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Volume 7: debated on Wednesday 1 July 1981

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Written Answers To Questions

Wednesday 1 July 1981

Energy

Central Electricity Generating Board

asked the Secretary of State for Energy what proportion of capital expenditure by the Central Electricity Generating Board was covered by retained income in (a) 1970 and (b) 1980.

I am advised by the CEGB that the proportion of its capital expenditure covered by retained income—the self-financing ratio—was 63·1 per cent. in 1969–70 and 55·7 per cent. in 1979–80. Corresponding figures for the electricity supply industry, which includes the 12 area boards as well as the CEGB, are 77·4 per cent. in 1969–70 and 81·5 per cent. in 1979–80.Figures for the individual years are given in the CEGB's statistical year book and in annual reports of the Electricity Council. Copies of these documents are available in the Library of the House.

National Nuclear Corporation (Chairman)

asked the Secretary of State for Energy whether he will announce who is to take up the chairmanship of the National Nuclear Corporation.

I am pleased to announce that Mr. Frank Gibb, who is currently deputy chairman of the National Nuclear Corporation is to take up the chairmanship. His appointment, which comes into effect today, is on a part-time basis.

Pressurised Water Reactor

asked the Secretary of State for Energy whether he will make a statement on progress with the pressurised water reactor design.

I am anxious that work on the development of the design for the first British pressurised water reactor should proceed as quickly as possible, consistent with fully meeting United Kingdom safety requirements. The Government also wish to see more use made of the advice and experience on PWR technology available front Bechtel, Westinghouse and the United Kingdom Atomic Energy Authority.The project has now reached a point where many complicated and technical decisions must be made. In the light both of this and of my wish to see rapid progress, the National Nuclear Corporation and the Central Electricity Generating Board have advised me that a joint task force should be established, combining the resources of NNC, CEGB and UKAEA. Dr. Walter Marshall, chairman of the UKAEA, will act as chairman of the task force.I welcome this proposal and will look to the task force to ensure that firm design proposals are developed as soon as possible for endorsement by the CEGB and NNC boards, and that more use is made of the advice of Bechtel and Westinghouse. I have asked Dr. Marshall to keep me fully informed on progress on the design.

Trade

Seamen (Accidents)

asked the Secretary of State for Trade how many seafarers employed on United Kingdom registered ships died as a result of falling from aloft for each year since 1975; what were their ages and category of employment; what incidence of death per 100,000 at risk they represented; and what investigations and actions the Government have taken to reduce such accidents.

The number of deaths recorded by the registrar of shipping and seamen resulting from falls from aloft on board merchant ships registered in the United Kingdom were:

No.Estimated number of Seamen at risk ('000s)Incidence per 100,000
197571086·5
197641033·9
197795
19783883·4
19794824·9
Statistics for 1980 are not yet available.The ages and categories of the seafarers concerned are not at present separately recorded, but will be when the accident reporting system mentioned below comes into force.The occupational safety of seafarers at work was comprehensively studied by the steering committee on the safety of merchant seamen at work which the Department of Trade convened and which reported in 1978.The committee did not comment specifically upon falls from aloft, but some of its work and several of its recommendations applied to accidents of that type.The committee produced the "Code of Safe Working Practices for Seamen", which is now statutorily required to be carried on all United Kingdom merchant ships and to be easily accessible to the crew. It includes a chapter on working aloft and outboard. Similarly the booklet "Personal Safety on Ships", which is issued free of charge to individual seafarers, also includes a section on the subject.The Department is introducing several sets of regulations on the advice of the committee, three of which will be relevant to this type of accident. First, proposed regulations for protective clothing and equipment will require provision and use of safety harness and lifelines for all work aloft. Secondly, regulations will require the appointment of accident prevention officers on board and provision for the election of safety officers. Thirdly, accident reporting regulations will require all accidents involving three days or more incapacity to be reported. Falls from aloft are separately distinguished on the proposed accident report form.

Air Traffic Control (Alternative Facilities)

asked the Secretary of State for Trade whether, in view of the present failure of air traffic control facilities, he will ask the British Airports Authority and the Civil Aviation Authority to invite tenders for alternative provision for such facilities.

Though I naturally regret the inconvenience caused to the travelling public and the airlines by the current industrial dispute, I do not accept that our air traffic control facilities have failed. Accordingly, we are not contemplating inviting tenders for alternative provisions of air traffic services.

Tenerife Air Crash

asked the Secretary of State for Trade if the accidents investigation branch will be entering any caveats to the report of the Spanish aviation authorities on the crash of the Dan Air Boeing 727 at Tenerife on 25 April 1980; what further discussions are taking place between the British and Spanish authorities about the report; and if he will make a statement.

Fatalities
DateAircraftOperatorPassengersCrew
14 May 1977Boeing 707Dan AirCargo Flight5+1*
Transmeridian Air
2 September 1977CL 44CargoCargo Flight4
31 July 1979HS 748Dan Air152
16 February 1980BrittaniaRedcoat Air CargoCargo Flight5+2*
25 April 1980Boeing 727Dan Air1388
26 June 1981HS 748Dan AirCargo Flight3
* Supernumerary company staff.

Copyright (Green Paper)

asked the Secretary of State for Trade when he expects to publish the Green Paper on copyright.

Work on the Green Paper on copyright and related topics is now complete and I expect to publish it in the middle of this month. It will be entitled "Reform of the Law relating to Copyright Designs and Performers Protection—A Consulative Document."

Roadside Advertising Services (Monopolies And Mergers Commission Report)

asked the Secretary of State for Trade when he intends to publish the report of the Monopolies and Mergers Commission on roadside advertising services; and whether he will make a statement.

My right hon. Friend received the report on 8 May. It is being published today. The commission has found scale and complex monopoly situations to exist in favour of British Posters Limited and its 10 member companies, and has concluded that monopoly situations operate and may be expected to operate against the public interest, in that:

  • (1) they have led to a higher level of prices and to a more consistent approach in pricing strategy among members than would have obtained in a more competitive market; and hence contributed to the very high level of profitability;
  • (2) the discouragement of the sale of "pool" panels
  • The comments of the United Kingdom accredited representative who participated in the Spanish investigation have been attached to the report by the Spanish aviation authorities on the crash of the Dan Air Boeing 727 at Tenerife on 25 April 1980 which I have now received. United Kingdom and Spanish authorities have today discussed the comments made by the United Kingdom accredited representative and a date for the synchronous publication of the report. No statement will be made until the report is published.

    Commercial Aircraft (Fatal Accidents)

    asked the Secretary of State for Trade whether he will list the fatal accidents to aircraft on the United Kingdom commercial register, other than third party accidents from 1 January 1977 to date, stating in each case the numbers of fatalities and the name of the airline operator involved.

    Following is the information:to Independent Poster Sales Limited has strengthened the position of British Posters and its members and restricted competition, to the detriment of other companies and the public interest;(3) they have inhibited the adjustment of British Posters Limited's pre-selected campaigns in composition and flexibility to meet the requirements of clients.The commission has also found that a complex monopoly situation exists in favour of the members of the British Poster Advertising Association and the Solus Outdoor Advertising Association Limited, by virtue of the operation of certain agreed standards of conduct. It has concluded that this complex monopoly, in the form in which it existed at the time of the reference, operated against the public interest in that the standards of conduct, which provided that members of the associations should not bid or negotiate for, or interfere with, sites occupied by a fellow member of either association, substantially restricted competition between contractors in the acquisition of new sites. The wording and the interpretation of the standards were substantially changed in March 1980. However, the commission considers that though the practical effects of the revised version of the standards are not yet clear, the wording is so imprecise and obscure as to make the provision open to abuse and, in its view, likely to have some effect in restricting competition.In making recommendations as to what action should be taken for the purpose of remedying or preventing the adverse effects it had identified, the commission noted that certain of these adverse effects arose from the existence of British Posters in its present form. It was satisfied that it would not be possible to amend its constitution whilst retaining its existing membership, or a broadly similar membership, without retaining the substance of these adverse effects. This was because the width of the present membership ensured that it must be the dominant supplier of pre-selected campaigns—campaigns or packages made up by contractors in advance of inquiries by customers and sold as a block. It considered, moreover, that a joint selling organisation of this kind could not operate efficiently and economically unless information on, and views of, the state and prospects of the market and on selling and promotion policies were exchanged between its member companies, covering a very large part of the total market. The commission considered that this exchange must influence the commercial practices both of British Posters and of its members, including the general level at which prices are set. It said that the most significant detriments to competition in the present structure of the industry derived from the fact that both the largest companies were members of British Posters.The commission has recommended, in the light of these considerations and of the adverse effects which it has identified, that British Posters Limited should cease to exist and should not be reformed. It has indicated ways in which, in its view, buyers might, in the event of British Posters ceasing to exist, obtain, and suppliers be able to offer, packages of sites without giving rise to adverse effects on competition and on the public interest.On the standards of conduct of the association, the commission doubts the need for any agreed standard simply intended to commit members to abide by the law; that is, to ensure that a member does not induce a site owner to breach his contract with another member. However, the commission considers that if a standard does remain, its wording should be clear and precise on this point.I welcome this important report by the commission and I accept its recommendation that British Posters should cease to exist and should not be reformed. The Government will be considering urgently the best means of achieving this and will, if necessary, be ready to make an order under the Fair Trading Act 1973. With regard to the standards of conduct of the two trade associations, I am asking the Director General of Fair Trading to seek an undertaking from the associations that they will delete and not reintroduce the clause requiring members not to bid or negotiate for or interfere with any site in the physical occupation of another member where the other member has a valid agreement in respect of the site and no legal notice finally terminating that agreement has been given to the other member.

    Northern Ireland

    Prevention Of Terrorism Act 1974

    asked the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland how many of the 49 persons charged under section 11 of the Prevention of Terrorism Act between 29 November 1974 and 31 December 1980 were subsequently convicted; and what sentences they received.

    During the period in question, 50 persons were charged under section 11 of the Prevention of Terrorism (Temporary Provisions) Act 1976. In the case of two of them, the charge was withdrawn at the trial stage, four still await trial, six were acquitted and 13 convicted.

    In the other 25 cases the original charge was not proceeded with, but in 11 of those cases charges under section 10(2) of the Prevention of Terrorism (Temporary Provisions) Act 1976 or section 5(1) of the Criminal Law Act (Northern Ireland) 1967 were substituted. Three of those resulted in acquittal and eight in conviction.

    The 21 persons convicted received sentences as follows:

    Imprisonment3
    Imprisonment (suspended)10
    Bound over3
    Conditional discharge4
    Absolute discharge1

    The terms of imprisonment, suspended or not, ranged from three months to five years.

    Escaped Prisoners

    asked the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland, following the appearance of Mr. Gee, who escaped from Her Majesty's prison, Crumlin Road, Belfast on 10 June at a Provisional Sinn Fein Wolfe Tone commemoration platform at Bodenstown in the Irish Republic on 21 June, what steps he is now taking, consequent upon his reply to the right hon. Member for Mansfield (Mr. Concannon) on 11 June, Official Report, column 556, that he believed that the authorities in the Irish Republic would assist in their return to Northern Ireland to hear judgment.

    I understand that Paul Patrick Magee one of the prisoners who escaped from Belfast Prison on 10 June, appeared at a rally at Bodenstown, County Kildare in the Republic of Ireland on 21 June. All necessary legal steps have been taken to secure the arrests of the escapers. I would also remind the hon. Gentleman that to escape from lawful custody in Northern Ireland following charging or conviction for certain specified offences, including those for which seven of the escapers had been convicted and the other had been charged, is an offence under the Republic of Ireland's Criminal Law (Jurisdiction) Act 1976.

    Gas Industry

    asked the Secretary of Stare for Northern Ireland if he will make a statement about the involvement of Coopers and Lybrand and W. S. Atkins and Partners in the present reassessment of the future of the Northern Ireland gas industry.

    As part of the further studies into a supply of Kinsale gas to Northern Ireland which I announced on 12 June, it is necessary to obtain firmer information about the potential market for natural gas in Northern Ireland and about the engineering aspects of a possible pipeline. Messrs. Coopers and Lybrand and the W. S. Atkins group have been retained by the Department of Commerce to undertake these respective assignments.

    Maze Prison

    asked the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland whether he will place in the Library his press statement made on 30 June about the regime at Her Majesty's prison, Maze.

    Security (Statistics)

    asked the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland whether he will publish security statistics for the first part of 1981.

    It is my intention to publish security statistics every six months. As figures for the first half of 1981 are not yet available, I am, exceptionally, publishing figures for the five months January to May 1981. Following is the information:

    Statistics On Security

    PART I— Statistics of Terrorist Activity

    • Yearly totals for 1971 to 1980
    • Quarterly total for the first quarter of 1981
    • + Provisional statistics for April/May 1981

    Statistics for terrorist activity comprise the following:

  • (i) Number of shooting incidents
  • (ii) Number of explosions
  • Statistics on Security Part I

    Yearly Figures

    1971

    1972

    1973

    1974

    1975

    1976

    1977

    Shooting Incidents1,75610,6285,0183,2061,8031,9081,081
    Explosions1,0221,382978685399766366
    Bombs Neutralised493471542428236426169
    Weight of Explosives (in lbs)*
    In explosions10,97247,46247,47246,43513,75317,5962,839
    Neutralised3,00119,97832,45027,09411,15916,2522,188
    Armed Robberies4371,9311,2151,2311,201813591
    Amount Stolen £303,787790,687612,015572,951572,105545,497446,988
    Malicious Fires†587636248453432
    Deaths: Civilians†11532217116621624569
    (Sectarian, interfactional and intrafactional assassinations shown in brackets)(122)(87)(95)(144)(121)(42)
    Deaths: Army/UDR481296635202929
    Deaths: RUC/RUC'R'11171315112314
    Injuries: Civilians1,8383,8131,8121,6802,0442,1621,027
    Injuries: Army/UDR390578548483167264188
    Injuries: RUC/RUC'R'315485291235263303183

    * Estimated weight only

    † Consolidated figures not available for earlier years

    Statistics on Security Part I

    Yearly Figures

    1981

    1978

    1979

    1980

    January-March

    April and May

    Shooting Incidents75572864288243
    Explosions45542228061143
    Bombs Neutralised1781421202716
    Weight of Explosives (in lbs)*
    In explosions5,34311,180·759,0591,138·891,067·61
    Neutralised5,860·54,530·56,404·81,884·80227·07
    Armed Robberies43943441215950
    Amount Stolen £232,650568,359496,829194,62349,220
    Malicious Fires†26931527561
    Deaths: Civilians†505150616
    (Sectarian, interfactional and intrafactional assassinations shown in brackets)(14)(33)(27)(4)(4)
    Deaths: Army/UDR21481659
    Deaths: RUC/RUC 'R'1014946
    Injuries: Civilians54855551397313

  • (iii) Number of bombs and devices neutralized
  • (iv) Weight of explosives in bombs and devices neutralised
  • (v) Number of malicious fires
  • (vi) Number of armed robberies and amount stolen
  • (vii) Number of deaths and injuries of RUC/RUC'R', Army and civilians (including sectarian, interfactional and intra-factional assassinations).
  • Part II— Statistics of Security Forces' Activity

    • Yearly totals for 1971 to 1980
    • Quarterly total for the first quarter of 1981
    • + Provisional statistics for April/May 1981

    Statistics for Security Forces' activity comprise the following:

  • (i) Number of houses searched
  • (ii) Number of weapons, pounds of explosives and rounds of ammunition found
  • (iii) Number of people charged with serious security type offences: (murder, attempted murder, explosives offences, firearms offences, armed robbery and other offences relating to the security situation, eg arson, membership of illegal organisations, etc.).
  • Yearly Figures

    1981

    1978

    1979

    1980

    January-March

    April and May

    Injuries: Army/UDR135153771436
    Injuries: RUC/RUC 'R'30216519463120

    * Estimated Weight only

    † Consolidated figures not available for earlier years
    ‡ Not yet available

    Statistics on Security Part II

    Yearly Figures

    1971

    1972

    1973

    1974

    1975

    1976

    1977

    1978

    Houses searched (2)17,26236,61774,55671,91430,09234,93920,72415,462
    Finds: Firearms7171,2641,5951,260825837590400
    Finds: Ammunition (rds)157,994183.410187,399147,20273,60470,30652,09143,512
    Finds: Explosives (lbs.)2,74841,48838,41826,12011,56521,7143,8092,108

    Persons charged with serious security type ofences (1) 31 July—31 Dec

    1972

    1973

    1974

    1975

    1976

    1977

    1978

    Murder13717513812013160
    Attempted Murder1685758812113579
    Firearms Offences242631544460353301225
    Explosive Offences8623616110021514679
    Theft Act111186232314188203151
    Other6320527597279392249
    Total5311,4141,3621,1971,2761,308843
    (1) These figures are not available in consolidated form for earlier years.
    (2) Includes occupied and unoccupied houses searched.

    Statistics on Security Part II

    Yearly Figures

    1981

    1979

    1980

    January-March 1981

    April and May 1981

    Houses searched†6,4524,106321781
    Finds: Firearms3012037769
    Finds: Ammunition (Rds)46,28028,0789,1137,377
    Finds: Explosives (Lbs)1,996·251,8101,904·5418·2
    † Includes occupied and unoccupied houses searched.

    Persons charged with serious security type offences*

    1979

    1980

    January-March 1981

    April and May 1981

    Murder4563132
    Attempted Murder39592018
    Firearms Offences1771122219
    Explosives Offences4039127
    Theft Act1591286318
    Other21014921194
    Total670550151258

    * These figures are not available in consolidated form for earlier years.

    National Finance

    Public Expenditure

    asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer (1) if he will publish a table in the Official Report showing total public expenditure, including capital formation, as a percentage of gross domestic product for the years 1960–61 to date;(2) If he will publish a table in the

    Official Report showing public expenditure broken down by capital account and revenue account for the years 1960–61 to date;

    (3) if he will publish a table in the Official Report showing general Government final consumption as a percentage of total public expenditure for the years 1960–61 to date.

    Figures for the public expenditure "planning total" are not readily available for the years before 1974–75 and a breakdown between expenditure on capital account and current account is not available for any year. Figures for general Government expenditure, from which the planning total is derived, are available for 1961–62 onwards. The relationship between general Government expenditure and the public expenditure planning total is shown in Table 2.4 of "Financial Statistics".The following table shows the public expenditure planning total, in the years for which this information is available, and general Government expenditure as a percentage of gross domestic product at market prices; and the percentage of general Government expenditure accounted for by current expenditure, within which final consumption is shown separately, and expenditure on capital account. Table 2.4 of "Financial Statistics" will include figures for 1980–81 in the July issue.

    PUBLIC SPENDING(*)
    Public expenditure planning total(†) as % of GDP at market pricesGENERAL GOVERNMENT EXPENDITURE(‡)
    Total
    Current Account
    as % of GDP at market pricesTotal(of which final consumption)Capital account(‡)
    £mas % of column(3)
    (1)(2)(3)(4)(5)(6)
    1961–6236·39,97983·046·417·0
    1962–6336·010,38184·047·516·0
    1963–6436·411,33182·246·017·8
    1964–6536·212,24980·145·319·9
    1965–6637·613,60580·545·119·5
    1966–6739·015,04979·344·720·7
    1967–6842·817,44976·642·223·4
    1968–6941·318,24278·742·321·3
    1969–7040·819,32578·242·021·8
    1970–7141·221,57977·743·222·3
    1971–7241·324,31678·843·921·2
    1972–7341·627,55979·243·920·8
    1973–7443·431,98980·443·419·6
    1974–7546·448·742,81679·542·820·5
    1975–7646·548·953,88181·344·618·7
    1976–7744·846·459,44185·346·014·7
    1977–7840·742·963,62489·847·410·2
    1978–7941·644·274,28488·245·511·8
    1979–8041·444·689,03988·545·311·5
    (*) Includes non-trading Government capital consumption, to be comparable with GDP at market prices.
    (†) Including net payments of debt interest (as in Table 1·2 of Cmnd 8175).

    (‡) Including net lending and net expenditure on acquiring company securities.

    Source: derived from the national accounts.

    North Sea Oil

    asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer what are his estimates of the percentage of value of oil produced from the Scottish sector of the North Sea which he has received by way of royalties, petroleum revenue tax and corporation tax.

    The United Kingdom continental shelf is not divided into sectors. It would in any case be impracticable to allocate North Sea revenues to any particular geographical area.

    Paye System (Pensions)

    asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer if the Government still intend to introduce arrangements for bringing State retirement pensions into the PAYE system from April 1982; and, if so, what consultation has taken place with organisations representing pensioners about the need for information and publicity for these changes.

    Civil Service Dispute

    asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer what effect have the delays in payments of value added tax and pay-as-you-earn, due to the Civil Service dispute, each had on the Revenue; and what has been the cost in interest charges on the extra borrowing.

    I shall let the right hon. Member have a reply as soon as possible.

    Value Added Tax (Secondhand Goods)

    asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer what goods are currently subject to special value added tax schemes for secondhand goods; whether the review of their operation announced by the Minister of State, Treasury on 17 April 1980 has been completed; and if he will make a statement.

    Secondhand schemes currently apply to cars, motor cycles, caravans, boats and outboard motors, aircraft, electronic organs, works of art, antiques and collectors' pieces. The whole area of the operation of the secondhand schemes has been carefully considered in the light of comments from interested bodies. Reactions to the current mechanism for providing relief were generally favourable and I do not therefore propose any alteration in the basic method of charging VAT on the margin. Some adverse comment was received about the extent and nature of the record-keeping requirements for the schemes. However, I am satisfied that the current requirements are necessary to prevent evasion and abuse and should therefore be retained.As regards the scope of the schemes, many representations for relief were received. Candidates for relief should be able to satisfy two criteria, namely a demonstrable distortion of trade due to the application of VAT, and a scheme which is capable of being easily and effectively controlled by Customs and Excise. Only one body to date, that dealing with the trade in secondhand guns, has presented evidence which clearly meets these requirements. I have therefore decided that a special scheme should be introduced for firearms later this year.

    Low Paid Persons (Taxation)

    asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer if he will list the measures taken by the Government since entering office to ease the tax burden on the low paid and to help eliminate the poverty trap.

    [pursuant to his reply, 29 June 1981,c. 249.]: As regards the poverty trap, I would refer the hon. Member to the reply given by my right hon. Friend the Secretary of State for Social Services to the hon. Member for Wolverhampton, North-East (Mrs. Short)—[Vol. 3, c. 58–60]. The position of the low paid was substantially improved by the income tax changes in the 1979 Budget. It has also been improved by a number of changes in the social security field, particularly the increases in family income supplement and one-parent benefit.Further improvements in the position of the low paid depend largely on securing reductions in inflation and the restoration of a strong economy, which are the objectives of the Government's economic strategy.

    Oil And Gas Production (Tax Take)

    asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer (1) if he will give figures for the United Kingdom's tax take to date in the North Sea for the United Kingdom continental shelf oil and gas production as a percentage of (a) gross turnover of oil and gas and (b) profits recorded by the operating company;(2) if he will provide, in respect of oil and gas takes for the United Kingdom continental shelf, estimates for

    (a) the tax take in 1981–82 as a percentage of gross turnover, (b) the tax take for the period 1982 to 1985 as a percentage of gross turnover, (c) the tax take for the period 1981–82 as a percentage of estimated profits and (d) the tax take for the period 1982 to 1985 as a percentage of estimated profits.

    [pursuant to his reply, 23 June 1981, c. 61]: It is estimated that the tax take, including royalties, from North Sea oil and gas production was about 35 per cent. of gross turnover in the period 1970–71 to 1980–81 inclusive and will be about 45 per cent. of gross turnover in each of the years 1981–82, 1982–83 and 1983–84. It would not be possible to express the take from royalties, PRT and CT as a percentage of the companies' North Sea profits. The profit recorded by the operating companies in their accounts may include profits from activities other than North Sea oil production and the cost of development fields not yet in production may be set off against the profits from producing fields. Since profits are calculated in different ways for each tax, the profits returned by the companies for each tax will vary according to the tax for which the return is made and will in any case differ from the measure of profits shown in the accounts.

    Civil Service

    Manpower

    59.

    asked the Minister for the Civil Service what is the latest figure of the numbers of industrial and non-industrial civil servants.

    At 1 April 1981, there were 689,600 staff in post—539,900 non-industrial and 149,700 industrial. There has thus been a reduction of 5,500 since 1 January 1981 and 42,700 since 1 April 1979.

    Dispute

    60.

    asked the Minister for the Civil Service whether she will ensure that as from 1 July all costs of the Civil Service strike, including lost interest, will be subtracted from the cash limits and any pay offer reduced accordingly.

    The present Civil Service dispute does not alter the requirement for all Departments, including my own, to keep within the cash limits for 1981–82 which we have already announced. As my right hon. and noble Friend indicated on 29 June, if the industrial action continues the Government obviously will have to consider what further response they should make, including reconsideration of the operative date of the present pay offer.

    62.

    asked the Minister for the Civil Service if she will make a statement on the Civil Service strike.

    63.

    asked the Minister for the Civil Service whether she will make a statement about the Civil Service pay dispute.

    asked the Minister for the Civil Service (1) how many civil servants in total have been on strike during the current pay dispute;(2) how many working days have been lost during the Civil Service pay dispute.

    Between 9 March and 26 June 1981, both dates inclusive, about 800,000 non-industrial man days have been lost due to industrial action in the Civil Service pay dispute.Of this total, about 308,000 man days are accounted for by selective strike action, in which an overall average of some 3,900 staff have been on strike each day; and the remainder is accounted for by short-term "protest" action, including a one-day strike on 9 March by about 273,000 staff and half-day strikes on 1 and 14 April involving, respectively, about 106,000 and about 250,000 staff.

    Industrial Relations

    61.

    asked the Minister for the Civil Service when she next expects to meet representatives of the Civil Service unions to discuss industrial relations.

    No meeting is planned, but I am ready to meet the Civil Service unions whenever we and they have something useful to discuss.

    Civil Servants (Hospitality)

    asked the Minister for the Civil Service, in the light of the fact that at the meeting of the shareholders of BAT Industries Limited, the chairman announced that sums of shareholders' money had been used to entertain civil servants at the Wimbledon tennis championships so as to maintain good and essential relationships, on what basis civil servants have been allowed to accept such hospitality; and whether he will give for the longest and most convenient stated period of time the numbers and names of such civil servants who have accepted such entertainment and hospitality.

    The rules governing the acceptance of hospitality by civil servants are laid down in paragraphs 9882–9893 of the Civil Service pay and conditions of service code, a copy of which is in the Library. Information about individuals who accept hospitality is not held centrally.

    Civil Service Department (White Paper)

    asked the Minister for the Civil Service if she will now publish the White Paper promised in Cmnd. 8170.

    A White Paper is being published today reporting on progress in recent years in seeking greater efficiency in the Civil Service and more value for the taxpayer in the work which it does.The White Paper makes it clear that there is still much to be done. Moreover, the pay dispute has occasioned immediate disruption to some services, and brought with it a loss of morale and of public confidence. All this will take time to repair. But the Government remain firmly committed to pursue the measures and policies outlined in the White Paper; they regard them as essential in the public interest.

    Overseas Development

    Banaba Island

    asked the Lord Privy Seal what is the present condition of power and mechanical plant left on Banaba Island by the British Phosphate Commissioners in January 1981.

    Latest available information indicates that the power station plant is being well maintained and has been properly protected. The condition of the cantilever and other mechanical equipment is poor.

    asked the Lord Privy Seal what would be the net cost involved in the agriculture and fisheries development option for Banaba Island as set out in the Banaba Island resources survey final report published by the Overseas Development Administration in April 1981.

    The consultants have estimated that the net costs to the Kiribati Government would total A$904,054 for years one and two, followed by an annual surplus thereafter of A$61,773. The costs to the Rabi Council of Leaders would be A$790,000 in year one, an annual average of A$262,000 for the next three years and about A$189,000 annually thereafter.

    asked the Lord Privy Seal what would be the net cost involved in the subsistence option for Banaba Island as set out in the Banaba Island resources survey final report published by the Overseas Development Administration in April 1981.

    The consultants estimated the overall net costs to the Kiribati Government and the Rabi Council of Leaders as follows:

    Year 1 A$Year 2 A$Annually thereafter A$
    Kiribati Government135,800896,40017,200
    Rabi Council of Leaders184,35084,35084,350

    asked the Lord Privy Seal what would be the net cost involved in the mining option for Banaba Island as set out in the Banaba island resources survey final report published by the Overseas Development Administration in April 1981.

    The consultants estimated that over the seven years of mining there would be an operational loss of A$3·3 million to be shared by the Kiribati Government and the Rabi Council of Leaders. The net costs to the Kiribati Government and the Rabi council over this period would be A$365,000 and A$1,704,000 respectively.

    Kiribati, Solomon Islands And Tuvalu

    asked the Lord Privy Seal what grants in aid and loans have been made by Her Majesty's Government to Kiribati, Solomon Islands and Tuvalu in each of the years 1978, 1979 and 1980 and have been agreed for 1981 and any subsequent years, shown separately, in (i) money terms, (ii) on a per capita basis and (iii) as a proportion of gross national product.

    Prime Minister

    Merseyside

    asked the Prime Minister if she has received a telegram from Merseyside civic leaders making representations about her attitude to the problems of Merseyside and asking her to visit Merseyside; and what reply she has sent.

    I received a telegram from the leader of Merseyside county council to which I replied on 26 June.

    European Community (Luxembourg Meeting)

    asked the Prime Minister if she will make a statement on the Luxembourg meeting of European Economic Community Ministers, held during the week ending 19 June, to discuss the future of the Community's 8½ million jobless people.

    I refer the hon. Member to the reply given to the hon. Member for Islington, Central (Mr. Grant) by my hon. Friend the Under-Secretary of State for Employment on 19 June 1981 [Vol. 6, c. 314–315].

    Tuc (Meetings)

    asked the Prime Minister whether she will list the occasions and dates since 9 January 1980 when she has met official representatives of the Trades Union Congress at a formal meeting to discuss policy issues, excluding meetings with Civil Service unions to discuss Whitley conditions; and whether there has been any occasion when she has refused to meet a Trades Union Congress deputation after the congress had officially requested one.

    I met the Trades Union Congress General Council on 14 October 1980, and I chaired the National Economic Development Council on 4 February 1981. I have not received any other official request from the congress for a meeting with a TUC deputation in this period.

    House Of Commons

    Members Of Staff (Advertising Material)

    asked the right hon. Member for Middlesbrough, as representing the House of Commons Commission, why staff of the House were recently sent circulars about a scheme run by BUPA with their pay advice; and whether, in future, the Commission will exclude advertising material from such communications.

    This action was in accordance with an arrangement which originated in 1970. I have arranged for the matter to be considered by the Commission.

    Home Department

    Richmond (Byelaws)

    64.

    asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department why his Department has failed to answer the request from the Richmond-upon-Thames council in early May for advice on revisions to byelaws in Richmond; and if he will make a statement.

    Richmond-upon-Thames council wrote to the Department in early May with a draft series of byelaws to regulate commons and a draft series to regulate parks and open spaces in the borough. A number of the proposals raised difficult questions of drafting and powers which needed time for their consideration. We have now sent the council comments on the draft byelaws for commons and hope to send comments on the byelaws for parks and open spaces shortly.

    Royal Residences (Security)

    asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department if he will make a statement on the recent incident when three tourists climbed the wall into Buckingham Palace gardens and spent the night there; and if he is satisfied that arrangements for safeguarding Her Majesty The Queen's residence in London are in all respects adequate to ensure the safety of those who live there.

    I refer my hon. Friend to the reply I gave to a question by my hon. Friend the Member for Welwyn and Hatfield (Mr. Murphy) on 30 June.

    Oil Rig Personnel

    asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department what procedures are adopted by his Department for the registration of foreign nationals employed on oil rigs working on the United Kingdom Continental Shelf; and whether these are the same as those operated in 1979.

    Immigration

    asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department how many parents of legitimate United Kingdom residents have been stopped by immigration officers on visits to their children in each of the last five years.

    Metropolitan Police

    asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department how many applications to join the Metropolitan Police were received in each of the last five years from members of ethnic minorities; and what proportion of these was accepted.

    It is not possible at the application stage to distinguish applicants from the ethnic minorities. In each of the last five years the number of successful applicants from the ethnic minorities and the number who actually became recruits were as follows:

    Recruitment to the Metropolitan Police from the ethnic minorities
    YearSuccessful applicantsRecruits
    19764323
    19772716
    1978199
    19792014
    19803322

    Fourth Television Channel

    asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department what is the total cost of the capital works which have already been carried out or which are committed for the immediate future in respect of the fourth television channel.

    As of 1 June 1981, the IBA had paid about £7½ million for engineering works in respect of the fourth television channel, and it had outstanding contractual commitments of some £19·8 million.

    Albany Prison (Attempted Escape)

    asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department if he will make a statement on the recent attempted escape from Albany prison, Isle of Wight.

    On 8 June three prisoners attempted to escape from Albany prison. They gained unauthorised access to the grounds where staff apprehended them as they were attempting to scale the inner fence. The governor has inquired into the circumstances of the incident and my right hon. Friend is satisfied that the arrangements for ensuring the security of the perimeter of the prison worked effectively and that they were fully adequate to frustrate the attempted escape.

    Harmondsworth Detention Centre

    asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department what were the numbers and nationalities of persons detained under the Immigration Act 1971 at Harmondsworth detention centre during 1980.

    4,961 persons were detained at the immigration service detention centre at Harmondsworth during 1980. I regret that it is not possible, without disproportionate cost, to provide a breakdown of this figure by nationality.

    Kerb Crawling

    asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department from which organisations he has received representations on the problem of kerb crawling.

    Since publication of the report of the working party on vagrancy and street offences in 1976, the following organisations have made representations concerning the problem of kerb crawling:

    • Broomhall community group, Sheffield
    • Canning area residents association, Liverpool
    • Derby Road area improvement group
    • Leicester city council
    • Melbourne Road and St. Peters residents association,
    • Highfields, Leicestershire
    • Newtown community improvement group
    • Southampton Central association of residents
    • Southampton city council
    • Stoke on Trent city council
    • Whalley Range association, Manchester
    • Wycliff branch Labour Party, Leicester.

    Dr Clift

    asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department if he will publish the names and details of the two cases other than that of Mr. Preece where representations were made about Dr. Clift; if he will give the number and position of the investigating officers in one of the cases who decided that the evidence against the prisoner was overwhelming; and if he will allow these cases to be reopened now that further investigation has led a judge in the Scottish Court of Appeal to describe Dr. Cliff as discredited.

    I would prefer not to publish the names of the persons in question but I am writing to the the right hon. Member to give him the information.The investigating officer asked to consider one of these cases was Detective Chief Superintendent Proven Sharpe, the then head of the CID in Devon and Cornwall constabulary. The decision that the evidence in the case was not such as to justify any special action was taken not by him, but by the Home Office which had the benefit both of his report and of the views of the Department of the Director of Public Prosecutions. I do not consider that the two cases were of a nature that requires their reconsideration in the light of the recent judgment in the High Court of Justiciary in Scotland.

    asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department if he will publish a list of those convicted after trials in which Dr. Clift had given evidence; and if he will include the name of the convicted person's solicitors.

    Dr. Clift joined the forensic science service in 1953. It would not be practicable to compile the requested information now.

    asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department at which forensic science laboratory Dr. Clift was working when he gave evidence in the cases of Messrs. Morgan, Brown and Cowley and of Mr. Preece whose convictions were subsequently quashed; and in what year Dr. Clift gave evidence in the trials that led to conviction of Messrs. Morgan, Brown and Cowley and Mr. Preece.

    Dr. Clift was working at the Chorley forensic science laboratory when he gave evidence at the trial of Mr. Preece in 1973, and at the Harrogate forensic science laboratory when he gave evidence at the trial of Messrs. Morgan, Brown and Cowley in 1975.

    asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department if he will list the forensic science laboratories at which Dr. Clift has worked, giving for each the dates when he was there and an estimate of the number of cases he dealt with.

    The dates of Dr. Clift's service and the forensic science laboratories at which he has worked are as follows:

    • May 1953-May 1954—Wakefield
    • May 1954-December 1954—Harrogate
    • January 1955-December 1970—Preston
    • December 1970-June 1974—Chorley
    • June 1974-June 1976—Harrogate
    • June 1976-September 1977—Birmingham
    Dr. Clift was involved in about 250 cases in the period he was at the Birmingham laboratory. I regret that it is not possible to estimate accurately the number of cases that he handled at the other laboratories.

    asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department if he will take steps to investigate the cases Dr. Clift may have been involved with when he was at forensic science laboratories other than Birmingham.

    I do not contemplate such a general inquiry. I explained the reason for my decision in a letter I sent to the right hon. Member on 23 June.

    asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department if he will publish in the Official Report details of the quality assurance scheme that has been introduced by the forensic science department of the Home Office; and whether the development of the scheme is any way connected with the suspension of Dr. Clift.

    Formal schemes of quality assurance have operated in forensic science laboratories since 1969. Therefore their introduction had nothing to do with the matter referred to. However, the schemes have been kept under review and developed in the light of experience. A notable development was the creation in June 1977 of posts of assistant director in laboratories with the responsibilities for quality control set out in (1), (2) and (4) following.Currently the schemes are organised as follows:

  • (1) the director of each laboratory is responsible for overall quality control in his laboratory; additionally an assistant director is specifically responsible for auditing laboratory performance and reporting to the director;
  • (2) such audit reports are discussed with heads of departments who take any remedial action needed;
  • (3) all members of staff bear a corporate responsibility for matters relating to the performance of their department and the laboratory as a whole; and any officer who becomes aware of irregularities in procedure should bring them to notice;
  • (4) the assistant director is responsible for ensuring that internal quality control exercises are organised, including the monitoring of reports to courts;
  • (5) the Central Research Laboratory is responsible for preparing test exhibits to be inserted overtly and covertly into the normal work of laboratories;
  • (6) under the controller, a deputy director at the Forensic Science Headquarters in London is responsible for oversight of these arrangements, for co-ordination and monitoring of test results, and for the initiation of any corrective procedures that may be necessary.
  • Open Channel Radio

    asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department what discussions he has had and with whom before reaching his recent decisions in connection with the legalisation of citizens' band radio; and if he will delay his decision to commit citizens' band radio to 27 MHz. FM, to enable him to have discussions with interested parties, not yet consulted.

    The decision to introduce a 27 MHz. FM citizens' band service was announced on 26 February in a reply to a question from my hon. Friend the Member for Haltemprice (Sir P. Wall) and took into account the representations we had received on this issue from a wide range of interests including CB groups, the manufacturing industry and users of other radio services. We have received further representations since then, in particular about the subsequent choice of frequencies for the service in the 27 MHz. range; but as my right hon. Friend indicated in reply to a question from my hon. Friend the Member for Haltemprice on 24 June our aim is to introduce a viable service in the autumn and we must now work towards this on the basis of the decisions which we have taken.

    Operation Nexus

    asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department (1) if he will make a statement on the joint army and police anti-terrorist exercise Operation Nexus which took place at the National Exhibition Centre on 27 and 28 June;(2) if, in future, he will make it his practice to inform the relevant local authorities and the Member of Parliament of exercises such as Operation Nexus held in the Meriden parliamentary constituency on 27 and 28 June, in advance;(3) if he will list the authorities which were notified in advance of Operation Nexus which was held at the National Exhibition Centre on 27 and 28 June.(4) why persons at the National Exhibition Centre were not informed that Operation Nexus was an exercise; and if he will make a statement.

    The exercise was one of a series held by police forces to test contingency plans for handling terrorist incidents. Troops were involved. The chief constable of the West Midlands police has informed me that the management of the Exhibition Centre and the chairman of the Birmingham city council committee responsible for it were informed. The setting of these exercises needs to be realistic, but they are intended to cause no disruption or inconvenience to the public. I very much regret that on this occasion some members of the public were inconvenienced. I understand that the chief constable is writing personally to apologise to those most directly affected.

    Laboratory Animals

    asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department whether he will now give an approximate date for the publication of the report of the advisory committee on the use of laboratory animals which has recently been presented to him.

    General Sikorski

    asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department whether, following representations he has received, he is yet able to announce his decision as to whether the remains of General Sikorski should he returned to Poland; and if he will make a statement.

    I refer my hon. Friend to the reply which I gave yesterday to my hon. Friend the Member for Stretford (Mr. Churchill).

    Wales

    Welsh Water Authority

    asked the Secretary of State for Wales if he is satisfied with the general efficiency of the Welsh Water Authority; and if he will make a statement.

    There is always scope for examining the efficiency of any organisation and the Welsh Water Authority management and the Welsh Office are currently reviewing the operation of the authority in the light of the recommendations in Cmnd. 7131 and the Monopolies and Mergers Commission report on the Severn-Trent Water Authority.

    Designated Access Officers

    asked the Secretary of State for Wales how many local authorities in Wales at (a) county council level and(b) district council level have designated access officers.

    Employment

    Employed Persons

    asked the Secretary of State for Employment how many men and women, respectively, were employed in the United Kingdom in each of the last five years; and how many persons over retirement age are included in those figures.

    The numbers of men and women, respectively, employed in the United Kingdom in each of the last five years are as follows:

    Employees in Employment—United Kingdom
    (thousands)
    menwomen
    June 197613,3929,152
    June 197713,3639,255
    June 197813,3859,372
    June 197913,3809,540
    June 198013,1109,401

    Comparable information on the numbers of employees over retirement age is not available. However it is estimated that between 1977 and 1979 the number of male employees, 65 years of age and over, fell from about 300,000 to 250,000 and the number of female employees aged 60 and over fell from about 550,000 to 400,000.

    Unemployed Young Persons (Walthamstow)

    asked the Secretary of State for Employment what action he is taking to reduce the number of young people unemployed in the Walthamstow area.

    This year there will be 10,200 entrants to the youth opportunities programme in the north London area office area, which covers Walthamstow. The training opportunities programme for unemployed people aged 19 and over offers some 230 training places in or near Walthamstow.

    Community Business Ventures Unit

    asked the Secretary of State for Employment if he has received the report of the community business ventures unit, "Whose business is business?"; and when he expects to make a response to its contents and recommendations.

    No. However I am informed by the Manpower Services Commission that the report is expected very shortly.

    Wages Councils

    asked the Secretary of State for Employment if he will publish the letter he has sent to the chairman of wages councils concerning the wage rates for young people in wages council industries.

    The text of the letter, which my noble Friend sent on 29 July 1980 to the chairman of the two retail wages councils, is as follows:

    "As the Minister responsible for the administration of the Wages Councils Act 1979 I am writing to seek the views and the assistance of the Council on a matter which is frequently put to me in criticism of the operation of the wages council system. This concerns the position of the very small shopkeeper and the part-time workers he employs. It has been represented to me that the Council's awards are not designed with these people's needs sufficiently in mind and that the effect is to reduce opportunities for employment, especially for young people and for women. I am sure the Council would be anxious to maximise employment opportunities in present economic circumstances.
    The typical case represented to me is the shopkeeper whose establishment is situated away from the competitive labour market of the High Street and who employs at most only a small handful of workers, usually female who would not find employment elsewhere because they are only available for work close to their homes or for limited and often specific hours. The increases in wage rates agreed by the Council are, it is suggested, forcing many such employers to reduce the number of jobs they would otherwise be able to provide. And it is argued that such employees are themselves less concerned with earning the hourly equivalent of full-time workers than with having the opportunity of a job retaining an earnings capacity.
    I have no doubt that the Council has considered this difficult issue and I would welcome the Council's views on the extent of the problem and whether any special provision could be made which might go some way towards meeting it, particularly in view of the present levels of unemployment.
    If, as I hope, you will seek the views of the Council at an early occasion, you might think it would be helpful if one of my officials attended to explain the problems further as they have been represented to me.
    We have a common interest in seeking to respond to criticisms of the operation of wages councils since I am firmly committed to the principle of wages councils. I look forward to the Council's advice as soon as possible."

    Short-Time Working Compensation Scheme

    asked the Secretary of State for Employment, further to his letter of 18 June to the right hon. Member for Manchester, Openshaw, if he will identify the steps that have now been taken to prevent misuse by employers of the short-time working compensation scheme.

    Employers are now required to sign an undertaking at the time of application that they will inform my Department if they have any intention to declare redundancies.

    Departmental Statistics

    asked the Secretary of State for Employment what definition of employee activity is used by his Department in compiling statistics.

    The Department of Employment does not use the concept of an "employee activity rate". Information is normally given in the form of "economic activity rates". These are defined as the percentage of the population aged 16 and over, or any sub-group of this population, who are in the labour force, that is working or looking for work. Those working comprise the employed, excluding full-time students with part-time or vacation jobs, the self-employed and Her Majesty's Forces; those who are seeking work comprise both the registered and unregistered unemployed and those who are prevented from seeking work because of temporary sickness.Information on those serving in Her Majesty's Forces is only available for Great Britain. Civilian economic activity rates only are available for Wales, Scotland and England separately.Detailed definitions of the labour force and of economic activity rates are given in the "Guide to Official Statistics, 1980" pages 151–2.

    Maternity Pay

    asked the Secretary of State for Employment whether he will make a statement relating to the future of the maternity pay fund in the light of the recent diversion of income from maternity pay fund to the redundancy fund.

    The division of the employment protection allocation of employers' national insurance contributions between the two funds is purely administrative, and I have power to alter the proportions directed to each fund according to their respective needs at the time. The diversion of income into the redundancy fund is a temporary measure only, and it does not change in any way the level of maternity payments made to individual employees and the rebates paid to employers. The balance in the maternity pay fund is being monitored to ensure that all demands on it will be fully met.

    Government Policy Programme

    asked the Secretary of State for Employment whether he will make a statement on the results of his Department in achieving the Government's policy programme since he answered a similar question from the hon. Member for Melton on 4 June 1980.

    Average Annual Income

    asked the Secretary of State for Employment if he will give figures to show the average income of those in employment in 1980; and if he will express the average in terms of modality.

    Estimates of average annual total income from employment of those in employment in 1980 are not currently available. However, the average income from employment in April 1980, as reported in the "New Earnings Survey", was:

    Average weekly earnings of those in full-time employment whose pay was not affected by absence*
    £
    Men aged 21 and over124·5
    Women aged 18 and over78·8
    * Multiplying average weekly earnings by 52 will not give a precise measure of the annual rate of earnings because there are frequently fluctuations in the rate of pay during a year, for example because of absence from work or the level of overtime working.
    Expressing the distribution of average weekly earnings in April 1980 in bands of £10, the modal range—the range containing the highest proportion of employees—for men aged 21 and over was £100 to £109 and for women aged 18 and over from £60 to £69.

    Unemployment (Young People)

    asked the Secretary of State for Employment whether he will publish the latest details for the employment areas in each of his Department's regions of the highest numbers of young people looking for work, including those fully unemployed and those on youth opportunities programmes and other schemes, expressed in figures and as a percentage of total numbers of adults and young people looking for work, including those fully unemployed and those at youth opportunities programmes and other schemes; and if he will give comparative figures for one year ago.

    The information is not available except at disproportionate cost.

    Unemployed Young Persons

    asked the Secretary of State for Employment how many 16 to 19-year-olds are unemployed in England and Wales; what is that figure expressed as a percentage of the total population in that age group; and what are the corresponding statistics for other Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development countries.

    [pursuant to his reply, 23 June 1981, c. 9]: At April 1981 there were 337,566 16 to 19-year-olds unemployed in England and Wales; this represented 10·9 per cent. of the total population in that age group, including those still in education and others not in the labour force.Corresponding data for this age group are available only for the United States, although the unemployment figures are different in coverage and concepts from those compiled here. For the fourth quarter of 1980, there were 1,553,000 unemployed in the United States aged 16 to 19, representing 7·4 per cent. of the total population in that age group; the figures for that period for England and Wales, based on the average for October 1980 and January 1981, were 374,000 and 12 per cent.For other member countries of the OECD, the available figures for young people relate to varying age groups. Unemployment figures are given in the quarterly "Labour Force Statistics", published by the OECD; population figures are given in the "Year Book of Labour Statistics 1980", published by the ILO. Copies of these publications are in the House of Commons Library.

    Bolton (Youth Opportunities Programme)

    asked the Secretary of State for Employment if he will estimate the cost of maintaining 1,100 places at Bolton in the youth opportunities programme; what would be the cost of doubling the provision to meet the increase in unemployed summer school-leavers; and whether he considers that employers will be able to provide additional places to meet this increased need.

    [pursuant to his reply, 29 June 1981, c. 214–15]: It is not possible to state the cost of maintaining a given number of places in the youth opportunities programme in a given locality. The cost of any given level of provision will depend on the types of schemes involved and other factors. Every effort is being made and I am confident that sufficient additional places will be forthcoming.

    Young Persons

    asked the Secretary of State for Employment what is the cost of maintaining a youth opportunity programme of 146,000 young people.

    [pursuant to his reply, 30 June 1981, c. 255]: The cost of such a programme will depend on what proportion of young people enter the various types of scheme available, and how long they stay on the programme. On present plans it is expected that during 1981–82 there will be an average of 160,000 young people on the youth opportunities programme each month. This will cost £320 million per annum at current prices.

    Foreign And Commonwealth Affairs

    Non-Proliferation Treaty

    asked the Lord Privy Seal if he will list in the Official Report all those independent States which have not yet signed the non-proliferation treaty.

    States which have not signed, or acceded to, the non-proliferation treaty are:

    • Albania.
    • Algeria.
    • Angola.
    • Argentina.
    • Bahrain.
    • Bhutan.
    • Brazil.
    • Burma.
    • Chile.
    • China.
    • Comoros.
    • Cuba.
    • Djibouti.
    • Dominica.
    • Equatorial Guinea.
    • France.
    • Guinea.
    • Guyana.
    • India.
    • Israel.
    • Kiribati.
    • Malawi.
    • Mauritania.
    • Mozambique.
    • Nauru.
    • Niger.
    • Oman.
    • Pakistan.
    • Papua New Guinea.
    • Qatar.
    • St. Vincent.
    • Sao Tome and Principe.
    • Saudi Arabia.
    • Seychelles.
    • Solomon Islands.
    • South Africa.
    • Spain.
    • Tanzania.
    • Uganda.
    • United Arab Emirates.
    • Vanuatu.
    • Zambia.
    • Zimbabwe.

    Passport Office, Newport (Dispute)

    asked the Lord Privy Seal if he will indicate the volume of work at the passport office, Newport, Gwent, since the Civil Service dispute began; and how this compares with a similar period in 1980.

    In the period from 9 March to 20 June the Newport passport office issued 166,887 new passports; during the comparable 16 weeks of 1980 it issued 206,573 passports.

    Immigration

    asked the Lord Privy Seal how many people are at present awaiting interviews for entry certificates at each United Kingdom high commission in the Indian Sub-continent; and what is the average waiting time at each.

    I have been asked to reply.Information for each mission is given in the following table. Figures for each country of the Indian Sub-continent are published in the quarterly Home Office

    Statistical Bulletin on 'Control of Immigration Statistics'—table 6 of issue 13/81.

    Entry clearances for immediate settlement

    Number* of persons awaiting decision on application at 31st
    March 1981

    Months waited by a
    person† interviewed at end of first quarter 1981

    Bangladesh

    Dacca13,17022

    India

    Bombay1,590
    Calcutta30
    New Delhi1,6109

    Number* of persons awaiting decision on application at 31st March 1981

    Months waited by a person† interviewed at end of first quarter 1981

    Pakistan

    Karachi51021
    Islamabad4,52021

    * Includes people who have been interviewed, but whose applications remain undetermined.

    † Months waited by a person in the main settlement queue. All missions have arrangements under which they grant earlier interviews to certain categories.

    Industry

    Foreign Industrial Investment

    asked the Secretary of State for Industry (1) if he will list, by country of origin, the main sources of direct foreign industrial investment in Northern England since 1973; and if he will estimate how many jobs have been created by direct foreign industrial investment in Northern England since 1973;(2) if he will list, by country of origin, the main sources of direct foreign industrial investment in East Anglis since 1973; and if he will estimate how many jobs have been created by direct foreign industrial investment in East Anglia since 1973;(3) if he will list, by country of origin, the main sources of direct foreign industrial investment in South-Eastern England since 1973; and if he will estimate how many jobs have been created by direct foreign industrial investment in South-Eastern England since 1973.

    Information is not available on inward direct investment in standard region by country of origin. The census of production for 1973 and 1977, the latest year available, provides employment in all overseas controlled United Kingdom manufacturing establishments by region. The increase in employment between those years was 23,000 in the Northern region, 8,000 in East Anglia and 44,000 in the South-East region. Estimates by overseas controlled companies known to Invest in Britain Bureau of the number of jobs expected to be created by projects including expansions started or firmly decided upon in 1979 and 1980 are as follows:

    Northern regionEast Anglia and South-East region
    All Countries3,5401,920
    United States of America1,010170
    European Communities1,160760
    Switzerland920240

    Robotics

    asked the Secretary of State for Industry (1) how much his Department intends to provide for the promotion and advancement of robotics in (a) research, (b) application and (c) manufacture in the current financial year; and how much it is proposed to spend in 1982–83 and 1983–84;(2) if he is satisfied with the numbers of robots currently being used in British Industry; and what steps he is taking to increase this use.

    Burmah Oil Company

    asked the Secretary of State for Industry how much public financial assistance the Burmah Oil Company and its United Kingdom subsidiaries have received in connection with the establishment and subsequent operation of its oil refinery at Ellesmere Port; and how much public financial assistance the company has received in total in each of the last 10 years.

    Coal-Fired Boilers (Conversion)

    asked the Secretary of State for Industry what considerations were examined prior to setting the minimum cost of £25,000 for the grant scheme to encourage conversion to and replacement of the coal-fired boilers from the oil-fired installations; and how many small firms are estimated to be excluded from the grant scheme as a result of this minimum cost figure of £25,000.

    A number of considerations were examined in setting up the minimum threshold for applications under the coal-fired boiler scheme. These included the report of the NEDC energy task force, which drew attention to the advantage of coal for bulk industrial use, the threshold set for the earlier energy conservation scheme, the need to ensure that taxpayers' money is used to ensure the most cost-effective amount of substitution of coal for oil, arid the need to keep the administration and staff levels required to the minimum.It is not possible to estimate the number of small firms which may be excluded by this threshold from applying under the scheme. Many small firms have no requirement for industrial boilers on their premises.

    Scotland

    Gingerbread (Assistance)

    asked the Secretary of State for Scotland if he has given any financial assistance to the voluntary organisation Gingerbread; what was the amount donated in the last year; and if he intends to increase it in the future.

    Grants have been made to the Scottish headquarters of Gingerbread under section 10(1) of the Social Work (Scotland) Act 1968 since 1977. In the financial year 1980–81 my right hon. Friend gave a grant of £10,900. An application for financial assistance from the organisation for 1981–82 is at present under consideration.

    Unemployment (Research)

    asked the Secretary of State for Scotland if his Department now intends to sponsor research work into the effects of unemployment upon physical and mental health.

    Possible research work on the relationship between unemployment and health is being considered jointly with the Department of Health and Social Security.

    Multiple Sclerosis

    asked the Secretary of State for Scotland what is the incidence of multiple sclerosis in Scotland.

    This information is not available centrally: multiple sclerosis is not a notifiable disease.

    Balgay School, Dundee

    asked the Secretary of State for Scotland, if he will make a statement on the future of the Balgay list D school for girls in Dundee.

    The number of children on the roll of list D schools generally has been falling in recent months. The implications of this reduction for all the list D schools, including Balgay school, are being considered.

    Nursery Education

    asked the Secretary of State for Scotland what is the percentage of (a) 3 and (b) 4-year-olds receiving nursery education in each regional and island authority and in Scotland overall.

    The percentages of three-year-olds and four-year-olds attending education authority nursery schools at September 1979—the latest date for which information is at present available—were as follows:

    AuthorityPercentage of Three-year-oldsPercentage of Four-year-olds
    Borders619
    Central1429
    Dumfries and Galloway212
    Fife2053
    Grampian1323
    Highland413
    Lothian3241
    Orkney1722
    Shetland1211
    Strathclyde1729
    Tayside1625
    Western Isles1320
    Scotland1730

    Nurses (Footwear Allowance)

    asked the Secretary of State for Scotland what allowance for footwear is given to nurses in the National Health Service in Scotland.

    Further Education

    asked the Secretary of State for Scotland if he will give a percentage breakdown by sex of the numbers remaining at school beyond statutory leaving age in each of the past five years.

    The following table shows the percentage breakdown by sex of the numbers of pupils aged 16 and over who remained at school beyond the statutory leaving age in sessions 1975–76 to 1979–80.

    Pupils staying on at school (percentages)

    Year

    Aged 16

    Aged 17

    Aged 18 and over

    All ages

    male

    female

    male

    female

    male

    female

    male

    female

    1975–7650505446633751·448·6
    1976–7749515446633751·248·8
    1977–7849515347613950·349·7
    1978–7948525248604049·550·5
    1979–8047535149613948·951·1

    Note: Age is measured at 1 January of each session.

    School Leavers

    asked the Secretary of State for Scotland if he will give a percentage breakdown by sex of the number of Scottish school leavers with no SCE qualifications in the last year.

    33·8 per cent. of male school leavers and 31·2 per cent. of female school leavers in 1978–79, the latest year for which information is available, held no SCE qualifications. Further information about the qualifications held by school leavers is given in Scottish Education Department statistical bulletin No. 9/E2/1980, a copy of which is lodged in the Library of the House.

    Unemployed Persons (Dundee)

    asked the Secretary of State for Scotland if he will make a statement on the latest unemployment figures for Dundee; and if he will outline the measures he proposes to take to improve the situation.

    On 11 June 1981 unemployment in the Dundee employment office area stood at 15,152—15·5 per cent. The creation of new and secure jobs in Dundee is being encouraged by its special development area status and by the £6 million industrial development programme being undertaken there by the Scottish Development Agency. To help those unable to find work, the Government have expanded the programme of special employment measures this year. In the longer term, a lasting reduction in unemployment in Dundee, as elsewhere, will only be achieved by the creation of a sound and competitive economy, and it is to this end that our policies are directed.

    Women Police Constables (Footwear Allowance)

    asked the Secretary of State for Scotland what allowance for footwear is given to women police constables in forces in Scotland.

    None. Footwear allowance was consolidated into police pay from September 1975.

    Council House Sales

    asked the Secretary of State for Scotland (1) how many council houses have been sold in Scotland since the Tenants' Rights, Etc. (Scotland) Act came into force; what is the gross value of those houses; what price was actually paid by the purchasers; and what proportion of the gross value has been made available to local housing authorities to spend on capital projects;(2) what is the average sum in Scotland per dwelling sold available for investment in house building or rehabilitation by local authorities as a result of their sale

    of council houses, allowing for the average discount, the 50 per cent. of the sale price which goes to central Government and the extent to which council house purchasers take up council mortgages; and what percentage this represents of the original total valuation.

    The latest available information, based on a survey last month of all Scottish local authorities, is that about 3,100 sales under the Tenants' Rights, Etc. (Scotland) Act 1980 have already been concluded. About 16,500 applications to purchase under the Act are currently in progress. Substantial numbers of voluntary sales have also been concluded since October 1980 as well as sales in the new towns and to tenants of the Scottish Special Housing Association.The latest available information on the gross value and purchase price of houses sold both under the right to buy and voluntary arrangements in the period October 1980 to March 1981 is that the average gross value of houses sold was £13,600 and the average price paid was £7,500. In the same period the main source of finance for approximately 36 per cent. of all local authority house sales was a loan from the local authority.The hon. Member's references to the use of income from sales relate to arrangements obtaining south of the border. Under the present Scottish system, the benefit to authorities from sales is that the gross resources available to them for capital expenditure on housing take account of estimated net capital receipts from sales. The Government have been able to include more than £20 million in local authorities' allocations this year which could not have been made available had we not been able to foresee net capital receipts from sales of at least that amount. The Government are anxious to give authorities individually greater flexibility in the use of the capital receipts accruing to them from sales and we are considering with them possible changes to the capital allocation system for the next financial year.

    Mr Preece

    asked the Secretary of State for Scotland (1) if, when it was decided to reopen Mr. Preece's case and to refer it to the Court of Appeal after previouces decisions not to do so, it was because further evidence had emerged or because there was a different evaluation of evidence that had previously been considered;(2) if he will publish in the

    Official Report the number of times Mr. Preece's solicitors made representations for his case to be reopened, the number of times they were rejected, by whom and for what reason;

    (3) if, in his inquiry into the matter, he will seek to ascertain whether at the time that the requests from Mr. Preece's solicitors for a reopening of his cases were rejected by the then Secretary of State for Scotland, it was known that the blood group of Mr. Preece and the murdered woman were the same, and that Dr. Clift had not informed the court that convicted Mr. Preece of this fact.

    Mr. Preece's solicitors were in touch with my Department and the Home Office on several occasions from June 1978 onwards about the implication of Dr. Clift having given evidence at the trial; but only two formal requests were received asking for the case to be referred to the High Court of Justiciary for re-examination. The initial request dated 23 June 1978 was refused because there were no sufficient grounds at that time for such a reference. After further correspondence with another firm of solicitors they made the second formal request on 28 August 1980 and this was accepted in the light of a report by a senior Home Office forensic scientist who had examined the forensic evidence offered in Mr. Preece's case and cast doubts on certain of the conclusions reached. The case was accordingly referred to the High Court of Justiciary on 17 February 1981. Information regarding the murdered woman's blood group was not known to the Scottish Office until the forensic scientist's report was received in March 1980.

    Reservoirs

    asked the Secretary of State for Scotland (1) how many water authority reservoirs there are in Scotland, including those owned by the North of Scotland hydro-electric board; and how many of these fall within the provisions of the Reservoirs Act 1930;(2) how many privately-owned reservoirs there are in Scotland; and how many of these fall within the provisions of the Reservoirs Act 1930.

    A survey carried out some years ago by my Department indicated a total of some 550 reservoirs in Scotland falling within the provisions of the Reservoirs (Safety Provisions) Act 1930, of which about 430 were owned by local authorities and the two electricity boards. Ninety five were recorded as privately owned. These figures may, however, not be comprehensive.

    Designated Access Officers

    asked the Secretary of State for Scotland how many of the (a) regional authorities and (b) district councils in Scotland have designated access officers.

    This responsibility has been assumed by building control authorities in Scotland. I understand that 48 of the 50 authorities which exercise building control functions have now designated access officers or have established a point of contact on questions of access for disabled people.

    Roads Expenditure

    asked the Secretary of State for Scotland what was the expenditure in Scotland at current prices on each of the following (a) trunk road construction, (b) trunk road maintenance, (c) local authority road construction, (d) local authority road maintenance, (e) local authority cleansing, (f) gritting and snow clearance, (g) administration, (h) lighting, (i) parking, net, (j) other, and total road expenditure in 1979–80.

    The following table gives the information:

    £ thousand at outturn prices
    From central fundsFrom local authority funds
    New construction and improvement—
    Trunk68,074
    Non-trunk2,75362,784
    Maintenance—
    Trunk*14,625
    Non-trunk63,332
    Cleansing, gritting and snow clearance15,833
    Administration2,05018,448
    Lighting57721,290
    Parking (net)1,537
    Other expenditure†40210,469
    Total88,481193,693
    *It is not possible in the records of central Government payments to distinguish between the maintenance of trunk roads and cleansing, gritting and snow clearing.
    †lncludes depots, plant, vehicles and equipment.

    Social Services

    Waiting Lists (Thanet)

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services what is the current waiting list in the hospitals in Thanet for each category of operations.

    The information is not available centrally in the form requested. Numbers on in-patient waiting lists in surgical specialties at 31 March 1980 in the Canterbury and Thanet health district were as follows:

    Number on list
    General Surgery759
    Ear, Nose and Throat473
    Traumatic and Orthopaedic835
    Ophthalmology677
    Urology290
    Dental Surgery304
    Gynaecology1,059

    Elderly Persons (Home Supervision)

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services if he will take steps to recruit personnel to take over from health visitors the responsibility for home supervision of the elderly, as recommended in his Department's publication "Growing Older".

    "Growing Older" describes the work of health visitors in providing advice and support to elderly people and their families, as part of a wide range of statutory and voluntary community care services. It does not recommend the transfer of any part of this work to other personnel.

    Retirement Age

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services when he now expects to be able to give revised estimates for the approximate cost to the Exchequer of lowering the retirement age for men from 65 to 64, 63, 62, 61 and 60 years, respectively, taking into account any consequential savings in unemployment benefit.

    National Assistance Act 1948 (Default Powers)

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services what representations he has received to use his default powers under section 36 of the National Assistance Act 1948 from the Royal Association for Disability and Rehabilitation; and if he will list the council concerned, the date the representation was received, the date of his reply and the action he has taken in each case.

    Representations have been received from the Royal Association for Disability and Rehabilitation concerning six local authorities, in some instances referred to more than one case. The initial applications were received on the following dates:

    • London borough of Richmond-upon-Thames—11 March 1981
    • Wiltshire county council—18 March 1981
    • Oxfordshire county council—18 March 1981
    • West Sussex county council—24 April 1981
    • Northumberland county council—24 April 1981
    • London borough of Brent—19 May 1981

    A full reply to the points concerning Wiltshire and Richmond-upon-Thames was sent to RADAR on 12 May. Inquiries are still being pursued in the other cases. Full replies will be sent as soon as the inquiries are complete.

    Mobility Allowance

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services what is his latest estimated figure for the number of persons in receipt of mobility allowance; and how many of these are confined to a wheelchair.

    194,444 people were in receipt of mobility allowance on 22 June 1981. I regret that it is not known how many of these are confined to a wheelchair.

    Invalidity Benefit And Attendance Allowance

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services what is the latest figure for the estimated number of persons in receipt of invalidity benefit and attendance allowance, respectively.

    The latest figures are:

    Invalidity Benefit614,500 (at 31 May 1980)
    Attendance Allowance285,825 (at 31 December 1979

    Registered Disabled And Blind Persons

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services what is the latest estimated figure for the number of persons who are registered disabled persons and registered blind persons, respectively.

    At 31 March 1980, the latest date for which figures are available, the numbers of people registered with local authorities as disabled and as blind, respectively, were:

    EnglandWales
    at 31 March 1980
    General classes900,66960,954
    Blind107,7657,384

    Health Service Commissioner (Annual Report)

    asked the Secretary of State for Social Services when he expects to receive the annual report of the Health Service Commissioner for 1980–81.

    The Health Service Commissioner has, as in previous years, made a single annual report on the performance of his functions in England, Scotland and Wales. My right hon. Friends, the Secretaries of State for Social Services, Scotland and Wales presented the report to the House on Tuesday 30 June. It will be published tomorrow—HC 368—and copies will be available from the Vote Office.

    Education And Science

    Association Of Polytechnic Teachers (Burnham Committee)

    asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science if he is now able to announce his decision regarding the application of the Association of Polytechnic Teachers for a place on the further education committee of Burnham.

    I refer the hon. Member to the reply given on 22 June by my right hon. and learned Friend to a question by my hon. Friend the Member for Cornwall, North (Mr. Neale).

    Teachers (Conditions Of Service)

    asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science whether he has any plans to make conditions of service for teachers subject to Burnham committee procedures.

    My right hon. and learned Friend sees considerable merit in having unified national negotiating machinery covering teachers' pay and other conditions of service instead of the present statutory Burnham committees dealing with pay only and other quite separate arrangements covering non-pay matters. There have recently been extensive consultations with the local authority and teacher associations about the form of such new machinery and my right hon. and learned Friend is now considering how the principle of unified negotiations might best be put into effect, in the light of those consultations.

    Public And Internal Examinations (Allocation Of Time)

    asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science if he will investigate the problems faced by examinees who, because of physical handicap, require additional time to answer questions in public and internal examinations; if he will issue a guideline to all examining boards, authorities and schools regarding time compensation for examination purposes; and if he will make a statement.

    Examination boards and schools generally recognise that allowances need to be made for many physically handicapped pupils and that in some cases extra time is required to complete papers. All the GCE and CSE boards make some provision for handicapped candidates, but policy varies from board to board. It is desirable that boards should aim at a more uniform approach, and my right hon. and learned Friend will bear this objective in mind when he comes to consider the draft national criteria for assessment in connection with a proposed single system of examining at 16 plus on which the boards have now begun to work.

    Nursery Education

    asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science, pursuant to his reply of Monday 22 June, Official Report, c. 42, how much money the nursery education component of grant-related expenditure assessments for 1981–82 constitutes for Great Britain as a whole and for each region.

    The nursery education component of grant related expenditure assessments for 1981–82 for England as a whole is £127·1 million. A regional breakdown of this follows. Responsibility for nursery education matters in Wales and Scotland rests with my right hon. Friends the Secretaries of State for Wales and Scotland respectively.

    Regions of England

    £ million

    North8·5
    Yorkshire and Humberside13·4
    North West18·1
    East Midlands10·6
    West Midlands14·6
    East Anglia5·3
    South East45·5
    South West11·1

    Electronpositron Accelerator

    asked the Secretary of State for Education and Science what progress has been made by member Governments in consideration of the European Organisation for Nuclear Research, CERN, proposal for a large electronpositron accelerator and storage ring, LEP; and if he will make a statement.

    The proposal was discussed at the meeting of the CERN Council on 25 June. Nine members, including the United Kingdom, voted in favour and it is expected that the remaining three will do so later on this year. United Kingdom participation will be managed through the Science and Engineering Research Council which is today publishing a statement. With my agreement the council recorded formal caveats concerning unforeseen variation in cost and duration of the project or in the council's own funds. It is hoped that work on LEP will begin in 1982 and the first experiments should start in about five years' time. The total cost of the project is expected to be about 900 million Swiss francs at 1980 prices. CERN is the largest single customer in Switzerland for United Kingdom exports and past experience suggests that LEP will offer substantial opportunities to United Kingdom industry: benefits to a firm that arise from selling a product to CERN have averaged four times the revenue from that sale.

    Agriculture, Fisheries And Food

    Eggs

    asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food whether he will publish the information and statistics on which he based his estimate that retail egg prices would double if the battery-cage system were abolished; whether this estimate has replaced the estimate made by the Agricultural Development and Advisory Service that the increase in costs entailed in a move from cages to deep litter straw yards lies between 0·8p and 7·8p a dozen depending on stocking density; and whether he will publish the information and statistics on which the latter estimate is based.

    The results of the studies which the Agricultural Development and Advisory Service has made of production cost data relating to free range and more intensive systems of production are to be published. They indicate that the costs of production for free range eggs would be very substantially higher than for eggs produced under more intensive systems, including those mentioned by the hon. Member.

    Breadmaking Wheat

    asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food when he expects to receive information from the European Economic Community Commission on the proposals to instigate intervention support for breadmaking wheat after 1 August.

    No proposals have yet come forward from the Commission. No doubt the Commission will assess, as the new season progresses, whether the market for breadmaking wheat requires support and, if so, by what measures.

    Standing Veterinary Committee

    asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food whether decisions have been reached by the European Community about the Standing Veterinary Committee.

    In its report on document 6497/81, relating to the European commission's proposals for extending the life of the Standing Veterinary Committee and changing its associated procedures, the Select Committee on European Legislation noted that the proposals were politically important and recommended them for debate. However, the report also stated that the Select Committee would withdraw its recommendation if the provisons of the document concerning the Standing Veterinary Committee's procedures, which would remove the Council's power to reject certain Commission proposals by simple majority voting, were deleted or withdrawn.At the Council of Ministers on 15 and 16 June the opportunity arose to agree that the Standing Veterinary Committee and its associated procedures should be extended indefinitely with the possibility of a review in six years. The ability of the Council to reject certain Commission proposals by a simple majority was also to be retained. Given the terms of the Select Committee's report, and as the Standing Veterinary Committee's procedures were due to expire on 21 June 1981, I felt able to agree in principle to this modified proposal despite the outstanding recommendation for debate. The modified proposal was formally adopted on 25 June.I welcome this decision, which will enable the work of this useful expert group to continue along well established lines in developing the veterinary rules to be applied within the European Community.

    Council Of Ministers (Meeting)

    asked the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food what was the outcome of the Council of Agriculture Ministers' meeting in Luxembourg on 30 June; and if he will make a statement.

    My right hon. Friend the Minister of State and I represented the Government yesterday at the special meeting of the Agriculture Council to discuss the problem over sheepmeat clawback. I emphasised again the importance of implementing an acceptable solution to this problem which would ease the difficulties of our exporters. The Council examined in depth the proposals which the Commission had put to the management committee, as well as other approaches.The outcome was that eight of the other nine member States indicated that they, like us, would be ready to support in the management committee proposals based on the Commission's approach—though I made it clear that certain changes would be needed to achieve the results desired. The Commission is expected to discuss this matter further today before again putting proposals to the management committee.At the conclusion of the meeting, I withdrew our reserves on those regulations arising from the price fixing which are operative from 1 July and on the regulations relating to structures, including those which will benefit Northern Ireland and the Western Isles of Scotland. But I maintained reserves on the remaining outstanding regulations from the price fixing package, which include regulations on wine, cereals and vegetable oils.

    Transport

    British Transport Hotels

    17.

    asked the Secretary of State for Transport what progress has been made in privatisation of the assets of British Transport Hotels.

    I told the House on 3 June about the railways board's proposal to dispose of three of its Scottish hotels to a new company in which British Transport Hotels would take a one-third shareholding.—[Vol. 5, c. 912–13]. I welcome the success which these proposals have since had, and I look forward to receiving further proposals from the board in due course.

    Freight Statistics

    19.

    asked the Secretary of State for Transport what is the latest figure for the proportion of freight carried by (a) rail and (b) road.

    My Department estimates that rail accounted for 14 per cent. of inland freight traffic in Great Britain in 1980 and road for 78 per cent.

    Transport Supplementary Grant (School Bus Contracts)

    20.

    asked the Secretary of State for Transport if he will make the provision of transport supplementary grant to county councils conditional upon their not withdrawing school bus contracts from those bus operators who exercise their rights to operate other services under the trial area provisions of the Transport Act 1980.

    Transport supplementary grant is a block grant. It is for each county to decide how it is used.

    British Railways (Investment)

    21.

    asked the Secretary of State for Transport if he is satisfied with the current level of investment available to British Railways.

    I shall be considering the board's investment requirements in the light of its response to my statement on 22 June on the commercial railway and of information which it has provided on the needs of the noncommercial railway.

    Bypasses

    22.

    asked the Secretary of State for Transport how many trunk road bypasses will be opened this year; and if he will list them.

    Nine. In addition, some communities will be relieved of through-traffic by the opening of sections of motorways.Following is the information:

    • A1 Felton bypass, Northumberland
    • A2 Canterbury bypass, Kent
    • A3 Burpham-Ladymead Diversion, Surrey (Guildford)
    • A6 Silsoe bypass, Bedfordshire
    • A13 Mar Dyke-East of Grays, Essex (Grays and Thurrock)
    • A47 Swaffham bypass, Norfolk
    • A56 Haslingden bypass, Lancashire
    • A66 Appleby bypass, Cumbria
    • A1079 Beverley bypass, Humberside

    M1 (Hemel Hempstead-Watford)

    23.

    asked the Secretary of State for Transport if he is satisfied with the progress of the widening of the M1 between Hemel Hempstead and Watford; and if he will make a statement.

    I am reasonably satisfied with progress, though bad weather in the spring did slow down the work a little. I am sure that everyone trying to drive to and from London by the M I at any time is anxious to see this very valuable improvement completed as quickly as possible.

    Transport Supplementary Grant

    24.

    asked the Secretary of State for Transport what consideration his Department gives to local authorities' policies on public transport fares structures when allocating transport supplementary grant.

    I shall be looking at both the current and capital expenditure plans of county councils and I have asked them to set out in their transport policies and programmes their fares policy with details of changes in fares planned and allowed for during 1981–82 and 1982–83. In deciding their fares structures local authorities will need to have in mind other priorities such as maintaining and improving their transport system and have full regard to the ability of their ratepayers, both industrial and domestic, to pay, and to what the country can afford by way of public expenditure nationally. I shall have these considerations very much in mind when I consider this autumn the allocation of resources.

    Signalling Equipment (Expenditure)

    25.

    asked the Secretary of State for Transport what was British Railway's capital expenditure on signalling equipment in the last full year for which figures are available.

    In 1980 total expenditure on the renewal of signal and telecommunications equipment was £70·4 million.

    British Railways (Chairmanship)

    26.

    asked the Secretary of State for Transport when he expects to make an announcement on the future chairmanship of British Railways.

    Fares Policy

    27.

    asked the Secretary of State for Transport what new information of fares policy he has requested from transport authorities for inclusion in their transport policy programmes submission to his Department.

    We have asked county councils to set out, in their transport policies and programmes, their fares policy with details of fare changes planned and allowed for during 1981–82 and 1982–83.

    Tailgating

    28.

    asked the Secretary of State for Transport whether, in the light of successful experiments carried out by the Transport and Road Research Laboratory into a system of warning vehicles which follow too closely, he will take steps to introduce the system more generally.

    Yes. We intend soon to tell local highway authorities of the results of the experiments, and we are willing to authorise the signs on roads where warning of over-close following is desirable.

    Road Signs (Small Businesses)

    29.

    asked the Secretary of State for Transport if he will review the law relating to the placing of small business road signs constructed on land adjoining trunk road and motorway verges.

    I refer my hon. Friend to the reply I have given earlier today to my hon. Friend the Member for Cornwall, North (Mr. Neale) for signs on verges and highway land. Signs on land alongside roads not part of the highway are subject to control under the town and country planning legislation and are primarily a matter for my right hon. Friend the Secretary of State for the Environment.

    Greater London Council (Leader)

    30.

    asked the Secretary of State for Transport what subjects were discussed at his recent meeting with the new leader of the Greater London Council.

    We discussed my concern that London should have the best possible transport system within the present tight public expenditure situation and the resources available for transport. Excessive spending on indiscriminate low fares policies which have no regard to real need can only be at the expense of other priorities such as maintaining and improving the system. This is a factor I shall have very much in mind when I consider this autumn, as a basis for allocating resources, the TPPs which local authorities have prepared.I also made it clear that, although the decision whether to accept a GLC subvention to reduce fares was a matter for the British Railways Board, I could not allow the GLC unilaterally to increase the level of subsidy to BR, The external financing limit of BR represents that proportion of the total external resources available that in the Government's view could be taken by the railways. I am anxious to see commuter fares held down as far as possible, but this has to be achieved by improvements in productivity and efficiency. It is a major aim of the Government to hold to their public expenditure targets.

    West Midlands (Trunk Road Network)

    31.

    asked the Secretary of State for Transport whether he is satisfied with the present trunk road network in the West Midlands; and if he will list the projects in the region on which he now expects starts to be made in the next two years.

    Not yet, but when we have completed our planned improvements the network will meet the region's needs.The contracts for two sections of the M54 have been let and work should start on the remaining sections later this year. The White Paper "Policy for Roads: England 1980", Cmnd. 7908, lists the schemes planned to start in 1982 and 1983 subject to satisfactory completion of statutory procedures and the availability of funds at the time. The programme is being reviewed, and an updated version will be published in due course.

    Trans-Pennine Traffic

    32.

    asked the Secretary of State for Transport if he will carry out a study of the future requirements of transport using the trans-Pennine routes, in the light of the proposed closure of the Woodhead rail link between Sheffield and Manchester.

    No. So far as rail requirements are concerned, this would be a matter for the Railways Board. I see no case for any wider study.

    Port Of London

    33.

    asked the Secretary of State for 'Transport if the future financial viability of the Port of London will have to be achieved without any further public support beyond that already approved by Parliament other than capital reconstruction.

    I am currently awaiting the Port of London's corporate plan and will make a statement on this in due course.

    Food Markings

    34.

    asked the Secretary of State for Transport if, to increase road safety, he will take steps to make more extensive use of continuous edge of carriageway road markings in non-built up areas.

    We already do recommend the use of continuous edge markings on roads which are unlit and where certain other hazardous conditions, as defined in chapter 5 of the traffic signs manual, exist. We are carrying out a study before deciding whether wider use of continuous marking would be justified.

    Railways (Electrification)

    35.

    asked the Secretary of State for Transport when he intends to make a statement on railway electrification.

    I refer the hon. Member to the reply I gave earlier today to the hon. Members for Edinburgh, Central (Mr. Cook) and Sheffield, Heeley (Mr. Hooley).

    42.

    asked the Secretary of State for Transport whether he is yet in a position to make a statement regarding British Railways' plans for investment in rail electrification.

    I refer my hon. Friend to the reply I gave earlier today to the hon. Members for Edinburgh, Central (Mr. Cook) and Sheffield, Heeley (Mr. Hooley).

    45.

    asked the Secretary of State for Transport when he expects to announce his decision on the proposals of the rail electrification review.

    I refer the hon. Member to the reply I gave earlier today to the hon. Members for Edinburgh, Central (Mr. Cook) and Sheffield, Heeley (Mr. Hooley).

    National Bus Company

    36.

    asked the Secretary of State for Transport what is the current level of capital debt of the National Bus Company.

    Rail Exports

    37.

    asked the Secretary of State for Transport if he will take further action to promote rail exports.

    In co-operation with my right hon. Friend the Secretary of State for Trade, I take every opportunity to promote rail exports and, in particular, to further the overseas interests of the British Railways Board for which I have a special responsibility. There have been recent contacts between my Department and the People's Republic of China on railway co-operation. I have also had useful meetings this year with the Indian Minister for Railways and the Nigerian Minister for Transport.

    M25

    38.

    asked the Secretary of State for Transport what progress has been made on the construction of the M25; and if he will make a statement.

    We are making very substanial progress. 70 miles out of 120 are now open or under construction, including a continuous 40-mile stretch from the A1 at South Mimms in Hertfordshire to the M20 at Swanley in Kent.Some 36 miles of the route are open to traffic, and the five-mile length between Potters Bar and Waltham Cross will be open later this month. A further 28 miles are under construction. We expect to let the contract for another six miles, between Chertsey and Wisley, shortly.Planning of the remainder is well advanced, and the route has been fixed for all but 25 miles. The whole motorway should be open in 1985, except the section near Watford which, subject to the statutory procedures, should open in 1986.

    British Railways (Investment)

    39.

    asked the Secretary of State for Transport if he will discuss with the British Railways Board its future investment programme.

    I frequently discuss with the chairman various matters of mutual concern and will continue to do so.

    British Railways (Financial Support)

    40.

    asked the Secretary of State for Transport what progress he has made in considering increased Government financial support to British Railways.

    I have already increased the cash ceiling on the public service obligation grant for 1981 to £678 million, £23 million more than previously planned.

    Elderly Persons (Concessionary Travel)

    41.

    asked the Secretary of State for Transport, further to his reply to the hon. Member for Rossendale, Official Report, 3 June, column 911, what his Department has done to date to make possible a closer coordination on a local basis of concessionary travel schemes for the elderly who cannot avoid cross-boundary travel.

    I refer my hon. Friend to my answer earlier today to the hon. Member for Bolsover (Mr. Skinner).

    Passenger Statistics

    43.

    asked the Secretary of State for Transport how many passengers were carried by British Railways in 1980; and what were the comparable totals in 1970 and 1975.

    The relevant information on British Rail's passenger carryings is as follows:

    197019751980
    Passenger Journeys (in millions)Comparable Information not available729·5760·2
    Passenger Miles (in millions)18,90018,80019,700

    A6(M) Stockport

    44.

    asked the Secretary of State for Transport if he will make a statement on his official visit to the A6(M) at Stockport and on his Department's priority for the start of road building there.

    My visit left me in no doubt about the problems on the A6 and the need for a bypass. In our current review of the road programme we will be considering when it might be possible to accommodate this very costly project, but I cannot anticipate our decision. I am sure that this road must be built as soon as it is realistically possible to find the resources to do so.

    British Railways (Investment)

    46.

    asked the Secretary of State for Transport whether he can now announce his decision on the future investment proposals of British Railways.

    I refer the hon. Member to the answer I gave to the hon. Member for Swansea, East (Mr. Anderson) earlier today.

    49.

    asked the Secretary of State for Transport whether he will discuss with the chairman of the British Railways Board the level of future investment and manning levels in British Railways.

    I refer the hon. Member to the answer I gave to the hon. Member for Sheffield, Hillsborough (Mr. Flannery) earlier today.

    50.

    asked the Secretary of State for Transport when he next expects to meet the chairman of British Railways to discuss the investment programme.

    I refer the hon. Member to the answer I gave to the hon. Member for Sheffield, Hillsborough (Mr. Flannery) earlier today.

    Public Sector (Private Investment)

    47.

    asked the Secretary of State for Transport if he will report on progress in securing new private investment in the public sector.

    I informed the House on 18 June of the proposal I have received from senior managers of the National Freight Company for a widely based consortium of managers and employers to purchase the company. I have also informed the House recently of British Rail's plans to dispose of three important Scottish hotels to a new private sector company, in which it has taken a one-third shareholding. The current Transport Bill provides for the further introduction of private capital into British Rail's subsidiary businesses and into the British Transport Docks Board. I have also completed, agreed terms for, or accepted in principle offers for the sale of new leases for four-fifths of the English motorway service areas; these sales have already brought £42 million to the Exchequer.

    Provisional Driving Licences

    48.

    asked the Secretary of State for Transport what steps he has taken to alleviate the effects of industrial action on the issue of provisional driving licences.

    51.

    asked the Secretary of State for Transport whether he will make special arrangements for the issue of provisional driving licences while industrial action affects the Driver and Vehicle Licensing Centre, Swansea.

    As I explained to my right hon. Friend the Member for Worthing (Mr. Higgins) on 10 June—[Vol. 6 c. 147]—an existing licence holder who is not medically unfit to drive or disqualified can continue to drive for a year once his renewal application has been sent to Swansea. While the present industrial action continues, arrival of an application at Swansea Post Office counts as receipt. I have also tabled a new clause to the Transport Bill to give me power to make regulations allowing first-time applicants for provisional driving licences, who at present need to hold a licence before they begin to drive, to start learning to drive provided they have sent in their applications to Swansea. I intend to make the necessary regulations as soon as the Transport Bill is enacted.

    Motorway Maintenance

    52.

    asked the Secretary of State for Transport what arrangements his Department makes to assess the likely effect on traffic flows of each major item of motorway maintenance.

    Particular care is taken when planning motorway repairs to ensure that traffic flows are affected as little as possible. We consult local authorities and the police to find the safest method of directing traffic through the site. The Department continues to search for ways of reducing disruption by phasing major repair programmes, making maximum use of night and weekend working when traffic is lightest, improving the design of lane diversions and increasing the amount of information given to drivers both on the road and through the media.

    Road User Taxation

    53.

    asked the Secretary of State for Transport by what factor the total yield from road user taxation, including value added tax, will have increased between 1978–79 and 1981–82.

    It is estimated that the revenue from motoring and vehicle taxation—vehicle excise duty, excise duty on petrol and derv, car tax, VAT on road fuels, VAT on new cars, repairs, and servicing—will increase in cash terms by a factor of about 1·9 between 1978–79 and 1981–82. In real terms this is a factor of about 1·25.

    Trunk Road Maintenance

    54.

    asked the Secretary of State for Transport how much will be spent on maintenance of trunk roads other than motorways in the current financial year.

    A34 (East Ilsley To Chilton)

    asked the Secretary of State for Transport when work is to commence on the construction of the last stretch of the A34(T) East Ilsley to Chilton section of the Newbury to Oxford link road.

    The East Ilsley-Chilton improvement is in our main trunk road programme for 1984 onwards. It is too early to give a specific date for the start of construction.

    Vehicles (Parking)

    asked the Secretary of State for Transport further to the reply to the hon. Member for Newham, North-West of 19 December 1980, Official Report, c. 576, when he expects to implement section 7 of the Road Traffic Act 1974 prohibiting the parking of vehicles on verges, central reservations and footways, in view of the continuing hazard to the blind, the sick and the disabled and the obstacles to access by ambulance and fire services caused by such parking.

    I disapprove of parking on pavements and verges which is inconsiderate to other people and can be dangerous to the blind and the disabled. However it would not be sensible to bring section 7 into force until local authorities and the police are in a position to implement and enforce it. It is already an offence under existing law to drive on footways, to park on footways in roads where yellow line waiting restrictions are in force, or to park heavy commercial vehicles on footways. It is also an offence to leave a vehicle in such a position as to cause danger, or unnecessary or wilful obstruction.

    Welsh Language (Driving Tests)

    asked the Secretary of State for Transport what representations he has received from Gwynedd county council on the use of the Welsh language for driving tests; and what view it expressed.

    The Gwynedd county council wrote to the Welsh Office about driving tests in Welsh on 19 November 1980 and my Department, which is responsible for driving tests in Wales, replied on 8 January. Copies of the letter and reply, in both English and Welsh, have been placed in the Library of the House.

    Motorway Repair Programme

    asked the Secretary of State for Transport, in view of the recent discovery of cracks in the M1, if he will make a statement on the Government's motorway repair programme.

    The cracks discovered recently near junction 27 on the M1 were almost certainly caused by mining subsidence. Temporary repairs have been completed and the carriageway reopened. A more permanent repair is planned later this year.There is no connection between this isolated incident and our general approach to maintaining motorways. We have already recognised the need to strengthen some of our older and most heavily-trafficked motorways, many of which have already carried a greater weight of traffic than they were designed to carry. Planned expenditure on structural renewals of motorways has already been increased to a higher level than ever before.

    Seat Belts

    asked the Secretary of State for Transport what representations he has received recently concerning the compulsory wearing of seat belts.

    Since 1 March, I have received 171 representations. Of these 78, including 22 from organizations—two of which were accompanied by petitions—were in favour of compulsion while 93, all from individuals, were against.

    Rail Freight

    asked the Secretary of State for Transport what assessment has been made of the effect upon the level of goods traffic being carried by rail of the introduction of 44-tonne lorries on British roads.

    British Rail has told me that it would not expect rail freight traffic levels to be affected significantly by the introduction of heavier lorries, provided that the terms of competition between road and rail were fair, and in particular that the heaviest categories of lorry met their full track costs. I have already said that the Government will not be putting forward any proposal for a maximum weight as high as 44 tonnes.

    Commercial Vehicles (Skips And Containers)

    asked the Secretary of State for Transport if he has any estimates of the number of commercial vehicles fitted with equipment for loading and carriage of standard skips, or similar containers, the increase in their numbers in the last five years and his estimate of their likely future numbers.

    Chelmsford (A12 Bypass)

    asked the Secretary of State for Transport when the scheme to bypass the A12 at Chelmsford was first proposed; what stage the scheme has now reached; when the statutory procedures should be completed; and when work is expected to start.

    This scheme was first included in the trunk road programme in 1968 and draft orders for a southern bypass were published in 1974. Following a public inquiry in 1975 the inspector recommended that the Department should re-examine the possibilities of a central route. The then Government accepted this, made no statutory orders and postponed the road. In October 1979, however, we announced our intention to proceed with a southern route and design work has continued since then. We intend to publish fresh draft orders this summer. Subject to the satisfactory completion of the statutory procedures, including a public inquiry, and to the availability of funds, work could start early in 1984.

    British Rail Engineering Ltd (Work Load)

    asked the Secretary of State for Transport what work load he expects to see maintained in British Railways Engineering Limited over the next two years; and what effect it will have on the level of employment.

    Vehicle Registration Documents

    asked the Secretary of State for Transport if he will transfer the records of all vehicle registration documents V5 from the Driver and Vehicle Licensing Centre in Swansea to a central location in Scotland for those vehicles which are permanently located in Scotland.

    I realise the desirability of providing employment in Scotland by basing Government services there whenever an efficient service would result. However, I doubt whether any benefits this particular suggestion might have could justify the considerable costs to the taxpayer which would be involved. My hon. Friend will also appreciate that vehicles tend frequently to change ownership and Location so that it is not possible to identify vehicles permanently located in Scotland.

    Severn Crossing (Working Party)

    asked the Secretary of State for Transport whether the offical working party set up to look at the potential need for a further Severn crossing has reported; and if he will make a statement.

    Yes. I have placed a copy of the report in the Library. My right hon. Friend the Secretary of State for Wales and I accept its main conclusion that the Severn bridge will continue to provide a satisfactory crossing for industrial and commercial traffic until the early years of the next century, although some delays will occur from time to time at peak periods, mainly summer weekends and there will have to be occasional lane closures for maintenance work. A feasibility study for a new crossing need not, therefore, be undertaken at present, hut the position will be kept under review.The working group also recommended that the Department, in conjunction with the Welsh Office, should improve traffic management on the bridge; advise motorists about alternative routes during holiday periods; review contingency plans and give greater publicity to alternative routes for use in emergencies; and consider the priority of improvement schemes on alternative routes. We are implementing these recommendations.On the alternative routes priority is being given to the Gloucester northern bypass, for which a contract was let in May, the Northleach bypass, which we hope to start next year, the new Wye bridge at Chepstow and the relief road for A40 traffic at Ross-on-Wye. In addition, we intend to replace the existing A40 trunk route through Cheltenham by trunking the A436 south of the town and providing a new interchange with the M5 at Brockworth. The possibility of giving higher priority to the Brockworth bypass is being considered as part of our current review of the trunk road programme.

    Bus Operators (Public Accountability)

    asked the Secretary of State for Transport whether he has any proposals to increase the public accountability of bus operators.

    Very large sums of public money are now being spent on the support of bus undertakings by central and local government. Bus users, ratepayers and other interested parties want to be satisfied that their local bus services are being provided efficiently and effectively. Responsible bus operators are just as concerned to demonstrate that they are making the best use of their resources.I am today publishing two documents which will help in this. One specifies the information about performance that bus operators will in future publish each year. This will enable the public to judge the efficiency of their local bus undertaking. The second suggests a simplified but comprehensive framework for the information local authorities need when they are taking decisions on support for bus services.I very much welcome the collaboration of CIPFA and the industry in preparing these guides. I believe that they will help real progress to be made in getting value for money for bus services.

    Defence

    Pensions (Commissioned Officers)

    asked the Secretary of Stale for Defence what differences there are in the rules and arrangements for commutation of Service pensions for commissioned officers compared with other ranks.

    Under the resettlement commutation scheme which was introduced in 1978 there are no differences in the rules and arrangements under which officers and other ranks may commute their pensions. Under the life commutation scheme, which is in the process of being phased out, an officer might commute up to half his pension whereas other ranks were limited to raising £1,000 by life commutation unless a larger sum could be shown to be to their distinct and permanent advantage.

    Heavyweight Torpedo

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence what is his estimate of the number of redundancies in the United Kingdom which would result from a decision to purchase a new heavyweight torpedo from the United States of America.

    Such a decision has not yet been taken. The industrial implications of the various options, such as effects on United Kingdom employment, will be fully taken into account in the decision process. Until a final decision is taken the effects of any particular choice remain hypothetical.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence when he now expects to make a decision about the source of the proposed new heavyweight torpedo.

    Universities (Army And Royal Navy)

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence if he is satisfied that the Army and Royal Navy need to continue to run their own separate universities producing only some 80 graduates a year; and what are the costs of the establishments.

    The Royal Naval Engineering College, Manadon and the Royal Military College of Science, Shrivenham not only provide for university level graduates; they also support a wide range of shorter scientific and engineering courses to meet the needs of the Royal Navy and the Army, in addition to the engineering degree courses to which the hon. Member refers. Though the number of United Kingdom Service first degrees from Manadon and Shrivenham in 1980 was 95, the intention is to increase this figure as far as present circumstances allow. The cost in 1979–80 of RNEC Manadon and RMCS Shrivenham were £7·1 million and £7·4 million respectively.

    Staff College, Camberley

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence if he is satisfied that it is necessary for the staff college at Camberley to remain the same size as it was in 1958 when the Army was substantially larger; and if he will re-examine the need for four tiers of staff colleges, each with geographically separate faiclities.

    The overall size of the Army is not the only factor determining the number of staff officers we need to train. Since 1958 the Army has reduced in numbers, as has the requirement for officers in field force headquarters, but equipments used have increased in sophistication, necessitating an increase in the number of technical staff appointments. In addition, we have increased the number of foreign students who attend the Army staff course: this is of benefit to the whole course, which in total numbers remains the same as in 1958.As stated in the recent White Paper, Cmnd 8288, paragraph 41, we are seeking economies in the training organisation. I do not wish to prejudge the outcome of current studies.

    Generals And Admirals (Numbers)

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence what assessment he has made of the reasons why the United Kingdom Forces have a higher proportion of generals and admirals than that occurring in the forces of any of the United Kingdom 's allies; and if he will take steps to reduce these numbers.

    Comparisons between the Armed Forces of our allies are not always relevant or helpful as the various forces are organised in different ways to carry out different tasks. Over the last 30 years there has been a steady reduction in the number of officers in the United Kingdom Armed Forces holding two-star or more senior rank; the need for all such posts is reviewed regularly.

    Armed Forces (Sports Sponsorship)

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence, in the light of the sponsorship by Messrs. Watney Mann & Truman, the brewers, of sporting events for the Armed Forces, if he will make it a rule that orders and contracts from his Department are not awarded to firms which undertake the sponsoring of sporting events in order to ensure that such sponsorship does not achieve preferential treatment.

    Arrangements are made to ensure that firms offering commercial sponsorship to the Armed Forces are not favoured on that account in the award of central contracts by the Ministry of Defence.

    Royal Aeronautical Establishments

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence what is the present status of the Royal Aeronautical Establishment, Bedford, and the Royal Aeronautical Establishment, Cardington; how much land is occupied by his Department at each site; and what is the number of staff engaged including both Royal Air Force and industrial.

    The Royal aircraft establishments at Bedford and Cardington are outstations of the Royal aircraft establishment at Farnborough and come under the direct control and management of the Director, RAE.RAE Bedford covers an area of 2,190 acres and employs just over 1,200 staff, including about 750 industrial staff and 30 RAF personnel. The RAE occupies 140 acres at Cardington and employs about 40 civilian staff, nearly all of whom are in the industrial grades. About 14 RAF personnel are also employed on RAE work at Cardington.

    Torpoint Shore Establishments

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence if he will state the anticipated detailed effects that the changes for the future of the Royal Navy will have on the shore establishments of HMS "Fisgard" and HMS "Raleigh", Torpoint with specific regard to the number of recruits under training and number of personnel employed, both Service and civilian; and if he will make a statement.

    The rundown of RN numbers will result in the closure and scaling down of some RN training and shore personnel establishments over a period of years. Before decisions affecting individual establishments can be made it will be necessary to determine the most appropriate and cost-effective shore organisation and disposition overall for the reshaped Fleet. This will be a complex exercise and will take time, but decisions will be announced as soon as possible.

    Standby Squadron

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence where the standby squadron will be moved to after the closure of Chatham.

    No decision has yet been taken on the future location of the standby squadron.

    Fleet Auxiliary Service

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence whether the six landing ships logistic are to be retained in the Royal Navy Fleet Auxiliary Service.

    Our future requirements for landing ships logistic is one of the issues for further study in the follow-on work flowing from the conclusions announced in Cmnd 8288.

    Territorial Army

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence when the present provision for training days for the Territorial Army was reduced to 38 a year; what it was before the reduction; and when it is to be increased to 42.

    Financial provision for Territorial Army man training days is not based on a theoretical entitlement but on previous average levels of usage across the Territorial Army. In 1979–80 this was 38 days for independent units, in 1980–81 37 days. The 1981–82 provision does not therefore represent a cut against actual usage levels but, in order to contain expenditure on the defence budget, it was necessary to ensure that these levels were not exceeded and restrictions were therefore imposed. It is planned to provide for an average of 42 days for the independent units beginning in 1982–83, although we have yet to finalise the details of how these days can best be allocated to the Territorial Army to ensure their most efficient use.

    Nimrod Bases

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence what surface-to-air missile defences exist at the Nimrod bases of Kinloss and St. Mawgan; how many miles each of these bases is from the nearest peace-time front line fighter base; and what is being done to improve the air defence of the two Nimrod bases.

    It is not in the public interest to give the detailed information requested by my hon. Friend. My right hon. Friend the Secretary of State for Defence in his statement of 25 June explained that we are planning further improvements to the defence of the United Kingdom base. Improvements to the air defence of the two Nimrod bases are being considered as part of this.

    Royal Navy (Recruitment)

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence what has been the recent rate of annual recruitment into the Royal Navy; and what will be the future rate having regard to the reduction of between 8,000 and 10,000 personnel by 1986.

    The total number of officers and ratings entering the Royal Navy over the last three years was as follows:

    1978–796,000
    1979–807,700
    1980–818,100
    Reductions in Royal Navy numbers by 1986 will as far as possible be made through natural wastage and control of recruitment rates. Precisely how far recruiting is adjusted will depend on a number of factors, in particular retention rates.

    Defence Review (Dockyards)

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence what will be the total reduction in dockyard load in percentage terms as a result of the changes made by the defence review.

    The dockyard load, which includes support of fleet and civil establishments, as well as ships, will be about one-third less in three years' time than that forecast before the defence review.

    Anti-Submarine Helicopters

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence whether he has any plans to experiment with the operation of anti-submarine helicopters from merchant ships

    We take a close interest in the USN project ARAPAHO which seeks to use commercial container ships to deploy ASW helicopters, and possibly also VSTOL aicraft. Prototype work is proceeding in the United States and we hope to participate in sea trials in due course.

    North Atlantic Treaty Organisation (Ships)

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence whether he considers that any other North Atlantic Treaty Organisation country will be able to supply additional ships to North Atlantic Treaty Organisation forces to compensate for the reduction in the strength of the Royal Navy.

    We intend to consult our allies fully about our plans through the process of NATO's annual force planning review. Decisions about the deployment of their forces are a matter for them. My right hon. Friend the Secretary of State for Defence has already met his American and German counterparts and the secretary-general of NATO to explain and discuss our conclusions.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence what will be the reduction in the number of destroyers and frigates declared to the North Atlantic Treaty Organisation at a readiness level above that of being in the standby squadron as a result of the recent defence review.

    As my right hon. Friend the Secretary of State for Defence indicated recently in the House, we shall seek to sustain future destroyer and frigate force levels at about 50 vessels compared with the 59 currently allocated to NATO. It is not our usual practice to publish details of the readiness state of warships.

    Frigates (Service Life)

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence what has been regarded as the normal service life for a frigate; and after how many years they will normally be given a major refit.

    There is no general rule, but planned service lives for the majority of frigates have ranged broadly between 18 and 24 years depending on their design. Major refits have usually taken place after about nine to 12 years of life. I would, however, refer my hon. Friend to our intention, expressed in Cmnd. 8288, to break away from the practice of costly mid-life modernisation.

    Warship Building

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence whether he intends that the new building programme envisaged in Cmnd. 8288 will be sufficient to maintain the number of destroyers and frigates at a figure of about 50 after 1986.

    We plan to take the necessary steps, including further shipbuilding orders as required, to sustain a force level of about 50 destroyers and frigates.

    Nuclear Submarines

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence what has been the interval in months between the ordering of each of the last six nuclear attack submarines including the order now being placed.

    The intervals between the order dates of the last six nuclear powered fleet submarines have been as follows:

    SSNmonths
    11–1239
    12–1316
    13–1410
    14–1512
    15–1623

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence how many additional nuclear attack submarines will have to be ordered to make up the fleet of 17 referred to in Cmnd. 8288.

    As my right hon. Friend the Secretary of State explained to the right hon. Member for Plymouth, Devonport (Dr. Owen) on 25 June, we expect to have 17 nuclear attack submarines in the fleet by 1990. We intend to take the necessary steps to achieve this force level which will include new orders. It is not our usual practice to publish details of our plans for future orders.

    Submarines

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence what is the present total number of submarines in the fleet other than the Polaris boats; and whether it is intended that this total will rise or fall as a result of scrapping and new deliveries.

    Twenty-eight nuclear powered and conventional submarines are currently in the fleet. On present plans overall numbers are likely to remain generally constant, though the fleet will contain a higher proportion of nuclear-powered boats.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence how many new diesel-powered submarines are to be acquired.

    As my right hon. Friend said in the House on 25 June, we shall be proceeding as fast as possible with a new and more effective class of conventional submarine. It is, however, not our practice to forecast so far in advance the total number of ships or submarines of a particular class to be acquired.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence whether the lead ships of the new class of diesel-powered submarine will be built at Barrow and others of the class at Scott Lithgow on the Clyde.

    Under present plans the first of the new class of diesel powered submarines will be built at the Vickers shipyard in Barrow. It is too early to say where further orders might be placed.

    Sea King Helicopters

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence what could perform the role at present performed by Sea King helicopters if a new large anti-submarine helicopter is not acquired to replace them.

    As Cmnd. 8288 indicates, a collaborative programme of work on the replacement of the Sea King helicopter is proceeding. We shall keep developments under review.

    Royal Fleet Auxiliaries

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence what will be the types of the four Royal Fleet Auxiliaries to be withdrawn by 1985.

    Royal Marines

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence what is the present strength of the Royal Marines; and to what extent the strength is to be reduced.

    On 1 June 1981 the trained strength of the Royal Marines was 6,850 and the overall strength, including recruits was 7,900. As to the future, I cannot add to the assurance given by my right hon. Friend the Secretary of State for Defence in the House on 25 June 1981 that we shall maintain the three Royal Marine Commandos.

    Commando Helicopter Squadrons

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence whether it is intended to retain the two Commando assault helicopter squadrons at their present strength; and from what ships they will operate.

    Hms "Fearless" And Hms "Intrepid"

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence what has been the operational role of HMS "Fearless" and HMS "Intrepid"; what is expected to be the cost of the current refit; and what will be used to replace them when they are withdrawn from service.

    HMS "Fearless" and HMS "Intrepid" are amphibious assault ships. The estimated cost of the HMS "Fearless" refit is about £15 million. As indicated in Cmnd. 8288 it had already been decided that these ships would not be replaced when paid off. On present plans they will be phased out when their next refits fall due.

    Marine Commando Brigade

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence to what extent the reduction in the fleet will reduce the capability to provide rapid reinforcement of North Norway with the Marine Commando Brigade; whether the United Kingdom will still undretake to convey the Netherlands marine battalion to that area; and what vessels in future will be used for the transport of the marines.

    As a result of the planned phasing out of specialist amphibious shipping greater reliance will be placed on commercial shipping; this will lead to some loss of flexibility. A contingent from the Royal Netherlands Marine Corps constitutes an integral component of the United Kingdom-Netherlands amphibious force and any new deployment arrangements will apply equally to it.

    Royal Navy (Personnel)

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence how many Royal Navy personnel are at present serving on sea-going ships; what percentage this is of the total strength of the Royal Navy; how many of the 8,000 to 10,000 reduction in manpower will be in sea-going posts; and what will be the percentage of the total strength in such posts after the reduction.

    As at 31 March 1981, some 24,000 officers and men of the Royal Navy were serving in ships and submarines, approaching 40 per cent. of RN strength. The 8,000 to 10,000 reduction in total manpower by 1986 will be achieved partly through the surface fleet contraction, but the greater part of the reduction will be made by cutting down on shore numbers. Detailed manpower requirements are under review; precise percentages are not available at this stage.

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence how many Royal Navy Personnel are at present serving in submarines; and how many will be so serving in 1986.

    As at 31 March 1981, almost 4,000 officers and men were serving in submarines. By 1986 it is estimated that, with the build up of the submarine fleet, this number will rise by over 10 per cent.

    New Warships

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence whether he will give a breakdown by type of the 20 new surface warships referred to in Cmnd. 8288 as being brought into service over the next five years.

    Two Invincible class carriers, seven type 42 destroyers, three type 22 frigates, seven advanced Hunt class mine counter-measures vessels and two offshore patrol vessels; a total of 21 surface ships are under construction at present and expected to be ready for service over the next five years. Three nuclear submarines and a sea bed operations vessel are also under construction. In addition we have announced our decision to order a further nuclear submarine, a type 22 frigate and five patrol craft for service in Hong Kong.

    Nimrod Aircraft

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence what is the cost of the Mark II conversion of a Nimrod; how many Nimrod maritime patrol aircraft are currently in operational service; how many currently are being converted; when the conversions will be complete; and when the full strength of 34 Mark II aircraft will be reached.

    As stated in paragraph 626 of Vol. 1 of the "Statement on the Defence Estimates 1981"—Cmnd 8212-I—the unit cost for conversion of Nimrod MR 1 aircraft to MR 2 standard is £6·5 million at September 1980 prices. It is not our practice to reveal numbers of aircraft in operational service or details of rates of conversion affecting the front line. It is expected that the programme of conversions will be complete by the mid-1980s, but details for the last three aircraft have still to be settled.

    Surface Fleet

    asked the Secretary of State for Defence what would be the additional expenditure which would have been incurred either on an annual basis or over a period of years if the strength of the surface fleet had been maintained.

    It has not been the practice to reveal detailed information about the Department's internal plans and long-term costings.

    Environment

    Housing And Building Improvements

    asked the Secretary of State for the Environment whether he has considered the recommendation by the Association of District Councils for greater spending on housing and building improvements; and if he proposes to take steps to accede to the council's request.

    My right hon. Friend the Secretary of State for the Environment discussed with representatives of the association their views on this matter at a recent meeting of the housing consultative council. The Government have allowed local housing authorities full discretion in the expenditure of their capital allocations and their capital receipts. It is for each authority to pursue its priorities in the light of local circumstances. The Government will be announcing their public expenditure proposals for 1982–83 and subsequent years in due course.

    Water Meters

    asked the Secretary of State for the Environment what is the average cost of purchasing and installing water meters in water authorities in England.

    I regret that the information required is not held centrally. Costs of installing meters vary considerably depending upon the water supply arrangements. Where a property is served by a common supply pipe it may be necessary to provide a separate supply pipe and to excavate and restore roads and pavements.

    The National Water Council in its report, "Charging Households for Water", a copy of which is in the Library, estimated in 1980 that the cost of purchasing rotary piston water meters ranged from £9·87 to £91 excluding VAT and the cost of installing meters internally ranged from £20 to £60; higher figures are probable for external installation.

    Trade Refuse Collections

    asked the Secretary of State for the Environment whether, following the complaints made to him by the president of the National Association of Independent Businessmen, he will now announce his decision on whether he will introduce legislation to discharge local authorities from their legal duties to charge for the collection of trade refuse; and, in the light of the statement of the previous Under-Secretary of State in a letter to the hon. Member for Melton of 29 July 1980, that he hoped an early decision could be reached on any necessary action, he will indicate the reasons for the delay.

    When we receive the advice of the advisory committee on local government audit on the question of charges for the collection of trade refuse we will consider the matter further. In current circumstances we would, of course, need to consider the implications for local authority finances arising from any change in the law on refuse charges.

    Advisory Committee On Local Government Audit

    asked the Secretary of State for the Environment what are the duties of the advisory committee on local government audit; how often it has met since 1 July 1980; what action has ensued as a result of its meetings; and what is its present membership.

    The Committee's terms of reference are:

  • (i) to consider the annual report of the Chief Inspector of Audit and any questions arising from it which are of general public interest or concern, whether in the field of value for money or otherwise; and to make general recommendations to local authorities and to central government as it thinks fit; and
  • (ii) to invite information and submissions on comparative and other value for money studies from local authorities and their associations and from other agencies concerned: and in the light of this and other information to advise on the need for such studies and arrangements for carrying them out.
  • Since 1 July 1980 the committee has met five times; its report on the results of this work is in preparation. The Committee's membership is as follows:Mr. Brian A. Maynard (Chairman)

    • President of the Institute of Chartered Accountants in England and Wales 1977–78. Senior partner in Coopers & Lybrand, Chartered Acountants.

    Mr. Joseph Besserman

    • President of NALGO 1972–73. Member of the West Midlands County Council. Former Secretary of Coventry City Council.

    Mr. David Cobbold

    • Leader of Westminster City Council. Chairman of the London Boroughs' Association General Purposes Committee.

    Mr. Dudley H. Fisher

    • Chairman, Wales Region. British Gas Corporation.

    Sir Duncan Lock

    • Chairman of the Association of District Councils 1974–79.
    • Member of South Buckinghamshire District Council.

    Lord Marshall of Leeds

    • Leader and Chairman of the Finance Committee of Leeds City Council 1967–72.

    Mr. Humphrey Norrington

    • Regional General Manager, Barclays Bank Ltd.

    Mr. Roy E. Shaw

    • Leader of Camden Borough Council. Vice Chairman of the Association of Metropolitan Authorities. Member of the Consultative Council on Local Government Finance.

    Sir Maurice Sutherland

    • Leader of Cleveland County Council.

    The Comptroller and Auditor General, Sir Douglas Henley, also participates fully in meetings of the Committee.

    asked the Secretary of State for the Environment whether, pursuant to the correspondence between the hon. Members for Shipley (Mr. Fox) and for Melton and the replies to questions by the hon. Member for Melton on 30 July 1980, Official Report, c. 745–7, and 18 December 1980, Official Report, c. 438, he will now state (a) on what date the chief inspector of audit submitted his report regarding charges for the collection of trade refuse, (b) when the report was referred to the advisory committee of local government audit, (c) on how many occasions the committee has considered the report and (d) when its conclusions are expected.

    The information is as follows:

    (a and b)29 September 1980;
    (c)five;
    (d)by the autumn.

    Access Officers

    asked the Secretary of State for the Environment how many of (a) the county councils and (b) the district councils in England have designated access officers.

    Management Information System For Ministers

    asked the Secretary of State for the Environment whether he will publish the most recent statements prepared for his management information system for Ministers, MINIS.

    Yes. I have today placed copies of the statements of MINIS in the Library of the House and copies are available for purchase from my Department. We shall begin work in the autumn on the third round to cover the period up to March 1983 and I would hope to publish this before March 1982.The second run of MINIS has fully confirmed the value of management systems of this kind for the public sector. I am concerned that the other public sector organisations for which I am responsible should subject themselves to similar disciplines. As a first step I have recently introduced the publication of quarterly manpower returns and the most recent figures are also published today. Copies have been placed in the Library. I now propose to discuss with these organisations the introduction of management techniques similar to those I am using in the Department and which are already in existence in the Countryside Commission.

    Council Dwellings (Sale)

    asked the Secretary of State for the Environment if he will list in the Official Report the capital receipts of each of the housing authorities in England from the sale of council dwellings during the financial year 1980–81.

    [pursuant to his reply, 3 June 1981, c. 378]: The information on capital receipts from sales of dwellings has now been received from nearly all authorities in respect of the financial year 1980–81 and I have placed a copy of the information received in the Library.

    Rates (Walsall)

    asked the Secretary of State for the Environment by how much Walsall council would have to increase rates in 1981–82 to compensate for the reduction from the previous year in the block allocation or other grants from central Government.

    [pursuant to his reply, 30 June 1981]: The new block grant system seeks to establish a fair assessment of how much grant each local authority needs in addition to its own local rateable resources in order to provide an equivalent level of service. It is necessary for all local authorities to make all possible economies and indeed the tough settlement has meant that all authorities have effectively suffered a loss of grant. Nevertheless, many authorities have still been able to avoid any significant increase in their rates. I therefore do not accept that a reduction in grant levels automatically leads to any equivalent increase in rate poundages.