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Written Answers

Volume 975: debated on Monday 10 December 1979

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Written Answers To Questions

Monday 10 December 1979

Home Department

Obscene Publications Act 1959

30.

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department how many prosecutions have been brought summarily and on indictment, respectively for which figures are available; and how many in each category resulted in convictions for offences against the Obscene Publications Act 1959 in the last convenient period.

The information available relates to offences under the Obscene Publications Acts of both 1959 and 1964. In 1978, the latest year for which figures are available, 142 persons were tried summarily in England and Wales for offences under these Acts and 124 were found guilty; in the same period 41 persons were tried at the crown court for such offences and 34 were found guilty. Information on such proceedings at magistrates' courts is published annually in "Criminal Statistics, England and Wales" (table 1(a)(iii) of the volume for 1978. Cmnd. 7670).

Immigration

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department if he is satisfied that the proposed new immigration rules are compatible with the United Kingdom's obligations under the European Convention on Human Rights.

I have nothing to add to the reply I gave to a question by the hon. Member for York (Mr. Lyon) on 30 November.—[Vol. 974, c. 813.]

Polyurethane Foam

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department what has been the result of the consideration by the Central Fire Brigades Advisory Councils of the implications of the increasing hazard presented by the ignitability of polyurethane foam in upholstered furniture.

I understand that the preparation of the reports on the fires at Woolworths store, Manchester, and Hartopp Court nursing home, Sutton Coldfield, in the context of which these implications are being considered, is well advanced.

Gibson Inquiry

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department when the Gibson inquiry is expected to report.

The regional director of the South-East region, Mr. Keith Gibson, is still conducting inquiries into the incident at Wormwood Scrubs and it is too soon to say when his report will be available.

Television Licences (Concessionary Schemes)

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department if he will introduce a concessionary scheme in respect of television licences for pensioners which will be available to every pensioner within the United Kingdom.

Local Government Elections (Wirral)

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department when he will be in a position to rule on whether committes will be assigned or whether there will be an election of the whole council for the metropolitan borough of the Wirral in May 1980.

The order made on 23 November 1979 providing new electoral arrangements for the borough of Wirral includes provision for the assignment of all the serving councillors to the new wards. One of the three councillors for each new ward will be elected at the elections to be held on 1 May 1980.

Listening Devices

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department if, pursuant to his answer of 5 December, he will list the listening devices which are used in the detection of alleged fraud.

I am not in a position to do so; the use of equipment is an operational matter for each chief officer of police.

Camp Hill Prison (Disturbance)

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department how many medical officers were present at the disturbance at Camp Hill prison on 20 September; where they came from; if any prisoners were injected; if so, with what and for what purpose; if any were forcibly injected; if he will make a full statement on the events leading up to the disturbance; and what steps were taken to control it and afterwards.

The medical officer for Camp Hill prison saw all the inmates involved in the demonstration in St. George's hall immediately after it took place. No inmate was injured and no treatment of any sort was required or administered. As to the circumstances and control of the demonstration, I refer the hon. Member to the replies I gave to his questions on 5 and 15 November.—[Vol. 973, c. 13–15, 721–22.… All the inmates who had taken part in the demonstration were adjudicated upon on 21 September, when the normal regime of the hall resumed.

Overseas Visitors (Overstaying)

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department what is the proportion of visitors to the United Kingdom which is subsequently checked for possible overstaying, the proportion of those so checked which has in fact overstayed and the proportion of those which has overstayed which cannot be located within a three-month period; and what is the proportion of those which is located which is subsequently deported.

I regret that this information is not available. I referred to the problem of overstayers in the course of the debate on 4 December. It is the normal practice to report those overstayers who are detected and who have no claim under the immigration rules to remain and do not leave voluntarily.

Iranian Nationals

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department if, pursuant to his answer relating to monthly admissions of Iranian nationals to the United Kingdom in the Official Report, 4 December, column 99, he will publish a breakdown of the figures of entries for each month (a) by reason of entry, (b) by length of permitted stay, (c) by number subsequently asking for an extension of stay and (d) by number granted an extension.

Immigration Service

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department what action is taken to measure the effectiveness of the immigration service as a whole, by port of entry, and the individual effectiveness of each member of staff.

The work of the immigration service generally and of its individual members is not of a kind which enables quantifiable measurement of its effectiveness to be made.

Parenthood

asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department what advice is given to parents registering a child born as a result of artificial insemination by donor as to the legal requirements relating to parenthood.

I have been asked to reply.At birth registration, the registrar asks for the names of the father and mother of the child and it is the informant's responsibility to give the information to the best of his or her knowledge and belief. Advice about the legal status of any child that may be born following artificial insemination by a donor should be given to the mother and her husband by their medical or legal advisers.

Employment

Health And Safety At Work (Prosecutions)

asked the Secretary of State for Employment how many prosecutions have been brought under section 6 of the Health and Safety at Work etc. Act 1974; and how many and what percentage of such prosecutions has resulted in convictions and how many in acquitals.

The chairman of the Health and Safety Commission informs me that 74 prosecutions have been brought by Health and Safety Executive inspectorates under section 6 of the Health and Safety at Work etc. Act involving 91 informations. Of these, 76 (84 per cent.) resulted in convictions; 12 were dismissed and 3 withdrawn. Information in this detail is not available about prosecutions by local authorities.

Industrial Accidents

asked the Secretary of State for Employment how many deaths at work and how many reportable accidents were reported in each six-month period from 1 January 1974 to 1 July 1979, respectively.

The chairman of the Health and Safety Commission has provided me with the figures in the table below. Before 1978, some inspectorates compiled figures annually only. From 1978, the figures include accidents in the field covered by the Health and Safety at Work etc. Act 1974, not reportable under previous legislation. An estimate for 1978 excluding these "new entrants" is shown in the table for comparability.

REPORTED ACCIDENTS AT WORK
FatalTotal
1974651337,590
1975620328,515
1976584325,010
1977524327,309
1978*
Excluding "new entrants"498329,200
Including "new entrants"621346,015
January-June307170,979†
July-December314172,480†
1979*
JanuaryJuly316164,130†
* Provisional.
†Excluding non-serious accidents in mines, other than NCB, and quarries, for which only annual figures are available.

Farm Safety

asked the Secretary of State for Employment if, in view of the increase in deaths on farms from 17 in the first six months of 1978 to 34 in the first six months of 1979, he will seek to amend the Health and Safety at Work etc. Act so as to require farmers to give access to trade union safety representatives.

I am informed by the chairman of the Health and Safety Commission that there are no plans at present to recommend changes to the Health and Safety at Work etc. Act 1974 to require farmers to give access to trade union safety representatives.

Fatalities due to agricultural operations in 1978 were the lowest on record, the comparative figures for recent years being:

1974104
1975101
1976108
1977105
197873
1979
(to 30/11/79) 72, with a further 20 waiting confirmation.

As there is no set pattern for the incidence of fatal accidents comparisons between 1978 and other years, or parts thereof, can be misleading.

Airfix Limited

asked the Secretary of State for Employment (1) if he will reduce the redundancy rebate payable to Airfix Ltd. resulting from the closure of Meecano, Liverpool, by the maximum of 10 per cent.; and if he will institute proceedings under the Redundancy Payments Act in view of the fact that it has failed to issue the statutory 90 days' notice;(2) whether his Department was notified by Airfix Ltd. of its intention to claim special circumstances with regard to its failure to issue 90 days' notice of redundancy to the employees of Meccano Ltd.; and if so, what reasons it has given for its action.

The Department has written to both Meccano Ltd. and the parent company Airfix Ltd. asking, as a matter of urgency, whether there were special circumstances rendering it "not reasonably practicable" to give the Department the 90 days' notice of redundancy required under the Employment Protection Act 1975, and, if so, what these were. Until a reply is received, it is not possible to say whether or not a penalty is appropriate.

Employment Protection

asked the Secretary of State for Employment what adjustment would be needed in each of the limits listed in the draft statutory instrument, The Employment Protection (Variation of Limits) Order 1979, to restore them to their values at the time of introduction.

The weekly earnings limit for redundancy payments was fixed at £40 in 1965. An increase to approximately £160 would be necessary to keep in line with increases in the retail price index to September 1979. The earnings limits for the insolvency provisions and for basic awards under the unfair dismissal provisions of the Employment Protection (Consolidation) Act 1978 have, since their introduction, been the same as that applied to redundancy payments.The limit for guarantee pay was fixed initially at £6 per day in February 1977. Based on the RPI increase to September 1979, a current figure of £8 would have the same value.

Consett And Stanley

asked the Secretary of State for Employment what are the numbers and percentage rates of unemployment at Consett and Stanley for men, women and young persons.

In the area covered by the Consett and Stanley employment offices, the numbers of males and females registered as unemployed at 8 November were 2,277 and 1,132 respectively. The November figures for Stanley include Lanchester, which was previously a separate employment office area. The unemployment rates for the Consett travel-to-work area, which comprises the Consett and Stanley employment office areas, were 11·3 per cent. for males and 10£1 per cent. for females.Unemployment figures for young people can be obtained from the quarterly age analyses, the latest of which was for 11 October. The numbers unemployed at that date were 2,074 males and 1,110 females, of which 332 males and 350 females were under 20 years of age. Rates of unemployment for young people are not calculated for local areas.

Shell Tanker Drivers

asked the Secretary of State for Employment if the Advisory, Conciliation and Arbitration Service has been brought into the dispute concerning Shell tanker drivers; and if he will make a statement.

I understand that ACAS has held a joint meeting with representatives of management and the Transport and General Workers Union and that the parties have subsequently held separate discussions. No agreement has yet emerged but ACAS remains in close touch with both sides.

Bakery Industry

asked the Secretary of State for Employment from which organisations he received representations, or which organisations he consulted, about the Bakery Industry (Hours of Work) Act 1954 before reaching the view that it was anomalous and unsatisfactory.

I have received representations from the National Association of Master Bakers, Confectioners and Caterers and the Federation of Bakers.

asked the Secretary of State for Employment what new factors have emerged since the report of the Rees committee in 1951 which made its recommendation as embodied in the Bakery Industry (Hours of Work) Act 1954, anomalous and unsatisfactory in the opinion of his Department; and if he will make a statement.

In accordance with the hopes expressed by the Rees committee, voluntary agreements have in fact regulated night baking for many years past. Accordingly, exemption orders have been made which relieved the bakers concerned from the statutory restrictions. The agreement covering the master bakers has however been amended under pressure from the bakers' union to include a union recruitment clause which is unacceptable to the majority of master bakers. This clause has nothing to do with the purpose of the Act, and I regard it as highly anomalous and unsatisfactory that a workers' welfare Act should be capable of being used to bring pressure to bear on master bakers to observe such a clause.

Legal Aid

asked the Attorney-General what is the present annual cost of criminal and civil legal aid, respectively.

The Supply Estimates for 1979–80 provide for a net cost in England and Wales of approximately £62·2 million for criminal legal aid, and of approximately £49 million for civil legal aid and advice and assistance. Civil legal aid, legal advice and assistance and legal aid in criminal cases in magistrates' courts fall on the Vote of the Lord Chancellor, while criminal legal aid in the higher courts falls on the Vote of my right hon. Friend the Home Secretary.

asked the Attorney-General what is the estimated percentage of the population eligible for legal aid.

Eligibility for the civil legal aid depends upon a number of factors and it is not possible to give a precise answer. However, it is estimated that about 75 per cent. of the adult population is eligible. It is not possible to gibe a similar estimate for criminal legal aid because there is no eligibility.

Court Proceedings (Delay)

asked the Attorney-General how long, on average, the cases currently in the warned list of cases of motions for hearings in the Divisional Court of the Queen's Bench Division of applications for judicial review or orders of certiorari, prohibition and mandamus, other than cases in the expedited list, have been waiting for hearing since leave to apply for such relief was granted; and how long the greatest delay has been to date in waiting for hearing of such a motion.

The average waiting time for these cases is approximately two years. The greatest delay to date has been two years, three months. In order to reduce waiting time, two divisional courts are now sitting instead of one.

Treason (Prosecutions)

38.

asked the Attorney-General how many cases of possible prosecution for treason or under section 1 of the Official Secrets Act have been considered by him since he took office in May.

Apart from my consideration of the Blunt case which I explained fully to the House in the Adjournment debate on 21 November, there has been only one case under section 1 which has been reported to me and which I am currently considering.

Immigration Rules

asked the Attorney-General what consideration he has given to the question of the compatibility of the new immigration rules with the United Kingdom's obligations under the European Convention on Human Rights.

It would not be in accordance with accepted principles with regard to the confidentiality of Law Officers' advice for me to disclose the legal questions upon which I have been consulted.

Traitors (Immunity)

36.

asked the Attorney-General whether he is satisfied with the arrangements for granting immunity to traitors.

I am satisfied with the arrangements as stated in the House by my right hon. Friend the Prime Minister on 21 November.

Jury Vetting

37.

asked the Attorney-General if he has concluded his consideration of the guidelines on jury vetting.

I refer the hon. Member to the oral answer, which I gave earlier to the hon. Member for Battersea, South (Mr. Dubs).

Search Inquiries (House Purchase)

40.

asked the Attorney-General if he is satisfied that the information that local authorities need to supply in response to search inquiries is adequate to protect house purchasers.

It is not considered that this information is inadequate for the purposes for which it is sought. The Lord Chancellor will be writing to the hon. Member about the case he has raised in correspondence.

Bingham Report

41.

asked the Attorney-General when he now expects action by the Director of Public Prosecutions on matters referred to him arising out of the Bingham report.The Attorney-General: I shall be making a statement to the House as soon as possible.

Education And Science

Iranian Students

asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science how many Iranian students are currently studying at (a) United Kingdom schools and (b) United Kingdom colleges and universities.

In 1977–78, the latest year for which information is available, there were 10,079 students from Iran studying at universities and maintained, grant-aided and assisted establishments of further and higher education in the United Kingdom. Additional information, from the British Council, about students at private colleges and in professional training indicates that the total including them would be about 12,000.My Department does not collect this information for schools.

asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science if he will list by individual establishment the numbers of Iranian students currently enrolled in universities or other institutes of higher education.

This information is not available, on grounds of disproportionate cost. For the total number of such students I refer my hon. Friend to the answer I gave my hon. Friend the Member for Brigg and Scunthorpe (Mr. Brown) today.

University Teachers (Pay)

asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science what progress was made in the negotiations on university teachers' salaries at the meeting arranged for 3 December; if the principles laid down in the Leggatt arbitration award 1974 were taken into consideration; and if he will make a statement.

Negotiations began and a further meeting has been arranged. It would not be helpful to seek to conduct pay negotiations in public.

Nursery Education (Oxfordshire)

asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science what reply he has received from Oxfordshire county council to his letter requesting details of its decision to discontinue nursery classes.

I have been informed by the county secretary that the Oxfordshire county council has proposed to reduce expenditure on nursery education by £386,500 by 1982–83. This would involve the closure of several, but not all, of its nursery schools and nursery classes. The council has also instructed its chief education officer to prepare a report for consideration in the new year on the provision of alternative arrangements for the education of under-fives.

Erith School

asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science what reply he has made to the notification sent to him by Bexley local authority under section 13 of the Education Act 1944 concerning the future of Erith school.

School Buildings

asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science, pursuant to his reply to the hon. Member for Wolverhampton, North-East on 20 November, if he will list in the Official Reportwhat school buildings could be provided for £399,000.

£160,000 of Wolverhampton's planning allocation for school building in 1980–81 is earmarked for energy conservation: it is for the authority to decide how to use the balance of £239,000. Additional places could be provided on a permanent or temporary basis; existing school buildings could be replaced, remodelled or improved or a combination of such projects could be undertaken. The allocation would permit about 250 primary or 150 secondary places to be built in permanent construction.

Lisa James And Jacqueline Nutt

asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science, in view of the delays in reaching a decision which have prevented the children concerned from attending a school of their choice since 2 September, if he will as a matter of urgency make a direction, in accordance with the provisions of section 37 of the Education Act 1944 for the placing of Lisa James and Jacqueline Nutt into Hanham high school in the county of Avon where there are places available for them.

I am informed that the Avon local education authority has agreed to admit both girls to Hanham high school from 10 December.

Overseas Students

asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science what controls exist for the Government to monitor the number of overseas students overall and at individual establishments of higher education in the public and the private sectors, respectively.

Information on numbers of overseas students at universities and public sector institutions is obtained by way of annual statistical returns. Government control currently consists in making provision in university grant and rate support grant consistent with a planned total number of such students. My right hon. and learned Friend has no responsibility in this respect as regards the private sector.

Non-Advanced Further Education

asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science what is the amount of money to be allocated to the expansion of non-advanced further education to which reference is made in paragraph 33 of Cmnd. 7746; over what period it will be allocated; and by what means it will be made available, whether through rate support grant or otherwise, to ensure its expenditure on the declared objective.

The Government's plans for 1980–81 allow for provision for home students in non-advanced further education to increase by some £20 million compared with the estimated level in 1978–79. This is reflected in the rate support grant settlement for local authorities announced on 16 November.

Dental Health Lessons

asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science how many dental health education lessons and projects were carried out in nursery, junior and secondary schools in 1978.

Energy

Glasshouse Growers

28.

asked the Secretary of State for Energy if he will make a statement on continuity of fuel supplies for British glasshouse growers during the current winter.

Overall supplies of fuel oil are expected to be adequate this winter, provided there is no interruption to crude oil supplies.

Windscale

asked the Secretary of State for Energy (1) when he expects to receive the report of the Health and Safety Executive into the radiation leak at Wind scale first discovered on 10 October 1976; and why this leak has not yet been stopped;(2) what further reports into the operations at Windscale he expects to receive, and when, from the Health and Safety Executive;(3) what discussions he has had with the Health and Safety Executive concerning British Nuclear Fuels Ltd. over a second radiation leak at Windscale; and what action he intends to take;(4) what is his assessment of the danger to the public caused by the radiation leaks at Windscale; and if he will make a statement.

[pursuant to his reply, 5 December 1979, c. 222…: The first leak to which the hon. Member refers, of contaminated water from the B38 storage silo, was found on 10 October 1976. The bulk of the resulting activity is at present confined to within a few metres of the site of the leak. BNFL and the Government Departments and agencies concerned are checking regularly to determine whether any migration is occurring. There is no evidence of any hazard to workers at Windscale; to the environment beyond the immediate vicinity of the buildings concerned; or to the public generally.BNFL has been advised that the most effective way to stop this leak would be to empty the silo of water, solid and semisolid waste and reprocess these. The company is pursuing urgently the development of schemes to do this, but it will be a considerable time before the necessary remote control equipment, techniques and ancillary processes can be developed and installed. Attempts to seal the silo from the inside without emptying it would be of doubtful effectiveness. They might also prejudice the possibility of emptying the silo, as the result of solidification of contaminated sealing material. Attempts to seal from the outside would involve exposure of workers to radioactivity, besides being of uncertain effectiveness. Since the evidence is that the additional activity which may leak out in the next few years will be small compared with the amount which has already been released and that this is contained in the vicinity of the silo, the company is to continue with the development of the emptying route. But in parallel with this, the company has been required by the Nuclear Installations Inspectorate to develop contingency plans for sealing from the inside without emptying, and also for undertaking the major engineering work involved in building a curtain wall round the silo should the results of monitoring make either necessary.The second leak, of high activity liquid, from a building no longer in operational use, was stopped as soon as it was discovered. In this case also the bulk of the resulting activity is confined to the immediate area of the leak. The activity is being monitored regularly and, as was made clear in an interim report published by the Health and Safety Executive on 17 May, there is no evidence of any hazard to site workers, the environment beyond the area concerned or to the public.The HSE is to publish three separate reports on safety at Windscale. The present position on these is as follows:

  • (a) a report on the leak, from the B38 silo is being prepared for publication;
  • (b) a final report on the second leak of highly active liquids is being prepared by the Nuclear Installations Inspector (NII), which has recently completed its investigations;
  • (c) a third report will be concerned with the findings of the review of safety arrangements at Windscale which I announced on 26 July. The review is under way, but the review team does not expect to complete its task and prepare its report for some time.
  • National Coal Board Farms

    asked the Secretary of State for Energy if he will instruct the National Coal Board to sell off the National Coal Board farms.

    I understand that the policy of the National Coal Board, which it has pursued for many years, is to sell agricultural land which is surplus to its future deepmined and opencast operational requirements. Under this policy the Board sold 1,700 acres in 1978–79.

    Power Stations (Coal Costs)

    asked the Secretary of State for Energy what estimate he has made of the likely average price of imported coal delivered to United Kingdom power stations for the next year.

    No such estimate has been made. Import prices depend upon contracts between the electricity boards and their suppliers and freight carriers, and are commercially confidential.

    Energy Conservation

    asked the Secretary of State for Energy when he expects to announce further initiatives aimed at achieving greater energy conservation and a more rational use of energy.

    [pursuant to his reply, 26 November 1979, c. 427–28…: I propose, subject to the necessary consultation procedure, to reduce from 68°F to 66°F the temperature above which it is illegal to use fuel to heat non-domestic buildings.

    Nuclear Waste (Transportation)

    asked the Secretary of State for Energy when he hopes to receive the report of the study announced by the Under-Secretary of State, Official Report, 15 November column 724, into a situation which assumes that a flask of steel, carrying irradiated fuel elements has been damaged with a hole in it; and if he will make a statement.

    Arrangements for the study are being made, and it will be completed as soon as possible.

    Wales

    National Eisteddfod

    asked the Secretary of State for Wales what cash grants have been made by the Exchequer to the Royal Welsh National Eisteddfod in the last decade.

    Grants amounting to £325,000 have been made, all since 1977–78 and entirely towards costs associated with the Eisteddfod pavilion. In addition, up to £70,000 will be paid in the current financial year.

    Herbicide 2,4,5-T

    asked the Secretary of State for Wales if he will list the representations he has received from Wales concerning the complaints about the use of the weedkiller 2,4,5-T, and if he will make a statement.

    British Steel Corporation

    asked the Secretary of State for Wales when he last met the chairman of the British Steel Corporation to discuss the future of the steel industry in South Wales

    Development Board For Rural Wales

    asked the Secretary of State for Wales what is the proposed financial allocation to be given to the Development Board for Rural Wales for the year 1980–81; and how much of a cut this represents as compared with the board's allocation for the year 1979–80.

    The planned allocation to the Development Board for Rural Wales for 1980–81 based on the figures in Cmnd. 7746 is £6 million. This compares with £9·4 million actually allocated for 1979–80, which included a supplementary of £3·8 million transferred from other Welsh Office programmes over the original £5·6 million.

    asked the Secretary of State for Wales when he last met a deputation from the Development Board for Rural Wales; who were the persons present from his office and the Development Board for Rural Wales, respectively; and what subjects were discussed.

    I met the chairman and two members of the board on 4 December. The chief executive and the development director of the board and officials of my Department were also present. We discussed the future work of the board.

    asked the Secretary of State for Wales what proportion of the Development Board for Rural Wales' financial allocation for the year 1980–81 will be allocated for spending (a) in Newtown and (b) outside Newtown; and what proportion of its allocation is proposed to be allocated to its social development fund.

    It is anticipated that £3·3 million of the board's planned allocation of £6 million for 1980–81 will be made available for Newtown. The board's provision for carrying out its social development powers under section 4(1)(d)(ii) of the Development of Rural Wales Act 1976 will be published in due course in the 1980–81 Estimates.

    Young Persons (Job Creation)

    asked the Secretary of State for Wales if he will make a statement on the progress of discussions between his Department and the European Commission about the availability of Community funds for the creation of jobs for young people in Wales.

    If the right hon. Member is referring to the designation of regional priority areas for youth unemployment under the European social fund, this is a matter for my right hon. Friend the Secretary of State for Employment. I remain in close touch with him on developing our policy on this with the European Commission.

    National Finance

    Value Added Tax

    29.

    asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer if his Department has estimated the industrial effect of any decision to repay value added tax quarterly to those traders who currently opt to receive repayment monthly.

    The effect on industry would be carefully considered before any such decision were taken.

    asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer what is his estimate of the annual amount of value added tax payments which are illegally evaded; and to what extent he considers that the amount of evasion is related to the rate at which value added tax is levied.

    The only relevant estimate available is one made some years ago following a special exercise by Customs and Excise. This suggested that the net loss to the Exchequer through under-declaration was around 1 per cent. to 1½ per cent. of the total yield. Changes in the rates at which any tax is levied are likely to have some effect on the level of evasion.

    asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer what is his estimate for the year 1979–80 of the total number of repayment traders who have opted for and are currently receiving monthly repayments of value added tax from Her Majesty's Customs and Excise, broken down by trading classifications as in the answer to the hon. Member for Gosport, dated 23 November 1979; and what is the estimated amount of value added tax that will be repaid to each such group during 1979–80.

    Money Supply

    asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer whether in fixing the monetary target in the range 7 to 11 per cent. compared with the forecast rate of inflation of 17 to 20 per cent., it is the Government's intention to reduce real wages in manufacturing industry by 10 per cent.

    The short-term relationship between monetary growth, inflation and real incomes is complex and variable. In the short term, the relationship between monetary growth and prices and output depends on the velocity of circulation; and, except in the very short-term, the growth of real incomes is inversely related to inflation. In the long run, however, the velocity of circulation is broadly stable, there is a close relationship between monetary growth and inflation, and real incomes grow in line with productivity.The Government's policies, which are aimed firmly at the long run, are designed to secure a progressive reduction in monetary growth and inflation, which in turn will provide the best possible base for sustainable increases in productivity and hence real incomes.

    asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer whether he estimates that British industry can increase its output in the absence of an increase in the money supply to match the increase in the cost of living without a cut in real wages; and, if not, how existing output will be sold in the home market in the face of the reduced demand.

    It is possible for output to rise when the money supply grows more slowly than the cost of living even if real wages are not reduced. Furthermore, one of the conditions essential for reducing inflation is that the money supply should grow less quickly than nominal GDP, in which circumstances the velocity of circulation necessarily rises. As inflation comes under control, and provided real wages are at levels which permit proper levels of profits, the rate of growth of real output can be expected to increase, and the rates of growth of money supply and nominal GDP to approximate more closely to one another.

    asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer what increase in M3 would be required to finance an increase in exports to eliminate the expected deficit on the current account balance of payments in 1979–80; and how the increase in exports could be financed within the present target range for M3 in the absence of overseas borrowing without a reduction in the supply of goods and services to the home market.

    There would be little purpose in attempting to make an estimate of this kind. To the extent that a tight monetary policy acts as a constraint on the finance of exports, it also restrains the purchase of domestically-consumed imports.

    asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer if he will list the reason why he considers that in present circumstances an increase in the money supply over and above the target rate will lead to an increase in prices if (a) it is saved, (b) it is spent on imports, (c) it is spent on United Kingdom manufactures, (d) it is spent on services or (e) it is spent in some other way.

    An increase in money supply must be associated with an increase in price, output or the velocity of circulation, or a combination of them. In the long run, output growth is determined by the growth of productive potential, and velocity does not change very much. Increases in monetary growth are therefore reflected in increases in inflation. This is true whatever the initial response to the increase in money supply is.In the short run, the relationships are much more complex. It would require disproportionate time and effort to explain all the relevant factors.

    asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer what effect on the level of economic activity the successful achievement of the target increase in the money supply will have, given that the rate of price inflation is greater than the above target increase.

    This will depend on how quickly pay increases respond to the lower rate of monetary growth.

    Owner-Occupied Houses

    asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer whether he will circulate a table in the Official Report showing the estimated value of owner-occupied housing in each of the years 1952 to 1978 in comparison with the total stock of assets, the value of ordinary shares held by individuals, and the capital invested in manufacturing industry.

    There are no official statistics of the value of owner-occupied housing: any estimate would have to be based on assumptions and could be misleading. There are also difficulties in making the comparisons requested. I shall, however write to the hon. Member giving such help as I can.

    Unemployment

    asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer what was the average number of unemployed in the first half of 1979; and what was the average amount spent on unemployment benefits, job creation schemes etc. and unemployment-related supplementary benefits etc.

    The number of unemployed is published in the Department of Employment Gazette. I have been informed from the Departments concerned that, in the first half of this financial year, the total spending on unemployment benefits was £280 million, selective employment schemes £163 million, and unemployment-related supplementary benefits £320 million.

    asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer, in making his forecast of public expenditure for 1980–81 what unemployment figures he was assuming for England, Wales and Scotland.

    As I informed the House on 1 November, a broad working assumption of unemployment in Great Britain was used for the calculation of the social security programme. It is not necessary for this purpose to make separate assumptions for the individual countries and the information requested is not available.

    United Kingdom—Republic Of Ireland (Growth Rates)

    asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer, further to his reply to the question from the hon. Member for Grimsby on 23 November comparing the growth rate in the United Kingdom and in the Republic of Ireland, in the light of the information in table 16 of the Eurostat basic statistics, whether he will supplement the table which he has already circulated with the corresponding figures for earnings and retail prices in both countries; why the figures he has given for the increase in the money supply in the Republic of Ireland differ from those given in table 138 of

    Comparison of rates of growth of average earnings*Comparison of price movements
    Republic of IrelandGreat BritainRepublic of IrelandUnited Kingdom
    Percentage increase on previous year
    1970161386
    1971161199
    1972151397
    19732013119
    197420171716
    197529262124
    197617171817
    197715101416
    1978Not available1588
    * Average earning in manufacturing industry, hourly—Republic of Ireland, weekly—Great Britain.
    Sources:
    Average earnings:
    OECD Main economic indicators.
    Historical Statistics 1960–75.
    OECD Main economic indicators October 1979.
    Prices:
    For United Kingdom:
    General index of retail prices.
    Department of Employment Gazette.
    For Republic of Ireland:
    Consumer price index, International Financial Statistics Year Book (IMF).
    The figures for growth in the money supply in my previous answer were based on an aggregate compiled by the IMF and described by it as M2. It is close in definition to the aggregate termed M3 in the United Kingdom. The United Kingdom figures in table 138 of

    Eurostat Basic Statisticsare of M1 (amounts outstanding at mid-December); the figures for the Republic of Ireland appear to be for a similar narrowly defined aggregate. Judgment on the reliability of the two Republic of Ireland measures is a matter for the Irish monetary authorities.—[Vol. 974, c. 402.

    Income Tax

    asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer if he will update the reply given to the hon. Member for Norfolk, North Official Report,31 July 1978, column 66, comparing total net annual tax liability, income tax plus national insurance contributions, less child benefit where appropriate, for each of the following categories: a single person, two

    the Eurostat publication; and which he estimates to be the more reliable.

    Pursuant to my answer of 23 November, such corresponding figures as are readily available for earnings and retail prices are given in the table below:single people, a married couple, a two-wage married couple, a married couple with two children, and a married couple with four children, assuming earnings equal to 50 per cent., 75 per cent., 100 per cent., 150 per cent., 200 per cent. and 300 per cent. of average male manual earnings, and that the taxpayer is contracted into the State pension scheme and itemising the increase or decrease in net tax liability since May 1978 in every case.

    The figures are as follows. They are on the same basis as the previous answer but have been updated now that the April 1978 and April 1979 new earnings survey figures of average earnings are available.The assumed level of average earnings for May 1979 has been obtained by updating the new earnings survey estimate of average earnings of full-time adult male manual workers in April 1979 taking account of movements in a centred 3-month moving average of the whole economy index of average earnings of all employees.

    ANNUAL FIGURES BASED ON EARNINGS IN MAY
    Single personTwo single peopleMarried coupleTwo-wage married coupleMarried couple with 2 children aged under 11Married couple with 4 children aged 16, 14, 12 and 9
    A. 1978–79 (May)
    1. Income tax plus NIC minus child benefits
    50%xAverage manual earnings463·20184·00292·7091·30-24·50-375·40
    75%xAverage manual earnings887·40522·20705·90312·30372·70-5·00
    100%xAverage manual earnings1,311·60926·501,130·10648·40796·90419·00
    150%xAverage manual earnings2,146·701,774·801,965·201,448·301,632·001,254·20
    200%xAverage manual earnings2,855·402,623·102,673·902,248·302,340·701,962·90
    300%xAverage manual earnings4,830·904,293·304,528·404,012·504,151·203,709·00
    2. Income tax plus NIC minus child benefits as a percentage of earnings
    50%xAverage manual earning007321·68·613·64·2

    *

    *

    75%xAverage manual earnings27·516·221·99·711·6

    *

    100%xAverage manual earnings30·521·626·615·118·59·6
    150%xAverage manual earnings33·327·530·522·525·319·5
    200%xAverage manual earnings33·230·531·126·227·222·9
    300%xAverage manual earnings37·533·335·131·132·228·8
    B. 1979–80 (May)
    1. Income tax plus NIC minus child benefits
    50%xAverage manual earnings509·80191·40320·20104·40-95·80-11·80
    75%xAverage manual earnings958·20578·40763·20333·00347·20-68·80
    100%xAverage manual earnings1,406·901,019·601,211·60714·00795·60379·60
    150%xAverage manual earnings2,280·601,916·402,085·601,555·601,669·601,253·60
    200%xAverage manual earnings3,017·702,813·202,822·702,397·102,406·701,990·70
    300%xAverage manual earnings4,928·404,561·204,635·904,226·504,219·903,803·90

    Single personTwo single peopleMarried coupleTwo-wage married coupleMarried couple with 2 children aged under 11Married couple with 4 children aged 16, 14, 12 and 9
    2. Income tax plus NIC minus child benefits as a percentage of earnings
    50%xAverage manual earnings20·77·813·04·2

    *

    *

    75%xAverage manual earnings26·015·720·79·09·4

    *

    100%xAverage manual earnings28·620·724·714·516·27·7
    150%xAverage manual earnings30·926·028·321·122·717·0
    200%xAverage manual earnings30·728·628·724·424·520·3
    300%xAverage manual earnings33·430·931·428·728·625·8
    C. Change in net tax liability between 1977–78 and 1978–79
    1. Increase in pounds
    ££££££
    50%xAverage manual earnings40·4076·3043·3018·70-19·40-197·00
    75%xAverage manual earnings92·5048·7084·4064·705·70-54·60
    100%xAverage manual earnings144·6080·90136·5046·3057·80-2·50
    150%xAverage manual earnings244·60185·00236·50137·30157·7097·50
    200%xAverage manual earnings284·20289·20306·70228·20229·90169·70
    300%xAverage manual earnings404·80489·20397·10413·10351·20323·00
    2. Change in the percentage of earnings represented by net tax liability

    Per cent.

    Per cent.

    Per cent.

    Per cent.

    Per cent

    Per cent.

    50%xAverage manual earnings-1·0+2·8+0·3+0·3
    75%xAverage manual earnings-0·8-0·7-0·2+0·9-1·5
    100%xAverage manual earnings-0·7-1·0-0·2-1·0-1·1-1·5
    150%xAverage manual earnings-0·6-0·8-0·3-0·8-1·0-1·1
    200%xAverage manual earnings-1·1-0·7-0·5-0·8-1·0-1·0
    300%xAverage manual earnings-1·9-0·6-1·7-0·9-1·6-1·3

    Single person

    Two single people

    Married couple

    Two-wage married couple

    Married couple with 2 children aged under 11

    Married couple with 4 children aged 16,14, 12 and 9

    D. Change in net tax liability between 1978–79 and 1979–80
    1. Increase in pounds
    ££££££
    50%xAverage manual earnings46·607·5027·5013·10-71·30-136·40
    75%xAverage manual earnings70·8056·2057·3020·70-25·50-63·70
    100%xAverage manual earnings95·3093·1081·5065·70-1·20-39·40
    150%xAverage manual earnings133·90141·60120·40107·2037·60-0·60
    200%xAverage manual earnings162·30190·10148·80148·8066·0027·80
    300%xAverage manual earnings97·50267·80107·50213·9068·7094·90
    2. Change in the percentage of earnings represented by net tax liability

    Per cent.

    Per cent.

    Per cent.

    Per cent.

    Per cent

    Per cent.

    50%xAverage manual earnings-0·9-0·8-0·6
    75%xAverage manual earnings-1·5-0·5-1·2-0·7-2·2
    100%xAverage manual earnings-1·9-0·9-1·6-0·6-2·3-2·1
    150%xAverage manual earnings-2·4-1·5-2·2—1·4—2·6—2·5
    200%xAverage manual earnings-2·5-1·9-2·4-1·8-2·7-2·6
    300%xAverage manual earnings-4·1-2·4-3·7-2·4-3·6-3·0

    * Negative figure

    †i.e. Income tax plus national insurance contributions minus child benefits.

    Bank Lending

    asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer whether he will circulate in the Official Report a table showing bank lending to the private sector each year since 1970 and each quarter since 1 January 1978 with a breakdown by class borrower, including manufacturing industry and importers of goods and services; and whether he will provide an explanation of any change in the share taken by manufacturing industry, particularly in recent months.

    An industrial analysis of net bank lending to United Kingdom residents is provided in table 6.17 of the current issue of Financial Statistics and equivalent tables in earlier issues. There was a change in the coverage of the statistics in 1975 and complete data are not available for that year. For a more comprehensive picture of the size and direction of bank lending—particularly in recent months—the hon. Member will wish to include the data on bank acceptances in Financial Statistics table 6.18.In both tables, data are provided for quarters ending in mid February, May, August and November. Importers of goods and services—some of which are manufacturing firms—are not distinguished in the analysis, which is based On the Standard Industrial Classification.Changes in the share of bank borrowing between various industries reflect changes in economic activity, trading conditions and the effects of industrial disputes.

    Credit Unions

    asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer if he will list the current scale of fees charged for the registration of credit unions under the Credit Unions Act; and if he will confirm that these fees will remain operative for some time.

    The full scale of fees currently payable by credit unions for registration and other services provided by the Registry of Friendly Societies is set out in schedule 2 to the Industrial and Provident Societies (Credit Unions) regulations 1979 (SI 1979/937).

    A new scale of fees for these services is contained in the Industrial and Provident Societies (Credit Unions) (Amendment of Fees) Regulations 1979 (SI 1979/1556), which were laid before Parliament today, and will come into operation on 1 January 1980.

    Civil List

    asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer if he will publish in the Official Report a table showing the current annuities and other payments made on the Civil List; and what increases are contemplated in the next four months.

    European Community (Balance Of Trade)

    asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer if he will publish in the Official Report a table showing for each year since 1970 the amount of capital invested by the United Kingdom in the rest of the EEC and the amount invested by the rest of the EEC in the United Kingdom, including figures for manufacturing, distribution, property and petroleum.

    [pursuant to his reply, 29 November 1979, c. 781…: Information on investment transactions between the United Kingdom and the rest of the European Economic Communiy for the years from 1973 is published in table 14.1 of "United Kingdom Balance of Payments, 1979 Edition"(the Pink Book). For earlier years, figures of direct investment (other than by oil companies) by the six member countries of the EEC in the United Kingdom and by the United Kingdom in those countries are given in table 8.6 of the Pink Book.Details of other types of investment prior to 1973 and complete, reliable information of investment in particular industries in the United Kingdom in all years are not available. The information which is available is reproduced below, including some further details of direct investment by the United Kingdom in individual industries overseas which are published in Business Monitors M4 (1975 and 1976) and MA4 (1977).

    NET UNITED KINGDOM TRANSACTIONS WITH COUNTRIES AND INSTITUTIONS OF THE EUROPEAN COMMUNITIES*

    £ million

    1970

    1971

    1972

    1973

    1974

    1975

    1976

    1977

    1978

    Overseas investment in United Kingdom public sector†......+166+295+271+775+743+47
    Overseas investment in United Kingdom private sector:
    Direct (excluding oil companies)+55+37+39+112+76+97+162+292+643
    Other‡(including oil companies)......+522+632+600+379+494
    United Kingdom private investment overseas:
    Direct (excluding oil companies, including public corporations)-78-263-223-519-364-151-490-374-811
    of which,
    in manufacturing-55-171-108-273-166-108-286-314
    in distribution-18-40-75-82-74-34-95-107
    in property....+8+7-11+13-47+15
    Other§ (including oil companies)......-130-304-112-28-15
    Investment is shown net of disinvestments. Liabilities: increase +/decrease-. Assets: increase -/decrease +.

    * Six countries in 1970–1972; eight countries in 1973–1978;

    † Largely transactions in gilts with private overseas residents and borrowing overseas by public corporations and local authorities.
    ‡Includes portfolio investment, net borrowing from banks, etc., overseas other than through United Kingdom banks and miscellaneous investment.
    § Includes portfolio and miscellaneous investment.
    .. Not available.

    Hotel And Catering Industry

    asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer how much is raised annually by the Inland Revenue through the taxation of gratuities in the hotels and catering industry.

    [pursuant to his reply, 14 November 1979, c. 625–626…: I regret that this information is not available. No records are kept of the total amount of tax raised in this way.

    Industry

    Confederation Of British Industry

    3.

    asked the Secretary of State for Industry when he expects next to meet the Confederation of British Industry.

    Lancashire

    21.

    asked the Secretary of State for Industry what plans the Government have to sustain employment in the Lancashire textile industry.

    Our economic policies are designed to deal with the causes of inflation and encourage firms throughout the country to become more competitive and to make the best of their opportunities to the benefit of employment generally. As far as textiles are concerned, we are helping the industry by doing all we can to ensure that the Community's arrangements under the MFA are implemented as quickly as possible.

    Small Businesses

    11.

    asked the Secretary of State for Industry if he will take steps to encourage the growth of small businesses in large urban conurbations.

    23.

    asked the Secretary of State for Industry if he will take steps to encourage the growth of small business in provincial towns and cities.

    The Government are pursuing a number of policies designed to help small firms wherever they may be located. In addition, special assistance is available in certain parts of the country under the Department's regional policy and through local authorities under the urban programme.

    asked the Secretary of State for Industry what measures of assistance to small firms are currently being considered; if he is planning a Government-backed loan guarantee facility; and if he plans to use such a facility as a means of assisting small concerns registered under the Industrial and Provident Societies Acts.

    I have nothing to add to the reply given by my right hon. Friend to my hon. Friend the Member for Luton, East (Mr. Bright) on 12 November.—[Vol. 973, c. 894–95.

    National Enterprise Board

    22.

    asked the Secretary of State for Industry what further proposals he intends to make regarding the future of the National Enterprise Board.

    British Steel Corporation

    24.

    asked the Secretary of State for Industry whether, pursuant to section 4(5)(b) of the Iron and Steel Act 1975, he will direct the British Steel Corporation to offer its plants at Corby and Shotton for purchase by a private buyer.

    No. My right hon. Friend has no power under this subsection either to require or to prevent the disposal to private interests of assets used in iron and steel-making activities.

    25.

    asked the Secretary of State for Industry what eventual total steel making capacity is envisaged for the British Steel Corporation under the Davignon proposals.

    The Davignon proposals do not embody a specific figure for the steel-making capacity either of the BSC or of any other Community producer. It is fundamental to the Commission's restructuring proposals that total capacity in the Community should be reduced to bring it into line with demand.

    asked the Secretary of State for Industry if he will make a statement on the future of the United Kingdom steel industry.

    [pursuant to his reply, 7 December 1979, c. 352…: Our objective is an efficient, competitive and profitable British steel industry in both public and private sectors in the 1980s. I am aware that both sectors are facing considerable difficulty at present but our policies are designed to create an economic climate in which they can achieve these objectives.

    Rolls-Royce

    asked the Secretary of State for Industry whether the appointment of the chairman of Rolls-Royce is his responsibility or that of the National Enterprise Board.

    The board of Rolls-Royce Ltd. elects its own chairman. Under its memorandum of understanding with the National Enterprise Board the company undertook to consult the Board before appointing a new chairman. The National Enterprise Board undertook to consult the Secretary of State for Industry. After enactment of the Industry Bill Rolls-Royce Ltd. will consult the Secretary of State.

    asked the Secretary of State for Industry if he will publish in the Official Reportthe memorandum of understanding concerning the National Enterprise Board and Rolls-Royce to which he referred, Official Report, 26 November, c. 979:

    Yes. It was first published on 26 February 1976 and is as follows:

    The Relationship Between The National Enterprise Board And Rolls-Royce (1971) Limited

    General Principles

    This memorandum of understanding about the relationship between the National Enterprise Board (NEB) and Rolls-Royce (1971) Limited (RR71) is based on certain general principles:

  • (i) Except as provided in this memorandum, RR71 is expected to continue to operate as far as possible on a normal commercial basis like a company in the private sector.
  • (ii) The NEB has no intention of usurping the responsibilities of the Board of RR71 or to intervene in the day to day management of RR71.
  • (iii) The NEB has however certain responsibilities in respect of RR71 as:
  • (a) the sole shareholder;
  • (b) a major potential provider of finance in the future;
  • (c) a public corporation with certain duties under the Industry Act 1975 and guidelines issued under the Act.
  • (iv) In exercising these responsibilities the NEB's prime concern will be to see that the Board of RR71 runs the company efficiently and successfully, since the performance of RR71 will have a major effect on the NEB's total performance.
  • The following provisions are designed to enable the NEB to carry out its responsibilities with the minimum disturbance to the normal operation of RR71 as a major industrial company.

    Composition of the Board

    Recommendations for changes in the composition of the Board of RR71 and for changes in remuneration will be put forward by the RR71 Board for approval by the NEB. It is accepted that, as sole shareholder, the NEB has ultimate responsibility for determining the composition of the Board of RR71, and approving its remuneration, subject to such arrangements for consultation with the Government as the NEB and the Government may agree from time to time.

    Plans

    RR71's long-range plan and annual plans will be subject to agreement by the NEB.

    Monitoring

    4. RR71 will be expected to supply to the NEB such information, in a nature and in a form to be agreed by RR71 and the NEB from time to time, as will enable the NEB to monitor the performance and financial prospects of the company.

    Capial Investment

    5. RR71 will seek approval from the NEB for:

  • (i) major investment programmes;
  • (ii) projects involving capital expenditure of £5 million or more.
  • Acquisitions and disposals

    6. RR71 will seek prior approval from the NEB for any proposal to acquire any of the share capital of a company:

  • (i) if its acquisition would entitle RR71 to exercise or control the exercise of 30 per cent. or more of the votes; or
  • (ii) if the value of the consideration for its acquisition, together with the value of any consideration paid for share capital of that company previously acquired, would exceed £10 million; or
  • (iii) if the cost of the acquisition would be £5 million or more.
  • 7. RR71 will comply with the restrictions imposed by Section 9 of the Industry Act 1975 which relate to acquisitions of businesses concerned with the media.

    8. RR71 will seek prior approval from the NEB for the sale of any voting shares held by RR71 or its subsidiaries.

    Borrowing

    9. In order to enable the NEB to comply with Section 8 and Schedule 2(3) of the Industry Act 1975, RR71 will not borrow from sources other than the NEB without the NEB's approval.

    Wider Economic and Social Responsibilities of the NEB

    10. RR71 has agreed that, in drawing up its long-range and annual plans, it will:

  • (i) examine the case for locating any expansions of new undertakings in an area of high unemployment;
  • (ii) take adequate steps to provide for the full involvement of employees in decision-making at all levels.
  • Counter-Inflation Policy

    11. In negotiating terms and conditions of employment, RR71 will naturally ensure that settlements reached are consistent with the financial situation of the enterprise and with the requirements to be observed for the period up to 1 August 1976 as set out in the White Paper "The Attack on Inflation" (Cmnd. 6151).

    Early Warning Of Major Issues

    12. RR71 will be expected to warn the NEB, and the Secretary of State for Industry, in advance about any decisions which clearly have major Parliamentary implications.

    Contacts With The Government

    13. On all major issues affecting RR71's strategy, plans and performance and the NEB's responsibility for securing the efficient management of RR71, RR71 will deal with the NEB. The NEB will, however, be accompanied by representatives of RR71 at major discussions with Government of the plans of RR71 and will invite the RR71 representatives to explain the plans to the Government at those discussions. It will also be open to the Chairman of RR71 at any time to seek a meeting with a Minister, provided that the Chairman of the NEB is consulted beforehand and has the opportunity to attend if he wishes.

    14. RR71 will maintain its dealings with Government Departments on day to day matters, including dealings with the Department of Industry in its role as sponsor Department for the aero engine industry, dealings with the Ministry of Defence (Procurement Executive) on all matters for which it is responsible, dealings with the Foreign and Commonwealth Office, and day to day contacts with the Department of Employment on pay questions.

    15. When RR71 is brought within the Planning Agreements system, arrangements will be worked out by the NEB and RR71 in accordance with the principles set out in this memorandum.

    Channels of Communication

    16. The normal channel of communication on major issues will be between the Chairman of the NEB and the Chairman of RR71, supported as appropriate by contacts between senior staff of the NEB and their opposite numbers in RR71, to whatever extent is necessary to carry out the NEB's responsibilities, without intervention in the day to day management of RR71.

    17. The supporting staff of the NEB will agree a programme of discussions through the RR71 Chairman's office. Their purpose is to ensure that the Chairman of the NEB is properly informed. It is not to take part in the decision-making process of RR71 itself, nor is it in any way to act as an inspecting team. Both the NEB and RR71 will do their best to make the relationship a harmonious one and one of trust.

    asked the Secretary of State for Industry if he will publish in the Official Report the letter from Rolls-Royce to which he referred in the first full paragraph of column 168 in the Official Report of Standing Committee E for 27 November.

    The letter is as follows:"Dear KeithI am writing to confirm what I believe you already know—that is, that my Board are unanimously of the opinion that it is in everybody's best interests that the shares in Rolls-Royce should, in the forthcoming Bill, be transferred back to your Department.It would be much better for us, for reasons of which you are already aware, to be responsible to you direct and to deal with your officials than to remain under the NEB.My Board feel that I should write formally to express this view, notwithstanding the fact that I have just had an excellent talk with Adam Butler.Yours sincerely(signed) Kenneth".

    asked the Secretary of State for Industry on how many occasions since 4 May he has met Sir Kenneth Keith; what were the dates, places and purposes of these meetings; and at which of them Sir Leslie Murphy or some other representative of the National Enterprise Board has been present.

    Since 4 May I have met Sir Kenneth Keith on the following occasions:

  • 1. On 23 May I met Sir Kenneth at the Department of Industry, with the knowledge of the chairman of the NEB; our talk was of an introductory nature, prior to a subsequent meeting with the NEB chairman.
  • 2. On 1 August I held a meeting at the Department to discuss Rolls-Royce's financial prospects at which Sir Leslie Murphy and Sir Kenneth Keith were both present.
  • 3. On 19 September I lunched with Sir Kenneth Keith at Rolls-Royce's office; this replaced a visit I had been due to make, with Sir Leslie Murphy's agreement, to the company's Derby factory, which was postponed due to the industrial dispute in the engineering industry.
  • 4. On 31 October I accompanied Chairman Hua on his visit to Rolls-Royce Derby, when Sir Kenneth Keith was also present.
  • 5. On 6 November I met Sir Kenneth Keith at the Department to discuss his intention to give up the chairmanship of Rolls-Royce. Later in the day I was also present at a meeting at the House of Commons when Sir Kenneth informed the Prime Minister of his intention to give up the chairmanship.
  • 6. On 7 November I met Sir Kenneth Keith at the Department again in connection with his departure.
  • As I have previously informed the House, there have been other social occasions when I have come into contact with Sir Kenneth Keith. However, none of these occasions was at the Department or Rolls-Royce, no one was at my initiative, and at no one of them was there discussion of matters affecting the relationship between Rolls-Royce, the NEB or my Department.

    Ship Repairing

    26.

    asked the Secretary of State for Industry if he will now make a statement on the future of the ship repair industry in Great Britain.

    The ship repair industry remains in the grip of recession. The proposals in the Shipbuilding Industry Bill to extend the home credit scheme to conversions and alterations will be of benefit.

    Aircraft And Shipbuilding Industries Act (Compensation)

    asked the Secretary of State for Industry if he will list, with sums of money paid and dates, all compensation payments and payments on account so far made under the Aircraft and Shipbuilding Industries Act; if he will state, with details, how many submissions to arbitration were made up to 3 May; how many have been made since 4 May; if he will explain why no compensation payments have been made since 4 May; and if he will make a statement.

    For particulars of payments, I refer the right hon. Member to my answer to my hon. Friend the Member for Bristol, North-West (Mr. Colvin) on 5 July.—[Vol. 969, c. 690–92.… Since then, the settlement of compensation for the unlisted securities of John G. Kincaid & Company Limited was announced on 22 November in the amount of £3·8 million, including £2·25 million previously paid on account.As to arbitration, references concerning two companies were made up to 3 May 1979 and one has been made subsequently. The companies concerned are Scottish Aviation Ltd., Scott Lithgow Group Ltd. and Vickers Shipbuilding Group Ltd. In the case of Scott Lithgow Ltd. the proceedings relate to a preliminary issue under section 21 of the Act.Since 3 May compensation payments have been made in respect of the final settlements of compensation for Hawthorn Leslie (Engineers) Ltd. and John G. Kincaid & Company Limited and a payment on account in respect of Scottish Aviation Ltd.Further final payments of compensation will be made as and when cases are settled by negotiation or arbitration. Further payments on account, like one in respect of Scottish Aviation Ltd. made in June, will be made in respect of cases referred to arbitration, in accordance with the previous Government's announcement on 3 April 1979.

    Pig-Iron

    asked the Secretary of State for Industry what is his long-term policy on the maintenance of a pig-iron producing capacity in the United Kingdom.

    The future of its pig-iron producing capacity is a matter for the British Steel Corporation. Pig-iron capacity in the private sector has all been closed or mothballed as uneconomic.

    Ferranti Limited

    asked the Secretary of State for Industry what criteria will determine any decision to dispose of the National Enterprise Board's holding in Ferranti Limited; and if he will make a statement.

    The revised guidelines will invite the Board, in preparing for any disposal, to seek to secure the highest available consideration subject to the interests of the taxpayer and of the company, taking into account such other factors as the Secretary of State may draw to the Board's attention.

    Iron And Steel

    asked the Secretary of State for Industry what was the total tonnage of iron and steel produced in the years 1970 to 1979 in the United Kingdom private and State sectors.

    The information is as follows:

    IRON AND STEEL PRODUCTION IN THE UNITED KINGDOM
    '000 tonnes
    Pig ironCrude steel
    197017,67228,291
    197115,41624,153
    197215,31625,293
    197316,83826,594
    197413,90322,323
    197512,13120,098
    197613,83522,274
    197712,23220,411
    197811,43420,311
    1979 (January-September)9,58116,096

    Meccano (Liverpool)

    asked the Secretary of State for Industry how much public money has been paid to Meccano of Liverpool over the past five years; and how this has been used.

    Titanium

    asked the Secretary of State for Industry if he will make a statement on progress in involving the private sector in the production of titanium.

    The NEB is continuing actively to seek private sector partners for the new titanium sponge plant and will be reporting to my right hon. Friend in due course.

    European Community

    European Assembly (Visitors' Subsidies)

    asked the Lord Privy Seal what is the subsidy payable from EEC funds in respect of each visitor to the European Assembly; what is the mechan- ism for paying such subsidies; and if he will make a statement.

    Approved groups of between six and 35 people visiting the European Parliament in Luxembourg or Strasbourg are paid travel expenses of Belgian Francs 1·8 (2·9p) per person per km. for the first 1,000 kms. increasing to BF 2·2 (3·6p) thereafter. Payments, from the European Parliament budget, are made in local currency when the groups arrive at their destinations. No other subsidies are payable.The small number of journalists and other selected individuals invited to visit the Parliament receive full travelling expenses and the cost of up to two nights in a hotel.

    Overseas Development

    International Red Cross (Hercules Aircraft)

    asked the Lord Privy Seal for how long the Government intend to continue the loan of the Hercules aircraft to the International Red Cross in South-East Asia.

    I refer the hon. Member to the reply given to the hon. Member for Merthyr Tydfil (Mr. Rowlands) on Thursday 22 November. [Vol. 974, c. 274.

    Foreign And Commonwealth Affairs

    British Broadcasting Services (Overseas Service)

    asked the Lord Privy Seal if he will take steps to improve the audibility of BBC external services to Eastern Europe and East Africa in view of the poor reception conditions in those areas.

    Over £5 million will be available in the next financial year for the BBC external services' capital expenditure programme to improve audibility. As regards the areas which will benefit, I refer the hon. Member to the reply given by my hon. Friend the Member for Cirencester and Tewkesbury (Mr. Ridley) on 28 November to the hon. Member for West Lothian (Mr. Dalyell)—[Vol. 974, c. 688….

    asked the Lord Privy Seal if, during the recent visit of the Minister of State to South America, he raised with the Argentine Government the question of the illegal occupation of Southern Thule in the Falkland Islands; and what were the results of his representations in this respect.

    During my visit to Buenos Aires in July I had a general exchange of views with the Argentine Government on Anglo-Argentine relations, including the Falkland Islands. The Argentines are in no doubt of our views concerning Southern Thule.

    Sweden

    asked the Lord Privy Seal which countries have now opened a trade centre or consulate-general in Gothenburg.

    The following countries are at present represented in Gothenburg by:

  • (a) Career Consuls-General—Argentina, Bolivia, Federal Republic of Germany, Finland, Norway, USA, USSR and Yugoslavia.
  • (b) Career Consul—Venezuela.
  • (c) Career consular agent—Switzerland.
  • (d) France has a small commercial office headed by a career consul. The German Democratic Republic has a large trade office which does not have consular status.
  • asked the Lord Privy Seal if he is satisfied that the replacement of the consulate-general in Gothenburg by a small consulate with only one consul and two clerks adequately reflects the importance of this post to British trade with Sweden.

    After much thought we believe that our consulate in Gothenburg, aided by flexible use of the highly specialised commercial staff of our embassy in Stockholm, will look after our commercial interests in the Gothenburg area adequately.

    South Africa

    asked the Lord Privy Seal if he will make a statement on the recent conversations between Her Majesty's Government and the Foreign Minister of the Republic of South Africa.

    Our discussions with the South African Foreign Minister concerned the situation in Southern Africa, and our bilateral relations. We informed him of developments at Lancaster House. There was a useful exchange of views on Namibia, during which we urged the South African Government to accept the concept of a demilitarised zone on Namibia's northern border, which they have now done.

    asked the Lord Privy Seal what is his estimate of the strength of South African forces operating on British territory in South Africa.

    We have no figures for the South African forces at present in Rhodesia but have made it clear to all the Governments concerned that there is no question of any external involvement in Rhodesia under the British Governor.

    Iran

    asked the Lord Privy Seal when last he met the Iranian Ambassador.

    Iran is at present represented in London by a chargé d'affaires ad interim, Dr. Afrouz, whom my right hon. Friend has not met. Dr. Afrouz is welcome to arrange to see Ministers at any mutually convenient time.

    asked the Lord Privy Seal what is his estimate of the number of British people in Iran.

    asked the Lord Privy Seal how many British citizens are currently in Iran.

    I believe there are between 400 and 500 British nationals still living in Iran.

    Council Of Europe (Higher Education Scholarship Schemes)

    asked the Lord Privy Seal whether he will reconsider the decision not to participate in 1980–81 in the Council of Europe higher education scholarship schemes; and if he will make a statement.

    Under the special programme for cultural contacts with Western Europe established in 1972 to celebrate our accession to the European Communities the Government gave the British Council funds for 50 scholarships for students from countries which are members of the Council of Europe. These funds were exhausted in 1976–77. But in 1977–78 the British Council found money from within its budget to fund a further 10 scholarships under this commemorative programme.In view of the reduction in its budget for 1980–81 the British Council has decided that it will not be able to continue to support the special programme established in 1972.However, under the British Council's own general scholarship programme 61 postgraduate scholarships will be offered in 1980–81 to students from countries which are members of the Council of Europe.

    Rhodesia

    asked the Lord Privy Seal if he will list in the Official Report the sanctions imposed by virtue of the Southern Rhodesia Act 1965 which have now expired and the sanctions which still remain in force under any enactment or as a result of ministerial obligations entered into.

    The sanctions orders which lapsed when section 2 of the Southern Rhodesia Act 1965 expired were:The Southern Rhodesia (Property in Passports) Order 1965;The Reserve Bank of Rhodesia Orders 1965 and 1967;The Southern Rhodesia (Bank Assets) Order 1965;The Southern Rhodesia (United Nations Sanctions) (No. 2) Order 1968;The Southern Rhodesia (Immigration Act 1971) Order 1972;The Southern Rhodesia (United Nations Sanctions) Order 1977.Sanctions which remain in force under other legislation are:

  • (a) the prohibition on the import of Rhodesian goods into the United Kingdom and the export from the United Kingdom of goods destined for Rhodesia, applied by the general licensing system operated under subordinate legislation made under the Import, Export and Customs Powers (Defence) Act 1939;
  • (b) the prohibition on financial transfers (except for payments on humanitarian grounds) from the United Kingdom to Rhodesia, made under the remaining provisions of the Exchange Control Act 1946;
  • (c) travel and passport restrictions imposed on non pa trials under the terms of Mr. George Thomson's statement to Parliament of 27 June 1968;
  • (d) directions under Emergency Laws (Reenactments and Repeals) Act 1964: which places a control on gold and Treasury bills in relation to the administration in Southern Rhodesia or any person resident in Southern Rhodesia;
  • (e) orders under the United Nations Act 1946: imposing sanctions measures in the law of United Kingdom dependencies.
  • Kampuchea

    asked the Lord Privy Seal if it is his policy to support the retention of the Kampuchean seat in the United Nations by the Pol Pot régime, which Great Britain no longer recognises; and if he will make a statement.

    I refer the hon. Member to what I told the House at the conclusion of the debate on 6 December.—[Vol. 975, c. 759–761.…

    Trade

    Malta (Imports)

    27.

    asked the Secretary of State for Trade what action he is taking following the action of the Government of Malta in limiting United Kingdom textile imports to the level of 25 per cent. by value of the level in 1978 and in the withholding of import allowances from any importer who did not buy from the United Kingdom in 1978.

    Restraint of certain textile imports into Malta from the United Kingdom has in our view been in breach of the association agreement between Malta and the EEC and we are keeping the Commission fully informed of the position.Despite assurances received from the Maltese Government that there is no discrimination against imports of British textiles, my Department has continued to receive complaints that British exporters are experiencing difficulties. We have asked the Maltese authorities urgently to investigate the complaints in the light of their earlier assurances.

    Iron And Steel Imports

    asked the Secretary of State for Trade what was the money value and tonnage of imported iron and steel for the United Kingdom in the years 1974 to 1979.

    Machinery Imports And Exports

    asked the Secretary of State for Trade whether he will publish in the Official Report a table bringing

    CHANGE IN THE US DOLLAR PRICES OF MACHINERY AND TRANSPORT EQUIPMENT EXPORTS (SITC SECTION 7)
    Percentages
    United kingdomWest GermanyJapan
    1970 to latest available date+221(a)+157
    1973 to latest available date+153(a)+83
    1974 to latest available date+118+84+58
    1975 to latest available date+80+55+57
    1976 to latest available date+81+48+53
    1977 to latest available date+54+31+36
    1978 to latest available date+26+11+10
    Notes:
    The latest available dates are October 1979 for the United Kingdom; September 1979 for Wes Germany; and July 1979 for Japan.
    (a) figures for West Germany are not readily available prior to 1974 on a consistent basis
    Sources:
    United Kingdom Trade Statistics
    Statistisches Bundesampt
    Summary Report Trade of Japan—Japan Tariff Association

    Competitiveness

    asked the Secretary of State for Trade whether he will bring up to date the information published in the Official Report, 27 July 1977, column 222, relating to the index of competitiveness.

    The latest information, on 1975=100, is published on page 46 of the November issue of Economic Trends.

    Textile Imports

    asked the Secretary of State for Trade whether he will introduce regulations to require textile products imported from other EEC countries to carry a certificate of origin.

    My right hon. Friend has at present no plans to do so. Importers are however required to declare the country of origin.

    Cinematograph Act 1957

    asked the Secretary of State for Trade, whether he proposes to seek to amend the Cinematograph Act 1957; and if he will make a statement.

    The Cinematograph Films Act 1957 covers several different aspects up to date, and including 1976, 1977 and 1978 as base years, the information given on 10 January 1977, volume 923, column 422 in reply to a question concerning the export price of machinery.

    The available information is as follows:of films policy. The Bill to restructure the National Film Finance Corporation, which will be introduced as soon as possible, will also involve amendments to a number of existing statutes, including the 1957 Act.

    Polyurethane Foam

    asked the Secretary of State for Trade what steps he is taking to control the current use and storage of polyurethane foam, in view of its toxic effect when involved in a fire.

    The object of the Upholstered Furniture (Safety) Regulations 1979, laid in draft before Parliament on 5 December, is to render domestic upholstered seating furniture, whether or not it contains polyurethane foam, safer, from ignition by smokers' materials (firstly cigarettes and later matches). I have no immediate plans to take further action in this field, but I shall be keeping the matter under review.Controls over the storage and use of polyurethane foam at places of work are the responsibility of the Health and Safety Executive. In this connection, I would draw the hon. Member's attention to the reply given by my right hon. Friend the Secretary of State for Employment to a question by the hon. Member for Cannock (Mr. Roberts) on 5 December.—[Vol. 975, c.

    204–5.

    Departmental Functions

    asked the Secretary of State for Trade if he will publish in the Official Report full details of the reduction of various marine functions arising from the cuts in the Civil Service announced on 6 December.

    The reduction in marine functions and associated staff savings by 1982 are as follows:

    Surveyor General's organization-55
    Reduction in marine survey work (further small-scale delegation to classification societies, reduction in IMCO work, etc.)
    Reduction in inspection of ships' provisions
    Reduction in MMO functions relating to ships' documents
    General register of shipping and seamen
    Reduction in functions relating to ships' documents-10
    Minor savings (mainly HQ)-10

    asked the Secretary of State for Trade if he will publish in the Official Report full details of the reduction of various civil aviation functions arising from the cuts in the Civil Service announced on 6 December.

    Patent Office

    asked the Secretary of State for Trade what changes have been made in the classifying of patents by the British Patent Office; whether consultations were held with industry on such changes; if so, what objections he has received to the changes; and if he will make a statement.

    [pursuant to his reply, 7 December 1979, c. 413…: The United Kingdom patent classification has been continuously revised (apart from the war years) since the start of this century. The classification scheme is reprinted at intervals of just over a year, each reprint including the many changes made since the previous reprint. In the last reprint about 1,000 of the 4,000 pages included changes of substance. My hon. Friend will not expect me to go into detail about each of these changes.It has not been the practice to consult industry on proposed changes but the Patent Office has always taken into account suggestions made by those who use the classification. Earlier this year, the Chartered Institute of Patent Agents, the Trade Mark, Patents and Designs Federation, and the Patent and Trade Mark Searchers Group of the Society of Information Scientists formed a small committee which collates the views of the users of the classification and receives information from the Patent Office about its plans for revision; a representative of the Patent Office attends meetings of this committee.I have received letters from three hon. Members asking for my views on a paper on the classification sent to them by an individual regular user of it; each has received a full reply which I believe they have found satisfactory. I think the subject is too specialised and complex to be dealt with fully by a statement, but a copy of the above-mentioned reply can be supplied to any hon. Member interested and a copy has been placed in the Library.

    Company Registration

    asked the Secretary of State for Trade if he will publish in the Official Report full details of the changes in companies registration arising from the cuts in the Civil Service announced on 6 December.

    Subject to the necessary legislation, it is proposed to abolish or modify the powers now exercised under the Companies Act 1948 in respect of dispensations for charitable and other companies to omit the word "Ltd" in their names (section 19) and for the inclusion of directors' names on business documents (section 201). It is also proposed to introduce modifications in the arrangements for the search service and the maintenance of company files. Consideration is being given to the abolition of the Registry of Business Names and to a modification of the discretionary power governing undesirable company names.

    Patent Licence Agreements

    asked the Secretary of State for Trade if he will make a statement of Government policy towards the EEC fourth draft proposal to exempt patent licence agreements from article 85 of the Treaty of Rome forbidding restrictive agreements.

    [pursuant to her reply, 7 December 1979, c. 412…: I am aware that the Commission's proposals have aroused considerable concern. I am watching developments closely but it would be premature to make a statement at this stage.

    Transport

    Railway Closures

    asked the Minister of Transport whether he has any further statement to make, pursuant to his answers, Official Report, 5 December, cc. 412–13 and 417, regarding proposed railway closures.

    At Question Time on 5 December I said that no list of railway closures was sent to me with British Rail's 1979 corporate review and that the only list of services for closure I had seen was the one published in The Guardian. The hon. Member for Kingston upon Hull, East (Mr. Prescott) then said that he had with him the list of 40 services bearing the name of the Railways Board. He asserted that I had therefore misled the House. This assertion is untrue.The hon. Member later handed me his document. It is a list not of 40 services but of 85 services. My inquiries show that it was supplied by British Rail to the Central Transport Consultative Committee in January 1979. It is a list of all its "other provincial services" existing in 1978. The document was not sent to my Department, and in any event could not conceivably be a list of services for closure.The hon. Member also referred to the Railways Board's corporate review. This was sent to me by the chairman on 25 October and I have yet to discuss it with him. The review includes an evaluation of the financial effects of closing 40 passenger services as one of a number of options. But it contains no list of services for closure, or indeed any list of services whatever.As I have already made clear in the House, I have not nor have officials of my Department, discussed with the Railways Board a list of services for closure, or received such a list, since this Government took office.

    My letter of 9 November to the chairman of British Rail clearly states that the option of closing 40 services is one that the Government reject. A copy of my letter is in the Library.

    asked the Minister of Transport when he was first informed of the 40 closures approved for evaluation in the British Railways corporate review 1980 to 1984–89.

    The Railways Board has made no secret of the policy that it has been advocating for some time to secure the substitution of bus services for some local rail services. The options which the Board decided to incorporate in its 1979 corporate review were settled at the end of 1978. As I told the House on 7 November, the corporate review was formally sent to me by the chairman on 25 October. It includes an evaluation of the financial effects of closing a total of 40 passenger services as one of a number of options. But it contains no list of services for closure. I have not, nor have officials of my Department, discussed with the Railways Board a list of services for closure or received such a list since this Government took office. As the House knows, I wrote to Sir Peter Parker on 9 November to make it clear to him that the option of closing 40 services is one that the Government reject. A copy of my letter is in the Library.

    Noise Insulation (Great Barr And Perry Beeches)

    asked the Secretary of State for Transport when he expects to write to the hon. Member for Birmingham, Perry Barr, on the subject of noise insulation at Great Barr and Perry Beeches, as promised in his reply, Official Report, 24 October, colums 202–3.

    European Community (Infrastructure Proposal)

    asked the Minister of Transport what implications the recently agreed EEC transport infrastructure proposal will have on road schemes in the United Kingdom such as the A75 Gretna to Stranraer route.

    The draft regulation on EEC support for transport infrastructure has not yet been agreed. We are, however, anxious for further progress to be made in this field within the EEC on terms acceptable to the British Government.

    Ridgeway Path

    asked the Minister of Transport what plans he has to preserve the Ridgeway Path, part of a prehistoric green road running through Oxfordshire, Berkshire and Wiltshire, from vehicular traffic as requested by the Countryside Commission.

    While I understand that the commission is considering asking my right hon. Friend to make an order banning motor vehicles from the Ridgeway, it has not yet done so.

    European Community (Council Of Transport Ministers)

    asked the Minister of Transport whether he will make a statement on rail and road matters discussed at the Council of Transport Ministers of the EEC which met on Thursday 6 December.

    The Council agreed a package of proposals on road haulage within the Community which mark a further step towards the liberalisation the United Kingdom has always pressed for. Most important to the United Kingdom, the Council adopted a regulation to increase the Community road haulage quota by 20 per cent. Other measures included a regulation to allow short-term Community quota permits; a directive which will liberalise own account road freight transport between member States and a decision on bilateral quota negotiations.The United Kingdom also welcomed the Commission's statement on EEC aid for transport infrastructure, while noting that there were still some problems to be resolved. The Council agreed the Commission's second biennial report on the economic and financial state of the railways and took note of its report on railway integration.The Commission also made a statement on the railways and a brief general statement which included summer time, vehicle taxation, driving licences and market observation.

    Environment

    Small Businesses

    31.

    asked the Secretary of State for the Environment if he will seek powers to prevent the building of public housing on inner city sites currently occupied by small manufacturing businesses; and if he will make a statement.

    No. I refer my hon. Friend to the answer given to him by my hon. Friend the Under-Secretary of State on 16 November. We continue to emphasise that local authorities should in all their decisions give a high priority to the needs of industry especially of smaller firms and in inner areas. Where a local authority cannot avoid disturbing a firm, it has been asked to be as helpful as possible about relocation.—[Vol. 973, c. 859.

    32.

    asked the Secretary of State for the Environment if he will take steps to encourage the growth of small businesses in inner cities.

    Special assistance is available in certain parts of the country under the Department of Industry's regional policy and through local authorities under the urban programme. In general, Government policy is designed to help small firms wherever they may be located.

    Thermal Insulation

    asked the Secretary of State for the Environment if he will make a statement on his proposals for the future of building regulations relating to existing minimum standards for thermal insulation.

    I am considering the case for revising the energy conservation requirements for new dwellings.

    Allotments Act 1925

    asked the Secretary of State for the Environment what proposals he has for modifying section 8 of the Allotments Act 1925; and what consultations he has carried out in this regard.

    It is proposed to repeal this section. This will not affect the obligation of local authorities under Section 23(1) of the Small Holdings and Allotments Act 1908 to provide a sufficient number of allotments where they are of the opinion that there is a demand. The proposed repeal was contained in the White Paper "Central Government Controls over Local Authorities" which had a wide circulation. The major allotment organisations were specifically invited to comment.

    Inner City Partnership Committees

    asked the Secretary of State for the Environment what progress he has made in streamlining the work of the inner city partnership committees.

    We are ensuring that partnership meetings are no larger and no more frequent than their essential purposes require; arrangements will vary according to the individual needs of partnerships. We have consulted local authorities on measures aimed at streamlining the administration of the urban programme, and are considering their comments.

    Local Authorities (Employment)

    asked the Secretary of State for the Environment what reductions in staffing levels he expects in the local authorities in the current year consequent upon the recent White Paper on public expenditure.

    I refer my hon. Friend to the answer I gave on 14 November to the hon. Member for Rother Valley (Mr. Hardy).—[Vol. 973, c. 658.

    Lower Manor Estate, Sheffield (Redevelopment)

    asked the Secretary of State for the Environment if he will now give his approval to the proposals of Sheffield district council for the redevelopment of the Lower Manor estate.

    I am notifying the council that housing subsidy will not continue to be paid on dwellings on this estate if they are demolished. However, I have not yet received specific redevelopment proposals from the council.

    Polyurethane Foam

    asked the Secretary of State for the Environment if, in view of the coroner's findings at the inquest into the fire earlier in the year at the Woolworths store in Piccadilly, Man- chester, he will draw the attention of local authorities to the dangers of the use of polyurethane foam in furnishings and the desirability of substituting safer materials.

    This is of concern to local authorities in a number of their functions, but I am not aware of any for which responsibility at central Government level rests with this Department.

    Rate Support Grant

    asked the Secretary of State for the Environment what percentage of the needs element of the rate support grant 1978–79 and the rate support increase order for the same year is based on the amount actually spent by local authorities.

    None of the needs element of the rate support grant is distributed on the basis of individual authorities' actual expenditure with the exception of the re-distribution of grant to districts in non-metropolitan counties. However, the formula used to distribute the grant is derived from a statistical analysis of total local authority expenditure, and I am concerned that it may be possible for groups of high spending authorities to influence the distribution in their favour. 1980–81 will be the last year in which the present RSG distribution arrangements apply; from 1981–82, the needs element will be subsumed with the resources element in the new block grant.

    Industrial Contamination

    asked the Secretary of State for the Environment (1) what information he has on former industrial land in inner city areas being heavily contaminated with chemicals and toxic metals; how many areas have been so identified and where; what action he proposes to take to give such land remedial treatment; and if he is satisfied that such land poses no health problem; and if he will make a statement;(2) what action he proposes to ensure that land required for playgrounds for children is safe fro mindustrial contamination.

    Responsibility for identifying, and if necessary dealing with, land contamination rests with local authorities. The activities of my Department in providing advice and developing general guidance are described in the recent report of the interdepartmental committee on the redevelopment of contaminated land—I am sending the hon. Member a copy.

    Local Government Expenditure

    asked the Secretary of State for the Environment if he has reconsidered his estimate of the expected total expenditure of local government in 1980–81; if this is at the central point of the range of estimates provided by his Department; and if it is similar to the estimates provided to him by local authority associations.

    The planned level of expenditure in volume terms is that set out in the White Paper "The Government's Expenditure Plans 1980–81" (Cmnd. 7746). The outturn will depend on a variety of factors, including the cost of comparability awards, the level of pay settlements, price inflation and changes in interest rates, as well as the extent to which authorities maintain the volume of expenditure in the light of these. A variety of estimates have been made for a variety of purposes, including those made by officials of the local authority associations; I am not committed to any of them.

    Bird Deaths (Mersey Estuary)

    asked the Secretary of State for the Environment if he will now make a statement on the findings of the inquiry into the deaths of thousands of birds in the Mersey estuary.

    Inquiries into the matter of the deaths of birds in the Mersey estuary are being carried out by the North-West Water Authority in co-operation with local industry, statutory bodies and voluntary wildlife organisations.I understand that relatively high levels of lead have been found in the organs of dead birds, although this has not yet been confirmed as the cause of death. The source of the lead has not been determined, and tests are still being made on samples of surface sediments and organisms from the mud flats of the estuary where the birds are known to feed. Results to date show no change in metal content from the normal level determined by annual survey since 1974.

    In these circumstances, I see no cause at present to intervene in the work of local organisations, but I am watching developments closely.

    Civil Service

    "A Service For Patients"

    asked the Minister for the Civil Service on what basis the document "A Service for Patients", the conclusions and recommendations of the Royal Commission on the National Health Service, was priced; and if he is satisfied that the price has not inhibited the Commission's intention that the document be read by as many people as possible.

    The booklet was priced, appropriately to its length, on the scale applied by HMSO to publications in standard formats. It has achieved a wide circulation; the original edition of 15,000 copies and a reprint of 5,000 have been issued, making a further reprint of 2,500 copies necessary.

    Norwich

    asked the Minister for the Civil Service what is likely to be the reduction of Civil Service employment in Norwich as a result of his proposals to reduce Civil Service staff numbers.

    Departments still have to consider the effect of the manpower reductions in detail. The major Civil Service employer in Norwich is Her Majesty's Stationery Office, for which an overall reduction of 900 posts was announced in the statement I made to the House on 6 December. At least half of this reduction is expected to fall outside Norwich.

    Civil Service College

    asked the Minister for the Civil Service what reductions he proposes to make in the activities of the Civil Service college.

    The particular savings to be achieved at the Civil Service college will depend on departmental demand for college courses.

    Departmental Services

    asked the Minister for the Civil Service what departmental functions and support services he proposes to reduce in his Department.

    Savings of £2·3 million will be made in the staff and related costs of the Civil Service Department. These will include both efficiency savings and cuts in functions. The savings will affect most parts of the Department, and all major areas of work will be involved. The main reductions are: a reduced level of activity in the Civil Service Commission notably in advertising expenditure which will result from reduced demand for recruitment; integration of the executive officer limited competition with the executive officer open competition; some changes in the superannuation field including some computerisation; reduction in PRISM service; reduced work in personnel management policy divisions; a reduction in courses at the Civil Service college; a saving of some 10 per cent. in the net expenditure of Civil Service catering organisation; reduced capacity for management review work, and reductions in external consultancy in management services; savings by changing from weekly to monthly pay for non-industrial staff; economies in the Central Computer Agency through internal rationalisation and some delegation to Departments; and reduced scale of activity in personnel and office services resulting from the general cut in the size of the Department. The detail of some of the function cuts has yet to be settled, for example, in those areas where the scale of activity is to be reduced as a consequence of function cuts elsewhere. The staff side at both national and departmental level will be consulted throughout.

    Her Majesty's Stationery Office

    asked the Minister for the Civil Service why, in his statement on cuts in Civil Service numbers, he anticipates a reduction in Her Majesty's Stationery Office services; and by how much he expects demand to fall in 1979–80 and 1980–81.

    Since Her Majesty's Stationery Office is largely concerned with the supply of goods and services to Government Departments, it is to be expected that the demand on the office will fall in future years as the activity of Government Departments is reduced. Total net expenditure by Her Majesty's Stationery Office in 1979–80 is expected to be some £95 million at 1979 survey prices, and for 1980–81 provision of £100 million was included in the planning figures for "common services" in Cmnd. 7746.

    Social Services

    Pay Beds

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services what would be the cost to the National Health Service of abolishing the remaining private pay beds.

    If the remaining pay beds were abolished, the NHS would lose the income from charges, estimated at about £31 million (England only) in the current financial year. The net loss would depend on how the NHS used any staff resources and facilities thereby available for non-paying patients.

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services what is his Department's estimate of the loss of revenue to the National Health Service as a result of the phasing out of pay beds from the National Health Service in each of the following financial years 1976–77, 1977–78 and 1978–79.

    Expressed at 1979–80 levels, pay bed income in England has declined as follows:

    Income £ million
    1975–7638·0
    1976–7736·8
    1977–7835·4
    1978–7932·8
    1979–80 (forecast)31·0
    It is not possible to say what effect the phasing out of pay beds had. Over the period 1975–79, the number of pay beds fell from 4,150 to 2,189 but the number of private in-patients treated each year fell only from 96,288 to 92,242.

    Hostel Grant Scheme

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services if he will extend the hostel grant scheme, circular 21/73, for two more years so that local authorities and voluntary agencies are not obliged to close or cut back services to alcoholics.

    I am considering the representations which have been made and I hope to make a further announcement before the Christmas Recess.

    Kidney Cases

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services what are the latest convenient figures for the number of treatable cases awaiting kidney dialysis and kidney transplant; and if he will make a statement on his plans to alleviate the situation.

    Information on the number of cases awaiting treatment on renal dialysis machines is not available but the number awaiting a kidney transplant in England at 31 October was 1,261 Our plans for increasing the supply of kidneys for transplantation are set out in my reply to my hon. Friend the Member for Bath (Mr. Patten) on 4 December.—[Vol. 975, c. 168–9

    Essex Area Health Authority

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services what are the composition, staff and administrative costs of the Essex area health authority.

    Essex area health authority has a chairman and 22 members. The expenditure on headquarters administration for that authority in 1978–79, including area headquarters and five health district offices, was £5,193,612. This excludes costs for administrative and clerical staff at hospitals and other units which are not available centrally. The whole-time equivalent of the total number of administrative and clerical staff employed by the authority at 30 September 1977 (the latest date for which finalised figures are available) was 2,241. The figures for staff numbers and administrative costs are not therefore comparable.

    Herbicide 245-T

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services what representations he has received on the use of weedkiller 245-T and its suspected danger to the health of humans.

    In addition to the matter raised by my hon. Friend the Member for Sudbury and Woodbridge (Mr. Stainton in his question on 28 Novem- ber, I have replied to one letter on this subject.—[Vol. 974, c. 678.

    Poverty Level

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services what estimate he has made of the number of people likely to be below the accepted poverty level at this time in 1980.

    Poverty is a relative matter and the Government do not accept that a simple poverty line can be drawn.

    Supplementary Benefit

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services how much money will be available for redistribution as a result of the changes proposed in the White Paper on the reform of the supplementary benefit scheme; which categories of benefit recipients will be worse off, and which will be better of, as a result of the proposed changes; and by how much in each case, disregarding the proposed general increase in benefits in November 1980.

    As recorded in the explanatory and financial memorandum to the Social Security Bill, the proposals which result in savings will make about £60 million available for redistribution through the proposals which result in extra expenditure.The category with the largest number of claimants who will lose will be supplementary pensioners, as a result of the 40p reduction in the long-term scale rate (35p for a couple) under the proposal to align the main supplementary benefit and national insurance rates. The categories with the largest numbers of claimants who will gain are lone parents and the unemployed.It is proposed to introduce the changes in November 1980 and it will not be possible to estimate firmly the impact then of the overall package of changes until more up-to-date information becomes available about the numbers of claimants in the various categories, and the levels of their resources and rents. The most recent information about claimants relates to November 1978. On that basis, the effect of the changes on different categories of claimants is shown in the following table:

    OVERALL PACKAGE (RENT SHARE £3·80 LONG-TERM SCALE RATE OFFSET DROPPED)

    Thousands

    Losers

    Gainers

    Category

    £3·00 and over£1·46-£3·00£1·01-£1·450·41p-£1·000·01p-0·40p

    Total number losers

    No change

    0·01p-0·50p0·51p-£1·40£1·41-£3·10

    over £3·10

    Total number of gainers

    Total number of cases

    Cases without children:
    All supplementary pensioners8841621581,1761,587811923193631,731
    Sick and disabled153847649719241843204
    Unemployed5539729227149466165421
    Other supplementary allowance1122111775

    *

    1101641
    Total without children15951691771,2421,6974121912931362882,397
    Cases with children:
    All supplementary pensioners11135

    *

    *

    1

    *

    16
    Sick and disabled111124

    *

    34451520
    Unemployed2745421

    *

    3951605155176
    Lone parent families†267948721248764470238322
    Other supplementary allowance

    *

    11135

    *

    1222711
    Total with children415121660107139013410982416536
    Grand Total191091821931,3021,8054242821631401187032,932

    * Less than 500.

    † Excludes 17,000 lone parent family cases in other categories.

    Family Incomes

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services if he will give details of the composition of the unemployed population in terms of the family types and normal former earnings levels specified in the reply given to the hon. Member for Norfolk, North (Mr. Howell), as published in the Official Report, 7 November, c. 213; and since the unemployed population is not entirely composed of such family categories, if he will give similar details for other major categories.

    The information requested is not available and could be obtained only at disproportionate cost.

    Unemployment Claimants

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services if he will publish in full the results of the analysis of the matched sample of unemployed claimants, some of whom were subjected to interview by unemployment review officers, and on which he has based his estimate of the savings accruing to the work of the officers.

    When making estimates of the saving in benefit resulting from the work of unemployment review officers we have started with the number of cases ceasing to draw benefits, as published in the SBC annual reports, but have modified this figure to allow for the fact that some of these claimants would have gone to work anyway, over a period, even if not contacted by one of these officers. Using the best information available, an estimated figure of 25 per cent. has been deducted from calculated savings to allow for this factor.It is not possible to provide an analysis of data in the form requested because our estimates have been based on the results of various small scale local studies, in the absence of any recent national figures based on research using matched samples. These studies include only one with matched samples and its results were published in the SBC annual report for 1977 (paragraphs 7.42 to 7.44).

    Paul Brown

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services when the public inquiry into the circumstances following the death of Paul Brown will be established; who will chair the inquiry; and when he expects the inquiry to begin work.

    I refer the hon. Member to my reply to my hon. Friend the Member for Wirral (Mr. Hunt) on 7 December.

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services if he is taking steps to ensure that all the local authority's documents on Paul Brown are in safe keeping while awaiting the start of the public inquiry into the circumstances following the death of Paul Brown.

    Members' Correspondence

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services what is the average time taken by his Department to resolve cases referred by hon. Members to himself and his Departmental colleagues; and why a matter raised on 18 May involving Mr. K. C. Wheeler, of 37 Tregenver Road, Falmouth, and one raised on 4 August regarding Mr. J. L. Williams, of 6 New Bungalows, Golden Sands Estate, Guildford Road, Hayle, Cornwall, have not yet received substantive replies.

    Figures of this kind are not readily available. We aim to reply as quickly as possible to all correspondence and to send an interim reply when inquiries are protracted. I am afraid that complications in the case of Mr. Wheeler have not been entirely resolved as pointed out in a letter on 2 November, but I will write more fully to my hon. Friend very soon. In the case of Mr. Williams, a substantive reply was sent to my hon. Friend on13 November.

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services why it took him until 29 November to reply to a letter from the hon. Member for Wolverhampton, North-East dated 8 September about a matter raised with her by a member of the medical staff at New Cross hospital, Wolverhampton, in view of the fact that his reply was in the form of a copy of a letter dated 6 September from the chairman of the area health authority to a consultant at the same hospital.

    I am sorry that I was unable to reply earlier to the hon. Member. The copy of the letter referred to was not immediately available, and it was then the subject of consideration within the Department.I am most anxious to avoid such delays, which are in part caused by the volume of cases now sent to Ministers at the Department. Hon. Members may find it speedier if, in cases about constituents where information is individual and

    NUMBER OF DEATHS, WITH SEPSIS, FOLLOWING LEGAL ABORTION OPERATIONS FOR EACH YEAR FROM 1950–77 FOR ENGLAND AND WALES
    1950195119521953195419551956195719581959
    321
    1960196119621963196419651966196719681969
    111212238
    19701971197219731974197519761977
    715223

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services what were the number of deaths within three months of legal abortion operations for each year from 1965 to 1978, inclusive, for England and Wales; and if he will give the causes of death.

    Community Health Councils

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services if he will make a further statement on the future funding and activity of community health councils; and what plans he has to change their functions.

    The future role of community health councils will be covered in a consultative paper on the structure and management of the National Health Service to be issued shortly.

    Invalidity Pension

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services whether the National Insurance Advisory Committee report on the review of the housewives' non-contributory invalidity pension will be published before that body is abolished; if not, if the proposed social security advisory committee will con-

    factual they were to write, in the first instance, to the appropriate health authority administrator. If this does not resolve the inquiry then, of course, I shall be happy to inquire further about the matter.

    Abortion

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services what were the number of deaths, with sepsis, following the legal abortion operations for each year from 1950 to 1977 for England and Wales.

    The figures are as follows:tinue the review; and if he will make a statement.

    I understand that the national insurance advisory committee intends to report on the question relating to the housewives' non-contributory invalidity pension in the early part of next year. The intention is that the report will be published before the committee is abolished.

    Providence Hospital, St Helens

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services if he has received a communication from constituents of the hon. Member for St. Helens about the future support required for the Providence hospital, St. Helens; what assurance he was able to give them in his reply; and if he will make a statement.

    Yes. I have received a letter from Councillor Hugh Littler, Mayor of St. Helens, and others. I hope to be able to reply shortly and I shall ensure that the hon. Member receives a copy of my letter.

    Supplementary Benefit

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services how many people in Scotland are receiving supplementary benefit; and what are the comparative figures for the same time in each of the last 10 years.

    The information in the following table relates to May, or thereabouts, of each year as that is the most recent month in the current year for which the available figures are unlikely to have been affected by seasonal distortion.

    YearNumber of recipients of supplementary benefit (Thousands)
    1969283
    1970285
    1971316
    1972326
    1973 (a)315
    1974292
    1975267
    1976283
    1977296
    1978 (b)290
    1979285
    Notes
    (a) Prior to May 1973 the figures included some unemployment claimants who received no supplementary benefit during the week preceding the count.
    (b) Figures after May 1977 are not directly comparable with earlier figures due to a change in the method of estimation.

    Christmas Bonus

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services, how many pensioners in Lambeth and Southwark will not receive their £10 Christmas bonus before Christmas as a result of the dispute over Civil Service staff cuts at the Kennington Department of Health and Social Security office.

    Pensioners cashing their pension orders for this week (beginning 3 December) are being paid the Christmas bonus with their weekly pensions by post offices. The only persons above pension age who may not get the Christmas bonus just yet are those who are not receiving retirement pensions but are receiving supplementary benefit from the Kennington office. That office would normally have sent girocheques to these persons, who are few in number, but in present circumstances the payments will, unfortunately, be delayed.

    Family Income Supplement

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services why, in the light of the fact that one question, No. 6, is inapplicable to the self-employed, the application form FIS 1 November for family income supplement specifically stated that every question must be answered.

    The form asks for every question to be answered simply to avoid the common situation of a question remaining ambiguously unanswered. In these cases the form has to be returned for clarification to the claimant, causing unnecessary trouble and delay to the claimant and adding to administrative costs.Question 6 on the FIS claim form asks "How many hours a week do you work for an employer?"—to which the self-employed person would normally answer "None", unless, of course, he is concurrently working for an employer. The next question, No. 7, asks "How many hours a week are you self-employed?".

    Child Benefit

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services when he will be extending the scope of child benefit increases to include people other than parents who are bringing up children alone.

    My right hon. Friend, together with the Treasury, has now made the appropriate regulations. These will be coming into operation on 1 February 1980.

    Welfare Food

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services if he will make a statement about the limited changes in the welfare food service referred to in the White Paper on the Government's expenditure plans 1980–81; and what are his intentions for the future of children's vitamin drops and vitamin tablets for expectant and nursing mothers sold under the welfare food service.

    In my reply to the hon. Member for Thurrock (Dr. McDonald) on 12 November 1979, I said that the changes related solely to beneficiaries in large families not needing help on income grounds.After 31 December 1979, the Government will remove from the categories of beneficiary under the free welfare milk and vitamins scheme those in large young families not receiving supplementary benefit, family income supplement or claiming on grounds of low income. Tokens for those categories have not been provided since 15 November for dates beyond 31 December 1979. Tokens already issued to such families for dates beyond 31 December 1979 will however continue to be honoured. Those affected in such families are:—expectant mothers with at least two children under school age;—the third and subsequent children in families with at least three children under school age.There is no change in the arrangements for:

  • (i) families receiving supplementary benefit, family income supplement or claiming on grounds of low income;
  • (ii) children attending an approved day nursery, playgroup or childminder;
  • (iii) handicapped children aged 5 to 16 who are not registered pupils at a school.
  • The savings in England in 1980–81 under the new arrangements are expected to be about £1·8 million, and £2·5 million in each subsequent year, based on the present price for liquid milk of 15p a pint.

    Vitamin supplements and modified dried milk will continue to be sold at maternity and child health clinics for use by expectant and nursing mothers and young children. However because of increased raw material and production costs, the Health Ministers have agreed that the following price increases will take effect from 1 January 1980 for vitamin supplements bought at clinics and welfare food distribution centres:

    Present Price

    Price from 1 January 1980

    Children's vitamin drops (per bottle)10p14p
    Vitamin tablets for expectant and nursing mothers (per container)24p30p

    The effect of the price increases will be that a family not entitled to free welfare food would pay between 1p and 2p extra a week for vitamin supplements.

    I am laying a Welfare Food (Amendment) Order tomorrow to give effect to both the changes in the scheme and the price increases.

    Patients (Records)

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services to what extent computerised data and records about patients are kept within his Department or by health authorities in England; when this was authorised; which health authorities keep such records and what safeguards have been prescribed by him.

    [pursuant to his reply, 26 November 1979, c. 468–9…: Details of the types of data and records about patients which are held by the Department and by health authorities on computers are given below. Computers have been in use in the National Health Service for about 12 years and health authorities may keep records on computers without specific authorisation by the Department. All regional health authorities keep unidentified statistical data relating to patients on computers. The use of computers for identified patient records varies between health authorities: none keeps all the types of record listed.The Department's computers operate under stringent safeguards for the confidentiality and security of data held about patients, and health authorities are similarly expected to apply satisfactory safeguards. I have endorsed specific principles commended by the previous Administration for safeguarding child health records on NHS computers. Safeguards for computerised health records are under review in the context of the consideration being given by the Government to the recommendations of the committee on data protection.

    Types of Patient Records held on Departmental Computers

    • Mental Health inquiry
    • Amputation and prosthesis: statistics
    • Monitoring adverse reaction to drugs
    • Artificial limbs and appliances: statistics
    • Psychiatric cases (Worcester area): statistics
    • Hospital activity analysis
    • Community health register and recall systems
    • Hospital patient organisation systems
    • Laboratory systems
    • Family practitioner systems
    • Pricing and scheduling for dental payments
    • Cancer registration

    Marginal Tax

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services pursuant to his reply of 23 October 1979 to the hon. Member for Birkenhead, if he will indicate the number of families subject to marginal tax rates of (a) 50 per cent. to 75 per cent. (b) 75 per cent. to 100 per cent. and (c) 100 per cent. and over into one and two-parent families.

    [pursuant to her reply, 27 November 1979, c. 592…: In addition to the estimated 150,000 families with children who were theoretically subject to a range of "marginal tax rates" of 50 but less than 75 per cent., there were, as indicated by my reply to the hon. Member on 23 October, another 100,000 "families" in this theoretical situation as at December 1977. They consisted of childless married couples and single persons without children.

    Agriculture, Fisheries And Food

    Fisheries Licensing

    asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food if it is his intention to bring in a comprehensive

    UNITED KINGDOM EXPORT OF SHEEPMEAT
    Tonnes
    JanuaryFebruaryMarch
    197819791978197919781979
    France2,0121,0411,8338691,317923
    Belgium/Luxemborg1,1361,5481,3211,2691,1471,383
    Netherlands3570511254276
    West Germany7871,0178651,0401,0951,015
    Italy25148414631041180
    Irish Republic2920
    Denmark2108212247118
    Norway/Sweden1*11
    Switzerland136172107143142159
    Austria463
    Portugal154
    Spain5*61
    Gibraltar721326
    Malta3*
    Greece*
    Morocco6025875
    Algeria17158928
    Libya35226104
    Egypt
    West Africa38223011151
    Saudi Arabia45*46
    Kuwait}296061378
    Bahrain
    Qatar
    Abu Dhabi Gulf States
    Dubar
    Oman
    Sharjah
    North Yemen863
    Iran19
    India13
    West Indies13011
    South America1012
    Total Trade:4,4794,6474,4204,4113,8684,184

    vessel licensing system in line with those already working effectively for foreign vessels fishing in Norwegian and Canadian waters; and if he will make a statement.

    As experience in other countries has shown, the introduction of a comprehensive vessel licensing scheme can have far-reaching implications for the fishing industry. The arguments for and against such a scheme here are being considered.

    Sheepmeat

    asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food what has been the level of monthly exports of sheepmeat to each country outside the United Kingdom, during the first 10 months of the current year compared with 1978.

    Tonnes

    April

    May

    June

    1978

    1979

    1978

    1979

    1978

    1979

    France1,6266618892181,019237
    Belgium/Luxemborg1,2841,1481,1561,0078801,067
    Netherlands849489857878
    West Germany1,0911,3989079779001,307
    Italy27471441
    Irish Republic1246
    Denmark14861663231
    Norway/Sweden1
    Switzerland135129998411064
    Austria
    Portugal18
    Spain1514
    Gibraltar61614
    Malta
    Greece

    *

    Morocco
    Algeria28
    Libya
    Egypt
    West Africa224213
    Saudi Arabia930612
    Kuwait}341127264
    Bahrain
    Qatar
    Abu Dhabi Gulf States
    Dubar
    Oman
    Sharjah
    North Yemen436116
    Iran

    *

    India1
    West Indies124
    South America12
    Total Trade:4,3773,6123,2022,6023,0422,870

    Tonnes

    July

    August

    September

    1978

    1979

    1978

    1979

    1978

    1979

    France429872322345239
    Belgium/Luxemborg9248669029081,002959
    Netherlands553367719464
    West Germany952956986985857958
    Italy86916757272218
    Irish Republic
    Denmark23721
    Norway/Sweden616
    Switzerland127104193173167174
    Austria18
    Portugal

    *

    1

    *

    5
    Spain1114813
    Gibraltar113

    *

    *

    Malta
    Greece111
    Morocco
    Algeria13217721774
    Libya86
    Egypt14
    West Africa

    *

    *

    196
    Saudi Arabia62102
    Kuwait}2416713823
    Bahrain
    Qatar
    Abu Dhabi Gulf States
    Dubar
    Oman
    Sharjah
    North Yemen13161123
    Iran

    *

    *

    *Less than 500 kgs.

    Tonnes

    July

    August

    September

    1978

    1979

    1978

    1979

    1978

    1979

    India
    West Indies1877691
    South America1510
    Total Trade:2,3682,2322,6992,2523,2502,598

    Source:

    Ministry of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food

    Herbicide 2,4,5=T

    asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food if he will list the representations he has received concerning the complaints about the use of the weedkiller 2,4,5=T.

    Apart from questions raised in the House and in another place, we have had 12 letters from hon. Members, usually enclosing correspondence from their constituents. Additionally, letters have been received from four organisations and six individuals.

    asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food if he will list the countries within the EEC that have banned the use of the weedkiller 2,4,5=T; whether he has ascertained from the appropriate Community Agriculture Ministers the reasons for doing so; and whether he is still prepared to allow its use in the United Kingdom.

    The use of 2,4,5=T herbicides is not banned in France, West Germany, Belgium, Ireland, Luxembourg and Denmark, and is banned in Italy (since 1970) and the Netherlands (since 1978) and it is not for me to question their decisions. I am not aware of any scientific evidence upon which the herbicides concerned have been banned in these or any other countries.If there was such evidence it would have been received and sifted by our expert advisory committee on pesticides. In the absence of such evidence the advisory committee has recommended, and the Government have concluded, that these products can safely be used provided, as with all chemicals, they are used as recommended.

    asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food why he will not agree to an inquiry into the use of the weedkiller 2,4,5=7.

    Because, like the previous Administration, the Government accept the conclusions of the advisory committee on pesticides, whose findings were published as recently as last March. Since then, neither the Government nor the advisory committee have received any evidence which would justify a further review.

    asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food whether he will agree to a joint meeting of his advisory committee on the use of chemicals and weedkillers and officials and advisors of the National Union of Aricultural and Allied Workers to ascertain their views on the uses of the weedkiller 2,4,5=T.

    I offered the union facilities of this kind as far back as 16 November.

    Food Exports

    asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food what is his policy for encouraging food exports and for eliminating non-tariff barriers; and if he will make a statement.

    Food exporters make a valuable contribution to the economic performance of this country. They will continue to have our full support and encouragement. My Department works closely with other Departments and with British posts overseas, as well as with industry, trade associations and other bodies concerned, in seeking to foster exports. My right hon. Friend will continue, in concert with the Community institutions as appropriate, to press for the elimination of non-tariff barriers imposed by other countries.

    Deficiency Payments

    asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food what estimate he has made of the cost, at current prices, of the total deficiency payments which have had to have been paid, on the previous method of calculation, since British entry into the EEC ended the former system.

    I regret that a satisfactory estimate of the cost of deficiency payments in the United Kingdom since 1973 could not be made, since it would depend on the assumptions which were made about the levels of guarantee which would have been set; the precise features of the guarantee, import and export arrangements which would have applied; the levels of market price which would have prevailed in trading conditions different from those which existed in practice; and whether or not such a scheme would have been financed on an EEC or national basis.

    Scotland

    Her Majesty's Prison, Barlinnie

    asked the Secretary of State for Scotland what recent discussions have been held on the future of the special unit at Her Majesty's prison, Barlinnie in Glasgow; and if it will continue

    There has been no recent occasion for official discussions on the future of the Barlinnie special unit. I have already made it clear on a number of occasions that it is the Government's intention that the special unit should continue to operate as it has in the past and in the way that was intended when it was first set up.

    May report recommendations 1 January
    Grade1974197519761977197819791980
    Prison Officer2,0912,8603,1733,3823,6734,0625,028
    Senior Officer2,4483,3503,6633,8724,2374,6785,420
    Principal Officer2,7783,8004,1134,3224,7545,2406,081
    Chief Officer II3,2924,5044,8175,0265,5566,0567,400
    Chief Officer I3,5944,9215,2345,4436,0126,5528,000
    * Includes night and shift disturbance allowance.

    asked the Secretary of State for Scotland if he will list in the Official Reportthe numbers of prison officers, at appropriate grades, employed in each Scottish prison and young offen-

    Dundee Limb Fitting Centre

    asked the Secretary of State for Scotland if he is satisfied with existing workshop space and lecture facilities at the Dundee limb fitting centre; and if he will make a statement.

    The health board recognises that the office and workshop accommodation at the Dundee limb fitting centre is unsatisfactory and hopes to start work during the next financial year on replacement offices and workshops, and to make an improvement in teaching facilities

    Prison Officers

    asked the Secretary of State for Scotland if he will list in the Official Reportthe salary levels paid to each appropriate grade of prison officers in each of the last five years, also showing these in real terms using 1974 levels as base 100 and what these levels will be if the recommendations of the May report are fully implemented.

    The information on prison officers' salaries is set out in the table below. Changes in the purchasing power of earnings depend on the income tax and social security payments of individuals according to their circumstances as well as movements in retail prices of goods and services. In addition, the retail price index includes housing and clothing costs for which prison officers have separate allowances.Scottish Prison Service-Prison Officers' Annual Salary

    * —scale maximum.

    ders' institution and indicate, where appropriate, any shortfall of recommended complements at each level.

    Mr. Rifkind: The information at 1 November 1979 is given in the following table.

    STAFF COMPLEMENT AND IN POST FIGURES AT 1 NOVEMBER 1979 FOR PRISON OFFICER GRADES
    Prisons

    Aberdeen

    Barlinnie

    Barlinnie SU

    Cornton Vale

    Complement

    In post

    +/-

    Complement

    In post

    +/-

    Complement

    In post

    +/-

    Complement

    In post

    +/-
    Chief Officer I1111
    Chief Officer II:
    Discipline112222
    Nurse1111
    Caterer11
    Principal Officer:
    Discipline33313111-1149-5
    Instructor33
    Nurse331-1
    Caterer11
    Senior Officer:
    Discipline773026-4112014-6
    Instructor1164-211
    Nurse11441111
    Caterer1111
    Officer:
    Discipline4845-3160145-15108-2135122-13
    Instructor†61(3)-2286(15)-796(1)-2
    Nurse112126*+521-182-6
    Caterer1123+133
    Works‡72(3)-22614(5)-7124(3)-5
    Chief Clerk Officer1122
    Principal Clerk Officer33161623+1
    Clerk Officer114422
    Senior Foreman of Works11
    Foreman of Works
    Engineer Officer I111111
    Engineer Officer II11

    Prisons

    Dungavel

    Edinburgn

    Greenock

    Inverness

    Complement

    In post

    +/-

    Complement

    In post

    +/-

    Complement

    In post

    +/-

    Complement

    In post

    +/-
    Chief Officer I11
    Chief Officer II:
    Discipline112211
    Nurse1
    Caterer
    Principal Officer:
    Discipline22191911—122
    Instructor2241-3
    Nurse11—1
    Caterer11
    Senior Officer:
    Discipline4424242166
    Instructor21-122-4
    Nurse1111111
    Caterer1-111
    Officer:
    Discipline2219-3125125-4268-105245-7
    Instructor†94(3)-212(11)12(11)-821(1)
    Nurse411*+71111
    Caterer12+122122
    Works‡73(2)-21313-5464(3)+1
    Chief Clerk Officer1122+111
    Principal Clerk Officer1199122
    Clerk Officer21-133111
    Senior Foreman of Works
    Foreman of Works11
    Engineer Officer I11111
    Engineer Officer II22

    Prisons

    Low Moss

    Penninghame

    Perth

    Peterhead

    Complement

    In post

    +/-

    Complement

    In post

    +/-

    Complement

    In post

    +/-

    Complement

    In post

    +/-
    Chief Officer I1111
    Chief Officer II:
    Discipline112222
    Nurse
    Caterer
    Principal Officer:
    Discipline442212121515
    Instructor1—111—33311
    Nurse111111
    Caterer1111
    Senior Officer:
    Discipline88222019-11615-1
    Instructor23+1—454-133
    Nurse111111
    Caterer11
    Officer:
    Discipline5644-121212114120+6120117-3
    Instructor†96(3)31(2)198(10)-1131(5)-7
    Nurse11114444
    Caterer11222222
    Works‡72(3)-243(1)1912(4)-32011(2)-7
    Chief Clerk Officer111111
    Principal Clerk Officer33116633
    Clerk Officer11113322
    Senior Foreman of Works
    Foreman of Works1111
    Engineer Officer I11112222
    Engineer Officer II

    Prisons

    Prison Shotts

    Castle Huntly

    Borstal Institutions Noranside

    Polmont

    Complement

    In post

    +/-

    Complement

    In post

    +/-

    Complement

    In post

    +/-

    Complement

    In post

    +/-
    Chief Officer I11
    Chief Officer II:
    Discipline11111122
    Nurse
    Caterer
    Principal Officer:
    Discipline2233332221-1
    Instructor1122
    Nurse11
    Caterer
    Senior Officer:
    Discipline86-244441818
    Instructor221112+1
    Nurse11
    Caterer—111
    Officer:
    Discipline36362633+72625-18383
    Instructor†4(1)-3105(5)54(2)+1216(13)-2
    Nurse1111
    Caterer11222222
    Works‡53(2)94(4)-1551911(7)-1
    Chief Clerk Officer11111111
    Principal Clerk Officer22111144
    Clerk Officer21-1111121-1
    Senior Foreman of Works
    Foreman of Works1111
    Engineer Officer I1111
    Engineer Officer II1133

    Young Offenders Institutions

    Y.O. and D.C..

    Remand

    Dumfries

    Friarton

    Glenochil

    Longriggend

    Complement

    In post

    +/-

    Complement

    In post

    +/-

    Complement

    In post

    +/-

    Complement

    In post

    +/-
    Chief Officer I11
    Chief Officer II:
    Discipline1123+111
    Nurse
    Caterer
    Principal Officer:
    Discipline4422202066
    Instructor4-4
    Nurse11
    Caterer11
    Senior Officer:
    Discipline44223435+11413-1
    Instructor221145+1
    Nurse111111
    Caterer11—11111
    Officer:
    Discipline5455+12625-1166164-27054-16
    Instructor†63(3)33326(19)-711
    Nurse11114422
    Caterer11224411
    Works‡95(4)52-3239(8)-683(2)-3
    Chief Clerk Officer112211
    Principal Clerk Officer22119933
    Clerk Officer11114411
    Senior Foreman of Works11
    Foreman of Works
    Engineer Officer I11111111
    Engineer Officer II11

    * Barlinnie and Edinburgh nurse officers—Figure includes seven officers at each establishment on nurse officer training course.

    † Figure in brackets denotes post filled by civilian instructors.
    ‡ Figure in brackets denotes post filled by civilian industrial workmen.

    asked the Secretary of State for Scotland if he will list in the, Official Report the number of responses received from (a) individuals and (b) organisations to the May report on the pay and conditions of prison officers, indicating, where possible, a breakdown into those which endorsed the report and those which rejected it.

    Orthopaedic Operations

    asked the Secretary of State for Scotland what the average waiting period was for orthopaedic operations in each health board area in each of the last five years.

    Information as to how long a patient has waited for his operation only becomes available when he is ready for discharge from hospital. The following table shows average waiting times in days in respect of patients discharged from hospitals during the years 1975 to 1977.Figures for l 978 and 1979 are not yet available.

    AVERAGE WAITING TIME (IN DAYS) FOR PATIENTS DISCHARGED FOLLOWING ORTHOPAEDIC OPERATIONS
    Health Board197519761977
    Argyll and Clyde145147178
    Ayrshire and Arran495249
    Borders1329393
    Dumfries and Galloway13110090
    Fife176167158
    Forth Valley169263302
    Grampian1088783
    Greater Glasgow9510291
    Highland12410283
    Lanarkshire10710089
    Lothian115124112
    Orkney829
    Shetland677230
    Tayside113112135
    Western Isles323474

    Alcoholism

    asked the Secretary of State for Scotland what consideration is being given by his Department to the most recent report of the Scottish Council on Alcoholism published on 20 November.

    The report "Responding to Alcohol Related Problems in Scotland—The Development of Services" is being considered in the Scottish Office.

    Dundee District Council

    asked the Secretary of State for Scotland if he will publish details of the public inquiry which is to be held concerning the proposed new boundaries for Dundee district council elections; why the public inquiry has been called; if a commissioner has been appointed; and when the public inquiry will begin.

    The review of local government electoral arrangements is a matter for the Local Government Boundary Commission for Scotland. I understand that, as a result of objections to its provisional proposals for Dundee district, the Commission will shortly intimate in the press and to interested parties, including hon. Members representing Dundee constituencies, the detailed arrangements for local consultation to be carried out by an assistant commissioner.

    Tayside Health Board

    asked the Secretary of State for Scotland what is the full establishment for nursing staff in Tayside health board; and what is the excess or deficit of nursing staff.

    The funded establishment is 5,537 and nurses in post at the end of last month totalled 5,460–a deficit of 77. All figures are in terms of whole-time equivalents.

    asked the Secretary of State for Scotland how many medical vacancies have occurred in each hospital in Tayside health board in the past year; how many have been filled; and how many have yet to be filled.

    Information is collected centrally only on hospital medical posts unfilled for more than six months. For the year ending 30 September 1979, Tayside health board submitted a nil return.

    Education Budget (Subsidies)

    asked the Secretary of State for Scotland what are the values of the subsidies to the educational budgets of Tayside and Scotland on (a) the school meals service, (b) school transport and (c) school milk; and what percentage of the total educational budgets these subsidies represent in each case.

    Rate support grant is paid in aid of local authority services generally and is not hypothecated to individual services. The Government do not pay a direct subsidy towards the costs incurred by education authorities on school meals, school transport and school milk; in the case of school milk my Department transmits to authorities an EEC subsidy estimated for 1979–80 at £1·5 million. The following table shows the estimates of expenditure on these services within total relevant expenditure assumed in the rate support grant settlement for 1979–80:

    £ million at November 1978 pricesPercentage of education estimate Per cent.
    School meals39·35·5
    School transport15·02·1
    School milk3·3*0·5
    Total for education715·1*100·0
    *Net of EEC subsidy.
    I have asked Tayside regional council to let the hon. Member have comparable figures.
    EXPENDITURE PER HEAD OF POPULATION
    Health Board1976–771977–781978–79
    £££
    Argyll and Clyde106·58120·00143·97
    Ayrshire and Arran85·8499·57115·26
    Borders100·13113·95130·25
    Dumfries and Galloway114·96124·64142·18
    Fife89·57101·03116·12
    Forth Valley106·49119·97139·24
    Grampian119·35132·80152·38
    Greater Glasgow156·68177·81209·20
    Highland127·68143·50168·68
    Lanarkshire93·81105·91120·31
    Lothian134·54155·31178·69
    Orkney93·38106·14132·23
    Shetland103·48105·19120·33
    Tayside155·14171·47196·54
    Western Isles99·61114·75150·18
    Scotland122·67138·50160·61

    Intensive Care Cots

    asked the Secretary of State for Scotland how many intensive care cots are available for the maintenance of life of the very young in Tayside health board and Scotland overall.

    On 31 March 1979 there were 46 cots in Tayside and 630 in Scotland available for both intensive

    Chilean Refugees

    asked the Secretary of State for Scotland if he will name the local authorities in Scotland which have provided housing for Chilean refugees.

    Education (No 2) Bill

    asked the Secretary of State for Scotland how many letters he has received opposing the proposals contained in the Education (No. 2) Bill from local authorities, voluntary organisations and individuals.

    Health Services (Expenditure)

    asked the Secretary of State for Scotland what has been the amount spent per head of population by each health board in Scotland in each of the past three years; and what are the corresponding figures for Scotland.

    The information is set out in the table below. It should be noted that several boards provide treatment for patients from other areas.and special care. These two forms of provision are not differentiated in the returns submitted by health boards.

    Expenditure

    asked the Secretary of State for Scotland (1) if he will set out in the Official Report his estimates of the cost of (a) increased value added tax, (b) the Clegg awards to each education authority in Scotland, (c) what is the amount by which they are offset by increased allocations from central Government and (d) what the gain to the Exchequer will be as a result of value added tax and income tax revenue on these increases;(2) if he will set out in the

    Official Report his estimates of the cost of ( a) increased value added tax, ( b) the Clegg awards to each social work department in Scotland, ( c) what is the amount by which they are offset by increased allocations from central Government and ( d) what the gain to the Exchequer will be as a result of value added tax and income tax revenues on these increases.

    Information is not collected from local authorities in such a form as to make it possible for me to give estimates of this kind.

    Local Authorities (Capital Allocation)

    asked the Secretary of State for Scotland if he will consider assisting local authorities who are concerned about late notification of capital allocations for housing and general services by intimating

    Health Board1976–771977–781978–79
    £££
    Argyll and Clyde
    Ayrshire and Arran44718
    Borders
    Dumfries and Galloway
    Fife
    Forth Valley22663
    Grampian1628194
    Greater Glasgow2,031346
    Highland252120397
    Lanarkshire67344
    Lothian994,82819
    Orkney
    Shetland
    Tayside15604826
    Western Isles

    Dogs

    asked the Secretary of State for Scotland what his Department's response will be to requests from local authorities to promote private legislation to deal with the problem of nuisance created by dogs in public places because of delay in promoting national legislation on the subject.

    I hope that the legislation to replace the Burgh Police Acts, which expire at the end of 1982, will greatly reduce the need for local legislalation, but I would not enter objections

    not only the following year's allocation but the following five years' allocation of capital resources in the month of September to apply for the period commencing the following April to enable local authorities to plan their future spending.

    No. Local authorities are given as much notice as possible of the capital expenditure which I can authorise, consistent with the Government's public expenditure plans. The present financial planning system meets this requirement, with the issue of guidelines for three years ahead in the summer and provisional allocations for the following year in the autumn.

    Private Patients (Fees)

    asked the Secretary of State for Scotland how much has been written off in each health board in each of the past three years because of nonpayment of fees by private patients in the National Health Service in Scotland.

    The information is set out in the following table.to local legislation on well-precedented lines if local authorities feel it necessary to take action in the meantime.

    asked the Secretary of State for Scotland what immediate steps he intends, by means of legislation or other measures, to deal with the increasing problem of nuisance created by dogs in public places.

    Local authorities already have a wide range of byelaw-making powers which can be used to control dogs in public places. My right hon. Friend is considering whether the legislation necessary to replace the Burgh Police Acts, which expire at the end of 1982, should add to these powers. My right hon. Friend has at present no plans for any other measures.

    National Coal Board Houses

    asked the Secretary of State for Scotland if he will give extra financial assistance to Midlothian district council or housing associations to tackle the problem of improving National Coal Board houses in the area, in the light of the deterioration of this housing stock and the likelihood of these houses ultimately becoming the responsibility of the local authority.

    The condition of the houses is a matter for the National Coal Board. If responsibility for them is transferred to other public bodies, any improvements to them will have to be financed out the resources made available to these bodies.

    Elderly And Disabled Persons (Garden Maintenance)

    asked the Secretary of State for Scotland if he will introduce legislation to allocate responsibility to local authorities for the maintenance of gardens of the elderly and disabled.

    No. I understand that, in most areas, district and regional councils find existing legislation an adequate basis for making arrangements for the maintenance of the gardens of the elderly and disabled. I am aware that there are difficulties within Lothian region, but this is a matter for the local authorities concerned to resolve.

    Medical Certificates (Housing Applications)

    asked the Secretary of State for Scotland (1) what it his policy on the practice of medical practitioners demanding fees from applicants for allocation of a local authority house who require a medical certificate to support their assessment;

  • (2) if he will take steps to transfer from the local authority to health boards the responsibility for fees payable to doctors for medical certificates produced in support of a housing application in terms of section 22 of the National Health Service (Scotland) Act 1972 as is operated elsewhere in the United Kingdom;
  • (3) if he will consult Lothian's health board as to whether it is appropriate for medical practitioners to charge a fee for a medical certificate to support the assessment of a housing application; and whether the fee in question ought to be paid by the local authority notwithstanding the fact that Midlothian district council does not demand the production of a medical certificate.
  • General medical practitioners are free to charge fees for providing services out with their NHS terms and conditions of service and are under no obligation to provide medical certificates in connection with housing applications. I have in mind certain changes in the respective responsibilities of health boards and local authorities for meeting the cost of medical services related to local authority functions. My Department is about to open consultations with the Convention of Scottish Local Authorities and the other interests, but I see no prospect of making health boards responsible for the cost of any certificates which members of the public seek from their general practitioners in support of housing applications.

    Local Authorities (Staff)

    asked the Secretary of State for Scotland what estimates he has for the increase or decrease in local authority non-industrial staff and their salaries in the current year.

    I understand that the joint manpower watch report for the quarter ending June 1979 showed that, excluding manual staff, 6,453 more whole-time and part-time staff were employed in June 1979 than in June 1978.It is estimated that settlements already reached will increase expenditure on salaries payable to non-manual staff in the current financial year by just over 10 per cent. I cannot anticipate the outcome of negotiations yet to take place which may affect expenditure in the remaining part of the financial year.

    Tobacco Advertising

    asked the Secretary of State for Scotland if he intends to participate in the forthcoming round of negotiations with the tobacco industry on advertising and other matters.

    Yes. I have been actively involved in the Health Department's preparations and I will attend or be represented at the negotiations.

    Livingston New Town

    asked the Secretary of State for Scotland how much of the financial allocation for Lothian regional council has been channelled towards development in Livingston new town during the last five years; and if he will give details for the same period of the amount spent in Livingston new town on services provided by Lothian regional council.

    Teacher Training

    asked the Secretary of State for Scotland if he is considering proposals to merge or close any of the teacher training colleges in Scotland.

    Not at present, but in view of the continuing decline in the number of school pupils this question may have to be considered at some future date.

    Council Houses (Sale)

    asked the Secretary of State for Scotland if he will publish in the Official Report a table and explanation giving the detailed calculations and assumptions on which the statements as to the financial consequences of the sale of council houses on page iv of the explanatory and financial memorandum of the Tenants' Rights, Etc. (Scotland) Bill are based.

    The statements referred to explain the basis of the calculations, subject to the qualifications that are made. When the House comes to discuss the Bill I shall be ready to give further assistance to hon. Members.

    Housing (Argyll And Bute)

    asked the Secretary of State for Scotland if he will authorise the Scottish Special Housing Association to assist Argyll and Bute district council with its proposals to tackle the problems posed by its stock of older houses.

    Yes. In the light of the council's request for assistance, and having regard to the substantial number of houses in the district below the tolerable standard, I have authorised the Scottish Special Housing Association to build70 houses in Argyll and Bute as part of its redevelopment assistance programme.

    Brucellosis

    asked the Secretary of State for Scotland if he will make a statement on the progress which has been made in eradicating brucellosis from cattle in Scotland.

    I have decided to extend the present brucellosis attested area to cover the whole of Scotland with effect from 1 January 1980. To this end I have made the Brucellosis (Scotland) Order 1979, which will shortly be laid before Parliament. The order marks the successful conclusion of a 12–year campaign to eradicate brucellosis from cattle in Scotland. A campaign on this scale called for a high degree of co-operation by all concerned and I should like to take this opportunity to congratulate and thank all those connected with the Scottish livestock industry who have helped to attain this landmark in disease eradication.Now that brucellosis has been virtually eliminated in Scotland it will be all the more important to guard against its reintroduction. The order relaxes certain controls on the movement of cattle in Scotland, but the arrangements for the periodic monitoring of herds remain unchanged, as does my power to slaughter cattle on account of brucellosis, with payment of compensation.

    Northern Ireland

    Boundary Commission

    asked the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland (1) how many submissions were made to the Northern Ireland Boundary Commission during its current deliberations;(2) how many (

    a) political parties and ( b) other bodies were invited to make submissions to the Northern Ireland Boundary Commission in respect of its current deliberations; and, of these, how many in each case responded.

    These are matters for the Boundary Commission. The Commission is an independent body, and it is not for me to answer detailed questions about its current review.

    Gas Undertakings

    asked the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland (1) how many gas undertakings in Northern Ireland have indicated to the Department of Commerce that they intend to close down; and what assistance the Department of Commerce intends to give them to help in this process;(2) how many Northern Ireland gas undertakings have made an estimate of the cost of closure; and if he will publish this information, which has been supplied to the Department of Commerce.

    In my statement of 23 July I announced that the Government were prepared, in principle, to assist the orderly running down of those undertakings which could not continue unaided. Since then seven undertakings have advised the Department of Commerce of their intention to close but none of them has yet supplied detailed estimates of the costs involved. Discussions are proceeding with these undertakings on the preparation of detailed plans and precise costings for rundown.

    Psychogeriatric Patients

    asked the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland (1) how many places are available in Belfast for psychogeriatrics either in general or psychiatric hospitals;(2) how many places will be added to those already available in Belfast in respect of psychogeriatric patients; and what will be the locations of these future provisions and the number of places involved.

    Belfast forms part of the catchment area of Purdysburn psychiatric hospital which has 1,252 beds, of which 396 are designated specifically for the care of elderly patients. In addition, elderly confused patients suffering from other illnesses are admitted to and cared for in appropriate general hospital wards.About 28 to 30 beds at Belvoir Park hospital are to be adapted specifically for the care of mentally confused, elderly patients and the provision of a 36 bed purpose-built unit at the Throne hospital is at pre-planning stage. In addition, the Eastern Health and Social Services Board is examining the feasibility of adapting some existing facilities to the care of these patients.

    Housing Executive

    asked the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland if, in view of the present composition of the Northern Ireland Housing Executive, and past appointments to the Executive of Mr. J. W. Cushnahan, a representative of the Alliance Party, and Mr. E. K. McGrady, a representative of the Social Democratic and Labour Party to balance party representations, he will now appoint a Democratic Unionist to the board to re-establish the balance of representation.

    Prisoners (Insurance Records)

    asked the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland what arrangements can be made to protect pension rights and social security benefits of persons whose insurance records are worsened by a period of imprisonment; and if he proposes to make any change in these arrangements.

    Farm Incomes

    asked the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland if he will publish in the Official Report a table showing the income of farmers in Northern Ireland for each of the last five years for which the information is available, showing in real and actual terms the income from farms as specified in the groupings used to determine the annual management standards and also the total net income for farmers in Northern Ireland.

    [pursuant to his reply, 13 November 1979, c. 560…: Incomes of farmers according to farm type are estimated from a sample of farmers who co-operate in the Northern Ireland farms management survey. Because the composition of this sample changes from year to year, changes in the income of farmers is best shown by comparing the incomes of identical samples of farms in the survey in consecutive pairs of years. The following table shows the weighted average income of farmers in actual and

    NEN INCOME PER FARM IN NORTHERN IRELAND IN CURRENT MONEY TERMS BY TYPE OF FARM 1972–73 TO 1977–78
    TypeDairyingDairying, Pigs and PoultryMixedCattle and SheepCattle, Sheep and PigsPigs and PoultryAll Types
    £ per farm
    1972–733,1253,1602,9542,4572,4983,6832,915
    1973–742,5302,7812,4881,1172,3965,1942,393
    1973–742,8182,4942,7891,2512,5936,2182,572
    1974–752,2412,5102,0918861,8934,8312,111
    1974–752,2092,3572,7568921,7245,2722,224
    1975–765,6766,3098,0223,6635,47911,9345,989
    1975–765,3526,6228,1754,0006,29212,0685,861
    1976–776,4757,61610,0315,4155,96313,3477,098
    1976–776,7497,2649,2785,8826,3759,6027,092
    1977–787,08410,2315,7185,0154,57512,4366,436
    Net Farm Income excludes Breeding Livestock Appreciation.
    NET INCOME PER FARM IN NORTHERN IRELAND
    BY TYPE OF FARM 1972–73 TO 1977–78 IN REAL TERMS*
    (Base year equals 1975–76)
    TypeDairyingDairying, Pigs and PoultryMixedCattle and SheepCattle, Sheep and PigsPigs and PoultryAll Types
    £ per farm
    1972–735,0245,0804,7493,9504,0165,9214,686
    1973–743,7044,0723,6431,6353,5087,6053,504
    1973–744,1263,6524,0831,8323,7969,1043,766
    1974–752,7983,1342,6101,1062,3636,0312,635
    1974–752,7582,9433,4411,1142,1526,5822,777
    1975–765,6766,3098,0223,6635,47911,9345,989
    1975–765,3526,6228,1754,0006,29212,0685,861
    1976–775,6066,5948,6854,6885,16311,5566,145
    1976–775,8436,2898,0335,0935,5198,3136,140
    1977–785,3467,7224,3153,7853,4539,3864,857
    * Adjusted according to changes in the United Kingdom Index of Retail Prices.
    Net Farm Income excludes Breeding Livestock Appreciation.

    Suckling Cows

    asked the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland what has been the average net profit on a suckling cow in Northern Ireland in each of the last five years, and the estimate for 1979 where the cows were (a) on a less favoured area

    GROSS MARGINS FROM SUCKLER COWS IN LOWLAND AND LESS FAVOURED AREAS 1974–75 TO 1978–79 (for real terms base year=1975–76)
    LowlandLess Favoured Areas*
    Actual terms £/CowReal terms £/CowActual terms£/CowReal terms £/Cow
    1974–7537464050
    1975–7666666969
    1976–77‡988510389
    1977–78‡1047811385
    1978–79‡1238612386
    * Enterprises receiving hill livestock compensatory allowances (previously hill cow subsidies).
    † Adjusted according to changes in the United Kingdom index of retail prices.
    ‡ Breeding livestock appreciation is excluded.

    in real terms on specified types of farm in consecutive pairs of years between 1972–73 and 1977–78, the latest year for which figures are available.

    and ( b) on lowland farms, in both real and actual terms.

    [pursuant to his reply, 13 November 1979, c. 559…: It is not possible to allocate fixed costs to derive net profits from suckler cows. Gross margins which do not take account of fixed costs are given in the table.

    Data relating to 1979–80 are not available, but higher feed costs and reduced calf prices are expected to result in substantial reductions in the gross margin per cow in actual and real terms.

    De Lorean Car

    asked the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland what is the current form of the private financial contribution to De Lorean cars and the current value of (a) money already expended on research and (b) the cash contribution.

    [pursuant to his reply, 14 November 1979, c. 672…: The latest available figures for the De Lorean motor company and its subsidiaries show proceeds from sales of common stock and the capital contribution of partners amounting to approximately $11·2 million. In addition, some $6·9 million had been spent on research and development work before the formation of the present company, and an extra £15·5 million raised from private sources by the De Lorean research partnership has since been spent on the development of the DMC12 sports car.

    Defence

    Warsaw Pact Forces (Mobility)

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence what is his estimate of the length of time it would take the Warsaw Pact forces to reach the Channel should they mount a surprise attack on NATO.

    In the light of NATO's readiness, it is difficult to conceive of circumstances in which a surprise attack could successfully be mounted by the Soviet Union.

    V-Bomber Force

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence (1) if any decision has yet been taken regarding the future of the V-bomber force; and if he will make a statement;(2) by what method the proposed disbandment of the V-bomber force was on national security are in future made first to this House, preferably in the form of an oral statement.announced; and if he will ensure that all decisions which have a direct bearing

    The House has been informed about the planned replacement of the Vulcan force by the Tornado on a number of occasions.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence what is the average number of Great Britain's V-bomber force; and what estimate he has made of the cost of extending the structural fatigue life of the force until the early '90s, assuming that they would not be used in the low-level penetration role beyond the early '80s.

    It is not the practice to disclose numbers of operational aircraft. As regards the second part of my hon. Friend's question, the cost of extending the fatigue life of the Vulcan force, and the general refurbishment that would be required, would be in the region of £1 million per aircraft. This sum would be in addition to the high cost of updating that would also be needed for them to undertake a new role.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence what is the average age of the Vulcan aircraft of the Royal Air Force.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence if there is any purely technical reason that would rule out the Vulcan bomber as a potential cruise missile carrier.

    No; but very extensive and expensive updating and refurbishment would be required.

    Expenditure

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence if he will list in the Official ReportUnited Kingdom expenditure across the exchanges in 1977, 1978, 1979 and 1980 (estimated) on United Nations peacekeeping operations, the British Army of the Rhine, and other British naval, military or air force activities overseas, respectively, all figures being expressed in £ sterling equivalents.

    The balance of payments costs of British forces stationed overseas in the years 1977, 1978, 1979–80 are as follows:

    £ million

    British Forces Germany (Army plus RAF)

    British Forces in other areas

    1977–78 (final outturn)527146
    1978–79 (forecast outturn)596157
    1979–80 (estimated)661152

    An estimate for 1980–81 is not yet available. The figures quoted above represent only the initial incidence on the balance of payments and do not take into account offsetting factors arising from the presence of troops overseas instead of in the United Kingdom. The figures in the right-hand column include costs of the British contributions to United Nations peacekeeping forces but no separate estimate of this is available.

    Royal Fleet Auxiliary "Tabartness"

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence when work on converting Royal Fleet Auxiliary "Tabatness" for use by Royal Marine Commandos will be completed.

    The proposal to convert RFA Tarbatness for amphibious tasks in

    NATO COST-SHARING PIRCENTAGES
    InfrastructureMilitary BudgetCivil
    Nation15 Nation14 Nation15 Nation14 NationBudget
    Belgium4·605·302·953·562·86
    Denmark3·073·531·742·101·65
    France (See Note)13·1617·1017·10
    Germany21·8625·1716·1019·4216·10
    Greece0·660·760·390·470·39
    Iceland0·050·060·05
    Italy6·587·586·127·385·96
    Luxembourg0·170·200·090·110·09
    Netherlands4·234·872·943·552·85
    Norway2·592·981·201·451·15
    Portugal0·310·360·650·780·65
    Turkey1·101·271·651·991·65
    United Kingdom10·4212·0018·2221·9819·50
    Canada5·486·315·806·995·80
    USA25·7729·6725·0030·1624·20
    Totals100·00100·00100·00100·00100·00
    Note: France contributes only to certain NATO military systems and therefore infrastructure and the military budget are each divided into two elements.

    Ussr

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence by how many men and tanks the group of Soviet forces Germany has been increased since the start of the Vienna talks designed to achieve mutual balance force reduc-

    support of Royal Marine Commando forces is being reviewed in the light of increases in the estimated cost. A decision on whether to proceed with the conversion will be taken as soon as possible.

    North Atlantic Treaty Organisation

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence what is the basis for individual member nations' contributions to the North Atlantic Treaty Organisation common funding arrangements; and what are the current proportions paid by each member nation.

    There are three permanent common funding arrangements within NATO—infrastructure, the military budget and the civil budget. The basis of infrastructure cost sharing is related to ability to pay, modified to take account of benefit to the user and economic benefit to the host nation. There is no corresponding basis laid down for the cost sharing of the military and civil budgets, although abilityto pay was a major factor at the time the funding arrangements were first made. The present cost sharing percentages are set out in the following table:tions; and what percentage of overall Soviet force levels stationed in the German Democratic Republic represented by the recently proposed force reductions announced by President Brezhnev.

    We estimate that since the MBFR negotiations began in Vienna in 1973, the number of tanks in the group of Soviet forces Germany has increased by about 500. There has also been a small increase in the number of personnel.President Brezhnev's announced withdrawal of up to 20,000 men and 1,000 tanks from East Germany would represent a reduction of about 5 per cent. in manpower and 12·5 per cent. in tanks in the Soviet forces stationed in that country.

    Baor

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence whether he will give for the longest and most convenient period of time, either on an annual or cumulative basis, the costs of the British forces in Germany; to what extent Germany has contributed towards the costs; and how far these payments have fallen short of their agreed payments towards these costs.

    [pursuant to his reply, 12 November 1979, c. 427…: Three of the figures quoted showed the forecast outturn, whereas final outturn figures are available. The up-to-date figures are:

    Foreign exchange costs
    £M
    1975–76405
    1976–77513
    1977–78527

    Royal Marine Command

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence on how many exercises HMS "Bulwark" has been used by Royal Marine Command since her recommissioning.

    Recruitment

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence what is the percentage of recruits rejected by the Royal Navy, Royal Marines, Army and Royal Air Force, respectively, during their first six months of training.

    The following table shows the percentages of Service personnel recruited in the financial year 1977–78 who were discharged during their first six months of service, in the main while they were still under training:

    Royal Navy2·6%
    Royal Marines9·1%
    Army5·1%
    Royal Air Force2·4%
    All Services4·3%
    The corresponding figures for Service personnel recruited in the financial year 1978–79 are not yet available.

    Defence Lands Committee

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence if he will list those recommendations of the Defence Lands Committee which have not yet been implemented in full and which it is still intended to act upon.

    It is still intended to implement the following recommendations of the Defence Lands Committee:Christchurch (Steamer Point), Dorset (p. 190 paragraph 5a).Dover/Folkestone Complex, Kent (p. 215 paragraph 18b).Cranwell, Lincolnshire (p. 228 paragraph 6).Otterburn, Northumberland (p. 244 paragraph 6e).Ollerton (Dukeries), Nottinghamshire (p. 250 paragraph 9).Wrekin, Shropshire (p. 258 paragraph 5).Yoxter, Somerset (p. 262 paragraph 5b).Orfordness, Suffolk (p. 272 paragraph 5).Kenley, Surrey (p. 278 paragraph 8c).Pershore, Hereford and Worcestershire (p. 303 paragraph 3).Manorbier, Dyfed (p. 354 paragraph 6d).Eastriggs, Dumfries (p. 361 paragraph 4).Rosneath, Dunbartonshire (p. 364 paragraph 3c).Edinburgh (Dreghorn and Castlelaw Hill), Midlothian (p. 375–6 paragraphs 24b, c, d, g. h and i).Dungiven, Co. Londonderry (p. 387 paragraph 5b).General recommendations Nos. 9, 10, 12, 14 and 15 on pages 5 and 6 of the report have been partially implemented but more work remains to be done.Page and paragraph numbers relate to the Defence Lands Committee's report.