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Volume 957: debated on Thursday 9 November 1978

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Written Answers To Questions

Thursday 9th November 1978

Strategic Arms Limitation Talks

Q4.

asked the Prime Minister if he will make a statement on the progress of the Strategic Arms Limitation Talks in so far as British interests are affected.

Progress in these talks has been marked by close consultation at all stages by the United States with the United Kingdom and other NATO allies. Her Majesty's Government welcome the progress that has been made so far and hope that it will soon be possible to bring them to a satisfactory conclusion. Both the United States and the Soviet Union have expressed a positive wish to reach an early agreement, and it seems possible that the outstanding contentious matters can be resolved by further negotiation. An important feature of such an agreement would be the dismantling of certain nuclear systems and this would constitute an important contribution to peace and detente.

President Carter

Q5.

asked the Prime Minister when he proposes next to meet President Carter.

Prime Minister (Engagements)

Q6.

asked the Prime Minister if he will list his official engagements for Thursday 9th November.

Q7.

asked the Prime Minister if he will provide a list of his official engagements for 9th November.

Q10.

asked the Prime Minister if he will list his official engagements for Thursday 9th November.

Q12.

asked the Prime Minister if he will list his official engagements for Thursday 9th November.

Q13.

asked the Prime Minister whether he will list his public engagements for 9th November.

Q21.

asked the Prime Minister if he will list his official engagements for 9th November.

Q23.

asked the Prime Minister if he will list his public engagements for Thursday 9th November.

Q24.

asked the Prime Minister if he will list his official engagements for Thursday 9th November.

Q26.

asked the Prime Minister if he will list his official engagements for 9th November.

Q27.

asked the Prime Minister if he will list his official engagements for Thursday 9th November.

Q33.

asked the Prime Minister if he will list his official engagements for 9th November.

Q34.

asked the Prime Minister whether he will list his official engagements for 9th November.

Q35.

asked the Prime Minister if he will list his official engagements for 9th November.

Q36.

asked the Prime Minister if he will list his official engagements for 9th November.

Q38.

asked the Prime Minister if he will list his official engagements for 9th November.

Q41.

asked the Minister if he will list his official engage-engagements for 9th November.

Q44.

asked the Prime Minister if he will list his official engagements for Thursday 9th November.

This morning I presided at a meeting of the Cabinet. In addition to my duties in this House, I shall be holding further meetings with ministerial colleagues and others.

Tuc And Cbi

Tuc And Cbi

Q8.

Q15.

Q17.

Q19.

Q20.

Q9.

I refer the hon. Member and my hon. Friends to the reply which I gave earlier today to my hon. Friend the Member for Bolsover (Mr. Skinner).

Q32.

asked the Prime Minister when he last met representatives of the TUC and CBI.

I refer the hon. Member to the reply which I gave earlier today to my hon. Friend the Member for Southampton, Test (Mr. Gould).

Q39.

I meet representatives of the CBI from time to time, at NEDC and on other occasions. Further meetings will be arranged as necessary.

South Africa

Q11.

asked the Prime Minister whether he will pay an official visit to South Africa.

City Of London

Q18.

asked the Prime Minister if he will pay an official visit to the City of London.

National Economic Development Council

Q22.

asked the Prime Minister when he next expects to take the chair at the NEDC.

Q30.

Nether Alderley

Q25.

asked the Prime Minister if he has any plans to visit Nether Alderley.

Bank Of England

Q31.

asked the Prime Minister when he expects next to meet the Governor of the Bank of England.

Secretary Of State For Industry

Q37.

asked the Prime Minister if he will list the responsibilities he has allocated to the Secretary of State for Industry.

The Secretary of State for Industry is responsible for general industrial policy, including the Government's industrial strategy, and financial assistance to industry, though some of his responsibilities in the latter field relate only to England. He sponsors the National Enterprise Board, the British Steel Corporation, the Post Office, Cable and Wireless Limited, British Aerospace and British Shipbuilders, as well as the general manufacturing industries. The Secretary of State is also responsible for industrial research and the operation of the Government's industrial research establishments, and for the business statistics office.

Newcastle Upon Tyne

Q40.

asked the Prime Minister if he will pay an official visit to Newcastle upon Tyne.

Broadcasting (Ministerial Duties)

Q43.

asked the Prime Minister if he plans any changes in the allocation of ministerial duties regarding broadcasting.

The hon. Member may assume that I do not intend to make any changes in departmental organisation or responsibilities unless and until I make a statement to the contrary.

Merseyside

Civil Service

Appointments (Classified Information Posts)

asked the Minister for the Civil Service what is the policy of the Government towards the appointment of homosexuals to Civil Service posts handling documents and information of a high security classification.

Homosexuality is not in itself a bar to employment in the Civil Service on work involving access to classified information. There are no hard and fast rules relating to the employment of homosexuals on work of this nature; each case is considered on its merits.

Education And Science

Bromley Local Education Authority

asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science when she last met representatives of the Bromley local education authority.

There are regular contacts at official level between my Department and the Bromley local education authority. Members of the authority have not asked to see my right hon. Friend, and she has not had any occasion to ask to see them.

School Staffing Ratios

asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science if there will be an improvement in staffing ratios of schools in 1979–80; and if reasonable central support will be available to secure this.

Forward expenditure plans, as published in Cmnd. 7049, allow for a continued improvement in overall pupil-teacher ratios in the school year 1979–80. Details will be announced after the rate support grant settlement for 1979–80—financial year—is announced on 24th November.

Nursery Education

asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science if she will list the 18 education authorities with the worst record of educational provision for children under five.

The latest available statistics show that the percentage of the 3 and 4-year-old population receiving education—that is either in nursery schools and classes, or in primary schools—was lowest in the following 18 local education authorities:

  • Bexley
  • Bromley
  • Buckinghamshire
  • Devon
  • Dorset
  • Essex
  • Gloucestershire
  • Hampshire
  • Hereford and Worcester
  • Kent
  • Oxfordshire
  • Redbridge
  • Salop
  • Surrey
  • Sutton
  • Trafford
  • West Sussex
  • Wiltshire

Home Department

Firearms And Shot-Guns

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department if he is satisfied that the conditions printed on a firearms certificate and a shot-gun certificate are explicit and adequate to guide the owner of a firearm or shot-gun concerning the requirements specified in the Firearms Act 1968.

Yes. The conditions printed on a shot-gun certificate and a firearm certificate, prescribed in rules 2 and 11 of the Firearms Rules 1969, are not intended to be a guide to the full provisions of the Firearms Act 1968.

High Point Prison, Suffolk

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department if any prisoners convicted of sex offences are currently serving sentences at High Point prison in Suffolk; whether any of these have been regraded during the past 12 months; and whether he has changed his policy that High Point will be used for category C and D prisoners only.

On 3rd November 1978 four prisoners convicted of sexual offences were serving sentences of imprisonment at High Point. All were allocated to security category C in 1978. There has been no change of current policy as regards the use of this establishment for category C and category D prisoners only.

Prevention Of Terrorism

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department how many persons have been detained under the provisions of the Prevention of Terrorism (Temporary Provisions) Act; how many have been subsequently charged with offences; and with what offences they have been charged.

3,555 people have been detained in Great Britain under the Prevention of Terrorism (Temporary Provisions) Act 1974 and 1976. An extension of detention under section 7 of the 1974 Act or section 12 of the 1976 Act has been approved in 288 cases; a further 721 people were detained for 48 hours or less. 2,546 people have been detained pending further examination at ports under the supplemental orders made under the Acts.147 people detained under the Acts have been charged with offences in Great Britain. Twenty of them have been charged with offences under the Acts. Four of the remainder have been charged with murder; three with attempted murder; one with conspiracy to murder 18 with conspiracy to cause explosions; 12 with unlawful possession of explosives; one with conspiracy to possess or procure explosives with intent to endanger life; 12 with offences under the Firearms Act 1968; one with causing an explosion; five with conspiracy to defraud the Inland Revenue; 22 with theft; eight with burglary; one with causing criminal damage; one with threatening to cause criminal damage; one with attempting criminal deception; one with taking a motor vehicle; one with unlawful wounding; two with possession of drugs; three with wasting police time; one with harbouring a person known to have committed an arrestable offence; four with assault on police; one with being found on enclosed premises; one with possessing an offensive weapon; four with offences under the Road Traffic Act 1972; five with criminal deception; one with obtaining a passport by deception; one with arson; and six with non-payment of fines. In addition, five people have been removed to the Irish Republic, and there charged, three with burglary; one with robbery; and one with theft.Thirty-five people have been returned to Northern Ireland, and there charged, eight with murder; four with robbery; five with firearms offences; four with unlawful possession of explosives; five with causing an explosion; one with the unlawful taking of a motor vehicle; five with burglary; two with arson; and one with riotous behaviour.

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department how many persons have been charged with offences under the Prevention of Terrorism (Temporary Provisions) Act; and under which sections of the Act the charges have been brought.

Twenty-four people have been charged in Great Britain with offences under the Prevention of Terrorism (Temporary Provisions) Act 1976: three under sections 10(1)(a); two under sections 10(1)(a)and 10(2); two under section 10(1); eight under section 10(1)(b); three under section 1(1)(b); two under section 9(1); two under section 9(2)(a); and two under section 11(1). Four people were charged in Great Britain under section 1(1)(b) of the Prevention of Terrorism (Temporary Provisions) Act 1974. Not all these people were initially detained under the Prevention of Terrorism (Temporary Provisions) Acts.

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department how many persons have been served with exclusion orders under the Prevention of Terrorism (Temporary Provisions) Act; how many have been deported (a) to Northern Ireland and (b) the Republic of Ireland; how many have appealed against exclusion orders; and how many appeals have been successful.

156 exclusion orders have been made under the Prevention of Terrorism (Temporary Provisions) Acts 1974 and 1976. Notice of the making of an exclusion order has been served on 148 people, 141 of whom have been removed, 116 to Northern Ireland and 25 to the Republic of Ireland. Twenty-four of the 148 made representations objecting to the order. The order was revoked in seven of these cases. One case is still under consideration.

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department whether he has refused an extension of five days to the police for the holding of a suspect under the Prevention of Terrorism Act; and, if so, on how many occasions.

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department of the charges brought against suspects initially held under the Prevention of Terrorism Act, whether any have been dropped before the case was heard; if so, which charges; whether any charges have led to an unsuccessful prosecution; if so, which charges; whether any charges have led to a successful prosecution; and if so, what was the sentence imposed in each case.

Details of the outcome of the more serious charges made in Great Britain are as follows:

Charges for offences under the Prevention of Terrorism (Temporary Provisions) Act 1974 (4)

Four people were charged under section 1(1)(b). Three were acquitted, and one was convicted and sentenced to six months' imprisonment and fined £400.

Charges for offences under the Prevention of Terrorism (Temporary Provisions) Act 1976 (16)

Three people have been charged under section 1(1)(b). One was convicted and sentenced to one day's imprisonment and the other two await trial. Two people have been charged and convicted under section 9(1); one was fined £50; the other was sentenced to three months' imprisonment. Two people have been charged and convicted under section 9(2)(a); one was fined £100 the other was sentenced to three months' imprisonment.
Two people have been charged under sections 10(1)(a) and 10(2). They were convicted and sentenced to eight years' and two years' imprisonment respectively. Two people have been charged under section 10(1). One was convicted and sentenced to 10 years' imprisonment; the other was acquitted.
Three people have been charged under section 10(1)(a) and are awaiting trial. Two people have been charged under section 11(1). One was acquitted but sentenced to two years' imprisonment on another charge; the other was sentenced to three months' imprisonment.

Murder (4)

Four people have been charged; three have been convicted and sentenced to life imprisonment; in the other case, the charge was not proceeded with.

Attempted Murder (3)

Three people have been charged, convicted and sentenced to life imprisonment.

Conspiracy to Murder (1)

One person has been charged and is awaiting trial.

Conspiracy to cause explosions (18)

Eighteen people have been charged and fourteen convicted. Two have been sentenced to 20 years' imprisonment; one to 15 years' imprisonment; one to 14 years' imprisonment, one to 12 years', six to 10 years', one to seven years', one to five years', and one to four years'. Two cases were not proceeded with, and two are awaiting trial.

Unlawful possession of explosives (12)

Twelve people have been charged; one has been acquitted and 10 have been convicted. Two were sentenced to 14 years' imprisonment, two to 12 years' imprisonment, two to 10 years', one to seven years', one to five years' and two to four years'. One person is awaiting trial.

Conspiracy to possess or procure explosives with intent to endanger life (1)

One person has been charged and acquitted.

Offences under the Firearms Act 1968 (12)

Twelve people have been charged and convicted. Two were sentenced to two years' imprisonment, two were sentenced to 12 months' imprisonment (suspended) and fined £100; one was fined £150, one £105, one £100, one £60, one £25 and one £20; one was sentenced to three months' imprisonment. In one case the person concerned was admonished and ordered to forfeit his firearms and ammunition.

Police Force

Number of Detentions

Number of Applications for Extensions of Detention

England—

Metropolitan Police799104
Avon and Somerset Constabulary393
Bedfordshire Police470
Cambridgeshire Constabulary00
Cheshire Constabulary81
City of London Police248
Cleveland Constabulary71
Cumbria Constabulary42
Derbyshire Constabulary10
Devon and Cornwall Constabulary305
Dorset Police160
Durham Constabulary00

Causing an explosion (1)

One person has been charged, convicted and sentenced to 14 years' imprisonment.

Persons returned to Northern Ireland and there charged

Murder (8)

Eight people have been charged; one was convicted and sentenced to life imprisonment, and seven are awaiitng trial.

Robbery (4)

Four people have been charged; one was convicted and sentenced to five years' imprisonment, one was sentenced to a term of borstal training and two people are awaiting trial.

Firearms Offences (5)

Five people have been charged and three convicted. One was sentenced to four years' imprisonment (suspended), one to two years' imprisonment (suspended) and one to three months' imprisonment (suspended). Two are awaiting trial.

Unlawful possession of explosives (4)

Four people have been charged; in one case, the charge was not proceeded with, and one is awaiting trial. One person was convicted and sentenced to five years' imprisonment and one person was sentenced to nine months' detention.

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department whether he will publish in the Official Report the number of arrests and detentions by each regional police force of persons within their area under the terms of the Prevention of Terrorism (Temporary Provisions) Act; in how many cases applications were made for detention to be extended by a further five days; and in how many cases it was refused.

The total numbers of persons detained in England and Wales under the Prevention of Terrorism (Temporary Provisions) Acts 1974 and 1976 for each police force are as follows:

Police Force

Number of Detentions

Number of Applications for Extensions of Detention

Essex Police376
Gloucestershire Constabulary110
Greater Manchester Police613
Hampshire Constabulary14867
Hertfordshire Constabulary00
Humberside Constabulary50
Kent Constabulary469
Lancashire Constabulary675
Leicestershire Constabulary80
Lincolnshire Constabulary20
Merseyside Police92418
Norfolk Constabulary00
Northamptonshire Police201
Northumbria Police50
North Yorkshire Police10
Nottinghamshire Constabulary30
South Yorkshire Police10
Staffordshire Police00
Suffolk Police80
Surrey Constabulary8225
Sussex Police310
Thames Valley Police175
Warwickshire Constabulary00
West Mercia Constabulary21
West Midlands Police1069
West Yorkshire (Metropolitan) Police1277
Wiltshire Constabulary30

Wales—

Dyfed Powys Police590
Gwent Constabulary32
North Wales Police530
South Wales Constabulary612
2,866284
In addition, 689 people have been detained under the legislation in Scotland, in respect of four of whom extensions of detention were granted.
In no case has an application for an extension of detention been refused.

Police (Wales)

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department whether, and if so, to what extent, the

Strength
Authorised EstablishmentOrdinary dutyVacanciesDeficiency percentage
Dyfed Powys91690790·98
Gwent974942323·29
North Wales1,2761,241352·74
South Wales3,0692,8701996·48
TOTAL6,2355,9602754·41

Civil Prisoners

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department under what statutory provision the position of civil prisoners is defined; in what way their treatment differs from that of prisoners serving sentences of imprisonment; and if he will make a statement.

four police forces in Wales are currently below establishment.

The term "civil prisoner" is used for administrative convenience within the prison service to denote prisoners committed or attached for contempt of court, or for failing to do something required by the court. Under prison rule 63(1) certain privileges enjoyed by unconvicted prisoners are extended to them. These privileges relate to clothing, letters and visits and are defined in rules 20(1) and 34(1).

Unlicensed Firearms

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department, in view of the growing practice of sheikhs and other high ranking Arabs travelling with guards carrying unlicensed firearms, what action he intends to take.

None. The unauthorised possession of firearms is an offence against the law, the enforcement if which is a matter for the police.

Public Bodies (Members' Pay And Expenses)

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department what annual increases in the rates of pay of the chairman, deputy chairman and commissioners of the Equal Opportunities Commission have been introduced since April 1976; and what were the expenses claimed by each during the last year for which figures were available.

Details of the salaries paid to the full-time chairman and deputy chairman of the Equal Opportunities Commission are available in the directory of paid public appointments. Part-time commissioners receive a fee for each day's attendance. On 1st April 1976, the fee payable was £16 per day. This has been increased to ££17 per day from 1st July 1976. £18 per day from 1st July 1977 and £19.50 from 1st July 1978.The expenses claimed during the 1977–78 financial year by the chairman, deputy chairman and commissioners totalled £25,574. Individual figures cannot be provided without disproportionate effort.

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department what annual increases in the rates of pay of the chairman, deputy chairman and members of the Commission for Racial Equality have been introduced since 1976; and what were the expenses claimed by each during the last year for which figures are available.

The Commission for Racial Equality was established on 13th June 1977. At that time, the salaries paid to the full-time chairman and deputy chairman were £12,000 per annum and £8,000 per annum—excluding pay supplements—respectively. These were increased to £13,430 and £9,375 from 1st January 1978.The part-time commissioners, who include two part-time deputy chairmen, receive a fee for each day's attendance. On 13th June 1977, the fee payable was £17 per day. This has been increased to £18 per day from 1st July 1977 and to £1950 per day from 1st July 1978.The expenses claimed during the 1977–78 financial year by the chairman, deputy chairman and commissioners totalled £7,595. Individual figures cannot be provided without disproportionate effort.

Local Radio Stations

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department when he expects to announce the establishment of a local radio station to cover the areas of the Thamesdown borough council and the Kennet district council.

I announced my approval in principle for the locations of 18 new stations in the first phase of local radio expansion on 24th October.—[Vol. 955, c. 861–2.] The Home Office local radio working party is continuing its consideration of the future development of local radio to fulfil the Government's intention that local radio should be brought to as much of the population of the United Kingdom as possible as soon as possible. The working party will publish reports on the possibilities from time to time and I will reach decisions on the working party's proposals in the light of comments from the public and after such further consultation with the BBC and the IBA as may be necessary.I hope to be in a position to announce the locations of further new local radio stations in the course of 1979.

Firearms (Licensing)

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department what are the criteria for the granting of a licence to deal in arms; and what assessment is made of the applicant's character before such a licence is granted.

Any person who applies to the chief officer of police for the area in which his business is situated is entitled to be registered as a firearms dealer unless (a) he is prohibited under the Firearms Act 1968 from being registered; or (b) the chief officer is satisfied that he cannot be permitted to carry on business as a dealer in firearms without danger to the public or to the peace.In considering an application the chief officer of police would have regard to the character and background of the applicant, his experience and knowledge of firearms, and the security of his premises.

"Prison Medical Journal"

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department if he will place in the Library a copy of the article in the Prison Medical Journal referred to The Sunday Times of 22nd October 1978.

Yes. I am arranging for the last issue and future issues of the Prison Medical Journal to be placed in the Library.

Kingston Upon Thames (Violent Crime)

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department if he will publish a table in the Official Report to show the absolute and percentage increases in crimes involving violence in each year since 1970 in the Royal borough of Kingston upon Thames.

Environment

Inner Cities

27.

asked the Secretary of State for the Environment if he is satisfied with the progress of discussions with programme authorities on the inner cities policy.

All 15 programme authorities have now submitted their first inner area programmes, putting together the views of all the agencies involved and presenting a co-ordinated strategy for action in the areas where the problems are most severe. The programmes are currently being considered and authorities will be informed of the outcome soon.

Blocks Of Flats (Co-Ownership)

asked the Secretary of State for the Environment what consultations he has had on extending the idea of the co-ownership of blocks of flats; and if he will make a statement.

I am still considering the whole range of problems facing tenants and leaseholders of blocks of flats. My Department is in touch with organisations representing residents in such blocks.

Wildlife Preservation

asked the Secretary of State for the Environment whether he will bring forward proposals to ensure that the importance of the area as wildlife habitat is one of the criteria taken into account when considering applications for major development and reclamation.

This has been done. The importance of nature conservation and concern that it should be fully taken into account when planning decisions are taken were expressed in circular 108/77. My right hon. Friend looks to local authorities to take full account of nature conservation factors both in formulating structure and local plans and in the consideration of individual planning applications.

Liverpool Street Station

asked the Secretary of State for the Environment whether he has yet received any proposals for the redevelopment of Liverpool Street station; and whether he will make a statement.

I called in proposals submitted by the British Railways board in 1976 to demolish and redevelop Liverpool Street and Broad Street stations with improved underground and bus interchanges, offices, shops and community facilities. A public inquiry was held and the Inspector reported in October 1977. These are major and complex proposals, and their full consideration is necessarily taking rather longer than usual. I will make a statement when I announce the decision on the scheme, which I hope to do soon.

Housing Policy (Technical Information)

asked the Secretary of State for the Environment if he will provide the information necessary to up-date Tables VIII 2, 5, 25 and 26 in Technical

TABLE VIII.2 (REVISED): CHANGES IN THE STOCK OF LOCAL AUTHORITY DWELLINGS: ENGLAND AND WALES
Thousands
1975–761976–771977–78*
Total at start of year4,7484,8704,902
Gains
Completions112109104
Acquisitions (from developers)1NilNil
Acquisitions (others)162214
Net gain from conversions122
Total gains130133120
Losses
Sales2614
Slum clearance111
Temporary houses demolished321
Other losses222
Total losses81118
Total at end of year4,8704,9925,094†
Net Gain122122102
Discretionary improvements413331
*Provisional figures; partly estimated and subject to revisions.
†Excludes 94,000 new town dwellings transferred on 1st April 1978.
TABLE VIII.5 (REVISED): TYPES OF HOUSES IN LOCAL AUTHORITY HOUSING STOCK: ENGLAND AND WALES 1978
Thousands
Pre 19451945–641965 or laterAll ages
Houses and Bungalows
One bedroom198074173
Two bedrooms190362182734
Three bedrooms7531,0234242,200
Total9621,4656803,107
Flats
One bedroom39242403684
Two bedrooms 45347294686
Three bedrooms28116114258
Total1127058111,628
Dwellings with four or more bedrooms (houses and flats)475551153
Unclassified (mostly acquired by purchase)*......206
Total1,1212,2251,5425,094
*The 170,000 acquired dwellings shown in table VIII.3 of technical volume 3 of the housing policy Green Paper, plus "acquisitions" in 1976–77 and 1977–78 as shown in table VIII.2 (revised). Detail of dwellings sold, or withdrawn from the stock in other ways, is not sufficient to allocate them other than pro rata. For this reason, and because the returns are not complete, the figures in this table are estimates that cannot be relied on to the nearest 1,000.

Volume III of the Green Paper "Housing Policy", Command Paper No. 6851, to 1st April 1978 or the latest convenient date.

The revised tables are as follows:

TABLE VIII.25 (REVISED): AVERAGE LOCAL AUTHORITY RENTS BY TYPE, AGE AND SIZE OF DWELLING AT APRIL 1978: ENGLAND AND WALES
£ a week
Dwellings built before 1945Dwellings built 1945–64Dwellings built since 1964Dwellings completed in 1977–78
Houses
Two bedrooms4·875·576·406·96
Three bedrooms5·336·177·067·75
Bungalows
Two bedrooms3·884·465·065·57
Three bedrooms4·494·895·756·43
Flats
One bedroom4·054·825·395·86
Two bedrooms5·115·836·587·35
Three bedrooms5·816·807·528·99
Note: The figures for dwellings built before 1945 and in 1945–64 refer to the same dwellings—apart from there being a few differences in the District Councils providing figures—as the corresponding figures in table VIII.25 in technical volume III of the housing policy Green Paper. But the rents of dwellings built since 1964 include in addition dwellings completed in 1976–77 and 1977–78—about 213,000—see the revised table VIII.2.
TABLE VIII.26 (REVISED): CHANGES IN AVERAGE LOCAL AUTHORITY RENTS BY TYPE OF DWELLING 1969–78
31st March 1969 (£ a week)1st April 1978 (£ a week)Increase (£ a week)Increase (per cent.)
Two bedroom houses
Pre 19451·564·873·31212
1945–641·955·573·62186
Three bedroom houses
Pre 19451·755·333·58205
1945–642·166·174·01186
One bedroom flats
Pre 19451·364·052·69198
1945–641·764·823·06174
Two bedroom flats
Pre 19451·915·113·20168
1945–642·255·833·58159
Three bedroom flats
Pre 19452·115·813·70175
1945–642·826·803·98141
Note: The reference in the note to table VIII.25 (revised) about comparability with table VIII.25 of technical volume III applies also to this table.

Sports Council

asked the Secretary of State for the Environment if the recent increase in the grant to the Sports Council applies solely for the remainder of the current financial year; and if the grants for 1979–80 and 1980–81 will be increased at the same rate.

The increase that I announced recently is for the current financial year. The level of grant-in-aid for 1979–80 has yet to be decided.

Returnable Containers

Mr.

asked the Secretary of State for the Environment what progress the Waste Management Advisory Council has made on its deliberation on the public benefits of returnable containers;

and when he proposes to take steps to introduce mandatory deposits on all containers of edible liquids to encourage their return.

The working party which is examining the environmental and economic implications of different container systems expects to report early next year. I hope that this study will provide the basis for a decision on whether restrictions on non-returnable containers are needed.

Rate Support Grant

asked the Secretary of State for the Environment what was the amount of rate support grant payable to the Kent county council in each of the years 1968–69 to 1978–79; what was the value of the grant in real terms related to 1968–69 prices; and what proportion of the county's total expenditure this represented in each year.

The amount paid in rate support grant to the Kent county council for each of the years 1968–69 to

YearsGrantGrant expressed at 1968–69 pricesPercentage of total expenditure
££%
1968–6934,334,61934,334,61956·55
1969–7039,611,23838,051,14158·95
1970–7145,892,05240,504,90061·22
1971–7253,687,27842,575,16158·63
1972–7363,365,21046,184,55558·57
1973–7476,303,13951,175,81459·98
1974–7581,806,63645,022,91545·10
1975–7693,595,27341,468,88542·44
1976–7796,764,22137,887,36138·55
1977–7898,039,50634,581,83635·94
1978–7991,890,22029,461,43630–16
For the period 1968–69 to 1973–74 these figures include the payments made to the former Canterbury county borough whose major functions were transferred to the county council in the local government reorganisation in 1974; they include both the resources and needs elements of rate support grant which were payable to these authorities at that time. Since 1974–75 only the needs element is paid direct to the county council and therefore the figures shown do not include resources element.

asked the Secretary of State for the Environment what was the value of rate support grant per head of population paid to local authorities in Hertfordshire, the inner London area, and the outer London area in 1978–79; what was the average rate income per head of population in each of these areas; and what are the corresponding figures for each of the last five years.

HertfordshireInner LondonOuter London
Grant per headRate income per headGrant per headRate income per headGrant per headRate income per head
££££££
1973–746260561305262
1974–7579701031527272
1975–761029012624095108
1976–77105109160275110113
1977–7897128149283127115
1978–7998140158298143117
An increase order has yet to be made in respect of 1978–79 grant.

Community Land Act (House Construction)

asked the Secretary of State for the Environment how many houses are being erected or are being completed in England on land provided under the Community Land Act.

Comprehensive information is not available, but land for at least 1,600–1,700 houses has been made available to private developers under the community land scheme and we estimate that at least a half of the houses have

1977–78 and the latest figures for 1978–79, together with the estimated value of the grant, in each of the years, related to 1968–69 prices; and the proportion of the county's total expenditure this represented is as follows:

The amounts paid in rate support grant per head of population to local authorities in Hertfordshire, the inner London area, and the outer London area, for each of the years from 1973—74 to 1977—78, and the latest estimates for 1978–79, together with the average rate income per head of population in each of these areas over the corresponding period, are set out below:been completed or started. Many other houses are being built on land owned by authorities before 6th April 1976 and subsequently released to private house-builders.

Inner Urban Areas Act

asked the Secretary of State for the Environment what is the average percentage for districts designated in London under the Inner Urban Areas Act for each of the following categories, together with the equivalent percentage in respect of the London borough of Camden (a) population loss, (b) over-crowded households, (c) single parent families, (d) pensioners, (e) unemployed, and (f) lack of basic amenities.

The decision to designate particular districts took into account the scale and intensity of social and economic

(a)(b)(c)(d)(e) †(f)
Estimated population lossOvercrowded householdsSingle-parent familiesPensionersUnemployedHouses lacking basic amenities
Average of desig-19,4003,6973,96037,9985,74329,754
nated London8·3%4·2%4·5%15·9%34·2%
Boroughs*
Camden16,9374,4613,21031,9343,79629,723
8·2%5·4%3·9%17·4%36·2%
Notes:
*Brent, Ealing, Greenwich, Hackney, Hammersmith, Haringey, Islington, Lambeth, Lewisham, Newham, Southwark, Tower Hamlets, Wandsworth.
† Unemployment rates are not available separately for individual London boroughs. The figures in the table are based on the total unemployed registered at the local unemployment and careers offices primarily serving each borough. For Camden the figures are those of the Camden Town local employment office area.

Housing (Glc Investment Programme)

asked the Secretary of State for the Environment whether the housing investment programme, submitted to him by the Greater London Council, includes details of the proportion of the work on its construction branch contracts that is carried out by private sub-contractors; and if he will publish this information.

British Urban Development Services Unit

asked the Secretary of State for the Environment whether he has completed his consideration of the future of the British urban development services unit.

Yes. In view of the limited success which the unit has achieved since it was established I have decided that it should be wound up. I am, however, satisfied that a number of overseas governments remain interested in drawing on the experience and skills of our new towns. My Department has taken over responsibility for the unit's outstanding commitments and will serve as a focal point to deal with any further inquiries for British new town development expertise. These requests will be channelled to the new town development corporations which has set up an overseas engage-

deprivation and also their concentration in parts of those districts. Averages for groups of complete districts can therefore be misleading.

The figures requested are shown in the table below:

ment committee to provide a co-ordinated response to such approaches.

Transport

Vehicle Licensing

asked the Secretary of State for Transport how much will be saved in administrative expenses by the ending of the current scheme for vehicle licensing.

It is estimated that abolition of vehicle excise duty on petrol-driven vehicles would save about £20 million annually in staff and general administrative costs.

Dipped Headlights

asked the Secretary of State for Transport if he is satisfied with the law relating to the use of dipped lights; and whether the research concluded by his Department in January 1978 will produce any alteration in policy.

My right hon. Friend has no proposals at present for changing the law on the use of dipped headlamps. But he is prepared to consider any representations on the matter.

Traffic Management

asked the Secretary of State for Transport what consideration has been given by his Department to the introduction of traffic management schemes now operating in other countries, notably the United States of America, which in the United Kingdom would permit traffic to turn left against a red traffic light at all junctions.

We regard the North American practice as unacceptable for this country. In the United Kingdom a red light has always meant "stop" for all drivers, whether they propose to turn or go ahead, unless a green arrow signal points to a permitted direction of travel. To allow a left turn against a red signal would devalue the message and lessen road safety.The United Kingdom rule about the red light applies also on the Continent, and indeed the Vienna convention on traffic signs and signals, to which we conform, does not permit turns against red signals in the absence of positive arrows.

A2 (Traffic Statistics)

asked the Secretary of State for Transport if he will publish the latest traffic statistics taken at measurement points on the A2 between the Blackwall tunnel and the Greater London Council boundary together with comparative statistics available for dates five years, 10 years, 20 years and 40 years ago and forecasts of future levels of traffic.

The following data are available for 16-hour traffic flows on the trunk road section of the A2 recorded at sites in the London borough of Bexley either side of Danson Road:

ESTIMATED AUGUST TRAFFIC FLOW (0600–2200 HOURS)
YearSite A (to West)Site B (to East)
19549,81411,939
195914,00916,997
196524,09828,745
197132,413
1972..43,108
197639,161..
1977..50,597
.. Not available.
Ten years hence we expect the flow at site B to be about 65,000 vehicles per 16-hour day.From the Bexley-Greenwich boundary westwards towards Kidbrooke and the Blackwall tunnel A102 the route is a metropolitan principal road for which the Greater London Council is the highway authority.

Employment

Government Contracts

asked the Secretary of State for Employment what steps he is taking to monitor the equal opportunity policies of firms carrying out contracts for the Government, as proposed in the White Paper on racial discrimination.

In the White Paper "Racial Discrimination" the Government proposed to take a more active role in eliminating racial discrimination in employment by making it a standard condition of Government contracts that contractors should provide on request to the Department of Employment such information about their employment policies and practices as the Department might reasonably require. Proposals for procedures to implement this undertaking have now been prepared and will shortly be the subject of consultations with the CBI, the TUC and the Commission for Racial Equality.

Petroleum (Storage)

asked the Secretary of State for Employment (1) how many liquid petroleum gas storage sites, containing 15 tons or more, there are in (a) England and (b) Wales; and what percentage of them, in each case, is sited in urban areas;(2) whether there has been a reduction from 100 tons to 15 tons in the definition of liquid petroleum gas storage sites regarded as major hazard sites; and if he will give the date of the change.

I understand from the chairman of the Health and Safety Commission that there has been no change in the quantity of liquefied petroleum gas currently specified in guidance to planning authorities as the criteria for identifying major hazard sites. Information about the number of LPG sites containing 15 tons or more is not, therefore, readily available centrally and could only be provided at disproportionate cost of administrative and inspectoral resources.The Health and Safety Commission has recently published a consultative document containing its proposals for hazardous installations (notification and survey) regulations. Such regulations would make the kind of information sought more readily available in future.

asked the Secretary of State for Employment what action he proposes, in the interests of public safety, to end the anomaly whereby the storage of liquefied petroleum gas is in the majority of cases free from licensing control whereas that of liquefied natural gas is controlled.

I am informed by the chairman of the Health and Safety Commission that although, in contrast to liquefied natural gas, the storage of liquefied petroleum gas is not subject to the licensing controls of the Petroleum (Consolidation) Act 1928, there are, in premises subject to the Factories Act 1961, requirements for the siting, storage and marking of containers for such gases under regulation 7 of the Highly Flammable Liquids and Liquefied Petroleum Gases Regulations 1972. In addition, the Health and Safety Commission has agreed to a review and updating of the legislation governing highly flammable liquids and gases. Preliminary work has already commenced on the preparation of a code of regulations for fuel gases which will include controls on the storage of both liquefied petroleum gas and liquid natural gas. A consultative document setting out proposals for the regulations is to be published.

Trades Union Congress (Staff Pay)

asked the Secretary of State for Employment what action he proposes to take in the light of the TUC's intention to give increases in pay to its staff beyond the Government's pay limit.

I have nothing to add to my reply of 24th October 1978 to my hon. Friend the Member for Newham, North-West (Mr. Lewis)—[Vol. 955, c. 818.]

Special Temporary Employment Programme

asked the Secretary of State for Employment what progress has been made in setting up a scheme to involve private sector companies in projects for building and landscaping work under the Manpower Services Commission's special temporary employment programme.

I am informed by the Manpower Services Commission that arrangements have now been agreed with trade unions and employers' organisations in the building and landscape industries which will allow schemes funded under the special temporary employment programme—STEP—to be linked with local authority contracts for building and landscape work in inner city areas.The arrangements will run initially for one year and will apply in those inner city areas which the Government have designated as being in need of special help. They will enable STEP funds to be used to provide temporary jobs for the long-term unemployed on building and landscape work put out to contract by local authorities. The main features of the scheme are:

  • (a) Local authorities in consultation with the Manpower Services Commission will identify suitable building and landscape work on publicly owned land and property in the inner city.
  • (b) Contracts will be put out to tender in the normal way, and the local authority will ask the contractor to state the number of jobs he can make available on the project to the long-term unemployed—normally the unskilled element of the work force; the successful contractor may be either a private firm or local authority direct labour department.
  • (c) MSC will be able to fund as a project under STEP the element of the tender which is to provide jobs for the long-term unemployed.
  • (d) As with normal STEP projects, schemes will need the approval of the MSC's area board which includes representatives from local trade unions, employers, local authorities and voluntary organisations.
  • I very much welcome this new initiative as a small but important contribution to the development of the special temporary employment programme. It should provide between 500 and 1,000 temporary jobs for the long-term unemployed. It will assist private companies and direct labour departments to maintain permanent employment for their skilled workers. And it will also enable local authorities to increase the work being carried out to improve our inner cities.

    Energy

    United Kingdom Continental Shelf (Hydrocarbon Installations)

    asked the Secretary of State for Energy how many separate installations are located on the United Kingdom Continental Shelf for the purpose of providing hydrocarbons, including auxiliary function in connection therewith.

    There are at present some 74 offshore installations on the United Kingdom Continental Shelf engaged in the development of the nation's oil and gas resources. This figure includes oil production platforms, gas production platforms and mobile rigs whether employed on drilling work or as accommodation units, but excludes unmanned offshore loading buoys and support vessels—for example, diving ships, barges, safety ships, etc. The number fluctuates with the movement of mobile units, and the installations greatly vary in size.

    Marathon Shipyard, Clydebank

    asked the Secretary of State for Energy if he will issue a direction to the British National Oil Corporation to give a second order for the construction of a drilling rig by Marathon at Clydebank, in view of the critical order position at the yard; and, if not, whether he will make a statement on the future of the yard and the contribution it will make to Scotland's exports of oil industry equipment.

    Urgent discussions are in progress involving a number of potential part users of a jack-up rig, and in which my Department is also engaged, with a view to an order being placed with the Marathon yard at Clydebank. However, this is a complex issue and I cannot at this stage anticipate the outcome. Meanwhile, the question of directing BNOC to acquire such a rig does not arise.

    Conservation

    asked the Secretary of State for Energy what are the detailed arrangements for the United Kingdom energy conservation demonstration projects programme.

    The Department of Energy is today publishing Energy Paper No. 32—"Energy Conservation Research, Development and Demonstration—an initial strategy for industry". This sets out the criteria and detailed arrangements for the Government's programme to demonstrate to industry the benefits of novel applications of existing or improved technology.

    Initially, the Government propose to place emphasis on saving energy at the point of use and on improved process efficiency. Six technologies and six industrial sectors have been identified for priority attention. One objective is to achieve an annual energy saving worth at least £5 for each £1 of Government sup port.

    Government assistance for demonstration projects will combine the traditional shared-cost contract type of arrangement used for R & D projects with the provision of grants. In the case of users of the technology to be demonstrated grant aid will be the norm but it is expected that manufacturers of the project equipment will often prefer the shared cost arrangement.

    Grant aid to users will usually take the form of a Government contribution of up to 25 per cent. of the capital cost of the plant or equipment and its installation. In addition, financial assistance of up to 100 per cent. will be available to cover the installation and operation of monitoring or other special ancillary equipment required for demonstration or testing purposes. In the case of the manufacturer who has the prospect of increased sales of plant or equipment if the demonstration project is successful assistance will generally be provided by means of shared cost arrangements—normally 50 per cent. Over £20 million is available for demonstration projects under the Government's scheme and I hope that companies will take full advantage of the opportunity for demonstrating the benefits, in the forms of energy and cost saving, of improved or adapted technology.

    Foreign And Commonwealth Affairs

    Zambia (Arms Supplies)

    asked the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs (1) whether any small-arms are included in the shipment of arms to Zambia; and, if so, of what type and quantity;(2) whether he will publish a full list of types and quantities of armaments being supplied to Zambia as outlined in his statement of 2nd November.

    My right hon. Friend has nothing to add to his statement in the House on 2nd November—[Vol. 957, c. 186–7.]

    asked the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs what is the cost of British arms so far despatched or promised to Zambia; approximately how many persons are required to man the anti-aircraft equipment included; what proportion of these crews is British subjects; and if any charge to public funds will arise in the event of any of them being killed or injured.

    On the cost and other details of the equipment, my right hon. Friend has nothing to add to his statement in the House on 2nd November—[Vol. 957, c. 186–7.] No British Service personnel will be stationed in Zambia. The manning of the equipment is a matter for the Zambian Government, and no British financial or other responsibility is involved.

    Antigua (Space Research Corporation)

    asked the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs if he is prepared to undertake an investigation into the activities of the Space Research Corporation in the British protectorate of Antigua; and if he will make a statement.

    We are consulting urgently the Government of Antigua with a view to ensuring that allegations made concerning the Space Research Corporation are thoroughly investigated and any necessary action taken. We are also in touch with the United States and Canadian Governments.

    Diplomats (Education Allowances)

    asked the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs (1) whether increases in tax-free educational allowances paid to diplomats will be subject to the Government's 5 per cent. limit on incomes;(2) what the increase in the cost of diplomats' tax-free educational allowances was in the last financial year; and whether this was in accordance with the Government's pay policy.

    The cost of boarding school allowances paid to Diplomatic Service staff serving overseas—which are tax free—increased by £236,048 to £1,814,991 in the financial year 1977–78. Changes in the boarding school allowance ceilings, within which boarding school fees may be reimbursed, are made in order to reflect increases in average boarding school fees. Pay policy limitations do not apply to payments, like boarding school allowance, which reimburse staff for expenses necessarily incurred in the course of, or as a consequence of, their employment.

    Small Claims

    asked the Lord Advocate if he is now in a position to make a further statement about the proposed experimental procedure for small claims in the sheriff court to which he referred in the House on 19th April in response to a Question from the hon. Member for Fife, Central.

    I have been working on details of a voluntary small claims pilot scheme and I have consulted interested bodies about the rules of the proposed procedure. I am now in a position to announce that a pilot scheme for claims of up to £500 will commence in Dundee sheriff court on 1st January 1979. This will benefit consumers who wish to pursue their own claims.

    Scotland (Referendum)

    asked the Lord President of the Council (1) if he will make a statement on the extent and estimated cost of the campaign which the Government intend to have in seeking to obtain a Yes vote in the Scottish referendum; and if he intends to issue and make public guidance to Departments on what expenditure is or is not permitted in connection with the campaign;(2) if the travel and accommodation costs of Ministers participating in the Scottish referendum on 1st March will be met from public funds; and if there are any other persons whose costs will be financed in this way.

    So far as the Government are concerned, expenditure for the campaign will be limited to the activities of Ministers fulfilling official engagements at which they will continue to explain the Government's policy as approved by Parliament and seek the electorate's endorsement of it. No useful estimate of the limited costs involved is possible and guidance to Departments is unnecessary. The distinction between Ministers' official and political activities is well established and understood.

    asked the Lord President of the Council if the services of information officers and other civil servants will be used in connection with the Government's campaign for a Yes vote in the Scottish referendum.

    Only to the extent necessary to assist Ministers to continue to explain the Government's policy on devolution as now approved by Parliament. Civil Servants would not, of course, be used for any party political activity.

    asked the Lord President of the Council if it is the Government's intention to produce any leaflets or other printed material to be distributed to the public as part of the Government's campaign to seek a Yes vote in the Scottish referendum.

    asked the Lord President of the Council if it is the intention of Her Majesty's Government to seek the opportunity of making ministerial broadcasts during the Scottish referendum.

    If such broadcasts were made, the normal rules would, of course, apply.

    asked the Lord President of the Council if it is the intention of Her Majesty's Government to provide information, advice or any resources from the Civil Service or public funds to the Yes for Scotland umbrella organisation; and if he will make a statement.

    No distinction would be made in responding to requests for factual information from any organisation or individual. Financial assistance would have required statutory provision in the Scotland Act.

    asked the Lord President of the Council what discussions or correspondence he has had with the BBC or the independent broadcasting organistations about television and radio coverage of the Scottish referendum; and if he will make a statement.

    None. I hope that there will be opportunities to explain to the people of Scotland and Wales the importance of voting in the referendum. However, any allocation of time for this purpose would flow from an initiative by the broadcasting authorities.

    House Of Commons

    Members' Salaries

    asked the Lord President of the Council what action he has taken since August to reconvene the Boyle Committee to consider Members' salaries; and when he expects it to report.

    I refer the hon. Member to the reply I gave to my hon. Friend the Member for Huddersfield, West (Mr. Lomas) on 24th October—[Official Report, Vol. 955, c. 798.]

    Agriculture, Fisheries And Food

    Green Pound

    asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food what is the current differential between the green pound and the £ sterling.

    The current difference between the rate for the green pound and the market rate used for mca purposes is 32·3 per cent., giving an applied mca percentage of 30·8.

    Agricultural Products (Storage)

    asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food by how much the agricultural industries of each EEC country have contributed to the current stocks of agricultural products held or financed by the EEC.

    The current level of stocks held by each member State, based on recent information, is as shown in the table. In some cases, the figures include commodities originating in one member State but held in intervention stores by another. It is not possible to show these separately.

    AGRICULTURAL PRODUCTS HELD IN INTERVENTION AND PRIVATE STORAGE SCHEMES (FEOGA AIDED)

    Product

    Belgium

    Denmark

    France

    Germany

    Italy

    Ireland

    Luxembourg

    Netherlands

    United Kingdom

    Butter (tonnes)33,50213,18089,405179,93321032,0452,97681,48669,318
    SMP (tonnes)87,35128,39532,890537,3746,23038,4835,99153,47673,888
    Cheese (tonnes)17,99037,934
    Beef (tonnes)1027,49790,66132,15049,66111,19514,415
    Table Wine ('000 hl)3,4631023,02511
    Grape Must ('000 hl)363155
    Concentrated Grape Must ('000 hl)1625
    Breadmaking Wheat (tonnes)25,196621,303171,0793,082
    Barley (tonnes)8,651127,20120,764
    Rye (tonnes)33,698479,8732,783
    Durum (tonnes)69,864

    asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food if he will publish in the Official Report a table similar to that published on 16th June 1977 showing the EEC appropriations in respect of public and private storage for

    EUROPEAN AGRICULTURAL GUIDANCE AND GUARANTEE FUND—GUARANTEE SECTION 1977 EXPENDITURE AND 1978 APPROPRIATIONS IN RESPECT OF PUBLIC AND PRIVATE STORAGE
    CommodityChapterArticle or ItemHeading1977 Expenditure (MUA)1978 Appropriations (MEUA)
    Cereals606015Buying in and subsequent operations21·193·0
    Rice61611*Intervention in respect of rice0·11·0
    Milk and Milk626213Private storage (of skimmed milk)Token entry
    Products.6214Public storage and special disposal measures (in relation to skimmed milk)250·1391·0
    6220Private storage (of butter and cream)36·442·0
    6221Public storage and special measures for the disposal of public stocks of butter186·5297·8
    6230Storage of cheese14·910·0
    487·9740·8
    Oils and Fats636311Storage (of olive oil)9·215·0
    6331Storage (of colza, rape and sunflower seeds)1·0
    9·216·0
    Sugar646413Public storage1·62·0
    Beef and Veal656510Private storage61·833·0
    6511Public storage177·8218·3
    239·6251·3
    Pigmeat66661*Intervention in respect of pigmeat6·918·0
    Wine696910Aid for private storage36·161·5
    6911Aid for the re-storage of table wines1·12·0
    37·263·5
    Tobacco707011Storage7·19·2
    Fisheries717111Aid for private storage1·0
    Flax and Hemp73730*Intervention in respect of flax and hemp13·815·0
    Total824·51,210·8
    (£343·5m)(£791·4m)
    Notes:
    1. The figures for 1978 are drawn from the general budget of the European Communities for the financial year 1978 (OJ Vol. 21 No. L36 of 6th February 1978) as amended by supplementary budget No. 2 (OJ Vol. 21 No. L121 of 8th May 1978) and do not therefore take account of later developments. Those for 1977 are taken from the draft budget document for 1979 adopted by the Council on 18th July 1978.
    2. The figures do not include the effect of the double rate of conversion since a separate budget entry was made for the total effect in both years and was not broken down by commodity. The total for 1977 storage costs in mua has been converted to sterling at the rate of 2.4ua=£1 and that for 1978 in meua at 1·53ua=£1.

    1977 and the provision made in the EEC budget for 1978.

    The information requested is set out in the table below which should be read in conjunction with the notes.

    3. Budget heads marked with an asterisk (*) include expenditure on aid other than storage as follows:—

    (a) Rice (article 611)Production refunds and subsidy for supplies to the French overseas Department of Réunion
    (b) Pigmeat (article 661)Measures to encourage consumption of pigmeat e.g. advertising
    (c) Flax and hemp (article 730)Acreage payments

    4. The cost of sugar storage refunds (item 6412) has not been included because this relates to an orderly marketing rather than an intervention buying and storage measure. Producers and refiners pay a levy which, taking one year with another, equals the cost of the refunds.

    Wine

    25.

    asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food if he will resist any further pressure from Common Market countries to enforce the mandatory bottling of wine at source; if his Department has prepared estimates consumer and the employment effects on of the economic consequences to the British industries; and if he will make a statement.

    I am not aware of any recent pressure for the mandatory bottling of wine at source at either Community or governmental level. In general, the question of the place of bottling of wine should be a matter for commercial judgment. The consequences for consumers and for employment levels in the United Kingdom of any move to mandatory bottling at source would depend on its extent.

    New Forest Ponies (Export)

    asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food if he will take steps to ban the export of New Forest ponies for slaughter.

    There are already legal safeguards designed to prevent horses and ponies from being exported for slaughter.

    Beef Calves

    asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food what is the number of calves retained for beef rearing at the latest available date on an annual basis compared with 1973.

    I regret that this information is not available from official statistics.

    Green Currencies

    asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food by what percentage the green value of each currency varies from (a) the agricultural unit of account and (b) the European unit of account, assuming in both cases that the monetary co-efficient is based on the latest market rates of exchange.

    Column I in the following table shows the percentage upon which the monetary compensatory amounts applicable from 6th November were based. Column II shows the percentage difference between the representative rate of each country and average market rates of exchange with the EUA in the period 25th to 31st October, the reference period taken into account in determining these monetary compensatory amounts.

    Column IColumn II
    Belgium and Luxembourg+3·3+20·3
    Netherlands+3·3+20·2
    DenmarkNil+ 18·9
    Germany+ 10·8+26·6
    France-121+7·3
    Ireland-6·6+ 12·5
    Italy-19·7+ 1·8
    United Kingdom-32·3-8·6
    The mca percentages applied in this period by France, Ireland, Italy and the United Kingdom were each 1·5 percentage points less than the percentage shown in column I.

    Fishery Organisation Society (Funds)

    asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food what steps he is taking to ensure that the funds made available by the Development Commission to the Fishery Organisation Society to promote the establishment and development of fishermen's co-operatives are neither reduced nor channelled through another organisation.

    Grant has been paid hitherto on a year by year basis. Discussions as to new arrangements are currently in progress.

    European Community Levies And Prices

    asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food if he will publish in the Official Report a table similar to that published on 21st June 1977, columns 461–2, showing the EEC common levies on foodstuffs, together with the related monetary compensatory amounts for the latest available date, together with the net cost to the importer.

    Common Levy*M.C.ANet Import Levy
    Item and CCT No£/mt.P/lb.£/mt.P/lb.£/mt.P/lb.
    Common wheat (10.01A)66·4793·0226·7531·2139·7261·81
    Barley (10.03)71·5233·2523·7471·0847·7762·17
    Maize (10.05B)65·6082·9823·7471·0841·8611·90
    White sugar (17·01A)220·82310·0369·2903·15151·5336·88
    Butter 82–84% fat content (04.03A)†1,630·45974·02460·44020·901,170·01953·12
    Cheddar cheese (04.04EIb1bb)t1,443·81265·55362·96016·481,080·85249·07
    Skimmed milk powder (04.02AIIb1)729·74533·13187·0908·49542·65524·64
    Boneless frozen meat (02.01 AIIb4bb33).1,714·21677·83421·02019·111,293·19658·72
    Lard (15.01 AII)102·7804·6759·7802·7143·0001·96
    Pigmeat carcases (02.01AIIIal)‡321·28014·59186·8008·48134·4806·11
    Salted bacon sides (02.06BIa2aa)433·76619·69252·18011·45181·5868·24
    Eggs (04.05AIb)ç414·10718·8060·6302·75353·47716·05
    Poultrymeat 70% chickens (02.02AIb)║192·0388·7251·9802·36140·0586·36
    NOTES:
    * Conversion from units of account into sterling has been by means of the representative rate of £1 = 1·57678 ua and multiplying by the current monetary co-efficient of 1·308.
    † There are special rates for New Zealand butter and cheese.
    ‡ Does not include a supplementary levy which at present applies only to imports from the German Democratic Republic.
    ç Includes a supplementary levy applicable to imports from certain countries of origin. Regulations provide for supplementary levies to operate in this sector when average free-at-frontier offer prices fall below the sluice gate price.
    ║ Does not include a supplementary levy which at present applies only to imports from the German Democratic Republic and Spain.

    Seals

    asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food how many seals have been slaughtered in United Kingdom waters in each year since 1970.

    England and WalesScotland
    Grey seal (Halichoerus grypus)Common seal (Phoca vitulina)Grey seal (Halichoerus grypus)Common seal (Phoca vitulina)
    1970107880
    197114320777569
    19721,329392808386
    1973273951,271507
    1974811,916640
    19751,46711,772376
    19765001,672467
    197734301,656351
    No licence to kill grey seals off Northern Ireland has been issued in this period.

    asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food what estimates he has of the annual consumption of fish by seals within United Kingdom waters.

    The following is the information requested as at 6th November 1978. The information corresponds to that given for 4th July 1978 and 3rd August 1978 in reply to similar Questions earlier this year.—[Vol. 953, c. 121–2; Vol. 955, c. 633–4.]

    I have been asked to reply.Figures are recorded only for grey and common seals killed during the close season under licences issued under the Conservation of Seals Act 1970 or the Grey Seals Protection Act (Northern Ireland) 1933. These figures are:

    I have been asked to reply.The scientific advice which I have been given by my Department is that grey seals and common seals in Scottish waters take some 195,000 tons of fish annually, of which about 130,000 tons is likely to comprise commercially exploited species. The estimated loss of potential catch in about half of this amount. No similar estimate has been made for grey seals and common seals in other waters of the United Kingdom.

    Milk (European Community Directives)

    asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food what consideration has been given to the EEC draft milk hygiene directives; what is the likelihood of their being made effective when certain EEC animal disease derogations expire at the end of the current year; what changes to the directives are being sought by the Government; and if he will make a statement.

    Discussion on long-standing Commission proposals to harmonise health and hygiene standards for liquid milk has recently been renewed at official level within the EEC. The proposals are wide-ranging and complicated, but the Government's general aim will be to ensure that any proposals which may be adopted would require milk production in other member States to meet the same high standards as are laid down in our own regulations.The animal health derogations referred to by the hon. Member are not dealt with in the draft liquid milk directives, and we regard them as a separate issue.

    Mackerel Fishing

    asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food whether he has read paragraph 49 of the Fifth Report of the Expenditure Committee for Session 1977–78 intituled " The Fishing Industry"; what is the Government's response to the specific recommendation appearing at the end of that paragraph, namely, that the special position of local communities of fishermen in Devon and Cornwall, heavily dependent upon returns from the mackerel fishing in recent years, should be fully safeguarded; and why no observations on this specific recommendation appeared in the Government observations published on 3rd November.

    I have read all the Expenditure Committee's report. The report covers a very large number of points. The Government's observations concentrated on those points which the Committee picked up in its own summary of conclusions and recommendations.As regards the last sentence of paragraph 49 of the Committee's report, the Government are very conscious of the importance to South-Western fishermen of the mackerel fishery; in the mackerel licensing arrangements, we are seeking to strike as fair a balance as possible between the various conflicting interests.

    Industry

    Telephones

    asked the Secretary of State for Industry how many persons are waiting for telephones to be installed, and what were the comparable waiting lists in each of the previous 10 years.

    asked the Secretary of State for Industry (1) how many households in Great Britain had at least one telephone in 1935, 1940, 1945, 1950, 1955, 1960, 1965, 1970 and 1975; and what he estimates the number will be in 1980, 1985, 1990, 1995 and 2000;(2) how many people are at present on the waiting list for a telephone;(3) how many telephone boxes there are in Great Britain at the latest available date; how many are out of action because of vandalism; and if he will make a statement;(4) how many households possess a telephone in each of the counties in Great Britain at the latest available date.

    South-West Region

    asked the Secretary of State for Industry what steps are being taken to regenerate industry in the South-West region; and if he is satisfied with current industrial progress.

    The selective assistance schemes operated under section 8 of the Industry Act 1972 are available throughout the South-West in addition to the regional incentives to industry available

    in the South-West assisted areas. Progress has been satisfactory given the current world-wide depression.

    Regional Development Fund

    asked the Secretary of State for Industry what are the totals of sums made available to the United Kingdom from the EEC Regional Development Fund for 1975 to the latest convenient date and separately in the last financial year; and of these totals what sums have been made available for projects in Norfolk.

    Between the inception of the European Regional Development Fund (ERDF) in 1975, and today, the Commission has agreed to contribute £194·1 million towards the costs of projects located in the United Kingdom assisted areas. Of this total £50·53 million was allocated in the financial year ending 31st March 1978. None has gone to projects in Norfolk since the ERDF can contribute to the costs of projects in assisted areas only.

    Prices And Consumer Protection

    Pay Settlements (Government Action)

    asked the Secretary of State for Prices and Consumer Protection if he will list the powers that he or the Price Commission have, specifying the sections of existing legislation, to order firms to reduce prices because they have awarded wage claims in excess of the Government's norm.

    Neither the Price Commission nor I have the power to restrict prices simply on the ground that a firm has reached a pay settlement above the Government's pay guidelines. However, in exercising our respective functions under the Price Commission Act 1977, both the Commission and I must have regard to the full range of matters referred to in section 2 of the Act. These include the desirability of encouraging reductions in costs by improvements in the use of resources and of securing reductions in prices of goods and charges for services in consequence of such improvements. Increases in labour costs must clearly be taken into account.

    Trade

    Industrial Democracy

    asked the Secretary of State for Trade (1) how many trade unions have responded to the White Paper on industrial democracy; and how many of them have rejected the proposals for worker directors;(2) how many commercial and industrial organisations have responded to the White Paper on industrial democracy; and how many of them have rejected the proposals for worker directors;(3) which organisations support the idea of worker directors.

    My Department has received representations on the White Paper on industrial democracy from the TUC, the CBI, the British Institute of Management, the Institute of Directors and about 70 organisations and firms. It is for the bodies concerned to decide whether their representations are for the public record.

    Film Industry

    asked the Secretary of State for Trade if he will make a statement on the current position of the film industry.

    We shall be putting forward in this Session a Bill to increase the lending limit of the National Film Finance Corporation and we are continuing work, with a view to eventual legislation, on proposals for a British film authority.

    Noise Insulation

    asked the Secretary of State for Trade if he is aware that some people living near Heathrow may lose entitlement to grants for noise insulation because the work cannot be completed by 31st December 1978; and if he will extend the date for completion.

    I understand that, because of the large number of applications that were received before the closing of the former noise insulation grants schemes for Heathrow and Gatwick, it is unlikely that all the work can be completed by the end of this year. I have decided, therefore, to extend the time allowed for completion of this work by six months. The necessary statutory instruments will be laid before the House as soon as possible.

    National Finance

    Personal Incomes

    asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer if he will publish figures for each member State of the EEC and for Sweden, the United States of America, Australia and Japan, showing the level of gross income, including family allowances as appropriate and measured as a percentage of local average earnings, at which each of a single person, a single-wage married couple, a two-wage married couple, a married couple with two children aged 15 and 12 years, and a married couple with four children aged 15, 12, 9 and 6 years pays (a) income tax and (b) income tax plus social security contribution, at a rate or combined rate of 40 per cent., or the nearest equivalent, assuming in every case no tax relief other than the main personal allowances, works expenses, and so on, and that all the income is earned.

    I regret that an answer could be supplied only at a disproportionate cost.

    Vehicle Excise Duty

    asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer what is the current yield of road tax on cars and vans below 30 cwt.

    The yield of vehicle excise duty on cars and vans below 30 cwt. is estimated to be £820 million in 1978–79.

    asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer what he estimates to be the annual loss to the Revenue through evasion of road tax and the number of vehicles involved.

    I estimate the total annual loss to the Revenue due to evasion of vehicle excise duty to be somewhere about £70 million to £90 million. The exact number of vehicles involved is not known; in the case of cars, a recent survey by the Department of Transport estimated that between 7 per cent. and 9 per cent. of owners were evading the duty.

    asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer what is the current yield of road tax on commercial vehicles and vans above 30 cwt.; and how many staff are required to administer the collection of the tax.

    The yield of vehicle excise duty on goods vehicles of 30 cwt. and above is estimated to be £246 million in 1978–79. It is not possible separately to identify the number of staff engaged in collecting the duty on these vehicles.

    Petrol Duty

    asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer what is his estimate of the yield of tax resulting from an increased tax on gasoline of 20p per gallon.

    In the absence of other changes, increasing the excise duty on petrol to raise the price, including value added tax, by 20p per gallon would yield about £825 million in a full year.

    British Petroleum (Government Directors)

    asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer if, when Lord Greenhill retires as a Government-appointed director of British Petroleum, he will advertise for a replacement prior to making a decision.

    Excise Duty (Beer, Cider And Wine)

    asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer why there has been delay in bringing before Parliament the necessary regulations promised under the Finance Act 1978 to enable the excise duty paid on beer, cider and wine used in the manufacture of certain beverages and foodstuffs; and whether there will be any retrospection in their application to help seasonal manufacturers who have costed their Christmas products on the basis that they could expect a duty rebate.

    The drafting of the regulations has been proceeding without delay since the Finance Act 1978 received Royal Assent and it is hoped to lay them before Parliament shortly, after current consultations with interested trade associations are complete. It is unlikely that it will be possible to bring the regulations into effect earlier than 1st January 1979.

    European Investment Bank (United Kingdom Loans)

    asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer what are the totals of loans from the European Investment Bank to the United Kingdom from 1973 to the latest convenient date and separately in the last financial year; and of these totals what sums have been made available for projects in Norfolk.

    Between 1st January 1973 and 2nd August 1978 the European Investment Bank granted loans totalling £1,006 million in the United Kingdom, including £321 million in 1977. The bank has not granted any loans for projects in Norfolk.

    Multinational Companies

    asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer if he will make a statement showing how much extra revenue has been obtained from multinational companies as a result of the work of the special unit set up to investigate pricing policies.

    Adjusting the prices of multinational companies may not immediately increase tax chargeable on the company concerned but may offset available tax allowances or reduce tax losses. Such offsets may result in immediate extra liability upon other companies in the group; if not they would increase tax liabilities of group companies in later years. The indirect results cannot be quantified, so a meaningful figure of additional revenue resulting from such adjustments cannot be given. Since the beginning of 1974 adjustments to profits made centrally by what has been described as a special transfer pricing unit have been about £50 million.

    Salaries (International Comparisons)

    asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer what would be the equivalent salary for a job paid £10,000 per annum gross in the United Kingdom, in each of the following countries: Holland, West Germany, Belgium, France and the United States; what would be the equivalent figures net of tax; and what would be the comparative purchasing power of the net salary in each case.

    Estimates for 1975 are given in appendix G to report no. 3 —higher incomes from employment—of the Royal Commission on the distribution of income and wealth—Cmnd. 6383. Corresponding estimates for later years are not available.

    European Community (Member States' Contributions)

    asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer what is his current estimate in terms of £ sterling at the current rate of exchange, of the amount that each member State of the EEC would contribute under the proposed own resources system of finance (a) from levies, duties and other charges on imports and (b) the 1 per cent. of notional VAT yield.

    It is extremely difficult to predict member States' hypothetical contributions under the full own resources system. However, the Commission of the European Communities presents at various times its own estimates for the forthcoming budget year, based on information supplied by member States. Its most recent estimates were contained in its letter of amendment to the 1979 preliminary draft budget—R/2356/78—which was deposited in the House on 18th October. In terms of sterling, converted at the rate of 1·5875 EUA=£1 used by the Commission in drawing up the PDB, the relevant amounts are:

    £ million
    Agricultural levies and customs duties1 per cent. of VAT harmonised base
    Belgium354299
    Denmark104148
    Germany1,2071,858
    France6031,373
    Ireland4144
    Italy543599
    Luxembourg212
    Netherlands517362
    United Kingdom9871,040
    Total4,3585,735

    Gross National Product

    asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer what proportion of the gross national income was taken up by (a) governmental services, (b) employers and (c) employees in each of the following periods: 1964 to 1970, 1970 to 1974 and 1974 to the latest available date.

    The proportion of gross national product—GNP—taken up by general Government consumption and the proportion of GNP generated in the form of income from employment in each year since 1964 are given in the following table:

    General Government final consumption as percentage of GNP at market prices*Income from employment as percentage of GNP at factor cost†
    196416·367·1
    196516·667·2
    196616·968·5
    196717·868·1
    196817·567·7
    196917·067·2
    197017·468·6
    197117·768·2
    197218·367·9
    197318·067·5
    197419·871·5
    197522·173·7
    197621·571·4
    197720·770·0
    1978 1st half20·670·3
    * Expenditure based measure of GNP at market prices.
    † Income based measure of GNP at factor cost.
    Gross national income is not a term in general use and it has been taken to mean gross national product.The first set of percentages shows the extent to which GNP has been used in general Government final consumption; the second set of percentages shows that part of GNP generated in the form of income from employment. The two sets are therefore not directly comparable.It is not clear what the hon. Member means by the proportion of GNP taken up by employers. The factor incomes other than income from employment are gross trading profits and surpluses, self-employment income, rent and non-trading capital consumption. The relative importance of each of these is shown in table 3 of the " Additional tables on national income and expenditure " given in the October 1978 issue of

    Economic Trends.

    Pay Settlements (Government Action)

    held with the EEC Commission to determine whether the pay policy blacklist is admissible under the Community directive concerning public purchasing; and if he will make a statement.

    It has not been considered necessary to discuss this matter with the EEC Commission. I am advised that the Government's policy is not inadmissible under Community legislation.

    Foreign Debt

    asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer what the total outstanding short-and medium-term foreign currency debt was on the following dates: July 1945, October 1951, October 1964, June 1970 and February 1974, in the case of (a) central Government, and (b) local authorities and nationalised industries.

    Republic Of Ireland (£ Sterling Link)

    asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer what discussions he has had with his counterpart in the Republic of Ireland concerning that country's proposals to sever the monetary link with the £ sterling.

    Manufactured Goods

    asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer what is his estimate of the increase in the volume of imports and exports of manufactured goods in the current financial year.

    , pursuant to his reply [Official Report, 6th November 1978; Vol. 957, c. 60], gave the following answer:It is not possible to make a reliable estimate of this now. Forecasts of total imports and exports of goods and services to the end of 1979 will be published in the next Industry Act forecast.

    Money Supply

    asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer how the United Kingdom figure for the increase in the real money supply, after taking account of increases in gross domestic product, so far in the current year compares with the corresponding figures for Japan and West Germany.

    , pursuant to his reply [Official Report, 7th November 1978; Vol. 957, c. 133], gave the following information:The following table sets out the increase in the real money supply for the United Kingdom, West Germany and Japan over the period between the middle of the last quarter of 1977 and the middle of the second quarter of 1978.

    CountryMoney supply measure"Real" money supply growth Per cent
    United Kingdom£M33·4
    West GermanyM22·5
    JapanM23·5
    For each country national income statistics are available only for the period up to the second quarter of 1978. Precise comparisons between the growth of the money supply and the growth of GDP are not possible since the former relates to stock figures on a particular day and the latter to flows during a period. For each country the growth of real money supply has been estimated by adjusting the growth in the chosen measure of money supply from the average of the stock at the end of the last two quarters of 1977 to the average of the stock at the end of the first two quarters of 1978, by the change in the GDP deflator between the last quarter of 1977 and the second quarter of 1978.

    Development Land Tax Office

    asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer whether the Inland Revenue has yet reached its decision on the appropriate level of staffing of the development land tax office; what figure has been decided upon; by how much the work load has increased so as to justify setting aside the recommendation of the Revenue's staffing survey report last November that the complement should be reduced from about 150 to below 120; and whether he will make a statement.

    , pursuant to his reply [Official Report, 8th November 1978], gave the following answer:

    No final decision has yet been reached about the longer term staffing of the development land tax office. The recommendation that the staffing levels should be reduced—from 152 to 121 on 1st August 1977 figures—was made by reference to the work load as the survey team found it. The work load had increased by the time the report was published in November 1977 and there has since been a substantial further increase. The introduction of work-saving measures and the growing experience of the staff have so far enabled the office to keep roughly in step with the rising work load but over the coming months some extra staff will be required for the efficient administration of the tax. The Inland Revenue has therefore increased the staff ceiling, on an interim basis, to 176. Coupled with this, a review is being undertaken of the procedures of this office and any further changes in staffing levels will be considered in the light of this review and of the work load.

    Fuel Oil (Tax)

    asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer what is the current yield of tax on fuel oil; and what he estimates to be the advantage of the tax in market terms to the coal industry expressed in £ per ton of coal.

    I have been asked to reply.In 1977–78 total revenue obtained from tax on fuel oil was £151·5 million. This is equivalent to a margin of approximately £325 per tonne of steam coal equivalent.

    Scotland

    Seals (Cull)

    asked the Secretary of State for Scotland how many frogmen were involved in the underwater survey of the Norwegian ship, " Kvitungen ", before his announcement of the reduction in the cull of grey seals.

    asked the Secretary of State for Scotland what reduction on the annual fish catch he expects as a result of the abandonment of the planned seal cull off Northern Scotland.

    This year's cull was not abandoned but modified to a cull of seal pups. The Secretary of State is not in a position to quantify the effect on fish catches at this stage but it is likely that the continuing rise in the seal population will have an increasingly damaging effect on fish stocks.

    asked the Secretary of State for Scotland what considerations will be taken into account before deciding on the size of the seal cull in 1979.

    The Secretary of State has made available to a wide range of conservation and other organisations, as well as to the fishermen's organisations and the Islands councils concerned, copies of the scientific papers on which the advice given to him was based. He has invited comments and has undertaken to consider carefully any evidence which any organisations may wish to put to him before deciding on the size of next year's cull.

    asked the Secretary of State for Scotland (1) what proportion of the contract for the cull of seals off Northern Scotland has already been paid; what sum still has to be paid; and what saving has been made as a result of the Government's decision to reduce the cull;(2) what is the cost to public funds of the limited seal cull off the Orkneys; and what was the estimated cost of the original planned cull which was called off.

    Apart from the cost of my Department's staff and of that of the other Government bodies involved in a supervisory capacity, the main cost was for the services of a Norwegian contractor. The contract provided for payment on a daily rate subject to adjustments in certain circumstances. Details of the contract are a matter of commercial confidence.A claim has been received from the contractor but no payment has yet been made. The final cost will be contained within the provision of £25,500 included in my Department's Vote for expenditure in connection with seals this year.

    asked the Secretary of State for Scotland how many letters from members of the public he has received concerning the slaughter of grey seals in Northern Scotland; and how many of them were in favour of restriction on the cull.

    The Secretary of State received a total of 2,787 letters from members of the public; all but seven were against the cull.

    asked the Secretary of State for Scotland what representations he has received on the slaughter of grey seals in Northern Scotland from members of the fishing industry.

    The Secretary of State received representations from the Scottish fishermen's federation and the British fishermen's federation strongly supporting the cull, and the Orkney fishermen's association recently protested about the reduction of this year's cull.

    asked the Secretary of State for Scotland what meetings he has had with representatives of the Green-peace organisation concerning the size of the cull of grey seals off Northern Scotland.

    My officials met representatives of the Greenpeace organisation at their request on 3rd October to discuss their objections to the proposed cull.

    School Meals

    asked the Secretary of State for Scotland what estimate he has made of the reduction in the number of school meals which will be purchased as a result of the increase in charges for meals.

    Estimates of this kind are necessarily speculative, and no precise figure can be given. Experience shows that an increase in the charge always reduces uptake temporarily. The increase of 10p in August 1977 reduced the uptake from over 50 per cent. of pupils present to about 45 per cent., from which it recovered to almost 47 per cent. in January 1978. I would expect the increase of 5p in the charge in August 1979 to have less effect on uptake.

    asked the Secretary of State for Scotland what has been the average number of school meals consumed daily in each of the past five years; and what percentage of these meals were provided free in each year.

    Averages are not available. The following figures are derived from the full census taken annually on a day in January. Uptake tends to fall during the spring and summer so that the annual average would probably be slightly less.

    align="center">YearNumber of school mealsFree meals as percentage of total meals
    1974430,82930·3
    1975468,61226·0
    1976465,60225·1
    1977476,37424·7
    1978426,46136·5

    Referendum

    asked the Secretary of State for Scotland what is the latest estimate of the total cost to public funds of organising and holding the Scottish referendum on 1st March; and if he will publish an account of the various items in this estimated total.

    I have nothing to add at this stage to the reply given to the hon. Member for Caernarvon (Mr. Wigley) on 23rd March 1978—[Vol. 946, c. 726.]

    Northern Ireland

    Building Industry (Apprentice Training)

    3.

    asked the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland if he will inaugurate an apprenticeship training school in the Shankill Road area to include all facets of the building industry.

    The four Government training centres in the Belfast area offering apprenticeship training in construction skills are sufficient to meet current demand.

    Security

    6.

    asked the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland whether he will make a statement on security and law and order.

    The general level of violence over the last four months has been low in comparison with previous years, although members of the security forces remain particular targets for terrorist attack. 25 have been killed so far this year compared with 40 in the same period last year. Civilian deaths have also been reduced, but the irresponsible bombing of the Dublin to Belfast train on 12th October demonstrates the terrorists' continuing disregard for human life.The downward trend in the statistics of violence nevertheless illustrates the progress which has been made and the diminishing support for the terrorist. The RUC continues to gain in strength and effectiveness, and it receives invaluable support from the Armed Forces. So far this year 714 persons have been charged with serious terrorist offences.

    Seat Belts

    16.

    asked the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland whether the Government propose to introduce legislation to make the wearing of car seat belts compulsory in Northern Ireland.

    Political Talks

    17.

    asked the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland whether he will make a statement on his discussions during the recess with the political parties in Northern Ireland to lead to a political settlement.

    I refer the hon. Member to the answer which I gave earlier today to a Question from my hon. Friend the Member for Sheffield, Hillsborough (Mr. Flannery). I have made it clear that in these discussions with the parties I am prepared to consider any new form of administration which seems capable of attracting the necessary widespread acceptance in Northern Ireland.

    Housing Executive

    18.

    asked the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland if the board of the Northern Ireland Housing Executive will be the body responsible for the appointment of the new chief executive, namely, the person who will be responsible for the duties at present carried out by the Director General.

    No. The appointment to the board of the executive of the proposed full-time vice-chairman, who will be responsible for these duties, is a matter for my right hon. Friend the Secretary of State.

    Prisons

    19.

    asked the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland whether he will make a statement on the administration of Her Majesty's prisons in Northern Ireland.

    Despite a number of difficulties, including the industrial action by prison officers and the continued protest over the special category issue, the prisons in Northern Ireland are continuing to deal in accordance with prison rules with all those sentenced or otherwise committed to custody by the courts.

    Road Accidents

    20.

    asked the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland whether he is satisfied that everything possible is being done to reduce the number of serious road accidents in Northern Ireland.

    Yes. Although I am deeply concerned at the number of fatal road accidents in Northern Ireland, I am satisfied that the steps being taken by the Government to reduce road accidents are both positive and realistic.

    Chief Constable

    23.

    asked the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland in the light of the lack of confidence which the police federation in Northern Ireland has expressed in the Chief Constable, Sir Ken Newman, what action he proposes to take.

    Employment

    21.

    asked the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland how many new jobs have been promoted during 1978 in firms based in Northern Ireland, and from firms based outside Northern Ireland; how this compares with past years.

    Up to the end of September the number of new jobs promoted by the Department of Commerce during 1978 was 5,472, of which 1,774 are expected from expansions and new local projects, and 3,698 from firms new to Northern Ireland. These are the highest figures for several years. The attached table shows the number of jobs promoted by the Department of Commerce from 1973 to 1978.In addition, the local enterprise development unit promoted 1,212 new jobs in small local firms in the year ending March 1978. This is the highest figure since 1973–74.

    DEPARTMENT OF COMMERCE JOB PROMOTIONS (CALENDAR YEARS)
    ExpansionsNewTotal
    19734,2359475,182
    19744,0417654,806
    19752,7413343,075
    19761,8284232,251
    19773,653403,693
    1978 (up to 30th September)1,7743,6985,472

    Educational Guidance Services

    22.

    asked the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland whether he has yet completed his reconsideration of the role of, and support from public funds for, the Educational Guidance Services for Adults (Northern Ireland).

    No. There are conflicting views about the value of voluntary agencies providing educational guidance, and it is clear that there is a need for a considerable development of this service in Northern Ireland particularly for areas of social deprivation and for all areas outside Belfast. It is for this reason that my noble Friend, the Minister of State, proposes to set up an independent inquiry into the nature of demand for educational guidance in Northern Ireland, the adequacy of existing provisions and how best future services can be provided.

    Government

    24.

    asked the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland whether he will make a statement about the restoration of democratically accountable government to the 1½ million people of Northern Ireland.

    The Government want to see established as quickly as possible a new system of government in Northern Ireland which will ensure that elected representatives are again responsible for the administration of the great majority of those functions and services which most closely affect the lives of the people who live there. The essential criterion for such a system is that it should be capable of attracting and retaining the support and confidence of a majority in both parts of the community. I am ready at any time to have discussions with the political parties about new political arrangements which might meet this criterion. Meanwhile, the arrangements for the government of Northern Ireland are those which Parliament has approved.

    Wales

    Rating Assessments

    asked the Secretary of State for Wales what percentage of appeals by ratepayers in Wales to local valuation courts for reductions of their rating assessments, during the years 1975, 1976 and 1977, respectively, were successful.

    asked the Secretary of State for Wales what plans he is considering for improvement in the present system of appeal against rating assessments in Wales by enabling aggrieved ratepayers to have speedier and cheaper access to the Lands Tribunal, or, preferably, a Welsh division thereof, wherever possible by way of written submissions, and, if necessary, abolishing local valuation courts.

    I have no reason to believe that the present system of appeals against rating assessments needs changing and my right hon. and learned Friend has no plans to abolish local valuation courts in Wales. Aggrieved ratepayers already have reasonable access, in terms of time and cost, to the Lands Tribunal which is empowered to hear cases based on written submission.

    Roads (Expenditure)

    asked the Secretary of State for Wales what was the annual expenditure on trunk, principal and other roads in Wales in new construction, improvement and maintenance from 1964, to date, at constant prices.

    The information is not available at constant prices. But information covering the period from 1964 to 1976, at outturn prices, can be obtained from the 1976 and 1977 editions of the Digest of Welsh Statistics (tables 6.04 and 6.05 respectively), copies of which are available in the Library.

    School Places

    asked the Secretary of State for Wales how many new primary and secondary school places were brought into use in Wales for every year from 1945 to 1977.

    The following figures show the number of primary and secondary school places in the maintained sector brought into use in Wales between 1945 and 1977:

    PrimarySecondaryTotal
    1st April 1945 to 1st February 1950*4,7609,33014,090
    Year ending:
    1st February 19513,8101,8305,640
    1st February 19526,0802,0408,120
    1st February 19537,2803,96511,245
    1st February 195410,6054,21514,820
    31st December 1954†7,4507,16414,614
    31st December 19556,4452,7119,156
    31st December 19564,6203,7858,405
    31st December 19576,7107,24513,955
    31st December 19586,8109,17515,985
    31st December 19594,6607,38012,040
    31st December 19607,2107,82015,030
    31st December 19613,4356,2309,665
    31st December 19623,9906,90510,895
    31st December 19637,4504,74512,195
    31st December 19643,77010,48014,250
    31st December 19654,76010,00514,765
    31st December 19665,1905,20510,395
    31st December 19679,6956,60016,295
    31st December 19687,4203,17010,590
    31st December 19699,3306,56515,895
    31st December 19709,22512,55021,775
    31st December 197110,49810,36020,858
    31st December 19725,0859,05514,140
    31st December 19733,31311,38514,698
    31st December 19745,88014,28520,165
    31st December 197511,00010,20021,200
    31st December 19767,0897,04014,129
    31st December 19776,8593,69010,549
    * Figures for individual years before 1950 are not available
    † The period over which information was collected was changed at this point; the figures contain an element of overlap for this year

    School Leavers

    asked the Secretary of State for Wales how many children left school in Wales in 1978; and what are the estimated figures for school leavers in 1979.

    Final data on school leavers during the academic year 1977–78 are not yet available but our provisional estimate is around 44.000. On the basis of past trends I would expect the current year's figure to be somewhat higher.

    Welsh Development Agency

    asked the Secretary of State for Wales how many companies which have received any form of financial assistance by the Welsh Development Agency have gone bankrupt, or gone into liquidation or receivership.

    Rural Schools

    asked the Secretary of State for Wales how many rural schools have been closed in Wales during the past 10 years.

    The information cannot be given in the form requested since there is no satisfactory means of identifying rural schools for statistical purposes. Between January 1967 and September 1977 a total of 164 primary schools in the whole of Wales were closed and there was a net reduction of 91.

    Chemists

    asked the Secretary of State for Wales how many chemists' shops have closed in Wales during the past 10 years.

    The net reduction in the number of pharmacies providing NHS pharmaceutical services in Wales during the 10-year period ended 31st December 1977 was 122.

    Nursery schools per centPrimary schools per centSpecial schools per centNon-maintained schools per centTotals per cent
    Age at 31st December 1977—
    20·10·60·7
    35·914·20·10·320·5
    44·875·30·20·580·8

    Defence

    Northern Ireland

    26.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence what percentage of the military, excluding the garrison battalions, currently in Northern Ireland is accommodated

    Beef And Cattle Imports

    asked the Secretary of State for Wales what tonnage of beef and how many live cattle have been imported from Ireland through Welsh ports in each of the last 12 months.

    Annual statistics of meat imports into Welsh ports do not separately identify Irish beef. Two live cattle were imported from the Irish Republic via Welsh ports during the last 12 months.

    Concessionary Fares

    asked the Secretary of State for Wales how many local authorities in Wales do not operate concessionary bus fares schemes for the elderly; and if he will list the authorities concerned.

    Assistance with bus travel is made available to elderly people throughout Wales. Its precise form, however, is determined by individual local authorities.

    Nursery Education

    asked the Secretary of State for Wales what percentage of children under 5 years of age in Wales receive some form of educational provision by age group and type of provision.

    The percentage of children under five years of age in Wales receiving education on a full or part time basis in maintained or non-maintained schools in September 1977 was as follows: in permanent or semi-permanent accommodation that is up to normal barrack standards.

    Normal barrack accommodation standards are not applied to units on four-month emergency tours in Northern Ireland. Except in those cases where operational considerations dictate otherwise the accommodation occupied by these units does not compare too unfavourably with that at their permanent stations or with that occupied by the resident battalions.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence if weapons will be provided to all members of the Ulster Defence Regiment who request them for personal protection.

    Any member of the UDR may apply for a personal protection weapon and will be issued with one if it is assessed that he is under particular threat at home or work.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence what is the present strength of the Regular Army in Northern Ireland; and what it was 12 months and 24 months ago.

    The present strength of the Regular Army in Northern Ireland is about 13,500. In November 1977 there were about 14,000, and in November 1976 about 14,500 members of the Regular Army in the Province.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence (1) whether he intends to merge some of the present companies of the Ulster Defence Regiment; and which companies have already been merged;(2) which battalions will be affected by the reorganisation measures of the Ulster Defence Regiment;(3) whether he has received a report from the Army's inspector of establishment on the Ulster Defence Regiment; and what steps he will take to implement the findings of that report.

    A report on the Ulster Defence Regiment—UDR—by members of the Army's Inspectorate of Establishments was produced in March of this year. This recommended changes to establishments of battalion and company headquarters and the merging of a number of companies with the purpose of saving overheads and getting more men out on the ground. All UDR battalions are likely to be affected to a greater or lesser extent by these proposals. So far, though, the only amalgamation that has taken place has been the merging of A/B and C companies of 5 UDR.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence what is the current average age of the members of the Ulster Defence Regiment.

    The current average age of members of the Ulster Defence Regiment is 33.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence whether he now proposes to use the Ulster Defence Regiment in the front line in the battle against terrorism in Northern Ireland by the IRA.

    The primary responsibility for the maintenance of law and order in the Province lies with the Royal Ulster Constabulary; the role of the UDR is to provide military support as required. The introduction of 16 full-time operational platoons has enabled the regiment's participation in security operations to be increased, and it now provides immediate military support for the RUC, wholly or in part, in 11 police divisions.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence what is the present strength of the Ulster Defence Regiment; and how many of these are full-time members.

    The strength of the Ulster Defence Regiment on 30th September 1978 was 7,851. Of this number, 2,383 were full-time members. The total strength included 731 women, of whom 89 were full-time.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence how many members of the Ulster Defence Regiment have been murdered in the past year; and how these figures compare with the previous years since the regiment was formed.

    6 members of the UDR have been murdered this year. Since the formation of the regiment in 1969 the numbers of UDR members killed have been as follows:

    April—December
    19690
    19700
    19715
    197226
    19738
    19747
    19756
    197615
    197714

    Atomic Weapons Research Establishment

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence if he plans to allow Atomic Weapons Research Establishment employees the opportunity of purchasing the house in which they are living when they have been Atomic Weapons Research Establishment tenants for more than five years.

    Houses are required at AWRE as accommodation for existing staff and their successors. For this reason the general sale of houses to present occupants would be inappropriate.

    Hs146

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence if an RAF operational requirement is anticipated for the HS146 transport aircraft.

    No RAF requirement for the military HS146 transport aircraft is foreseen at present.

    Nuclear Submarines

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence if all British nuclear submarines are equipped with Government-linked fail-safe firing mechanisms designed to prevent submarine commanders firing nuclear weapons on their own initiative.

    The Government are satisfied that the existing stringent measures ensure that all British nuclear weapons, including the Polaris missiles, are under the closest political control and cannot be used without their authority.

    Dispersal

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence if he will make a statement on the sections and location of those parts of his Department which are to be dispersed to Glasgow; and when he envisaged that the dispersal will take place.

    As regards the areas of work to be dispersed to Glasgow I have nothing to add to the answer given to my hon. Friend the Member for Glasgow, Garscadden (Mr. Dewar) on 1st August 1978 —[Vol. 955, c. 305–6.]

    The dispersal dates are those contained in the revised timetable announced by the Lord Privy Seal on 29th July 1977, namely, 1,500 posts for Anderston by 1983–84 and up to 4,000 posts for St. Enoch by 1985–86 to 1987–88.

    Zambia (Arms Supplies)

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence if, in the case of officers and men of the Royal Air Force who have had close relatives in Rhodesia killed and tortured by guerrillas currently sheltered and encouraged by President Kaunda, he will excuse from such duties those officers and men who have a conscientious objection to conveying weapons to Zambia.

    A member of the Armed Forces may apply for a discharge on grounds of conscience but may not be excused from specific duties or functions on these grounds.

    Northern Ireland

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence whether it is proposed to retire all men in the Ulster Defence Regiment over the age limit of 55 years.

    Under the current rules soldiers can expect to serve only until they are 55. However, annual extensions can be granted up to a maximum age of 60 where it is in the interests of the regiment to do so.

    Social Services

    Pay Beds

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services if he will introduce amending legislation to secure a final date for the phasing out of pay beds.

    Family Incomes

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services if he will now bring up to date the net weekly spending power figures published in reply to the hon. Member for Norfolk, North (Official Report 22nd November 1977 and 24th July 1978), showing the relative financial position in and out of work for each family grouping, on the assumption that earnings or previous earnings were £30. £35, £45, £55, £65, £75, £85, £95 and £105 per week, using the new rates of benefits and the new benefit levels due to take effect in November, assuming that the taxpayer is in each case contracted into the new State pension scheme, and including examples for a family with three children as well as for families with each of one, two and four children; and if he will also show in each case the maximum number of weeks for which tax refunds could be payable during sickness or unemployment.

    Family Income Supplement

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services if he will publish a table showing expenditure on family income supplement, at current and at 1978 prices, in each year since it was introduced, and including estimated expenditure for 1978–79.

    The information is as follows:

    Outturn at current prices £ millionOutturn at 1978 prices £ million
    1971–723·79·1
    1972–739·822·6
    1973–7412·626·6
    1974–7511·821·3
    1975–7611·917·0
    1976–7717·621·9
    1977–7825·327'3
    1978–79 (estimated)26·026·0

    General Practitioners

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services if he will now ask each regional health authority to prepare information about the use of commercial deputising services used by general practitioners.

    Consent to use a deputising service is given by family practitioner committees and the task of preparing information about such services would fall to those authorities. It is important that family practitioner committees concentrate on the implementation of the code of practice for deputising services which was issued in April, and I have not yet considered it necessary to ask for returns of information from them.

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services if he will list in the Official Report the elements within a productivity settlement for the pay of general practitioners which could be allowed in excess of 5 per cent.

    The Review Body on Doctors' and Dentists' Remuneration recommends the level of fees and allowances for general practitioners and in its latest, eighth, report says

    "The concept of a ' self-financing productivity scheme' is not and cannot be appropriate to the basis of remuneration for a profession whose continuing concern is with the prevention and control of disease and with the care and treatment of patients."
    Moreover, the Review Body's 1978 recommendations, which have been accepted by the Government, are intended to provide doctors, by stages in 1979 and 1980, with fully up-to-date levels of remuneration by comparison with other appropriate professional groups.

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services how many general practitioners there are to every 100,000 of the population in each region in the United Kingdom.

    The number of genera; practitioners to every 100,000 of the population in each region in England and in Wales on 1st July 1976, the last year for which appropriate population figures are available, is shown in the table below.

    GENERAL MEDICAL PRACTITIONERS*
    England and Wales
    Region and Number per 100,000 Population
    Northern43
    Yorkshire44
    Trent41
    East Anglia44
    North West Thames49
    North East Thames47
    South East Thames46
    South West Thames47
    Wessex46
    Oxford43
    South Western47
    West Midlands43
    Mersey42
    North Western42
    Wales47
    * Unrestricted principals only.
    I shall send my hon. Friend the information in respect of Scotland and Northern Ireland.

    Burton District Hospital Centre

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services what proposals he has for completing the Improvements projected for the Burton district hospital centre.

    The Staffordshire area health authority is proposing to continue the development of the Burton district hospital centre by a series of schemes of about £2 million each up to a total cost of about £10 million. This will enable the progressive transfer of major services from Burton general hospital to the hospital centre. It is not possible at this stage to specify the individual schemes or to give any timetable for them but firm proposals will be put to the West Midlands regional health authority as soon as possible. At present a number of minor schemes of improvement are being put in hand.

    Myoelectric Hands

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services how many myoelectric hands have been purchased for patients on the National Health Service; and if he will give a breakdown of use by region of the United Kingdom.

    Provision has been made for the supply of myoelectric hands to 25 children in England and Wales who have been selected to take part in the trial of the hand which I announced in my reply to my hon. Friend the Member for Stoke-on-Trent, South (Mr. Ashley) on 19th June—[Vol. 952, c. 2–5.]The children were chosen, in accordance with the clinical criteria adopted, on a national basis from the records main-mined by the artificial limb and appliance service. Fourteen of the children live in the North of England and 11 in the South of England and in Wales. Fitting is now being undertaken in accordance with a planned programme at the Roehampton and Manchester limb fitting centres.My right hon. Friend the Secretary of State for Scotland is co-operating in this evaluation so far as children in Scotland are concerned.

    Departmental Staff

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services what saving of departmental staff he estimates will result from the simplified loan approval system for local authority social services capital programmes announced recently.

    The introduction of the simplified loan approval system will save eight departmental staff and enable others to be redeployed. The redeployed staff will be engaged on providing improved and extended guidance about building standards and costs, and advice, on request about particular schemes. This will enable the Department to offer a better service to local authorities to assist them in obtaining the best value they can for the money that they spend.

    Occupational Therapists

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services how many occupational therapists are being trained annually; if he is satisfied that the numbers are sufficient; and if he will make a statement.

    605 students began occupational therapy training in Great Britain in 1977, an increase on preceding years, which should be maintained in 1978. A discussion document covering NHS supply and demand nationally over the next four years is being prepared. Until I have received the comments on that document, I would not wish to take a view as to whether the current rate of expansion is appropriate. I shall write to my hon. Friend.

    Benefits

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services if he will publish a table showing expenditure on each of short-term national insurance benefits and supplementary benefits, at current and at 1978 prices, in every year since 1966, distinguishing between payments to people with and without dependent children and between two-parent families and one-parent families, and including the numbers of claimants and children involved.

    Some information is not held in the form requested and some could only be obtained at disproportionate cost. The first table shows the total cost of each of the short-term national insurance benefits and supplementary allowance without differentiating between persons with and without children. Supplementary allowances will include the cost of long-term rates paid to some persons in receipt of supplementary allowance for two years or more. The

    TABLE 1
    £ million
    Sickness benefitUnemployment benefitMaternity allowanceInjury benefitSupplementary allowance
    Current prices1978 pricesCurrent prices1978 pricesCurrent prices1978 pricesCurrent prices1978 pricesCurrent prices1978 prices
    1966–6726285978256175632105132433
    1967–683231,043122394165235113193623
    1968–693481,061123375195834104221674
    1969–703861,11912736819553499245710
    1970–713791,02715040619513389279756
    1971–7232680523959022543177366904
    1972–7329568120948323533376416961
    1973–7431466317436725533472412869
    1974–7535864421438531563563532958
    1975–76443629454645405739557791,106
    1976–77518648559699668246581,0601,325
    1977–78613662629679778350541,3161,421
    1978–79*655655688688858551511,3901,390
    * Estimated
    TABLE 2
    Thousands
    Sickness benefit*Unemployment benefit †Maternity allowance ‡Injury benefit*Supplementary allowances ç
    ClaimantsChildrenClaimantsChildrenClaimantsChildrenClaimantsChildrenClaimantsChildren
    1966–67N/AN/A276217249N/A74N/AN/AN/A
    1967–68903N/A3182572441976N/A753695
    1968–69934N/A2942352411776N/A777737
    1969–70923N/A2792172321472N/A813770
    1970–71932N/A3022172391365N/A836783
    1971–72857433459343243135652990958
    1972–734552983522292211155501,002941
    1973–74449299197131214105349831789
    1974–7545530925918121685049872867
    1975–764032845253222521145431,1131,069
    1976–77424288587362243949391,2531,166
    1977–78452302561284N/AN/A46371,2531,149
    1978–79N/AN/AN/AN/AN/AN/AN/AN/A1,215N/A
    * Numbers in receipt of sickness and injury benefit are based on a sample of claims made on a day in June. Long-term sickness cases received invalidity benefit from 23rd September 1971.
    † Numbers in receipt of unemployment benefit are based on a 5 per cent, sample of claims made on a day in November except for 1976 which was a 4 per cent, sample in May.
    % Numbers for maternity allowance are the number of claims in the year ending March based on a sample The numbers of children are also annual figures but the relevant year ending was not March in all years.
    ç The numbers of supplementary allowance claimants will include some persons in receipt of the short-term national insurance benefits. Prior to November 1977 the figures were obtained by counting live documents in supplementary benefit local offices. From that date the figures are estimates derived from a sample of cases receiving a payment for the week of the inquiry and exclude some cases previously included in the count. With the exception of 1978, which is based on a May sample, figures relate to a week in November.

    Sharoe Green Hospital

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services when he expects to give approval to the siting of new kitchens at Sharoe Green hospital in the light of representations made to him.

    I received on 17th October a deputation from the Save the Trees and Lawn Action Committee led by my hon. Friends the Members for Preston, second table gives the numbers of claimants and dependent children.North (Mr. Atkins) and Preston, South (Mr. Thorne). I am carefully considering the representations made to me.

    Nurses

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services how many nurses per patient there are in the Yorkshire Region in surgical, medical, and other specialties compared to the number there were in 1970, 1971, 1972, 1973, 1974, 1975, 1976 and 1977.

    I regret that the above information is not available by surgical, medical and other specialties. The following shows the number of nursing and midwifery staff—whole-time equivalent—in the NHS per 100,000 population in Yorkshire for the years 1974 to 1977—inclusive—at 30th September. This information is not available on a comparable basis prior to NHS reorganisation.

    YearNursing and midwifery staff (WTE)Nursing and midwifery staff per 100,000 population in Yorkshire
    197423,752663·5
    197525,577715·1
    197625,563715·2
    197726,282735·8

    Hospital Waiting Lists

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services what is the number on the waiting list at the hospitals in Huddersfield for surgical, medical, and other kinds of operations or treatment.

    PERSONAL SOCIAL SERVICES: ENGLAND
    YearTotal staffActual net revenue expenditureNet revenue expenditure revalued to November 1977 prices
    £m£m
    1971–72N/A242·6572·5
    1972–73134,500307·8663·5
    1973–74151,200396·7754·4
    1974–75166,200570·3864·5
    1975–76179,100768·8945·0
    1976–77183,900900·7971·5
    1977–78188,500 (estimated)1,003·3986·1
    NOTE:
    1. Staffing figures at 30th September each year.
    2. Net revenue expenditure includes debt charges and capital met from revenue.

    Health (Expenditure)

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services what percentage of the gross national product was devoted to health matters in 1970, 1971, 1972, 1973, 1974, 1975, 1976, 1977, to the latest available date; and what information he has about how this compares with the amount spent in other countries.

    The gross domestic product at factor cost is the measure most readily available for comparisons of this kind. The figures derived from the 1978 Central Statistical Office publication " National Income Expenditure " indicate that the National Health Service in the

    At 30th June 1978 there were 2,031 patients on the waiting list for admission to hospitals in Huddersfield.

    Personal Social Services

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services if he will publish a table showing for each year since 1963 the number of people employed in the personal social services, and total expenditure on personal social services both at current and at 1978 prices.

    Available staff and expenditure figures for the personal social services for years prior to the reorganisation of those services under the Local Authority Social Services Act 1970 are not comparable with figures for subsequent years. The table below sets out the information requested from 1971–72. Expenditure figures are given at November 1977 prices; figures at November 1978 prices are not yet available.United Kingdom took the following proportions of the gross domestic product—GDP—at factor cost, in the years 1970 to 1977:

    Percentage of GDP
    19704·7
    19714·7
    19724·8
    19734·7
    19745·3
    19755·7
    19765·7
    19775·6
    Expenditure on health matters is not recorded on a strictly comparable basis in the national accounts of other countries and definitions of "health matters" vary considerably. There are, therefore, serious difficulties in expressing such expenditure as a proportion of GDP in order to allow meaningful comparisons between countries. However the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development —OECD—recently produced a comparison of the percentages of "trend" GDP—that is the GDP figure adjusted to avoid the influence of business fluctuations—at market prices spent in total on health provision in several countries in or around 1974. The percentages are for current expenditure only and as such they are not on the same basis as the United Kingdom only figures shown above.
    Australia (1974–75)6·1
    Austria (1973)5·3
    Belgium4·9
    Canada (1973)6·8
    Finland (1975)5·8
    France6·9
    Germany6·7
    Ireland6·9
    Italy5·7
    Japan3·8
    Netherlands (1972)7·3
    New Zealand (FY 1973–74)5·5
    Spain5·6
    Sweden7·3
    Switzerland (1973)5·0
    United Kingdom (1975)5·2
    United States7·4

    Maternity Grants

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services if, in view of the more effective techniques available in predicting twin births, he will amend the regulations concerning the payment of maternity grants so that double payments can also be made prior to the births.

    I shall consider my hon. Friend's suggestion and write to him about it.

    Darryn Clarke

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services (1) if he will now announce the names of the chairman and members of the committee of inquiry into the death of Darryn Clarke, following representations by the Liverpool city council, and the hon. Member for Liverpool, Scotland Exchange;(2) when he now expects the statutory independent inquiry into the death of Darryn Clarke to begin, following his statement of 23rd August 1978;(3) if he is now in a position to publish the terms of reference of the inquiry into the death of Darryn Clarke following his statement of 23rd August 1978.

    I am pleased to be able to tell my hon. Friend that Mr. John Hugill, QC, has agreed to chair the inquiry which will be held under section 98 of the Children Act 1975 and section 84 of the National Health Service Act 1977. The terms of reference will be:

    To inquire into (a) the information about Darryn Clarke and his family that was made available to the relevant authorities, or could have been obtained by them, during the period preceding his death (b) the responses by the authorities to that information, including the professional decisions made; (c) the arrangements for communication within and between th relevant authorities and between them and other persons and agencies holding information about Darryn Clarke and his family—and to report.
    The ether members of the committee of inquiry will be:

    Mr. John Chant—Director of Social Services. Somerset.
    Professor David Hull—Professor of Child Health, Nottingham university.
    Miss Margaret Lindars—Area Nursing Officer, Buckinghamshire area health authority.

    It is intended to hold a preliminary meeting to decide questions of procedure and representation on 4th December 1978; and to start hearing evidence in Liverpool from 29th January 1979. It is not known how long the inquiry will take, although its task will be completed as quickly as possible.

    After careful consideration of the issues involved I have decided not to issue a direction that the inquiry be held in private. The chairman has discretion, however, to hold any part of the inquiry in private should he think it appropriate.

    The secretary to the committee will be Mr. S. Godfrey of my Department.

    Health Districts

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services how many health districts there were in England on 1st April 1974; and how many there are at the latest available date.

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services if he will list in the Official Report how many health districts there were in each of the 90 area health authorities in England on 1st April 1974 and at the latest available date.

    On 1st April 1974 the number of districts in health areas was as follows:

    Northern region
    Cleveland3
    Cumbria3
    Durham4
    Northumberland1
    Gateshead1
    Newcastle1
    North Tyneside1
    South Tyneside1
    Sunderland1
    Yorkshire region
    Humberside4
    North Yorkshire4
    Bradford2
    Calderdale1
    Kirklees2
    Leeds2
    Wakefield2
    Trent region
    Derbyshire3
    Leicestershire3
    Lincolnshire2
    Nottinghamshire4
    Barnsley1
    Doncaster1
    Rotherham1
    Sheffield3
    East Anglia region
    Cambridgeshire2
    Norfolk3
    Suffolk2
    North-West Thames region
    Bedfordshire2
    Hertfordshire4
    Barnet2
    Brent and Harrow2
    Ealing, Hammersmith and Hounslow4
    Hillingdon1
    Kensington, Chelsea and Westminster3
    North-East Thames region
    Essex5
    Barking and Havering2
    Camden and Islington3
    City and East London3
    Enfield/Haringey2
    Redbridge and Waltham Forest2
    South-East Thames region
    East Sussex3
    Kent6
    Greenwich and Bexley2
    Lambeth, Southwark and Lewisham4
    South-West Thames region
    Surrey7
    West Sussex3
    Croydon1
    Kingston and Richmond1
    Merton, Sutton and Wandsworth3
    Wessex region
    Dorset2
    Hampshire4
    Isle of Wight1
    Wiltshire3
    Oxford region
    Berkshire2
    Buckinghamshire2
    Northamptonshire2
    Oxfordshire1
    South-Western region
    Avon4
    Cornwall and Isles of Scilly1
    Devon4
    Gloucestershire2
    Somerset2
    West Midlands region
    Hereford and Worcester4
    Salop1
    Staffordshire3
    Warwickshire3
    Birmingham5
    Coventry1
    Dudley1
    Sandwell1
    Solihull1
    Walsall1
    Wolverhampton1
    Mersey region
    Cheshire5
    Liverpool2
    St. Helens and Knowsley1
    Sefton2
    Wirral2
    North-Western region
    Lancashire6
    Bolton1
    Bury1
    Manchester3
    Oldham1
    Rochdale1
    Salford1
    Stockport1
    Tameside1
    Trafford1
    Wigan1
    Since 1st April 1974 mergers have taken place in three areas and the current position in these is:

    • Liverpool 1 district
    • Sheffield 2 districts
    • Avon 3 districts

    Resource Allocation Working Party

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services if he will publish the membership and terms of reference of the advisory committee on the effect of the resource allocation working party on inner city policy, Official Report, column 335; and when it is expected to reach conclusions.

    The terms of reference of the advisory group on resource allocation to which my hon. Friend referred on 2nd November are as follows:

    "To consider detailed improvements in the methodology recommended by RAWP, as new data and the results of research studies become available; and to advise on any practicable and desirable changes which could improve the process of resource allocation for the hospital and community health services".
    The group will give me advice from time to time as it reaches conclusions on matters within its remit.

    The membership is:
    • NHS members
    • Mr P E Bathurst
      • Regional Works Officer—NW Thames RHA
    • Mr C Coombes
      • District Finance Officer—South-West Leicester (T) HD
    • Mr M J Fairey
      • Regional Administrator—NE Thames RHA
    • Dr J M Forsythe
      • Regional Medical Officer—South-East Thames RHA
    • Miss B Hall
      • Regional Nursing Officer—West Midlands RHA
    • Mr J C Minty
      • Area Treasurer—Kent AHA
    • Mrs Y Moores
      • Area Nursing Officer—Manchester AHA(T)
    • Mr J W Pearson
      • Regional Administrator—Mersey RHA
    • Dr H G Pledger
      • District Community Physician—Northampton HD
    • Mr M Sharpies
      • Area Treasurer—Tameside AHA
    • Mr A W Sharratt
      • Regional Treasurer—Yorkshire RHA
    • Mr M Slattery
      • Regional Statistician—Wessex RHA
    • Dr Enid Vincent
      • Specialist in Community Medicine—Merton, Sutton and Wandsworth AHA(T)
    • DHSS members
    • Mr R S King (Chairman)
    • Mr J I M Harris
    • Mr J H James
    • Miss C P W Lester
    • Mr R C Longfield
    • Dr A M S Mason
    • Mr R Smith

    Health Authorities

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services if he will list the number of staff in each area health authority in England showing the full establishment of nurses and doctors dealing with the specialties, compared to the actual number in each area health authority at the latest available date.

    I regret that it is not possible to provide the information in the form requested. I will send my hon. Friend the available information as soon as possible.

    Child Benefit

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services if he will list the total amount of child support which will be received by parents in respect of a child in each of the various age brackets (a) when in work, (b) when sick or short-term unemployed and (c) when dependent on supplementary benefit after the changes in child allowances of April 1979 have taken effect.

    Following is the information in weekly amounts:

    AgeIn work* (a)Sick or short-term unemployed † (b)Dependent on supplementary benefit (c)
    £££
    Under 54·004·854·40
    5·104·004·855·30
    11·124·004·856·55
    13·154·004·857·95
    16·174·004·859·55
    18 and over4·00 ‡4·85 ‡12·45
    * An increase of child benefit of £2 is payable in respect of one child in a one-parent family.
    † The rates shown relate to beneficiaries who are either unemployed or sick in the short-term. Higher rates may apply in the case of long-term sickness.
    ‡ There is an upper age limit of 19 for child benefit and national insurance child dependency increases.

    Works Supervisors

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services, pursuant to his reply of 6th November to the hon. Member for Chingford, concerning the pay settlement of National Health Service works supervisors, if the allowances of up to 15 per cent. of basic salary from participation in self-financing incentive bonus schemes will be made only after the savings have actually been achieved.

    Self-financing productivity schemes should be demonstrated to be self-financing before any payments are made. This requirement will be observed in relation to the allowances payable to the works supervisors.

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services in what manner he expects productivity of National Health Service works supervisors to be increased following the recent pay settlement; and if he will state (a) the total net saving on the National Health Service budget resulting from the benefit of the improvement of productivity over the extra cost of pay, and (b) the reduction in numbers of staff which will be made consequent upon the increase in productivity.

    The productivity of the maintenance departments will be increased by the participation of the works supervisors in the craftsmen's schemes. These schemes are being introduced nationally following negotiations with the craftsmen's trade union representatives.The schemes are self-financing and the supervisors who will have to undertake

    19471975
    RateRankRateRank
    Netherlands34110·62
    Denmark40210·41
    United Kingdom44316·05
    Luxembourg60414·84
    Irish Republic68518·07
    Belgium69616·27
    France71714·7*3
    Federal Republic of Germany84819·78
    Italy84820·99
    * 1974

    Child Health

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services why he has decided to introduce automatic data processing for the standard child health system; and if he will publish in the Official Report a detailed paper explaining the benefits of such a system.

    Computerisation of child health records is not new. The NHS is developing a standard child health system for use in a field where computerisation has already existed for a long time. Before NHS reorganisation in 1974, local government authorities were responsible for the particular child health services concerned, and some local authorities held the records on computers. These systems have operated for some years. Unfortunately, these particular computer systems cannot easily be transferred to computers used in the NHS and some rationalisation additional work will be entitled to allowances of up to 15 per cent. from the savings achieved. Savings will be secured by more efficient use of labour, overtime reductions, higher standards of maintenance and hence greater efficiency in running plant such as boiler houses. Payment of the allowances is dependent upon the schemes achieving and maintaining their financial viability.

    Infant Mortality

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services whether he will publish a table showing infant mortality for all EEC countries; and how the relative position of the United Kingdom compares with her relative position to the same countries in the last year before the National Health Service was established.

    The numbers of deaths of children under one year of age per 1,000 live births are as follows: is necessary. That is why a new standard system is being developed. The absence of a standard system would simply mean that existing local systems, and new local systems as they develop, would not enjoy the economic and other advantages that a standard system can bring. The standard system is being developed by the child health computing committee which is composed mainly of doctors, nurses and other representatives of the NHS together with some representatives of my Department. Their recommendations will be made to my Department in due course, and subject to their acceptability my Department will commend them to health authorities.The use of computers offers considerable advantages over keeping records in manual systems. An important advantage is that it is easier to ensure that parents are invited to bring their children to the doctor for periodic screening examinations. This means that important preventive services will be used to the fullest possible extent, which is vital to the health of children generally and especially of those in greatest need. Much of the administrative work involved is of a routine nature which a computer can handle accurately, quickly and cheaply: this can be of great benefit to better child health.

    Normansfield Hospital, Surrey

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services when the report on the inquiry into patient care and staff morale at Normansfield hospital, Surrey, is to be published.

    Free Telephones (Hartlepools)

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services how many applications have been made for free telephones in the Hartlepool district up to the latest available date; how many have been granted; and what numbers of retired and disabled persons have been refused.

    Information collected centrally is about services provided by social services authorities and I am unable to break this down in respect of non-metropolitan districts. My hon. Friend may, however, be able to obtain the information he seeks from the local authority concerned.

    Mobility Allowance

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services whether he has been able to give further consideration to the possibility of extending the upper age limits for the receipt of mobility allowance and whether he is now able to make a statement.

    I am pleased to announce that we intend to make two changes to the upper age limits for the receipt of mobility allowance. Firstly, we will provide equal treatment for men and women so that both can establish entitlement to the allowance up to the age of 65. This means that for women, the upper age limit for entry is accordingly raised from 60 to 65.

    Secondly, once the allowance is awarded it may be retained until the age of 75, by both men and women.

    I am sure these changes will be greatly welcomed by the women who are affected and by the many thousands of beneficiaries who might otherwise no longer enjoy their allowance after pensionable age.

    The changes will cost £5½ million in 1979–80 and the cost will rise to £20 million after four years. The legislative provisions to give effect to the changes will be included in the Social Security Bill which is to be presented today.

    Concessionary Television Licences

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services if he will list those local authorities in the United Kingdom which provide concessionary television licence schemes for retired people, apart from those retired people living in sheltered accommodation, who are eligible for 5p television licences.

    I am having a list compiled of the 68 authorities in England which assisted people aged 65 years and over with the cost of television licences during the year ended 31st of March 1977.

    Northern Ireland

    Salmon Poaching

    asked the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland if he is satisfied with the measures taken to prevent the poaching of salmon in the Foyle Fisheries Commission area during the 1978 season; and if he will make a statement.

    I am in general satisfied with the measures taken to prevent salmon poaching in the Foyle area in 1978 although I shall never be wholly satisfied until poaching has been eliminated.The Foyle fisheries commission successfully prosecuted in the whole of its area in 1978, 90 persons for 267 illegal fishing offences, 80 cases against 43 persons are still outstanding. Furthermore 40 boats, six outboard engines, 439 nets, 43 rods, 98 salmon and one motor vehicle were seized.

    Gas Industry

    asked the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland (1) if he has yet completed his inquiries into the state of the Northern Ireland gas industry, and what steps he now intends to take to provide a supply of North Sea gas to Northern Ireland;(2) what steps he now intends to take to extend the supply of North Sea gas to Northern Ireland.

    , pursuant to his reply [Official Report, 6th November 1978; Vol. 957, c. 87], gave the following information:I and my officials are fully aware of the problems of the gas industry in Northern Ireland. But decisions affecting the gas industry cannot be taken in isolation from their fundamental implications for other energy industries in the Province. My officials, in close collaboration with the Department of Energy and others, are examining urgently the options for dealing with Northern Ireland's energy needs as a whole. Those concerned will be fully consulted before final decisions are taken.

    Prison Officers (Dispute)

    asked the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland what steps he is taking to resolve the dispute with prison officers in the prisons of Northern Ireland.

    The present dispute results from a claim for an increase from £3 to £5 per day in the emergency allowance payable to prison officers in Northern Ireland.Discussions are continuing with the Prison Officer's Association. I believe that this allowance is an appropriate matter for the inquiry into prison service conditions throughout the United Kingdom, since its remit will include pay and conditions of service. I hope that in the light of this independent review the prison officers in Northern Ireland will demonstrate their responsibility and return to normal duties.