They certainly could not imply a passive and residual arrangement, severely limited in its scope, intended to facilitate the financing of buffer stocks only, and completely dependent for its resources on deposits by ICAS, as contained in the present Group B proposal.

    We therefore believe that it is utterly futile to continue until all the developed countries take the necessary policy decisions in fulfilment of their commitments.

    Mr. President, the Group of 77 remains committed to the establishment of a Common Fund that will constitute the central and integrating element providing operational strength to the integrated programme for commodities and at the same time express the global solidarity of all countries, developed and developing, producers and consumers, in finding comprehensive solutions to the problems of a wide range of commodities of particular importance to developing countries. The Group of 77 remains ready and willing to negotiate if and when the attitude of the developed countries is such as to inspire confidence that the negotiations will lead to a successful outcome.

    Mr. President, permit me finally to extend once more our deepest appreciation to China and all other countries which have been consistent in their support for the position of the Group of 77.

    GROUP B STATEMENT

    The distinguished Ambassador of Yugoslavia has just made an important statement, on behalf of the Group of 77, to which we have all, I am sure, listened carefully.

    In the name of the Group of 77 Ambassador Lalovic has requested that this session of the Conference be suspended.

    Group B accedes to that request, but it does so with regret.

    With regret, Mr. Chairman, on three main grounds:

    Firstly, because for the moment the opportunity of making a major step forward in these negotiations for the establishment of the Common Fund has been lost:

    Secondly, because all countries regard these negotiations as of prime importance in the implementation of the IPC: and

    Thirdly, because we came to this Conference determined to honour the commitment, given at the CIEC in Paris in June of this year, to establish a Common Fund to serve as a key instrument in attaining the agreed objectives of the IPC as embodied in UNCTAD Resolution 93(IV).

    At the outset of this Session of the Conference Group B tabled a positive and constructive proposal for a Common Fund in keeping with that commitment given in Paris.

    We explained, Mr. Chairman, that our proposal contains two new and key elements. First it has, as a central feature, a major new commitment by Group B governments—and that is a readines in our capacity as members of ICAS to place at the disposal of those agreements part of our borrowing capability.

    Second, we have proposed that we should reach agreement in the context of these negotiations on the Common Fund on the joint responsibilities of producers and consumers for the financing of buffer stocks within the framework of ICAS.

    Our statements in the Plenary Session of this Conference, the Committee of the whole and what we have said in less formal negotiating groups have shown clearly our flexibility on many issues.

    It has been suggested, Mr. Chairman, that nothing has been achieved in our work together over the last few weeks. We do not share that view. My own contracts, formal and informal, with our negotiating partners in other groups, have encouraged me to believe that some real progress has been made towards closer mutual understanding. I submit that the importance of the proposal we made at the outset is reflected in the degree of agreement which has emerged so far.

    First, I believe that we have all come increasingly to recognise that the elements of any consensus on the substance of the Fund must be interdependent—they will stand or fall together as part of a package which must involve movement on all sides. Second, we have made a start in identifying the elements which could form part of such a package. A satisfactory settlement on the financial structure of the Fund, and on the issue of other measures, is clearly fundamental. But in addition I think we are already agreed that:

  • (a) A commitment on the joint responsibility of producers and consumers for buffer stock financing in the ICAS is a key element in our thinking—and we for our part have made clear that any such commitment would be directly linked to our own proposal for a Fund based on ICAS:
  • (b) The Fund will, require substantial cash deposits (which we have proposed should be from ICAS) as the basis for its operations:
  • (c) The Fund should have the capability for substantial borrowing on the market, consistent with the fundamental viability both of the ICAS and of the Common Fund itself.
  • In identifying these elements of potential consensus, we in no way desire to ignore or gloss over the issues on which there remain major differences between us. It would not I believe be helpful, Mr. Chairman—nor would it contribute towards the resumption of productive negotiations—to repeat here in detail what has already been said in negotiation on behalf of Group B on these key issues. But I would like to make two general comments. On other measures, we have consistently said that our minds are not closed: and we have made clear that we would be prepared to consider a rôle for the Fund in this area providing we can agree together on its broad overall objectives and modalities. Concerning Government contributions, we are all agreed that the Fund will in one way or another receive substantial financial support from Governments: the issue is the channel through which that support should come—and whether the prime responsibility for buffer stock financing should rest, as Group B firmly believe, on the producing and consuming countries concerned.

    It has always been our belief, Mr. Chairman, that these differences can only be resolved through negotiations. We had hoped to build in the present negotiating Session on the elements of consensus to which I have referred, and so to provide an agreed text which would have been a stimulus and a framewrk for our future work. We regret that this has not been possible.

    It is no secret, Mr. Chairman, that there is a range of views within Group B, including views closely aligned to those of the Group of 77. Nothing I have said today in any way prejudices existing national positions, which are on public record. But we all recognise the need to achieve consensus within Groups as well as between groups: and that such consensus is essential for the creation of an effective Common Fund.

    Group B, for its part, Mr. Chairman, has always been ready and willing to negotiate. All our Governments will need a period for reflection in the light of the position taken up in the course of our work at this Session. But for our part, Group B remains ready to continue these negotiations as soon as all groups can agree to do so. And we assure you, Mr. Chairman, that in the meantime we shall press work ahead within our Group on the outstanding issues before us in this Conference. We all recognise the importance in the broader context of the north-south dialogue of our common efforts to establish a viable organisation able to play a useful rôle in international commodity trade.

    Finally, Mr. Chairman, I would like to express to you personally my thanks—and those of Group B as a whole—for the efforts which you have made, especially during the last few days, to try to ensure that there would be a fruitful outcome to this Session. Moreover, Mr. Chairman, as most people here know already, you will shortly be leaving Geneva to return to your own country to assume an important financial post. You will take with you our very best wishes for your success in that new assignment.

    Motor Vehicle Components

    asked the Secretary of State for Trade if he will publish figures, as at the latest available date, showing the value of motor vehicle components exported this year to Japan.

    pursuant to his reply [Official Report, 6th December 1977] gave the following information:

    In the 10 months to October 1977, United Kingdom exports of motor vehicle components* to Japan were valued at£4·8 million (f.o.b.).

    * Mainly SITC(R) Codes 732.89 (part) plus 711.5 (part)

    Employment

    asked the Secretary of State for Trade whether he will publish such employment projections as he has received from sector working parties.

    I have been asked to reply.The reports from the sector working parties of the industrial strategy on progress during 1977 are just coming in, but it is up to each sector working party to decide whether its report, or extracts from it, should be published.

    Prices And Consumer Protection

    Price Movements

    asked the Secretary of State for Prices and Consumer Protection, in making forecasts of likely future movements in the retail price index, what relative weightings he gives, respectively, to rises in income, movements in commodity prices, changes in the exchange rate of the pound sterling, changes in the minimum lending rate and any other factors.

    I have been asked to reply.Forecasts of the retail price index take account of the factors mentioned, as well as many others, but these are not all mutually exclusive nor are they independent of each other. Precise figures therefore depend on the circumstances, but of the factors mentioned changes in wages and salaries would generally have a much larger effect on prices than changes in commodity prices, exchange rates or interest rates.

    Consumer Advice Centres

    asked the Secretary of State for Prices and Consumer Protection when he intends to send out to local authorities and other organisations the circular inviting applications for new capital grants to aid the running of consumer advice centres; and whether he will list the other organisations to which the circular will be sent.

    I hope to be able to give a full reply to my hon. Friend very shortly.

    asked the Secretary of State for Prices and Consumer Protection what are the running costs of advice centres as a percentage of total consumer expenditure; and what is the cost per person in Great Britain.

    Our 100 per cent. grant aid to all consumer advice centres in Great Britain this year is equal to rather less than 0·005 per cent. of total consumer expenditure in 1976–77. Expressed as a cost per person in Great Britain, the grant aid represents one halfpenny per month.

    Energy

    Uranium

    asked the Secretary of State for Energy to what extent the uranium/thorium cycle carries a proliferation risk.

    There is little practical experience of this fuel cycle; but it involves the production and use of Uranium-233, which could be used to manufacture nuclear weapons.

    Coal (Reserves)

    asked the Secretary of State for energy what is the amount of South Wales's known reserves of coal suitable for electricity generating stations.

    I have asked the Chairman of the National Coal Board to write to the hon. Member directly on this matter.

    Employment

    asked the Secretary of State for Energy whether he will publish such employment projections as he has received from sector working parties.

    I have been asked to reply.The reports from the sector working parties of the Industrial Strategy on progress during 1977 are just coming in, but it is up to each sector working party to decide whether its report, or extracts from it, should be published.

    Industry

    British Steel Corporation

    asked the Secretary of State for Industry what will be the effect of action taken under Article 61 of the European Coal and Steel Community Treaty upon the operations of the British Steel Corporation.

    This action can be beneficial since it may help to bring greater stability to the European steel market.

    Steel

    asked the Secretary of State for Industry what estimate he has made of the benefit to Scotish steelworks of the Polish ship order.

    The location in which steel is produced to meet particular orders is a matter for the British Steel Corporation. The order will be of great benefit to the Corporation.

    asked the Secretary of State for Industry if he will set out in separate lists the percentage of total products manufactured in England, Wales and Scotland, showing separately figures for billets, medium plate, boiler plates, structural beams, reinforced steel, hot rolled strip and hot rolled coil.

    asked the Secretary of State for Industry (1) what percentage of the total output of special steels are produced by the private sector in the United Kingdom;(2) what percentage of the total output of stainless steel is produced by the private sector in the United Kingdom.

    The information is as follows:

    Special steel (tool steel, High speed steel and stainless steel bar)95%*
    Stainless steel (flat products)40%*
    * estimated.
    Source: British Independent Steel Producers Association.

    Hs748 Aircraft

    asked the Secretary of State for Industry how many HS748 aircraft have been produced and exported, respectively; and what efforts are currently being made to extend the sales of the HS748 Coastguarder abroad.

    A total of 313 HS748 aircraft have been produced to date, of which 264 have been exported. British Aerospace is making vigorous efforts to sell the Coastguarder version world wide, and Her Majesty's Government are providing all necessary assistance.

    Timber Trades

    asked the Secretary of State for Industry if he is able to estimate the amount of cash aid given from Government funds to the timber-using industry in each region of the United Kingdom; what are the largest pulp mill and timber-board projects supported by Government funds in the last five years.

    The tables below give details of selective financial assistance offered under Sections 7 and 8 of the Industry Act 1972 to the timber and furniture industries, as defined in Order XVII of the Standard Industrial Classification, and to the pulp, paper and converting industries, included in Order XVIII.Detailed information on the amount of regional development grants and other forms of assistance to industry—for example, for research—is not available in the form requested, and a disproportionate cost and staff effort would be required to extract and analyse all payments. Details of regional development grants paid, broken down by groups of qualifying activities and by areas, are published each year in the annual report on the Industry Act 1972.The only offer of assistance for a wood pulp mill project within the last five years has been to St. Anne's Board Mill Company Ltd. at Bristol. Loans amounting to £1·3 million were advanced to Scottish Timber Products Ltd. to help set up a chipboard plant at Cowie, near Stirling, within the same period.

    ASSISTANCE UNDER THE INDUSTRY ACT 1972 FROM THE START OF THE ACT BY FINANCIAL YEAR AND REGION
    (a) SECTION 7 ASSISTANCE OFFERED

    £'000

    To the Timber and Furniture Industries

    Year

    1972–73

    1973–74

    1974–75

    1975–76

    1976–77

    Region

    Number of projects

    Value of offers

    Number of projects

    Value of offers

    Number of projects

    Value of offers

    Number of projects

    Value of offers

    Number of projects

    Value of offers

    Scotland27053371815389466
    Wales22781676714377572
    Northern510914396512483717200
    North-West5179111,1209621383
    Yorkshire and Humberside14581529229811311197
    South-West124224415712
    East Midlands127318132563
    West Midlands124
    Total1025142978431,76739810541,607
    (b) SECTION 8 ASSISTANCE OFFERED IN THE SAME REPIOD

    To the Timber and Furniture Industries

    1 offer of £300,000 made to a firm in the West Midlands region in 1976–77

    ASSISTANCE UNDER THE INDUSTRY ACT 1972 FROM THE START OF THE ACT BY FINANCIAL YEAR AND REGION
    (a) SECTION 7 ASSISTANCE OFFERED £'000

    To the Pulp, Paper and Converting Industries

    Year

    1972–73

    1973–74

    1974–75

    1975–76

    1976–77

    Region

    Number of projects

    Value of offers

    Number of projects

    Value of offers

    Number of projects

    Value of offers

    Number of projects

    Value of offers

    Number of projects

    Value of offers

    Scotland213533734357102,235
    Wales11527531343602104
    Northern12734925271387251
    North-West675012597714614748
    Yorkshire and Humberside22004166340583
    South-West
    East Midlands1151131133013
    West Midlands
    Total332201,522251,32327771393,424

    (b) SECTION 8 ASSISTANCE OFFERED IN THE SAME PERIOD

    To the Pulp, Paper and Converting Industries

    No assistance offered in 1972–73, 1973–74 or 1974–75
    No assistance offered to firms in East Midlands and West Midlands

    1975–76

    1976–77

    Number of projects

    Value of offers

    Number of projects

    Value of offers

    Scotland41,117
    Wales1122
    Northern11,376
    North-West1822545
    Yorkshire and Humberside2193
    South-West31,826
    Eastern1971174
    London and South-East61,960
    Total2179207,313

    Paper

    asked the Secretary of State for Industry how many grants have been made under the paper and board industry scheme for schemes involving the use of waste paper, indigenous timber and other indigenous fibres, respectively.

    I refer the hon. Member to the reply given on 5th December to the hon. Member for Gravesend (Mr. Ovenden.—[Vol. 940, c. 565–6.]

    Employment

    asked the Secretary of State for Industry whether he will publish such employment projections as he has received from sector working parties.

    I have been asked to reply.The reports from the sector working parties of the Industrial Strategy on progress during 1977 are just coming in, but it is up to each sector working party to decide whether its report, or extracts from it, should be published.

    Defence

    Aircraft

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence, further to his answer to the hon. Member for Macclesfield (Mr. Winterton) of 23rd November 1977, that one of the factors in deciding that the Coastguarder aircraft would be no cheaper than the Nimrod per square mile of sea searched on fishery protection duties, why it was necessary to purchase new Coastguarders; whether the Coast-guarder is basically an HS748 aircraft as is the Andover; how many Andovers are stored out of use by the Royal Air Force; what are the crew sizes for a Nimrod and a Coastguarder; and what are the hourly operating costs for a Nimrod and an Andover.

    The prototype Coast-guarder, which was introduced into the civil inventory this year, is a version of the HS748, optimised for the offshore surveillance role. Like other versions of the HS748, the Coastguarder design is derived from the same basic airframe as the much older Andover C-1. They are, however, very different types of aircraft and one cannot be converted into the other. In particular, the Andover is a heavier aircraft and can carry less fuel, so that its endurance—a very significant point in the offshore rôle—is only about half that of the Coastguarder. As for numbers of Ministry of Defence Andovers, I have nothing to add to my Answer of 29th November to the hon. Member—[Vol. 940, c. 183–4.] The crew of a RAF Nimrod is normally 12; that of the Coastguarder would depend on the use which was being made of the aircraft. On the question of hourly operating costs, as I explained to the hon. Member for Macclesfield on 23rd November—[Vol. 939, c. 812–3]—these are not an adequate basis for comparative costings for operations of this kind.

    Pensions

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence (1) pursuant to circular letter OE 72(SP)/SGN/10/77/3800, why the method of payment of Royal Navy and RAF pensions is being changed;(2) why it will not be possible for future Royal Navy and RAF pension vouchers to be made payable to a post office;(3) what arrangements are being made for Royal Navy and RAF pensioners who do not have bank or building society accounts;(4) what will be the estimated saving in money and manpower of the proposed change in payment of Royal Navy and RAF pensions.(5) what arrangements are currently in force for the payment of Army pensioners; and whether it is proposed to change these.

    The pensions of Royal Navy ratings, Army soldiers and Royal Air Force airmen have traditionally been paid weekly in advance by means of pensions orders cashable at a nominated post office. However, this method is costly, requires more staff and is more open to fraud than payment through a bank by the Paymaster General's Office, the method already employed for all officers' pensions and public servants generally. Many more people now have a bank, building society or Giro account. My Department is therefore inviting existing Royal Navy and Royal Air Force weekly paid pensioners to accept payment of their pensions monthly in arrears, by credit transfer to their bank or similar account.Where the pensioner has no account of his own, payment can be made in the form of a crossed payable order or voucher—which is similar to a cheque—which can then be cashed through the account of someone else, for example, a relative. Alternatively, the circular letter to which the hon. Member refers makes clear that any pensioner for whom monthly payment would cause hardship, or who has personal reasons for wishing to receive his pension by weekly pension order at the post office, may continue to do so.A similar drive was made in the Army about two and a half years ago and -met with a good response. As a result, over half of Army soldier pensioners now receive their pensions monthly, though, as in the case of existing Royal Navy and Royal Air Force pensioners, they retain the option to continue with weekly payments if they so desire. There are no plans to change these arrangements.It is hoped that about 70 per cent. of existing Royal Navy and Royal Air Force pensioners and most new pensioners will agree to monthly payments through a bank or similar account by the Paymaster General's Office. It is estimated that this measure will save the Ministry of Defence 33 staff, post office charges and other expenses, costing £300,000 a year. After allowing for increases in staff and postage costs in the Paymaster General's Office, the net saving to Her Majesty's Government is estimated at £160,000 a year.

    Greenwich Naval Hospital

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence (1) when the Greenwich Naval Hospital pension ceased to be paid;(2) how much money was in the Greenwich Hospital fund when that institution ceased to function;(3) what was the effect on naval pensions when the Greenwich Hospital pension ceased to be paid.

    Greenwich Hospital continues to function and pays certain pensions to needy former Royal Navy ratings and Royal Marines, on a charitable basis. Receipt of a Greenwich Hospital pension does not affect entitlement to a naval pension.If the hon. Member requires further information on Greenwich Hospital or has any particular case in mind, he may care to write to me or to the Director of Greenwich Hospital, 13 Devonshire Square, London, EC2M 4TQ about it.

    Naval Pensioners

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence what arrangements are now made for taking care of elderly naval pensioners.

    Elderly naval pensioners receive index-linked pensions from the Armed Forces Pensions Scheme. They are also eligible for the State retirement pension and the wide range of social security and social service benefits administered by the Department of Health and Social Security and local authorities.There are a number of Service charitable organisations who help ex-Service men in need. Naval pensioners may, for example, seek assistance from the Royal British Legion, the Forces Help Society and the Soldiers, Sailors and Airmen's Families Association. Specifically naval charities include the Greenwich Hospital and the Royal Naval Benevolent Trust. The latter maintains a residential home.

    Social Services

    St Andrew's Mental Hospital, Northampton

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services how much the National Health Service contributes to private medical care in Northampton at St. Andrew's private mental hospital; and if he will make a statement on the necessity for this.

    The Northamptonshire Area Health Authority has a contractual arrangement to maintain up to 50 inpatients at St. Andrew's Hospital. The current charge at the hospital is £82·81 per in-patient week. Most of the National Health Service patients at the hospital are long-stay, and the AHA has had medical notice that it would be undesirable to remove them. The AHA considers that the contractual beds at St. Andrew's makes an essential contribution to the facilities for NHS treatment of the mentally ill.

    Unemployed Persons

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services what would be the extra net cost of raising unemployment benefit to the same level as invalidity pension after the first six months of unemployment and paying it at this level so long as unemployment lasts; how many extra people would be covered by making the benefit open-ended; and what would be the effect of these measures on the number of unemployed claiming supplementary benefit.

    The postulated changes would cost an estimated £100 million net for 1977–78. About 210,000 persons currently in receipt of unemployment benefit would receive an increase in benefit, and a further 320,000, who would otherwise have exhausted their entitlement to unemployment benefit, would continue to

    Region197519761977
    (£000)(£000)(£000)
    Northern9951,3851,447
    Yorkshire and Humberside1,2101,9422,003
    East Midlands and East Anglia1,1651,7061,772
    London. North1,7392,3202,395
    London, South1,5252,0192,290
    London, West1,3291,9201,961
    South-West1,20217211,941
    West Midlands1,9162,5042,558
    North-West (Manchester)1,3891,6581,492
    North-West (Merseyside)1,2241,5631,469
    Wales9941,3991,554
    Scotland2,4923,8864,953
    Northern Ireland387340960
    United Kingdom Total17,56724,36326,795

    Personal Allowances

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services what is the increase in net spending power on the same basis as figures published in reply to the hon. Member for Norfolk, North, Official Report, 22nd November 1977, column 683, of a man with a wife and two children when his wage is increased from £75 per week by (a) 10 per cent. and (b) 15 per cent.; and if he will compare this with the net weekly spending power of a similar family when unemployed (a) when in receipt of tax refunds, and (b) when all tax refunds have been repaid.

    receive it. The number of unemployed persons who would be taken off supplementary benefit is estimated to be of the order of 400,000. The changes would not, of course, benefit those persons who are unable to meet the contribution conditions for unemployment benefit, nor those who would have a continuing entitlement to supplementary benefit.

    Special Needs Payments

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services what was the value of special needs payments in each region of the United Kingdom in each of the past three years.

    The information is given below. The figures for 1975 and 1976 relate for Great Britain regions to periods of 12 months ending on 2nd December 1975 and 30th November 1976, and for Northern Ireland to the calendar years. For 1977 the figures relate to a period of 11 months ending in November.

    Health Authorities (Staffs)

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services if he will give the total of staff engaged by the regional health authorities, area health authorities and districts in England and the annual cost of salaries.

    At 30th September 1976 a total of 737,815 whole-time equivalent staff were employed by health authorities and boards of governors in England, at a salary cost in 1976–77 of some £2,673 million. These figures are provisional. They exclude agency staff, locums, clinical assistants and independent practitioners, but include staff of the Dental Estimates Board and Prescription Pricing Authority.

    North Thames Regional Health Authority

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services what were the total funds made available to the North Thames Regional Health Authority for 1976–77; and what was the apportionment of those funds between London and the shire counties.

    The information is as follows:

    North-West Thames RegionFinal Revenue AllocationActual Capital Expenditure*
    £000s£000s
    5 London area health authorities217,40312,598
    2 Shire area health authorities78,3444,390
    Regional expenditure10,1301,542
    Total for region305,87718,530
    * Capital expenditure figures are influenced by spending on large hospital building schemes in progress during 1976–77.

    Pensionable Age

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services what would be the cost of reducing the age at which men become entitled to State retirement pension to 64 years; and by how much national insurance contributions would have to be increased to cover the cost.

    On the assumption that the pattern of retirement amongst men aged 64 to 69 would be the same as it is now amongst men aged 65 to 70, the additional annual cost to the National Insurance Fund of a reduction in men's pensionable age to 64 is estimated to be about £370 million, at current contribution and benefit rates. The increase in contributions necessary to cover this cost would be ½ per cent. of the relevant earnings on which contributions are payable.

    Tyres (Departmental Purchases)

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services, if, in the light of the Government decision to buy British textiles, he will instruct his Department to purchase only tyres containing British-made tyre cord.

    The contractual arrangements to meet my Department's requirements for tyres for invalid road vehicles are generally made by the Ministry of Defence. So far as inflatable wheelchair tyres are concerned, unfortunately virtually all of my Department's requirements have to be imported because British manufacturers no longer produce the sizes required. Our needs for these tyres are relatively so small that it would be impracticable to make the stipulation suggested by my hon. Friend.

    Pharmacists (Pay)

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services if his negotiations on pharmaceutical payments include an item for trade discounts as one of the factors within the income of pharmacists.

    Ear, Nose And Throat Treatment

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services (1) if the number of ENT specialists in Gloucestershire per 1,000 persons differs markedly from other areas of the United Kingdom;(2) if he keeps statistics which show the number of ENT specialists there are by county in England and Wales.

    Statistics on senior medical staff kept by my Department are by National Health Service employing authority; that is, by area in the case of teaching areas and by region otherwise. Statistics for Gloucestershire are thus not available. In the South-Western Region, which includes Gloucestershire, at 30th September 1976 there were 0·67 consultants in the speciality of ear, nose and throat per 100,000 people. This figure is equal to the average for England and Wales.

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services (1) what is the present estimated average waiting time for patients seeking non-urgent ENT treatment at hospitals in England and Wales;(2) what is the average size of waiting list for treatment at ENT sections of hospitals in England and Wales.

    I regret the information is not available in the form requested. The total of all cases reported on ENT waiting lists at 31st March 1977 was, however, 100,057, of which 2,488 had been waiting for urgent treatment for over one month and 25,001 had been waiting for non-urgent treatment for over one year.

    Fraud

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services whether he will make a further statement about the measures being taken by the Government to deal with social security fraud.

    I welcome this opportunity to make a further statement.The problem of social security fraud needs to be kept in perspective. Our comprehensive social security system now processes about 25 million new claims and pays out nearly £13,000 million in benefits each year. It makes 21 million payments each week, going to 14 million families and single people. Payments of pensions and child benefit account for about three quarters of these payments.In a system operating on this vast scale the processes of claiming and payment must be geared to the needs of the overwhelming majority of beneficiaries, who are entirely honest. We already have problems of take-up, with many people failing to claim benefits to which they are entitled. We identified a figure of £2·6 million as the amount lost through fraud in 1975–76—about 1½p in every £50 we paid. But, according to an estimate by the Supplementary Benefits Commission, the amount of unclaimed supplementary benefit is perhaps 100 times greater than this. Though we cannot measure how much fraud may go undetected, there is no evidence at all that it accounts for more than a tiny fraction of the money we pay, and I will not countenance oppressive procedures which would hinder genuine and needy people from getting the benefits to which they are fully entitled.Nevertheless, this Government have always accepted that proper preventive measures and counter-measures must be taken against the fraud which does arise. In July 1976 my right hon. Friend asked me to review the adequacy of our measures, and in previous statements I have outlined the action plan on which my officials, in close collaboration with those of my right hon. Friend the Secre- tary of State for Employment, have been working. In reply to my hon. Friend the Member for Oldham, East (Mr. Lamond) on 17th February 1977 I said that we were giving high priority to the completion of the first phase of these studies and intended to implement measures arising from them as quickly as we could.I have now received a report on these matters from officials, and, in view of the general interest about this important subject and this Administration's policy of more open government, I am taking the unusual step of placing a copy of this report in the Library of the House. The report records, among other developments:

  • (a) a substantial redeployment of local office staff to tackle fraud, from some 600 man-years—including part-time duties—in September 1975 to about 900 by April 1977. There has also been an increase of about 65 in the number of fraud specialists based at our regional offices, and of 25 at Headquarters;
  • (b) a complete revision of our training arrangements for fraud specialists, with the introduction both of a programmed learning booklet and a centralised course, using closed-circuit television, on the techniques of interviewing;
  • (c) the preparation of new and better guidance for our investigators;
  • (d) studies of comparative performance in investigating and prosecuting fraud, so that regions of my Department and the Department of Employment have managed, by a combination of better quality investigation and a more positive approach, to increase the proportion of suspected fraud cases which are prosecuted—from less than 30 per cent. in 1970 to more than 42 per cent. in 1976;
  • (e) more vigorous measures now being taken to recover compensation through the courts from claimants who have gained by fraud;
  • (f) some major successes against organised criminals who attempt, whether by theft, forgery or trafficking, to exploit our payment system; during 1976, 70 such criminals were tried and all were convicted, with sentences of up to seven years' imprisonment;
  • (g) the full involvement of line-management in the fight against fraud, and general agreement on the most effective organisational arrangements for tackling fraud.
  • The report shows that, as a result of these developments, the number of prosecutions for social security offences has continued to grow rapidly. It doubled between 1970 and 1975—from 7,700 to 15,400; increased by a further quarter in 1976 to 19,063; and on the first nine months' figures for 1977 is likely to grow by another 30 per cent. to about 24,500. This increase has not been achieved by indiscriminate methods: the two Departments still gain convictions in some 98 per cent. of the cases they prosecute. I am also satisfied that the increase stems from our more vigorous approach rather than from an increase in the amount of underlying fraud.

    However, my main objective remains to prevent fraud rather than prosecute ever-increasing numbers of offenders. I accept that as a short-term response we must identify and prosecute fraud, but higher figures of prosecutions are not an end in themselves. I have, therefore, insisted that still more emphasis must be given to using the knowledge we gain about fraud to prevent or reduce the opportunities for similar frauds in the future. The report records a great deal of effort to this end. During the past year we have:

    (h) issued to all our local offices a "fraud awareness" package which, by visual aids and examples, illustrates the main kinds of fraud used to exploit the social security scheme; this package has been used as the basis of a widespread training programme which has been very well received by benefit staff;
    (i) introduced selective improvements into our payments system which, while not unduly inconveniencing genuine claimants, should make social security fraud more difficult. Measures have included the redesign of order books and Girocheques to include additional safeguards, better arrangements for the physical security of order books and Girocheques, a better flow of information to enable management to identify and respond to problem areas, and selective improvements in payment procedures where a positive risk of fraud has been identified.

    In previous statements I have stressed the Government's determination to tackle the problem of the collusive employer who, in order to avoid his own social security contributions and, perhaps, pay sub-market wage rates, employs and enables social security claimants to work "on the side". The report discusses this problem in detail, and after suggesting some useful administrative improvements and experimental schemes which can be launched immediately—and which, I hope, will have an impact on the problem—goes on to discuss more fundamental measures which would need legislation. Among these possibilities are a new offence directed specifically at the collusive employer and greater rights of recovery of overpayment of social security benefit from such collusive employers. I will carefully consider these proposals, and any strengthening of the powers of our investigators that may be needed to reinforce them. But before deciding on them I shall be glad to consider any comments hon. Members or others may care to make.

    My right hon. Friend and I do not intend to relax our Department's attack on social security fraud, and I am making the report available to make clear the effort we are putting into this. I would like to take this opportunity to express my thanks to the staff of the Department who have responded so efficiently to my request for better anti-fraud measures. While benefit staff have played their part by their alertness to fraud risks, particular credit must go to the specialist staff, in local and regional offices, who have borne the brunt of the great increase in investigative work.

    The report is a record of solid achievement, and it makes clear that we have acted throughout with a proper concern for the interests of the vast majority of honest claimants.

    I hope that its publication will help to keep this matter in proper perspective, as the Government has sought to do.

    Unemployment Benefit

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services if he will make a statement on the progress of the experimental scheme to pay unemployment benefit fortnightly rather than weekly.

    I have been asked to reply.Experimental arrangements for claiming and paying unemployment benefit fortnightly began on 5th September. Reports and records of the trials for the three months ending 2nd December are now being evaluated and will form the basis of a report which will be made available before any decision is taken about the extension of the arrangements.

    Cigarettes

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services what is the contribution of the inclusion of substitute material in cigarettes to the Government's objective of reducing the health risks from smoking; and if he will make a statement.

    I welcome this opportunity of clarifying a subject which has attracted much attention.Our first objective is to discourage people from starting to smoke, and to encourage those who already smoke to give up. But it is also an important part of the Government's strategy to encourage and initiate measures to make smoking less dangerous for those who are unable to give up the habit of cigarette smoking. One such measure has been to encourage the industry to conduct research into and to develop substitute material for use in cigarettes, and I readily acknowledge its willing response to this encouragement and its substantial investment in this work.Before cigarettes containing substitute material were first marketed in July this year manufacturers had submitted to the Independent Scientific Committee on Smoking and Health detailed results of laboratory tests, including tests on animals, in respect of two substitute materials. The committee was able, in the light of the evidence presented to it to conclude that cigarettes containing the tobacco substitutes were no more damaging to health than a similar product containing tobacco only, and could prove to be less injurious; and was able to accept submissions for the marketing of certain brands of cigarette containing specified quantities of the substitute materials. Its decisions were made subject to a general condition that long-term epidemiological studies should be mounted in order to confirm the existing evidence based on laboratory tests and to monitor the widespread use by humans of cigarettes containing substitutes. Plans to mount these studies were later prepared and are currently being modified for submission to the committee.I fully accept the findings of the committee. I regard it as important for the success of this aspect of the Government's policy on smoking and health that there should be a substitute material which is known to be capable of reducing risks to health. I hope that the human studies now in hand will lead to this conclusion, and I hope also that the industry will continue with its research and development work in order to achieve a sub- stitute material which will offer even greater health advantages. These are developments which the Government would very much welcome, so that substitutes can take their place with other health measures, such as reduction of tar yields, as part of the strategy to make smoking less dangerous. In the meantime, the general advice already given to those who continue to smoke but who are concerned about their health remains valid. They should choose a brand with as low a tar yield as they feel able. The latest issue of the Government's tar tables includes manufacturers' estimates of the tar yield of brands containing tobacco substitutes as well as that of all-tobacco brands.

    Part-Time Workers

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services (1) what would be the cost in family income supplement payments if the definition of full-time work were reduced from 30 hours to (a) eight hours, (b) 16 hours, and 24 hours, respectively; and if he will give this information net of savings in supplementary benefit;(2) how many additional families would become eligible for family income supplement if the definition of full-time work were reduced from 30 hours to (

    a) eight hours, ( b) 16 hours, and ( c) 24 hours, respectively; and if he will give this information separately for one-and two-parent families.

    pursuant to his reply [Official Report, 8th November 1977; Vol. 938, c. 54], gave the following information:There must be a limit to the reduction in the number of hours which could be prescribed in regulations as defining full-time work, and remain consistent with the family income supplement scheme. However, if the number of hours were reduced to 8, 16 or 24 the additional number of families who could immediately qualify for benefit would be 35,000, 20,000 and under 10,000 respectively. Virtually all would be one-parent families. The estimated cost in benefit in each case would be £13 million, £4½ million and £2 million in a full year, excluding administration costs. There would be a small saving of supplementary benefit but only in the case of a reduction to eight hours. These estimates, which are subject to considerable sampling error, are based on a Department of Health and Social Security analysis of information recorded by respondents to the family expenditure survey and, therefore, take account only of families in which the head is an employee and already works between 8 and 30 hours. No information on hours of work is available for the self-employed; nor is it known how many more families might qualify if they undertook work for, or increased their hours of work to, at least eight hours.

    Environment

    Construction Industry

    asked the Secretary of State for the Environment what percentage of the sums allocated for help to the construction industry in the past two years has gone to the South-West Region.

    The information that is readily available indicates that of the £30 million for local authorities and housing associations announced in May 1977, and the housing part—£49 million—of the assistance for construction announced in July 1977, some £4·3 million, or 5·44 per cent. was allocated to the South-West Region.

    Ordnance Survey (Archaeology Division)

    asked the Secretary of State for the Environment what representations he has received concerning the future of the Archaeology Division of the Ordnance Survey in Edinburgh.

    Representations have been received from the Society of Antiquaries for Scotland, and my right hon. Friend has received a letter from the Royal Commission on the Ancient and Historical Monuments of Scotland which bears on this matter.

    asked the Secretary of State for the Environment what plans his Department has for removing the records of the Archaeology Division from the Edinburgh to the Southampton office of the Ordnance Survey.

    Water Charges (Direct Billing)

    asked the Secretary of State for the Environment what estimate he has made of the increased costs to water rate payers of direct billing.

    It was estimated in December 1976 that full direct billing would lead to net annual savings for water authorities of the order of £11 million for those authorities then proposing to introduce direct billing. These savings would be reflected in water charges, although to some extent they could be at the expense of local authorities who currently collect the charges. I have emphasised to water authorities the need, when contemplating the extension of direct billing, to pay close attention to the need to avoid any significant increase in overall public expenditure.

    Rate Support Grant

    asked the Secretary of State for the Environment what proposals he has in mind to amend the present method of assessing the needs element of the rate support grant to ensure that those authorities which face greater demands on their services due to increasing population are adequately compensated.

    In general, the larger the population of an authority, the more grant it receives; but there is no evidence that the per head expenditure needs of authorities with increasing population are growing faster than elsewhere.

    asked the Secretary of State for the Environment (1) whether factor (h) (persons in households without the exclusive use of hot water supply, fixed bath and inside water closet) in Schedule 1 of the Rate Support Grant Order 1976 was calculated on 1971 census information only; and, if so, what is his estimate of the accuracy with which this information reflects the 1977 position;(2) wether factor (k) (number of lone families with dependent children) in Schedule 1 of the Rate Support Grant Order 1976 was calculated on 1971 census information only; and, if so, what is his estimate of the accuracy with which this information reflects the 1977 position.

    Both factors are based on 1971 census information. This provides the most recent evidence of the distribution between local authorities of sub-standard housing and lone-parent families with dependent children. There is no basis for estimating accurately how closely this information reflects the current position, though an analysis of 1966 and 1971 census data showed that changes in incidence over that period were small by comparison with the size of differences in incidence between authorities. Both factors proved to be significantly correlated with local authorities' expenditure in the regression analysis for 1978–79.

    asked the Secretary of State for the Environment whether he will list in the Official Report what other methods of obtaining the needs assessment formula for the Rate Support Grant Order 1977 were developed and tested but rejected.

    This Question can only be answered at some length, and I shall write to the hon. Member.

    Water (Quality)

    asked the Secretary of State for the Environment what consideration has been given to the progressive enrichment of natural waters with nitrogen and phosphorous; what information he has on phosphorous, especially in synthetic detergent formulations, as a nutrient frequently increasing the frequency and

    HOUSEHOLDS LIVING IN SUB-STANDARD DWELLINGS: ENGLAND AND WALES
    Thousands
    19761981
    Households living in unfit dwellings710350
    Households living in dwellings that are fit, but lacking one or more of the basic amenities940400
    The 1981 figures are projections.
    Overall average household size is projected to decline from 2·75 persons in 1976 to 2·66 in 1981. The 1971 census indicated that the average number of persons in households lacking one or more of the basic amenities was about 0·5 persons less than the overall average.

    Electricity (Home Heating)

    asked the Secretary of State for the Environment what percentage of pensioner households occupies

    intensity of algal growth; and if he is satisfied that the trials of the Anglian Water Authority and others correspond to the need to improve water quality.

    Eutrophication can be a problem in certain waters used for potable supplies or for fishing, but the main areas for concern have been identified. The phosphorous content of detergent formulations is not in itself of real significance, as even if this source of phosphorous were removed completely sufficient would remain to allow for algal growth. It is for water authorities to assess particular situations and take necessary action. In doing so they can draw on considerable research and experience in the causes and control of algal growths. The experimental programme of the Anglian Water Authority to remove phosphorous from sewage effluent discharged to Barton Broad is an example of this.

    Sub-Standard Dwellings

    asked the Secretary of State for the Environment what is his estimate of the expected change in the number of (a) persons living in households and (b) households in the United Kingdom without the exclusive use of hot water supply, fixed bath or inside water closet, between June 1976 and June 1978.

    Estimates are not available in the precise form requested. Following is the readily available information:accommodation wholly or mainly heated by electricity.

    Households

    asked the Secretary of State for the Environment whether he will publish figures comparing his Department's county household projections with the household projections contained in county structure plans; and if he will make a statement on any differences between these two sets of figures.

    The Department's county household projections and those in structure plans are readily available. They are based on different sources, methods and assumptions. For example, when developing structure plans, counties might take different views on migration and household formation than those contained in centrally prepared projections. Because of the technical nature of the subject I propose writing in greater detail to my hon. Friend.

    Library And Museum Services

    asked the Secretary of State for the Environment what are his Department's guidelines for local authorities on expenditure on libraries and museum services per 1,000 population; and what is the comparable expenditure by Norfolk County Council on these services.

    I have been asked to reply.No detailed guidance in the form requested by my hon. Friend has been sent to local authorities about their expenditure on libraries and museums services. Following last year's rate support grant settlement, local authorities were advised generally that the forecasts on which the settlement was based included a small increase in the volume of current expenditure on these services for 1977–78 in part recognition of new commitments arising from the commissioning of new buildings. We are considering what further general guidance may be appropriate on the main consequences for local authority expenditure of the 1978–79 settlement announced on 18th November.

    National Library

    asked the Secretary of State for the Environment when work will start on the new National Library.

    I have been asked to reply.Work on the detailed design of the new building has been continuing with a view to a start being made on the construction of a substantial first phase in 1979–80 if economic conditions permit.

    Employment

    Cheshire

    asked the Secretary of State for Employment if he will list the job creation schemes in Cheshire, including the number of jobs created by each and the cost to his Department.

    Luton Campaign For Homosexual Equality

    asked the Secretary of State for Employment (1) pursuant to his reply of 21st November to the Question of the hon. Member for Louth, what is the total amount of money that has been allocated to the Luton Campaign for Homosexual Equality under the job creation programme in the current year;(2) which trades unions signified to him their support for the application by the Luton Campaign for Homosexual Equality for a scheme under the job creation programme;(3) pursuant to his reply of 21st November to the Written Question of the hon. Member for Louth, what organisations other than the Campaign for Homosexual Equality are in the Troika consortium which is sponsoring a project under the job creation programme in Luton.

    I am informed by the Manpower Services Commission that it is estimated that, of the funds allocated for the 12 months commencing 25th July 1977 to the job creation project in Luton sponsored by the consortium of voluntary organisations named "Troika", approximately £3,300 is for work carried out by the Luton Campaign for Homosexual Equality.No trade unions were asked to signify their support for the application. Such consultation was not considered necessary in this case, as no permanent jobs in the area were likely to be affected. However, the application was approved by the Area Action Committee on which there is both trade union and employer representation.When the Troika project was approved for funding, the organisations in the sponsoring consortium in addition to the Luton Campaign for Homosexual Equality were Luton Women's Aid and the Afro-Caribbean Education and Cultural Organisation. The latter organisation has not been able to proceed with its part of the project.

    Scotland

    asked the Secretary of State for Employment what is the unemployment rate in Galloway relative to that in the rest of Scotland, and relative to that in England.

    Galloway has been taken as the area covered by the Stranraer, Newton Stewart and Castle Douglas employment offices.Following is the information at 10th November.

    Unemployment rate
    (Per cent.)
    Galloway11·2
    Scotland, except Galloway8·5
    England5·9

    asked the Secretary of State for Employment (1) what is the unemployment rate in Glasgow relative to that in Merseyside, Manchester, Birmingham, and London; and how this compares with the position in October 1974;(2) what is the unemployment rate in Lanark relative to that in Merseyside, Manchester, Durham, Birmingham, and London; and how this compares with the position in October 1974.

    The following table gives unemployment rates in the areas specified:

    October 1974October 1977
    (Per cent.)(Per cent.)
    Glasgow travel-to-work area4·99·7
    Lanark Employment Office area4·510·5
    Merseyside Special Development area6·011·7
    Manchester travel-to-work area2·86·4
    Birmingham travel-to-work area3·0*6·8
    Greater London1·54·3
    Durham Employment Office area3·16·3
    *Because of industrial action by some staff in the Department of Employment Group, information for October 1974 is not available for Birmingham, and the figure shown is for September 1974.

    asked the Secretary of State for Employment if he is able to estimate the number of people in Scotland who have gained full-time permanent employ- ment as a result of job creation or work experience schemes.

    I have been asked to reply.I am informed by the Manpower Services Commission that 307 job creation projects in Scotland in which 3,372 jobs have been approved are due to terminate in the next three months; in the same period about 1,600 young people are due to leave work experience schemes. The number who will return to the unemployment register cannot be predicted. It is estimated however that for the job creation programme as a whole, about 40 per cent, of project employees go into permanent employment, training or further education immediately on leaving JCP projects and nearly 60 per cent. of all JCP project employees are in employment about six months after leaving. An initial sample of young people who left work experience schemes indicated that 42 per cent. entered employment immediately on leaving a scheme. This figure does not include those young people who subsequently found work after a short period of unemployment.

    asked the Secretary of State for Employment what is his latest estimate of people employed directly or indirectly in oil-related industries in Scotland.

    I have been asked to reply.Full information in the form requested is not available. It is estimated that at June 1976, the latest date for which detailed employment figures are available for Scotland, between 56,000 and 65,000 persons were employed directly or indirectly in North Sea oil-related activities. At the same date, there were 4,200 employees in the petroleum and natural gas industries and 2,400 in mineral oil refining.

    asked the Secretary of State for Employment (1) what is his estimate of the percentage increase in Scottish unemployment since March 1974;(2) what is the percentage increase in Scottish unemployment since December 1975;(3) what was the percentage increase in Scottish unemployment from October 1964 to June 1970, from June 1970 to November 1973 and from March 1974 to the present date;(4) what is the percentage increase in Scottish unemployment taking October 1964 as the base point;(5) what is the percentage increase in Scottish unemployment, taking March 1974 as the base point.

    I have been asked to reply.The following information is based on seasonally adjusted figures which exclude school leavers:

    PERCENTAGE INCREASE OR DECREASE IN UNEMPLOYMENT IN SCOTLAND
    Per cent.
    March 1974 to November 1977 (Prov)+109·3
    October 1964 to June 1970+23·0
    October 1964 to November 1977 (Prov)+148·8
    June 1970 to November 1973-8·3
    December 1975 to November 1977 (Prov)+41·4

    asked the Secretary of State for Employment what was the average inflow of vacancies notified in Scotland in the three months ended October; how this compares with the average in the three months ended July and the three months ended May 1977; and if he can

    PERCENTAGE CHANGES IN UNEMPLOYMENT
    RegionJune 1964 to June 1970June 1970 to November 1973March 1974 to November 1977
    Per cent.Per cent.Per cent.
    Highland+51-2+165
    Shetland-47-62+43
    Orkney+78-24+126
    Western Isles-15+10+3
    Grampian+80-25+123
    Tayside+57-6+103
    Fife+2-11+114
    Strathclyde+8No change+105
    Lothian+91+3+104
    Central+7+16+97
    Dumfries and Galloway+31-12+95
    Borders+92-27+178

    Apprentices

    asked the Secretary of State for Employment if he will publish figures showing the number of young people entering apprenticeships in each United Kingdom region in each of the past four years.

    I am informed by the Manpower Services Commission that the information requested is not readily avail-

    also state the average outflow of vacancies in the periods in question.

    I have been asked to reply.I am informed by the Manpower Services Commission that the information requested is as follows:

    Vacancies
    Period 3 months endedInflowOutflow
    6th May 197766,82062,761
    8th July 197765,98766,259
    7th October 197765,53864,168
    These figures relate to vacancies notified to employment offices and do not include those notified to professional and executive recruitment or careers offices.

    asked the Secretary of State for Employment if he will publish a table showing the percentage increase in unemployment by Scottish region from October 1964 to June 1970, from June 1970 to November 1973, and from March 1974 to the present date.

    I have been asked to reply.Information is not available for October 1964; June 1964 has been used in its place. The information is given in the following table:able and could be obtained only at disproportionate cost.

    Highlands And Islands Development Board

    asked the Secretary of State for Employment what is his estimate of the net job loss or gain in the Highland region since the establishment of the Highlands and Islands Development Board.

    I have been asked to reply.The net change in the number of employees in employment in the Highland Region between 1965, when the Highlands and Islands Development Board was established, and 1975, the latest year for which a regional employment estimate is available, was an increase of 10,400.

    Temporary Employment Subsidy

    asked the Secretary of Stale for Employment whether the temporary employment subsidy has been investigated by the European Commission; and, if so, what was the outcome of that investigation.

    Informal discussions with officials have been initiated by the Commission; the outcome is not yet known.

    asked the Secretary of State for Employment whether the temporary employment subsidy is being investigated by the European Commission.

    Informal discussions with officials at technical revel have been initiated by the EEC. These cover the effect of the scheme on particular sectors and the future of the scheme generally beyond 31st March 1978.

    asked the Secretary of State for Employment whether he is satisfied that the temporary employment subsidy is compatible with the fair competition principles of the EEC.

    In general—yes. Notification to the Commission was made before the scheme was launched in August 1975 and also subsequently at each extension. On no occasion was the question of unfair competition raised or approval withheld.

    Torrington

    asked the Secretary of State for Employment how many persons are currently being assisted under the Employment Services Agency fares-to-work scheme in the Torrington area of Devon.

    asked the Secretary of State for Employment what steps are being taken to reduce unemployment among young people in the Torrington area of Devon.

    Young people in Torrington, as elsewhere, have benefited under the wide range of special measures which the Government have introduced to alleviate unemployment. Precise figures are not available in respect of the Torrington area, but in the Bideford area as a whole nine projects have been approved under the job creation scheme providing 68 jobs, of which about half have been taken up by young people; 51 schemes have been supported under the work experience programme, with some 67 young people participating, and the employment of 44 young people has been assisted under the youth employment subsidy.My right hon. Friend announced on 29th June a new youth opportunity programme, which will offer a range of opportunities for training and work experience which can be adapted to individual needs. Resources are to be allocated between areas in proportion to the level of youth unemployment so that areas with the most severe problems will benefit accordingly.

    Pay Settlements

    asked the Secretary of State for Employment what advice has been given to employers in the public sector on the difference between a 10 per cent. guideline and a 10 per cent. limit in respect of post-phase 2 pay settlements.

    The general guidance to all negotiators is that set out in Cmnd. 6882.The Government have also explained that the distribution of increases within a negotiating group is a matter for the negotiators concerned, whereas in the previous two rounds limits were set for each individual's pay increase.

    asked the Secretary of State for Employment how many speeches he has made to trade union annual conferences during 1977; and in how many of those he mentioned the need for post-phase 2 pay policy to be based on flexibility with elbow room for negotiators.

    Four. At all of them my right hon. Friend stressed that flexibility would have to be consistent with maintaining the attack against inflation and unemployment.

    Tyres

    asked the Secretary of State for Employment what redundancies have been notified to him by Messrs. John Bright and Son as a result of the decision by the Goodyear Tyre Co. to reduce purchases of British-made tyre cord.

    John Bright and Brothers Ltd. has notified 213 redundancies, in accordance wih Section 100 of the Employment Protection Act, due to the closure of its Higher Walton mills. The company announced publicly that this closure was part of its continuing plan to concentrate production in its most modern and cost-effective units, which are based in Rochdale. The closure was not attributed to Goodyear's revised purchasing policy.

    Walsall

    asked the Secretary of State for Employment how many applications have been received from firms applying for temporary employment subsidy in Walsall; and how many of these applications have been approved.

    As at 2nd December, 25 applications in respect of 1,106 jobs had been received from firms in the Walsall area. Of these, 22 applications covering 1,083 jobs had been approved.

    asked the Secretary of State for Employment how many school leavers have been employed under the youth employment subsidy scheme in Walsall; and how many applications for this programme have been received.

    I regret that information in the precise form requested is not available. At 2nd December 1977 96 applications under the youth employment subsidy scheme had been approved in respect of young people in Walsall. At the same date a total of 30,329 applications had been approved in Great Britain.

    Unfair Dismissals

    asked the Secretary of State for Employment what is his estimate of the likely total value of claims for unfair dismissal in the current year.

    Wages

    asked the Secretary of State for Employment to what extent the 10 per cent. guidelines on wages initiated by the Government is to offset the expected rise in food and other prices in January 1978 as a result of the ending of the transitional period of Great Britain's entry into the EEC.

    I have been asked to reply.The 10 per cent. guideline was not devised on the basis of offsetting particular price rises. My right hon. Friend has made it clear that the measures announced on 15th July and 26th October, coupled with moderate settlements within the Government's guidelines, should enable living standards to be not only maintained but improved.

    Wales

    Snowdonia National Park (Access Orders)

    asked the Secretary of State for Wales what discussions he has with the Snowdonia National Park Planning Committee to ensure that access orders are made to allow ramblers to walk the Nantle Ridge, and in particular Cwm Siln Ridge.

    None. However, there have been discussions with Gwynedd County Council about the making of access agreements and the creation of public footpaths in relation to land in this area in my right hon. and learned Friend's ownership. It is proposed to sell this land, subject to satisfactory arrangements for public access, to existing tenants, ie. the agricultural holdings, known as Talymignedd, Drwsycoed Uchaf and Drwsycoed Isaf, which comprise the eastern portion of the Nantle Ridge.

    Foreign And Commonwealth Affairs

    Immigration (Indian Sub-Continent)

    8.

    asked the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs whether he will bring up to date the details of application for settlement for wives and children from the Indian sub-continent which he gave in a parliamentary answer on 3rd February 1977.

    I am arranging for the figures to be brought up to date and published in the Official Report. They show a significant further decline in the rate of applications in all three countries of the sub-continent.

    Cocom

    14.

    asked the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs when he next intends to attend a meeting of COCOM; and if he will seek to persuade the meeting of the strategic difference to NATO of Communist countries in Eastern Europe that are members of the Warsaw Pact and of those outside Europe which are not.

    The United Kingdom is represented at official level in discussions of this kind. It is possible to envisage circumstances where different strategic considerations could apply to exports to Communist countries which are—and to those which are not—members of the Warsaw Pact. But each proposed sale must be considered in the light of its own particular circumstances.

    Scotland

    Scottish Development Agency

    asked the Secretary of State for Scotland (1) if he is able to estimate the cost per job created by the Scottish Development Agency; (2) if he is able to give an estimate of the total jobs created through the activities, of the Scottish Development Agency how many of these are in construction; how many in manufacturing; and if he will give a breakdown by region; (3) if he is able to estimate the total expenditure to date by the Scottish Development Agency in the creation of jobs in the construction industry, the manufacturing industry and the service industry; and what has been the expenditure by the Agency on job creation in each Scottish region.

    Details are a matter for the Agency, but the Chairman has announced that it has already produced the potential of 30,000 jobs. A further 1,500 people are working on Agency sites, including 450 engaged on job creation programme projects.The Agency has such a wide span of activities, and creates or contributes to the creation of jobs in so many different ways, that it is impracticable to give precise answers to the remaining Questions asked by the hon. Member, particularly in relation to cost per job.

    Highlands And Islands Development Board

    asked the Secretary of State for Scotland (1) if he is able to estimate the cost per job created by the Highlands and Islands Development Board in the current financial year; (2) if he is able to give an estimate of the total number of jobs created by the Highlands and Islands Development Board; of these, how many have been in manufacturing; and how many in the construction industry.

    The Highlands and Islands Development Board estimates that the equivalent of 13,000 full-time jobs have been created by Board assistance offered to enterprises in the period 1st December 1965 to 30th September 1977. Of these 5,600 are in manufacturing industry—including fish processing—and 1,400 in the construction industry.The Board estimates that the cost per job created, and to be created, by Board assistance approved for industrial and other enterprises to 31st October 1977 is £6,200.

    asked the Secretary of State for Scotland what is the total expenditure by the Highlands and Islands Development Board in the past three years on the creation of jobs in manufacturing industry, the construction industry, service industry and the fishing industry.

    In the three calendar years 1974–76 the Highlands and Islands Development Board approved the following expenditure on financial assistance to enterprises in the categories mentioned:

    £
    Manufacturing industry (including fish processing)3,639,213
    Construction industry1,203,832
    Service industry (including tourism)6,113,932
    Fishing industry4,176,858
    In this period the Board also approved expenditure of £3·3 million on schemes and projects designed to improve employment opportunities generally. It is not readily practicable to allocate this expenditure to particular industries or to estimate its effect on job creation.

    asked the Secretary of State for Scotland if he is able to estimate the total capital expenditure which remains available to the Highlands and Islands Development Board for the remainder of the present financial year.

    At 1st November 1977 about £4·6 million of the approved estimate for expenditure by the Board in this financial year on projects and on financial assistance for enterprises was not committed.

    Student Grants

    asked the Secretary of State for Scotland if, in view of the higher cost of living in Aberdeen compared with other areas of Scotland, he will introduce a weighting allowance in respect of grants for students attending higher education institutions in Aberdeen.

    A94 And A92

    asked the Secretary of State for Scotland if he has received the report of the public inquiry on his proposals to trunk road A94 (Dundee—Forfar—Stonehaven) and to de-trunk road A92 (Dundee—Montrose—Stonehaven); when he expects to announce his decision; and if he will make a statement.

    My right hon. Friend has not received the report. Until he does I cannot forecast the timing of his decision.

    Local Government Staff (Pay)

    asked the Secretary of State for Scotland (1) what arrangements there were for harmonising rates of pay of professional staff employed by the former local authorities on the formation of the new local authorities; and whether any anomalies in rates of pay still exist between staff of the same grade employed by the same authority;(2) what arrangements there were for harmonising rates of pay of industrial staff employed by the former local authorities on the formation of new local authorities;(3) in how many local authorities, since the reorganisation of local government, there exist different rates of pay for industrial staff employed by authorities on the same work; how many staff are affected; what action is being taken to harmonise these differences; when such harmonisation will be completed; and if he will make a statement.

    Under the provisions of the Local Government (Scotland) Act 1973 and the Local Authorities (Staff Transfer and Protection) (Scotland) Order 1975, every local authority employee transferred at the reorganisation of local government to one of the new authorities was entitled to continue to enjoy terms and conditions of service not less favourable than those which he enjoyed immediately before the reorganisation, until such time as he was served by the new employing authority with a notice setting out new terms and conditions of service. Any change in terms and conditions of service, whether to remove anomalies between groups of employees or for any other reason, was thus a matter for determination by the new employing authority. Action to harmonise the differences, subject to the Government's pay guidelines,

    BridgeMotor Bicycles etc.Motor Cars/Light Goods VehiclesScheduled BusesHeavy Goods VehiclesEscorted Vehicles (where applicable)
    pppp£
    ForthNil1525505
    Tay5 (with side cars 12)12½2550Discretionary
    ErskineNil1525505

    Unemployed Persons

    asked the Secretary of State for Scotland if he is able to estimate the number of people who will be returned to the unemployment register from job creation or work experience schemes in the next three months.

    I am informed by the Manpower Services Commission that 307 job creation projects in Scotland in which 3,372 jobs have been approved are due to terminate in the next three months; in the same period about 1,600 young people are due to leave work experience schemes.The number who will return to the unemployment register cannot be predicted. It is estimated, however, that for the job creation programme as a whole, is a matter for the local authorities concerned working through established procedures for negotiating pay settlements in local government. Information about the extent of the differences is not available centrally.

    Tolls

    asked the Secretary of State for Scotland if he will list in the Official Report the tunnels, bridges and roads in Scotland for which tolls are charged, giving details of the charges levied and the levels of concession given to (a) commercial vehicles and (b) private vehicles.

    Tolls are not charged on any roads or tunnels in Scotland.The following table gives the information requested for the three tolled bridges. There are no concessionary schemes for private vehicles, although cars of disabled drivers cross free. Under the Forth and Erskine Bridges concession schemes for goods vehicles, heavy goods vehicles with unladen weights of over 30 cwt. and making at least 32 crossings per calendar month pay a toll of 30p per crossing.about 40 per cent. of project employees go into permanent employment, training or further education immediately on leaving JCP projects and nearly 60 per cent of all JCP project employees are in employment about six months after leaving. An initial sample of young people who left work experience schemes indicated that 42 per cent. entered employment immediately on leaving a scheme. This figure does not include those young people who subsequently found work after a short period of unemployment.

    Public Expenditure

    asked the Secretary of State for Scotland if he will give an assurance that any block grant given to a Scottish Assembly in the event of the Scotland Bill being implemented will be assessed on the basis of the present situation whereby expenditure from Government funds on the devolved services in Scotland is between 25 and 30 per cent. above the comparable figure for England and Wales; and if he will make a statement.

    The present level of public expenditure in Scotland reflects the Government's assessment of Scotland's needs. We have made clear, in White Papers and elsewhere, our intention that Scottish public expenditure should continue to be settled on the assessment from time to time of the relative needs of the various parts of the United Kingdom.

    Oil-Related Industry

    asked the Secretary of State for Scotland (1) what is his latest estimate of the number of people employed in Scotland as a result of downstream industrial activity associated with North Sea oil onshore development;(2) what is his estimate of the number of jobs created in Scotland by the petrochemical industry as a direct result of North Sea oil activity.

    Full information in the form requested is not available. It is estimated that at June 1976, the latest date for which detailed employment figures are available for Scotland, between 56,000 and 65,000 persons were employed directly or indirectly in North Sea oil related activities. At the same date, there were 4,200 employees in the petroleum and natural gas industries and 2,400 in mineral oil refining.

    Northern Ireland

    Pensioners

    asked the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland what latest estimate he has made of the number of retirement pensioners living alone in Northern Ireland.

    The total number of retirement pensioners in Northern Ireland on 30th June 1977 was about 182,000. There is no recent comprehensive information on the type of household in which they live, but a survey of the circumstances of retirement pensioners in 1965 showed that about 21 per cent. were then living alone.

    Prisoners (Christmas Release)

    asked the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland under what circumstances social security benefit will be payable to the wives of IRA and other prisoners released from prison in Northern Ireland over Christmas to enable them to meet the extra expenses involved in having an extra person in the household.

    The only circumstances in which provision is made for the requirements of a prisoner on parole is where the relatives with whom he will be staying are already receiving supplementary benefit. These arrangements apply to all prisoners on Christmas home leave.

    asked the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland whether his Department makes any distinction between IRA prisoners and any other criminals released over Christmas in calculating the extra amount of social security benefit which their wives may draw in respect of the extra cost of having an extra person in the household.

    asked the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland how many IRA prisoners are eligible for release over Christmas, if they are favourably recommended by the prison governor, because they fulfil the other conditions set out in his answer to the hon. Member for Aberdeen, South on 28th November 1977.

    This year 35 special category prisoners, 29 claiming affiliations with the Provisional IRA and six with the Official IRA, are eligible to be considered for Christmas home leave. In the past, however, very few Provisional IRA prisoners have accepted. Figures showing the political affiliations of those convicted of crimes committed after 1st March 1976 are not available.

    asked the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland if he will issue instructions that in no circumstances should extra social security benefits be issued to the wives of IRA prisoners who may be released from prison over Christmas in order to cover the extra costs of having an extra person in the household.

    asked the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland if he will ensure that in no circumstances are convicted IRA terrorists released for special home leave over Christmas, despite the fact that present regulations allow them to be so released.

    The criteria set out in my hon. Friend the Minister of State's answer to the hon. Member's Question of 28th November apply equally to all convicted prisoners.—[Vol. 940, c. 99.]

    Lorry Drivers

    asked the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland how many persons under the sponsorship of the Employment Services Office in Northern Ireland have taken the course for heavy goods vehicle driving licences at Class I and at Class III standards during each of the past three years; what has

    197519761977
    Completed Courses
    (1) Class I40727860
    Class III144308432
    551586492
    Passes
    (2) Class I25120952
    Class III104232347
    355441399
    Costs
    (3) Fees Paid—Classes I and III£110,000£133,000£132,000
    Allowances Paid—Classes I and III£43,000£48,000£52,000
    £153,000£181,000£184,000
    There are currently 354 unemployed persons who have, during the last three years, successfully completed an HGV Class I or Class III training course provided by the Department of Manpower Services. The 354 unemployed Class I and Class III drivers who have completed the course represent 31 per cent. and 32 per cent. respectively of the total number of unemployed persons having these qualifications.Currently there are 1,625 persons on the waiting list for these courses.

    Public Expenditure

    asked the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland what has been been the cost in each year in fees for the courses and in payments to the trainees; how many of those taking each course passed; how many of those qualifying are now unemployed; what percentage this represents of the total of unemployed drivers in Northern Ireland who hold such licences in each class; and how many are now on the list for such courses.

    Training of unemployed persons for heavy goods vehicle driver licences in Northern Ireland is provided by the Department of Manpower Services through the agency of the Road Transport Industry Training Board.The table below shows: (1) the number of persons sponsored by the Department of Manpower Services who have completed courses of training for heavy goods vehicle licences (Class I and Class III) in the years 1975, 1976 and 1977 to date; (2) the number of those trainees who have passed the course; (3) the costs in each year of course fees and trainees allowances:the total cost to the British Government of the present emergency in Northern Ireland; if he will set this out in civilian expenditure and in expenditure by the Armed Forces, Army, Navy and Air Force, respectively; and what was the cost each separate year since the emergency began.

    It would require a disproportionate use of staff time and resources to identify, even approximately, from within the total of expenditure in respect of Northern Ireland, each and every element of expenditure attributable solely to the "present emergency". Figures are, however, readily available in respect of the extra cost of military operations in Northern Ireland since 1969. I refer to the answer given to the hon. Member for Stretford (Mr. Churchill) by my hon. Friend the Under-Secretary of State for Defence for the Army on 20th July 1977.—[Vol. 935, c. 609.]

    Departmental Staff (Housing)

    asked the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland how many houses or flats have been bought or rented in Northern Ireland for the use of Northern Ireland Office civil servants; how many have been sold; how many are still in the possession of the relevant department; and what was the average purchase price and the average sale price.

    It would be contrary to the public interest and the safety of officers concerned to publish these details.

    Concessionary Fares

    asked the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland what improvements are to be made to the concessionary fare system in Northern Ireland; and when the improved scheme will be implemented.

    The arrangements for concessionary fares in Northern Ireland are currently under review and a statement will be made shortly.

    Clubs

    asked the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland how many new clubs have applied for club registration under the Clubs Act 1966 (Northern Ireland) during 1977 for 1978.

    72 currently unregistered clubs have lodged notices of application with the courts that they intend to apply in January 1978 for the grant of certificates of registration under the provisions of the Registration of Clubs Act (Northern Ireland) 1967 for the 19781979 registration year.

    Licensing Laws

    asked the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland if he will give an assurance that before seeking any alterations in the present licensing laws in Northern Ireland he will await the report of the licensing review body.

    An Inter-Departmental Review Body has been established to examine all aspects of the law relating to the sale, supply and consumption of intoxicating liquor in Northern Ireland and the Review Body would welcome receiving written submissions from all interested parties. It is also the Government's intention to publish at an early date a proposal for a draft licensing Order in Council. The proposed draft order will be restricted to empowering courts, in certain circumstances, to renew liquor licences in respect of bomb damaged hotels and will also provide for the licensing, if required, of a limited number of purpose-built leisure centres operated by and under the direct control of district councils.

    Disabled Persons

    asked the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland what action he is taking to ensure that all new schools and places of further education are provided with facilities for disabled people; if he will issue instructions similar to those of his right hon. Friend the Secretary of State for Education and Science in her letter to chief architects of local education authorities in England in January 1977; and if he will make a statement.

    pursuant to his reply [Official Report, 9th November 1977; Vol. 938, c. 149], gave the following information:I apologise to the hon. Member for the delay in replying.All educational building authorities are aware that facilities should be designed in such manner as to allow their use by disabled pupils, students and staff, and access facilities for the disabled are provided as far as is reasonable and practicable. Discussions are to be arranged between the Department of Education for Northern Ireland and the education and library boards in order to review current practices and to determine what needs exist and whether adequate account is already taken of those needs. If in the light of this review it seems necessary, further guidance will be given to school building authorities.

    European Community

    Direct Elections

    50.

    asked the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs if he will undertake to keep the House informed of changes in the current state of progress in the other member States of the European Community on

    Adoption of Council Decision of 20th September 1976Legislation laying down the electoral procedure
    BelgiumBill introduced. Parliament to discuss it at beginning of next session.Bill approved by Cabinet on 14th October. Referred to Conseil d'Etat for clearance, which is expected in a matter of days. Government committed to giving Bill priority.
    DenmarkDirect Elections Bills for Denmark and 2nd December.Greenland passed by the Folketing on
    GermanyBill adopted by Bundestag on 17th June 1977. Notification given to Secretariat.First reading completed by Bundestag. Second and third readings shortly.
    FranceLaw adopted on 16th June 1977 by National Assembly on 23rd June by Senate.Law adopted on 30th June 1977 by Senate and National Assembly.
    IrelandWith the June elections the Bill introduced in April ceased to be applicable. An ad hoc Commission reported in mid-October. The Government introduced a new Bill on 14th October. Committee stage has now been completed. Legislative process expected to be over by end of 1977.
    ItalyLaw adopted in January 1977. Notification given to Secretariat.Bill still under consideration by inter-party committee and officials.
    LuxembourgLaw adopted on 6th July 1977.Bill in preparation. Expected to be presented in November with a view to enactment in the New Year.
    NetherlandsLaw adopted on 23rd June 1977 by Second Chamber and 28th June 1977 by First Chamber.Draft Bill is with the Council of State for clearance prior to submission to the Second Chamber.
    United KingdomDraft legislation was tabled in Parliament on 24th June 1977 and passed on second reading by the House of Commons on 7th July 1977. The Bill was debated in second reading on 24th November.

    South Africa

    53.

    asked the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs what progress has been made in discussions within the Council of Ministers on the European Community's economic policies towards South Africa; and if he will make a statement.

    The Nine Foreign Ministers have discussed possible economic measures in respect of South Africa. No decisions have yet been taken, but study is continuing. Steps will be taken to implement the code of conduct on employment practices for companies of the Nine operating in South Africa.

    Foreign Ministers (Meeting)

    54.

    asked the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs when he next expects to meet Foreign Ministers of the EEC.

    the legislation to make arrangements for holding direct elections; and if he will make a statement.

    My right hon. Friend is always ready to do so when asked. As there have been one or two developments since I last gave the House this information on 10th November, I append a revised list showing the present position:

    Broadcasting

    55.

    asked the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs what discussions he has raised within the Council of Ministers concerning the räle of broadcasting services in European Economic Community member States at a time of direct elections to the Assembly.

    National Finance

    European Community Budget

    58.

    asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer what is the present position in relation to the proposed changes in the method by which the EEC budget is financed.

    The Council agreed on 21st November that, from 1st January 1978, with the introduction of the full own-resources system, financial contributions will be replaced by the revenue obtained from VAT by applying a Community rate not exceeding 1 per cent. to a base determined in a uniform manner in each member State in accordance with the recently agreed Sixth Directive on VAT. VAT will finance the residual part of the budget after payment of all established agricultural levies and customs duties.VAT own resources cannot, however, be introduced on 1st January 1978 unless at least three member States have actually implemented the Sixth Directive. The present position is that the United Kingdom is the only member State in a position to implement the Sixth Directive, and if two more member States do not implement it before 1st January 1978 GNP-related financial contributions will be used for the 1978 budget.

    Public Expenditure

    asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer if, since the start of cash limit procedures, there is any expenditure head showing a significant difference between the limit and actual expenditure.

    I would refer the hon. Member to the figures in Tables 2 and 3 of "Cash Limits 1976–77—Provisional Outturn" (Cmnd. 6902) and to the interim figures for 1977–78 published on Friday 2nd December.

    Mortgages

    asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer what is the value to Scottish and English taxpayers, respectively, of tax relief on mortgage interest rates; and what is the value expressed per head of total populations of each country.

    The total tax relief on mortgage interest in Scotland and England for 1977–78 is estimated at £45 million and £970 million respectively. This takes into account the recent reduction in the rates charged by building societies but assumes that rates do not change again thereafter.Using the latest population estimates available, for June 1976, the average relief per head of the total population in 1977–78 is £8·60 in Scotland and £20·90 in England.

    £ Sterling

    asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer what is the purchasing power of £1 in November of the current year when compared with November 1974.

    The purchasing power of £1 fell from 100p in November 1974 to 61·8p in October 1977. November 1977 figures are not yet available.

    Estate Settlement

    asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer what is the time limit during which the Inland Revenue may leave a deceased person's tax affairs in abeyance and thereby prevent the representatives of the deceased from concluding the settling of his estate.

    In the case of assessments upon the personal representatives of a deceased person in respect of income or chargeable gains which arose or accrued to him before his death, the time allowed for making assessments is not later than the end of the third year following the year of assessment in which he died.

    Departmental Correspondence

    asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer when his Department will reply to the letter on value added tax problems he acknowledged on 4th April 1977, from Messrs. George Jackson and Company, Sutton.

    Customs And Excise Revenue

    asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer which customs and excise duties are specific and which are ad valorem; what have been their fiscal yield in the years 1970–71 to 1977–78; and what is his estimate of the yield from those items subject to specific taxes if they were changed to ad valorem in the current year.

    THE NET REVENUES OF THE CUSTOMS AND EXCISE DUTIES IN THE PERIOD 1970–71 TO 1976–77, WITH ESTIMATES FOR 1977–78, WERE
    million)

    1970–71

    1971–72

    1972–73

    1973–74

    1974–75

    1975–76

    1976–77

    1977–78

    Estimate

    Specific duties—

    Oil1,394·41,443·01,555·21,586·71,549·11,541·92,067·32,400
    Tobacco1,142·51,125·31,184·71,086·51,339·51,679·31,874·9*2,150*
    Spirits371·5409·3459·0494·4554·8699·4868·7850
    Beer467·0482·8491·7365·1450·6652·4808·3885
    Wine74·987·3103·180·7105·7181·6226·7260
    British Wine/Made Wine17·919·120·813·923·229·637·945
    Cider and Perry4·010
    Matches and mechanical lighters10·811·111·18·98·78·17·910
    Betting and Gaming10·010·510·610·813·113·514·215

    Ad valorem duties—

    Purchase Tax1,271·81,430·01,389·1379·91·21·30·8
    VAT1,470·72,509·53,454·93,769·54,250
    Car Tax117·9122·3180·0218·0250
    Protective Duties259·8277·1348·8437·5501·0513·3675·8695
    Betting and Gaming120·4145·9160·8174·7225·5251·4270·1300
    No estimate can be given of the yield from specific duties if converted to ad valorem duties, since this would depend on the duty rates chosen, and on establishing a firm valuation base for duty, which would raise considerable difficulties.

    * These figures include revenue from ad valorem duty which has applied to cigarettes since May 1976 in addition to the specific duty on tobacco, figures for which are not separately available.

    Revenue And Expenditure

    asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer if he will publish the original forecasts of public expenditure, taxation revenue and public sector borrowing requirement, the subsequent

    £ billion
    FSBRLatest Outturn
    Public expenditure*Taxation revenue†PSBRPublic expenditure*Taxation revenue†PSBR
    1970–7122·019·6-0·222·519·40·8
    1971–7224·820·71·224·920·71·0
    1972–7328·621·73·428·421·92·5
    1973–7432·124·34·434·125·04·4
    1974–75‡39·031·32·7
    1974–75§42·931·16·345·431·88·0
    1975–7653·638·29·157·240·110·6
    1976–7764·745·512·064·646·58·8
    1977–7869·852·18·5
    * Total public sector expenditure; a narrower definition is now used in the public expenditure White Papers.
    † Includes National Insurance etc. contributions.
    ‡ Published 26th March 1974.
    § Published in Supplementary FSBR 1974–75, 12th November 1974
    I refer my hon. Friend to the

    Official Report for the changes to the PSBR and to public expenditure which I and my predecessors have announced to the House on specific occasions.

    Economic Planning

    asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer what contingency economic and employment plans the Government have should Western economies fail to reach the reflationary target set by the Downing Street Summit.

    The strong economies committed themselves at the Downing Street Summit meeting to targets for economic growth. To the extent that they fall short of these targets, there is less room for the other economies to expand their activity. The Government are joining with other nations in urging the strategy agreed by the IMF Interim Committee in September whereby the strongest economies should expand domestic demand and other economies should join in to the extent they can without prejudicing their financial stability.

    Reflation

    asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer what has been the total amount of reflation introduced by him in the past 12 months; and what its value would be expressed at 1974 prices.

    announced forecasts and actual outturns for the fiscal years 1970–71 to 1977–78

    The original forecasts, published in the Financial Statement and Budget Report (FSBR) in the years concerned compare with the outturn as follows:

    It is hardly meaningful to present a combined total of policy changes covering a year in which the underlying situation has changed significantly, but the main discretionary fiscal changes effecting 1977–78—announced on 15th December 1976, 29th March 1977, 15th July 1977 and 26th October 1977—amount to a net reduction in public expenditure of £0·8 billion at 1976 survey prices and £1·9 billion reduction in tax receipts—direct cost only, excluding the effects of the sale of BP shares. The direct effect in 1977–78 is to reduce the balance of revenue over expenditure by some £1 billion in 1977–78 prices, or £0·6 billion at 1974 prices, using the estimated GDP deflator.

    British Shipbuilders (Polish Joint Venture)

    asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer whether the Bank of England has yet given its approval under the Exchange Control Act 1947 to the investment in Poland by British Shipbuilders in Polsko Brytyjskie Przedsiewziecie Zeglugowe Sp. Z.Oo Szczecin.

    Pay Policy

    asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer how many years out of the last 17 working people have been subject to Government-determined pay policy; and if he will show against each pay policy period the rates of unemployment at the start and end, the rate of

    Unemployment (United Kingdom percentage unemployed seasonally adjusted)Growth (the growth rate has been measured as the increase in the GDP at factor cost in the quarter in which the policy commenced or ended, over the previous quarter)Investment (gross domestic fixed capital formation) (1970 prices)
    percentagequarterpercentageyear£m.
    Date on which policy commenced or ended—
    July 19611·31961 Q3-119616,361
    April 19622·01962 Q2+119626,374
    July 19661·31966 03+119668,097
    January 19671·91967 Q1
    February 19672·71967 Q1+1½19678,780
    August 19672·51967 Q3
    November 19723·51972 Q4+219729,862
    March 19732·91973 Q1+3½
    April 19732·81973 Q20
    October 19732·31973 Q4197310,283
    November 19732·21973 Q4
    July 19742·51974 Q3+1197410,124

    Beer, Wines And Spirits

    asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer what has been the increase in excise duty on (a) table wines, (b) forti-

    EXCISE DUTY RATES ON ALCOHOLIC DRINKS
    February 1974December 1977
    ££
    Table wine (per gallon)0·753·25
    Fortified wines:
    (a) 15–18 per cent, (per gallon)1·4753·75
    (b) 18–22 per cent, (per gallon)1·4754·415
    Beer at gravity of 1037° (per bulk barrel)8·9321·4896
    Spirits (per proof gallon)15·4527·09

    Coinage

    asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer what plans he has to increase the supply of 5p coins, in view of the intended alteration in public telephones which will necessitate greater use of these coins.

    No decision has been taken to alter telephone call boxes. However, if the change were made the Royal Mint would have no difficulty in meeting any extra demand for 5p coins that might arise.

    Low-Income Employees

    asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer if he will publish in the Official Report, for the latest year for which figures are available, the num-

    growth in economy at the start and end, and the rate of investment in each year of each period, at constant prices.

    c) beer, and ( d) spirits from February 1974 to the latest available date.

    These excise duties have increased as follows:bers of men and women, respectively, in part-time employment, excluding those over retirement age, whose earnings were too low for them to be eligible for income tax, breaking the figures down by marital status and numbers of dependent children.

    The information requested is not available and could not be obtained without a disproportionate expenditure of time and effort.

    Scotland

    asked the Prime Minister if he will detail the number of visits he has made to Scotland; how many times he spoke or gave interviews on the subject of unemployment; and how many times he forecast that Scottish unemployment would be reduced.

    I have visited Scotland several times since I became Prime Minister. Unemployment has naturally had high priority in discussions. It is not my usual practice to forecast levels of unemployment, and I have generally taken the opportunity to stress that the key to the reduction of unemployment in Scotland in the longer term lies in the success of the Government's policies to reduce inflation and to create a favourable climate for increased investment and industrial expansion.

    Fire Brigades Union

    asked the Prime Minister if he will make a statement on his meeting with the Fire Brigades Union.

    I refer the hon. Member to the reply which I gave to the right hon. Member for Roxburgh, Selkirk and Peebles (Mr. Steel) on 29th November.

    Tuc

    I refer my hon. Friend to the reply which I gave to the hon. Member for Hazel Grove (Mr. Arnold) on 8th November.

    Food Prices

    asked the Prime Minister what study he has made of the impact on prices and pay policy of the wide range of food price increases applying from January 1978 due to EEC pricing policies; if he will raise with fellow Heads of Government the matter of implementation of these price increases in the light of the Government's pay and prices policy; and if he will make a statement.

    On the first part of the Question I refer my hon. Friend to the reply which my right hon. Friend the Minister of State, Ministry of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food, gave to the hon. Member for Conway (Mr. Roberts) on 11th November. I do not propose to raise this particular matter with other EEC Heads of Government, but I have made clear the Government's policy on the restraint of food prices so that they are held to the minimum necessary for efficient production to the benefit of consumers.